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Spy Chief Complains That Edward Snowden Sped Up Spread of Encryption By 7 Years (theintercept.com)

An anonymous reader cites an article on The Intercept: The director of national intelligence on Monday blamed NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden for advancing the development of user-friendly, widely available strong encryption. "As a result of the Snowden revelations, the onset of commercial encryption has accelerated by seven years," James Clapper said. The shortened timeline has had "a profound effect on our ability to collect, particularly against terrorists," he said. When pressed by The Intercept to explain his figure, Clapper said it came from the National Security Agency. "The projected growth maturation and installation of commercially available encryption -- what they had forecasted for seven years ahead, three years ago, was accelerated to now, because of the revelation of the leaks." Asked if that was a good thing, leading to better protection for American consumers from the arms race of hackers constantly trying to penetrate software worldwide, Clapper answered no. "From our standpoint, it's not ⦠it's not a good thing," he said."Of all the things I've been accused of," Snowden said, "this is the one of which I am most proud."

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  1. Thanks Edward by freax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fantastic. Well done.

    1. Re:Thanks Edward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By that, you mean the director, right?

    2. Re:Thanks Edward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Burn? That's an odd way to spell "be safer from illegal surveillance"...

    3. Re:Thanks Edward by PraiseBob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny how he blames the person who exposed the criminal actions as the problem, rather than the criminals. Either way the end result is that hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of people are now less vulnerable to organized crime, directly because of Snowdens actions. Thanks Edward!

    4. Re:Thanks Edward by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Well, you're kind of right.

      He's happy watching a government do illegal things burn.

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    5. Re:Thanks Edward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not really "free" if its under constant surveillance by him, is it?

    6. Re:Thanks Edward by MitchDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Snowden is a hero, the fascists in the government are the bad guys

    7. Re:Thanks Edward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What makes you think that the best interests of the American People are always aligned with protecting National Security?

    8. Re:Thanks Edward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ahh yes, that must be why James Clapper is accused of PERJURY after LYING UNDER OATH TO CONGRESS. He must be so concerned about the world that he thought he'd start making shit up.

      In contrast Edward Snowden hasn't said anything that isn't true, so he must be evil, right? Only evil people tell the truth and good guys lie, right?

    9. Re: Thanks Edward by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      For real. Mr. The Clap, we knew we owed him a lot but I'm not sure how many of us were aware of this; you have our gratitude (and likely your masters' wrath) for bringing it to our attention.

    10. Re:Thanks Edward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If President Obama had kept his campaign promise to end domestic surveillance none of this would have happened.
      Instead he expanded it many fold.

    11. Re:Thanks Edward by HeckRuler · · Score: 4, Informative

      I imagine he lies awake at night worrying about losing the free world the same way that J Edgar Hoover lied awake at night worrying about losing the free world. But both of them are simply wrong.

      It turns out that letting black people vote, and letting women get jobs didn't destroy America. Hoover was simply wrong about that. Sure, there were race riots in LA. And there's been a lot of yelling about cops shooting black people. But it has not spelled the end of the United States of America. Hoover's subversion of the democratic process did FAR more to threaten the USA then those actors he was trying to thwart. There was no need to spy on MLK nor run a smear campaign against him. There was no need to radicalise the black panthers and help them pull off an assassination. There was no need to run a dragnet on academics. Now, he was also trying to thwart the commie bastards. And he failed. They simply had a better spy campaign then we did. But we were ideologically better and more aligned with reality, so it didn't really matter. Give it time. Even China is capitalistic now. (More then we are, by some measures)

      And terrorism? The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. 3,000 corpses in NYC is, with no disrespect to the dead, chump change in the larger picture. Simply put, these radicals have no hope of threatening the existence of the USA. The worst they can do is piss us off enough to go get a bunch of people killed in the desert (most of whom had no connection to the terrorists).

      What he should lie awake at night worrying about is all of the clandestine and blatantly illegal operations he signed off on coming to light and spending the rest of his days in prison. But hell, he can bold-faced lie at a congressional hearing to a senator who has the clearance to know he's lying and still somehow not get charged with anything. So who knows how much dirt he has on everyone.

    12. Re:Thanks Edward by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then why doesn't he call for a weapons ban? No, seriously. Wouldn't that make the world a lot safer? If nobody had weapons but the police and military? I.e., the state? It would make sure that no criminal would have a gun. Or rather, it would make identifying the criminals much easier, for everyone who as much as tries to arm himself would count as a criminal. I mean, what does a law abiding citizen need a gun for?

      And whatever answer you give to this, take the sentences above, replace "guns" and "arms" with "encryption", your answer to that questions above is pretty much my reply for your lament about encryption.

      Encryption, just like guns, is something that takes control away from the government and puts it into the hands of the individual. This is called freedom, and the means to retain it. Yes, that means that criminal elements will enjoy the same freedom. That is an unfortunate side effect. History has shown us, though, that handing over freedoms for the promise of protection has failed every single time. In the end, all that happened was that you gave away freedom and received nothing in return.

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    13. Re:Thanks Edward by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That if they're not I'm wondering who the fuck they do this for if not the american people!

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    14. Re:Thanks Edward by TroII · · Score: 1

      I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Comey a traitor, but lying to Congress and spying on millions of his fellow citizens does make him very un-American.

    15. Re:Thanks Edward by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Fully agree. He is a hero.

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    16. Re:Thanks Edward by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hydra.

    17. Re:Thanks Edward by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Let us be fair and honest. He is *accused* of such. He is not convicted of such. Nor is he, as far as I know, charged with such.

      Snowden is *accused* of lots of things.

      One must be aware of, and try to react to, their own biases. The innocent until proven guilty is only valuable if it applies equally to those we abhor. It can not just apply to those whom we wish to believe, those that we like, and those who are ethical in our views. The most vile of people on the planet still deserves due process.

      Being accused is irrelevant in an adult discussion unless we're simply addressing the accusation. And, we do want to have an adult conversation, right? I could be mistaken and that might not be the actual objective. We could just sit around with shit in our pants, pointing at each other, and screaming vulgarities about how our shit doesn't stink. Or we could actually be honest and, maybe, figure out how we're going to clean this pile of shit up and air the place out.

      Meh, they both have their appeals.

      But, an accusation does not make guilt. Innocence until proven guilty must be the default for it applies for heroes and villains alike.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    18. Re:Thanks Edward by KGIII · · Score: 1

      > Then why doesn't he call for a weapons ban?

      Because he's American and that wouldn't go over very well? Because firearms are one of the more potent types of weapons and the right to own them is actually fairly well established and fairly well agreed on by those who have the power to make that choice? Because he's stupid but not that stupid? Because it would be political suicide to suggest such a thing while in that position? Because it's completely off-topic when talking about Snowden and he wants to remain topical? Because he has ulterior motives and would rather weaken encryption than reduce the incomes of weapons and ammunitions factories?

      I can go on... That's just the start of a list. It's not only in the Constitution but it's fairly well agreed that it's an enumerated right - by those who can make such choices. And no, you're not one of the people who gets to make that choice. Your interpretation, as much as you might like, doesn't actually matter no matter how important you may think you are.

      To be fair, my interpretation doesn't much matter either. They really don't give a shit what I have to say on the subject. They're not even going to listen to what I have to say on the subject unless I pay them a bunch of money. I don't even have enough money to get them to listen to me - and I've got a fairly tidy sum stashed away. I'm not sure how much one needs to buy a legislator but I don't appear to have enough. Well, if i do then nobody's actually given me a price list or anything.

      So no, they don't really give a shit what you think. Or me... Or that guy over there. Or anyone else you know.

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    19. Re:Thanks Edward by KGIII · · Score: 1

      By organized crime, you mean the government, right?

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    20. Re:Thanks Edward by thunderclap · · Score: 2

      Criminals tend to blames the person who exposed the criminal actions as the problem, rather than themselves. Is James Clapper a criminal? Yes, he is. NSA can do its job without violating American civil liberties. They don't want to because its harder and takes longer than simply grabbing everything and then sorting.

