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Microsoft's New AI Mistakenly Identifies Photos, Ignores Hitler (mashable.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Microsoft's newest online AI, CaptionBot, tries to identify what's in an uploaded photo, using two recognition APIs recently released by Microsoft Cognitive Services for app developers-- "Computer Vision" and "Emotion". But while Microsoft brags that their AI "can understand thousands of objects, as well as the relationships between them," bloggers are also sharing funny examples of CaptionBot's many mistakes. While it correctly identified Bea Arthur, Ozzy Osbourne and Joan Jett, and a movie poster with Arnold Schwarzenegger, it mistakenly identified Gene Simmons of KISS as "a woman in a red jacket...sitting on a motorcycle," described a wedding dress as "a cat wearing a tie," mistook Michelle Obama for a cellphone, and described one man's Twitter avatar as "a close up of two giraffes near a tree."

But CNNMoney reports that the AI is apparently programmed to ignore all images of Hitler and other Nazi symbolism (as well as Osama bin Laden), reporting that Microsoft's AI "often came back with 'I really can't describe the picture' and a confused emoji. It did, however, identify other Nazi leaders like Joseph Mengele and Joseph Goebbels."

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  1. I'd say by bferrell · · Score: 4, Funny

    They don't want another nazi-bot

    1. Re:I'd say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Computers are inherently racist because they don't understand what it's like being black.

    2. Re:I'd say by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      Also reminds me of the Coca-Cola image generator that had a big blacklist of words you couldn't put in the captions. Here the AI is writing the captions, but seems a similar blacklist idea.

    3. Re:I'd say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Computers are inherently racist because they don't understand what it's like being black.

      Doesn't help that crime and education statistics reinforce the negative stereotypes about black Americans. When all the machine looks at is data, all it will get is conclusions from data.

    4. Re:I'd say by sittingnut · · Score: 1

      in /. sarcasm needs to be captioned.

      since not only so called AI but even human intelligence fails here.

    5. Re:I'd say by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      I'm white, therefore I can not understand what it's like being black.

      Does that make me racist, a computer, or both?

    6. Re:I'd say by Lorens · · Score: 1

      Of course they don't want another Tay, but the fun thing is that apparently is *does* recognize Hitler and then refuses to say anything at all about the picture. Otherwise the bot would just say "a portrait photo of a man", or "a man with a toothbrush mustache". Compare with the last example in TFA when the bot takes a very cluttered image and somewhat correctly identifies it as not exceedingly happy people sitting at tables.

    7. Re:I'd say by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Except for IBM mainframes. Support diversity, buy IBM mainframes!

      Oh, wait...

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    8. Re:I'd say by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Well, since Rachel Dolezal isn't black, it follows from that that she can't understand what she's talking about. Sounds logically consistent to me...? Since it seems she really doesn't.

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    9. Re:I'd say by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      A big black list? Oh my. That sounds...interesting.

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    10. Re:I'd say by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I have a black computer, you insensitive clod.

      Always wanted to have a black one work for me. Oddly, though, if the workload gets higher it just starts to hum. Wonder if I have to whip it to make it sing.

      (Hey, what, that was no racist joke. On a scale from black to white, this was Mexican. Tops)

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    11. Re:I'd say by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If feminist speeches are any indicator, extrapolating from that it would mean you're racist, a computer and must stop eating melons.

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    12. Re:I'd say by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Is it me or would a blacklist for words that are associated with a racist regime be hilarious?

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    13. Re:I'd say by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Darn. I like melons.

    14. Re:I'd say by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I did Nazi that coming...

      *is not proud of his behavior*

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    15. Re:I'd say by KGIII · · Score: 1

      > On a scale from black to white, this was Mexican.

      Does that mean you keep it clean? You know, maybe Spic-n-Span clean? I guess, maybe, if you had liquid cooling and there was some condensation then it could have a wet back?

