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Anti-Piracy Firm Rightscorp Will Hijack Pirates' Browsers Until a Fine is Paid (torrentfreak.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Anti-piracy firm Rightscorp says that it's working on a next-generation technology called Scalable Copyright, under which it plans to extract cash settlements from suspected Internet pirates. The company says its new technology will lock users' browsers and prevent Internet access until they pay a fine. (Sounds familiar?) To encourage ISPs to play along, Rightscorp says the system could help to limit their copyright liability. For those unaware, Rightscorp works with copyright owners such as movie studios, music labels, and game developers, and tracks the IP addresses of people who are torrenting copyright infringing material. Sadly, the company's previous tactics haven't worked so well. The company doesn't have many clients, and it posted a net loss of $3.43m in 2015, up from the $2.85m net loss recorded in 2014.

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  1. If ever a company and its people deserved to die.. by MitchDev · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... this is a prime example.

  2. good luck by phishybongwaters · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Installing a fucking piece of malware you fucking twits, you've literally reinvented cryptolock trojans, Slow clap for you. Not only is this not feasible (you'd have to bribe EVERY security researcher and pay to get whitelisted on EVERY AV site) unless you work a deal with the browser creators. And hey, I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly don't pay for a fucking browser, so there's no benefit from them adopting this unless having a lower userbase is something they are interested in. Here's a fucking CRAZY idea. Give us the content we want the way we want at a reasonable price. I'm 100% confident that would work, and be cheaper than whatever asshat ideas your NON ENGINEERS can dream up after a long night of doing whippits.

    1. Re: good luck by saloomy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think they plan to do this at the ISP level with a proxy or something, doesn't sound like they are inventing or installing anything. Sounds like they are man-in-the-middling your connection with a bad proxy.

    2. Re: good luck by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many ISPs would actually be willing to do this, however, and whether it would even be legal in the US.

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    3. Re: good luck by saloomy · · Score: 1

      I would have to imagine being illegal has nothing to do with it, it would be a violation of the terms of service you signed up for Internet with, and I would imagine the ISPs who negotiate that with the various municipalities they operate in (Cable companies in particular who get exclusive access to residents of a city agree on TOS, packages, pricing for a particular city when agreeing to service said city). Municipal governments are locally controlled so it's easy to make sure agreeing to this sort of behavior is absolutely out of the question for the ISP anyway.

    4. Re: good luck by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Many such contacts include a 'we can change the terms any time we want, and a lack of written objection from you will be considered agreement to the new terms' clause.

    5. Re: good luck by jofas · · Score: 1

      That can change terms downstream to the client, but in no way can it magically make multiple levels of municipal, state/provincial and federal government and their associated regulators get along.

    6. Re:good luck by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I also feel the need to point out that this act is almost literally the definition of digital piracy.

      Arrrr, me crew and I have taken ye browser and seek 200 gold pieces for it's safe return.

      Although "extortion" might be the better word for it in the modern parlance.

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    7. Re: good luck by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Comcast already does this to some degree. They will inject HTTP into your browser requests if you have a copyright violation. It would be just as easy to redirect your web requests to a Rightscorp page until you pay the fine.

    8. Re: good luck by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      if they hijack dns, you use someone else's dns (hopefully they don't block dns queries over your wan).

      if they insert data in your stream, you run a secure link or even a vpn.

      if they block vpn use, THEN its time to find another isp. (good luck; most people have just 1 local choice.)

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    9. Re: good luck by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      I would have to imagine being illegal has nothing to do with it, it would be a violation of the terms of service you signed up for Internet with ...

      *Alleged* violation. Just because Rightscorp says you did it doesn't mean it's true. However, you'll be summarily found guilty, punished and have your Internet access revoked until you pay a fine or get a judge to rule in your favor. For many people, Internet (web) access is basically a necessity, or a utility, now -- people get and pay bills electronically, etc... -- preventing them access to perform those functions is extortion.

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    10. Re: good luck by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Taking money every month without providing Internet is a breach of contract. Too bad you probably already waived your right to trial in the terms.

    11. Re: good luck by omnichad · · Score: 1

      (hopefully they don't block dns queries over your wan).

      No, they wouldn't block them. They'd silently masquerade as your chosen DNS server.

    12. Re: good luck by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      That's why you talk to a lawyer ASAP.

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  3. In other words by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    They want to be be internet tough guy vigilantes.

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  4. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by krisbrowne42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nope, that's too simple. They deserve to slide into oblivion, watching their business model fall to obscurity, while they eventually get caught up in litigation for the blackmail tactics they've burned consumers with.

  5. Website not working by bizitch · · Score: 5, Funny

    I want to check out their website http://www.rightscorp.com/ and it's not loading.

    I keep clicking refresh over and over and over and its still not loading .....

    Hmmmmmm I wonder why?

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    1. Re:Website not working by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Yeah! Nothing shows companies what's what like a DDoS! Oh, except telling your mom what they've done. I bet she'll give them a good talking-to. That'll teach 'em!

    2. Re:Website not working by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      I guess they've already hijacked your browser, pirate.

    3. Re:Website not working by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 4, Funny
      From their FAQs:

      ...Most internet service provider contracts state that the contract holder is responsible for actions taken on their internet service.

      What is an IP Address?

      Every machine on the Internet has a unique identifying number, called an IP Address.

      What is[sic] the IP Address shown does not match the IP Address on the notice?

      Occasionally, your ISP may change the IP Address that your computer uses. Your ISP has verified that at the time your computer was used for copyright infringement, it was using the IP Address stated in the notice.

      Sounds legit to me!

    4. Re:Website not working by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You should write a script to click refresh for you. So you can get the very latest RightsCorp news as soon as it's available, of course.

      Actually, this is not a bad idea for any company that has a terms of service with a line stating that it could change at any time. But your honor, the TOS says it's my responsibility to stay current. I was doing that to the best of my abilities (and helped everyone else do so as well).

    5. Re:Website not working by Bathroom+Humor · · Score: 1

      I just went there with the WOT extension enabled. What a jolly chuckle that gave me.

    6. Re:Website not working by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Their site works now and the first thing I see is:

      Received a Notice?

      Yes, it’s real. The good news is you have options.

      So I guess they're validating scammers' fake emails, too.

  6. Reminds Me by Luthair · · Score: 4, Insightful

    of the Sony rootkit fiasco, or back when the MPAA used to pay people to DOS file sharers

    1. Re:Reminds Me by phishybongwaters · · Score: 1

      Well in perspective, Sony didn't announce they were doing it, it was discovered. And on the whole, it opened some security holes up but unless you went looking, it didn't interfere with your computer at all. MPAA paying people to DOS is something altogether different, and illegal now.

    2. Re:Reminds Me by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It was also self-limited to Sony customers. Granted, you didn't get to approve the trojan install, but once it was public you could avoid it by avoiding Sony. With this plan, Rightscorp will get your ISP to redirect your traffic purely based on "we say this person is a dirty pirate." If they're mistaken? Oh well, either prove it to them (without using the Internet, mind you) or pay up. And you can't say "don't pirate and this won't happen to you" because there's no guarantee that Rightscorp's pirate identification methods will be foolproof. You can get caught in the web simply because some data entry clerk at Rightscorp typed an IP address in wrong.

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    3. Re:Reminds Me by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Or because your ISP identifies the wrong person, e.g. like that poor guy in France who got pegged every time the ISP's script couldn't determine which user it was.

  7. Good luck with that on tech like LTE by Pizentios · · Score: 1

    Good luck with tracking ip's on technology like LTE. IP leases only typically last a few hours. Most ISP's likely aren't going to pay someone to baby sit lease requests and given that these copyright holders preform abuse requests with no set standard for the information it's very hard to script a automated system to handle them.

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    1. Re:Good luck with that on tech like LTE by phishybongwaters · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually ISPs need to retain those logs for years for various reasons other than copyright. IF they are released to groups like this is a grey area, but the fact remains, providers keep logs for a very long time, and very long time indeed. It has nothing to do with the lease time, it's a completely automated system. There will be a database, likely MSSQL or straight SQL containing YEARS of records, MAC to IP and the dates.

    2. Re:Good luck with that on tech like LTE by Zak3056 · · Score: 2

      Subpoenas count as "required by law."

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    3. Re:Good luck with that on tech like LTE by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      This isn't about subpoenas. Those come with lawsuits. This is about RC trying vigilante "justice", presumably by convincing ISPs to tick off and lose customers when told to do so. I can't imagine it'll be real popular with the ISPs.

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  8. limit liability? by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    How would it limit liability? Don't they have a long history of let us remove whatever we wan't and then we will sue you into oblivion anyway after you have done everything we asked?

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    1. Re:limit liability? by Comboman · · Score: 2

      ISPs already have limited liability due to their status as a common carrier. The only reason ISPs might agree to this scheme is as a way to manage traffic (cutting off illegal downloaders who are heavy bandwidth users). Even then, ISPs already have ways of doing that which don't involve shady third parties like RightsCorp.

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  9. Scalable Racketeering by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the absence of some sort of legal judgement allowing these thugs to shake people down for cash, doesn't this just go by the plain old-fashioned name of "extortion"?

    Wait, I've missed the bigger picture here! Apparently all the crypto-locker authors just need to make up a random crime to accuse people of, and then their ransomware becomes perfectly kosher, right?