    21. Re:Thanks Edward by Cyberpunk+Reality · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure we should give Snowden credit here. Clapper is lying sack of shit criminal, after all.

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    22. Re:Thanks Edward by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's ok, I know my opinion doesn't matter. But he shouldn't act as if his should matter to me if he makes such a weak argument.

      And no, I don't expect that him convincing me would matter either. Unless of course he'd want to get some public support for his position. Which surprisingly seems to be the case since he publishes something like this.

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    23. Re: Thanks Edward by Maritz · · Score: 1

      If you're talking about one specific charge, of course it's a dichotomy. You either killed Jimmy or you didn't. You can't kill him and remain innocent of killing him.

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  2. If you're reading this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Thank you, Mr. Snowden. Countless around the world are in your debt.

    1. Re:If you're reading this by Quzak · · Score: 1

      I am willing to sacrifice those people in order to keep the government(s) out of our data and lives. Freedom comes with a price. Are you willing to pay it?

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    2. Re:If you're reading this by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trade your Freedom for Illusion of Security all you want. I prefer Freedom myself.

      In the end, you'll have neither, and you're just too stupid to realize it before it is too late.

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      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    3. Re:If you're reading this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm fine with the spies doing targeted eavesdropping on the suspected terrorists. I think everyone is.

      It's the widespread mass surveillance which I and most other people object to.

      Therefore fuck you James Clapper. It was not in any way Edward Snowden's fault. It was your own fucking fault for violating the privacy of everyday people.

    4. Re:If you're reading this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Considering that I'm way more likely to be killed by my government than by a 'terrorist', I don't think we're really paying any price at all here.

    5. Re:If you're reading this by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Given that the money/bombs/guns for most terrorist groups can be linked back to the CIA, maybe the NSA should be monitoring them instead of everyone else poorly.

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    6. Re:If you're reading this by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, many Americans would rather have the illusion of security... another example of why america is dying, if not already dead...

    7. Re:If you're reading this by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's suppose that, tomorrow, the government declares "All encryption needs to have Government Only Backdoors." Let's also assume that everyone - through some weird quirk of fate - goes along with it instead of sparking the years-long lawsuits/protests that would actually happen. So now the government can listen in on anyone at any time. Terrorists beaten, right?

      Wrong. Strong encryption is already available and can be used by anyone (yes, including terrorists) now. So they'll just use that. Or they'll use no encryption - which is how they operated in some previous attacks.

      Furthermore, "Government Only Backdoors" means that the encryption has a weakness. Even if we could trust the US government not to abuse it (a HUGE assumption but let's allow it for now), how long until foreign governments got access to it (either via some official channel or by hacking their way in)? How long until various hacker groups got control of it?

      Finally, there's the question of risk. Being injured/killed in a terrorist attack is an extremely low-risk event. Sure, it makes for great news and is used near-daily by politicians to scare us into supporting whatever they want, but it's not an actual thing that your average person in the US needs to worry about. On the other hand, something like Identity Theft or credit card fraud *are* something that normal people need to worry about.

      Tell you what, I'll explain to the families of the next victims of the terror attacks (probably a dozen or less) why we supported encryption if you explain to the victims (likely millions) of identity theft/credit card fraud why you wanted to ban strong encryption and thus let any hacker in the world listen in on their transactions.

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    8. Re:If you're reading this by james_gnz · · Score: 2

      O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
      O'er the land of the spy and the home of the safe?

    9. Re:If you're reading this by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that scenario doesn't exist. It isn't like the Boston bombers, Paris attackers, Brussels attackers used encrypted communication. In the case of the Boston bombers it was the government's own incompetence that screwed those people, it isn't like Russia warned the US about those 2 ass clowns, well shit. Also it isn't like the leader of the Pairs attack was featured in ISIS's magazine, well fuck me. Since is has come out that the Paris attackers and Brussels attackers were in contact and seemingly related it sure seem like the authorities suck balls at doing their jobs and may be should be gathering less information on everyone and instead look into people who are interviewed by pig fuckers monthly or are told by some other country to keep an eye on. I also remember a while ago seeing that the FBI or CIA stating that encryption hasn't prevented them from getting the brake they needed in any of their cases. I would cite the article but with their recent about face and encryption being in the news a tone that appears to have been buried and I can't find it.

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    10. Re:If you're reading this by VirginMary · · Score: 1

      I hope you or any family members never get into a car because that's way more dangerous than any terrorists. In the entire history of the US, terrorists have killed fewer people than the number that die in car accidents in the US in one year. So, let's just give up freedoms for a tiny incremental improvement of the odds not to die a "natural" death. Of course that's also highly questionable in this case anyway because, if all the money that was spent on snooping on you, me and millions of others would be spent on medical care for poor people you could save way more lives than by preventing a few hundred people or possibly even a few thousand being killed by terrorists every year. But, I guess, it's fuck them and our privacy as long as there is a tiny improvement in the odds of a family member of yours not dying. So either, you don't understand very simple statistics and what liberty is worth, or, you're just another selfish bastard.
      Oh and I consider the people that feel entitled to snoop on hundreds of millions of innocent people in order to "protect" them as just as bad as terrorists! Fuck them, and I hope they die a slow and painful death!!

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    11. Re:If you're reading this by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3

      You can't possibly be serious.

      First, please point out an instance of a terror attack that could have been prevented if it wasn't for the wide use of encryption, because there isn't one.

      Second, the total aggregate count of people that have died to terror attacks doesn't even come close to the amount of people that die each year from choosing to smoke tobacco, so I'll take the encryption.

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    12. Re:If you're reading this by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Haven't you noticed? They keep telling us they need X, then another terrorist attack happens anyway and they tell us if they had just had X+1 they could have stopped it. Lather,. rinse, repeat. Soon there won't be any more to give them and the terrorist attacks will continue.

      Because I want my family to live, I want the NSA's domestic spying budget to be cut and re-allocated to healthcare, traffic safety, and any number of more likely causes of death.

    13. Re:If you're reading this by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      ...america is dying, if not already dead...

      Citation required, because I found it alive right about here: https://goo.gl/maps/Wfvjyku289...

    14. Re:If you're reading this by Drethon · · Score: 2

      Tell that to the families of the women and children who are murdered in the net terrorist attack that could have been prevented had the NSA been able to monitor the terrorists communications as they are supposed to.

      What would you like to tell the millions of people who have their bank accounts hacked and drained by terrorists because the government took away our encryption? I guess the suicides that would cause are not important.

    15. Re:If you're reading this by Desler · · Score: 1

      Despite idiots like yourself spreading FUD, these terrorist have been shown to overwhelmingly be using unencrypted messaging for planning their attacks. So if the NSA is blocked from reading plaintet SMS then they're clearly incompetent.

    16. Re:If you're reading this by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No problem, got their addresses where I can send my gratitude?

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    17. Re:If you're reading this by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      The price of Liberty is paid in blood. Have you forgotten that?

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    18. Re:If you're reading this by losfromla · · Score: 1

      Great point, but you might be off a tad on your estimated magnitude. A quick google search indicates that in 2014 32,675 car accident fatalities occurred. I believe a pretty good estimate of terrorist fatalities is 3,000. So for a miniscule (nil?) improvement in safety we have had our freedoms and rights decimated. Here's an interesting links for those who prefer numbers to hysteria. http://thinkbynumbers.org/gove...

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    19. Re:If you're reading this by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Oh, you have some evidence that the NSA has prevented any actual terrorist attacks? Funny, not even the NSA itself has that evidence, and there are some rather spectacular and public fails in the recent past. They do like to claim things like "50 terrorist attacks prevented in Europe", but when pressed, nothing remains. Just as with any other group of professional liars.

      On the other hand, the NSA is helping in keeping terrorism strong and helps them recruit by facilitating murder-by-drone.

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    20. Re:If you're reading this by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Could not agree more. The whole claim that surveillance is preventing terrorist attacks is nothing but a big, fat lie. They cannot even evaluate what they already have without mass-surveillance and with known suspects. How mass-surveillance is supposed to make that any better is beyond me. The only thing mass surveillance will be doing is making it even easier to terrorists to recruit. That is besides killing freedoms and making people afraid (again!) to even voice their thoughts because the authorities may disagree with them.