      On a more serious note, if I were into putting bumper stickers on my cars (and I am not - not now, I did when I was younger and didn't care about keeping them) I'd seriously consider getting a bumper sticker that says, "Jesus is my gardener." Yeah, it'd piss off all sorts of people. Some folks would laugh for the wrong reason. Some would laugh for the right reason. Some would be baffled when they notice the color of my skin. ;-)

      I'm most definitely not white. I'm not really sure how to describe me but white is not a word that I'd use. I'm kind of brown(ish). I'm mostly Amerindian (Micmac tribe) and some Black African and some White European. Mostly, I am a mutt. It makes it really hard to fill in paperwork that asks for my race. Sometimes, I check 'em all. Sometimes I check the "other" option and write in "human." A few times, I've written my race as "Davidian." I'm reasonably certain that I'm about as minority as minority can be, however. While there do seem to be a lot of Davids, there are very few that are like me in genetic makeup.

      Now I'm reminded of the KitH skit...

      "These are the Dave's I know, I know. These are the Dave's I know. Some of them are David and some of them are Dave..."

      That was actually a good television show. But, like almost always, I digress.

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    16. Re: I'd say by KGIII · · Score: 1

      This is true. I'm part black and I'm hung like a wild-studded gerbil. And I don't mean ¼" from the ground. :( Ah well... The missus says he's cute. Then he spits at her.

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    17. Re:I'd say by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sorry dude, it's the law. A white guy must be racist and any guy must be misogynist. Took me a while to get used to it but once you're accustomed to being a racist woman hater it's not that bad. I can't shave with a straight razor anymore 'cause I fear I might off that asshole, but that's a small price to pay to fit into the politically correct paradigm again.

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    18. Re:I'd say by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      But my computer is black. Black case, Black edition motherboard and black edition processor.

      I even installed http://www.blacklablinux.org/ to be sure it was completely black.

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    19. Re:I'd say by Alomex · · Score: 1

      No, no, you must self-classify in a government document according to some arbitrary race classification and make that your identity. It makes this country of ours so much fairer and so unlike South Africa during Apartheid.

    20. Re:I'd say by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry dude, it's the law. A white guy must be racist and any guy must be misogynist.

      And yet I'm a white guy who doesn't seem to run into accusations of either racism or chauvinism. It makes me wonder if all the people who complain about being harassed by the politically correct hordes are, in fact, the innocent victims they try to present themselves as.

      Took me a while to get used to it but once you're accustomed to being a racist woman hater it's not that bad. I can't shave with a straight razor anymore 'cause I fear I might off that asshole, but that's a small price to pay to fit into the politically correct paradigm again.

      Your bravery is an inspiration to us all.

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    21. Re:I'd say by paiute · · Score: 1

      Black Americans commit a vastly larger number of crimes than any other demographic.

      "Commit"? Or are they disproportionately stopped and searched? Are blacks and whites prosecuted with equal vigor and under the same charges for the same transgressions? The a lot of little factors sum up to "commit" data, one way or the other.

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    22. Re:I'd say by retchdog · · Score: 1

      And according to the fundamentalists, we're all hell-bound sinners or worse. The same strategy applies to dealing with any fundamentalist: ignore them except to mock. Complaining about it just means you're indirectly taking their message to heart.

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    23. Re:I'd say by retchdog · · Score: 1

      All I could think of while reading this screed was "Old Man Yells at Cloud". Really, your pareidolia is just reaching crazy levels. It's like you're staring that picture which resembles either a vase or two faces in profile, and frothing with yourself about which one to believe in. Relax, take a step back, and you'll realize it's just a picture you can walk away from. Do your work and make your money and leave politics to other people. You've never mentioned any real repercussions to any of the "errors" you've committed.

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    24. Re:I'd say by Moflamby-2042 · · Score: 1

      > "Commit"? Or are they disproportionately stopped and searched?

      Rapes, murders and other violent crime aren't dependent on "unfair stops and searches" though, which leads me to believe unfair stops and searches are probably not the root cause of the other cases either.

    25. Re:I'd say by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Guys guys guys .... can't we just be both?

    26. Re: I'd say by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Rachel Dolezal Bot

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    27. Re:I'd say by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      It's safe to say that people that live in, or frequent, poor communities are disproportionately stopped and searched.