    Time to go write an "anti-piracy" app that only targets Rightscorp!

    1. Re:Scalable Racketeering by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      In the absence of some sort of legal judgement allowing these thugs to shake people down for cash, doesn't this just go by the plain old-fashioned name of "extortion"?

      It's a variation of what these people have been doing all along, what with offering music downloaders an "easy $1500 payment" or a $200,000 court judgment... I don't know if the courts still buy that load, but it often comes down to who can afford the lawyers, and it's rarly the person getting the shake-down.

      The issue here that will be litigated is the browser malware, not the monetary shake-down itself.

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  10. Everyone Back To FTP!!! by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    "No your honor. These files were retrieved via FTP not torrent."

    1. Re:Everyone Back To FTP!!! by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

      Fuck that, Audiogalaxy is where it's at.

    2. Re:Everyone Back To FTP!!! by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Man, I really liked audiogalaxy.

    3. Re:Everyone Back To FTP!!! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I really liked WinMX. There are still people happily running the old OpenNap servers, by the way. Of course, you didn't hear that from me. And by "still" I mean a few years ago, when I last checked. I've not actually bothered with it in a very, very long time.

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    4. Re:Everyone Back To FTP!!! by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      Time to bring back my good ol' BBS!

  11. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by saloomy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Well, To be an advocate for the devil: Being a software developer myself, I'd imagine i would be pretty upset of my software was taken without concent and compensation for use elsewhere. The companies right haven have as clients do make intellectual property, and I think we can all agree that consumption of that intellectual property without consent is theft. It's not like driving some else's car, since in this case the original owner retains a copy; it's like taking some else's car design and using it to build your own car without their consent. Now, what I disagree with in this case is two private companies arranging a punishment based on someone's illegal activities. I believe whole-heartedly that punishment can only be at the hands of the justice system. That's what it's there for. If you believe someone stole your property, you should sue them in court. You should have to prove your case, and you should ask the justice system for damages and/or punishment of some kind. But as a society, we can not allow private enterprise to be judge, jury, and executioner because that amounts to vigilante justice. We can all agree that we'd be better off with the justice system, can't we? These content owners really should be hiring a law firm to sue these infringers in court, and should have to pay court fees to do so, and should seek damages, and should have to prove their case!

  12. Pirates stealing from pirates by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's no honor among thieves.

  13. Good luck hijacking dillo, asshats! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

    Also, how on earth is this not very very illegal?

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    1. Re:Good luck hijacking dillo, asshats! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Oh, it is illegal. And if you can duke out and finance a multi-year legal battle you might even get a title. A title to get money from a shell company that has made nothing but losses during its existence that will go POOF before the ink on that title has dried.

      5 minutes later Legalcorp will appear somewhere.

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    2. Re:Good luck hijacking dillo, asshats! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      This looks like a violation of criminal law, and prosecutors might be interested. The company can fold and reappear under a similar name, but individuals can't.

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    3. Re:Good luck hijacking dillo, asshats! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But there was no individual involved. Rightscorp did it all.

      Corporations are people, ya know?

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    4. Re:Good luck hijacking dillo, asshats! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It's hard to pin the blame beyond reasonable doubt, but it isn't generally impossible. A few prison sentences will discourage the others.

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  14. CFAA by DarkOx · · Score: 1

    How could that possibly be legal under the CFAA?

    Sounds like criminal tampering with someone else's computer to me. If this happened to me I know I would tell RightsCorp, "Of course I did nothing wrong and infringed no copyrights you are in error, but by the way if you ever even think of filing any complain against me, I'll be on the DOJ tip line so fast it will make your head spin. I'll be in writing editorials everywhere you can imagine about how you guys appear to be committing federal computer crimes against innocent members of the public. "

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    1. Re:CFAA by PRMan · · Score: 1

      You really don't understand how high court/low court works, do you?

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    2. Re:CFAA by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      They don't give a shit about who you write and what they write about them. Rightscorp is a shell company whose only "customers" (read: actually owners but due to the illegal activities of that shell company they really don't want to be associated with it) are companies with large IP investments. Why should Rightscorp give a shit about what anyone anywhere writes about them? It's not like they provide any service to the public that could be "outraged" at their practices.

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    3. Re:CFAA by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Whichever person deployed this trojan on someones system would have just committed a criminal act under the CFAA. Penalties can range as high as 20 years. Typical rightscorp action would be to hit up a thousand people at a time. Even at 6months per person how many year in jail would that be? Would you be willing to risk it if you were the IT guy? This isn't one of those situations where they can hide behind corporate shells, the person involved in hacking the computers will be looking at jail time.

    4. Re:CFAA by omnichad · · Score: 1

      What court? You probably already agreed to waive your right to a trial and agree to "third-party" arbitration.

    5. Re:CFAA by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      There is likely not going to be any trojan involved. How would you make someone install it anyway? "I am Rightscorp, please install the enclosed trojan on your PC so we can hijack your browser?"

      That's something we had to very slowly and in very simple terms get into the skulls of our politicians over here: Infecting a specific computer with a targeted attack is VERY hard to pull off and it is virtually impossible to avoid collateral damage. So you better immediately forget using trojans against terrorists.

      What they will instead most likely do is get the ISPs to filter any and all of the alleged culprit's traffic through a proxy that redirects all requests to their "we are Rightscorp, resistance is futile" server.

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    6. Re:CFAA by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Most criminal sentences run concurrently, so that would be six months in most cases.

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    7. Re:CFAA by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      This isn't just a civil law situation, though. Extortion is a crime, and that cannot be resolved by third party arbitration.

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    8. Re:CFAA by omnichad · · Score: 1

      See subject. We're talking about legal action under CFAA, not under extortion. Of course the ISP would be acting complicitly, and we know this probably isn't malware being installed. So I doubt it even falls under that.

    9. Re:CFAA by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The CFAA is criminal law. People go to prison because of it. That trumps any arbitration clause.

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    10. Re:CFAA by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Depends on who brings the charges - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  15. Wow ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow vigilante hacking with no legal burden of proof and so they can run a shakedown racket?

    Sorry, this is an asshole copyright troll, who has consistently demonstrated they lie about owning copyrights, who make illegal shakedown requests, and expect to do this with zero evidentiary standard, and have ISPs put in the infrastructure to support it.

    Sorry, assholes. You have no legal basis to do this, and if you do it's hard to see how this won't get you some actual criminal charges. They want to make claims for which there is no basis in law, and for which they do not have a legal right to make.

    Then again, putting these clowns in jail under a RICO conviction would be awesome.

    These guys can't even convince judges they're not a scam, because they are a scam. The idiots who run Rightscorp are nothing more than crooks and thieves abusing the legal process to send shakedown notices about infringements they aren't in a legal position to be pursuing.

    They're lying bastards, and any ISP which lets them tie into anything is likely going to open themselves to some major legal action.

    This is just delusional bullshit PR by a company who greatly overstates their legal position here.

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    1. Re:Wow ... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      The worst part about this idea is that the reason they are trying to go this route is that the courts have rejected the traditional extortion scheme they based their business model on.

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  16. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think we can all agree that consumption of that intellectual property without consent is theft. It's not like driving some else's car, since in this case the original owner retains a copy; it's like taking some else's car design and using it to build your own car without their consent.

    No we can't all agree on that. I don't see anything wrong with taking someone else's car design. I don't necessarily agree that intellectual property in the copyright sense has any value. While the patent system is in need of reform I do see some value there in encouraging invention. If car design does not advance the art and technology of car design in any patentable way than I see no reason at all why anyone else should be denied its use. Now if you do some actual R&D and come up with novel and improved way to do something as a result and integrate it into your design yes I would agree you should have a limited time right to license that.

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  17. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by religionofpeas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think we can all agree that consumption of that intellectual property without consent is theft

    No, it's not theft, it's copyright violation. There's no good reason to confuse the two concepts.

  18. Wait by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm pretty sure someone breaking the law is not an excuse for you to also break the law.

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  19. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

    I agree with you especially since they want to hijack suspect pirates' browsers.

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  20. Business Model.. by lionchild · · Score: 1

    This sounds like a great business model: Let's post losses for years one end, and see how well that works for us.

    I'm sure they're losing a little on each transaction, but they're planning to make it up in volume!

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  21. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to by saloomy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What are you talking about? A design has usefulness and therefore value just as utility patents do. If they didn't have value, there would be no reason for someone else to use it. By copying the car design, you see some value in it, and should compensate the designer appropriately, it's their design!

  22. this is illegal in Minnesota by swschrad · · Score: 2

    constitutes hacking, gross misdemeanor under a 20+ year old law, 90 days and $2000 per instance if I remember correctly.

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    1. Re:this is illegal in Minnesota by Jahta · · Score: 2

      constitutes hacking, gross misdemeanor under a 20+ year old law, 90 days and $2000 per instance if I remember correctly.

      It's illegal in lots of places. Where I live modifying, or interfering with the operation of, somebody's computer without their consent is a crime. So as the saying goes "good luck with that".

    2. Re:this is illegal in Minnesota by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      But that applies only to the plebs, not corporations. Or do you see any Sony C-Levels in jail?

