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Yahoo's Marissa Mayer In Line For $55M Severance If Fired Within A Year Of Sale (nytimes.com)

whoever57 writes: A Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) filing on Friday revealed that Yahoo's board has agreed to a $55 million severance package for Marissa Mayer if she loses her job within a year of a sale. That's a lot of money for a chief executive who hasn't been able to keep Yahoo's stock from falling. In 2015, the value of Yahoo's stock fell by 33%. Worth noting: most of the money from the severance package is composed of restricted stock units and options -- there's only $3 million in cold hard cash. Also, Yahoo revealed Mayer received a significant pay cut last year. Her "reported pay" was $36 million, but her "realized pay" is closer to $14 million.

181 comments

  1. Bah! by DaMattster · · Score: 2, Informative

    She shouldn't get jack shit! Tossed out on her ass. She upended many people's lives by discontinuing the work from home option. She only cares about Marissa Mayer.

    1. Re:Bah! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0, Troll

      She upended many people's lives by discontinuing the work from home option.

      When did working from home became a right in Silicon Valley?

    2. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      About the same time getting 55 million dollars for tanking a company?

    3. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe golden parachutes should be based on performance (long-term, over the course of employment).

      They shouldn't automatically get millions just for taking on a risky job.

    4. Re:Bah! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      About the same time getting 55 million dollars for tanking a company?

      Golden parachutes for corporate executives has been the norm for decades. Working from home is not the norm for most Silicon Valley employees. I only had one job in the last 20+ years that allowed working from home.

    5. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was tanked long before she got there. She helped it go down, but it was going there anyway.

    6. Re: Bah! by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      When did just not coming in on Fridays weekly become a thing? You don't know shit, my friend.

      The same time that working through breaks and lunch and staying an extra hour every day became a thing..

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    7. Re:Bah! by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Informative

      This happens because directors who sit on many boards want to make sure that when they get the boot, the huge payout will be easier to justify - "Just look at what they got for tanking the company." It has zero to do with performance, or they would have just fired her. It's not like they had to agree to this deal

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    8. Re:Bah! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter if it's a "right". Sufficient demand is good enough. It's one of those things where organization might be needed. Unfortunately there wasn't enough in Yahoos case to reverse her decision. In short people can exercise their right to set their working conditions.

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    9. Re:Bah! by elrous0 · · Score: 0

      Consider it a $55 million stupidity fine on the Yahoo board for being stupid enough to buy into a bunch of "A female CEO will fix everything!" SJW bullshit.

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    10. Re:Bah! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      So because you didn't get it, fuck everyone else who did, right?

      No, I asked when it became a right to work from home. If your employment contract allows you to work from home, take advantage of it. However, that's not the norm for most Silicon Valley workers.

      Sounds like you're the one with sour grapes here.

      I would love for the hipsters in my office to work from home so they can stop complaining about how bad their 30 minute commute from San Francisco to Palo Alto was. I commute from the opposite direction and it takes an hour on the express bus (or two hours on the local bus), but I don't go on a daily hissy fit about my commute.

    11. Re:Bah! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      It's money laundering. "Undocumented" income suddenly finds itself on paper, squeaky clean. And no doubt it can be written off.

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    12. Re: Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only right anyone has its to go get a new job

    13. Re: Bah! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      If we organize we can assert more than that.

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    14. Re: Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As someone with 11 years in the industry, working lunch, no breaks and staying extra hours is unfortunately the norm. At the end of the day, if the company isn't yours, then its up to you how much effort you want to put in. If you can live with that, then go for it. After all you are all big boys and gals.

    15. Re: Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sounds like real leadership deserving of 55 million then.

    16. Re: Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assertion failed.

    17. Re:Bah! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      In short people can exercise their right to set their working conditions.

      They have the right to find another job. California is an at-will state after all.

    18. Re: Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Less than 100 people were impacted by that decision. It was more a statement than a tough business call.

      Sure, she's unpleasant and incompetent as a CEO, but this story has been blown out of proportion.

    19. Re: Bah! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Sure, she's unpleasant and incompetent as a CEO, but this story has been blown out of proportion.

      If "unpleasant and incompetent" earns you $55million just to go away, I'm gonna start shopping for a yacht.

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    20. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I dont blame her for asking (and getting) that. It isn't all that uncommon for women to be placed in positions like this - its essentially the flip side of a glass ceiling and its called the glass cliff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_cliff). She likely knew she was going to be in a world of hurt. Why else would she have stuck around so long? Its not like this has been overnight....

    21. Re: Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then get the fuck off Slashdot and do it. Sitting at home isn't helping.

    22. Re:Bah! by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yahoo was in a death spiral before she came on board. She was hired to make changes to try to save the company. Then people were upset when she made changes. I don't see how letting people work from home was going to right a sinking ship. If they came to work and worked together they may have been able to do something. It was too late, and nothing she tried was able to save the company.

    23. Re:Bah! by Zeio · · Score: 0

      I really, really dislike this fraud Mayer. She should be in prison for the embezzling and lack of fiduciary responsibility during her tenure as CEO. She has caused the loss of thousands of jobs. I used to talk about how bad this Mayer was before she took the helm and people poo-pooed me. I turned out I was 100% correct about this woman being a know-nothing fraud. She was also hated at Google just as much. She is a low life criminal as far as I'm concerned.

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    24. Re:Bah! by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

      And they can "create" the right through organized action to make their present job better. It has been to known to work before, and we all enjoy the benefits.

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    25. Re: Bah! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Not at all. You enjoy many of the benefits of organized job action. And there are many more.

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    26. Re:Bah! by sphealey · · Score: 1

      /\ This /\

    27. Re:Bah! by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This. The guys sitting on the non-exec boards or renumeration boards are mostly from the same pool of people who are directors themselves in other companies. One hand washes the other... They're basically stealing from the shareholders, who mostly don't mind because the large institutional investors like pension funds are run by the same guys.

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    28. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shit man, come to austin some time. I used to see the same thing, people would complain about such trivial crap. I have worked at some really junky jobs (like a fiber optiic plant in NC) none of these idiots have a clue what "horrible" working conditions are.

      Sometimes I wanted to shove that ping pong paddle right up their entitled assholes.

    29. Re:Bah! by sphealey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Yahoo Board that rejected Microsoft's $43 billion takeover offer are the parties who committed breach of fiduciary duty. Everything that came after that has been a desperate attempt to stack sandbags in front of a tsunami.

      sPh

    30. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bingo! The biggest tell to this is asking the shareholders what they think of this deal. I mean, there are in fact the owners of the company, right?

