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Canadian Startup Uses Trump to Lure Tech Workers (siliconbeat.com)
An anonymous reader writes: A Canadian startup "is using Republican front-runner Donald Trump in its latest campaign to recruit tech talent," reports Silicon Beat. The company's site claims that 31% of Americans they'd surveyed would consider moving to Canada if Trump were elected President. "Now, while we don't think Americans will actually move en masse to Canada if the election doesn't go their way, we do want to extend an offer. Because it's the polite, Canadian thing to do." The Washington Post reported a surge in Google searches in March for "how can I move to Canada," actually slowing down the Canadian government's immigration web site.
Meanwhile, a coalition of Canadian mayors is visiting California this week to promote Canada's booming technology sector. Toronto's mayor told Bloomberg, "The embracing of diversity as opposed to it being some sort of political issue is a huge advantage we have."
New Zealand might be a better idea... or some other place in a different hemisphere
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He can't do any worse then idiot we have in office atm.
92% of startups fail in the first 3 years. Can a startup afford to install a safe space around every desk before the next election cycle.
Honestly, the hysteria from these anti-Trump people is hilarious. They're one chalk scribbled MAGA away from having a nervous breakdown.
I wish the survey was more specifically polling tech workers, since most tech workers that I've talked to could care less which moron gets elected president. Sure we debate it, but it's insignificant compared to tech news. The beauty of working in tech is that we do more to affect positive change more than any politician could ever hope to, so it's harder to get disillusioned.
Sure, it's easy to say they would take the tech workers. But would Canada gladly take the 10 million illegal immigrants who may not be as skilled? Those are the ones who really want to flee Trump.
when we need them??
New Zealand might be a better idea... or some other place in a different hemisphere
That won't help, because like... the atmospheres of the two hemispheres are connected.
You need to go someplace where that Trump can't affect you.
I don't think that's possible. I mean, the sea will be poisoned, the air will burn, famine and pestilence will be everywhere... it'll just be a mess.
You might try that apocalypse condo in Kansas, and see if you can wait things out.
This assumes, of course, that Earth systems can recover and there will be a future time when you can walk outdoors alone and unaided. Then again, there will probably be a lot of others who had to turn to feral cannibalism to survive.
It doesn't look good for you, even the Earth's microorganisms are starting to wonder whether they will survive.
You can avoid a lot of needless pain and suffering if you think things through.
You might ask yourself the question: do you *really* want to live in a world post-Trump?
I believe Trump is just setting a negociation position toward South Korea and Japan about the military support from USA which cost all American citizen a significant amount of their revenues each year. Nothing has been done yet. What he says often is military support offered by USA everywhere in the world is costly and not rewarded by beneficiaries to its real value. That's why he also suggests to stop supporting NATO and many other operations around the world.
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Trump is unpopular and will probably lose delegates on subsequent votes rather than gain them. Trump is unlikely to be the Republican nominee.
If Trump has the vast majority of support from primary voters, and doesn't get the nomination due to skulduggery, there will be rioting in the streets.
You say he's unpopular, but only to the 1%ers.
A very large, very scary crowd of people want to see him run.
Be afraid of changing the rules, or of having the appearance of a non-voting process.
Be very afraid.
claims that 31% of Americans they'd surveyed would consider moving to Canada if Foo were elected President.
As has been said every 4 years for the last few decades.
The loss of backbone was a purely American thing. You bailed out the banks because you got scared, and now Wall Street is crazier than ever. Iceland didn't blink.
Ditto with your reps voting to invade Iraq. No backbone - they were scared and would do anything rather than think.
These policies didn't inflict pain on a small number of people for the greater good - quite the opposite.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I have a hard time believing sonicmerlin is, in fact, your real name.
If you think that's going to happen, you're dreaming. There are very few english quebecers who don't also speak french - and the ones who don't are mostly racist assholes.
And most of the french also speak english.
So c'est quoi ton calice de probleme, tabernac?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
To be fair the talk of moving is usually based on what the politician claims he/she is going to do once he/she gets elected.
Since it turns out politicians pretty much never does what they promised there is no actual need to move.
If you think this then you need to spend ten minutes thinking about various things Trump has said and imagining what happens if he tries to implement any of them or follow through on what they imply. If you really think that Trump can't do much damage, that says more about you than it says about the situation or Trump.
Canada won't cut it, if Trump is elected I'll consider starting a new life in the off-world colonies Do you think Mars will be far enough away, or should I start looking for places off the shoulder of Orion, or maybe the Tannhauser gate?
