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Jeremy Clarkson's Amazon Show To Be Called The Grand Tour (theguardian.com)

Jasper Jackson and Dugald Baird, writing for The Guardian: Amazon's new motoring show starring Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond, and James May will be called The Grand Tour. In a statement, the former Top Gear trio thanked fans for taking the time to send in their suggestions for the name, which they said were "much appreciated". "Thing is," said Clarkson, "we'll be travelling the world hosting each episode in a different country, from a giant tent. It's a sort of 'grand tour', if you like. So we've decided to call it The Grand Tour." May said he was underwhelmed by the name. "I wanted to call it 'Nigel', or 'Roger'," he said. "We needed a name, and they're names." Hammond was more positive. "I already love camping," he said. "But this is something else. We are like our pioneering and prospecting forebears, sallying forth into a new frontier of broadcasting, and making our home where."

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  1. But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you must be PRIME!

  2. Superb editing as always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sallying forth into a new frontier of broadcasting, and making our home whereâ¦

    Slashdot, where they're only required to write a paragraph and they still can't do it properly.

  3. I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by mrchaotica · · Score: 0

    (see subject)

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    1. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by funwithBSD · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Or Boaty McBoatface.

      On second thought, maybe Jagy McJagface.

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    2. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by phantomflanflinger · · Score: 1

      The 160,000 Grand Tour. http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-...

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    3. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by Misagon · · Score: 0

      I liked "Ace Biscuit", that James May had suggested.

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    4. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Considering Clarkson's record on international diplomacy and pissing off the natives, is a world tour really a good idea? Sounds like they are just trying to cause trouble so people watch it.

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    5. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Idiot Abroad" was already taken.

    6. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by stealth_finger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bah! They should've gone with Gear Knobs, it's motoring related, self mocking and kinda close but no too close to the old name

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    7. Re: I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As part of their agreement with the BBC they were not allowed to use either "Top" or "Gear" in their new show title.

    8. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering Clarkson's record on international diplomacy and pissing off the natives, is a world tour really a good idea?

      You must be British. Stop the fucking PC and quit whining.

    9. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      The "knobs" reference will not work in the US, though.

    10. Re: I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As part of their agreement with the BBC they were not allowed to use either "Top" or "Gear" in their new show title.

      What agreement? Clarkson was sacked. Why the F would he sign anything?

      It's like an employer asking you to sign all kinds of waivers and NDAs during your exit interview.

    11. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by Coisiche · · Score: 3, Informative

      The best suggestion for a name that I saw was "The Whacky Racists". Top marks to the person that came up with that.

    12. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it really make people feel better about the fact that they have persecution complexes to call Jeremy Clarkson a racist? Especially over racism towards THE IRISH!?!?

    13. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      They'll still get 2 of 3. I'm sure word will filter down what a knob is. They know what a wanker is now don't they?

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    14. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well he can't vert well stay put if he's sufficiently pissed off the natives.

    15. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

      It sounds to me like they are focusing on the part of Top Gear I liked the least.
      There were a few gems but I could have done without most of them.

    16. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by henni16 · · Score: 1

      IIRC they decided against using any name with "gear" in it for legal reasons.
      I guess there could've been trademark issues based on a fear of people confusing the two shows, if the trademarked titles are too close in addition(!) to the moderators and the general topic being the same.

      I'm pretty sure I've read about trademark lawsuits based on flimsier similarity/confusion arguments.

    17. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Yeah but there's another show on channel 5 called fifth gear which is a lot closer and they haven't ever said anything about that. I don't think the beeb would really have a leg to stand on if they tried to go after them for using the word gear.

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    18. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Of course they would. It's quite likely Clarkson is prohibited from being associated with any motoring TV show with "top" or "gear" in its name, and that that would have been in his contract from before he was kicked off the show. That Channel 5 has "Fifth Gear" doesn't matter, as Clarkson is not involved with it. See the difference?

    19. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Not really. IF there's a provision he's already signed and agreed saying HE and possibly the other two won't then then they might have a breach of agreement on him if they did that depending on the specifics of the terms. He's no longer under contract with them so it would only be for an x years thing anyway. But on a copyrights naming ground they don't have shit if they left fifth gear alone for so long. So yeah, if it's in a contact then fair enough but otherwise they can't claim the words top or gear.

      Regardless, imo, gear knobs is a better name than grand tour and that's what I'm calling it.

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    20. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I guess that Nigel is OK. Good thing that there's not a T.V. Network called Roger though, I'm not sure I'd want to watch Nigel on Roger....

    21. Re:I dunno; I kind of like "Nigel" better. by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 1

      Hey i just got an idea... Clarkson vs Trump. You know you want to see it.

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  4. s/Tour/Dads/g by Viol8 · · Score: 0

    Seriously, they took 6 months to come up with this name? Doesn't bode well for the rest of the show.

    1. Re:s/Tour/Dads/g by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe they devoted all their efforts to coming up with exciting new ways to be old, unoriginal and unfunny.