      This is an organizational problem where boardmembers can decide the fate of one of their own, and they are completely shielded from the actual owners.

      There is a case to be made about the balance of power between the business and the shareholders, and the board is meant to balance the concerns of the two.

      But as of late, it has translated into excessive CEO pay and golden parachutes, and until the SEC decides to grow a pair and start prosecuting for racketeering or investor throw up their hands in disgust and refuse to give money to these assholes, nothing is going to change.

    31. Re:Bah! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      And they can "create" the right through organized action to make their present job better.

      You typically do that while negotiating your contract before being hired. It's called a perk, not a right.

      It has been to known to work before, and we all enjoy the benefits.

      This has been brought up repeatedly on Slashdot over the years. I have never heard of anyone attempting to organize technical workers into a union. Probably because technical workers are white collar workers and not blue collar workers. Never mind that technical workers are like a herd of cats.

    32. Re:Bah! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I wanted to shove that ping pong paddle right up their entitled assholes.

      Now there's a fine idea. Alas, my job doesn't have a ping pong table.

    33. Re:Bah! by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      They shouldn't automatically get millions just for taking on a risky job.

      Well, the people who are actually putting up the money think differently. They were betting that they needed a big name for their company, someone who would appeal to the tastes of the Silicon Valley elites. To get that, they needed to pay top dollar. Was it a good choice? Who knows. When they hired Mayer, Yahoo was already in deep trouble, so maybe she did as best as anybody could have.

      In different words, it's not your decision to make. If you are a smarter investor than the owners of Yahoo, go right ahead and show it by investing your own money more wisely. If you do, you'll end up very rich and don't have to complain about who they do or don't hire.

    34. Re:Bah! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Philosophizing on what is a "right" is a waste of time. I'm only saying that people create their own working conditions. Organization is just one of those ways. Both sides are asserting power, which is always in balance.

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    35. Re: Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got 50 cents. I'm sure you won't find a more attractive offer.

      Fine. I'm doubling my offer to $1. And that includes free swimming lessons in case your ability to steer your own ship is about as competent as your ability to steer this ship.

      That's cash money, right now. And free swimming lessons.

      Uh... while I applaud your ability to increase your capacity for unpleasantness and incompetence... there is only so much that can be done.

      Maybe a shiny nickle to sweeten the deal?

    36. Re:Bah! by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Bingo! The biggest tell to this is asking the shareholders what they think of this deal. I mean, there are in fact the owners of the company, right?

      Shareholder vote primarily by buying and selling. And shareholders are asked constantly about what they think, namely when someone else offers to buy their shares at the current price. When Mayer was hired in 2012, the stock price didn't change much.

    37. Re: Bah! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      So do thousands of janitors. Sadly your experience is about as worthwhile as theirs.

      If you want to make money in IT, cleaning up messes is part of the job.

    38. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uh, no.

      There has been a long effort by shareholders to discipline CEO pay. A quick search will reveal the thousands of stories of shareholders voting against any increases, and in fact the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act was passed in part to address this very issue.

      http://www.nasdaq.com/article/shire-shareholders-rebel-over-ceo-payupdate-20160428-01096

      But they don't sit on the board and don't get to make that decision.

      Conversely, there are numerous stories of shareholders making outrageous demands from business, effectively pushing them towards short-term gains and long-term financial ruin.

      tl;dr You have nothing to offer except hot air on the issue.

    39. Re: Bah! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      The same time that working through breaks and lunch and staying an extra hour every day became a thing.

      As an IT support contractor I'm not allowed to work through breaks and lunch and stay an extra hour. I could get fired for doing that. It's been like that for 12+ years.

    40. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But she's a woman! With a laugh that would make a donkey blush!

    41. Re: Bah! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Wait, $1.05 just to be unpleasant and incompetent? Is that in cash or stock options?

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    42. Re: Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just to go away

      I'm sure i can rustle up a dogeared copy of Hooked-on-Phonics if you can add permanently to your contract.

    43. Re:Bah! by supremebob · · Score: 1

      You might have trouble hounding her if she decides to hide in some 500 acre walled estate property in Marin County. With that 55 million dollar severance check, she can afford it.

    44. Re: Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must hold a very junior position!

    45. Re: Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Risky?? How so? I see lots of sinecure, zero personal risk, for the Witch of Sunnyvale.

    46. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but You gotta pay up for the fucking rare talent Besides, she made the 'tough' decisions, etc.

    47. Re: Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yahoo has been in steady decline long before she left Google to try her hand at Yahoo.

    48. Re: Bah! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You must hold a very junior position!

      Nope. I'm a senior system administrator. Neither the government nor Fortunate 500 companies wants to pay overtime anymore.

    49. Re: Bah! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Sorry broham - tech workers are NOT white collar.

      They are when they wear a white polo shirt. ;)

    50. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commuting sucks. But most smart people should be aware of what they get into before they start the job. Also 30 minutes from SF to Palo Alto isn't even possible outside of rush periods, it is about 35 miles.

    51. Re:Bah! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Also 30 minutes from SF to Palo Alto isn't even possible outside of rush periods, it is about 35 miles.

      It is when your job starts at 7:00AM in the morning.

    52. Re:Bah! by Tensor · · Score: 1

      Sad.

      This is not how real life works.

      She signed a contract, this is in it. period. Are you really suggesting with a straight face that it would be ok for a company to unilaterally break a binding work contract cos she made people ACTUALLY GO TO WORK ?? ... indeed, the devil incarnate, burn the bitch !!!

      This is exactly the kind of entitlement problem that faces the workforce today. Yours obviously, not hers. Me? i´d just want to know who she hired to negotiate her contract!

    53. Re:Bah! by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      What an idiot - you need to get a geography lesson. The Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act doesn't apply to companies headquartered in Ireland. Also, the guy still got his increase, despite shareholders being against it. The shareholders can, of course vote out the board of directors, but that's a different story than having any direct say in CEO pay.

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    54. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahem:

      The Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010, (“Dodd-Frank”) requires publicly traded companies to hold non-binding (advisory) “say-on-pay” proxy votes at least once every three years on executive compensation policies.

      http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/112013/executive-pay-how-much-do-shareholders-really-care.asp

      You could a few lessons in decorum and research before you make such an ass of yourself.

