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Anonymous's War on Trump Described as Successful and Disastrous (techinsider.io)
CitizensForTrump.com and the Trump Hotel Collection site reportedly went offline Friday, seeming to confirm threats made by the hacktivist collective Anonymous. But TechInsider is reporting that "The 'total war' that Anonymous declared earlier this month against Donald Trump has devolved into a war among hackers fighting within the group and pro-Trump supporters who are trolling them within their chat rooms." They describe two warring factions within the group's anti-Trump movement, also quoting CloudFlare's CEO as saying denial of service attacks "are sort of the functional equivalent of a caveman with a club." But while Trump has warned that law enforcement officials are pursuing the attackers, one Anonymous member unequivocally announced that still more attacks were planned. "This is NOT the last time you hear of this operation. We will be watching, and will act when the time is right."
As a run off the mill left-wing liberal, I'd say that slimy sneaky bastard Ted Cruz is by far more evil than Donald Trump. And so think most established Republicans.
Perhaps these anonymous script kiddies should have been thinking about that a bit more. Not that I appreciate their actions anyway, just saying...
Thanks, anonymous. I was worried that Trump wasn't getting enough media attention; I almost started remembering there are other candidates.
Pro Trump, Anti Trump, Trump Trump, Trump? Trump! TRUMP TRUMP TRUPM TRUPMUTRPRATRRUEMMP
"Mommy, I don't like what that man said. Tell him to shut up." "There, there. No need to cry. Momma's gonna DOS him into silence."
I can't imagine what they could possibly do to derail Trump's campaign. Trump is not cowed by divulging his affairs - he's been a "reality" TV star, and his loud mouth has already exposed all manner of nastiness without derailing the campaign already. His websites are just that - websites. He likely doesn't rely on them either for getting out his message (the MSM is doing a fine job already) or for his business dealings, so shutting them down is useless.
His supporters don't support him because he's a high-and-mighty politician of impeccable ideology. They support him because that's precisely what he isn't. There's simply nothing that Anonymous can do to dissuade Trump's followers from following. And everyone else who might be swayed by anything they uncover is already swayed by the ranting that has already come out of Trump's mouth. I just don't see anywhere they can go from here.
"I a weak-minded hypersensitive fool who can't handle what you're saying so I need to shut you up!"
All this "disrupt the process" behaviour is ridiculous.
It started with people at rallies shouting Trump down while he was trying to speak.
What's the point of that? You are so incensed and against that one candidate that you don't want the democratic process to happen?
This goes on for awhile, then protesters come to rallies and get manhandled by the supporters who actually want to listen to what he says.
Next, protesters come to rallies dressed as KKK members and are surprised when they get beat down?
Recently, a 15yo girl protester punched a supporter while he was turning away, got pepper sprayed for doing that... and tried to file sexual assault charges against him? (He was only exonerated because the incident was caught by security camera. And if it *hadn't*, that man's life would be completely ruined with no chance of redemption.)
Anonymous is so against Trump that they want to sabotage the democratic process by taking down his websites?
Elites are so against Trump that they are going against their "support the candidate, whoever he is" pledge? Rubio does not give up his delegates, even though he's out of the race? Delegates are allowed to be "faithless" and vote for whomever? Make an 8-state rule to exclude Ron Paul, but change it to allow Cruz in?
(Trump gets fed up with all of this, decides that if everyone else is breaking the pledge that he can also... and of course the media only reports that Trump broke his promise. Also, breaking that promise loses him delegates, but of course no one else loses *their* delegates for doing the same thing.)
I honestly think that if Trump has a clear majority of support (which seems likely) and doesn't get the nomination, through skulduggery (which is also likely) that there will be riots.
We're often told "it's our fault, we voted for him". If we actually vote for someone and he *doesn't* get in, it is completely rational and just to set fire to the process.
Really. This whole thing is ridiculous.
will work out similar to the War on Drugs/Poverty/etc. it won't.
