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Kim Jong-Un Bans All Weddings, Funerals And Freedom Of Movement In North Korea (independent.co.uk)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Independent: Weddings and funerals have been banned and Pyongyang is in lockdown as preparations for a once-in-a-generation party congress get underway in North Korea. The ruling Worker's Party of Korea, headed by the country's leader, Kim Jong-un, is due to stage the first gathering of its kind for 36 years on Friday. Free movement in and out of the capital has also been forbidden and there has been an increase in inspections and property searches, according to Daily NK, which claims to have sources in the country. The temporary measures are said to be an attempt to minimize the risk of "mishaps" at the event, according to Cheong Joon-hee, a spokesman at South Korea's Unification Ministry. Meanwhile, North Korea has been conducting missile tests left and right, many of which have failed miserably.
Let's nuke them while their entire leadership is all in one place.
I guess you shouldn't mind being searched. You know, for Security!
Not news for nerds, stuff that really doesn't matter outside North Korea. By the way, this is only for a week, during the North Korean Party Congress. Move along, nothing to see other than a bunch of North Korean nut bars.
Actually, here's an interesting story: The North Koreans have restaurants and other businesses in China and other "friendly" countries, primarily to generate cash for Un's emmenthaler cheese addiction (look it up), and increasingly, the staff of these businesses are defecting.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
I was not aware you could keep people from dying by outlawing funerals.
Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
North Korea is leftist in much the same way that the Andromeda Galaxy is gluten free.
I keep thinking how the US will drone strike wedding receptions on flimsy evidence, even assassinating our own citizens and their children for even *meeting* with an alleged terrorist
Take one of the Chinese ambassadors aside, have a quiet word, get a secret "OK" from the leadership, and *BANG!*. No more fear, uncertainty, and doubt in South Korea or Japan.
We could even disavow all knowledge. Classify the relevant documents for 50 years, like we did with Nixon extending the Vietnam war for political gain (by taking actions which were probably treasonous).
*Sigh*.
But we're a step closer to having Bison be our national mammal, and Harriet Tubman will be on the $20.
USA, the leader of the free world.
"Awww, baby, you know I'd love to marry you, but Dear Leader says we can't."
Best. Excuse. EVER.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
We're facing a dangerous regime which is under the control of a guy who still uses a trackball mouse. How is that not news for nerds?
When North Korea cracks down on freedom, Slashdot rushes to their defense to try to debunk the story.
That's because every story out of North Korea sounds like it was made up by someone on LSD.
I'm not 100% sure your example is right: There may be a habitable planet with something resembling wheat somewhere in the andromeda galaxy - so there may be at least some risk for a fellow traveler with coeliac disease.
At least a higher risk than finding left wing extremism like universal health care or clean drinking water in North Korea.
> ...and a single drone strike in NK could solve much of the world's conflict.
That might actually and forever solve all of the worlds conflicts.
I wonder if starting a war between the US and China really is really such a promising perspective from your mothers basement, Mr. Warrior.
If you are old enough I suggest you enlist in the army and fight and fall for some made up convincing reason in some desert instead of starting a career in politics cause further world wars.
Woot! I got one!
When you go far enough to the left or right you end up meeting the other side coming your way.
We are replacing a big-government democrat (Jackson) with a freedom-loving gun-totting republican (Tubman). How is that bad?
And they are still testing missiles. Some NORK Air Force general is due to step into Kim Jong-Un's position when one of these goes seriously off course. Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink.
Have gnu, will travel.
You do know that it's the Democrats that want to take your stuff, dictate your pay, tell you what kind of car you're allowed to drive and when, while dictating what temperature you're allowed to set on your thermostat and what kinds of light bulbs you're allowed to buy, right? Difference is they do it For Your Own Good, of course.
A well-regulated incandescence, being necessary for the illumination of a free state, the right of the people to use shitty light bulbs shall not be infringed!
In the same vein, the Republicans want to take your stuff, remove worker's protections, tell you who you can have sex with and how, while dictating which deity you're allowed to pray to.