      It's sad that many black people live in these communities for the sake of rejecting what they perceive as 'white culture' aka, 'education'.

      Education and success are not white attributes, or every trailer court would be a castle. Everyone seems to forget that the Good Reverend Martin Luther King Junior was also the Good *Doctor*, Martin Luther King Junior. When black people stop rejecting education en-masse then we will see those stats alter.

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    28. Re:I'd say by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      It's sad that many black people live in these communities for the sake of various historical artifacts of racism, including red-lining, predatory lending, discrimination in hiring and salary, etc.

      FTFY.

      Everyone seems to forget that the Good Reverend Martin Luther King Junior was also the Good *Doctor*, Martin Luther King Junior.

      Even Dr. King lived in relatively shitty neighborhoods compared to his white PhD counterparts. He lived in Sweet Auburn because he was not allowed by the white establishment to live in Midtown or Buckhead. And when Sweet Auburn started getting too uppit... er, "affluent," that same white establishment bulldozed it to put the fucking freeway though it. That's why the Grady Curve exists -- they could have easily built the freeway straight, but that would have left "the richest Negro street in the world" intact, which was clearly an intolerable situation.

      (Note: I am a native Atlantan and know very well what I'm talking about.)

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    29. Re:I'd say by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Learn to spell before implying that your race is superior.

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    30. Re:I'd say by ultranova · · Score: 2

      Maybe you didn't get the memo, but according to the new wave of feminists, ALL men are chauvinistic pigs and ALL men are teh evilz who have nothing other to do than keep the females of the species down.

      And yet it seems only SOME men are actually accused of such things.

      You play video games? You watch movies? All of them chauvinistic and misogynist, so you are one of us.

      I play video games and occasionally watch movies. So there must be some other variable to account for these differences in our experiences. I wonder what it could possibly be?

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    31. Re:I'd say by ultranova · · Score: 2

      You cannot mention any "racist" facts without threatening your livelihood and worse.

      Anon, I think you nailed the issue. Having to keep your racist, sexist bullshit to yourself because people call you out if you try to spread it is what all this whining is ultimately about. My heart bleeds for your plight.

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    32. Re:I'd say by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Quite fitting, the whole shit has taken on religious proportions anyway, it's become a substitute religion for those that can't get enough of arbitrary statements and nonsensical accusations.

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    33. Re:I'd say by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nah, that's enough. Actually, you're a man, that's allegedly already enough. But you watch movies and play games, so you simply have to be.

      Don't you watch any feminist videos, dude? Seriously, do it, great entertainment.

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    34. Re:I'd say by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Well, older IDE hard drives did have a master/slave relationship.

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    35. Re:I'd say by samwichse · · Score: 1

      ultranova, I like your style.

  2. Re:Cellphones were notably offended by JustOK · · Score: 2

    But then the FBI came along, and then all the smart phones were like, "we were totally wrong. everything is fine. we're sorry. government is good."

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  3. Digital unintelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They should call it artificial dogma rather than intelligence.

    1. Re:Digital unintelligence by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Both Microsoft and Google's varieties are rather fun.

      The key to CaptionBot is to feed it lots of images, and always give 1 star when it's spot on and 5 when it's most ridiculously wrong. Over time, it "improves".

    2. Re: Digital unintelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That isn't really a flaw. Human children have the same problem, if their parents are psychopaths.

    3. Re:Digital unintelligence by ffkom · · Score: 1

      Yeah, just like children learning from religion. Do Google's and MicroSofts AIs yet correctly identify images of the flat earth disc and images of those dinosaur bones god placed into the soil 6000 years ago? Will have to teach them...

    4. Re: Digital unintelligence by ffkom · · Score: 1

      Only in this case the "parents" (Microsoft, Google) don't want to invest in the education of their "children", so they leave teaching to anonymous psychopaths on the Web. It's as if rich parents would send their 3 years old children to a juke joint in shanty town - instead of kindergarten.

    5. Re:Digital unintelligence by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I dunno, never bothered me enough to ask. But since this idea is your brainchild, why don't you do the scientific thing and experiment with it and report your findings instead of the religion thing and just asking about it to believe whatever someone tells you that is written in a book.

