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Biotech Company To Attempt Revitalizing Nervous Systems of Brain-Dead Patients (telegraph.co.uk)

Sarah Knapton, writing for The Telegraph: A groundbreaking trial to see if it is possible to regenerate the brains of dead people, has won approval from health watchdogs. A biotech company called BioQuark in the U.S. has been granted ethical permission to recruit 20 patients who have been declared clinically dead from a traumatic brain injury, to test whether parts of their central nervous system can be brought back to life. Scientists will use a combination of therapies, which include injecting the brain with stem cells and a cocktail of peptides, as well as deploying lasers and nerve stimulation techniques which have been shown to bring patients out of comas. The trial participants will have been certified dead and only kept alive through life support. They will be monitored for several months using brain imaging equipment to look for signs of regeneration, particularly in the upper spinal cord -- the lowest region of the brain stem which controls independent breathing and heartbeat.

119 comments

  1. ..so, T.A.H.I.T.I. ? by kheldan · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hear it's a magical place.

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    1. Re:..so, T.A.H.I.T.I. ? by kheldan · · Score: 0

      Damnit.. it's T.A.H.I.T.I. Protocol, not just T.A.H.I.T.I.. Mod me down, to (-1, Screwed Up The Joke). :-(

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    2. Re:..so, T.A.H.I.T.I. ? by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      Because I can't comment and keep the moderation (even if I post anonymous) I think it will serve better to offer a bit of reassurance. Specifying that T.A.H.I.T.I. was a protocol actually is what breaks the joke. Remember, early on in the series Coulson and everyone without clearance around him only knew that after he was killed in Avengers he went to Tahiti for a miraculous recovery. It wasn't till near the climax of the season that he and the team found out what T.A.H.I.T.I. really was.

    3. Re:..so, T.A.H.I.T.I. ? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 2

      Although the general ethical considerations are quite horrendous. If they do find a reliable way to reverse brain death in an appropriately preserved body then this could have massive implications for cryogenics and open up an entirely new field of Long Haul Surgery.

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    4. Re:..so, T.A.H.I.T.I. ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because I can't comment and keep the moderation (even if I post anonymous) I think it will serve better to offer a bit of reassurance. Specifying that T.A.H.I.T.I. was a protocol actually is what breaks the joke. Remember, early on in the series Coulson and everyone without clearance around him only knew that after he was killed in Avengers he went to Tahiti for a miraculous recovery. It wasn't till near the climax of the season that he and the team found out what T.A.H.I.T.I. really was.

      T.A.H.I.T.I. Protocol involves 3d printing brain tissue along with an infusion of Cree Blood and then erasing memory of the whole procedure.
      And it is agonizing.. And the Cree blood does not protect non-in humans from turning into rock if they encounter Teragen crystals.

      oh yea..

      Spoiler Alert

    5. Re:..so, T.A.H.I.T.I. ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's cool, we got it. Thumbs up :)

  2. Get ready for it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "This research headed by Dr. Herbert West of Miskatonic University...."

  3. At last, to execution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At long last, Plan 9 will be revealed to the public!

    1. Re:At last, to execution by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1
    2. Re:At last, to execution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sh*t, they already made it into a movie? And nobody listened?

  4. Do I see zombies here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bringing back the dead, I thought zombie stories belonged on a different site?

    1. Re:Do I see zombies here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would it work on brain-dead users? This would put the story back into Slashdot land.

    2. Re:Do I see zombies here? by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our new Frankenstein overlords.

  5. US Congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has many in need. Just look on the Republican side. Pick any. Take all.

    1. Re:US Congress by foradoxium · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I was with you until you started picking sides. We all know all of congress has brains that would qualify for this, not just a particular side.

    2. Re:US Congress by muddyrance · · Score: 1

      You're fooling yourself. Both sides are guilty. http://www.opensecrets.org/new... [opensecrets.org]

    3. Re:US Congress by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Republican members of Congress are there because money paid for them to be there.

      The word "Republican" is irrelevant to the truth of this statement. With, or without this word, the statement is factually true.

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    4. Re:US Congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're completely wrong. Democrats have been using this technology for decades. How else would they manage to get all those dead people to keep voting for them?