      The most important difference between the U.S. approach to say-on-pay and evolving regulations in Europe is that U.S. companies are not legally required to address negative shareholder votes, as European corporations may soon be required to do.

      Europe already has stricter regulations regarding.

    55. Re:Bah! by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      RISK, what fucking risk. Being an over paid lame arse for a few years with a massive golden parachute at the end of it, WHAT FUCKING RISK?!?

      Demoted as useless at Google, pretends otherwise but proves it at Yahoo, bringing nothing and just trying to the same old, same old, steal other people's idea and claim them as her own, which is why she wanted everyone in the office, to do exactly that. Perhaps she can get a job a Mars and she can be a spokesperson for https://www.youtube.com/watch?....

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    56. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "7:00AM in the morning". Are there other 7:00AM's not-in-the-morning that we aren't aware of?

      But anyway, if your job starts at 7am you are not a real tech employee, you are a tech SUPPORT employee...

    57. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Working from home as a Yahoo employee that worked from home was a normal expectation. She ruined Yahoo as an employer with that move for so many people. Piss off.

    58. Re:Bah! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      "7:00AM in the morning". Are there other 7:00AM's not-in-the-morning that we aren't aware of?

      Palo Alto traffic is hell on earth after 8AM. Most SANE people try to get here earlier than that. I chose to start work at 7AM because the express bus gets me into and out of Palo Alto quickly by avoiding the rush hour traffic.

      But anyway, if your job starts at 7am you are not a real tech employee, you are a tech SUPPORT employee.

      That's funny. I need to tell the engineers from HP, Nest, SAP and vmWare on the express bus that get them to their sites at 6:30AM that joke. I'm sure they will get a good laugh.

    59. Re: Bah! by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      At Yahoo working from home was clearly party of the culture. You might call it an internal 'right'. I'd liken it to the parking issues frequently seen locally. At several software development companies In familiar with the first sign of trouble (for devs) was when the prevailing egalitarian first-come-first-served approach to employee parking was changed to reserve parking spaces for Managers and the devs can fight it out amongst themselves. It only goes downhill after that.... When the non-coders and non-creators reserve privilege to themselves....and reduce the effective benefits to those who actually create the product and maintain it.

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    60. Re:Bah! by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Shareholders votes on pay are only advisory, not binding.

      He went on to detail the method of calculation of the Chairman and CEO’s remuneration.

      The Committee consults with a specialist in remuneration and human capital, as well as executive compensation benchmarks. This consultation helps to ensure the appropriateness of the level of compensation set, particularly with regard to the remuneration of leaders of comparable groups.

      The remuneration of the Chairman and CEO is then discussed and voted upon by the Board of Directors, in the absence of Mr Ghosn, to ensure full independence of the Board.

      Since 2014, the “Say on Pay” reform requires the submission of an advisory opinion by shareholders on the remuneration of executive directors in respect of the preceding fiscal year. In according with the Board’s decision, the remuneration of the Chairman and CEO consists of a fixed and a variable portion.

      The board of directors need not follow the advisory opinion of the shareholders. When you write "evolving regulations" and "may soon be required"", that's just a lame attempt to ignore the current reality, while tacitly conceding that European companies are not bound by such votes... My points still stands, The Frank-Dodd act doesn't apply to European companies, and the board of directors of European companies are free to ignore the solely advisory vote of the shareholders.

      So, why don't you sign up for both geography and current history lessons , before, to use your own words, you make such an ass of yourself.

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    61. Re:Bah! by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      Very possibly that would be a good decision. However, it's up to the company's owners to make that decision, not you or I.

      Or rather, for their designated representatives.

      Seems at times to work out about as badly for those whose (alleged) representatives run corporations as for those whose (alleged) representatives run governments.

      As it happens, the rules that govern how those owners' representatives are selected and decide matters come from government.

      (See the third paragraph. Proceed with caution, to avoid infinite recursion.)

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    62. Re:Bah! by Tensor · · Score: 1

      Maybe, even better!, you can do whatever you want with your company and let them do whatever they want with theirs. if people like what you do they´ll put money into your company and out of theirs ... almost like an equilibrium of sorts

    63. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because something is "the norm" doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do

    64. Re: Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      H1B visa workers do not have that right.

  2. What's Yahoo?! by headkase · · Score: 2

    And therein lies the problem. Yahoo! isn't relevant any longer. I don't even know the last time I even thought of it.

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    1. Re:What's Yahoo?! by raftpeople · · Score: 1

      And where did they get 55 million, I wonder if that's space cash?

    2. Re:What's Yahoo?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yahoo has the best fantasy sports platform out there, bar none. Not of much interest to most of us geeks, I know, but Yahoo definitely owns some valuable stuff.

    3. Re:What's Yahoo?! by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1
      From the summary:

      Worth noting: most of the money from the severance package is composed of restricted stock units and options -- there's only $3 million in cold hard cash.

      $55M is more of an idea, a gesture. It is Yahoo! stock, I assume.

    4. Re:What's Yahoo?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually find that their search results tend to be pretty concise and relevant (where anything actually can be found, but if not, you're through a lot faster). Makes it quite easier to find the wheat among the chaff than Google et al. I am afraid that without an ad blocker, it would likely look a lot worse, so users like me still do not make for a good revenue model.

    5. Re:What's Yahoo?! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yahoo! had around $5bn in sales last year with a 56.65% gross profit margin - they made around $2bn in profits from their ad business alone. That's not exactly a failing company. They're small in comparison to the likes of Google, but a big part of their financial trouble is that they own 20% of Alibaba, which turned out to be a spectacularly good investment and they made more money from their investments than they did from operating the company. This makes investors nervous (if they wanted to own a stock whose value tracked the performance of Alibaba, they'd have bought Alibaba, not Yahoo!). The doom and gloom pronouncements have more to do with Wall Street than Silicon Valley.

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    6. Re:What's Yahoo?! by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      And how does handing someone who's leaving the company huge sums of money benefit the shareholders?

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    7. Re:What's Yahoo?! by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

      It doesn't. But those are the terms CEO's usually bargain for when they get hired.

    8. Re:What's Yahoo?! by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. If you account for SG&A, R&D expenses and Amortization, they made a neat $134.93M in Operating Loss. And during the first quarter of this year alone, they have managed to make an Operating Loss of $167.21M. Isn't that a failing business?

      https://www.google.com/finance...