Yes! Let's turn the US military into a global protection racket! Who cares about global security and preserving the Long Peace when we could be wetting our beaks!
I can hear it now, in a particularly obnoxious Brooklyn accent: "You gotta real nice country here, South Korea, it'd be a shame if something happened to it."
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
You're lost deep inside a social bubble if you truly think that "the overwhelming majority of the tech community" is behind Trump.
Trump says he will build a wall on our southern border and enforce our immigration laws.
Trump says he will enforce the H1B program in the way it was intended instead of allowing foreign workers to take American jobs.
Trump says he will halt immigration of Islamists until we can be sure they are not radicalized.
Trump says he will allow health insurance companies to compete across state lines and take other measures to make health care affordable.
Trump says he will renegotiate trade pacts that do not favor the United States.
Trump says he will reform the VA and ensure our vets get the care they were promised.
Maybe you can actually post some more things he said about what he is going to do. Those seem to be the main things that I've heard. Not sure what is so scary about any of that.
This election for me is about the rule of law. Either we are a country where everyone is equal under the law and laws have to be obeyed, or we are not. It's as simple as that. All the talk about Trump being a fascist is way off base. Trump doesn't have a fascist organization behind him. He's got no brown shirts or brigades, it's just the democratic process and some people reckoning that at least he might do some of things he has promised.
If nothing else, a Trump presidency would shake up the Washington first virus that has infected both parties.
Not to mention we here in Canada have a relatively functional political system and we lack batshit crazy evangelical Christian politicians who foam at the mouth every time they hear the words "same-sex marriage". That's worth the price of admission.
Yes, coming down to California to try and recruit for cold weather is tricky. They may get more luck in Minnesota.
The job of the US military is NOT global security.
Billionaire's mindset? Draft Bloomberg or Buffet.
With Trump what you get is an entitled misogynist brat mindset. His entire political process is to listen to angry people and then sell them a fantasist's parody solution to their fears; a wall to keep out the invaders, locking down the internet, torture as retribution..l
Trump wants America to be his trophy wife. He's going to make you so happy, baby. It's going to be beautiful. You're going to be so rich. Everyone will fear us. It's just you and him against the world. What do you mean, you don't want to have sex with him? He's got no problem there, he guarantees it. If you don't want to have sex with him you must be disgusting, a terrible human. He wishes someone would punch you in the mouth, seriously. He'll pay the legal fees.
Good thing too - because we're REALLY bad at it. Since out disastrous response to 9/11 the US is often rated as the greatest destabilizing force on the planet.
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It doesnt matter if sortable wants to hire US or foreign citizens, and sortable knows it. What sortable is doing is casting their net for canadian employees using the widest outlets: American media.
the fact is that while you may have qualified to immigrate to canada in the past, after the 2008 economic collapse most of canadas immigration schedules for knowledge workers changed substantially. This was partly done by conservative leaders in canada at the behest of US leaders to prevent a potentially fatal brain-drain from the US. it was also partly done as a way to shore up domestic employment numbers after the Governor General prorogued the house of commons. You see, once Steven Harper let the cat out of the bag and posted record Canadian economic losses, conservative party leaders got an easy pass to clip immigration law in the hopes of shoring up harpers PM confidence after what was widely seen as a narrow miss to send him back to his constituency.
Good people go to bed earlier.
See, this is the problem with people on the authoritarian Left. At no point did I ever say that you were defective for having a view I disagree with. And yet, you refuse to offer me the same courtesy. You assume that your view is the absolute correct one, and that anyone who disagrees with you is either defective mentally, evil, or some other arbitrary defective thing you can think of. It's straight out of the handbook, which, incidentally, I've read. But it isn't have you have an honest conversation, friend. There can be no meaningful discussion if we can't agree that we're equals.
Take care.
And good luck.
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If Donald Trump had taken the million dollars he was give by his father and just invested it in a S&P index fund, he'd be worth $10,000,000,000 more than he is right now. Yes, when you're business has underperformed the stock market over a 30 year period by that much, you are a shitty business man.
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You're not going to get very many good workers that don't like Trump.
It's been my observation that those who work hardest, and have the most skill either don't care about politics at all, or they like Trump.
I disagree strongly, in fact from what I've seen the most fervent supporters of Trump are the people who haven't had the professional success they expect and are looking for somewhere to put the blame.
Also, he has a softer stance on intellectual property restrictions than Obama (or any democrat for that matter) does, which is important to both open source and freedom of speech. He did come out on the wrong side of the encryption debate, but in his defence... it's a complicated topic.