In short - both parties want to take your stuff and control how you live. We are mice voting between black and white cats.
What, the No True Scotsman fallacy again? Seriously, when is the Left going to start owning their ideology's problems, instead of every single time using No True Scotsman to dodge responsibility again and again?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
While we're making fun of all the psychotic shit in North Korea, half of us are carrying cellphones assembled by slaves in factories with suicide nets installed under the windows.
It makes me wonder who put together my Samsung!
Left and right are distractions. As Robert Heinlein once said, the only political division that matters is between those who crave power over others, and those who have no such desire. Hillary, Bernie, and Trump are all on the same team.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Several of them already posted. :(
I'm tired of the political B.S. in this country. It's getting so annoying I can't even laugh at the b.s. in NK now.
This is under special circumstances, so the trial will be skipped and they'll just be found guilty and shot. They will also be jailed for 20 months for failing to show proper respect for authority by just laying there and rotting instead of standing to attention and answering politely when asked if they are still alive.
I don't need to "dodge responsibility" for North Korea any more than you need to do the same for Saudi Arabia. But any dunce can see that South Korea is way more liberal than North Korea.
Even Timothy Leary thinks the news coming out of North Korea is too trippy to be real man.....
Information about NK may be true or false, who knows? How can we have reliable sources for such a closed country?
They're also more right-wing, in that they have a free economy while NK is Communist.
But that's kind of the problem, no? The Left "knows what's best for us" and wants to run our lives (again). Never mind the fact that most of the Left's attempts at "creating equality" end up with a bunch of poor people ruled by dictators...
Actually lactose is a molecule that's probably simple enough to be found in all galaxies. For example, North Korea is in the Miliky Way, and Un eats a lot of Swiss cheese.
(As for gluten... I don't think they have that in NK.)
Both parties want control. Of you and as much else as they can. They only give you the illusion of choice in the matters that draw in the right voters for their goals.
Silence is a state of mime.
It sets a bad precedent. And the risk of retaliation is great.
Um... retaliation from whom?
And wasn't the precedent set when we tracked down and killed Saddam Hussein? (And his "most wanted" cronies, conveniently passed out to our soldiers as a deck of playing cards?)
Or how about Manuel Noriega, who was the head of a foreign nation, and we sent in a seal team to capture him, kidnap him, and bring him to the US to stand trial?
Or how about (with help from the UK) overthrowing the democratically elected leader of Iran in order to install the Shah, who was a brutal dictator who tortured people for the next 38 years?
Or overthrowing the democratically-elected leader of Guatemala?
And that's only in the last 50-ish years, and ones that I can remember on the spot.
Bad precedent?
The US does whatever the hell it wants, and doesn't care overly much about world opinion.
I don't even understand how that is logically possible.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Like the war on drugs? The war on immorality?
Let he who is without blah blah blah.
It must be a cruel world out there for you...and I'm OK with that, though for the record, you can fuck who and what you like while being high as a kite, just don't talk don't confuse your hallucinations for divine revelations.
And there is a risk that everything you have heard about North Korea is wrong, that all information you have about it just is propaganda so that you won't see what real freedom is like.
If you go to North Korea as a tourist, how do you know that you aren't led into a fake city setup in South Korea to make North Korea look like a dictatorship?
The analogy still holds, Andromeda is gluten free enough.
What, the No True Scotsman fallacy again? Seriously, when is the Left going to start owning their ideology's problems, instead of every single time using No True Scotsman to dodge responsibility again and again?
It isn't a True Scotsman if you can single out which ones are true before one points out the flaws.
You can whine all you want about the horrors of socialism and parent can just point at the Nordic countries and claim "This is socialism done right, here is the True Scotsman"
What country are you going to point at to show capitalism done right? Do you know one that haven't turned into cronyism where the rich are above the law? One where the free market actually exists and haven't been put out of order by oligopolies?
Where is your True Scotsman?