    5. Re:US Congress by KGIII · · Score: 1

      > Just by gut, I'd say the typical (D) has a 30 point IQ advantage over the typical (R).

      Then you should be all the more disgusted by them but you're not. Why not? Because you're a dishonest person.

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  6. movie plot by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    seen it.

  7. Inheritance taxation in Danger by NEDHead · · Score: 0

    Republicans stumble around while rejoicing, and repeatedly banging into walls.

    1. Re:Inheritance taxation in Danger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. You're a clever fellow, ain't ya?

    2. Re:Inheritance taxation in Danger by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      I am many things, none of which is anonymous or a coward.

    3. Re: Inheritance taxation in Danger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. You're very brave. So, is NEDHead your real first name or real last name?

    4. Re:Inheritance taxation in Danger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There certainly is a big difference between using a nickname and just using AC.... you're such a tough guy.

  8. Reanimator ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, seriously, everybody knows it's a bad idea to bring back dead people. Hummm where is the most isolated place in Europe ? I should buy some land there...

    1. Re:Reanimator ? by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

      There's some great waterfront property in Antarctica. I heard the taxes are very low there.

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    2. Re:Reanimator ? by oakgrove · · Score: 2

      I heard the taxes are very low there.

      Does that explain the infrastructure problem?

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    3. Re:Reanimator ? by npslider · · Score: 4, Funny

      National mandatory dress code: full tuxedos

    4. Re:Reanimator ? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Chances are you will find a more isolated place in the Americas than in Europe.

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    5. Re:Reanimator ? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Hummm where is the most isolated place in Europe ? I should buy some land there...

      That would be the Bouvet Island.
      It's in the South Atlantic, but a dependency of Norway, so politically it's European. It's the Island that is farthest away from any inhabited land, and there may or may not be a research station building that is still standing. You get your own country code, though - .bv

  9. Sign me up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "the team plans to start recruiting patients immediately."
    Sign me up!

  10. "Granted ethical permission" by Empiric · · Score: 1

    From whom?

    Would that be an ethics board consisting of investors, politicians, or an objective mix of both?

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    1. Re:"Granted ethical permission" by sinij · · Score: 1

      Granted ethical permission. From whom?

      Groans, grunting, and uttering of 'Brains!' from the patient were interpreted as an informed consent for the procedure.

    2. Re:"Granted ethical permission" by xanthines-R-yummy · · Score: 1

      From the article:

      "The ReAnima Project has just received approach from an Institutional Review Board at the National Institutes of Health in the US and in India, and the team plans to start recruiting patients immediately."

      I'm not British, so maybe it's isn't a mistake but I think the word "approach" should have been "approval".

      Basically, they got IRB approval for the study. They mention NIH, because the NIH's Office of Science Policy has rules and criteria for the formation of hospital's or university's IRB. I don't know the details of the study, but my guess is that local hospital where the trial is to take place gave approval. They mention NIH because it gives it an air legitimacy. I'm not saying this isn't a legit study, but I think all the NIH did was to approve the formation and composition of the IRB, not the actual study.

      NIH Office of Science Policy:
      http://osp.od.nih.gov/

    3. Re:"Granted ethical permission" by Empiric · · Score: 1

      It will be interesting to see how "IRB approval" helps them... very long term.

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  11. I'm sure I've read a book about this already by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

    and it didn't end well for the living.

    1. Re:I'm sure I've read a book about this already by npslider · · Score: 1

      I'd be more worried about how it ends up for the dead.

    2. Re:I'm sure I've read a book about this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doctor Herb West did not end well.

      http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/reanimator.htm

    3. Re:I'm sure I've read a book about this already by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      All jokes aside it could be a big help for people that suffer strokes or kids that have traumatic brain injuries.

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  12. Not good by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    You will be forced to live forever!

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    1. Re:Not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Officially dead, you no longer qualify for welfare or human rights. Enjoy your immortality, slave.

    2. Re:Not good by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dead people don't pay taxes. I can see the 1% lining up for this.

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    3. Re:Not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That describes the original Zombies:

      Zombies are featured widely in Haitian rural folklore as dead persons physically revived by the act of necromancy of a bokor, a sorcerer or witch. The bokor is opposed by the houngan or priest and the mambo or priestess of the formal voodoo religion. A zombie remains under the control of the bokor as a personal slave, having no will of its own.