    2. Re:s/Tour/Dads/g by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, they took 6 months to come up with the format of the show, figure out the logistics of filming it, and presumably start filming it. Now it's time to start hyping it in preparation of starting to air it later this year, thus they announce the name.

    3. Re:s/Tour/Dads/g by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seriously, they took 6 months to come up with this name? Doesn't bode well for the rest of the show.

      Maybe they needed to agree to discard all the alternatives. Also they needed to figure out precisely what they planned on doing and calling it a tour isn't obvious until they figured they really would be in a new location each week. Most of Top Gear took place at the same location with the same test track. If they wanted to copy that, then tour would make no sense at all.

      Last but not least, we don't know if they decided on the name long ago, but they could not say it publicly before they were given the ok to do so from Amazon and/or some legal department.

    4. Re:s/Tour/Dads/g by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool story, brah.

    5. Re:s/Tour/Dads/g by DaHat · · Score: 1

      Given that Top Gear UK returns this month, it's also quite plausible they (Grand Tour) opted to try to steal some of their thunder.

    6. Re:s/Tour/Dads/g by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

      From the sound of the chaos going on at Top Gear, that show is its own worst enemy and will probably manage to implode and take the whole of the BBC with it.

      Amazon's show has no need to steal thunder.

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    7. Re:s/Tour/Dads/g by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 1

      They should just start airing the American Top Gear on BBC. I'm sure the brits would love the witty comedy of... whathisname, and the way he's always... well, you know. they also have that other guy. HE'S a hoot. I think. i forget what he said but i heard it made a few people chuckle. or maybe the main guy said it. I dunno, i couldnt tell what made any of them different or why the producers thought they had good chemistry.

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  5. Making our home... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....where the unicode roam.

  6. Carry McCarface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just saying.
    Carry McCarface.

  7. Geoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should have called it Geoff.

  8. http://bit.ly/IKDMgB by mwvdlee · · Score: 0

    (re; subject: see subject)

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  9. RSS Sir Richard Attenborough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Whatever they decided to call it, its going to be call the "Sir Richard Attenborough Show" because that's how the world works now.

    I voted for "Punchy Mc Lazy Shit Face", but they wouldn't let that name be used.

  10. Their first idea had prior art by gachunt · · Score: 1, Funny

    Marketer 1: "Jeremy Clarkson is a Star."

    Marketer 2: "And their on a Trek."

    Marketer 1: "Starrrr.... "

    Marketer 2: "Trrrrek.... "

    Together: "Star Trek!!"

    1. Re:Their first idea had prior art by Hognoxious · · Score: 1, Funny

      Legal officer: "Don't be so bloody stupid, we'd totally get sued. And by the way, I think you mean they're."

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  11. If I'm Ben Bova, I'm suing their asses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He came up with it first in his fantastic series of Sci-Fi novels.

  12. Who Cares? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All we want to know is when it will hit Prime. What it's named is as uninteresting as watching Top Gear now that these three aren't on it.

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    1. Re:Who Cares? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Wait, the BBC decided to continue Top Gear with new hosts? Why?!

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    2. Re:Who Cares? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wait, the BBC decided to continue Top Gear with new hosts? Why?!

      Because Top Gear was their most successful program by a wide margin, even given the success of Downton Abbey. If they can recapture even a quarter of their original viewership, it will still be one of their most successful programs.

      I think they completely failed at choosing their hosts, though. Like, across the board failed. They made zero good decisions.

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    3. Re:Who Cares? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I'm willing to give the new Top Gear a chance. I hate Evans, but then I hated Clarkson too. It was May and Hammond who carried it, and maybe the other new presenters will carry Evans.

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    4. Re:Who Cares? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Because it was popular before Clarkson et al (for 25 years, no less) and stands a decent chance of being popular again, and this time with a wider audience.

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    5. Re: Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clarkson hits Prime, not the show. Randomly assaulting his coworkers is kind of his thing.

    6. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I remember the show was on its last legs and Clarkson brought it back from the dead.

    7. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They just released a trailer:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rur6a9QKmi4

      Personally, I don't think there's much hope for it. The presenters look like they lack charisma and are trying too hard.

    8. Re:Who Cares? by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Eh, Sabine was a good choice for a car host. Not really the most British though... But yeah, I see the new hosts being a flop.

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    9. Re:Who Cares? by mccalli · · Score: 1

      Not so - it was at its most popular, and the popular presenters decided to defect and create their own show. That trio of people was meant to be Clarkson, Quentin Wilson, Tiff Needell. They were damned popular, and wanted to exploit that.

      Clarkson then reneged on it, leaving just Quentin Wilson and Tiff Needell. That show became 5th Gear, and Clarkson rebuilt Top Gear using 'new' presenters. They weren't actually new, they were just not the main stars of the show until then. Those people were James May and Richard Hammond.

      tl;dr: Clarkson, May and Hammond were once basically in close to the same position as the new team will be now. There is one difference obviously - Clarkson to provide continuity. There are very definite similarities though.