    6. Re: Digital unintelligence by careysub · · Score: 1

      TL;DR: Stop using the word psychopath to describe assholes, you cretins.

      Hmm... I feel a nerd-rage at the misuse of the word "cretin" coming on....

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  4. PhB.B.B.B.B.B by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft's AI keeps embarrassing them. It's like they thought their corporate image problem from being a ham-handed OS monopoly wasn't big enough: they needed to automate gaffes.

    1. Re:PhB.B.B.B.B.B by mossy+the+mole · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's AI keeps embarrassing them. It's like they thought their corporate image problem from being a ham-handed OS monopoly wasn't big enough: they needed to automate gaffes.

      Just think of it as the first steps of a new thing. Be interesting to see this develop

    2. Re:PhB.B.B.B.B.B by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsoft's AI keeps embarrassing them

      That's what an "A.I." made of lookup tables or pattern matching a pile of data does. I really cannot understand why they are putting this stuff forward as if it is ready to be more than just a more complicated "Eliza" toy.
      Use it to look stuff up ot have simple questions and answers - fine. Use it to have a conversation and expect perfect results - not a chance.

    3. Re: PhB.B.B.B.B.B by jsh1972 · · Score: 1

      They need to hook it up to a robotic chair throwing module.

    4. Re:PhB.B.B.B.B.B by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      This.

      I wish they'd stop calling this stuff A.I. it's simple pattern recognition. There is no such thing as an AI that has any kind of comprehension and it doesn't look like there will be any time soon.

      And this stuff will likely be driving cars and trucks, I want to know every detail of how it can fail beyond the obvious ie that it can't tell the difference between a dress and a cat or a face and two giraffes etc.

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    5. Re:PhB.B.B.B.B.B by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      It's fairly primitive at this point, of course, but please do explain how this is fundamentally different form how living things perceive visual information and why this is not AI.

    6. Re:PhB.B.B.B.B.B by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      We have a vastly superior knowledge of items in images and videos, we understand information about colours, materials, living things, the way physics interacts with these things, what's flammable, floatable, destructible, cheap expensive, natural, man made and countless more attributes. We understand these things, we don't just attributes words to them when we don't even comprehend the meaning of those words.

      Look at Eliza bots, they basically talk meaningless gibberish, sometimes they get lucky like a human who doesn't know the answer to a question but answers yes or no regardless.

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    7. Re:PhB.B.B.B.B.B by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Sophisticated lookup tables then - consider what learning neural networks actually at when it gets down to it!

    8. Re:PhB.B.B.B.B.B by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      I wish they'd stop calling this stuff A.I. it's simple pattern recognition.

      AFAIK, so is human intelligence, that's why you spent years being a useless drooling slob.

  5. Let's end this right here and now by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Let's end this right here and now by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      As an online discussion grows longer, doesn't the probability of every topic coming up approach 1? This isn't systemd or anything.

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    2. Re:Let's end this right here and now by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's something Hitler would have said! You Nazi!

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  6. It's not a wedding dress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Interestingly, the "wedding dress" from the summary is not a wedding dress at all. In fact it's the famous black/blue or white/gold dress. The reason that's interesting is because the 'human' in charge of complaining that the computer can't recognize a simple image....can't recognize a simple image.

    Additionally, that whole 'dress color' kerfuffle shows that image recognition can be a difficult task even for the human brain...which has been specifically designed and built over thousands of years to do that very thing.

    1. Re:It's not a wedding dress by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Additionally, that whole 'dress color' kerfuffle shows that image recognition can be a difficult task even for the human brain...which has been specifically designed and built over thousands of years to do that very thing.

      I think it shows that some colors display differently on different monitors.

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  7. AI is just not ready. by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2

    I think the most important piece of information here is that AI just isn't ready for the big time yet. People are going to do and say all kinds of fucked up and bizarre things. People will try to have sex with anything. They'll try to convince their AI assistant to support genocide. They'll demand that it pretend to agree with them about things like that. They'll ask for information that's not available, they'll cuss and scream, they'll talk about things that seem completely off-topic. People will use puns, innuendo, and vague references. They'll yell insults, start stupid arguments, and lie through their teeth even when it only hurts themselves. And yes they will talk about Hitler. An AI that can properly handle all of this and not go off the deep end is a full-fledged strong AI.