Why would it be? Islam isn't a race. Even though I'm an atheist, it bugs the shit out of me that ultra liberals will bash Christians just for being Christians, but if you bash a Muslim even if they do their backwards third world shit (i.e. women in burkas) then you get an earful from ultra liberals about how it's racist.
I think their agenda is this:
http://imgur.com/j95hMhn
People overlook the fact that many of the muslims are racist.
"Why would it be? Islam isn't a race"
Whenever a terrorist atrocity occurs, we are piously lectured to about not judging all Muslims by a small minority of terrorist radicals. Yet whenever some nutbar shoots up a school, the same pious lecturers claim he represents all gun owners.
...that Anonymous has finished dismantling ISIS, as they asserted they would do (before their Trump project)?
Where I live, the Muslims are definitely a lot more racist and hostile than the rest of the population, even to the point where a Muslim kid wanting to get a good education is looked down upon by the rest of his community. Instead he's told he should make a living by crime (carefully only picking non-Muslim targets) or by exploiting the welfare system.
How lame can you get. What a bunch of simple, skill-less cowards.
So, once again the Great Nerd Army of the Internet has been defeated. Beaten. Routed. Vanquished. Wiped the floor with. Humiliated. Curbsomped. Brown-swirlied.
Seriously, did anybody seriosly think it would go any different?
Anony-mouse has been defeated and crapped upon in each and every foolish endeavour it set itself up to, when they didn't simply shit their pants and give up (like that "big war" against the Zeta cartels. So tell me, anony-mice, did you defeated ISIS? Hm, no. Though you claimed you had "foiled attacks". It turned out that was false and some sad nerdo in Italy was arrested and began cooperating before he had even been accused of anything. Anony-mice always do that: they talk. A lot. They cry. A lot. I bet they also need a new pair of pants.
Nerds. Always losers. Always. You know, we wouldn't be laughing so hard at you if you weren't being that foolish. When are you going to grow up? Yes, I know flipping burgers is not that fabulous tech job that would have made you "our boss" a few years after high school, but pretending you're some brave cyber-warrior fighting against global oppression from behind your LCD monitor is not going to make up for it. Tomorrow you will still have a shitty job. And the day after tomorrow you will still have a shitty job. And this is going to go on day after day after day until you die or retire. It's not going to get better. Silly fantasies aren't going to change that. And getting in trouble with the law will mean you will lose even that shitty job.
Grow up. Get over yourselves. You're losers. Deal with it.
When they first started Anonymous seemed really cool, fighting oppressive regimes etc.
What happened to turn them into a bunch of whiny asshats that supress free speech ad are only capapble of lame skript kiddy DDOS attacks?
Scott Adams had an interesting take on extremism.
If you frame the argument as a disease it becomes non-prejudicial. Describe extremism as a disease, note that there are hotspots of this disease in specific locations of the world, and what is a common-sense reaction?
Imagine that the tiny nation of Elbonia suffers a Zombie Virus outbreak. Luckily, the virus does not spread easily, but prolonged personal contact with an infected zombie increases the odds of transmission. Once infected, the Elbonian becomes a zombie killer. As it turns out, most people are immune to the virus. Over 99% of the public have no risk of catching it. But 1% is far too many zombie killers.
For starters, they would quarantine the entire nation of Elbonia to limit the damage. This is obviously unfair to all uninfected Elbonians but it is also the only practical way to protect the rest of the world. Once the quarantine is in place, the professionals can get to work on a cure.
The problem is, of course, the emotional baggage. If someone tries to talk logically about certain subjects, they can be shouted down simply by being called bad names.
This is how "extreme rhetoric" has become the new clickbait, and how people like Anonymous take it upon themselves to save the world from Trump. This is how a 15yo girl can accuse a Trump supporter of molesting her at a rally, when the video showed no such action.
It's the emotional baggage. People hear "racist" or whatever, close their minds, and let their outrage have free reign.
They believe they are working for the greater good.
That's funny. Most of the time I see people calling for measures to prevent said nutbars from getting access to guns. That, of course, is seen as some heinous violation of people's rights deserving of rabidly shouting down.