Nope. You're thinking of authoritarian. Left wing, by actual definition, refers to political groups favouring liberal, progressive or radical views or political reform. North Korea doesn't allow for "wings" per se, but it is firmly opposed to all those principles.
Aren't the North Koreans merely doing explicitly what most countries partly-succeed in doing by social subterfuge?
You say it like Left is an ideology. It isn't. It's just designation of a split in particular parliament. Exact ideological leanings change with time and is different in different parliaments.
It's not really No True Scotsman. The Andromeda Galaxy *is* gluten free. That's not really the relevant part of North Korea though.
North Korea is:
- Totalitarian
- Isolationist
- Cult of personality for dear leader
- Essentially a monarchy
These are not left wing ideals. They aren't right wing ideals either. They show the limitations of the one-dimensional political axis.
These things come to mind much more readily than stuff like their taxation system (I looked it up; officially they have 0 taxes but obviously in practice that's BS, still, no income taxes).
No they aren't leftists, they aren't rightists, they are a single party.
Left-right originated in the French revolution and referred to where deputies preferred to sit in the assembly. Conservatives tended to group on the right side whereas revolutionaries grouped the left side, moderates were the center. Having a left-right distinction implies an assembly, or at least some diversity of opinion.
There is no such thing in North Korea.
Nope. You're thinking of authoritarian. Left wing, by actual definition, refers to political groups favouring liberal, progressive or radical views or political reform. North Korea doesn't allow for "wings" per se, but it is firmly opposed to all those principles.
On what fucking planet can you have leftist policies without imposing them via authoritarian means? Or do you really think it's NOT authoritarian in any way to FORCE a devout Christian baker to make a cake for a gay marriage? How is it NOT authoritarian to FORCE 9-year-old girls to share a bathroom with a 35-year-old self-styled "trans" MAN WITH A PENIS
Oh, no. That's not AUTHORITARIAN at all.
Oh, right. Your planet is in the Andromeda galaxy.
And there is a risk that everything you have heard about North Korea is wrong, that all information you have about it just is propaganda so that you won't see what real freedom is like. If you go to North Korea as a tourist, how do you know that you aren't led into a fake city setup in South Korea to make North Korea look like a dictatorship?
The analogy still holds, Andromeda is gluten free enough.
If North Korea was even remotely free there would be more than one way in on a tourist trip that still makes the place look like shit. There would probably be North Koreans all over the place going on about how good it is back home. Also they wouldn't have a dead man as eternal president for ever.
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I went to Andromeda and there was gluten fucking everywhere!
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North Korean ideology is not "the left"'s ideology. And I think you have your fallacies mixed up.
Ezekiel 23:20
Your obsession with "left" vs "right" and your inability to handle discontiguous concepts is preventing you from understanding things. I'd look into that.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
There's actually two axis when it comes to American politics; at the very least. There's the typical Left vs Right in social ideologies that everyone knows about, and then there's another that cuts through the other axis; authoritarian vs anarchist.
Life is not for the lazy.
North Korea is leftist in much the same way that the Andromeda Galaxy is gluten free.
North Korea is absolutely the end result of extreme leftism. I'm guessing you think Cuba is right-wing also?
Do you have ESP?
This is the kind of thing that's covered by the Huffington Poser, not Slashdot.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
What is leftist about a tyrannical despot who only spends money on the military? No seriously, please explain how NK is the left's fault.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Seriously, what planet are you from where you have ANY policies without imposing them via "authoritarian" means?. (I am guessing you are claiming that all laws are authoritarian)
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Kim Jong - "Un Bans All Weddings, Funerals And Freedom Of Movement In North Korea"? Well that was nice of him. And it's nice to know we are on a first name only basis too.
its not a NTS fallacy.
Kim isn't even on the left right spectrum.
in describing kim the left-right axis isn't even the right frame of reference.
that's the point that went sailing over your head.
there is a difference between being a dictator and being a leftist.
As a tight fisted dictator, Kim is best described by the anarchism-totalitarianism spectrum.
this has nothing to do with leftists.
