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Microsoft Auto-Scheduling Windows 10 Updates (tomshardware.com)

Pikoro quotes this report from Tom's Hardware: Windows 10 has been with us for a little over eight months now, which means there are only about four months remaining to get a free upgrade from an older Windows operating system. As the clock counts down, Microsoft has begun to auto-schedule PCs to upgrade to Windows 10 with or without consent from end users.

Now, as we near the end of the free upgrade period, Microsoft's malware-like upgrade system is becoming even more intrusive by autoscheduling upgrades to Windows 10. I noticed that the Windows 10 upgrade reminder pop-up on a Windows 7 PC was no longer asking me to upgrade; instead, it's now informing me that it has already scheduled an update for May 17.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Marine Corps has discovered half their computers unexpectedly can't remotely upgrade to Windows 10, slowing their transition to what they expect to be a much more secure operating system.

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  1. fucktards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

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  2. "Auto-scheduling..." by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

    In that case, my laptop (for convenience, the only device of mine running Windows) is now auto-scheduled for a Linux installation this year...

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    1. Re:"Auto-scheduling..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      So you decided to go for speed and security over invasion and lack of security?
      Can't say I blame you.
      I've helped lots of people load GRC's Never10, but Linux is even better.

    2. Re:"Auto-scheduling..." by xeoron · · Score: 4, Informative

      Two things to do: 1) Turn off auto-updates 2) Disable the upgrade with GRC's Never10

    3. Re:"Auto-scheduling..." by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That won't fix the "my programming experience on Windows is shitty" problem, though.

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    4. Re:"Auto-scheduling..." by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, it's worth pointing out, since the summary failed to do so, that all they've really done here appears to be classifying Windows 10 as a recommended update. That will mean anyone whose system is set to auto-install recommended updates will indeed get it. However, you can still cancel (or reschedule, if you prefer) when you get the prompt, and in any case if you don't have Windows Update set to auto-install things then this doesn't seem to make any difference to you.

      In other words, the people who are going to get stung by this are the ones who have auto-updates on anyway. Since that's one of the major reasons not to move to Windows 10 if you're not happy to accept whatever Microsoft decides you should have, the people who feel that way probably won't have auto-install turned on for earlier Windows versions anyway and should be OK here.

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  3. What a coincidence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have scheduled a migration to Linux Mint on the exact same date!

    Well, jolly.

  4. Re:Dear Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    And a lot of complaints as those XP / Vista machines struggle to boot due to lack of drivers.

  5. Confirmed by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Confirmed.

    Yes, this happened to my instance of Win 7 on my laptop just a few days ago. I *never* gave permission for a Win 10 upgrade and *specifically* deselected the stealth updates....and fucking Microsoft went ahead and "upgraded" it to Win 10 anyway.

    But it gets worse.

    Upon booting I'm presented with a Login screen that insists on a password. This machine never had a password on it, but now it does and I have no idea what it is. I cannot get in to my own PC now. Apparently I need some sort of Windows Live account or some other password, but I honestly have no idea. I am locked out of that entire partition.

    My files are there, but I can't get to them. I can't login and so I'm literally locked out of my own PC thanks to the Win 10 forced upgrade.

    Fortunately, I installed Linux Mint on it a while ago, and so that's what Ill be using on it from now on I guess. I can boot into that partition at least.

    Thanks Microsoft, you shit-eating pukebags.

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    1. Re:Confirmed by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Upon booting I'm presented with a Login screen that insists on a password. This machine never had a password on it, but now it does and I have no idea what it is. I cannot get in to my own PC now.

      Something is wrong with this story, because the above makes no sense.

      More likely you have an infected computer or someone else played with it or you don't know what you're doing.

      Windows 7/8 upgrades to 10 don't change or insert passwords.

    2. Re:Confirmed by David_Hart · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try this:

      http://www.chntpw.com/reset-fo...

      Make sure to rename the files back to normal after you get back in to your system.

  6. Re:FUCKING LIARS EVERYWHERE by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Informative

    You would be at least a bit more trusted if you didn't post as "Anonymous Coward".

    And the number of reported cases of "auto-install" is too high to dismiss.

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  7. Nuked my local game store's POS software by danielbeaver · · Score: 5, Informative

    My local game store's Point Of Sale laptop started updating to Windows 10 on it's own in the middle of the work day. It was during an MTG release/tournament day, so he had tons of sales that he was frantically trying to keep track of in a makeshift ledger book. And then, of course, his POS software wasn't working once Windows 10 finished installing - it was an older software package, I'm not sure exactly which. He ended up buying a newer edition, and transferring is sales database to that, but only after staying up late trying to troubleshoot his old software. What did this Windows users gain from this experience? A lot of stress, missed sales, flat icons for his UI. Thanks, Microsoft.

    1. Re:Nuked my local game store's POS software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's like blaming a guy for receiving a box of poop in the mail because he didn't tell the mailman once a week "Please do not mail poop to me."

    2. Re:Nuked my local game store's POS software by maugle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can you imagine if this attitude was taken by any other company?