    10. Re:Who Cares? by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 1

      Wait, the BBC decided to continue Top Gear with new hosts? Why?!

      Because Top Gear was their most successful program by a wide margin, even given the success of Downton Abbey. If they can recapture even a quarter of their original viewership, it will still be one of their most successful programs.

      I think they completely failed at choosing their hosts, though. Like, across the board failed. They made zero good decisions.

      I'd have to disagree with that. I kind of like Sabine Schmitz, her circuit of the Nuremberg ring in in that Fort Transit van was simply awesome. She didn't beat Clarkson's time in that van like she promised but she came close enough. She was 47 seconds faster in the Jag and only 9 seconds slower in the Transit which was enough to make Clarkson look like a third rate driver (him and a whole bunch of machos in sports cars who got overtaken along the way by a little German woman in a Transit van) and even Clarkson had to admit that.

    11. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Joey from Friends is one of the 15 hosts on the new Top Gear.

    12. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only watched it because i love how much of an asshole jeremy clarkson is to everyone. the fact that he hit some moron who didn't know how to do his job was just icing on the cake. i love common sense shows where people flip the bird to the PC police and where the hosts are just real people like you and me.

    13. Re:Who Cares? by GNious · · Score: 1

      Yes, Matt LeBlanc will carry the show .... /me coughs gently

    14. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I hate Evans, but then I hated Clarkson too. It was May and Hammond who carried it"

      I don't think you realise just how involved Clarkson was in the full production of the show. Aside from his slapstick, naughty school boy on camera persona, he was also heavily involved in writing and producing the show. Even for the May and Hammond on air bits.

    15. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      i love common sense shows where people flip the bird to the PC police and where the hosts are just real people like you and me.

      Not like me. I don't go around assaulting people without good reason. You and Clarkson are a pair of twats.

    16. Re:Who Cares? by Maritz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Downton Abbey was ITV.

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    17. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really fascinates me how people like you are so fixed on Jeremy Clarkson's dick. I wish he'd taken a swing at me.

    18. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't you know, all British TV is considered BBC the rest of the world

    19. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Look up Chris Harris (one of the new presenters) up on Youtube, honestly this guy was born to present TopGear. So glad the old trio are off

    20. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a hosts driving ability matters in an entertainment show how? I don't think Clarkson, Hammond or May ever claimed that they were professional race drivers, that was the entire purpose of the STIG being there. It sounds like Evans and LeBlanc will be the only full time presenters of new Top Gear, with the other 4 popping in here and there where their talents/personality would fit. I'll be interested to glance at an episode or two when it becomes available on a format I have access to, but I'm not expecting it to be too much better than some of the localized spinoff shows (American, Australian, etc) which I could barely sit through an episode of.

    21. Re:Who Cares? by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Sabine Schmitz is definitely a good driver. And she was entertaining in the Top Gear segments featuring her. But can she carry the whole show as a presenter? It's one thing to be entertaining in a segment. It's another thing to present the whole show... repeatedly over the season/series... and remain as entertaining.

      And Schmitz would pretty much have to carry the whole show herself. The Stig doesn't talk. Chris Evans is okay for a bit, but gets tedious after about ten minutes. Joey from Friends... not only is he completely out of place, but is there anyone from that pantheon who is *not* totally insipid? And the others are so forgettable, I've already forgotten who they are.

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    22. Re:Who Cares? by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      It was "popular before Clarkson" like The Daily Show was popular before Jon Stewart.

      "and this time with a wider audience"

      Yeah... probably not. Here's the thing: Before CHM, Top Gear had a modest following. Then CH came in with Wilman and completely revamped the show. They brought on M not long after and the chemistry between the three turned it into literally the most watched "factual" program in the world. People around the world didn't watch it because it was a car show with an ensemble cast, they watched it because it was those three bumblers cocking about.

      The BBC is desperate to recreate that lightning strike but is also shoving their PC agenda onto the program - hard. I will be frankly stunned if they manage to hold on to 50% of their domestic audience, let alone more than a fraction of the international one.

    23. Re:Who Cares? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      How about waiting till you see what they do before passing judgement. All a prejudgement indicates is a lack of imagination. Top Gear is going to be different from what it was before. All three of these persenters have been entertaining in the past in different situations. It's entirely unknown how they will work here, together, in the new format.

      And don't forget that an awful lot of the success of Top Gear was the producers and the writers. Presenters are not even half of what makes for a good or a bad show.

    24. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Queue Friends theme song.

    25. Re:Who Cares? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      All we want to know is when it will hit Prime

      You know what I don't get? I don't get why Amazon's videos are limited in distribution to US and UK.

      I get why Prime Video is US only - most of the content Amazon has to license and those licenses are geo-blocked. But considering Amazon is producing the show, they own the content and thus the worldwide distribution rights. But Amazon doesn't make it available. Even as a dim perk for those with Prime.