I keep thinking how the US will drone strike wedding receptions on flimsy evidence, even assassinating our own citizens and their children for even *meeting* with an alleged terrorist
Take one of the Chinese ambassadors aside, have a quiet word, get a secret "OK" from the leadership, and *BANG!*. No more fear, uncertainty, and doubt in South Korea or Japan.
You are right, that this could be done. But the situation is a bit more complex.
1) China is sincere when they say they want a nuclear free Korean peninsula, but they view all NK regime changes as bad for them with no possible good outcomes. They fear that once the peninsula is unified under a South Korean government that the US won't leave Korea and will, in fact, station US troops on China's borders. China also benefits from the current situation by, among other things, getting cut rate prices on North Korean rare earths that they in turn resell.
2) It would probably take a nuclear strike to ensure that the leadership is killed en masse. The US is hesitant to use nukes and even then, there's no telling what the remaining NK military leadership would do. They might fight to the death.
3) Seoul is unfortunately too close to the border and any surviving NK military units will probably launch devastating missile stirkes at Seoul, possibly including biological weapons. I have my doubts that NK has a rocket with a nuke on it they could possibly launch without plenty of advance detection by the US, but if I'm wrong, that would be very bad. A best case scenario for Seoul would be tens of thousands dead without any bio weapons or nukes involved.
4) Nobody really wants to pay for reconstruction once the peninsula is unified. Cost estimates are staggeringly high. You think that George W's adventures in Iran and Afghanistan were expensive? Rebuilding NK might be multiple times more costly.
Basically this is why the US doesn't take advantage of the situation to kill the leadership in one strike.
You do know that it's the Democrats that want to take your stuff, dictate your pay, tell you what kind of car you're allowed to drive and when, while dictating what temperature you're allowed to set on your thermostat and what kinds of light bulbs you're allowed to buy, right? Difference is they do it For Your Own Good, of course.
Whereas the Republicans want to take the money from the non-rich, increase spending on anti-terrorism and military and the police state, while letting the corporations run your life, and creating a radical theocracy where any lifestyle choices not in agreement with fundamentalist christianity are illegal?
Not at all, NK is not even communist, it's called Juche - military leadership with focus on self-reliance and the individual. In other words, another way of justifying a military dictatorship.
I'm so tired of hearing such nonsense. Read some Rawls or at least some Wikipedia articles about political theories and traditions, instead of inventing your own Humpty-Dumpty language.
So I can only choose between being unfree "for my own good" and unfree "for profit"?
Well, then I choose those that at least PRETEND they give a fuck about me. Not to mention that if you're dealing with an oppressive regime, you sure want the one that is less efficient at it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You misunderstand that cracking down on freedoms in NK is FUNNY as fuck. Think of it as the difference between your dad sending you to bed early and your little cousin crying "respect mah otoriteeeee!"
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Stop making such ridiculous generalizations. I'm sure they sound all right and dandy to you, but to anyone with more than a passing grasp of critical thinking you are raising "I AM AN IDIOT" flags left, right and center.
He's not dead, he's immortal, that's part of the conspiracy. The powers that be in the rest of the world just want you to think that the Dear Leader being immortal is impossible, but in reality they invented immortality many years ago, just like they invented the Internet and computers.
(/s)
This. Authoritarian and Libertarian are on a whole different axis than Left Wing or Right Wing. You can be either R or L and be Authoritarian, or quite the opposite. You can plot anywhere on a 2 dimensional graph, it's not always along a one dimensional line.
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
Ok, lets get this cleared up. North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship, which means it has state funded education through college and universal healthcare. It also has complete military and economic control over its population. Some of these ideas are comparable to the American left and right, but the analogy, one way or the other, doesn't hold much weight. Though, North Korea does stand as a good example on how not to implement certain policies.
Brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.
cocaine.....