Trump is pushing some kind of authoritarian nationalism, he's repeatedly talked about changing liable laws so he could sue people who criticize him and threatening the media. He'd be a disaster for free speech.
He's also called for less fraud, waste, and abuse in government, which means more and better software for the plebs like us that write the stuff. And that means more work.
He built his career off of crony capitalism, why do you suddenly expect him to clean up the system that kept him rich?
The wall he's proposing is also employment positive for programmers, nerds, and IT, as is Keystone XL, which he's in favor of.
Ehhhh, that's some very dubious reasoning. You claim any big project is a boon for programmers through secondary benefits, yet when it comes to cheap labour coming in and injecting extra wealth into the economy it's suddenly a disaster.
I understand the populist Left, but they have yet to propose anything that benefits me as a common programmer and knowledge worker personally. Trump has proposed a dozen unrelated things that do. And I think the overwhelming majority of the tech community is smart enough to see that.
With the industry the way it exists today, my honest feeling is that less domestic competition from people who would rather go to Canada, than stick it out is a good thing.
For someone criticizing the populist left you have a remarkably populist anti-capitalist understanding of economics.
The standard understanding is that more workers, more competition, means more wealth in general. There can be some specific losers when you open markets, in this case it might be American programmers. But for the US as a whole it's a benefit.
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Since the jobs would move away why not follow them?
Vote Trump - for the Atlantic City Casino Boss who cares. Yeah right.
So c'est quoi ton calice de probleme, tabernac?
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This is true and also a concern - it's one of the reasons I opened the thread - I'm off to bed soon. But, yes...
Or, rather, no... No, I don't think that this poll is accurate. Trump actually has a number of proponents in the IT industry. They're in that camp for varied reasons but they exist and I'm pretty sure that the numbers are higher than this poll would have you believe. I'm also a bit squirrelly about the number that they have come up with.
In this thread, we'll find more than 14 people who SUPPORT Trump, never mind being willing to move to Canada. I'm too lazy to look but I bet this survey was written to get one type of response, to be manipulated, or to get partial results.
"How likely are you to be willing to emigrate to Canada if Trump is elected president:
0 --- 1 --- 2 --- 3 --- 4 --- 5
With zero meaning that there's no possible way they're going to move to Canada to 5 being very likely to seek a visa.
Now, anybody who answered a number greater than zero is counted in this poll and that's where they got the 84% from - I suspect. It's standard practice. It's also a trick question - few people want to answer in a negative fashion. People are gullible and swallow it all the time. They may also take results from one question and add them in with the first - again being careful about verbiage.
If you give me a few days and a bunch of resources, I could poll the average American and come back with "Stalin was a great man - according to 87% of people in the garments industry."
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
I really don't think Trump will be as bad as people seem to think. That's not a terribly high barrier to cross, however. I don't think he's quite the monster that everyone wants to claim he is.
No, I'm not voting for Trump. I just don't think he's Hitler.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Suits me and I suspect a lot of other Americans as well. I suspect that people would find that there are many things worse than a US military base nearby. Not unlike how Vieques in Puerto Rico complained *a lot* but then was sad when the US Navy closed the base.
Instead, advertise that water just falls out of the sky in Canada, year round. Which physical state that water is in may vary.
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You're not going to get very many good workers that don't like Trump.
It's been my observation that those who work hardest, and have the most skill either don't care about politics at all, or they like Trump
I disagree strongly, in fact from what I've seen the most fervent supporters of Trump are the people who haven't had the professional success they expect and are looking for somewhere to put the blame
Normally I do not like to disclose whom I support, except this time
I am for Donald J. Trump
Many of the successful old timers, the compatriots in the tech fields, are supporting Trump as well
You've got nothin' in comparing to us, kid - neither in professional sense, nor the experience we've gotten, nor the wealth we've accumulate
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He's also called for less fraud, waste, and abuse in government,
You believe that? I mean sure it's a lovely platitude because who isn't against fraud, waste and abuse? The thing is though it's an incredibly difficult, nuanced problem to deal with and without actually a real, firm, detailed plan on how to begin tackling it, such a platitude is not worth the air it's exhaled in.
The government it large, very large. This is inevitable and also not fixable because the country is large. Sure it can grow and shrink, but it is always going to be big. Big organisations have waste, or at least the appearance of waste. Anyone who's dealt with a large company, especially as a small contractor where you get the unpolished view into the guts of legal and purchasing, not the carefully curated customer service view will know that.