    We're not there yet but this effort by Microsoft is, IMHO, as smart as a mouse. And with geometric progress that means the real thing won't be long now.

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    1. Re:AI is just not ready. by ByteSlicer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We're not there yet but this effort by Microsoft is, IMHO, as smart as a mouse.

      Mice are pretty smart, I'd argue that the current AIs are at insect level of "intelligence".

      What's obvious from these results is that the AI has no idea what it's looking at. This is typical for a trained neural net: it finds the best matching pattern in an image, and maps that to one of its output categories. It makes no difference between a random black and white blob, and a penguin, so long as they match the pattern.

      A mouse, and true AI, will have spatial understanding. It will (intuitively) know that the images represent objects in space, and will be able to recreate a coarse 3D model of what they see. Then they will break down the scene in basic features, and identify it based on those features. It might say: hey, these blobs remind me of a penguin, but will never say that they *are* a penguin, because the blob will miss the beak and eyes and flippers and feet.

      Basically, what we have now are the neural nets we already had 50 years ago, only on much faster hardware, combined with a bot and a web search engine. It's basically ELIZA on steroids, but still a long long way from actual intelligence.

    2. Re:AI is just not ready. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Mice are pretty smart, I'd argue that the current AIs are at insect level of "intelligence".

      Maybe.....this just looks like a probabilistic classifier, insects are capable of more than that.

      Basically, what we have now are the neural nets we already had 50 years ago,

      That's going a little too far: 50 years ago people were experimenting with perceptrons. The networks we use now are more advanced than that in capabilities.

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  8. "An operating system suitable for critical servers by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The most ridiculous might be what Microsoft's AI describes an "an operating system suitable for mission critical servers". Or maybe that was Microsoft Marketing, not Microsoft AI. Either way.

  9. Re: I hate any group of interest, no matter the sy by mrmatthewcarlson · · Score: 1

    This is not Missed Connections?

  10. 1/2 of /. readers say AI will take their job by raymorris · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm reminded that about half of Slashdotters are afraid that AI like this will put them out of a job soon. The other half of Slashdotters can tell the difference between a cell phone and the first lady, so they won't be replaced by Microsoft software.

    On the other hand, 15% of Slashdot readers can't tell the difference between Obama and Hitler, with this AI can do so.

    1. Re:1/2 of /. readers say AI will take their job by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      I'm reminded that about half of Slashdotters are afraid that AI like this will put them out of a job soon. The other half of Slashdotters can tell the difference between a cell phone and the first lady, so they won't be replaced by Microsoft software.

      When it comes to replacing human workers with an AI, the opinions of the technically literate are irrelevant. All that matters is whether the maker of the AI can convince a company's leadership that employing the AI will save them money.

      If competence were really the determining factor in deciding whether to replace human workers with automated systems, do you really think most companies would've replaced their human telephone operators with the now-ubiquitous automated phone tree software?

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    2. Re:1/2 of /. readers say AI will take their job by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, 15% of Slashdot readers can't tell the difference between Obama and Hitler, with this AI can do so.

      You think this is a good or a bad thing?

    3. Re:1/2 of /. readers say AI will take their job by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The fear of being replaced by a computer, by an intelligent machine, is hardly new. Back in the late 50s and early 60s there were even movies and televisions shows that touched on the topic of being replaced by the "Big Brain." At the time, of course, computers were literally taking quite a few tasks away from humans. Like always, many of us short-sighted humans didn't stop to realize that this would be creating other jobs and would require less menial/repetitive labor.