      That would be like Netflix geo-restricting the content they produce... (which they don't - all the Netflix-produced content is available everywhere there's Netflix - because Netflix made it, they own the distribution rights and they gave themselves exclusive worldwide distribution rights).

      Sure, Amazon will have barely any content for other countries, but there's no way to see Amazon content without downloading it.

    26. Re: Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some minor problems with your version of top gear history.
      Clarkson left old format top gear in 98. Old format Top Gear continued until 2001 when the BBC pulled the show for review/cancellation. Fifth Gear launched in 2002, and while several ex top gear staff were involved, the show was created by Richard Pearson with no Clarkson involvement. Clarkson was off making several private car related productions, including some involving former top gear presenters. Later in 2002, after the first series of fifth gear, the BBC launched the new Andy and Jeremy created version of Top Gear.

      So while it was true that old format top gear had it's highest ratings before Clarkson and Wilson left, it's rating sagged a lot before it was retired by the BBC. Critis complained about the tired old format. Fifth gear was developed after the BBC had already pulled top gear. Top Gear was revived in response.

    27. Re: Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another problem, James May wasn't a presenter in the first season of new format top gear

    28. Re:Who Cares? by Kagato · · Score: 1

      I think LaBlanc will come off better on the show than Evans. LaBlanc seems like an actual car guy and he's got no problem with having his ego take a back seat for some self deprecating humor.

    29. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Cue", not "Queue"

    30. Re:Who Cares? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Downton Abbey was ITV.

      Well, given that I have never watched it and hopefully never will, there's no reason for me to know that. It comes through Masterpiece here, and most of the British programming on that is from the BBC.

      If that show is on ITV then that's all the more reason to keep Top Gear going.

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    31. Re:Who Cares? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      The show was on for 24 years before Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond, and James May joined the show. It will go on without them.

    32. Re:Who Cares? by Altus · · Score: 1

      the real question is, who goes on a crazy trip, or is part of a crazy race. If the presenters aren't regular they won't gel together in the ways that made the holy triumvirate work, they had a certain chemistry, developed over time by doing these crazy trips and challenges and races. If the new crew isn't given the same opportunity then those segments will fall flat and in a lot of ways those are the segments that made top gear successful. Sure, everyone liked the car segments and the start in a reasonably priced car, but lets be honest, most people were tuning in for the big crazy trips and to watch Hammond struggle to find food in a foreign culture or watch Clarkson fail to ride a scooter.

      I'm worried they wont recapture that... I believe it could be done with a new group but you need the right presenters and you need consistency so they can develop a real group dynamic.

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    33. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Downton Abbey is not BBC - it is ITV, the commercial rival

    34. Re:Who Cares? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I am willing to try watching it, because it can still be a good show even if it's not as good, or different, or whatever. But they had better options out there, and gave them a miss.

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    35. Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sabine Schmidt is a real good choice, the rest of them are completely stupid and seem to be aimed at destroying the show ASAP

    36. Re: Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No exaggerating to hide you envy or hate?

      1 event means that all he has ever done?

      I loved Jeremy for not apologizing to the whiners and the pc cowards fuck them they can grow up or suffer.

    37. Re:Who Cares? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How about waiting till you see what they do before passing judgement.

      Actually, I just noticed that they actually did pick up Chris Harris, so maybe adding in more hosts will be a way for them to get enough personality into the show. I haven't been paying much attention since the crappy first trailer. I'm not that impressed with the new one either, though.

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    38. Re:Who Cares? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's one thing to be entertaining in a segment. It's another thing to present the whole show... repeatedly over the season/series... and remain as entertaining.

      This is my concern as well. Sabine Schmidt is definitely a fantastic driver, and that was never at issue. It's whether she can be continually engaging on an English-language "car show" that is at issue.

      Joey from Friends... not only is he completely out of place, but is there anyone from that pantheon who is *not* totally insipid?

      It's hard to tell, because I've only ever seen any of them in completely insipid roles. Typecasting, I guess. Once you've been in Friends, everyone wants you to be cute and cuddly and nonthreatening forever.

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  13. TG short for Top Gear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GT short for Grand Tour

  14. Amazon's coup - aye? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The original show was all about big personalities and reality-star like hi-jinx. How the BBC lost sight of that is beyond me.

    The Grand Tour is as good a name as any; at least they didn't call it the Grand Caravan. eep. I expect to see a smattering of cars I cannot afford but I will be more intrigued by what happens next. Though, I'm not sure I will get to see an episode until the reruns start airing outside the Amazonian biome. Here's to longevity to the series! None of the personalities involved could possibly get their show cancelled again, right?

    1. Re:Amazon's coup - aye? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      The original show was all about big personalities and reality-star like hi-jinx. How the BBC lost sight of that is beyond me.

      No, the original show, which started in 1977 and ran for nearly 25 years, was about cars. Then it got a reboot and slowly became an ever more exclusionary sketch show buoyed up by its ever more rabid and sycophantic fans.

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    2. Re:Amazon's coup - aye? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "No, the original show, which started in 1977 and ran for nearly 25 years, was about cars. Then it got a reboot ."