      If you look at their balance sheet, their Total Equity is about $28.48B. The value of their investment in Alibaba is worth about $32B. Now, isn't that a failing business?

  3. That's a lot of money by inode_buddha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's a lot of money, full stop. Nothing else needed to be said after that. Where can I get a job like that? I mean since the price of labor is going down and all... This is PROOF that ability and hard work has exactly jack shit to do with compensation or the Majick Fairytale Free Market.

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    1. Re:That's a lot of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is very much a free market, but not a rational one. The people hiring at this level are looking for someone like them, or better, so they 1) Overestimate their value (as everyone does); 2) Think some extraordinary premium has to be paid to get someone even better than they are; 3) Bid against their egos and competitors to get a rock-star (so that they don't look bad by hiring a dud); 4) Pay for it with other people's money.

      In hindsight almost anyone could have achieved similar results (-33%). But this was seen as a necessary game-changer, so it would not make sense to hire "almost anyone" since you only get one shot and you have to maximize your chances.

    2. Re:That's a lot of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You get a job like that by being a moderately attractive female that will fuck Larry Page. She wasn't exactly well liked or competent at Google either and it was well known that she was moving up the corporate ladder specifically because of her relationship with Larry.

    3. Re:That's a lot of money by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      This is PROOF that ability and hard work has exactly jack shit to do with compensation or the Majick Fairytale Free Market.

      - it is not a proof for all cases, there are cases where people fuck up and get very well compensated for it and there are people who do well for themselves and their companies.

      Of-course when you are saying 'free market' you really mean the USA version of what you believe is a 'free market', while the reality is that USA is not a free market at all. Where exactly do you see a free market in the USA?

      Government manipulates money, interest rates, taxes income and wealth, redistributes, runs huge deficits and debts, borrows and prints for various military excursions that enrich a number of very well connected companies and individuals, bails out entire markets time after time after time. Where do you see a free market exactly?

    4. Re:That's a lot of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where exactly do you see a free market in the USA?

      Government manipulates money, interest rates, taxes income and wealth, redistributes, runs huge deficits and debts, borrows and prints for various military excursions that enrich a number of very well connected companies and individuals, bails out entire markets time after time after time. Where do you see a free market exactly?

      Non-sequitur. Systemic problems are certainly not a fault of "the free market" in the USA precisely because of government involvement, but specific instances of market failure can be attributed heavily, if not entirely, to "the free market". Fundamentally the issue is precisely that people speak of "the free market" as if it were a 100% effective, efficient solution to problems that full-stop remove any need for further consideration. That's just as absurd as arguing for flu vaccinations and then after examples of people still getting the flu arguing that it's government regulation and user incompetence that's at fault.

      Or are you under the absurd notion that people who condemn "the Majick Fairytale Free Market" are against "the free market" at all? Because the general problem is precisely people, like you, who argue about "government manipulat[ions]" instead of taking a hard look at the free market and arguing something more sensible like, "yea, the free market doesn't guarantee 100% efficient operation, especially within business; it's more about inter-business operations, so your argument is invalid".

      But, no, that'd require thinking. Why do that when you can just whip out some boilerplate bullshit?

    5. Re:That's a lot of money by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      If you have to ask where to get that kind of job, you're certainly not in the market for such a job.

      But you're right, "hard work" as most people understand it, isn't what gets you a big CEO job. It's results. Can you run a company? Can you run a large team of any kind?

      Yes, one could argue that Merissa Mayer hasn't gotten results for Yahoo. But that would be overlooking the fact that she started with a dying company. No, it's not robust, but it does look like she'll be able to get someone to pay millions for the company, problems and all. Can you do that?

    6. Re:That's a lot of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you mean to say just her, then 1 out of about 3 billion is pretty damn bad odds of a woman succeeding, regardless of how much any 1 makes.

    7. Re:That's a lot of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      people speak of "the free market" as if it were a 100% effective, efficient solution to problems that full-stop remove any need for further consideration

      That's a helluva strawman you got there. Can I borrow it sometime?

    8. Re:That's a lot of money by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Hard work plus being born on at least 2nd base.
      Most likely attended private schooling with other ceos (I was reading a retrospective on a CEO who died a few years ago and it had 3 other CEO's who went to the same junior high school (middle school for most of you whipper snappers under 35) with him.

      We don't have that many CEO's in the country. Yet multiple CEO's went to the same prestigious middle school

      Likewise, the boards are stocked with people from old money and some celebrities (who might be new money but may have inherited their celebrity status from their parents).

      CEO compensation is excessive. It doesn't need to be as high as it is to get the same results. But basically the wealthy decide what the wealthy will be paid in one of the last 'old boy's' clubs left in the U.S.

      The shareholders be damned. The employees be damned.

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    9. Re: That's a lot of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want Marissa Mayer's job, get an MS CS from Stanford, get hired by Google, work your way up to VP of Search at Google. You can probably become a CEO of a startup then, but you may also want an MBA from a top school as well to cinch the deal.

    10. Re: That's a lot of money by g01d4 · · Score: 1

      Work your way up to VP of Search at Google

      Yeah, no. That's kind of the next step before Profit! I've never been fully clear what unique contributions these types make on their "way up" that in any way justifies their compensation. Especially the higher you go; was there really no other person who couldn't have accomplished the same thing for less - a lot less?

    11. Re:That's a lot of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hard to call it a strawman when it's precisely what the GP was arguing based on. "It's not REALLY a free market" because, what, if it were there wouldn't be these problems? It's a no-true-scotsman fallacy that fails precisely because for all useful senses the USA tries very much to be a free market in a lot of ways and unless you can invoke specific reasons where government intervention is the cause and it's not merely the free market at work, you're arguing a pure non-sequitur (which is why I started the post as such).

      Seriously, the first part of the post was spot on: "it is not a proof for all cases, there are cases where people fuck up and get very well compensated for it and there are people who do well for themselves and their companies." That's life. Life is unfair. But, no, got to throw in "not really a free market" bullshit.

      Bullshit - an argument you make, regardless of its truthfulness or falseness and regardless of the actual discussion because you feel the need to espouse your agenda; see religion, politics, and economic policy

    12. Re:That's a lot of money by schnell · · Score: 1

      Yes, one could argue that Merissa Mayer hasn't gotten results for Yahoo. But that would be overlooking the fact that she started with a dying company. No, it's not robust, but it does look like she'll be able to get someone to pay millions for the company, problems and all. Can you do that?