      I don't remember if it was a movie or a television show but it had a Vax in it and a couple of office working ladies. They were accountants or human computers, I don't recall which, and the computer actually was malicious. One of the scenes was the computer trashing the office and throwing reams of paper around and pushing paper out through the printer (it was the feed stock paper back then, usually) and I seem to recall the two ladies kept their jobs. Err... It's probably been 40 to 45 years since I've seen the movie so you'll have to forgive my lack of detailed memory. ;-)

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    4. Re:1/2 of /. readers say AI will take their job by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      I'm reminded that about half of Slashdotters are afraid that AI like this will put them out of a job soon.

      Then you can't read. No one is saying that it'll be soon, but if you've been looking at the fast pace of improvement in the last decade you would realize AI is going to have massive social and economical implications.

  11. I never thought this tumblr would be relevant... by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1
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  12. The real test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Does it identify the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 as a controlled demolition ?

  13. Put up or shut up. by westlake · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Microsoft's AI keeps embarrassing them. It's like they thought their corporate image problem from being a ham-handed OS monopoly wasn't big enough: they needed to automate gaffes.

    It is trivially easy to get a instant mod-up on Slashdot by pointing to the Microsoft's AI's occasional mistakes and not its successes. But most of the time Microsoft's AI seems to be getting it right. If you have something better, put it up where we can see it.

    1. Re:Put up or shut up. by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Interesting

      IBM - Watson, a computer that can win at Jeopardy
      Google - AlphaGo, a computer that wins at Go
      Microsoft - Tay, a racist chatbot

      Is there really a comparison? Even if Microsoft has some decent technology, they're definitely losing on the marketing front, they are making themselves look like dancing monkey cousins.

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    2. Re:Put up or shut up. by kqc7011 · · Score: 1

      Will it disregard images of Buddhist temples with swastika's? Or any of the multiple images / uses of the swastika that others used before the National Socialists?

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    3. Re:Put up or shut up. by ffkom · · Score: 1

      Even if Microsoft has some decent technology, they're definitely losing on the marketing front, they are making themselves look like dancing monkey cousins.

      That's just because they are just that.

    4. Re:Put up or shut up. by __roo · · Score: 1

      I bet one of those AIs would pass a Turing test—and not the one that can win at Jeopardy or beat a Go champion.

    5. Re:Put up or shut up. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Until you ask it whether time flies like an arrow, and what color are the flies.

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    6. Re:Put up or shut up. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      IBM - Watson, a computer that can win at Jeopardy

      Google - AlphaGo, a computer that wins at Go

      Microsoft - Tay, a racist chatbot

      Is there really a comparison?

      Understanding natural language.
      Playing a logic game with prediction to gain a winning move.
      Interacting with humans and identifying images without external influence.

      You're right on one thing there is absolutely no comparison. The ability to do one has absolutely zero bearing on the ability to do another.

    7. Re:Put up or shut up. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Interacting with humans is one of the easiest things to get a computer to do man, lay off the pot, it's affecting your brain.

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    8. Re:Put up or shut up. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Doesn't mean it doesn't embarrass them. I'm viewing this from a P/R perspective, not a Vulcan's.

    9. Re:Put up or shut up. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No. Interacting with computers is one of the easiest things to get a human to do. The opposite is nothing more than regurgitating predetermined responses ... by a human.

    10. Re:Put up or shut up. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Interacting with computers is one of the easiest things to get a human to do.

      Yes, that is exactly what I said.

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  14. All for legal reasons by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They don't have any problem identifying photos of Hitler as Hitler. The problem is false positives: If the software mistook the photo of some living person as Hitler, and that was somehow published, that person would not be happy, and might start a lawsuit.

    Problem is easily solved by telling the software "if you think it is Hitler, you say you don't recognise it". There was a case a while ago where some photo analysis software mistook a woman for a gorilla. Highly embarrassing for everyone involved.

    I would think that software makers would nowadays add precautions to make particularly embarrassing mistakes less likely. (Mistaking a gorilla for a woman is no big deal, the other way round it's very bad).

    1. Re:All for legal reasons by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      This is probably the best explanation for the whole mess.

      Should've thought of it myself. If anything makes no sense, it's probably legal related.

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    2. Re:All for legal reasons by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      Or, false positives or not, they just don't want to have anything to do with Hitler. Especially after Tay.