      Conveniently leaves off the fact that the original show was basically canned by the BBC due to small viewer numbers. At the time, most of the hosts went off to another network and basically continued the spirit of the show under the new name of Fifth Gear (Because the BBC wouldn't sell the trademark for Top Gear). That show has been living on the edge of cancellation for years.

      Top Gear was "rebooted" after significant investment and risk taken by Jeremy and Andy, and turned it into a program that was interesting to a much wider audience than car fanatics and people looking to buy. Over time Fifth Gear borrowed many aspects of the new format, probably one of the reasons it survived so long.

      You can blame the BBC for the increasingly heavily scripted nature of new Top Gear towards the end. Everything required multiple levels of approvals and the soul of the show was sucked out by increasingly silly PC concerns, because of a few loud, seemingly professionally offended, commentators hyperventilating at the smallest details. Lord knows the BBC was happy to accept the increased revenue from the notoriety as long as Jeremy was there to take the blame.

      Effectively PC concerns were a factor in shooting the golden goose. I hope these people remember this when their favourite shows are cancelled now the Top Gear income isn't there to fund them any more.

    3. Re:Amazon's coup - aye? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assault will get you fired from almost any job.

      What's PC about that?

    4. Re:Amazon's coup - aye? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

      And your comment conveniently leaves off the fact that Clarkson physically assaulted a co-worker. How would you like it if you went to work every day under the threat of physical assault?

      Oh, your like of Top Gear is more IMPORTANT than someone getting punched whilst going about their job?

      Clarkson is an asshole and may be a racist asshole as well, but he would probably be there still if he didn't throw punches at producers.

    5. Re:Amazon's coup - aye? by barc0001 · · Score: 2

      > ever more exclusionary sketch show buoyed up by its ever more rabid and sycophantic fans

      http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/11/media/top-gear-facts-jeremy-clarkson/
      " Top Gear plays in 214 territories worldwide and has an estimated global audience of 350 million."

      "exclusionary", 'sycophantic". Those words probably don't mean what you think they mean. vieweship of 5% of the world's population across hundreds of countries and cultures is hardly "exclusionary". But hey, keep telling yourself that.

    6. Re: Amazon's coup - aye? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you think Clarkson was fired soley over the altercation, you are hopelessly naive.

      There had been pressure building to get him fired for quite some time before that, or did we forget he was on a "final warning" for mumbling a word in a nursery rhyme that was an outake that never aired.

      It is likely that this pressure plus increased interference from the BBC plus marriage and multiple health issues were all factors in the lead up to the altercation. There's a reason the BBC won't release the findings from the report, and I think it's due to failures to support Clarkson when behaviour leading up to the altercation clearly signalled a potential breakdown was imminent.

    7. Re:Amazon's coup - aye? by KGIII · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As an actual automotive aficionado, with a fair collection of automobiles, I will say that I was quite fond of the show but only binge watched it. I'd do the entire season at once (once that became an option). I enjoyed the presenters. I also enjoyed the older version - I seem to recall it was from the 70s or 80s. That was a bit more technical and I preferred that information density but I admit that I enjoyed the antics of the newer show more.

      Which is saying something - I'm not a television watcher. I've never really been big on it so I never got into the shows very much. I'm sure I missed many seasons. I did notice that they put the presenters under a great deal of stress. I'm not surprised that one lashed out and hit someone - I do not condone it, but I understand.

      I have seen bits and pieces of an American version and it wasn't as bad as I'd expected. I understand there's a German version. And, for the record, as near as I know - I did not beat Jeremy's time when I went and played at the Nurburgring. Well, I certainly beat his van time. But, IIRC, he had an excellent (near record for the vehicle) Jag time. Even though I rented a few exotics, I'm reasonably sure that I did not beat his time.

      As an aside, going and taking in-class and then in-seat lessons before renting and driving the ring was excellent. It's really not a tough track - it's just hard to memorize and there's a bit of variation depending on your line. Well, to be fair, there's more than one track. None are terribly difficult and I imagine just getting in there to practice for a few weeks would get someone up to speed - even if they'd never driven on-track in their lives. The crazy ones are the ones on motorcycles.

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    8. Re: Amazon's coup - aye? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Oh look...its the American who possesses a passport again. So you could manage to stump up an airfare and then some car rental ? Good for you boy !

      You really are a precious little snowflake, aren't you ?

      My Porsche flew around the 'Ring. Of course, you were still saving up for your Fiero then.

    9. Re: Amazon's coup - aye? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tears from the politically correct never stop running Jeremy at least has balls who the fuck wants to watch cowards on tv it is filled with the pc whiners.

    10. Re: Amazon's coup - aye? by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I suspect you haven't got a Porsche.

      Wanna know a secret?

      I do. (Some effort will show it to you on YouTube. But, you get to work for it.)

      But you get an A for effort. I'll give you a chance to redeem yourself.