They are wildly, horrifyingly, insanely inefficient. Anyone who thinks otherwise has frankly had little to to with large companies, and anyone who thinks the governent should be better than that might as well wish for unicorns.
The thing is waste is not just present and inevitable, it's necessary, because redundancy is by definition waste. Small companies can be frighteningly efficient, no doubt. The thing is, that's indicidual ones, not en masse. En masse, small companies aren't efficient because small companies also go out of business ALL the time. The redundancy is having many of them, but if you look at one, you'll miss that. The reason individual one can be efficient is they lack redundancy and so there is no slack. If something bad happens, then they fail.
Big companies and even more so the government simply cannot afford that.
You *cannot* have key employees, because they will die. The governemnt is older than any human. Notonly that, you know those horrifyingly rare 1 in a million cancers? Well, that happens to someone in government on average several times per year. People do get run over by busses, die in freak accidents, never mind get old, retire, change jobs, move all the time when you're a large organisation.
If you have no waste (redundancy) then the organisation will collapse after a 4 hours when the first person cops it.
Secondly, a small company, or a small tech department in a big company can affor to hire the bst 0.1%. However 0.1% of the entire US population is less than the size of the governement and many large companies. They cannot hire only the best of the best because frankly those people don't exist.
And then there's the coupling or anticoupling of fraud and waste. Time was Joe Civil Servant could give the contract to his nephew with no oversight and make a nice little packet on the side. Naturally everyone thought this was a bad idea. The huge, insane bidding processes that exclude small efficient companies are set up precisely because of those problems. What is not clear is how you can allow in small companies which can't do rigorous auditing (because they don't have a full timeaccountant let alone department and besiade that is expensive and therefore wasteful) and can't go through massive hoops to "provably" prevent fraud, while being able to get contracts. In other words how can you remove the burdensome oversight without removing the oversight?
That's a tiny set of why platitudes of "reducing waste etc" are mindlessly stupid without somethig to back them up. Any fool can claim waste is bad (no shit!), but said fool can't actually do anything about it.
And no, just slashing budgets does not work, because all the same mechanisms are still in place.
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If you think Trudeau is a batshit insane leftist politician, well... we have very different ideas of what "insane leftist" means, then.
Legalizing marijuana makes perfect sense if your goal is to reduce harm. If your goal is to fill your jail cells and waste police resources, then sure... keep it illiegal.
just go vote to make sure he doesn't get elected, how difficult can it be?
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
And if he would have invested in Enron, it would have all been gone and he would have had nothing.
Also you assume he would not have touched the money at all. I a; sure that he had some expenses along the way. So no interest on interest. No food. No clothes, no food, no money for a hairdresser, nothing.
I am absolutely not a Trump fan (and even if I were, I can't vote for him) and I agree he is not the great businessman he thinks he is, but there is no reason to make up numbers that are not realistic.
If you do the calculations correct, it might still be that he is below average and that with correct numbers.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
No, South Korea does not want the US to pull out or reduce our presence. They rely heavily on us and our big sticks to keep the North in check. Remove our extremely capable forces and the barrier to NK seeking a military resolution to the stalemate is greatly reduced. NK deciding to attack means Seoul is obliterated in minutes.
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It's been my observation that those who work hardest, and have the most skill either don't care about politics at all, or they like Trump.
When I'm around selfish Trump supporters, I clam up because it's not the kind of conversation I'd have with work colleagues. (at least I would in Europe, just not here in the US). I wonder if that's why you've encountered colleagues who seem to "not care about politics"? Actually, I'm also pretty much silent when with anyone from the intolerant extremes, left or right, because the likelihood of fruitful discussion is so low and the likelihood of vexation is so high.
I understand the populist Left, but they have yet to propose anything that benefits me as a common programmer and knowledge worker personally.
You know what -- who cares about you? I'm a programmer too, doing very well myself, and I'm going to vote for the candidate who helps those worse off than me, even at my personal expense, because they're the ones who need the help. You could put down your Ayn Rand and think about doing the same!
No, the whole point of having so many checks and balances is to stop bad decisions of one branch of government makes before they create havoc. Small government has nothing to do with it.
I love when my Canadian friends talk about how accepting and multicultural they are, being isolated so far north from significant land immigration traffic.
I always offer that we can place buses at the US/Mexico border with a sign saying "free trip to Canada", and drop off anyone who wishes to ride on the Canadian side of the border.