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    21. Re:If you're reading this by gweihir · · Score: 2

      This shows just one thing: The whole "war on terrorism" is a panic-driven thing with no rational basis. Things like this have not worked out so well in the past...

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    22. Re:If you're reading this by just+another+AC · · Score: 1

      How easily confused I am... from the government's actions I thought this was the USA... https://www.google.com/maps/@3...

    23. Re: If you're reading this by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that they were terrorists and tried to push the blame for their acts onto the natives. The most meaningful of events were them stealing across boats, at night, to kill on Christmas Eve during a time of supposed chivalry.

      There's all sorts of fun ways to look at things.

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    24. Re:If you're reading this by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I know what you meant to say, I think, but you do realize that "everyone" in your assumption would include the terrorists as they're part of everyone. So, if we assume that everyone goes along with it then we have to assume that the terrorists are still humans and thus included in the everyone part. It's a pretty silly assumption to make when they, as you point out, can easily download and compile it themselves. ;-)

      Hmm...

      I don't suppose the terrorists use Linux, actually. Oh, I'm sure some of their logistics do but I mean the ones out in the field, so to speak, doing grunt work and blowing themselves up. I guess they might use Android but I have a hard time counting that as Linux.

      "Android is Linux after it has been taken into Google's basement and given a vivisection, without anesthesia." -- Some Slashdotter and *not* verbatim.

      I'm inclined to agree.

      Nah, I bet they use Windows or, maybe, OS X. The back-end guys (and they have got some infrastructure now, if we're referencing ISIS/IS/ISIL/Daesh/ThoseGuys) probably use Linux. I doubt they have their own distro. Which distro has the best Arabic translations? Surely, there's one... It's probably Ubuntu.

      Hmm... If you were a terrorist, what distro would you use? I should go ask that on LinuxQuestions.

      But, ignoring Android, it means that they're probably using Windows. That means there's a whole stack of binaries out there and that it's pretty easy for them to get stuff up and running across a whole bunch of hardware. It does mean that it's probably not quite as easy for them to go compiling stuff. Let's face it.. ./configure, make, and sudo make install aren't that tough to figure out - so long as you read the INSTALL.TXT file or README. In fact, most of the time you can just look at it and figure it out. It's a wee bit more difficult with Windows and they're probably using Windows...

      So, what we gotta do is we gotta get every last copy of source and pre-compiled binaries off the 'net. Yup. We're gonna have to scrape the 'net clean, find all those servers, and delete them. We'll have to hash them and hope nobody changes them - that way we can patch everything to make sure they can't get uploaded again. We're gonna have to send out some magic packets to make stuff delete itself too. Oh! We could just disallow any traffic that's non-compliant at the network. Yeah, that's it! We'll disallow HTTPS and only allow authorized unencrypted traffic, inspect all the packets, and just intercept and disable it there - and anyone that goes looking will obviously be a terrorist, right? Right...

      There's probably someone out there, right now, who's thinking like that.

      On a more (or less) serious note... I really do bet they use Windows. That's not a slight, it's just that it's really good odds and I like winning. It's not particularly insightful because, as near as I know, they've a fine Arabic translation. They've paid for it to be done and paid well. I am not so sure that that's true with any Linux distro but it *might* be true with Ubuntu. I imagine people have volunteered to translate, over the years, and so there is surely a distro that's actually translated well enough.

      So, I stomped off to Google... The first one to pop up was Debian but I figured I'd change some keywords around and, it turns out, there's Arabic-specific distros.

      There's a Halal Linux, Sabily, Ojuba, Fedora, and Debian. There's also an Arabeyes project which is actually just an umbrella project for Arabic translated F/OSS stuff.

      I have to wonder if they've ever been pressured into "helping out" a three letter agency. Then again, I wonder if the Arabic terrorists actually use 'em. I don't actually know that they do. I can't say that I've ever seen a definitive study on the matter. ;-) (I haven't seen *any* study on the matter.) Yeah, I bet they use Windows. So, BRB, I'm gonna go scrub the 'net clean of all that cursed software!

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    25. Re:If you're reading this by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, they get so many bits of information and so many warnings that they're unable to properly process them for validity and importance.

      Do note, the above is just to explain why it might not have been incompetence. It might not be that the "authorities suck balls at doing their jobs" or the likes. They might be really good at it and it turns out that really good at it means that they catch 0.01%?

      Do also note, that nothing I've said above excuses their spying on their own citizens nor does anything I've said support the idea that they should be increasing their level of information gathering or should have greater access by means of lessening the effects of encryption. Sadly, I have to mention that because some folks can not decouple things like that. So, to them, if I say something like that then I obviously support it, hate freedom, and want to give up on the entire 1st Amendment. In short, some people are really stupid. Hopefully you're not some people. ;-)

      But, yeah... I can go dig it out again but the NSA's spying did lead to something like 24 cases that Vice was able to find out about. They're not giving a whole lot of details out but there have been some cases. I imagine that they think that they'll be able to do a better job if they have a more complete picture. That might be a valid opinion but I don't feel it's a valid approach.

      Rights come with responsibilities and, more importantly, they come with risks. Like the right to bear arms, the right to free speech is one that has risks. Those risks vary from people saying things that you don't like to people saying things that are conspiratorial in nature. Be it collusion or chatter, it needs to be protected and that includes the ability to do so without the government interfering or monitoring. Just like firearms, there's going to be bad shit happening to good people. That's what happens when you have a free people and a modicum of rights afforded to them.

      I can think of a few, speaking specifically for the US here, Amendments to the Constitution that support the idea that speech is protected and that that protection extends to encryption. Before reading this thread, I'd commented on it at the site I'm slowly building. I can point to it directly influencing my actions. Not because I wasn't reasonably aware that they were doing this prior to his revelations but because the tools to do things like add a certificate have gotten so much easier and because more and more people are aware of it so that it needs to be something that's done. Given that the site's goal is to provide a platform for people to speak as they wish, so long as it is civil, then it's in my best interests to ensure that they can do so with reasonable surety that their packets are going to the right place, not being intercepted, and that the site they went to is the site they believed they are going to.

      Of course, at the same time, I've also got it configured so that IP addresses aren't actually stored. Just hashes... Yeah, it means the statistics aren't as good as they could be but it also means that I can't turn that data over. I don't have it to give. They get processed, added to the total, and then tossed out to the wayside - only a hash is kept and that's stored. It means there's a few things I can't know. It means that the stats aren't as accurate as I'd like. It means that I can't go digging down into it. It even means that I might have some difficulty in keeping spam and uncivilized content off the site automatically.

      Yes, it means I may have to work harder to remove content that's uncivil. It makes it harder to effectively slow someone down (there's no such thing as allowing anonymity and banning people at the same time - and no words are blocked by default as no words can not be used in a civilized manner).* Yeah, it means that it'll be tougher to try to feed statistics into a machine and turn it into money to fund the site. One of the goals is that it must be entirely self-funding. Except my ef

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    26. Re:If you're reading this by KGIII · · Score: 1

      An interesting note, having just been curious and looked, is that they seem to indicate that some ~35,000 (a little lower) people died from terrorism *worldwide* in 2014 and it looks like the number is higher for 2015. I can not (I didn't spend all that long) put my finger on any definitive final numbers for 2015 but lots of places indicate that it was sharply on the rise. Given the active status of the Islamic State then I'm inclined to imagine it was even higher.

      I'm not sure where your estimate of 3000 came from? Are you referencing the 9/11 attacks? The total number of deaths? What are you going for? A good estimate, from what I have found, is some 25 Americans lose their life to terrorists while traveling abroad. I am unable to find the number of injured and counting just the deaths, and not the injuries, seems arbitrary and binary. I'm not actually sure what it is you're attempting to prove, however.