      Precisely this. It mystifies me why people still don't understand how what you get paid is determined in a market environment. (This is not applicable in a unionized or government environment where all employees are assumed to be fungible in terms of skills and compensation is based on "how long have you been here?")

      How much you get paid is not based on how hard your job is, or how good you are at it, but how scarce your skill set is, and how important that skill set is. To wit:

      • Starting NFL left tackles don't get $8M/year because they work 160 times harder than the team janitor, they get it because there is only a limited number of humans who are 6'4"/300+ lbs with the agility and stamina to get beat up by and still excel against another set of the world's best 6'4"/300+ lbs athletes on the other side of the ball. Left tackles are rare and in demand because the success or failure of these particular athletes can determine whether your football team wins a championship and adds tens of millions of dollars to your revenue or sucks and empties the stands of ticket holders. (Oh, and they protect your $15M/year quarterback from getting beaten to a pulp.)
      • Conversely, there are also a limited number of people qualified to teach Masters-level courses in Socialist Realism art and Stalinist Gothic architecture. These people are also rare, but might get paid as much as the janitor if they are lucky. That's because they are scarce, but no university is going to lose attendance because of the lack of a masters-level 20th Century Soviet Art class. Or if it does, then its percentage of employed graduates will only go up.
      • So we come to CEOs. CEOs are (usually) genuinely the most pivotal employees in a company, since a great CEO at a Fortune 500 company is almost literally worth their weight in gold, and a terrible CEO is absolutely worth their equal value in horse manure. While the CEO's job sounds simple to everyone who hasn't been in senior management at a big company before, it really isn't. There is a very specific skill set involved, and if that doesn't seem like a big deal to you, imagine that you need to do an interview on CNBC tomorrow and depending on how you do, literally tens or hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of your shareholders' wealth may increase or disappear. If you haven't faced that kind of pressure before, then don't assume you actually know what their job is like.

      Okay, so at long last coming around to Marissa Mayer. Has she turned Yahoo! around, as was her mandate? Nope. Was her job arguably impossible from the start because Yahoo! was already irretrievably a has-been? Probably. So why did they give her a $55M golden parachute when they hired her? Simple. Because she almost certainly would have made at least $55M in stock by this point if she had stayed at Google. So she took a big risk by going to Yahoo! - at which, yeah, she probably failed - but she would have been crazy to try if they hadn't guaranteed her this kind of Plan B. It all comes back to my original point about how rare your skill set is, and how important it is. In this environment, you have to throw these kinds of compensation packages out at candidates just to get someone with decent qualifications to give up their sure thing and try to pull your broken down company out of the ditch.

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    13. Re:That's a lot of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they would have to be a good actor who can deliver a believable performance of a carefully pre-written corporate script to CNBC viewers.

      Got it.

    14. Re: That's a lot of money by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

      If that CEO's chair at Yahoo would have been empty, Yahoo would have been doing far better today. It wouldn't have burnt billions acquiring companies that failed. Yahoo would have had the same amount of business and the same general direction.

  4. Yahoo? Why.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody has been able to do anything with yahoo. It is the company about nothing. It just kind of shuffles along not really living and not yet dead. It does provide a nice example of the worst possible way to define a front page to a website. I try to stop by about once a month just to see how much worse my own sites could be so I do not feel so bad.

    1. Re:Yahoo? Why.... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > It does provide a nice example of the worst possible way to define a front page to a website.

      Agreed. Guess it is the classic case of over-engineered. Jack of all trades, master of none.

      /Oblg. Google vs Yahoo homepage history

    2. Re:Yahoo? Why.... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      It is the company about nothing.

      Wasn't there a TV series like that? Turned into a huge success?

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  5. The actual numbers don't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    She will still leave and have enough money to sit around and do nothing for the rest of her life. I'm not bitter about these CEOs, but this is a pattern that needs to be broken. If you underperform, you're gone--just like an underling would be gone. Walked to the door by security with your box of personal things.

    1. Re:The actual numbers don't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you calculate under perform?Yahoo was lost before she started. Maybe she helped prop it up longer than most others would have.

    2. Re:The actual numbers don't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you calculate under perform?Yahoo was lost before she started. Maybe she helped prop it up longer than most others would have.

      What a stupid question.
      You take the state of the company the moment she was employed as CEO as baseline for the evaluation.

    3. Re:The actual numbers don't matter by PPH · · Score: 1

      sit around and do nothing for the rest of her life.

      But that's not likely. Many of these people have friends on other corporate boards who will find a place for them. The whole Yahoo failure will have a positive spin put on it and Mayer will find herself running another company.

      If the demise of Yahoo was inevitable, she might do OK with a viable company. The only issue will be why this wasn't recognized in advance and the company dismantled while its parts were worth something. On the other hand, after the last economic downturn, that might have been a fire sale and the smartest move was to keep it limping along until the market got better.

      The down side for Mayer will be: If her skill set is winding down sick companies, people will bail when they see her coming to their business.

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    4. Re:The actual numbers don't matter by hambone142 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Naw. Failed female CEOs run for Governor or Vice President.

    5. Re:The actual numbers don't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False, you look at a graph at how the company was performing prior to her, bookmark the point where she came on, and follow the trend again. Compare the two.

    6. Re:The actual numbers don't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And within a decade she can run for office citing her experience in industry as a plus.

    7. Re:The actual numbers don't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She will still leave and have enough money to sit around and do nothing for the rest of her life.

      You say that like it's a bad thing. Consider it an investment.

    8. Re:The actual numbers don't matter by radarskiy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Used to be only failed male CEOs could run for governor or president.

    9. Re:The actual numbers don't matter by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Being able to live on the golden parachute for the rest of your life is a big part of the justification. The theory goes that you want CEOs who are willing to take risks, because companies that always try to play it safe tend to fail. If you're a CEO who takes a risk that doesn't work out, then you're going to find it hard to get another job, because people will point at your previous experience (this is where it starts to fall down - in all likelihood, a CEO who ran one company into the ground will immediately get a job doing the same to the next one).

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  6. But.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does she have to train her replacement?

    1. Re:But.. by tylersoze · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That shouldn't be too hard. It's not like CEO's really do anything.

    2. Re:But.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, all she has to do is remember to prepare three envelopes.

