3 Years Ago, Microsoft Said Tech Should Fund K-12 CS Education. What Changed? (motherjones.com)

theodp writes: Last week, Microsoft and some of the biggest names in tech and corporate America threw their weight behind a Change.org petition that urged Congress to fund K-12 Computer Science education. The petition, started by the tech-backed CS Education Coalition (btw, 901 K Street NW is Microsoft's DC HQ) in partnership with tech-backed Code.org, now has 90,000+ supporters. But three years ago, Microsoft backed a very different Change.org petition that called for corporate America to foot the STEM education bill.

"While the need to expand high-skilled immigration is immediate," read the letter to Congress, "we also need to expand STEM opportunities in U.S. education. A positive proposal has emerged in Washington to create a national STEM education fund, paid for only by businesses using green cards and visas. This fund will help prepare Americans for 21st-century STEM jobs. The proposal is supported by a broad coalition [PDF] that includes Microsoft, GE, the National Council of La Raza, the National Association of Manufactures, and the National Science Teachers Association, to name a few."

The earlier petition, which wound up with 41,009 supporters, was started by Voices for Innovation, a self-described "Microsoft supported community" that says it's now "proud to support the Computer Science Education Coalition" as part of its efforts to "shape public policies for our 21st century digital economy and society." So, what changed? Well, Mother Jones did warn that what Microsoft promises and what it delivers for education isn't necessarily the same...

Comments

So tired of this

[AntronArgaiv]

First, spend money on paying teachers, repairing buildings, buying computers and internet access for students who can't afford it (like many in the inner city schools), since all the books, etc are now e-books (not necessarily a bad thing). Hell, many of the kids in the poorer schools need breakfast and lunch.
Tech and programming education is a distant second to competency in English, Math and History. Our schools (especially the ones in poor areas) are crying out for money, just to competently teach the basics, never mind tech education.

Oh, and special ed, ELL for new immigrants, alternative tracks for low level learners, all those should also be getting funding before we start trying to teach everyone to be a programmer.

Remember folks, everyone working for Google, Facebook, Microsoft and Apple learned to code WITHOUT a nationwide secondary school program.

Priorities, people.

Re:So tired of this

[110010001000]

Enough with this myth that we aren't spending enough. NYC spends 20k a year per student, 19k in Boston, 17k in Baltimore, etc. Those are all what you would call "inner city" schools. We are spending enough on schooling. We aren't seeing the results.

Re:So tired of this

[nbauman]

Without involved parents there is only so much even a great teacher can do with limited time to individually attend to a kid.

Diane Ravitch, who was assistant secretary of education under both GHW Bush and Bill Clinton, reviewed all the data (and had a PhD to understand it). https://dianeravitch.net/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

She found that the one factor that was most strongly associated with educational achievement was the parent's income. That's the best scientific evidence.

If you want parents to be involved, you have to eliminate poverty and raise their income. It's not sufficient, but it's necessary. A mother can't read to her children or take them to a museum if she's working 60 hours a week at a fast-food restaurant.

If you want parents to do a better job, give them the resources that they need to do the job.

Ask:"What is their motivation?"

[rmdingler]

Microsoft, and, to be fair, the other tech giants, would like highly trained and competent employees at a cheaper price.

The ideal market would be multiple qualified candidates for every job opening.

Whether that occurs due to the proposed domestic educational steering program or due to H1B-type legislation doesn't much matter to them. If the government is also willing to pick up the tab, well, that's just gravy.

Re:CS

[jellomizer]

Where would you steer them? I can't really think of a sector of the economy that can be adversely affected from the following factors...
Outsourcing, Automation, Obsolescence, Overly high regulation, Political interests to discredit you, Already saturated so the pay stinks, and/or extremely dangerous.

Computer Science and working in IT is just as risky as working in any other sector. Just as long as you work around the Outsourcing problem, you can become the factor causing the Automation, and Obsolescence.

However more to the point. Having Computer Science Education doesn't mean that kids need to go into a Computer Science field, but enter their field with a degree of understanding and respect towards the discipline. Realizing what is hard to do and what is easy is a good skill to have. In my professional life, I had numerous encounters with customers and managers who either say. Such process is impossible for a computer to do, while it has a lot of steps each step is logical (or sometimes just can be skipped) allowing for a quicky program that solved hours of laborious man hours. Then you get the seemingly simple request which is very easy to explain, and train a person to do. While for a computer it is a difficult tasks and the chances of failure are higher than the acceptable limit.

Computer Science is a discipline which is a subset of Math which focuses on the study of computation, and process workflow. You see many of these concepts being taught in other disciplines under different names, such as a MBA class in Business Operations which focuses heavily on performance algorithms, where instead of writing a program we look at a business process and find how to improve it.

One of these things is not like the other

[vongillern]

>> Microsoft, GE, the National Council of La Raza, the National Association of Manufactures, and the National Science Teachers Association

I see 2 corporations, 2 associations and one racist council (La Raza stands for "The Race"), members of which frequently advocate for re-conquering "Aztlan" (the american southwest, California to Colorado) and ceding control back to mexico. "The Race" has a large overlap with Mecha, a group that has the motto "For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada", translated meaning "For The Race, Everything. Outside The Race, Nothing".

http://humanevents.com/2006/04...

Re:CS

[Malaraukar]

I'm an educator. I teach Physics, CS, and Engineering. My advice is maybe. If your goal is to get your child to become a computer scientist, then no. If your goal is to expose your student to different ways of thinking, then absolutely. It's high school! No one should be making career choices at that age. High school, and parts of college, are all about developing agile minds that can incorporate many different ways of approaching tasks and problems. Most of my students are not going to be astrophysicists. However, all of them leave my class understanding how to use the scientific method in their lives. That's more important, imo.

Re:CS

[Bengie]

80% of people who apply for programming courses at Universities fail in the first two semesters. Of the remaining 20%, over half of them can't create a proper mental model of what is going on and only get by with luck and determinism. Only 10% of people who even apply are useful, and those skills are power-curve distributed.

Re:CS

[__aaclcg7560]

Computer Science and working in IT is just as risky as working in any other sector.

I heard this after the dot com bust. People thought it was crazy for me to go back to community college to learn computer programming. But, hey, thanks to George W. following 9/11, I got a $3,000 tax credit to learn new job skills and going back to school was free. I went from working as a video game tester to working as help desk/desktop support technician. Today I'm doing computer security, making more money and paying more taxes. The future looks very bright in the next 20 years as the baby boomers retire and foreign workers will stay home to develop their own country.