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    3. Re:this is illegal in Minnesota by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      do it over State lines, it becomes a Federal offence.

      Where are Rightscorp based again?

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    4. Re:this is illegal in Minnesota by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

      $2000 per instance if I remember correctly

      "Cost of doing business", and hardly a deterrent to an entertainment corporation.

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    5. Re: this is illegal in Minnesota by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, we could technically do something about it. Unfortunately those sponges know that they ain't worth a nanosecond of jail time because offing them doesn't accomplish anything, for every parasite you could squish there is at least five waiting for him to croak.

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  23. Welcome to the Windows 10 experience by mt2mb4me · · Score: 2

    Sure, you can't just make everyone install a browser, but you can have a forced windows update that puts this right into the kernel. They already do it with a "punk-buster"esque anti-cheat engine and for DRM, why not add anti-piracy? Sure it won't stop the hardcore 'nix folks, but it will stop little jimmy from not paying for his music and entertainment.

    1. Re:Welcome to the Windows 10 experience by colinrichardday · · Score: 2

      Sure it won't stop the hardcore 'nix folks

      How hardcore is it to run Ubuntu?

    2. Re:Welcome to the Windows 10 experience by mlts · · Score: 1

      Sure it won't stop the hardcore 'nix folks

      How hard is it to run a VM?

    3. Re: Welcome to the Windows 10 experience by mt2mb4me · · Score: 1

      Listen, we are all geeks here. These all sound like simple answers. However, john q public doesnt know wtf a VM is. They may use a mac, but they run a walled garden themselves, and could be persuaded to tow the line. Plus Mac sucks FTW.

  24. I'd like to see that. by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    I have 6 different browsers, which one will they try to block?
    Not to mention, that 95% of my stuff gets downloaded automatically by uTorrent from TvRSS, no browsers involved,

    1. Re:I'd like to see that. by mlts · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Other than getting ISPs to block users (where the ISP now has to deal with a potential subscriber lawsuit because of the word of a third party), I just don't see how this is going to work:

      1: Browser makers won't allow a third party to disable their software at the third party's whim. Even if were mandated (perhaps a DMCA2 treaty), there would be some people in Russia who will just fork off a pre-bongoed source and offer that for download.

      2: If it gets nailed through a browser or add-on, it will be patched by the browser or third parties. They better stand in line behind the real ransomware makers if they want to go for 0-day security day holes.

      3: People have multiple browsers. To separate tasks, I use sandboxie, multiple browsers, browsers on USB flash drives, and different types of browsers. Will they shut them all down? Perhaps if they inject malware that does redirects.

      4: People have virtual machines. Destroy the VM that I use for browsing the web, I just run "vagrant destroy --force && vagrant up", and in a few minutes, I have my browser virtual machine back up, running, with all my extensions present, courtesy of provisioning scripts.

      5: People have and use VPNs, both in the same country and offshore. Good luck with sending copyright notices to the VPN in Switzerland, Sweden, or even Canada. Even a VPN in the same area, unless the party decided to press a legal case, they won't be handing names and other info over, if they are to remain in business for long.

      6: People use combinations of the above. Push too hard and even Joe Sixpack will start using an offshore VPN service for $5 a month, pretty much making any IP enforcement impossible without having to make it an international event.

      tl;dr, Rightcorp's existence depends on trying to get ISPs to do the belling the cat (with the legal risk that entails for the ISP) for them... and all it takes is 1-2 false positives for that ISP to start seriously hurting. Even worse, it will just make the pirates "go dark" and ensure that nothing but the most elaborate tracking will actually work.

    2. Re:I'd like to see that. by jaymemaurice · · Score: 1

      Canadian here. Our politicians have been done whatever they can to be America's hat for a while, so we get copyright notices from our duopoly carriers on top of paying a levy to the Canadian Private Copying Collective of $0.24 per unit for 40min+ Audio Cassette tape, and $0.29 per unit for CD-R, CD-RW, CD-R Audio, CD-RW Audio and MiniDisc...

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    3. Re:I'd like to see that. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Other than getting ISPs to block users (where the ISP now has to deal with a potential subscriber lawsuit because of the word of a third party), I just don't see how this is going to work:

      That is their plan. Which means VPNs are not going to be a simple workaround either unless they are going to be hiding on an allowed port that isn't being redirected to Rightcorp. Good luck tunnelling via email. I'd give it about a day before that extra email traffic annoys someone at the ISP enough to block it.

  25. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

    By copying the car design, you see some value in it, and should compensate the designer appropriately, it's their design!

    That's one way of looking at it. Alternatively, you could say that any car manufacturer can copy the other's design, just like scientists can copy each other's ideas. I'm not sure that we'd end up worse that way.

  26. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to by saloomy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I stand corrected: From Wikipedia: Theft, meanwhile, emphasizes the potential commercial harm of infringement to copyright holders. However, copyright is a type of intellectual property, an area of law distinct from that which covers robbery or theft, offenses related only to tangible property. Not all copyright infringement results in commercial loss, and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1985 that infringement does not easily equate with theft.

  27. No due process by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So they're going to just bypass all that pesky legal stuff like people's rights and impose punishment on people who haven't even been arrested or had their day in court? Sounds to me like vigilantism at best, or quite a bit like cybercrime or cyberterrorism at worst. Sounds to me like they're the ones who need to be arrested by the FBI, not alleged 'copyright infringers'.

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    1. Re:No due process by bmk67 · · Score: 1

      The word you're looking for is "extortion".

      Frankly, if and when this scheme is ever considered by our court system - which side the law favors is going to be telling.

  28. How? Legally? by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

    I can't access that site from work, so please pardon me if this question was addressed.

    How are they going to do this in the United States without committing a federal felony?

    Some adware/spyware gets a legal pass because it's bundled with other software and its installation is "authorized" when the user accepts the terms/EULA. Without consent, they cannot legally install anything.

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    1. Re:How? Legally? by PRMan · · Score: 2

      The same way Sony did with the rookit. Nobody went to jail for that, you know.

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    2. Re:How? Legally? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      No, no one went to jail because the harm was arguable. 99% of people didn't even know they were infected because it was relatively unobtrusive. Sony still ended up paying hundreds of millions in damages.

      Shutting down someone's internet would be about 1000x worse and if they snag an innocent person (which they will)? This is CFAA territory and I suspect they lock a few thousand peoples computers and whoever deployed it would be looking at jail time. Look at the risk here, what if they get a military computer? How about a police terminal? Politician? Judge? Prosecutor? They would have to be fucking crazy to try this.

  29. posted a net loss of $3.43m in 2015 by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Can you say 'money laundering' and 'tax evasion'? Can it be any more obvious?

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    1. Re:posted a net loss of $3.43m in 2015 by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2

      Seriously, with losses like that, how do they pay their employees?
      and who are these employees, anyway, engineering these ingenious malwa^H^H^H^H^H property-protection products?
      and hey! if this works to lock-up your system, and you hack to remove it, have you violated DMCA? liable for criminal charges?
      what a fun way to make a living!

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  30. I suspect the headline is wrong by chispito · · Score: 1

    I suspect that Rightscorp will not, in fact, be able to hijack browsers until a fine is paid due to myriad technological and legal issues.

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    1. Re:I suspect the headline is wrong by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What they will more likely do is force (sorry, "convince") your ISP to force you to go through a proxy that redirects all your requests to their IP where they show you their blackmail page.

      Which raises an interesting question: Since my ISP is not providing the service he is supposedly offering, he'd be in breach of contract, which means I could immediately cancel it and go to another ISP.

      Yeah, ISPs will really love to "cooperate" here.

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  31. The real question... by Seng · · Score: 1

    ...is what all the Russian proxy services going to do when all their IPs are blocked?

  32. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Theft != IP violation. This has been something the *AAs have been trying to confuse for decades now. Read the many, many threads on this issue before stepping out with the same cow waste we have been reading. I never hear someone calling jaywalking the same as murder, nor speeding the same as homicide.

    Yes, IP violations are an infringement, but it is more akin to someone sitting on a fence overlooking a stadium and freeloading than actual theft (where something salable has been deprived.) Yes, the owner may feel they were deprived a sale, but legally, there is still a difference.

    There is a difference between IP infringement types. Someone copying a movie and playing it in a theater without paying the royalties is a different issue than someone grabbing a movie from a torrent and playing that, or someone copying a DVD to their hard disk to play on their phone during a long trip.

    Want to know how to handle IP infringement? This is what governments are set up to do. Have a clearinghouse paid for by taxes, and peoples works who are downloaded or used from there, the owner gets paid by that number. Yes, there is a lot of tuning, and the system can be abused, but it decriminalizes the primary form of IP infringement out there.

  33. Is there anything more sinister by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

    That what corporations do to protect their interests?

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    1. Re:Is there anything more sinister by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

      It seems you need a lesson in history. Genocide has been instigated by corporations (Shell corp, for example, in Africa, protecting oil interests) forever.

      Look up "blood diamonds" or "conflict diamonds" as another example.

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  34. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Informative

    " I think we can all agree that consumption of that intellectual property without consent is theft."

    NO its is NOT THEFT. How can you have a conversation about copyright when you cant even get your terms straight. You cannot use the word theft in this context. You MUST use the word 'infringement' or you are not engaging in an honest discussion. Copyright infringement is NOT theft, come back with a proper argument.