The office of the president can exert power without the compliance of congress in the following areas:
1) Foreign policy
2) Arbitrary short term military action; "commander in chief" is not just a meaningless phrase
3) Executive orders (which is a pretty broad canvas to paint on...)
All of the above are potential sources of long term consequences in the areas of military action, social change, international trade and relations.
Having said that, I am very confident that no Republican of any stripe can win the presidency this time around. This is due to the torpedo-at-the-waterline that has been, and continues to be, Trump's effect on the Republican party. I see concern about presidential action by Republicans like Cruz and pseudo-Republicans such as Trump as something that be be safely deferred until the Republicans can rebuild their brand from the mess they've made out of it the last six years or so. I also suspect that will take them quite a while.
I do worry about having Clinton in there; she's Trump-lite as far as I'm concerned. It seems pretty clear from the media bias and the disruption of the Republican party's ability to be effective that it will be Clinton we end up with; the American public has a consistent history of going with what the media tells them. For a while, I nursed some hope that the ability to do one's own research becoming available to most via the Internet would change this, but I have seen very few such signs, and it's been around long enough that I think they would have been easily obvious by now if they were actually there.
Sanders still has a chance; but the odds are, at the very least, quite seriously stacked against him.
I'm most interested in the next iteration of congressional elections. Last time around, voter satisfaction was 14%, and re-election rates were 94%. Recent polling puts satisfaction with congress at this point even lower at 11%; I keep asking myself if that might be enough to make people actually realize that the problem is congress in general, and not "the other representatives in congress." I'd like to think so, but last election's set of numbers doesn't make me optimistic about it at all.
Interesting times, anyway.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Anonymous isn't a "real group," the same way that punk rock or heavy metal aren't real groups.
There's no official requirements, formal entry or leadership. But if Hillary or Donald came out tomorrow claiming to be "punk rock," you'd call bullshit.
As for their agenda, they mostly stand for freedom of information and crass humor. At least ... they used to. I've no idea what's been going on recently.
I'm honestly surprised that they didn't go after Cruz and Rubio for their recent anti- net neutrality stance. That used to be the thing that got the anons riled up enough to start drawing dicks on websites.
This signature is false.
For most people, even if they identify with a religion, it's not a huge part of their lives. They mostly just want to live their lives and not have to worry about exploding on any given day. Or getting shot. Those hopes are easily dashed by a tiny percentage of assholes. Occasionally it's the assholes in power, sometimes it's just other assholes. Doesn't matter if the assholes are fundamentalist Muslims, fundamentalist Christians or the Chicago city council. What the people need is a clear identification of the assholes causing their misery. Once they realize the assholes are the source of all the shit they have to deal with on a daily basis, I'm sure they'd be happy to fuck those assholes on their own. Leastwise, I like to think so.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Yes, just like people who want the country protected from illegal immigrant leechers and criminals are seen as racists.
Hmm.. meanwhile, in the rest of the world, it's islam.
Of course, the real issue is certain brands of irrational belief being defended or attacked by other brands of irrational ideology.
How do you like them apples?
We don't. At this point, most of us are tired of all organized religions, but radical Islam is by far the greatest threat to the West, so it must be destroyed first.
Uh, really?
It sounds like you're either speaking about a specific person who's a nutcase or you're referring to some weirdass invention which doesn't actually exist en masse.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Anything with the word "Anonymous" in the title can be directly translated to "FBI/CIA"
Sabu ratted out his comrades in order for a plea deal with the FBI - In exchange the FBI/CIA now own anonymous.
You'll notice a lot more politically motivated retarded shit from "FBI Anonymous now", like some retarded war on ISIS shit, and retarded war on Trump shit.
The real problem here is outlets like Slashdot and the mainstream media still pretend Anonymous is still the old Anonymous, when they know damn well that organization has been infiltrated and revamped to fit FBI/CIA agendas
They still couldn't hack their way into 127.0.0.1.