    3. Re:All for legal reasons by IMightB · · Score: 1

      Personally, I don't think that identifying hitler is a problem.... per se. it's adding contect that I would discourage. For example if it said "Hey! That's Adolf Hitler, I think he's a swell guy." I'd have a problem with that. On the other hand with blocking Hitler images, what are they going to do with Charlie Chaplin?

    4. Re: All for legal reasons by PPH · · Score: 1

      Why is mistaking a woman for a gorilla bad

      Try telling one that those pants make her look fat and see what a living hell life can be.

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    5. Re:All for legal reasons by DougReed · · Score: 1

      ... unless you are a gorilla.

    6. Re:All for legal reasons by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      a) Statisticians actually formally discuss these as type 1 and type 2 errors. The chance of rejecting a true hypothesis and failing to reject a false hypothesis is typically taken into account in the beginning of your analysis.
      b) This is a non-trivial task. Sure, if you have a limited scope (we want our planes not to crash, so err on the side of something that is safer than required) it's easy. But in this case, it changes. "Find me a photo of hitler" is bad if it finds a woman who desperately needs to wax, but it's also bad if you're doing a search for hitler images and miss him. In this case there is no adequate framework to say "Here is how you determine acceptable error levels."

      What all this boils down to is AI is simply not ready for prime time until it becomes MUCH more accurate

  15. Let The Dissembling Begin by d'baba · · Score: 1

    Did we learn nothing from the time we made HAL lie?

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  16. Only Hitler? by jandersen · · Score: 2

    One wonders which caption it would put on goatse?

    1. Re:Only Hitler? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just tested: "I am not really confident, but I think it's a man holding a cat."

    2. Re:Only Hitler? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I've heard many names for it... "cat" wasn't one of them.

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  17. Re:Umm.. by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 1

    Well - it recognised Joseph Mengele, although describing him as a "Nazi leader" is ridiculous.

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  18. Tried it, didnt worked at all by orogorhotmail.com · · Score: 1

    it was just perfect on MS provided pictures and was zero on pictures i provided.

    Upload picture of floppy it can t describe it.
    Upload identity picture of me, it s a man holding a remote control
    Upload a photo of the hearth , it s a close ip of a wave

    https://www.captionbot.ai/

  19. heh by matushorvath · · Score: 1

    I am not really sure, but I think it's a small off-duty Czechoslovakian traffic warden.

  20. Tay 2.0 by jsh1972 · · Score: 1

    I can't really describe this picture- but i do know it did nothing wrong!

  21. Re:I don't get it by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    If it was a pic of you and the AI would say "Oh, that's Adolf", how'd you feel?

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  22. What does that mean for CAPTCHAs? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    As soon as this bot goes live, will we only get to see Hitler pics to solve CAPTChAs so the botters don't get in?

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  23. The societal consequences of slightly shoddy AI by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    All kinds of AI have teething pains, during which the problems are obvious and comical (the Apple Newton's handwriting recognition being a case in point). At the same time, the achievements of modern AI are amazing--but also troubling.

    When I compare AI as envisioned in the 1950s--Isaac Asimov's Multivac, or his robots, perhaps--the assumption was that AI would be closely similar to human intelligence. For example, it was implicit that robots would answer questions by actually understanding them. What we are seeing today evokes an analogy with technologies like the sewing machine. Early efforts attempted to sew the same way humans did, and failed. Singer's brilliant idea was a method of using thread to fasten two pieces of cloth that did not resemble human sewing or even use the same stitch.

    A Google search is within shooting distance of Multivac. You type in a question and you get a useful answer. The interesting thing is that most modern AI is shoddy. It goes halfway. It gives you something that's inaccurate, yet useful. But the key thing is that you are expected to use your human intelligence to get the rest of the way and correct mistakes. In the case of Google, you do this by looking at a ten or a hundred search results, for example--and reformulating the question if you don't get the right answer.

    Perhaps one of the things that early AI pioneers missed is that modern AI relies more on having huge databases of information than would have even been imaginable in the 1950s and 1960s, and less on AI actually mimicking human intelligence.