      If you're trying to prove that the number of deaths (or even injuries) is extremely low then I don't think you actually need to prove that. I think everyone, even the most hysterical of hysterical, is aware of that. I really don't think anyone's debating those numbers and I'm kind of baffled when people feel inclined to point that out. Err... No, I seriously think everyone's well aware of that. By everyone, I do mean everyone - even those idiots at the NSA and in other parts of the government. Hell, even the news media is aware of it and reports on it (mostly) honestly. I don't think too many people are inflating the numbers intentionally. I can't really think of anyone having inflated them unintentionally, come to think of it?

      So, where are you going with that? Are you saying, "Well, it's just a few more dead people. Who gives a shit?" Because that's what it looks like you're saying.

      'Cause the number of deaths due to terrorism is pretty damned low to begin with and I think the numbers show it is increasing. If you want to say that we're having our rights trampled on then you could just say that. The number of deaths really doesn't much matter, does it? I might be crazy, they tell me I'm not, but even if it were 50,000 people that died from terrorist related activities every year - I'd STILL not think that it justified them trampling on our rights.

      Nope... Still nope. How about now? Nope... You know what that nope is for? That's me answering, "Can you think of a good reason to trample on our rights in the manner in which they have?" Nope. Lemme think about it again... Nope. Nada. Nothing. Nope... "Wait... What about if we had terrorists right here on our soil and they were blowing stuff up every other day?" Hmm... Nope. Sorry, just not working for me. "How about if it was every day, would you willingly give up your right to encryption?" Still, no. "Well, doesn't that at least justify them spying on everyone?" Lemme think about that... Err... How about no. Nope... Still not now.

      There is no fucking magic number where it's okay to trample on our rights. There's no magic number of terrorists, criminals, pedophiles, bad people with guns, or whatever else you folks want to panic about this week and, when it reaches that point, say to hell with those pesky civil liberties and to toss that whole idea out the window.

      In other words, that they're off by an order of magnitude doesn't much matter. At least it shouldn't. There is no number that makes it okay to slurp up everyone's data. There is no number that makes it okay to weaken encryption. There is no number that makes it acceptable to take away our rights if we've not broken the law. None... No... And no, matters like that should *not* be subject to vote. The tyranny of the masses must not be allowed to prevail against the rights of the innocent.

      Obviously, there are some finite limits to this and a the Law of Diminishing Returns is ever present. Surely, this only applies to the topic at hand which is that of weakening encryption, spying on citizens, and the other things associated with the topic. We, as a society, can not (realistically) have the right to do as we please with regards to all things. That's obvious enough so that I should not need to state it but a certain subset of people are stupid and seem to believe others are as stupid as they.

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    27. Re:If you're reading this by KGIII · · Score: 1

      There's another one...

      *sighs*

      Second, the total aggregate count of people that have died to terror attacks doesn't even come close to the amount of people that die each year from choosing to smoke tobacco, so I'll take the encryption.

      Is there some magic number where the number of deaths due to terror attacks makes it okay for them to take away the right to encrypt your stuff? There is NO point where you say, "Okay, I'm scared now. Take away my right to encryption."

      Well no... That's wrong.

      There is no point where *I* say, "Okay, I'm scared now. Take away my right to encryption."

      There is no number of dead that makes me change my mind. There's no number of dead that makes me say, "Well, okay - it's for my own good." And yes, yes this does apply to me and it does mean that I may (I suppose) end up being harmed or having someone I love harm. An example might be that I had one of my very first serious girlfriends die in a car accident. I did not think we should outlaw automobiles. I didn't even give up driving.

      Shit, driving used to be much more deadly than it is now. If we just gave up and outlawed it, we'd have saved millions of lives - in the United States alone. It's like the people who piss when they see a firearm. They like to spout off a bunch of numbers as if those numbers are something I'm not aware of. They seem to think that there's a number where I say, "Well, you're right. Boy, was I sure silly. Here's my firearms and get me a pen so that I can personally amend that Constitution thing." And no, no I don't actually care if that number doubles or triples. (Trebles?)

      When you folks bring up numbers, that scares the shit out of me. No, not because the numbers scare me or make me see some hidden truth but because there's somewhere, in your head, where the numbers would justify this! No! No numbers justify this...

      *sighs* Well, at least you've given me something to write about. Thanks for that. Alas, I'm not a spammer so I'm not gonna just slap the URL up here and the likes. I will go write about it now. Seriously, you're like the second person who has mentioned this number thing as if the number matters. No!!! No the number does not. There is no magic number, with regards to this (yes, I need to be that specific, sadly), where it's okay to spy on citizens, scoop data, infiltrate networks and shunt the data out to a third party, retain the data, and things like that. There's no point at which it's okay to spy on those who have not done any ill deeds. There's no point where it's okay to disregard the ideals of due process. There's no time when it's okay to just ignore the rights of everyone because of the bad actions of a few.

      No...

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    28. Re:If you're reading this by epine · · Score: 1

      Tell that to the families of the women and children who are murdered in the net terrorist attack that could have been prevented had the NSA been able to monitor the terrorists communications as they are supposed to.

      Just curious. When is the last time you encountered an issue where you could see both sides, if ever?

      Your comment might even be worth a serious response if your comment contained any evidence (or hint of evidence) that your "other side of the issue" circuit wasn't discarded at birth.

      I know, I know. It's a high standard and a hard cross to bear.

    29. Re:If you're reading this by VirginMary · · Score: 1

      There were 3,000 terrorist fatalities in the US in 2014?

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    30. Re:If you're reading this by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      There is no number of dead that makes me change my mind

      Any number of dead, that includes you, makes your mind irrelevant.

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    31. Re:If you're reading this by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      You forgot to put safe in quotes...

    32. Re:If you're reading this by losfromla · · Score: 1

      Sorry, my bad, it was 3,000 in the past decade

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    33. Re:If you're reading this by losfromla · · Score: 1

      It was 3,000 in the last decade including 9/11, sorry I meant to have that in there. My bad.

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    34. Re:If you're reading this by losfromla · · Score: 1

      I agree with you regarding there being no number at which it would be ok for our rights to be not just trampled on but removed entirely. Encryption, the whole thing, I couldn't agree more, literally, I couldn't.

      However, the terrorist thing is a meme that is trotted out and put forth to drive fears. They may not inflate the numbers but they do drive the level of hysteria. They also talk about terror attacks being on the rise without mentioning that they are rising from a very low number. They use the bogeyman regardless of the numbers to provide cover for more of our rights to be trampled upon, if the numbers aren't motivating enough, they just describe isolated instances as view of a rising epidemic. A good book on this is a "A Culture of Fear" http://www.amazon.com/Culture-...

      Worldwide terror attack numbers are pretty meaningless, cause I don't live there. Terrorist attack death numbers are also probably massively inflated since they regard ISIS/Daesh as a terrorist organization while it is more of a de-facto government which happens to be in its formative phase.

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    35. Re:If you're reading this by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You seem to be arguing with me, when I was agreeing with the idea that encryption is important, no matter the excuse used to try to abolish it. My use of numbers, which you decry, was only to put a scope on the issue of terror attacks, and why the disproportionate fear and over-response is disproportionate and overreach.

      Sorry for being too subtle, I guess.

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  3. Cry me a river by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    Boohooo, we actually have to work now, that's not fair!

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    1. Re:Cry me a river by Chas · · Score: 1

      Exactly. This is the bitching of someone who is now expected to actually WORK for his paycheck.

      "They took away EasyMode! WAH!"

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    2. Re:Cry me a river by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Who does he think he is, a government employee or something?

  4. The spread of people caring about encryption. by blueshift_1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even more important than just the spread of Encryption itself, but the fact that more and more of the non-tech community is becoming acquainted with it and why it's important. It's exciting to see people who clearly prescribe to the "I just want my technology to work" thought process to be actually caring about the underlying processes.

    1. Re:The spread of people caring about encryption. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, most people I talk to still don't know or care how encryption work, but at least we're getting to where they don't ask "Why'd I need that, I have nothing to hide".