      A *what* Porsche?
      What year did you do it in?
      What line did you take when heading into Adenauer Forst - assuming you were really in a Porsche (you know, a bit of a blind chicane on the Nordschleife) and what gear where did you enter in for your PB? (Hint: I've driven a Porsche at Nurburgring - technically two of them. I'll know if you're lying.)

      And for bonus points... Name the defining features of said chicane.

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    11. Re: Amazon's coup - aye? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you convieniently ignore the fact that he wasn't fired, his contract wasn't reviewed. And if his behaviour was such a problem, and the sole reason, why has he been allowed to work on other BBC programs?

    12. Re: Amazon's coup - aye? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      He was fired, and the mechanism through which that happened was his contract not being renewed. There are many ways to fire someone, this is one of them. This is not some secret information - it has been available for quite some time now.

  15. Can they be sent to Argentina and left there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please?
    Please?

    1. Re:Can they be sent to Argentina and left there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes !

  16. Was Racist McRacistyface taken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope Jeremy Clarkson is killed by a boy racer.
    In front of his family (sic).

    1. Re: Was Racist McRacistyface taken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you haven't already I'd recommend searching for Stewart Lee talking about Top Gear banter...

  17. Frank by Tim+Locke · · Score: 2

    They should have called it Frank. Then at the end of each review they could say, "To be frank...", and give their synopsis.

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  18. Re: Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Clarkson has America's respect from punching that walking piece of shit which calls itself Piers Morgan. We wish him all the best, and if he manages to sneak in another knuckle sandwich, I'll even personally nominate him for honorary citizenship.

  19. Re:Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not to get in the way of your anti-US rant, but ... as *if* Top Gear was ever about the cars ... *that's funny*

    Bashing the yanks like this just isn't on, old boy. There's so many other things you can legitimately bash them for because, well, they're human (like everyone else). The thing is, they really do know their shit about cars, they just have a different style over here - witness the Top Gear episode where all three of "the boys" enjoyed the road trip across the US in their muscle cars.

    Source: Am Brit.

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  20. He's harmless by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Considering Clarkson's record on international diplomacy and pissing off the natives, is a world tour really a good idea?

    He only pisses off the natives that were already pissed off before he got there. Particularly those who lack any sort of sense of humor, perspective or ability to laugh at themselves.

    1. Re:He's harmless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're talking about Alabama right now, aren't we?

    2. Re:He's harmless by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nah, he's just a troll, always looking to push the limits. Either that or he's a complete idiot or he knew that using racist slurs on TV would land him in hot water and intended to do it. It's in the Ofcom guidelines, and I would assume the BBC contract and manuals. It's his job to know that stuff.

      Are streaming services covered by Ofcom? Maybe he figures that he can get away with it now, which is a shame because it kinda screws things up for other British people going abroad.

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    3. Re:He's harmless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "he's a complete idiot or he knew that using racist slurs on TV would land him in hot water and intended to do it. It's in the Ofcom guidelines, and I would assume the BBC contract and manuals. It's his job to know that stuff."

      They got in trouble wiith Ofcom over a racial slur once. For "slope". The line between slur and slang can change based on historical context unique to each country. The same word can be slang in one country, but a slur elsewhere.

      Why does Jeremy get the blame for this? It was a scripted moment in a script approved by the BBC supervisor of Top Gear.

      Comedy based on cultural stereotypes is explicitly allowed by the BBC handbook.

    4. Re:He's harmless by EricTheO · · Score: 0

      Nah, he's just a troll, always looking to push the limits. Either that or he's a complete idiot or he knew that using racist slurs on TV would land him in hot water and intended to do it.

      Yeah just like Donald Trump.

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  21. Re:Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    At least we know which side of the road to drive on... moron. And... British cars are shitboxes. Any time I open the hood of a car and see "Lucas electrical" I run for a fire extinguisher.

  22. I was rather partial to... by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 3, Funny

    Punchy Jezza's Driving Circus

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  23. Chemistry and strong takes by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It was May and Hammond who carried it, and maybe the other new presenters will carry Evans.

    Jeremy was undeniably the star of the show but not in the usual sense. What really made the show work was the chemistry between all three of them. Jeremy was kind of a first among equals but take away May and Hammond and it just didn't work as well. That's a hard thing to replicate. Take the US version of Top Gear. All three of the hosts aren't Ferrera, Foust and Wood are all fine individually but they simply don't have the same chemistry as Clarkson, May and Hammond and the show simply isn't as good as a result.

    The other thing that made Top Gear work and I think Clarkson was the driving force behind is because they didn't pull a lot of punches. Whether you agreed with their take on something or not, they definitely HAD a take and didn't seem to hold back much. Clarkson seems to be the driving force behind that. If they thought some million dollar supercar was crap, they said so. They didn't pretend to be fair, or objective or even competent but they did seem to say what they thought. Frankly their negative reviews were usually more interesting than their positive ones. Other shows like the US Top Gear version seem to be more hesitant to give a bad review, presumably for fear of pissing off advertisers or incurring lawsuits. But without those strong takes the show just isn't as good.