Probably not. I bet, however, that they'd be able to DOS it quite effectively.
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Well, since it's purportedly an anarchist disorganization, I guess it would have to be anti-democracy. (I'm assuming that you made a typo.) That's not a real argument, however, as we don't have a democracy. We purportedly have a representative Republic. Actually, that's pretty true, you just need to figure out who is being represented.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Fascinating piece, and it's interesting to watch both the authoritarian faction within Anonymous and the Libertarian faction, which I would consider the "historical anonymous," that apparently still believes in truth without ideology. The Sanders supporting Anonymous vs. the Trump supporting Anonymous, to put it another way. And this incredible and noteable fight that's been raging within the group for the last five years. It seems so far, that neither side has been able to claim victory, and both sides keep asserting that this is the "fake anonymous" at work.
I find myself supporting the more traditional Anonymous, as these things go.
But still an interesting battle, nevertheless.
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If cartoonists etc aren't up to the task, why are you?
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What kind of a fucking stupid thing to claim, that an undefined "group" of individuals who make random unrelated statements under the title of "anonymous" have any coherent position on any issue, that there is any normative behaviour typical to all those who claim the moniker, and that they have collectively and decidedly "turned into a bunch of whiny asshats".
You're more a tool than any I've seen on slashdot for a long time.
Of course there are asshats in "anonymous". There are all sorts of people. They have no collective purpose. They do not have a council. They are not organised.
For all intents and purposes, "they" do not exist (except as individuals), and you are a troll for attempting to incite disgust or shame or ridicule at "those rebels".
Now fucking stop with the strawman arguments. Go have a nice wank by yourself in the corner and stop bothering the adults.
Oh, I forgot, this is slashdot, childish ignorant noise scores 5+ Insightful on a regular basis...
I gotta say, this election season is bringing the american chickens out on display more than usual. The whole system, process, finance, "results" - the whole fucking circus is going into overdrive, and you all seem so shocked that it's showing itself as a circus.
How can you all be so "shocked" at Trump, when you put the Gipper to the wheel for 2 terms, and he was a FUCKING COWBOY ACTOR ?
You're all clowns in your own little drama, most of you too blind to see that you're reading comic books instead of actually looking at the real world around you.
The break-up of the Disunited States of the Americas is long overdue ...
This sort of abuse is what causes certain freedoms on the Internet to be curtailed or lost altogether.
I'm no Trump fan but DDOS site is just stupid. It's the juvenile equivalent of pulling a girls hair. Pathetic. Embarrassingly sad. That's the best they can do??
Tell you what, let's compromise: how about we ban guns and Muslims?
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
Don't assume that I'm defending Christians, because I'm not. What irks me is that if you speak against Islam, you get shouted down, whereas speaking against Christianity is perfectly acceptable. Take this for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Yet the ones who walked off the stage about a very mild remark about Islam routinely bash Christians.
I sense a strong reality distortion field in your post. Bernie is simply one of the remaining professional politicians with a consistent track record. He's fighting for the same goals since the early 70s and has decided to run for President because this is essentially his last chance - he'll be too old next time, given that most presidents are re-elected for a second term. He doesn't attack Hillary on certain points, because he's a man of principles who respects his adversaries. He has always been like that. Look at old speeches and you'll see. Since he's against big money and for the middle class, he has gained some support, but it was also clear from the start that he'd never get nominated. And he won't. Sorry to spoil your tinfoil hat dream, but, realistically speaking, it is really damn hard to find a big conspiracy here. He's actually a big nuisance for Hillary.
the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Please, show me where that says anything about restricting access to guns, or making guns harder to own. If you fail to understand basic english, perhaps you shouldn't be pushing for new laws.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Whereas Christians have earned their reputation for being against evolution or in thinking the Earth is 6k years old because they have noisily fought those battles.
You mean like the pope coming out and supporting evolution? You yourself are talking a very small percentage of Christians and labeling all Christians with the same title. It is just as bigoted.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Denis Leary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?