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    2. Re:The spread of people caring about encryption. by thewolfkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even more important than just the spread of Encryption itself, but the fact that more and more of the non-tech community is becoming acquainted with it and why it's important. It's exciting to see people who clearly prescribe to the "I just want my technology to work" thought process to be actually caring about the underlying processes.

      well arguably that was the point. Snowden made people care and that caring is what increased the pace of encryption growth

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    3. Re:The spread of people caring about encryption. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The important thing is that it becomes part of the feature checklist. People don't know how it works and what it can do, but they start demanding it anyway; and companies have to adapt to the market demand, or lose to their competitors.

  5. The free spread of information giveth... by Irick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The inconvenient thing about everyone's life becoming infinitely more visible in our little digital village is that everyone's life is infinitely more visible. Those who have the inclination can know as much as any expert in any field is willing to share, and those who have the inclination can use that expertise as they see fit.

    Tread lightly, you weary giants of flesh and steel. Wading head first into /dev/null is sure to fill the bitbucket in inconvenient ways.

  6. Not Snowden by HornyBastard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Snowden is not responsible for this.
    Clapper and his friends in the intelligence agencies have been abusing their spy powers for years with overreaching dragnet surveillance operations.
    If they were not such abusive, power hungry megalomaniacs, most people would not consider encryption a necessity.
    Clapper needs to take responsibility for his own actions, and not blame people who actually do something to protect and defend the constitution that he uses as toilet paper/

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    1. Re:Not Snowden by HumanWiki · · Score: 1

      That

      I think it's like this and like that and uh... encryption ain't nothin' but a G-Man thing.

    2. Re:Not Snowden by tom229 · · Score: 2

      The real hero is actually international consumers. The large US tech companies seem to have been willingly complicit in these surveillance operations. They only started backpedaling and offering encryption on all their services after the international community started looking outside the USA for infrastructure hosting. The American people, while i have nothing bad to say about them, would likely have just taken these revelations on the chin and done nothing (see the patriot act). So thank Snowden for the information, and the world for putting on the pressure. Thank free journalism and free market capitalism, these are the most important tools the world has.

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  7. I agree with freax - Thank You Snowden by nanodec · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It was at great peril and disregard to himself and his personal safety that Edward Snowden went into hiding due to proving yet again the danger of a government left unchecked, unquestioned and ungoverned. It is my hope that he is allowed to safety one day return to the US and take his place among the countless heroes there.

  8. Give Snowden the job, then. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    By making encryption more widespread, Snowden has done more for national security than the NSA has in the same time. Why don't we just give him Clapper's job?

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    1. Re:Give Snowden the job, then. by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, that's just it: how do you define security? The problem that the United States has is that computer system security and DHS anti-terrorism efforts have conflicting priorities, in no small part because we've become lazy about HUMINT.

    2. Re:Give Snowden the job, then. by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Probably because moral stands don't give you any increased skill in operating a large government agency.

  9. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by thewolfkin · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The fact is, the US hasn't been hit by a major attack since 9/11. That doesn't prove the security measures are effective or necessary, but it certainly doesn't discredit them. It's necessary for law enforcement to combat terrorism. There is no reason that facing terror attacks should be the price for freedom. Slashdot commenters are happy to criticize law enforcement but fail to offer better solutions to stop terrorism. If you don't like what law enforcement is doing now, what's your solution to keep terror attacks at least as infrequent as they are now?

    You know prison sexual assault has increased since 9/11. I theorize that the threat of prison rape is part of what deters terrorist attacks. For them it's a zero sum game now. Die or get violated. Since dying is so hard they don't bother anymore unless they can guarantee death. So you know what I now oppose people who try to work to end prison rape. Who cares about all the innocently assaulted prisoners. It's what keeps our country safe.

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  10. 7 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    -3 + 7 = 4

    1. Re:7 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The phrasing is bad. It's actually 7 - (-3) = 10. So, the predictions were for 10 years from 3 years ago or 7 years from today.

  11. lamest generation by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What a bunch of entitled whiners, probably makes their grandparents sick.
    "oh investigating crimes is too hard" "why won't you let me read your email" "if you're doing nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide"

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    1. Re:lamest generation by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "if you're doing nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide"

      If I've done nothing wrong, they have no reason to spy on me.

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    2. Re:lamest generation by Pizentios · · Score: 5, Funny

      it saddens me how many times i have argued this point with my parents. earliest memory of it was in grade 8, most recent was about 5 months ago when i tried to warn them about installing a cloud based video system into their house. At least i got to use the line: "what if there is somebody snooping on the non encrypted feed to your house and you guys are fucking in the living room". Sadly being former flower children they got turned on and promptly told me they had something important to attend to and made me leave.

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    3. Re:lamest generation by wafflemonger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "if you're doing nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide"

      If I've done nothing wrong, they have no reason to spy on me.

      What you are doing isn't illegal yet. Once it is, they have evidence.

    4. Re:lamest generation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the government is doing nothing wrong, why did they keep all this spying a secret?

    5. Re:lamest generation by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Then tell them that their friends might see them getting a pension plan or even buy stocks online!

      That should freak them out.

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    6. Re:lamest generation by sacrilicious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "if you're doing nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide"

      Response attributed to Snowden: "Saying you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don't care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say."

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    7. Re:lamest generation by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      "And that's how it happened?"

      "Yup! Nine months later, you were born, little sis."

    8. Re:lamest generation by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      "if you're doing nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide"

      Response attributed to Snowden: "Saying you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don't care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say."

      Thanks man. That goes to my QOTD file right next to "Anne Frank did nothing wrong".

    9. Re:lamest generation by rockout · · Score: 1

      Sadly being former flower children they got turned on and promptly told me they had something important to attend to and made me leave.

      Did you say "sadly" because you think arguing about the cloud is more important than fucking, or because they made you leave?

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  12. Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Funny how there is enough broad historic and current data in order to analyze this trend, but they can't (will not) provide a rough estimate of how many people have their comms/metadata sucked up into their data centers... funny that.

  13. Re:What about Aaron Swartz? Eric S. Raymond? by freax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I didn't minimize their accomplishments.

  14. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by Punko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yet he posted as AC - the irony here is palatable.

    The reasons why encryption is necessary for the internet to actually function are legion. The reasons why making things hard for government surveillance are likewise manifold.

    I am not obligated to provide you the education to realize that private communication being private goes to the core of western democracies. I ask you this: I could use physical mail to send communication back and forth. Without a warrant, this communication cannot be read. I could also write this communication in a code, before I mail it. These facts are set. The legal protection of these papers is set. Any yet, some people believe that electronic communication should not be private. There are wonderful existing reasons why physical mail is protected. Why have we allowed governments to decide that simply because the format of communication has changed, its protection is no longer needed?

    a professional spy working for a spy agency is complaining that the easy methods to gather communication are becoming obsolete, because folks are protecting their communication. Meanwhile, credit card agencies are bringing in tighter security to ensure credit cards are protected. Security is good for business. Security is good for the internet. Security is good for communication. Security is good for law enforcement. If the easy, cheap ways are beaten by simple encryption, then proper investigation is necessary. Getting permission to spend that money usually requires a warrant to justify its expenditure. Any government action/investigation that needs a warrant for justifications for invading an individual's rights will be done properly, using better tools.

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  15. Math is hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Four years ahead, not seven.

  16. just remember by superwiz · · Score: 1

    His job is not to complain. His job is information gathering and information warfare. Remember something else: all warfare is deception. This is not my paranoia. This is established understanding of how the world works. Now see what follows if you adapt this premise.

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    1. Re:just remember by Speck'sBacon · · Score: 2

      I believe you're referencing this: "All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near." --Sun-Tsu, "The Art of War"

  17. ebbs and flows by supernova87a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The thing to realize (and the way to view) these technology-based impacts to social/public policy is that power flows back and forth between the protagonists and antagonists over decades. And the newfound power that ordinary people now have (or just began to realize) is a gradual shift from government unsupervised/unchallenged intelligence, to protection in the hands of ordinary people.