      Wikipedia of course

    4. Re:Not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Douglas Adams included just such a possibility in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

      Hotblack Desiato

    5. Re:Not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dead people don't pay taxes.

      For now.

    6. Re:Not good by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Dead people don't pay taxes. I can see the 1% lining up for this.

      Hah! Have you heard of death duties? :)

    7. Re:Not good by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      No successor, no death duties, inheritance tax, etc. And if the IRS wants money, he can literally give them a pound of flesh.

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  13. One word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zombies.

    1. Re:One word by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Shotgun sales will go through the roof!

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    2. Re:One word by npslider · · Score: 1

      *Re-watches EVERY zombie movie made while frantically taking notes

    3. Re:One word by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      You'll be in for a surprise when you find out it's not zombies, the lasers let the demons in. Totally different set of properties and weaknesses. That's the tagline for my new screenplay, by the way: "The Lasers Let the Demons In." It'll sell like hotcakes, I'm sure.

    4. Re:One word by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      That's weird, my screenplay is titled "The Sharks Did It".

    5. Re:One word by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Mine was "Sharks Jump The Laser".

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  14. Well, in *some* books it does... by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 2

    ...like, say, Ted Chiang's "Understand".

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  15. Zombie Apocalypse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Run for the hills.

  16. Lasers and injections? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    That must be the real deal! Just how they show it in the movies!

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  17. The ultimate terror: Locked-in syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm frightened that they'll turn comatose/brain-dead people into locked-in people. I consider the latter a fate worse than death.

    1. Re:The ultimate terror: Locked-in syndrome by Wycliffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm frightened that they'll turn comatose/brain-dead people into locked-in people. I consider the latter a fate worse than death.

      I was thinking something similar. What exactly happens if they get this person 10% functioning again? Is euthanasia legal for someone previously declared dead or are they now forced to keep this half alive person alive? What if they regain their brain but not their memory (see the book Worthing Saga). Is this a desirable outcome where you have an adult with the brain of an infant that now has to relearn everything? Even if it's 100% and they can eventually return to normal intelligence, you now have 10+ years of learning to walk, read, write, and all the other things we learn in childhood. I'm not even sure that is a desirable outcome.

    2. Re:The ultimate terror: Locked-in syndrome by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, we have no idea how these people are as it is. They are declared "brain dead", but are they actually brain dead, or just unable to react to any stimulus? Could we actually free them from their bodily prison with this sort of work? There has been research showing that people previously thought to be brain dead could actually be communicated with using fMRI's combined with very specific setups (basically telling the person to think of something specific for yes and of something completely different for no, then analyzing the scans to determine the answer).

    3. Re:The ultimate terror: Locked-in syndrome by amorsen · · Score: 1

      There has been research showing that people previously thought to be brain dead could actually be communicated with using fMRI's combined with very specific setups (basically telling the person to think of something specific for yes and of something completely different for no, then analyzing the scans to determine the answer).

      No. No there has not. Brain dead people really are brain dead, their brains are not showing activity on scans. Otherwise they wouldn't be brain dead.

      There has been studies showing that locked-in people can actually communicate using fMRI scans. But they're locked-in, not brain dead.

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    4. Re:The ultimate terror: Locked-in syndrome by Sir+Holo · · Score: 2

      I'm frightened that they'll turn comatose/brain-dead people into locked-in people. I consider the latter a fate worse than death.

      I was thinking something similar. What exactly happens if they get this person 10% functioning again? Is euthanasia legal for someone previously declared dead or are they now forced to keep this half alive person alive? What if they regain their brain but not their memory (see the book Worthing Saga). Is this a desirable outcome where you have an adult with the brain of an infant that now has to relearn everything? Even if it's 100% and they can eventually return to normal intelligence, you now have 10+ years of learning to walk, read, write, and all the other things we learn in childhood. I'm not even sure that is a desirable outcome.

      Memory, intelligence, and many basic functions are unlikely to "come back".