    This is not a problem when it is all open, the AI is offering you something to look at and not making decisions for you, and it is all in the nature of help or suggestions rather than direct action.

    It becomes far more serious when it is happening behind the scenes--when AI is deciding whether you get a loan, or pass an essay test on an exam, or get onto a terrorist watchlist.

  24. Re:I hate any group of interest, no matter the sym by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Ignoring is not actually a term that I'd use when describing Nazis. In fact, if they'd just ignored those they hated then there probably wouldn't have needed to be a giant FUCKING WAR because of their behavior. Slaughtering millions and bombing other people's property into rubble is not exactly "ignoring." Unless, of course, you've got a very different definition of ignoring than I do.

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  25. Re:I don't get it by bbn · · Score: 1

    Better than being identified as a phone or giraffe.

  26. Re: I hate any group of interest, no matter the sy by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    Cut him some slack. He's upset the none of the preachers wanted to molest him. It has jaded him for life.

  27. Re:They need an AI PR Bot to solve these PR proble by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    You don't suspect that has already happened? I mean look at some of these posts explaining the flaws or any MS blunder.

  28. Thats ridiculous by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    Even if we don't like what he did, Hitler did actually exist and is a significant character in world history,
    If we choose to ignore history we're doomed to make the same mistakes again.

    1. Re:Thats ridiculous by DougReed · · Score: 1

      Look at Donald Trump... We already are.

    2. Re:Thats ridiculous by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Thats how I feel about Hilary. Out of them all, she's by far the scariest psychopath.

  29. Re:I don't get it by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Nah, twice in a row is bad style.

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  30. Greyscale = giraffes by AAWood · · Score: 2

    As soon as I heard that someone's avatar was described as being two giraffes, I knew it was going to be in black and white. As far as I can tell, their algorithm thinks that any greyscale image includes two giraffes. A rorschach test image, an art piece with a stylised tree, a black and white MS Paint picture of a stick-man Dumbledore, everything I could find got described as two giraffes (often in a "fenced-off area").

  31. One of these things us not like the other. by westlake · · Score: 1

    IBM - Watson, a computer that can win at Jeopardy
    Google - AlphaGo, a computer that wins at Go
    Microsoft - Tay, a racist chatbot

    Jeopardy is a trivia game.

    Key words and phrases to which you respond with a factoid. To be fun and playable for the audience the boundaries of this "universe" have to be quite small.

    Go is a game which is played with perfect information and clearly defined rules. It is a fascinating problem in its own right but it is not the same problem as recognizing a face or an object in a purely arbitrary setting.

    1. Re:One of these things us not like the other. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Go is a game which is played with perfect information and clearly defined rules. It is a fascinating problem in its own right but it is not the same problem as recognizing a face or an object in a purely arbitrary setting.

      And yet playing the game took longer to solve than image recognition.

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    2. Re:One of these things us not like the other. by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      Image recognition is not solved.

    3. Re:One of these things us not like the other. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Neither is the game.

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  32. Joseph Mengele by becky-nyan · · Score: 1

    Joseph Mengele was not a Nazi leader. He was a member of the Schutzstaffel, and a registered physician at the Auschwitz death camp. He was infamous and notorious for his sadistic behaviour, which included sickening human experiments involving sewing live people together (in an attempt to recreate conjoined twins), injecting chemicals into victims' eyeballs (in an attempt to learn about eye colouration), murdering people with chloroform for the purely sake of dissecting them, and other brutal pseudoscientific activities. To the best of my knowledge, he was never considered among the political elite (i.e. the 'leaders') of the Nazi party.

  33. Joseph Mengele wasn't a Nazi Leader by rainer_d · · Score: 1

    He was just a low-level "researcher" in a KZ that got notorious because he killed so many people in so many different gruesome ways (and enough of his subjects still survived the ordeal to tell the story).

    His superior back in Berlin more or less continued his career after the war - mostly because he systematically destroyed most documents that could proof a connection with the notorious experiments (once it was obvious that the war wasn't going to end well for Germany) and because Mengele himself had fled to South America,drawing all the attention onto himself.

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