    It's a refreshing public realization of what we've been giving up, unawares, because we didn't know any better. And note that it may not even last. People may forget why we need privacy, and vigilance against an all-pervasive state. They may choose to give it up in the name (not even reality) of security. Maybe there'll be another event that changes public opinion in favor of more surveillance. Or, people might gradually see the extent that stupidity/invasiveness has reached, and continue to make decisions with their wallets and votes.

    But as long as this issue has been around, the balance of power has, and will continue to, ebb and flow between the struggling parties on either side. (And note, the good guys / bad guys are not always definitively on the public/individual vs. government sides -- that can swap too.)

  18. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's necessary for law enforcement to combat terrorism.

    Law enforcement is the cops, not the NSA/CIA/etc. So, you're wrong.

    If you don't like what law enforcement is doing now, what's your solution to keep terror attacks at least as infrequent as they are now?

    Get the fuck out of the countries where terrorism comes from. They're trying to do the same thing we did to the British, but nowadays they have further reach.

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  19. FUD? or really 7 years ahead? by frootcakeuk · · Score: 1

    It would not surprise me in the slightest if this was just an attempt to make the masses believe we are more secure than we actually are. In the phone world at least, yes, Facebook have enabled e2e encryption by default and google push out regular security updates but, like a recent post spoke about, the updates are not filtering down to the end user instantly like they should be. Also, one minute I hear iOS is rock-solid and impenetrable, next it's been split apart worse than a bride on the wedding night, then it's secure again. Is this just yet another attempt at public manipulation? Or are they (3 letter acronyms) actually as fucked as 'The Clapper' implies?

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    1. Re:FUD? or really 7 years ahead? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      The iPhone 5c was well known to have a lesser encryption capability. So, you're not really hearing anything different, you're just hearing nuance which has been overblown. They wouldn't be able to use the same capability on even the 5s.

      And this could be manipulation, but honestly, if your operational security methods are sane, you don't go on public statements from people like Clapper. You just assume he's fucking with you and use tried and true methods for security.

      For instance, the Paris bombers didn't use encryption at all. They didn't need to. It is hard enough to find people who use plain old unencrypted burn phones. Clapper's probably trying to get them to use encryption which will then highlight them as someone to watch.

      Remember, if you're yelling at someone in a different language, no one needs to be able to understand your conversation to have an inkling that you may be foreign. In this case, if you use encryption, they're now able to see someone standing out in the crowd yelling something that is interesting. At that point, they merely follow the signal to its source and use the pipe wrench method of interrogation to get their passwords.

  20. 7-3=4 by dingleberrie · · Score: 2

    "The projected growth maturation and installation of commercially available encryption -- what they had forecasted for seven years ahead, three years ago, was accelerated to now, because of the revelation of the leaks."

    That reads like the revelations only pushed it ahead by 4 years.

    1. Re:7-3=4 by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Or you could think about it for a whole second and realize that maybe he meant "what was, three years ago, thought to be ten years out - seven years from now - is instead happening now". I don't know if that's actually what was meant, but it's a plausible interpretation of the quote and suggests a 10-year estimate instead of a 7-year one, which seems more plausible to begin with.

      On the other hand, three years ago, "seven years ahead" was 2020, so maybe they're saying that crypto is now where they thought it'd be in 2020. So either interpretation is plausible.

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  21. Good. by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    Clapper is a moron who is totally failing to see the bigger picture.

  22. Terrorists use encryption? by ilsaloving · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Didn't they establish that the most recent attacks were done using burner cell phones, and no encryption was involved at all?

  23. Phew by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

    The shortened timeline has had "a profound effect on our ability to collect, particularly against citizens of the world," he said.

    FTFY.

    You see, Mr. Clapper, no one believes you, specially considering the fact that we don't know of any terrorists or their plots that you've been able to expose for the past 20 years. None. However we approximately know your budget and how terrorism is basically a non-issue for people 'cause the number of people dying of other causes is several magnitudes higher. This "war" on terrorism is a plot against people, not for people.

    1. Re:Phew by surfdaddy · · Score: 2

      Nobody believes him because he's already a demonstrated liar.

  24. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    Yes, you're right, but the NSA and CIA do provide information to actual law enforcement for investigations and warnings. So this does affect law enforcement capabilities, if not directly.

    The question is whether the added capabilities are worth the price and that is a political one.

  25. Consider the source by swm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Clapper lied, under oath, to congress.
    He was given the questions he would be asked, in writing, before hand.
    He lied when asked those questions.
    When asked afterwards, in writing, if he wanted to amend any of his answers, he declined.
    He only admitted the truth after it came out in the Snowden revelations.

    Why would anyone now believe anything he says?

  26. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously? You want the Slashdot crowd to tell the WHOLE of the US security machinery how to do their jobs while respecting citizens rights & freedoms? That's not going to happen but here's some guidance:

    1) Accept that people WILL die - ~3100 since 9/11 to 2014 INCLUDING 9/11 deaths and including the perpetrators....that's .0002% of the citizenry alive in the US in any given year (e.g. estimating ~300 Million US citizens). e.g. 'You WILL Fail'...failure IS an option here....in fact it would go a LONG way for a President with real 'balls' to come out & say so...e.g. the 'price of freedom is that some people will die but as a free country we accept such risks because we value freedom above ALL OTHER VALUES'
    2) Understand the 'size' issue here...~10K people died due to drunk driving in the US in 2014 ALONE...that's in 1 year not 13 years as in above...so as an estimate that's ~40x differences in # of people dying due to drunk driven since 2001 to 2014...which one of these 'problems' should we be spending more resources on?...and that's just 1 example of 'unnecessary deaths', there are MANY more (murders etc.)...
    3) Do some fucking HARD work...you know, things like infiltrating organizations the old fashioned way.
    4) RESPECT the people's rights!
    5) More to the government policy as a whole than the security agencies themselves but...GET THE FUCK OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S COUNTRY...stop messing with duly elected governments (this doesn't just apply to the US but the 'free/democratic countries as a whole') and undermining THEIR choices...

    'You can have security or you can have freedom, never count on having both at once...'

    I guess that's about enough though I doubt anyone that has any ability to implement this guidance will ever take any of this to heart...

  27. So soon we will be up to Chinese standards? by Steve1952 · · Score: 1

    Note that this probably refers to civilian encryption being accelerated by seven years. Most likely many sensitive US government databases, such as the personnel database, still have the password "admin", with no encryption at all.

    1. Re:So soon we will be up to Chinese standards? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, it's okay, because the password is classified "TOP SECRET". ~

  28. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

    Law enforcement doing national level work is a perfect example of how badly FUBARed the entire 'war on terror' is.

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  29. Cmdr. Metadata on Star Trek by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    Technically it was the warrantless access by government that drove Snowden, which drove this.

    And sloppy, logless, no-tracking warrantless access at that.

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  30. Yawn by no-body · · Score: 1

    The underlying reasons for terrorism and whatever other perverted activities initiated by humans are not addressed, not even is the ability to look at those and recognize what is going on is remotely present!

    If one group says "A", the next group says no, it is "B", where the eliminating causes actions are "C".

    This Mr. Clapper is right in the middle of the blame/manipulate/denial/stroking his own butt game.

    And yeah, the idea that black holes could be gateways to other universes helps a lot...

  31. Except that Snowden didn't cause this to happen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The Federal government Alphabet Agencies are the cause for this.
    Snowden just let the puppies that they were going to drown out of the bag.

    Snowden still deserves a lot of gratitude, but let's be honest here. If the NSA/CIA/FBI weren't performing illegal/treasonous actions, Snowden wouldn't have had anything to blow the whistle on.

    So let's get all the people that gave Snowden something to report, line them up for an Execution^H^hve Branch Party.