      These are patients who died of a TBI – on which severed the spinal cord from the brain, basically. With TBI of that degree, it is usually due to a strong blow to the head. They will have suffered subdural hematomae. They will likely have encephalomalacia – parts of the brain that were bruised in the TBI, and have subsequently died.

      Reconnecting the autonomic nervous system would be a great thing, but the patients ought to be chosen very carefully. If there are pockets of spinal fluid in their skulls, where there used to be brain, then it will not come back. Ever. Encephalomalacia. Look it up. Brain does not regrow. It dies, and is replaced by spinal fluid, surrounded by a scar layer, separating it from the remaining "live" brain tissue.

      The brain is dynamic, and can shift functions to other regions, but to awaken as a child in an adult's body is a horror that I cannot imagine.

      And the legal aspects: After being declared 'dead', you are no longer a person. The resurrected human — what would they be? "New births"? "Revival of said ex-person, w/all debts still in-place"?

      There was little mention of animal trials.

      TBIs are not fun things.

    5. Re:The ultimate terror: Locked-in syndrome by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'm frightened that they'll turn comatose/brain-dead people into locked-in people. I consider the latter a fate worse than death.

      I was thinking something similar. What exactly happens if they get this person 10% functioning again?

      I am going to have gaddamned nightmares about this!

      I wonder what the "screening" is going to be? Familes deciding they want to take the chance that they might send their dearly departed into a world of non-concious screaming pain and agony? The locked in example? Horrors!

      Ethics? Was Josef Mengele on the ethics committee?

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    6. Re:The ultimate terror: Locked-in syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, what if the brain is not dead, but simply powered off.

      I've long argued this should be tried with LSD, Lights and techno-music and yes I am serious.

      Given what we know about how seizures can be caused by flashing lights and pokemon, if we are trying to reboot a brain that is offline, then sending the input along the optic nerve seems the most logical place to start at least for the higher brain functions.

      I would argue this is basically how our mind naturally develops anyway, as when children are born their visual input is limited to featureless blobs and as they age and the brain starts to form new pathways, dimension, color and position start to be understood by the brain.

      It couldn't hurt, I mean they are already brain dead but sadly, no one will give me a bunch of braindead people and a sheet or two of blotter paper to try it out on.

    7. Re:The ultimate terror: Locked-in syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't the cells still alive?

    8. Re:The ultimate terror: Locked-in syndrome by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      Aren't the cells still alive?

      Irrelevant for the definition of "brain death". It means that the brain, as an organ, is currently nonfunctional and there is no prognosis of it returning to a functional state at any point in the future.

      If you disassemble a brain into its component cells and keep each and every single cell alive in the process, the result is still brain death.

    9. Re:The ultimate terror: Locked-in syndrome by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Is euthanasia legal for someone previously declared dead or are they now forced to keep this half alive person alive?

      I suspect the expectation is that they will not get as close as that, and that they will cross that bridge when they come to it. The thinking probably goes along lines like "these people are already dead, so we can try this out and dispose of them afterwards".

      What if they regain their brain but not their memory (see the book Worthing Saga). Is this a desirable outcome where you have an adult with the brain of an infant that now has to relearn everything? Even if it's 100% and they can eventually return to normal intelligence, you now have 10+ years of learning to walk, read, write, and all the other things we learn in childhood. I'm not even sure that is a desirable outcome.

      This is probably not what they are trying to achieve - it would certainly be meaningless. There is very little reason to expect the person thus revived to be the person that had died - it would most likely be a new person in a mature or old body; it would be wrong on all levels. But if they can get the technology to work, it may mean that it becomes possible to repair brain damage - like after a stroke. That would be valuable.

    10. Re:The ultimate terror: Locked-in syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the legal aspects: After being declared 'dead', you are no longer a person. The resurrected human — what would they be? "New births"? "Revival of said ex-person, w/all debts still in-place"?

      I believe the term you are looking for is "Zombie"

    11. Re:The ultimate terror: Locked-in syndrome by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      I believe the term you are looking for is "Zombie"

      "Zombie" is neither a legal nor a scientific term. I think the OP is looking for "undeceased".