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  35. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by jdavidb · · Score: 3

    I think we can all agree that consumption of that intellectual property without consent is theft

    No, I don't agree with that.

  36. The devil fires his lawyer by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

    Well, To be an advocate for the devil .. Now, what I disagree with in this case is two private companies arranging a punishment based on someone's illegal activities.

    I'm confused. It sounds like you are totally opposed to what they're doing, and calling them out on their absurd bullshit. This is like saying, "Hey, people are flaming Trump for being a piece of shit and an embarrassment to America, but to play devil's advocate, he is a piece of shit and an embarrassment to America."

    You need to practice more at this devil's advocate thing. It is a damn fun thing to do, but you're got to do it right, or else it doesn't work at all.

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    1. Re:The devil fires his lawyer by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Maybe even the Devil has disowned Trump and his advocate has been assigned instructions to that effect?

  37. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    A utility patent has some utility (e.g. usefulness), thus its name. A design patent lacks that utility.

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  38. uhh... by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    even though I'm against piracy, this is certainly NOT legal, this falls in the same category as actual mallware/ransomware which in many countries is illegal.. Especially with ransomware these days, you can bet your ass that some other asswipe will use it (their logo/message) to extort money..

    1. Re:uhh... by mlts · · Score: 1

      The ironic thing is that in general, piracy is way down overall. Latest gen consoles have a 0% piracy rate. With streaming, there isn't a real reason for pirating music (other than finding not for sale songs.) Video piracy is down because one can stream or just go to RedBox. Software piracy is down because of the shift to MMOs, uncrackable DRM, and Steam/GOG, where it is almost pointless to pirate.

      It is understandable that an anti-piracy firm wants to make money, but they are trying to capitalize on an infraction which is happening less and less. Might as well make a private company that uses drones to watch for cattle rustlers and claim jumpers... more money catching those perps anyway.

  39. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by Hylandr · · Score: 2

    consumption of that intellectual property without consent is theft.

    No. It's not. This is also far too broad of a definition of 'consumption without consent'. Consent is what exactly?

    It's not like driving some else's car, since in this case the original owner retains a copy; it's like taking some else's car design and using it to build your own car

    This is called a free market. You can't pass off your car as an original 'Chevy Malibu', but certainly all cars have 4 wheels, a steering wheel, turn signals etc.

    without their consent.

    Again, what, exactly, is consent here?

    Now, what I disagree with in this case is two private companies arranging a punishment based on someone's illegal activities. I believe whole-heartedly that punishment can only be at the hands of the justice system

    Of this I completely agree. In today's era of SJW activity it's hardly unusual.

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  40. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No, no, let them live. It's free money for anyone who they try to extort.

    I'm not sure how they think they can get away with such behaviour, but malware is malware and they're going to be in a shitload of trouble if they start damaging people's computers, regardless of whether or not that person is distributing copyrighted software.

  41. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by trenien · · Score: 2
    Since the very words "intellectual property" have been coined by copyrights lawyer in order to make the argument that copyright infringement was theft, no, we can't all agree on that preposterous assertion.

    People who are at the origin of intellectual creation have to come to term with one very simple fact: they lose any kind of proprietary rights the moment they release their creation to the public (whatever it is you've made, however it inspires me, what's inside my head isn't yours). That is the very nature of such things. What society has decided is to grant them a monopoly in the reproduction rights of said work. Of course, when compared with what this right was originally, it has been abused on a scale beyond imagination (but commensurate with the wish most people have to get a rent of whatever kind forever).

  42. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's fair enough. But if your software shows me an FBI warning for 15 seconds every time I start it, has embedded ads that cannot be skipped, only runs on certain kinds of computers "because piracy", and is not available in some countries or priced very differently there for arbitrary (not legal) reasons, then it's off to the Pirate bay for a copy that has all those stupid restrictions removed. Copyright is a privilege granted by society, and it's high time that society starts setting a few reasonable conditions of its own. Fair use, format shifting and ripping, and reasonable availability are just a few.

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  43. Due Process? by Holi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So they will kill any chance they have at suing you by using illegal extortion tactics. I say go for it. They have no legal right to demand money form you without a court order.

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  44. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you mean you'd copy it the same way one car manufacturer might copy the design of another manufacturer's car, I'd say go for it. It's not like the design details are published in a read-and-reproduce format, you don't get the CNC instructions to cut the stamps and molds used in the production, you don't even have a paper with basic measurements available. You have to get your hands on the actual physical car and derive all of that yourself (and any variation thereof makes your design its own unique derivative, rather than a copy), which is every bit as much work as taking the actual designer's clay model and translating it into a real object. The only work saved, then, is that of the designer doing their day or two worth of sketches and maybe a week on a clay model; the remaining several thousand man-hours still need to be spent in measuring, documenting, tooling, testing, correcting, lather, rinse, repeat, until the copy is identical to the original. If someone would rather do all of that than come up with their own original design, well, I would welcome them to do it.

    Keep in mind, before you respond, that DarkOx specifically mentioned the difference between design and utility. If my design includes something novel (and patented), like a unique mechanism for automatically-adjusting front and rear spoilers, that would be utility rather than design. You'd be welcome to copy every element of the design, including the body of the vehicle and the shape and default placement of the spoilers, but you'd have to either implement them as fixed spoilers or develop your own adjustment mechanism. Of course, I'd be happy to license my adjustment mechanism to you for a relatively small fee, with a clause in the license stipulating that you must integrate it into your own design and/or license my design (of course at a much larger fee). The difference between that contract and the social contract that is Copyright, of course, is that we'd have sat down at a table and negotiated it and I'd have your signature on paper stating that you agree not to use my design without compensation in exchange for the right to use my adjustment mechanism.

    Consideration is a huge part of any contract, some would say the most important part. The consideration due the public in the social contract that is Copyright was that, after 14 years, the work would belong to the public. That consideration has been removed, rendering the contract void.

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  45. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by Holi · · Score: 1

    So you think it's ok to go vigilante and run an extortion racket. Because that is what this is.

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  46. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by sudon't · · Score: 1, Troll

    No, it's not theft, it's copyright violation. There's no good reason to confuse the two concepts.

    I don't know if there's a good reason, but there's a useful reason. It allows people like the RIAA and MPAA to justify things like suing their customers, or installing ransomware on their computers.

    You know, I just thought of a fun thing for developers to do. If someone inputs a known bogus serial to unlock your software - bam! - you install some ransomware! They've just authenticated for you when they installed, right? (unless they have the sense to install apps in their Home directory). Now you hold their data ransom for $15, or whatever, and fill their monitor with scary 8-bit graphics until they pay up. Hilarious, am I right?

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  47. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by The-Ixian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well... if the person actually IS distributing copyrighted material that would come out in court if they decide to fight...

    It may end up costing the person more in the end.

    I am guessing they are relying on the old "make the cost less than that of hiring a lawyer" strategy that patent trolls use.

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  48. Sadly? by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

    Sadly, the company's previous tactics haven't worked so well. The company doesn't have many clients, and it posted a net loss of $3.43m in 2015, up from the $2.85m net loss recorded in 2014.

    Why does this text begin with the word " Sadly "? It is certainly not the word that I would use.

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    1. Re:Sadly? by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      Because being an American means you are to nurture every corporation and that you want to see them become happy and healthy.

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  49. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    It isn't malware like you think it is. The ISP just redirects your web requests to Rightscorps servers until you pay the fine. Comcast already will inject HTTP into your traffic with copyright notices.

  50. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by ChoGGi · · Score: 2

    What you don't eat your DVD after watching it?

  51. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by peragrin · · Score: 2

    That's just it it isn't theft. I haven't taken anything away from you. You failed to provide me with a legal method to view your product and you under capitalized your selling. If you were not an idiot and properly sold your product I wouldn't have to find other means of acquiring it.

    In software pirates versions are stable and more functional than the broken dem laden versions.
    In movies you can't charge $50 a movie ticket and expect sales to be the same as when you charged $ 10 a ticket. Why are you charging me more for an HD version vs SD version of the same movie? You filmed it in HD the SD version cost more as it if to be cut down. But you charge more for the less work used to make the HD version.

    The same goes for DVD's. Vs on demand rentals.

    Piracy is an economic problem. If your product is suffering from piracy you are failing to captialize on potentional markets properly.

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  52. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Matheus · · Score: 1

    I'm confused... wasn't April Fools 3 days ago?

  53. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

    I have comcast and when I run a vpn, they can TRY to inject all they want. it bounces off the side (lol).

    then again, they disconnect me when I use my vpn and I have to have an auto 'redial' script that pings gateways and reboots the modem when comcrap decides I used enough opaque bw for the day.

    https needs to be everywhere, so that rogue isp's can't fuck with your stream. they want to. we can't let them.

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  54. Jerry Garcia by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    The CEO of this company is the Chief Exec of the Jerry Garcia estate. The hippies have grown up!

    1. Re:Jerry Garcia by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      (citation needed)

      if this is true, this is 100% against all that jerry stood for. he allowed (along with his band) FREE taping and FREE exchange of their music and you could even buy taper (area) tickets to stay in the mics+recorders section, where it was fully above-board (but not FOB, lol).