  32. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by rkhalloran · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one here seriously has a problem with law enforcement monitoring legitimate suspects for potential risk. We *DO* have a serious problem with wholesale monitoring of personal communications, absent probable cause, in the hope of catching someone, somewhere, doing something they don't like. The notion of 'general warrants' by the British authorities was the reason for their explicit ban in the Fourth Amendment. And the whole 'Founders didn't have to deal with terrorists' argument is put to bed by a quote from Madison to Jefferson: "It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad." The majority of the disrupted terror plots since 9/11 have been accomplished by old-school boots-on-ground detective work, not by signals intelligence. There is no indication that plotters like the Boston Marathon bombers, etc, that *were* sadly successful had used any crypto in their communications. The 'lone wolf' nutcase is by nature hard to track. Most of the additional screening put in place since the attacks has been window dressing ("security theater") meant to make us feel safer, not particularly contributing to actual security. The solution to terrorism is NOT TO BE TERRORIZED, to deal with the nutjobs as just that, and refuse to turn ourselves into the sort of regulated police state they'd prefer to see.

  33. Re: What about Aaron Swartz? Eric S. Raymond? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and the DOJ is fair and just?

    35 years for downloading information that is free in the civilized parts of the world.

    there is no crime America can commit that is not supported by the ignorant masses 100%

    What happened to tommy Chong was also Justice? it only cost you a few million.

  34. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Terrorists rarely, if ever, use encryption. Those were some of the big reveals from the analysis of past terrorist attacks...they used simple low-tech ways of planning and organizing. So, the government does not need to break encryption to keep us safe from terrorism...that isn't the tool they are using.

    On the other hand, the government includes corrupt officials, who use their spying powers for their own personal (and illegal) profit, to our detriment. We must protect ourselves against that threat by the use of encryption.

    The government is using your fear of terrorism to convince you into making yourself more vulnerable to crime. Don't let them.

  35. What about Eric S. Raymond? by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 2

    If "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" were the only thing ESR had ever written, people might remember him more fondly. Crediting him with creating "open source software as we know it today" is a wonderful troll though.

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    1. Re:What about Eric S. Raymond? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You mean if he didn't write this post and then have to watch his "wealth" get flushed down the fucking toilet because VA systems was a shit company with a shit product and a shit board?

  36. It is not him it is YOU by Dorianny · · Score: 1

    CORRECTION Your blanket, warrentless spying is the reason for the mass adoption of Encryption. If you had developed a program that was honest, forthcoming with clear and strong safeguards instead of running a clandestine black-ops style program then people would not have been so shocked and appalled and rushed to defend themselves and their communications from your greasy fingers

  37. Encryption by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Is turning random characters into an a with a circumflex[1] a form of encryption?

    [1] That thing you call a "chinaman hat", manishs.

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  38. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

    Well considering that if one wanted to pull of a major terror attack it wouldn't require much thinking it seem that there are either very few terrorists or the ones that are here are so dumb I'm surprised they don't choke on their own tongues. Likely it is both and there are very few terrorists in the US and those that are here and the ones who are here are only slightly smarter than a jar of mayonnaise from what gets reported. If I wanted to pull off a major terror attack the simplest one I could think of would be to go and get 20 of my terrorist buddies, and each go and make a couple of bombs from smokeless powder. One goes in one of those suitcases that everyone knows is to large to fit into the overhead bin but no one says anything to you about because you're a dick head. The other goes in a larger backpack. Then on some nice busy travel day you and your 20 terrorist buddies go to 20 different large airports and detonate your suitcase + backpack bombs in the middle of the security lines at the same time. The easy thing here is anyone can go get into the line and you don't even have to buy a ticket. If you pick the winter time you could also have a suicide vest on under a coat for a little added punch and no one would be the wiser.

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  39. why keep giving aid and comfort to the enemy? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

    ie, why keep giving CLAPPER more air time and press time?

    he's a traitor (by many definitions of the term) and he's definitely anti-freedom and I dare say, anti-american. he's a pox upon us.

    why keep giving this idiot more and more air-time?

    WE SHOULD BE IGNORING HIS BULLSHIT.

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  40. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    What is it about digital communications that makes it any different from written communications?

    We all use the United States Postal Service to send letters, bills, renumeration for bills, etc., and none of it is subject to Government snooping. What gives them the legal right to snoop electronic communications?

    Answer: nothing. There is no legal difference between me encrypting an email and sending it, and me encoding a piece of written correspondence with a one-time pad and putting a stamp on it. The Government cannot and should not be able to do jack shit about it without a proper legal warrant, approved by a sitting judge.

    Absent that warrant, Director Clapper can go fist himself. And if he has a problem with that, he can review the 1st and 4th amendments.

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  41. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So far, they haven't provided any information leading to prevention of terrorism. They have provided plenty of red herrings.

    All they have managed to do is bust a few drug trafficers, and that at the cost of undermining justice in the U.S. It's really not worth the cost.

  42. Re:What about Aaron Swartz? Eric S. Raymond? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Swartz broke an obscure law that did nothing but line the pockets of a few to the damage of many. Swartz probably did not even consider that such a thing was possible. Hell, when I read it I had a hard time imagining that this is actually illegal in a country like the US, until I realized that profit trumps any right you might think you have.

    What happened afterwards can only be described as legal bullying.

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  43. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by clodney · · Score: 1

    I ask you this: I could use physical mail to send communication back and forth. Without a warrant, this communication cannot be read. I could also write this communication in a code, before I mail it. These facts are set. The legal protection of these papers is set. Any yet, some people believe that electronic communication should not be private. There are wonderful existing reasons why physical mail is protected. Why have we allowed governments to decide that simply because the format of communication has changed, its protection is no longer needed?

    While I agree with where you want to end up, the problem is not the difference in treatment between a physical letter and an electronic one. Warrantless access in most cases is limited to metadata. Law enforcement does need a warrant to read your email (with the exception of the glaring "still on the server after 6 months" exclusion). And they haven't (yet) proposed to make it illegal to encrypt it with the software of your choice before sending. What they have done is proposed that US companies can not provide you with secure encryption. Which is kind of the difference between DRM to stop the casual user and thinking it will stop all piracy.

    If I had to offer a compromise between what I want and what the feds want, I could live with this:
    * Access to a device requires a warrant
    * Any form of encryption backdoor requires physical access to the device
    * Using the backdoor breaks the device or in some unambiguous way signals that the backdoor has been used.

    I don't mind a backdoor existing in that limited scenario. My concern is what happens if backdoors can be applied remotely, non-destructively and without a warrant. That way takes us right back to mass surveillance. But if they first have to get my phone, and opening the backdoor either breaks the device or makes it clear that the backdoor is open, it becomes less likely to be abused.

    I recognize that any backdoor represents a lessening of overall security. But I think the government doesn't care.

  44. "particularly against terrorists" by zedaroca · · Score: 2

    The shortened timeline has had "a profound effect on our ability to collect, particularly against terrorists," he said

    We are all glad it had a profound effect on your ability to collect against the other people, you know, us, the innocent that you used to lie about not collecting anything.

    particularly against terrorists

    How would you know? It's encrypted. Unless the communication was from a know terrorist (like one featured in a magazine), in which case not doing anything but complain about their encryption is plain and simple failing at your job.

    Anyway, we know you collected the communications of the terrorists you let do the attack in Paris, it was not encrypted.

  45. ESR's writings by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

    I could not begin to list all of the crazy things ESR has written, especially since CatB. Rationalwiki has a collection, and they do mention his non-batshit writing, but essentially everything in the last fifteen years has been a stain on his character. Honestly, even before that he was a little unhinged. He has his place in open source history, but the best that you can say about him these days is that no one listens to him.

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  46. They found terrorists? When? by emil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How can encryption have "a profound effect on our ability to collect, particularly against terrorists" when they never found any terrorists to begin with?

    You can cite the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board’s review on section 215, and their specific quotes, this is their words, “We are aware of no instance in which the [mass surveillance] program directly contributed to the discovery of a previously unknown terrorist plot or the disruption of a terrorist attack."

    On May 31, 2015, the most controversial aspects of Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which included the collection of phone records (among others) in bulk, expired.

    President Obama did not agree with the board's decision, which was announced in January 2014: "I believe it is important that the capability that this program is designed to meet is preserved."

    We can only assume that the justification for bulk collection has little to do with terrorism.

    1. Re: They found terrorists? When? by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      Agreed. It has everything to do with spying on anyone who challenges the status quo - legally, peacefully and legitimately. This isn't about terrorists. It's about a ruling elite who want to counter and suppress legal opposition.