  18. Question by rlp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Division of Umbrella Corp? Just asking ...

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  19. Where's my Sci-Fi stash? by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    Here's a new idea for a plot: person being experimented-on can't move or respond but feels and hears everything. Agony, hopelessness, and desperation as research staff leaves the TV on reruns of old shows for decades. By the time they fully revive him, he's gone mad and they give up. The Diving Bell and the Metamorphosis.

    1. Re:Where's my Sci-Fi stash? by Henarchaga · · Score: 1

      John Scalzi beat you to it, with his book Lock-In: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  20. Thus began the zombie apocolypse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thus began the zombie apocolypse. All hail our new master, the Umbrella Corporation!

  21. they saved hitler's brain and cloned it by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    they saved hitler's brain and cloned it

    one in trump

    and

    one in putin

    1. Re:they saved hitler's brain and cloned it by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You're wrong. The only evil thing about Trump is the hair piece, he should have never gotten that transplant.

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    2. Re:they saved hitler's brain and cloned it by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 1

      And they left Hillary and Bernie completely brainless, so no hope this therapy will do anything for them.

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    3. Re: they saved hitler's brain and cloned it by jsh1972 · · Score: 1

      Keep making fun of Drumpf's hair and there will be hell toupee!

  22. Reanimator by astro · · Score: 1

    Paging Herbert West, Herbert West, please come to the blue phone!

  23. Just be careful by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    If their eyes turn blue, you should probably burn them.

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  24. Who edits this stuff? by PvtVoid · · Score: 1

    "to recruit 20 patients who have been declared clinically dead from a traumatic brain injury"

    I'm really interested to hear how you can recruit someone who is clinically dead. Or is it just the editors who are brain-dead?

  25. Future Wikipedia article by cyriustek · · Score: 1

    The current zombie epidemic was caused by BioTek when they tried to reanimate the dead. (citation needed)

  26. How did this pass congress? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

    I mean, aren't they afraid of the competition?

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  27. 20 new members of congress by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    So, here are our next 20 congressmen.

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  28. Great. Watch it spin. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    Within a week I'll be seeing this on some politically-skewed news site given as proof that brain death is just something doctors invented as an excuse to kill people. A week later, Obama will have invented it.

    1. Re:Great. Watch it spin. by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      "Brain Death" is "Death". If a person's autonomic nervous system cannot support the life (respiration, digestion, heartbeat, etc.), then the organism is clinically dead.

      That said, there are people who are awake and aware, and depend on life-support to be "alive" and functioning.

      EXAMPLE: Polio victims. They live in chambers that do their breathing for them. They are otherwise awake and aware. I would not call them "dead", as some have been interviewed – from the big chamber that breathes for them. They must talk in sync with the device — it decides when they breathe.

      Ethical questions of this experiment are myriad.

    2. Re:Great. Watch it spin. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      You underestimate the power of politically-driven stupidity. In this case of the right-wing flavor, but the left are not much better. Here's an example:

      Politically biased news example: http://onenewsnow.com/pro-life...

      A child experiences a medical emergency, things go south, he is left brain dead. The hospital urges disconnection of life support, but the parents remain in understandable denial - can't really blame them for that. They are soon aided by a pro-life pressure group, the PJI. The group then uses the standard legal practice of expert-shopping, finding a doctor who will support their case, and turn to Dr. Paul Byrne. He has testified that the child is alive, even though he has never even seen the child in person, and coincidentally happens to be president of the Life Guardian Foundation and an active campaigner against the concept of brain death - which he believes to be something "concocted by transplant physicians and their allies who wanted to enlarge the donor pool by including patients who are really not dead."

      That's the great thing about expert testimony in legal cases: If a thousand doctors say you are wrong, and one doctor says you are right, you can go with the one. Works for finding people to testify before Congress too.

      Full legal details: https://www.scribd.com/embeds/...

      All this serves to illustrate the broader point: There is a substantial association of pressure groups, desperate parents, religious organisations and Dr Byrne who reject the idea of brain death. They believe that there is always, always hope - even if the hope is of the supernatural variety, the possibility of divine intervention remains if they can just pray hard enough. This research is going to be processed through the spin machine and, when it comes out the other side, it's going to appear on onenewsnow, lifesitenews, and eventually the more mainstream places like Fox as 'scientific proof' that there is no such thing as brain death and it's all a conspiracy made up by hospitals so they can execute unprofitable patients or harvest more organs for transplant.