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    2. Re:Jerry Garcia by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      damn, you seem to be right:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      unbelievable! this is not what jerry would have wanted. whoever gave this idiot access to jerry's vault tapes should be punished for doing such a horrible thing. wow ;(

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    3. Re:Jerry Garcia by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Well it might be like the Martin Luther King Jr. "I have a dream" speech controversy.

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  55. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So they want to bypass any proof of wrong-doing, any proper due process, and just be able to assert you infringed and you need to pay.

    Sorry, but that is complete bullshit.

    Rightscorp isn't in a legal position to impose "fines".

    This is a shakedown racket, pure and simple, and Rightscorp wants the right to have ISPs act as the collection muscle with absolutely ZERO standard of proof.

    I'm sorry, but we'd trust the assholes at Rightscorp to make these assertions without backing them up with proof, why, exactly?

    This isn't a fine, it's fucking protection money which comes with it an implicit admission of guilt. No way in hell there is any legal basis for that.

    Doing anything to legitimize these lying bastards is a terrible idea.

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  56. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am guessing they are relying on the old "make the cost less than that of hiring a lawyer" strategy that patent trolls use.

    This is EXACTLY what they are counting on. Suppose I were sued for downloading/distributing Random Movie via this method. They lock my browser (how, I have no clue) and I can't go online. Now, let's also suppose that I was innocent. Perhaps their software was flawed (I was distributing a public domain movie clip called "Just Another Random Movie") or maybe there was a typo in the IP address entry (entered .215 when they should have entered .251). In any event, they were accusing me without merit.

    My recourse would be to respond to their accusation by hiring a lawyer, mounting a "Not Guilty" defense, and hoping that they didn't sway the judge with technical sounding (but ultimately false) evidence. I'd have to hope that my lawyer would work pro-bono during this case, would need to endure the media looking into my private life and labeling me some sort of hacker/pirate (and all the fallout that would cause professionally), and would need to dedicate a lot of time/effort/stress to my defense.

    Or I could take a quick, relatively inexpensive settlement and avoid all that.

    Sadly, most people would take the settlement so they could just get on with their lives. I know I'd be very tempted to sign it.

    It's legalized Mafia tactics. "That's a nice life you have there. It'd be a shame if your reputation were dragged through the mud, you lost your job, tons of cash, and years of your life to a lawsuit. Just sign here and you'll be 'protected' against all that from happening. If not..." *knocks browser off shelf, shattering it to a million pieces to prove a point*

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  57. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to by dasgoober · · Score: 1

    It's worked for Jaguar, copying Aston Martin ... save on those design and prototyping costs.
    So, instead of having a $200k Aston, you get an $80k Jag.

  58. Even more-so by phorm · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure someone [potentially] breaking the law is not an excuse for you to also break the law.

    At this point, they don't even have solid proof that the person they're infecting broke the law.

  59. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    True...if you run a VPN you won't be detected anyway. I doubt they are that sophisticated. https doesn't matter, they just look at the IP endpoints/ports to determine if you are "torrenting".

  60. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Hate to break it to you, but most people don't use VPNs and the ISPs are already monitoring your traffic. It is only a matter of time before they start disconnecting/fining people. The Internet was fun while it lasted though!

  61. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    I'd go the "rip the copy you legally bought into another format" route instead of the "download from the Pirate Bay" route. The weird thing, though, is that the MPAA would consider both to be copyright violations of equal magnitude and would prosecute them the same if they could. The only thing stopping them is that it's hard to detect when a computer rips a DVD/Blu-Ray. (Especially if you don't share them and just use them for your own personal use.) It's easier to see if a computer is downloading something and automatically sharing it at the same time. If they could get a "magic ripper detector", though, I have no doubt I'd be sued for $750 - $150,000 for each legally purchased movie I ripped.

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  62. They want to be judge jury and executioner by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    They want to be judge jury and executioner. With very week evidence.

    Just think if they executed some one the day after the non trail. Where all they have is a security camera with low quality video that they miss content id matched to you.

    With no DNA, No weapon tied back to you, No finger prints.

  63. ILLEGAL by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the RIAA/MPAA installs any software doing what they suggest, the developers and businesses should all be jailed under the US Computer Espionage and Hacking laws.

    If you or I even attempted to look at their networks without written and explicit permission, we are in violation of the law. Accessing software inside their systems is at least 2 felonies.

    Hold people accountable, and if the Government does not then it's time to replace people in Government.

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    1. Re:ILLEGAL by steveg · · Score: 2

      To be fair, the government did shake their fingers at Sony. That's got to count for something, right?

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    2. Re:ILLEGAL by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Funny
      it's time to replace people in Government.

      With Trump?

      I think sexbots would be a better choice, but I a not a US voter.

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    3. Re:ILLEGAL by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Yup, nothing wrong with the status quo, they only have your best interests at heart. History shows that leaders change all on their own and Government gets fair all on it's own.

      Oh wait, that's really a fantasy that people want. Reality is that the only way to fix corruption is by revolt. Soft revolution can work as well as violent, but some will be hurt in the process.

      Nope, I'm not saying to vote Trump nor am I saying to vote Sanders. I'm just saying that when the Government is deeply corrupt the status quo won't fix a damn thing. But hell, you have sexbots in a foreign country so why do you care?

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    4. Re:ILLEGAL by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Reality? From the pentagon crash was faked guy?

  64. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Yes they want to bypass it. Comcast will disconnect you if they think you have too many copyright violations. It is just another added step to "fine you" to allow your access to remain. This is coming no matter what people think. The days of open Internet are coming to a close. The next step will only allow people to connect to the Internet via "approved" devices.

  65. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No we can't all agree it's theft. It's copyright infringement.

    Battery is not assault.

    Kidnapping is not murder.

    Copyright infringement is way down. The growing entertainment glut has more to do with falling sales in particular industries.

    I'm retired and I *literally* can't keep up with the entertainment options that I'm interested in (much less the entire field of entertainment).

    So I start by choosing the less expensive entertainment. And voila, a lot of the expensive entertainment is inexpensive by the time I get to it... if I ever get to it.

    People who used to pirate terabytes of material a decade ago don't pirate, or pirate only a few items per year now, and never even used/watched 95% of the stuff they pirated back in the day.

    We are not better off with the justice system once it was bought by corporations. That's why people have lost respect for the law. Every time the copyright on Disney's snow white is extended, it makes people respect copyright law less. Disney took something from the public domain, and then did not return their own creation to the public domain for other creators to use in the future.

    That's wrong.

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  66. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    There is no reason to let them live. Exactly none.

    I can see your motivation, but you have to think of the greater good.

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  67. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Making or downloading a copy is generally not a criminal action. Distributing a copy is the criminal action.
    However downloading a copy does open you to civil lawsuits.

    http://blogs.findlaw.com/blott...

    Currently, copyright enforcers focus on highly active people but there is always a chance you'll be sued for being unlucky for the one download you made ever in your life.

    However, the copyright enforcers have some barriers to overcome.

    1) The concept that "an i.p. is the same as a fingerprint" has been killed so they have to prove it was you that did the download.
    2) They need to have evidence that the data is in your possession.
    3) Which means they are going to engage in an expensive legal process to have a warrant served by sheriffs who enter your house and take your computing equipment.
    4) But be aware that even if it wasn't you, the file isn't on your computer, etc. etc., you could still be out thousands of dollars in legal fees.

    So they mostly focus on heavy downloaders since suing a single mom for something the teenage neighbor downloaded thru their unsecured wi-fi is bad publicity

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  68. Re:I can't wait until their first false positive.. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    From a company that allegedly (*snicker*) has had nothing but losses over losses during the past years? Can't squeeze blood from a turnip.

    That whole letterbox corp is a sham if there ever was one. It's basically the MAFIAA finding out just how far it can go and how many laws it can break and flaunt it before some governmental body can't look the other way anymore. Then we have established what we may really do.

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  69. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

    vpn use is big with corp travellers. lots of people know about them.

    true, lots don't but I do expect people to hear more about this as time goes on, and if the media ever grows a pair of stugots, maybe they can start INFORMING people how to defend themselves against all the spying going on.

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  70. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

    Now, I saw your later corrected post, so I don't mean to lay it on with all the others, but...

    If copyright infringement and theft are to be equated, then when I rob a bank, how do I get the prosecutor to charge me with copyright infringement?

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  71. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to by ReluctantRefactorer · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's worked for Jaguar, copying Aston Martin ... save on those design and prototyping costs.
    So, instead of having a $200k Aston, you get an $80k Jag.

    The chief designer at Jaguar is Ian Callum, who previously designed for Aston Martin.

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  72. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who cares if you are guilty or not, they clearly don't. Actually this type of hacking would very easily fall under the Computer Fraud act. Whoever at rightcorp did it would be in risk of jail time.

    The lawsuits would be damn near immediate, look at how much Sony paid for the trojan they deployed on music CD's and it arguably did less damage.

  73. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Slide into oblivion?" In this case, more like firebombing their offices and making good use of our Second Amendment rights.

    We have always wanted to know where to find a ransom ware operator, and now we have one who self-identifies.

  74. "Browser hijack" is the dumbed-down (wrong) phrase by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    For everyone screaming "How will that work?! That's illegal! It's hacking!" they are not planning to "h[ij]ack your browser."