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    2. Re: They found terrorists? When? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      anyone who challenges the status quo - legally, peacefully and legitimately

      The two sides of that description are mutualy contradictory. "Challenging the status quo" has neve been "legal" or "legitimate." At least, not in the view of the status quo, who are the only people whose opinion matters. (Again, in the veiw of the status quo.)

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  47. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by wierd_w · · Score: 2

    I see the word "metadata" thrown around like it means something innocuous.

    This makes me very disturbed.

    Metadata, is data about data.

    That can take a wide universe of forms. It could be something as simple as an access statistic, to a simple parity bit for each byte on media, down to full data protection correction codes to prevent corruption of the data. (say RLL encoding, or the full parity stripe set from a disk array-- or both together.)

    All of those are metadata.

    Some are more or less harmless as individual pieces of information-- such as the access log for a file.

    Others allow you to completely reconstitute the data they describe, and basically are functionally the same as giving them the data.

    Blandly just saying "it's just metadata!" is ignorant at best, and willfully disingenuous at worst.

    Given that these agencies have some very intelligent/capable people working for them, I cannot attribute it to incompetence. I have to seriously consider blatant malice.

    Given that these people are able to make a quantification of exactly how much Snowden accellerated encryption adoption, this means that they have been actively observing and metricising encryption adoption for some time, otherwise they would have no baseline from which to make such a detetmination. Since this is a requirement for their metric to be accurate, coupled with how angry they are about it changing ahead of their projections, it means that these people are clearly not ignorant, and are actively engaged in malicious intent to violate privacy, and to stay ahead of advancements that would lock them out.

    The "metadata" rhetoric came straight out of one of these agencies. I know what forms metadata can take, and it is not all just benign metrics data. What kinds of metadata do they collect, and how do they use it?

    Do they use it to reconstitute messages of people they do not have warrants for?

    If so, they are violating the right of privacy and security of papers and posessions of the people they are collecting metadata on.

    "Just metadata!" is not justification for looking aside. There IS something to see there citizen, do NOT just move along.

    See for instance: This bit of cleverness.

    The feds want to know about the contents of my voicemail mailbox. They dont have a warrant, and have been given absurd power to demand "metadata" without a warrant.

    They can thus demand:

    Information about the file format used by voice messaging system.

    The dates and times of the messages.

    The disk parity data for the files implicated, and the data stored in the block inode (whatever filesystem this.) which gives what blocks were written, and in what order-- along with total file size, and some other useful tidbits, like parity data, and if compression was used, the entries of the dictionary and how well each block was compressed.

    With this information, the possible solution space for reconstruction is narrowed down from the total permutation of a file of n length, to one of n length which follows the conventions and behaviors of that file format, with data comprised of atoms contained in the dictionary, further constrained by internal granularity structure imposed by how well compressed each block was, and then finally on each byte, with even-odd parity or disk-stripe parity.

    The resulting reduced solution space takes a previously insurmountable problem, and renders it into a "computationally expensive, but reasonably possible" one.

    The more useful pieces of metadata they can bring against it, the greater their odds of successfully reconstructing the data they want without needing a warrant.

    No. I will not accept "it's just metadata!" as an excuse.

    They need a warrant for metadata as well, as far as I am concerned.

  48. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Terrorism cannot be stopped. That is the whole reason why people are doing it. Even the most repressive regimes in history had terrorism. You can reduce it by not pissing off so many people, e.g. by not killing a lot of innocent bystanders with drones, but that is it. You can to an inordinate amount of damage trying to stop terrorism or by pretending to be trying to.

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  49. Good to know by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    Snowden stopped the wholesale abrogation of civil rights, seven years sooner than the spies would like?
    Give that man the Medal of Freedom, HE earned it!

  50. Re:People must have been ignoring Chinese spies by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    No, ISIS and AQ were deeply in bed with the encryption movement long ago.
    Now it's ordinary U.S. citizens, saving their rights against unreasonable search in defiance of criminal 3 lettered agencies of repression.
    Good for you Snowden!

  51. "Complain" by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    I don't known if it's the proper word here: smells sensationalism (just saying...)

  52. Fantastically Stupid Quote by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    James Clapper said. The shortened timeline has had "a profound effect on our ability to collect, particularly against terrorists,"

    Huh? What?

    Is it "terrorists" that are the primary users of encryption?

    Dear Jimmy Clap: "[Citation Needed]"

  53. Re:What about Aaron Swartz? Eric S. Raymond? by KGIII · · Score: 2

    An obscure law? The dude broke into a closet and wrote customized software to make copies of things he was not authorized to copy and give them to other people who were not authorized to view them and, in the process, caused major issues to two different networks of computers. This is not the act of some petty offender who has broken an obscure law and then been hammered for it. Hell, I think they offered him something like six months?

    To even mention him, in connection with Snowden, is to do Snowden a disservice. One's a common criminal and the other one is accepting the consequences of his actions. What's that? Well, the consequences are that he's a wanted man and now has to live in *RUSSIA* for the rest of his life and only so long as he is politically useful. His life and freedom hang on a thread - he's got the Sword of Damocles hanging above him and, surely, ulcers the size of lamprey mouths.

    One's an attention whoring coward and the other as close to a hero as you can get without actually getting the title.

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  54. Gun != Encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am all for encryption but I would like to point out the flaw in this argument. Gun can take lives while encryption cannot.

    1. Re:Gun != Encryption by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I thought that's the whole argument behind that bullshit, that he can't spy on us so people get to kill other people because he doesn't find them in time?

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    2. Re:Gun != Encryption by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      Except they never found a terrorist, or managed to prevent a terrorist act by cracking encryption.

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  55. Re:More women working has weakened the US by andymadigan · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the oligarchs weakened the US, and I doubt any of them are feminists. Certainly the Koch brothers aren't, neither is Trump.

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  56. Something doesn't add up by dotslashdot · · Score: 1

    If three years ago their prediction for encryption use in seven years exists today, then it's only accelerated by four years.

  57. NSA spying to protect us from terrorists? by tetraverse · · Score: 1

    It is a truth universally acknowledged, that the state security apparatus expends most of their efforts spying on their own people, under the bogus pretext of protecting us from the 'terrorists'.

  58. Re: What's your plan to stop terrorism? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

    Get them out of 'their' country.

    Sorry that wasn't so obvious.

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  59. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by clodney · · Score: 1

    I completely agree that metadata is 99% as dangerous as actual data, but my reply was limited to the current state, where they are legally distinct from one another.

  60. James Clapper is a criminal and belongs in prison by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    with his other criminal buddies.

  61. George Bernard Shaw by NewYork · · Score: 1

    "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." --George Bernard Shaw

  62. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    There is a difference, though. Given a warrant, LEOs can open your mail. Even with a warrant, LEOs can't break strong encryption with decent key management. I'm against banning strong encryption for several reasons, but it does carry its own issues.

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  63. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by clodney · · Score: 1

    To make this point, I simply keep pointing out that the term "metadata" contains the word "data" and therefore metadata is data. To which, there is no logical reply except agreement.

    And the word "women" includes the word "men", so therefore women are men?

    One crucial distinction between the content and the usual metadata - who you called and for how long for instance, is that it really can't be encrypted. The network needs to know who you are calling so they can connect you. It needs to know where you are so it can route the call to the correct cell tower. And for billing purposes it will keep track of how long the call lasts. Even it there are technical solutions to that, there is no incentive for the network operator to pursue them. But content can be encrypted in a way that doesn't interfere with network operations, in a fashion analogous to the fact that the postal service doesn't need to know what is inside the letter in order to deliver it.

  64. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    Yeah, they can open the mail, but if the message inside is encrypted with a one-time pad (as I mentioned) they're still fucked and unable to decrypt it.

    I ask again, why is it different if it's digital?

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  65. Re:What's your plan to stop terrorism? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    The difference is that, in the case of the post office, the LEOs can see what I sent, but that isn't the case with strong encryption. Practically, the difference is between security the user has to work for and security the user doesn't.

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