  29. Brain dead is fully dead by aepervius · · Score: 1

    Full stop. If they "regrow" something it will be 100% a new person, most probably limited to basic baby like reaction. Now if they had spoken of persistent vegetative state that would be something else. But assuming a correct diagnose then brain dead == corpse with a beating heart maintained by machines.

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    1. Re:Brain dead is fully dead by sjames · · Score: 1

      Unless they get the diagnosis wrong...

    2. Re:Brain dead is fully dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the brain isn't a constantly changing network of neurochemical pathways and turns to pudding the instant of death?

  30. Stem cells and Lasers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe a Jacob's ladder or at least a tesla coil are customary in such experiments.

  31. Recruit? by Henarchaga · · Score: 1

    At least the recruiter doesn't need to have any social skills!

  32. You're saying it wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's pronounced, 'Frankensteen!'

  33. Why? by twotacocombo · · Score: 1

    Yeah, death sucks and usually makes the survivors feel shitty for a while, but it's all part of life. I can understand trying to cure a disease that leads to a long and painful demise, but why try to bring the dead back to life? They've already gone through the hard part. I'd personally be pissed if I died, then found out I had to do it all over again at a later date. Also, if we 'cure' brain death, we'll no longer have an ethical way to harvest organs for donation. The loss of a single person often leads to saving the lives of several others. Sometimes dead is better. :)

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not trying to bring the dead back to life. They're doing neurological regeneration experiments on live human patients who are clinically dead.

    2. Re:Why? by sjames · · Score: 2

      The end goal is not re-animating the dead. The goal is regenerative medicine for the still living who have severe brain damage. They're just experimenting on the dead first for ethical reasons.

    3. Re:Why? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      They're not trying to bring the dead back to life. They're doing neurological regeneration experiments on live human patients who are clinically dead.

      Are these 20 study-participants awake in any sense, or are they in a coma?

      If the goal is simply to re-connect the brain stem to the autonomic nervous system in clinically dead (ex-) persons, but not to address the many other parts of their brain that are dead... well, then it is starting to sound like a good choice.

      That is: Comatose study-body. Autonomic system function restored (no life support needed), but still in coma or "brain dead" by encephalomalacia, no matter the outcome of the study...

      Well, that seems to be the case, so I take back my "anti-Frankenstein" comments a few moments ago. These are bodies donated to medical science, and will be used for that purpose alone. That negates my prior comments about "resurrection" and so on.

      The misleading summary... RTFA. I, having done that, now see that this is good science, and no different from any medical studies of "bodies donated to science". Most are used to train physicians, who must each dissect an individual corpse during one of their major classes leading to an MD. The MD students end the class with a reverent ceremony, to honor those who donated their corpses to train soon-to-be physicians.

      In your will, I recommend "donating your body to medicine", in addition to being a registered organ donor (especially if you ride a motorcycle). Good organs are needed by many living people.

    4. Re:Why? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      in addition to being a registered organ donor (especially if you ride a motorcycle). Good organs are needed by many living people.

      I was 100 percent with you until you wrote the motorcycle bit. Did you go to school to become such a jerk?

      Or do non motorcycle riders live forever?

      Jerk.

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    5. Re:Why? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 2

      in addition to being a registered organ donor (especially if you ride a motorcycle). Good organs are needed by many living people.

      I was 100 percent with you until you wrote the motorcycle bit. Did you go to school to become such a jerk?

      Or do non motorcycle riders live forever?

      Jerk.

      ER Physicians call them "Donor Cycles". Gallows humor, but pretty much true.

      I owned and rode a Yamaha 650 for many years. It was a delight, especially on mountain roads. But those guys who lane-split in heavy LA traffic at 90 mph? They are just asking for a random event that will be the end (such as an unanticipated lane-change).

      I was once behind a kid, maybe 16, on a high-power motorcycle. He clearly did not know how to ride safely --- he kept looking back behind him as he gained speed to 100 mph or so. Then - he stood on the seat of the bike and raised his arms to the sky for 1/8 to 1/4 mile. That kid? A soon-to-be organ donor

      Ride responsibly, assuming that no cars can actually see you. Always have two "safety maneuvers" in mind at ever given moment if you are in car traffic. This way, you don't die.