    They want ISPs' cooperation to hijack and futz with browser traffic and insert popups and warnings and the like.

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  75. Rightscorp are the same as patent trolls by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    They hold no intellectual property of their own, they're scummy fucking bandwaggoners. They come anywhere near me, I will ram their malware so far up their arses I will hit teeth.

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  76. Piracy by bluegutang · · Score: 1

    Could there be a better example of *actual* piracy than hijacking somebody's ship^Wbrowser?

  77. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by omnichad · · Score: 1

    designing it

    Design is a bit of a strong word. The English language is crowd-sourced open source (unlike French). And with all the bugs and "features" present, it shows.

  78. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by omnichad · · Score: 2

    I'd go the "rip the copy you legally bought into another format" route

    That's the one problem in the US. The DMCA makes that illegal too.

  79. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    Chaucer.

    Shakespeare came much later.

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  80. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Making or downloading a copy is generally not a criminal action. Distributing a copy is the criminal action.

    But thanks to protocols like Bittorrent, you generally don't just download without also helping with distributing. So you violate both.

    you could still be out thousands of dollars in legal fees.

    And computer hardware.

  81. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by omnichad · · Score: 1

    You filmed it in HD the SD version cost more as it if to be cut down.

    Worse, they filmed it in 4K (or 35mm with at least that much visual data). So just wait for there to be 3 tiers in every digital venue.

  82. Re:What happens when? by mlts · · Score: 1

    There are also businesses that use ISPs. What happens if a store loses its method of processing credit card orders? Of course, they can pull out the ka-chunk machines and paper, but there will definitely be revenue lost.

    No ISP in their right mind will pull a link on a business without more than just the word of a third party. Either it will be a succession of strikes or a court order.

  83. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by omnichad · · Score: 2

    After all, why would you just assume that you can use those ideas without compensating their "owners"?

    Because those were protected by patents rather than copyright, and the protection has expired.

  84. GO GO SSL Everywhere by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    Have to admit I was never a big fan of TLS everywhere.. I think permissionless access without unnecessary dependencies on trust providers is worth more to the Internet than privacy or guarantees on integrity of information in some contexts.

    However sometimes I find myself rooting for it because of crap like this. If everyone uses HTTPS the browser hijacks schemes various ISPs have employed no longer work at all. Even today that increasingly nobody is even likely to ever see these messages I happen to think is rather amusing.

    The typical experience will end up being customers calling in pissed the Internet is down, waste all kinds of a low paid CSRs time and god forbid there is any competition in the market cancel service upon learning the reason Internet doesn't work is because it was intentionally sabotaged.

  85. RICO violation by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 1

    We'll be watching you
    Every breath you take and every move you make
    Every law you break, every browser you take (We'll be watching you)
    Every single day and every suit you lay (We'll be watching you)

    This company makes so many wrong moves and has set such precedent for losses I would hope every wrongfully blocked browser results in punitive damages in the hundreds of thousands for willfully violating the law and violating the computers integrity of those wrongfully blocked. There is federal law to turn on them for a change. They will have 'damaged' the affected computers without due process or service. and the demand for money puts them in the category of racketeering subject to RICO in my opinion.

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  86. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by wierd_w · · Score: 3, Funny

    Your argument it twisted beyond all reason.

    While true that the GPL makes use of copyright law to have power behind it, the purpose of the license is to be a bullwark against the kind of madness that Rightscorp and pals are up to.

    Also, with software the potential to completely rebrand the code under a completely new name and claim it as new and proprietary exists. THAT is what the GPL is out to stop. Not small scale redistribution. Last I checked, music pirates arent out taking EG, Madonna's album backlog and reselling them wholesale under a fake artists name and claiming them as original works. The closest you are going to find in that vein is the "club mix" scene. The club mixers are a tiny minority of "music pirates" though, and NOT who rightscorp and their ilk are targeting here.

    Like most copyright shills you fail to see the forest for the trees.

    The GPL exists because of copyright bullshit, for the purposes of preventing software freedoms from being trampled on.

    Without copyright bullshit, there would be no need for it, and free software makers would use BSD license instead.

  87. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Back in the 80's I wouldn't hire anyone who hadn't been arrested for civil disobedience in the 50's, 60's or 70's...

    Take up a job in a field where people have the same ideals as you. Fly the "Pirate" flag as a badge of honor. There are even political parties that do so... Ninja the lawsuit and use it to promote a go-fund-me to promote the root-kit practices of evil copyright profiteers.

    Fear is only as powerful as you let it be.

  88. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by StayFrosty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder why the feds aren't pursuing RICO charges. This is racketeering plain and simple.

    Oh wait, follow the money.

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  89. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by wierd_w · · Score: 1

    I hate to think this way, because it kills brain cells and makes me dumber-- but:

    There *IS* something that gets consumed (in the scarcity sense) from being exposed to media. That being, the original state of having never been exposed to that media. A kind of media "virginity."

    That "virginity" is valuable to media companies. Without it, they have a much more difficult time monetizing known lacklustre properties, like shitty movies and album filler music. A public that has lost that virginity wont go see the shitty flop of a movie in the theater, so the media company loses money when they invest poorly in a script, etc.

    This is the single biggest thing that gets lost from things like theater cams.

    A theater cam is in no way a suitable substitute for a quality theater experience. What it DOES do is let you know if you will get a good show at the theater without having to drop the theater showing cash. It lets you go to the movie being an old whore, and not a niave virgin.

    The media companies, naturally, hate that.

  90. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    A lot of stories have been drawing that kinds of reaction lately :)

  91. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by BitterOak · · Score: 1

    I think we can all agree that consumption of that intellectual property without consent is theft

    No, it's not theft, it's copyright violation. There's no good reason to confuse the two concepts.

    Wrong again. "Consumption of intellectual property without consent" isn't copyright violation. Copying intellectual property without consent is. Or to be more precise: copying copyrighted material without consent is copyright violation.

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  92. Two "Wrongs" Don't Make A "Right" ... by ytene · · Score: 2

    The US has a similar law. This would absolutely be "tampering with the normal operation of a computer". The point here is that no matter whether or not the owner/user of the computer had provably committed copyright theft [which we still have no transparent way of evaluating] then the act of tampering with that computer constitutes a completely separate criminal act. A Federal crime in the US, no less. This is one of those "Two Wrongs Don't Make a Right" scenarios...

  93. This is blackmail, serious legal probems by evolutionary · · Score: 1

    This is a classic case of "let's do something illegal to deal with someone suspected of doing something illegal". Wouldn't it be ironic of someone targeted them with ransomware, which is what they are making anyway. If ISP's "went along", they would be an accomplice to blackmail.

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  94. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am guessing they are relying on the old "make the cost less than that of hiring a lawyer" strategy that patent trolls use.

    This is EXACTLY what they are counting on. Suppose I were sued for downloading/distributing Random Movie via this method. They lock my browser (how, I have no clue) and I can't go online. Now, let's also suppose that I was innocent. Perhaps their software was flawed (I was distributing a public domain movie clip called "Just Another Random Movie") or maybe there was a typo in the IP address entry (entered .215 when they should have entered .251). In any event, they were accusing me without merit.

    My recourse would be to respond to their accusation by hiring a lawyer, mounting a "Not Guilty" defense, and hoping that they didn't sway the judge with technical sounding (but ultimately false) evidence. I'd have to hope that my lawyer would work pro-bono during this case, would need to endure the media looking into my private life and labeling me some sort of hacker/pirate (and all the fallout that would cause professionally), and would need to dedicate a lot of time/effort/stress to my defense.

    Or I could take a quick, relatively inexpensive settlement and avoid all that.

    Sadly, most people would take the settlement so they could just get on with their lives. I know I'd be very tempted to sign it.

    It's legalized Mafia tactics. "That's a nice life you have there. It'd be a shame if your reputation were dragged through the mud, you lost your job, tons of cash, and years of your life to a lawsuit. Just sign here and you'll be 'protected' against all that from happening. If not..." *knocks browser off shelf, shattering it to a million pieces to prove a point*

    It's funny - the older I get, the more tempted I am, should this happen to me, of taking matters in my own hands and solving a whole lot of other people's problems - if you catch my drift. I mean, if they're gonna fuck up my life beyond repair, and I've only got a decade or so left anyway, why not go out with a bunch of folks grateful for what I did to get justice? I might die, I might end up in prison for a few years before I croak. I can't be the only one who feels this way.

  95. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Khyber · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Well... if the person actually IS distributing copyrighted material that would come out in court if they decide to fight..."

    No, what you do is file criminal charges with the DA for violation of the CFAA, Hacking, and Extortion. They won't be able to use copyright as a defense as copyright is not an affirmative defense against the elements of the crime under any of those crimes listed. You can easily prove those elements of the crime (your computer is all the evidence you need) and their ass is sunk. Their copyright claim won't matter for shit, because they'll be too busy defending themselves against the massive onslaught of criminal suits.

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  96. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

    Sounds like they need an offshore shell corporation to do the hacking for them.

  97. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by tibit · · Score: 1

    Frankly said, is there anything that's reasonably hot/current in the content world that isn't for purchase on U.S. iTunes? These days, for current releases, iTunes is way less hassle than bittorrent...