  7. Another Carly Fiorina in the making... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    If she does get fired in the next year, she can always run against Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein in the 2018 election. Maybe she will be less annoying and more successful than the last CEO who ran in California.

    1. Re:Another Carly Fiorina in the making... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want a "+1 Depressing" moderation for this...

    2. Re:Another Carly Fiorina in the making... by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Didn't she run against Jerry Brown for Governor at the same time Carly ran against Boxer?

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    3. Re:Another Carly Fiorina in the making... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Didn't she run against Jerry Brown for Governor at the same time Carly ran against Boxer?

      You're thinking of Meg Whitman, formerly of eBay and currently at HP.

    4. Re:Another Carly Fiorina in the making... by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Shit. That was Meg Whitman. Never mind.

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      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
  8. $55 million severance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's that in MALE failed CEO dollars? 71 mil?

    1. Re:$55 million severance by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      What's that in MALE failed CEO dollars? 71 mil?

      Not quite. Since according to that bastion of conservative propaganda USA Today, female CEO average pay in fiscal year 2015 was about 50% higher than male average CEO pay (18.8 vs 12.7 million), it looks like that would be something like 47.3 million male failed CEO dollars.

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  9. Re:Yahoo has been dead for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't be so cavalier. Yahoo do add value in a lot of ways. The paradigm shift to apps and mobile in no way diminishes the fact that there are a lot of very cool things at Yahoo. Popular? Maybe not so much. Useful? You betcha.

    I well remember Google trying their hand at a "portal" with iGoogle. Flopped. Why? They could not compete with Yahoo. Yahoo still holds the attention of a significant number of the Web's first users, myself included. I'm in IT, but aside from good nostalgia, Yahoo is still a cool place to peruse and use. The new hotness is not always the best way.

  10. Should probably have gotten negative compentastion by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That would be adequate for all the damage she did. But CEOs these days cannot fail anymore, no matter how stupid and destructive. They just get a few ten millions less in compensation, but still get indecently rich.

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  11. Don't understand how they are still around by rfengr · · Score: 1

    The only yahoo function I have used is the Groups, and it was horrible to begin with, and they kept making it worse.

    1. Re:Don't understand how they are still around by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

      yahoo.com makes a good trash email address to dump spam when a website requires an email address.

    2. Re:Don't understand how they are still around by Agripa · · Score: 2

      The exodus has started from Yahoo Groups. They have not made their horrible interface worse in the past couple of weeks however there is every expectation that they will be discontinued or destroyed shortly.

      I wonder what will happen to the email services they provide to ISPs like AT&T which already work poorly or not at all.

  12. This is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is one of those things that in one hundred years time people will look at with a similar kind of horror that most of us feel about the matter-of-fact slavery state of affairs in 19th century America. The system is ridiculous - those who decide the CEO's compensation package are, by and large, the members of the board. And who are the members of the board? By and large, CEOs of other companies. Shareholders have something to say, of course, but unless you own a sizeable chunk of a company, you might just as well ignore the whole thing. At any rate, if your chunk is big enough, you will have a seat on the board.

    Behold the robber barons of the 21st century.

  13. Dear Yahoo board. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please consider me for the head of Yahoo, I can run the company into the ground twice as fast as your current head but I'll do it for half the pay.

    1. Re:Dear Yahoo board. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you on the board of directors at any other big corporations, or high profile non-profs, or arts organizations like Mayers is (WalMart, New York City Ballet, etc.) You'll only get the big payout if you're deemed able to return the favor.

  14. Re:Should probably have gotten negative compentast by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But CEOs these days cannot fail anymore, no matter how stupid and destructive.

    I got laid off along with 2,000+ employees from a Fortune 500 company several years ago. As for the CEO, he got 60% raise for having a lousy fiscal year. Rumor had it that he needed a new yacht to keep up with his peers, which is why these golden parachutes keep going up in value over the years.

  15. Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ONLY 3 million in cash...

    *vomit*

  16. flickr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    flickr. It's all they have left that's worth anything.

    Not that they're giving it the attention it needs.

    1. Re:flickr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about tumblr? What's it worth?

  17. Some horrifying Key Statistics by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A TV pundit recently observed that each CEO of Yahoo has walked away with significant compensation after a short term, yet the stockholders have gotten nada in the form of dividends. And they may not get much when it's eventually sold off, or will get nothing if it goes bankrupt (which is less likely.)

    Ironically, I rely on Yahoo's "Finance" section for much of my own stock-picking: its "Key Statistics" page is by far my favorite one-page stock statistic summary. Here are some highlights (read: lowlights) for YHOO itself:

        Profit Margin (ttm): -87.74%
        Return on Assets (ttm): -0.16%
        Return on Equity (ttm): -12.82%
        Trailing Annual Dividend Yield3: N/A

    This paints a picture of a company that is losing money (negative profit margin), hasn't managed its assets well (negative return on assets and return on equity), and doesn't treat stockholders well (see ROA and ROE, together with no dividend.) Next, throw in a history of expensive golden parachutes to short-term CEOs and you've got a stock that no one (IMHO) should ever own.

    Sadly, those of us who have part of our money in S&P 500 funds have a few bucks that get to go along on this horrifying ride.

    1. Re:Some horrifying Key Statistics by kencurry · · Score: 2

      New and data aggregator: is (and was) the only thing Yahoo did well.

      I always liked their sports app and sports news. Seems like they never really figured out how to make money in the web 2.0 world like the other bigs managed to do. They sure spent money like crazy tho. Alibaba was a good investment for them, all the rest seemed to fizzle.

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    2. Re:Some horrifying Key Statistics by wwalker · · Score: 1

      I don't understand how the board, or whoever decides on these ridiculous amounts of money to compensate worthless CEOs for their incompetence, how are they all not sued into oblivion yet? Don't all public companies have fiduciary duty (whatever that means) to do everything in the best interest of the shareholders? How's $36 million to walk away from your job after a year is in the best interest of shareholders, when the company is firmly in the red? Or all *EO's and the board are somehow shielded, because it's an LLC/Inc.?

    3. Re:Some horrifying Key Statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They used to have a curated search engine. For the brief period when that was possible, they were just about the best way to find stuff on the web that there was. It's all been downhill since they outsourced search to Alta Vista.

    4. Re:Some horrifying Key Statistics by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't all public companies have fiduciary duty (whatever that means) to do everything in the best interest of the shareholders?