      "Keurig agents have been sneaking into people's houses and replacing their Keurig coffeemakers with the new, fancy Keurig 10.0. However, the Keurig 10.0 is incompatible with all old 3rd party k-cups. To avoid being 'upgraded', you should leave a sign saying 'do not steal and replace' by your coffeemaker, but the Keurig agents will remove the sign sometimes so you need to make sure to keep replacing the sign if it disappears overnight. Reports have also surfaced of the Keurig agents occasionally ignoring the sign altogether, so some people recommend having someone in the house stay awake by the Keurig at all times to decline the upgrade."

      "Tesla owners are facing a forced upgrade to the Tesla Model FU, which now runs on diesel. Tesla officials say that, to decline the upgrade, simply park your car facing towards Redmond when the upgrade agents come by to check. The upgrade agents can come by to check at any time, including when you're in the middle of driving."

      I could go on, but do you get my point? People should not be required to be actively vigilant about keeping their equipment from suddenly having massive (and potentially ruinous) changes forced on them.

    3. Re:Nuked my local game store's POS software by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let me guess...

      Windows Home edition, everything on "automatic", and no ongoing maintenance was being done to keep it current outside of business hours.

      It shouldn't matter.

      Microsoft, and in turn most IT professionals, have spent the better part of 20 years encouraging everyone to keep Windows Update turned on. This is how you keep your system secure, guard against exploits and vulnerabilities, and receive bug fixes. It's generally a good thing. Never in all that time did enabling automatic updates, even "everything," run the risk of installing an entirely new fucking operating system without the user asking for it. There's no reason why a machine running any version of Windows, set to automatically install all categories of updates, should ever install an entirely new fucking operating system without the user asking for it. It's behavior that is entirely unexpected and contrary to how Windows Update has worked since its inception.

      Microsoft has really gone beyond the pale with this one, as now people are routinely disabling Windows Update, refusing any update that prompts to install, etc. as they're afraid of a Windows 10 installation that they do not want sneaking in. This entire disaster of a product launch has moved security backwards.

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  8. Wrong info shown by ITRambo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Windows 10 was released almost ten months ago, not eight. Fortunately that leaves just under two and one half months, not four, until the anniversary update after which strong arm upgrade tactics should stop.

    1. Re:Wrong info shown by sir-gold · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think this article was actually written 2 months ago

  9. "Malware-like upgrade system" by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...Microsoft's malware-like upgrade system..."

    This isn't "malware-like", this IS malware.

    Win 10 takes control of your PC from you, collects all sorts of data on you and from you and sends it back to who god where. You cannot stop it and it can "upgrade" or alter itself at will whenever it wants without your permission (and sometimes explicitly against your permission).

    If that isn't "malware", I don't know the meaning of the word.

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  10. Re:Dear Microsoft by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Informative

    And a lot of complaints as those XP / Vista machines struggle to boot due to lack of drivers.

    That would true for Windows XP-certified computers, but not for Windows Vista-certified computers. I rebuilt my computer nine years ago for Windows Vista. I had no problems upgrading to Windows 7/8/8.1/10. For older devices that don't have a Windows 10 driver, I manually install the Windows Vista driver to get them working again.

  11. Re:FUCKING LIARS EVERYWHERE by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not posting AC but you still do no know who I am. I find nothing disagreeable with his statement and certainly posting Anonymous Coward doesn't automagically invalidate anything being said. I just built two windows 10 workstations to test comparability with some specific software and put libre office on one of them. A higher up making a lot more money than I decided he needed an office suite and did the same. Turns out he cannot be assed to look at the domain name and went to some site that looked like a child created it with the .in or some extension like that instead of .org. He put icons on his desktop for the applications but installed a crapton of spyware in the process and one of them actually popped up a message saying microsoft support, clink on the link to resolve this application issue. It then gave him a phone number to call which he did and they wanted a credit card. He will not admit to giving a credit card number but I found out when he asked my why I liked libre office when it doesn't run right and wants you to pay more than the site license of MS office we had.

    Of course this same moron had some say in the two programs I am trying to find a work around for because they do not work the same from windows 7 to windows 10 and there seems to be no easy way to pull data to another program. To be fair, it was a legacy ordeal patched into win7 from XP. But in my experience, this is not unusual for the types of people who seem to get paid the most in IT. They are better bullshitters than techs and it puts used car salesmen in good standing in some cases.

  12. Re: Expectations? by hackwrench · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually I find it unlikely that the military wants Cortana.

  13. Turn off "GWX" by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 5, Informative

    For folks who aren't terribly computer savvy (So.. theoretically not Slashdot)

    Go get "Never 10" freeware from GRC... it uses the officially Microsoft sanctioned means of permanently disabling the whole "Get Windows 10" stuff

    https://www.grc.com/never10.ht...

    This is a good option for "mom support"

    For those willing to muck about in the registry:

    Open Regedit, navigate to the following key.

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate

    Important: If that key doesn't exist, you'll need to create it.

    Create a DWORD value called DisableOSUpgrade and set it to 1

    There's also a good quick and dirty:
    http://www.windowsmechanic.com...

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  14. Don't want Windows 10? by NormAtHome · · Score: 5, Informative

    GWX control panel http://ultimateoutsider.com/do... it'll remove the Windows 10 upgrade app and prevent an automatic upgrade.

  15. Re:Time to sue by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The UK. Everyone has the right to legal redress, including the Small Claims Court, and you can't give that up no matter what you sign.

    This was the case in the UK before it joined the EU, but the EU has also adopted the principal so all EU countries are the same.

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