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  98. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My recourse would be to respond to their accusation by hiring a lawyer,

    Good luck finding a capable lawyer and case law for that purpose without using your now locked browser.

  99. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    I don't think I'd pay a Chaucer tax. His design sounds like gibberish.

    "Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote
    The droghte of March hath perced to the roote"

    I mean, who talks like that? I'm already working on submitting defects. I just need to know who to send them to.

  100. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I keep trying, but every time I microwave a DVD it catches fire.

  101. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by bipbop · · Score: 1

    The influence of l'Académie française is vastly overstated. Like all other natural languages, French came about naturally rather than by design. In no real sense do they control or design the French language.

  102. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is not theft, it is infringement.

    Theft prevents their enjoyment of their goods and services. In no way is someone deprived of their work by copying a file using your own resources onto your own media with your own time.

    What they might not do is profit from that work. Fair enough. And that's why the law exists, to allow that to be captured for a limited time.

    But make no mistake, if the law did not exist, someone making a copy of what I happen to own, using their own time and materials, would not be an offense and happens in many ways even today. That's because you making a copy of my car doesn't keep me from using my car. It might cut the business for my taxi service in half, if two people in my town now have cars, but that is an entirely separate story. You could additionally argue that a town would be better served by having more than one taxi available, which serves a societal purpose which is higher than letting me become obscenely rich by being the only one allowed to have a car.

    Of course, I can't condone the practice of not paying for software that someone else wrote. After all, I do derive my living from software sales.

    Nevertheless, I wouldn't consider that to be theft. Instead, it would be more like a disincentive for me to produce more software. If that is the case, then the "pirates" hurt themselves in the process by removing people from the software industry that might give them what they want.

    I don't think software copyright infringement is worth people losing serious civil rights over. I think there are enough adults in the world who will buy software because they know that it supports the creators and they want the support or the game titles to keep coming. I have little sympathy for a Sony or another company who needs to lay the smackdown on some kid or his parents somewhere so they can make that much more money on a game they already made millions on.

    Yes, you must protect and defend your copyright and trademarks, but we're talking about preventing something like widespread distribution of your software under a different name while you did nothing about it. Nothing about copyright defense requires that you go to the levels suggested by Rightscorp.

    And I have an enormous problem with the idea of breaking someone else's computer purposely, as that comes closer to actual theft than any sort of copyright infringement ever has. As laughable as the idea of "locking your browser" is, even considering that line of attack as a valid one puts these people squarely in the same vein of black hats who run data ransom scams. It shows the level of ridiculousness that the line of thought that infringement == theft leads one to.

  103. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    You can blather on all you want. Infringement is not theft and never will be. Calling it theft only makes you look stupid and ends the conversation.

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  104. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Informative

    It goes way beyond "malware." In my State, it is a felony.

    (3) Any person who knowingly and without authorization alters, damages or destroys any computer, computer system, computer network, or any computer software, program, documentation or data contained in such computer, computer system or computer network, commits computer crime.
    ...
    (5)(a) A violation of the provisions of subsection (2) or (3) of this section shall be a Class C felony. ...

    There is no exception for, "I thought he committed a civil tort against me." Even if they sue you for copyright infringement and win, they still can't alter your computer without a very specific court order.

  105. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    No, it goes quite the other way; if they commit a felony alteration to my computer, then they have "unclean hands" regarding the whole matter, and they won't be able to sue me. Crimes heavily outweigh torts, and in this case it is related because the crime would be retaliation for a perceived tort that hadn't been adjudicated.

  106. Sony Rootkit, anyone? by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

    I don't play games or pirate music or movies, but the arrogance of Rightscorp with this extortion parallels Sony when they quietly released their rootkit. I for one would not be shy in informing each and every client of Rightscorp that I will cease to patronize their business if this gets in the wild.

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  107. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Lots of people feel that way, that's why we have so much gun violence.

    People even kill themselves to try to get attention to a cause.

    Neither approach is effective at gaining interest in your cause, though it might indeed rally people to the opposing cause. But only if they already felt that way but didn't care very much.

  108. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by jonwil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Until the copyright cartel get a narrow law passed stating that things that would otherwise be a CFAA violation or hacking or whatever aren't in fact illegal if they are being done in connection with enforcing copyrights.

  109. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by currently_awake · · Score: 1

    Losing the copyright case costs you money, losing an extortion case puts them in jail. What happens if someone is willing to make that trade?

  110. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by currently_awake · · Score: 1

    You forgot 'copyright infringement is not piracy' on your list. The copyright cartels work very hard to trick or convince people that copyright infringement (equivalent to graffiti) is a huge crime deserving of serious criminal persecution.

  111. Hijack a browser on my cloud VM? by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    Oh no! I'm quaking in my boots. I might have to use another browser, or start another VM on another service, or on a local Linux VM before I copy the file to dropbox. Oh, the humanity...

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    1. Re:Hijack a browser on my cloud VM? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      The summary sucks - they are redirecting traffic so using a different web browser does not help.

  112. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

    I have to call bullshit on that. While you do get sparkling goodness (and a nasty stench) there isn't any fire.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  113. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Cito · · Score: 1

    I agree, even if my mother or my son worked for them I'd still McVeigh that sumbitch.

  114. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by KGIII · · Score: 1

    A part of me wants to go pirating and have this browser hijack happen to me - just so that I have standing and can take it to court. I've got a few dollars, it'd be worth it to see the case play out. I even have some lawyer friends who will be more than happy to lend me a hand at reasonable costs.

    I suppose I'll need to use Windows for that. 'Cause, good luck trying to lock my jailed browser. That's just not gonna work very well. Hell, if I double check --help, I'm pretty sure that any file I even *saved* while running it in a jail would be deleted when I closed it. Even if I saved them to a different directory. Hmm... I guess I could save them to a drive and then unmount the drive - I might be able to get past it that way.

    At any rate, I've got CPU cycles and disk space. I suppose I could get a Windows VM up and running. Now, what to pirate? I suppose I'd have to pirate something popular and be really obvious about it. Dead Pool wasn't bad. I've got a friend in the distribution industry (and another in the theater industry) and two relatives who work in the production industry. I don't know how much help they'll give me but the guy who owns a couple of theaters has let me get away with a few interesting (not really piracy-related) things in the past.

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  115. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by KGIII · · Score: 1

    This is Slashdot. Not only would that be unlikely to hinder any of us for very long, we all have multiple devices and multiple browsers. I do mean all of us. A good half of us probably have a browser loaded onto something never meant to have a browser in the first place. Sure, it might be in plain text or we might need to use CURL but, damn it, we can still get our messages out.

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  116. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by KGIII · · Score: 3, Informative

    *whistles innocently*

    http://john.bitsurge.net/publi...

    (Add that to your blocklist - set to automatically update.)

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  117. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Yup. There is a loss, it's called potential. It actually is a balance sheet item but hard to put an exact number to. It has lots of names, like "anticipated growth" or "market segment." But, it's there, it exists, and is as real as most anything. It's easy to ignore, easy to deny, and most pirates seem disinclined to be intellectually honest.

    Yes, yes I do pirate. Worse, I've amply money to pay for things that I consume. I do have things like paid Netflix and Hulu subscriptions but I haven't used either in months. I'd probably pay handsomely for a service that combined it all and just charged me whatever and made it a functional site with a variety of options. I've gone into the details before but I don't think I'll bother with that tonight.

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  118. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by KGIII · · Score: 1

    > Making or downloading a copy is generally not a criminal action.

    Maybe - until you throw the DMCA on top of it. At that point, chances are, you're circumventing and that is, in itself, a criminal act.

    This should not be read to say that I agree with the DMCA, it's just a statement as to the matter of legality.

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  119. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by wvmarle · · Score: 1

    I am guessing they are relying on the old "make the cost less than that of hiring a lawyer" strategy that patent trolls use.

    This is EXACTLY what they are counting on. Suppose I were sued for downloading/distributing Random Movie via this method. They lock my browser (how, I have no clue) and I can't go online.

    This is where te cooperation with ISPs as mentioned in TFS comes in play of course. They want them to cut your internet connection until you pay, and I'm guessing the ISPs will be offered a share of the proceeds for there help.

  120. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by wvmarle · · Score: 1

    there/their proofreading fail :-(

  121. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by wvmarle · · Score: 1

    they still can't alter your computer without a very specific court order.

    That's why they won't. They'll ask your ISP to disconnect you. Much simpler.

  122. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by slazzy · · Score: 1

    Nope, system restore would be a quick fix for average folk. Personally I'd just delete the VM I'm in and start a new one.

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  123. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by dbIII · · Score: 1

    A good half of us probably have a browser loaded onto something never meant to have a browser in the first place

    A science fiction novel I read recently had the protagonists break into a car to use a GPS to do a google search because they didn't want to turn their phones on and be tracked.

  124. "Extract cash from suspected pirates" by jxander · · Score: 1

    Right there in TFS.

    How is that even remotely legal? I could almost understand if they were trying to get fines from confirmed and convicted pirates. I certainly wouldn't support such behavior, but I would understand it.

    But this? This is a clear violation of due process.

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  125. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Good point, but these losers keep on pushing hard to make copyright issues a criminal matter so in some places their felony may not be enough to throw the case out.