Seriously, what's to stop this fruitcake nation-state autocrat from becoming hopelessly addicted to substances which
1) make him feel poweful in the face of overwhleming odds, i.e. going up against the U.S.
2) seriously and permanently shift his reasoning and perception facilities deep into the megalomaniac-omnipotent spectrum ?
Answer- nothing and no one.
Hopefully the people around him have an Easy button under their desks they can push before he waddles them into nuclear oblivion.
I read this in a much too positive way... biggest one in 36 years?
Sounds like a blast, way better than those missile tests! (pun intended :)
NORTH KOREA IS STUPID
THEY ARE STU-PED
BEING IN NORTH KOREA IS LIKE BEING IN TIME-OUT FOR NAUGHTY BABIES THAT DO EVERYTHING WRONG ITS NOT FAIR ITS NOT FFFAAAAIIIIRRRRRRR
EVERYTHING THEY DO IS FUCKIN STUPID LOOK AT ALL THE FUCKIN SHIT THEY DO THAT FUCKIN SUCKS ASS-SHIT
WHY DO I HAVE TO FUCKIN HEAR ABOUT THIS FUCKIN SHIT AND HAVE TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE PLACES I CAN THEORETICALLY GO AND NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO EVERYTHING THAT >>>>I WANT TO DO???? SOMEONE SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT FUCKIN BULLSHIT WHY DIDN'T WE WIN THE KOREAN WAR WE SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER ONE YEAH WE SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT WOULD BE COOL HEHEHEHEHE YEAH
I think the definition of tourette's syndrome should be expanded to include the kind of compulsive self-centered illogical thinking that is pervasive in the western populations. Because if you render it a certain way, it's nothing but profanity. Profanity against the love of knowledge, of reason, of morality, of everything this society is supposedly built on since ancient times. Everything falls to the wayside in pursuit of deeper slavery.
"If you want to get married, do it now. Tomorrow all activity will cease..."
Not at all, NK is not even communist, it's called Juche - military leadership with focus on self-reliance and the individual. In other words, another way of justifying a military dictatorship.
Oh, give me a break. The state owns all means of production - it's communism. Like Cuba.
Do you have ESP?
North Korea is leftist in much the same way that the Andromeda Galaxy is gluten free.
...that explains the terrible bagels we got there...
I'm not good at making signatures...
There needs to be another fallacy added to the list of fallacies that everybody repeats like vomit. Like.. I don't know, the "Rebuttal using tired trope fallacy fallacy" . It makes no fucking sense, but we might have a chance of seeing some original thought on display. Or would people just end up re-gurgitating "ah, I see you used the rebuttal using tired trope fallacy fallacy fallacy to support your rebuttal" ad infinitum. Ah fuck you slashdot, see you never again you smug fucking fuckfaces.
You obviously have not looked into Bernie's history.
Yes I have, snowflake, but you apparently haven't. That geriatric commie rat bastard is on the record praising the likes of Castro and Chavez.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
> If you go to North Korea as a tourist, how do you know that you aren't led into a fake city setup in South Korea to make North Korea look like a dictatorship?
You mean the Real North Korea(tm) is actually in Bielefeld?
https://www.quora.com/Is-there...
So, since you seem to think NK is not Left, please point out where on the chart at the bottom of the first answer NK belongs instead.
Perhaps you are the one who doesn't understand that there is a left and right, and authoritarian and libertarian dimensions to the political spectrum. NK is Authoritarian Left.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
North Korea is:
- provides a level of living to all its citizens (socialism/communism)
- has socialized medicine
- is not capitalist.
North Korea is a Authoritarian Left state...just like China used to be, and Russia used to be. Just because you seem to think Authoritarian is the opposite of Left, doesn't make it true, as Authoritarian is the opposite of Libertarian. Right is opposite Left.
https://www.quora.com/Is-there...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Um, Libertarians are a branch of the Republican Party. The TEA party is a Libertarian movement.
https://www.quora.com/Is-there...
Look at the chart on the bottom of the first answer, Libertarians can be right or left, but are primarily right.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?