      Therein lies the rub: it's hard to prosecute on "whatever that means." So, all that we investors can do is vote with our dollars. However, looking at YHOO's major owners, the top ones seem to be S&P 500 funds, which presumably aren't any more activist than S&P itself. I guess that's anecdotal evidence that those of us who are (mostly) stock pickers have a good shot at doing better in that portion of our investments.

  18. worth at least $55 / year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For taking a old & tired (in internet years) company and
    helping drive it into the ground. And insignificance.
    And being a woman helps 'cause you can do no wrong.

    1. Re:worth at least $55 / year by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 0

      For taking a old & tired (in internet years) company and
      helping drive it into the ground. And insignificance.
      And being a woman helps 'cause you can do no wrong.

      With a track record like that, I predict she'll run for President one day.

  19. Who could do better? by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

    Hate on Marissa Mayer all you want, but Yahoo was a sinking ship long before she took the helm. Yahoo's search is surprisingly bad (please try it if you don't believe me) and Yahoo Games sold out long ago. They have talented scientists, but like Microsoft and HP, the management culture is very successful at muting talent.

    1. Re:Who could do better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/They have/They had/g ... if at all.

    2. Re:Who could do better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't give a f**l whether or not it was a sinking ship. Somebody who collects that ridiculously large compensation is expected - expected - to refloat a sinking ship, by whatever means within the law. Ms. Mayer has not succeeded. In fact, she has failed spectacularly. If you had failed at you job as she has at hers you would have been given a pink slip and little else long ago.

  20. Correlation != Causation by PPH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Has anyone done a careful study to determine if high CEO compensation results in better company performance? The issue of correlation will have to account for the desire of greedy candidates for a CEO job to get on board with a company that is or will generate a lot of cash and profit so as to make a multi-million dollar pay package look justified.

    Anecdote: Many years ago*, I read a story about a small California oil company that had been driven into bankruptcy. The CEO had walked (or been canned) and a bankruptcy court judge assigned. As is customary, the judge appointed an interim manager to oversee the company through what was probably going to be a dissolution. But the company was such a basket case (and the potential pay so low), the only person he could find was a friend of his who was a janitor. The janitor proceeded to go through company records, find underperforming assets to sell, reorganize the core organization and bring the company out of the bankruptcy process as a profitable business. All for what was no more than a few times his janitor's salary.

    *This predates the birth of the Internet by some years, so I'm having trouble searching for a story on-line. IIRC, it was written up in the WSJ.

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    1. Re:Correlation != Causation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meyer's reputation it tainted by this, and reputation is what she seems to have built her career on.

      No it isn't. She now has CEO on her resume now.

      She'll strut in with her bond hair and blue eyes and get another CEO position.

    2. Re:Correlation != Causation by bosef1 · · Score: 1

      She'll strut in with her bond hair

      Like Sean Connery hair or Pierce Brosnan hair?

    3. Re:Correlation != Causation by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Has anyone done a careful study to determine if high CEO compensation results in better company performance?

      Someone did a study a year or two back and there was a correlation. High CEO pay correlated with low performance.

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    4. Re:Correlation != Causation by Lucidus · · Score: 2

      There was a study, published in 2014 by the University of Utah, which found a negative correlation. Companies with highly paid execs did significantly worse than companies run by mere mortals. You should Google it; the details are interesting.

  21. Trump Mayer? by DrTime · · Score: 1

    We have as female CEO of a California tech company. Fired on performance. Sounds like possible VP pick.

  22. She's a.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See. You. Next. Tuesday.

  23. She "deserves" it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Government manipulates money, interest rates, taxes income and wealth, redistributes, runs huge deficits and debts, borrows and prints for various military excursions that enrich a number of very well connected companies and individuals, bails out entire markets time after time after time.

    What has that to do with Mayer?

    Here's how she got hired: Stanford degree (A must in Silly Valley these days), Google on her resume and this.

    Please read up on the role of the "Halo Effect"

    It with with men too. Taller is always better.

  24. Someone else also signed the contract by Nkwe · · Score: 1

    Don't forget that someone representing the company (presumably the board of directors) hired her and entered into a contract that explicitly spelled out the severance in the event of early termination. The company agreed to this in advance. Go ahead and complain about the actions she took or didn't take. Go ahead and complain that she didn't save the company (if even that were possible). If you are going to complain about the severance, don't complain about the CEO, complain about the company that entered into a contract providing a huge severance package without the requirements of performance.

    1. Re:Someone else also signed the contract by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that someone representing the company (presumably the board of directors) hired her and entered into a contract that explicitly spelled out the severance in the event of early termination. The company agreed to this in advance.

      Why is it being reported just now and not when she was hired? No, I think that this is a new benefit that has just been put in place, after she has failed to do anything to turn around Yahoo's business.

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      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
  25. Counting other people's money... by mi · · Score: 0, Troll

    Leave it to New York Times to count other people's money...

    If yours does not require much counting, at least, rejoice about ours — I recon, she'd pay at least $20 mln of that in taxes...

    Oh, and the one important bit from TFA, that the write-up skipped:

    Most of the $55 million severance package is made up of restricted stock units and options. Only $3 million is actual cash.

    So, maybe, the taxes will be less. But it may not be $55 mln either, if the stocks/options flop by the time restrictions expire...

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    1. Re:Counting other people's money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no need for the deflection. Deductions aside, the marginal tax rate for 2015-2016 income about 410K is 39.6%; this means the most she will pay if she immediately liquidated everything and everything was taxed at that rate is $21,780,000. She will pay less since the income falling in the other brackets is taxed at a lower rate. She will pay less because there are inevitable deductions she will take for property (mortgage), etc. She will pay less because she will not immediately liquidated everything, largely because the stock restrictions prevent it. She will pay less because she will reinvest a large portion into other perhaps personal enterprises and gain deductions from them. She isn't a victim by any stretch, and is as capable of financial maneuvering as the experts she consults enable her to be. Her wealth in fact enables better access to such financial consultants so she will likely pay MUCH less in taxes.

  26. Demote her to janitor by BenJeremy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Make her earn her pay cleaning toilets. Eliminate her personal daycare and require her to report 7am every day.

    She'll quit the next day.

    Q.E.D.

  27. Correlation of failure and females w/raspy voices by JoeyRox · · Score: 1
  28. Huh? by s.petry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I took GPs comment about a magic free market as I will explain.