      And at any rate, among motorcyclists, regarding the topic of accidents, everyone agrees that it is a matter of "when", not "if".

    6. Re:Why? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      And at any rate, among motorcyclists, regarding the topic of accidents, everyone agrees that it is a matter of "when", not "if".

      As for expiring, the same goes for everyone else as well.

      But just like the school I drove past last summer that had an inspirational sign that read "Have a safe summer!", safety culture has permeated most of us so completely that many people's main goal in life is to not have an accident.

      I've already had a motorcycle accident - several if you count the off-road motocross type accidents of my youth. I also twisted my ankle during a hike on Monday. I have no intention of giving up either hiking or motorcycling.

      someone once said:

      Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW-- What a Ride!"

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    7. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just stating a fact. Speed riding on a two-wheeled vehicle with no crumple zone is stupid, dangerous and exciting, so it's exactly something an adolescent would do. The other major source of healthy young corpses is suicides, but these usually make sure they won't be found while they're fresh.

    8. Re:Why? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It's just stating a fact. Speed riding on a two-wheeled vehicle with no crumple zone is stupid, dangerous and exciting, so it's exactly something an adolescent would do. The other major source of healthy young corpses is suicides, but these usually make sure they won't be found while they're fresh.

      Looks like the agoraphobia crown has chimed in. If motorcycles make you shit your pants, then don't ride them.

      My stupidity or yours is just an opinion, I shar it - you are stupid. I only have the added opinion that you and all the other safety culturists are pretty pathetic. So many people today, live longer lives assisted by medicine, and safety culture, but not many of htem are terribly happy that they are hitting the 90's. And if I had to make a choice between getting obliterated in a "murdercycle" accident, or speding the last 15 years of my life rotting away in a nursing home, I'll take the former any day. Save your money - the nursing home needs it.

      Stay safe - It's the most important thing in life!

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  34. Universal Soldier by burni2 · · Score: 1

    Good old Jean-Claude van Ramme.

  35. And if it works? by mbone · · Score: 1

    So, suppose this works and a patient is revived to the point they are no longer brain dead. Will they be declared living? Will BioQuark assume responsibility for their care? Or, being legally dead, can BioQuark terminate them when they are done?

    1. Re:And if it works? by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

      Good questions, it is an ethical minefield.

  36. Uh-oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks H1B workers are no longer the problem now it will zombies.

  37. And also... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it is really going to mess with the organ market, since there will be fewer sources to harvest.

  38. Next step, cyborg armies. by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

    Just say'n...

  39. Resistance Is Futile by uberbrainchild8437 · · Score: 1

    We are the Borg... ehm.. I mean BioQuark

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  40. BioTech Is Godzilla by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    Great song from Sepultura.

  41. They are finally coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After so many half-baked stories about Zombies, I finally know how it all started.

  42. JTAG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    JTAG for bricked brains..

    1. Re:JTAG by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      JTAG for bricked brains..

      If it works half as well as the JTAG adapters I know and use ...

      ... keep that thing the heck away from me!

  43. It's the other way round. by Ihlosi · · Score: 2
    So the brain isn't a constantly changing network of neurochemical pathways and turns to pudding the instant of death?

    It's actually the other way round. Once it has been established that the constantly changing network of neurochemical pathways has irrevocably turned into pudding, brain death is declared.

  44. Recruiting ... dead people? How hard is that? by fygment · · Score: 1

    Recruiter: "So Mr ... ah .. Smith. My final question for you is the important one. As for the previous questions, your silence will be interpreted as consent. So, Mr. Smith would you like to be part of our study? '

    Brain Dead Person (Mr. Smith):

    Recruiter: "Excellent! Welcome aboard, great to have you on the team. Our people will draft up the paperwork and we'll get right to work. Thank you for your cooperation."

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  45. Talking Nail by JohnPerkins · · Score: 1

    I can't escape the feeling that anyone brought back in this manner would be living in vain.

    Maybe NASA would have a use for them...

  46. I'm confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I came across this idea on Facebook. Is this a real thing they are practicing, or is it just a movie?