  126. It's better and worse than that by dbIII · · Score: 1

    They are not installing malware into a browser or system.
    They are redirecting traffic so that when you request web pages you can only get to their server.

    For it to work they need your ISP to assist, which sucks in every way since they could block your email, VPNs, or anything else if they wanted as well. Tunnelling through allowed ports (eg. back in the day I used get ftp access via email) is hard when they own the only endpoints you can get to and everything else is blocked.

    It is feasible but only if they can force or convince the ISP to do it.

  127. "Cancel my account." by jcr · · Score: 1

    That's all you need to do when any ISP plays along with this bullshit.

    -jcr

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  128. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Notice the identity in "pushing hard to make [some law]?" The pushing is a thing, but the law isn't one. So it is just hand-waving to continue from there and analyze it as if it is a thing.

    Another thing we have in my State: direct democracy. That law might not have much chance of surviving a vote of the People. And in my State, the legislature only does routine or finance-related things; controversial bills get referred directly to the ballot, because when laws have been repealed the lawmakers who voted for those laws get primaried. (100%; both parties. No lawmaker who voted "yes" on a law later repealed has stood in the general election as an incumbent. That goes back over 100 years now, since we established direct voting.)

  129. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    Ok, and how do they determine what I'm torrenting? Will they hack my browser for downloading Ubuntu? or Battlefield? or any number of peer-to-peer updating software?

    How will they catch those that are simply streaming from legitimate sources and recording the screen?

    Oh, come now. Every one knows there are no lawful uses of torrent it's purely for nefarious online crime. In fact even being aware of it makes you a pirate, pay up Mr.....Anonymous Coward, wait, damn.

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  130. Lock my browser? by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Hoo hoo hoo! :)

    Really? This is hardly scary, and only effective against the most inept likely, which probably couldn't figure out out to torrent anything in the first place. I suspect most ransomware is used against older non-tech savvy folks, which isn't really the pirating demographic anyway.

    I mean, there are so many ways to potentially defeat their "technology". Clearing you settings, using a different browser, re-installing you browser, re-installing your OS, likely would be picked up by various anti malware/adware/virus scan for removal... All of which might be irritating, but none of which are really all that hard to do.

    Unless they really do something at the ISP level, that is less in your control, all they can really do is be annoying.

    Though as many point out the dubious legality of all this anyway.

  131. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    It's not circumvention to get an unrestricted copy of something. You might be able to make a fair use defense if you downloaded nothing but what you had legitimately acquired.

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  132. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

    Actually, many of the same laws put on the books to combat those tactics by the Mafia could likely be used here, which means that we're talking criminal court instead of civil since extortion is extortion is extortion. The question of if the person who is being extorted did something illegal is irrelevant...and the fun thing is that if their clients can be in any sense construed as having approved/taken part in this behavior...well, guess who gets to join them on the stand? Here, the PR does matter: do you want to risk being on trial because the people you hired weren't willing to pass their bright ideas in front of competent lawyers and listen when told it is not actually legal? Who basically decided to follow the rule that it's only illegal if you get caught? Even if they do think they could bribe their way out of legal consequences, it's not exactly ideal to be having that be caused by idiot sub-minions. It burns through favors and money you could have used to get out of trouble you got yourself into.

  133. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by AC5398 · · Score: 1

    EMI released a trojan on their CDs that frakked up the sound drivers on PCs. It happened to me. My crime? I bought one of Leahy's frakking CDs.

    I never made that mistake again. No more Leahy purchaes, no more EMI purchases.

  134. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    This would be nice except it could be sidelined by the MPAA member companies (and other big content owners) donating large funds to politicians to make this extortion scheme legal. At the very least, they could have their politicians work their influence to make sure that no "MPAA extortion scheme" sees the light of day or that, if it does, they are given a cheapo plea bargain deal that requires no admission of guilt. "We'll settle without saying we did anything wrong and will pay $1 million. In unrelated news, we expect to pull in $2 million from the next batch of victims."

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  135. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by partofthepuzzle · · Score: 1

    >They lock my browser (how, I have no clue)

    The ISP hijacks the browser (after being bullied or bribed by Rightscorp). I've seen AT&T do this if you get behind on your service payments. Rightscorp could work out a kickback (er, revenue sharing) scheme with the ISP.

  136. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by partofthepuzzle · · Score: 1

    The ISP can grab you're initial connection to their servers (before you connect to the VPN servers) and inject anything they want. This has nothing to with packet inspection or whether you're torrenting.

  137. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by partofthepuzzle · · Score: 1

    AT&T does this when you're behind in your account and puts up a web page about it, telling you how to contact them to get your service restored, etc.

  138. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Samizdata · · Score: 1

    Yes they want to bypass it. Comcast will disconnect you if they think you have too many copyright violations. It is just another added step to "fine you" to allow your access to remain. This is coming no matter what people think. The days of open Internet are coming to a close. The next step will only allow people to connect to the Internet via "approved" devices.

    But I don't WANT a Mac/iPad!

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  139. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Samizdata · · Score: 1

    I use a VPN on my bloody tablet. If I am going to be going around on public WiFi a lot, I don't want to have to worry about some punk with a sniffer.

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  140. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Samizdata · · Score: 1

    they still can't alter your computer without a very specific court order.

    That's why they won't. They'll ask your ISP to disconnect you. Much simpler.

    Why THAT won't stop ME! I'll just get another ISP! The free market and FCC guarantee me multiple broadband opt... oh...

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  141. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by Samizdata · · Score: 1

    Just submit a pull request to the repo already.

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  142. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

    It's already illegal, chanimg the law won't really save them because that generally isn't retroactive, and with the PR issues the case and the legalization effort would bring, the odds are that it'll be vastly more than they can actually afford which has already happened to them.

    Throwing Rightscorp under a bus, however, will be cheap and do an equally good job of saving their rears. It would also leave Rightscorp facing the court by itself without the aid of the powerful friends it almost certainly was expecting to have in order to try to convince the courts this isn't a new version of the already tested threatening letter routine...

  143. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

    I'm going to call bullshit again.

  144. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

    RICO requires criminal convictions.

    Otherwise I suspect they probably could.

    Mind you, as soon as there's a criminal conviction for the shakedown operations (Prenda?) then the RICO path may well be open.

  145. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to d by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

    That's a nice computer you have there. Would be a real shame if something were to happen to it......

  146. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Methadras · · Score: 1

    Sounds like it, but it's probable just two or three guys doing all the dirty work and the rest comes out of india. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

  147. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    You take that to the next step and under US conspiracy laws, they have already committed a crime with their demonstrated intent to commit the crime of computer fraud and should be prosecuted for that conspiracy, especially for any tools they have already produced with the intent to commit the crime, they have publicly announced, they intend to commit.

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  148. Re: If ever a company and its people deserved to by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    It could also be a way for the MPAA to test the waters for anti-piracy laws even further in their favor. If RightsCorp succeeds and their browser hijacking program is upheld as legal (remote chance but still a possibility), the MPAA steps in with their own "cut off the pirates" programs. If RightsCorp fails (as is likely) and is torn to shreds by the courts, the MPAA gasps in feigned shock about how anyone would think that a program like this would be allowed. Then they scale back their plans a bit until they find out just how far they can push it and still be allowed.

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  149. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Because everyone only has one browser. On one device. Sorry I realise that's totally obvious but you didn't say it.

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  150. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if you could also take them to civil court for depriving you of something you paid for; your computer.

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  151. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    If you run the VPN over TCP/443, it won't get dropped, but the other end has to cooperate on that configuration.

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  152. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Um, since when did a DMCA notice come with a bill attached? This is exactly not how DMCA works, the DMCA allows you to respond saying you don't believe your media infringes, and if the would liek to sue you, here is your address. There is nothing stopping you from defending your usage in court, and likely you would win if it really didn't infringe.

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  153. Re:If ever a company and its people deserved to di by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    It doesn't really matter who you have on your side when you are clearly breaking the law.

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  154. Uhhhhh... No. by s13g3 · · Score: 1

    Last I checked, RightsCorp is not a law enforcement agency, and thus has precisely zero Rights as a Corp to do any such thing with my personal, private property based on their suspicions or accusations. This proposal on their part would amount to trespassing, theft, extortion, and racketeering at the very least.

    I don't care what you think I've done, or what I've actually done. My neighbor has no more right to break into my home (except in clear emergencies, or to stop/prevent the commission of a forcible felony) and hold my stuff hostage until I pay them money any more than RightsCorp or any other person or business does, which is precisely what they're stating their intention to do here. Even IF I had committed the crime in question, it's up to LAW ENFORCEMENT to investigate and prosecute, not individuals or private entities. The private business can investigate all it likes - within the limits of the law, and with/by licensed private investigators - but not violate my private, personal property and privacy rights. They could film video of me pirating and then watching said pirated movie and STILL not have a single shred of authority to do what they are proposing here.

    RightsCorp has long needed to change their name to something less deceitful like "WrongsCorp", but with this, they're trying even harder to earn the title "RightsViolationsCorp", and I hope they get slapped down hard, if not permanently, when they overstep their "rights" with this.

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  155. I believe this would be illegal by herbierobinson · · Score: 1

    I believe that doing something like that would violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Even if the ISP does it. An ISP could shut off the connection, but they don't have the authority to hack into anybody's computer.

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