    There is not a "free market" by any stretch of the imagination. We have Fascism, not "Free Market". Businesses spend billions of dollars putting in politicians that pass laws benefiting them. "Regulator" positions and top level executives are a revolving door, ensuring that businesses control regulation in addition to politics. Corruption is rampant, and average people are shat upon.

    Mayer's Golden Parachute for running a company downhill, and Yahoo's requirement to pay her more money than most families can make in a lifetime just to go away, is an example of corruption and a system which is morally bankrupt.

    Before you say it, Socialism is inherently fascist and won't fix the problems. Capitalism can correct fascism, after numerous heads get lopped off.

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    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      First, saying things like

      We have Fascism

      and

      Socialism is inherently fascist

      is a quick and easy way of letting people know that your understanding of the subject is either nonexistent or extremely idiosyncratic, so thank you for the warning.

      Second, there is no maximum legal compensation, nor do minimum wage and hour type laws (or immigration laws) have any impact on executive compensation, so the market for executives is by any reasonable measure unfettered--which brings me back to my first point.

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmm, yes, because "understanding of the subject" means repeating cold war era Soviet propaganda about how fascism is totally the exact opposite of socialism.

    3. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fascists and Socialists were fighting in streets and trenches well before the Cold War. Further, they drew support from the political Right and Left, respectively. Though you may choose to believe otherwise, it is not because they were the same thing.

  29. Fuck the nsa collaborator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cunt was all like treason hurr durr

  30. Who wants to be King? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not Marissa's fault. She negotiated well for herself. What the board agrees to pay her is on them.

    As we finish the 4th season of Vikings, failed King Ragnar Lothbruek returns to his homeland and his sons after a long journey and asks his sons and his subjects to take his life to replace him.

    You've obviously made up your minds about me. I cannot blame you for that.
    I dare you. Put me out of my misery. Do it. Do it. Do it, do it. DOOOO IT!

    [etc.]

    Who wants to be King!?!

  31. Misleading article link Marissa Mayer in 90 second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is anyone else a little annoyed by the Marissa Mayer in 90 second linked video. They seem to give her way more credit for innovation at google like maps. That's something they bought and while she headed the map team for a while there is sparse evidence that she is responsible for that innovation or really any other innovation.

    Look she was lucky, she was employee number 20 at a very profitable company, who was a nice piece of ass, who banged one of the founders for a while. But after a while it was clear she wasn't that great a performer and her career stalled.

    But because she was pretty, came from google and vocal, she became a media darling and yahoo which is run by idiots desperate hired her for a ton of money.

    We are bored of hearing about her.

  32. Re:Should probably have gotten negative compentast by gweihir · · Score: 1

    That sucks. My condolences.

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  33. Glad I'm not a Yahoo shareholder... by jcr · · Score: 1

    If I were, I might be offended by this.

    -jcr

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  34. She's laughing all the way to the bank by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

    I don't think that Mayer has done a very good job with Yahoo, but that said, Yahoo was probably screwed long before she got there.

    What is admirable, is that she has managed to make (at least) 10's of millions a year, and have three kids at Yahoo, with their nanny and daycare room right next to her office, while looking good doing it.

    Make fun of her all you want, but I bet she had a higher salary with better parental benefits and a severance packages than any of us have gotten.

  35. Alternative Theory: Only way to get CEO applicant by radarskiy · · Score: 1

    Anyone looking at the Yahoo CEO position knows that sooner or later the major shareholders are going to demand something irrational or impossible. The only way they'd take to job if the were guaranteed to get paid for honestly trying to run the company up to the point that they were asked to produce a unicorn.

  36. Better mail than gmail and excellent newreader by cshay · · Score: 1

    I like yahoo mail tons better than Gmail. (I hqave a hard time making sense of google's threaded emails).

    I also have not found an RSS newsreader I like better than my.yahoo. I've been using it since 1997.

  37. To Be Fair by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    To be entirely fair to her, I don't think I'd be able to run a company nearly as badly as she has. I mean, sure, I'd be an incompetent CEO of anything, but I'm sure I'd accidentally make some good decisions along the way. Yahoo is frequently valued below the actual amount of cash that they have on hand. To get a company to that point requires a lifetime of experience with bad decision making and leadership. That commands a high premium!

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  38. Stop the planet, I want to get off by theGhostPony · · Score: 1

    "Also, Yahoo revealed Mayer received a significant pay cut last year. Her "reported pay" was $36 million, but her "realized pay" is closer to $14 million."

    Look at me, I suck at my job. Pay me a shitload of money, because.

    Disgusting bullshit.

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  39. Stock value has jumped since July 2012. by kamapuaa · · Score: 2

    For all the people talking about how she's tanked the stock...She came in while the stock was at 15 and a half, and today the stock is at 36 and a half. OK, big surprise, she wasn't able to turn the company into the next Google. But the market cap has climbed from $14 Billion to $34 Billion under watch. I don't think you can call her an abject failure. An abject failure would be losing her shareholders value. Like maybe she sold Yahoo's investments that are the core of its modern business, in order to fund one of her relatively minor pet projects that didn't work out.

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    1. Re:Stock value has jumped since July 2012. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, we can call her an abject failure. Yahoo!'s "value" is in their Alibaba holdings. If Mayer did absolutely nothing at all but sit on that ownership, Yahoo!'s market cap would be about the same. Had they hired a potato as CEO, they would have done at least as well.

  40. A CEO vs... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

    She was hired to be the CEO. And CEOs severance packages, in big companies, are usually within that range. This is the job to have in the industry, where incompetence is not seen as a failure, but rather a "failed try". Not so many jobs carry that amount of "tolerance", but yet there are some: football/base ball/tennis/.... player who doesn't perform as expected (and yet is (pre) paid a lot), an expensive actor/actress who plays badly, ...

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  41. mmhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It strikes me that this would not be news if the subject weren't a woman. This is pretty standard corporate practice. Just looking at yet another way to dump on the highest profile woman business leader?

  42. Gee! I wish someone would pay me $55M to go way. by Stubbyfingers · · Score: 1

    Mostly, they just call the cops.

  43. Factor out the Alibaba stake by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Factor out the value of the Alibaba stake, which she had nothing to do with, and you get a much clearer picture of Marissa's Mayer's management talent. Honestly, her talents lend themselves better to some other room than the boardroom.

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  44. $55M Severance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feel the Bern.

  45. $55M Severance by pfg23 · · Score: 1

    Feel the Bern.