    1. Re:Chemistry and strong takes by Kagato · · Score: 1

      I think that Chemistry was the outright distain they had for each other's opinions. It worked and I think it's missing in the US version of the show.

  24. Re:Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had the fun job of fixing the wiring on a Triumph Spitfire. After a few hours of asking myself "WTF?"... I ripped it all out and started from scratch. Lucas is a flaming joke.

  25. That show was all about the hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i loved that show & i dont give two shits about fancy cars.

    It was all about Clarkson, Hammond & May. Those guys have a great "3-stooges" chemistry.

    Very enjoyable to watch those 3... once you fast-forward past all the car-porn bits.

  26. Think about it by JustNiz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Grand Tour (GT). Its an obvious comeback against Top Gear (TG).

    1. Re:Think about it by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      +1 (since I don't have mod points today)

    2. Re:Think about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me... GT means Gran Turismo. The best PS game ever, and soon to have a PS4 release.

    3. Re:Think about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you are an idiot... GT is indeed Gran turismo, but it is used since the 1920s to refer to cars, not video games...

  27. Re: Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice language. Oh, that's ours too, except where you get the spelling wrong ("colour, etc.)

    And, yes. Tongue in cheek here as I understand some of you don't get sarcasm...

  28. Wide audience appeal by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Because it was popular before Clarkson et al (for 25 years, no less) and stands a decent chance of being popular again, and this time with a wider audience.

    Given how successful the show was I think your notion of it appealing to an even wider audience is wishful thinking. The audience was already incredibly wide. Even people like my sister who could not care less about cars found the show entertaining.

    The show has been on air in various incarnations since 1977 but it wasn't a breakout hit until 2002 when they found the combination of Clarkson, May and Hammond. I'm sure it will soldier on but it's going to be difficult to catch lightning in a bottle twice.

  29. Punchy McPunchFace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think they took my name suggestion seriously.

  30. Re:Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Maritz · · Score: 1

    You don't 'dumb down' Top Gear mate. It's a show for complete mongs.

    Americans can blow shit up real good, and they do well with computing, but they know shit about cars.

    For someone with a hatred of America, you don't half copy their fucking mannerisms. "blow shit up real good" and "they know shit"? lol.

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  31. Re:Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Yunzil · · Score: 1

    Right, because British cars are known for their stellar quality and reliability.

  32. Re:Before most of the idiot Americans.... by mrbester · · Score: 2

    I'll bet my underpowered shitbox is faster, more fuel efficient, lighter, more environmentally friendly, more comfortable and safer with a smaller engine than your underpowered shitbox.

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  33. Could Be Like Motorworld by Kunedog · · Score: 1

    How many times did he genuinely piss off the natives, other than in Argentina (the Alabama "attack" was clearly fake, for those who haven't figured it out yet)?

    Clarkson's Motorworld series shows he can probably pull something like this off, dropping in May and Hammond (with proven chemistry) to fill out the hour.

    1. Re:Could Be Like Motorworld by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      India.

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    2. Re:Could Be Like Motorworld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alabama was real. You have no proof otherwise. Pascal is on my side.

    3. Re:Could Be Like Motorworld by 8086 · · Score: 1

      I've watched every season of the new Top Gear and about half of the old ones and always dreamt of the day when Top Gear would come to my city in India. They did, but I wasn't there, and their coverage was overwhelmingly negative. Highly disappointing. The first shot of my city is a video of someone pissing on the street. That's like introducing NYC by showing a crackhead smoking openly on the subway.

      Jeremy being himself was highly inconsiderate with people's lunchboxes in Mumbai, but that wasn't offensive as such and those boxes were probably just props. The thing they did with the train was slightly offensive but really not that bad. The most offensive thing was James putting a Ganesha idol on the hood of his Rolls Royce instead of on the dashboard where it's supposed to go. It's really subtle but makes a huge difference because out here people consider idols to be an embodiment of the actual deity, and you would never tie somebody to the front of your car and race it unless you were trying to torture them. Poor James: he was really trying to be as PC and respectful of the culture as possible but it failed.

      As a huge fan of the trio, I don't think they're all that offensive when they intentionally make a joke about this or that culture or demographic. Their jokes (even the offensive ones) have good entertainment value and tell it like it is. They only cross the line when they do something racist or offensive inadvertently (like that car in Argentina, or the slope joke, or the n-word slip, or the Ganesha idol), and those are the instances that they need to avoid by, say, including an actual local in their production crew.

      Also, Grand Tour is a shitty name for the show. I hope they go with something else.

  34. Re:Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Us dumb Americans know better than to try and drive a $150k car at 168mph in the rain. That was one helluva spinout though, I bet he had to change his underoos after that one.

  35. The Grand "Slam" by burni2 · · Score: 0

    would be a bit more fitting for Mr. - I'm annoyed like Christian Bale on set but I don't bark, I beat - Clarkson.

  36. Re:Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll bet I can drift corner better than you in my shitbox '92 Toyota 22RE pickup, still pass Ca emissions, and still get 25mpg! I call it "Mr Toads wild ride" AKA "Texas Cadillac"

  37. I like it. Ties into cars quite neatly. by TigerPlish · · Score: 2

    A Grand Touring car is a sporty, medium to large car that can nip you from Italy to Scotland, or from Florida to Alaska, in posh, comfortable style, and where possible, much throttle-induced hooning silliness.

    Think Aston Martin, think big Ferrari like a 599 or F12 or FF.

    Do people still do the traditional Grand Tour of Europe? Used to be a 'thing' to do after high school and before college.

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  38. Re:I like it. Ties into cars quite neatly. by disposable60 · · Score: 1

    Now it's called a 'Gap Year' as what's left of the Middle Class can't really afford 'Grand' anything anymore.

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  39. Re:Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1, Troll

    The real reason the British drink warm beer is they keep it in Lucas refrigerators.

  40. I could have swore by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    I could have swore I read they were naming it 'Gear Knobs', which would have been perfect.

    1. Re:I could have swore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard that too.... they don't know what a knob is in the US....

  41. Re: Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clarkson has America's respect from punching that walking piece of shit which calls itself Piers Morgan. We wish him all the best, and if he manages to sneak in another knuckle sandwich, I'll even personally nominate him for honorary citizenship.

    This. Exactly this.

    Pretty much everything in the UK sucks these days. The weather, the political correctness, their so-called "freedom of speech" which is non-existent.

    But Clarkson deserves a medal. No, he deserves two. One for punching that cocksucker of a Piers Morgan, and one for Top Gear.

  42. Re:Before most of the idiot Americans.... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

    Yes, because if there is one thing Britain is known for, it's their superbly reliable automobiles.

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  43. Kelly's brother? by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    /s

  44. Re: Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats right. It's almost like they make the Rolls Royce of cars, or something.

  45. New levels of piracy by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    With the limited availability of Amazon Prime video this show is going to set new standards for piracy.

    ...laura

  46. Only this show could turn me into a subscriber by mfearby · · Score: 1

    I've not subscribed to any video streaming services before but this is the only show that could do it. I'm looking forward to it.

  47. Top Gear Twits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Grand Tour

    TGT

    Top Gear Twits

  48. Why not Showy McShowface? by rosshalz · · Score: 1

    This name pattern just works.

  49. Re:Before most of the idiot Americans.... by Xest · · Score: 1

    Britain doesn't really have many of it's own cars anymore though, everything now is owned abroad and that's affected the direction.

    Actually British cars are renowned for their quality and reliability, like original Land Rovers, but the name has been tarnished now by Land Rovers made with a focus less on quality and reliability, and more on profits and mass-sales to demographics who don't need the reliability but just want a big car because they're too fearful of their inability to drive well and hence high likelihood of crashing to drive anything normal. The net result is that yes, the quality and reliability of these historically British brands has suffered, but they're also not really British anymore. The reliability drop of these ones great brands coincidences precisely with foreign ownership and change of direction - it's a double edged sword, because following down the original path wasn't massively profitable, so in some ways these take overs saved the brands, but in going more mass-market yes, it absolutely killed some of the things the brands were famous for. Effectively British stubborness to maintain high quality and reliability rather than giving the markets what they wanted - low quality, cheap fluff, is what risked sending those brands bankrupt

    What's left as genuinely British are things like Lotus, Aston Martin, and McClaren where quality is about as high as it gets, though reliability always suffers with high end cars when compared to your typical family car because high end cars push the limits of engineering far more, but they compare very well though to other cars in their class. It's no coincidence that the brands that manage to maintain the historical British reputation for quality are the ones that sell at a premium whilst the cost impact that had was what risked sending the lower end brands out of business.

    Perhaps the country with the most undeserved reputation for quality and reliability is Germany, German engineering is a complete joke when brands like Audi, BMW, and German owned brands like Bentley fair so poorly on reliability indexes. Japan is about the only country that seems able to do a good job of fairly consistently maintaining decent quality and reliability nowadays for what it's worth. Long story short, British reputation for reliability/stability was effectively priced out of the global market and they were left with a choice - decrease quality to increase profits as the likes of BMW have done, or go bust. They got taken over by foreign owners who weren't hamstrung by the sense of British manufacturing pride that previously made them stubbornly refuse to make that change and so were in fact forced to make that change leaving them where they are now.

    Everything that is still wholly British does have high quality and good reliability though, but can only do so because it's retreated to the market where paying the premium for higher quality isn't a problem for the buyers in question.

  50. It has Clarkson in it - I won't watch. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    The arsehole is an arsehole, and I won't pay on penny to support the arsehole.

    I wouldn't even pay to watch him being gang-banged in a jail then flayed alive. (Though I might pirate the video.)

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  51. Wrong website by JohnStock · · Score: 1

    Why is an article about a bellend who does car shows on /. ?