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State Dept. IT Staff Told To Keep Quiet About Clinton's Server (computerworld.com)
dcblogs writes this report from Computerworld: Former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's decision to use a private email server ran afoul of the government's IT security and record retention requirements, according to a report by the department's inspector general released today. This use of a private email server did not go unnoticed within the Department of State's IT department. Two IT staff members who raised concerns about Clinton's use of a private server were told not to speak of it. Clinton was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013 and during that period she used a private email server in her New York home. This report by the Department of State's Inspector General about Clinton's use of a private server makes clear that rules and regulations were not followed. It says that Clinton would not have received approval for this server had she sought it. According to the current CIO, the report said, "Secretary Clinton had an obligation to discuss using her personal email account to conduct official business with their offices, who in turn would have attempted to provide her with approved and secured means that met her business needs." However, the report notes, according to these officials, The Bureau of Diplomatic Security and IRM (Bureau of Information Resource Management) "did not -- and would not -- approve her exclusive reliance on a personal email account to conduct Department business, because of the restrictions in the FAM [Foreign Affairs Manual] and the security risks in doing so."
This was a clear example of security through obscurity. The server was behind a NAT protected by a Huawei router. What could go wrong?
If nothing on Hillary's server was classified it should be released without redaction for full review and inspection by any party. That has not happened, and it won't happen. FOI requests regarding information on her server are denied almost as soon as they are filed.
There is no "truth" left in Government. The only option they have is to silence critics. Oh, and more circuses.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Rules and laws are for little people. Not for anyone named Clinton.
One of the many things that points to how "Rules-for-thee, Not-for-me" this still is:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
Specifically: "In recent media interviews, Lazar claimed he had easily hacked into Clinton’s controversial private email server. But the Justice Department statement did not confirm this claim, and a law enforcement official said investigators did not find evidence to support the claim."
They're trying to pass this off as nothing bad happened, so it's no big deal. Except she wiped the server before turning it over - OF COURSE they aren't going to find evidence of hacking now, after the evidence has been destroyed.
Never mind 30 years of scandals, this email server thing shows exactly how she thinks. The law only applies to the little people, not her. What she did may have been marginally legal, but if you or I had done this we'd be sitting in jail.
The 9 biggest revelations in the State IG report on Clinton's emails
It has been reported that the FBI was able to recover the deleted emails... and presumably they recovered more than just the giant binary file which contained the email store, so a more in-depth look at if the server had ever been compromised is probably possible, but we aren't going to know for sure until the FBI talks a bit more publicly.
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Sorry for the repeated politico.com links. No affiliation, but I've reading my political news there lately. If you want to preserve your sanity, don't read the comments at that site.
The depressing part of all of this is that it is obvious she is guilty, but it really doesn't matter. The politically powerful, whether the Goldman Sachs or the Clintons, will always be able to get away with whatever they want. Meanwhile our prison population is overflowing with "little people" who lack the political connections necessary to be free of the ire of the Federal government. Host an illegal mail server that is easily hacked. No big deal. Actually blow the whistle on Federal crimes and corruption. To prison with you!
So she hired someone too inept to delete stuff PROPERLY. This is a bad omen.
I'm a total lefty, but Kerry, Albright, Rice, and Powell weren't running their own insecure servers which were hacked at least once that we know of. And none of those Secretaries of State claimed that they had done everything right in setting up such a server, and that it had been approved by the department, which the department subsequently denied.
Hillary Clinton either lied about this, or she was lied to by her staff. That the government has granted immunity to the staffer who set up the mail server leads me to believe that they've got her cold if she tries to claim she had no idea. I've been in IT for 25 years, and I've always protected myself by making my recommendations or warnings in writing to prevent just this sort of shifting of blame.
The Salon article today suggested that she just didn't follow State Department procedure, without ever mentioning that the department never sanctioned her server, or that her server had been hacked as a result of poor security. The article implies that other Secretaries did it too, so that makes it acceptable. Just absurd.
Slight correction to your post, from the article you linked: "But officials told Bloomberg that the FBI had managed to salvage some of the emails deleted by her staff, raising the prospect that Clinton's correspondence could eventually become public." SOME of the emails - no assurance that it was all of them. Other reports continue to turn up work-related emails in the wild from her server that were never turned over.
You were reading Salon... that's your first mistake.
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Why arent we talking about a systematic audit of the politicians who are also using exceptions to the government security standard? If you dont have records, fine, audit them all. There are commercial software packages that will do this for you.
"Everyone" was not using their political office to use the subterfuge of giving speeches to foreign government and multi-nationals to enrich themselves personally in their non-profit foundation.
Most of the press and public are not seeing the huge Clinton Corruption Campaign they conducted using Hillary's private email server. But the DOJ and others are now going through those emails with a fine toothed comb.
Hillary may not get jail for a personal server, but she may get jail time for selling out the US with "special favors" in her decisions for foreign entitities from which she received "donations" in the form of both speech fees and contributions to the Clinton foundation.
It is truly mind boggling that she & Bill thought they could get away with this.
Someone else who values Fortran and PJL!
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I'm a total lefty, but Kerry, Albright, Rice, and Powell weren't running their own insecure servers which were hacked at least once that we know of.
We know she was hacked? That's surprising because I've been paying attention and I don't know she was hacked.
Then you are a self-deluded shill trying to appear balanced, but you are really, really, really bad at it. Your further statements prove you have absolutely no understanding, whatsoever, how real things work in the real world. You hear what you want to hear in your basement. Good luck with that.
Even for people who can't stand Trump, he would be an excellent choice for president over Hillary Clinton.
If Trump were elected, the creep of Executive Privilege which has become a real problem in the balance of powers would immediately have it's wings clipped. There aren't gonna be a lot of arbitrary executive orders tolerated from a Trump Administration.
I don't think Trump would be elected for a second term. I don't even think he would want to be re-elected. He could be the 21th century version of James K. Polk, who settled a LOT of issues in the mid 19th Century and didn't seek re-election.
(don't wear a James K. Polk t-shirt on your visit to Mexico)
I think a Trump administration might cause the left to re-think the whole "Every issue great and small should be decided in Washington DC" thing, and seriously support genuine Federalism.
For possible positives of a Trump administration... that's about all I can think of.
Hillary is more Fascist than Trump. Fascism and Nazism were considered by nearly everyone on the left to be left wing before WWII. It was only after the massive war crimes that the left deftly relabeled them as right wing, and it apparently stuck. I know that most of you aren't old enough to remember that, but by God you could learn a little history!
One of the many things that points to how "Rules-for-thee, Not-for-me" this still is:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
Specifically: "In recent media interviews, Lazar claimed he had easily hacked into Clinton’s controversial private email server. But the Justice Department statement did not confirm this claim, and a law enforcement official said investigators did not find evidence to support the claim."
They're trying to pass this off as nothing bad happened, so it's no big deal. Except she wiped the server before turning it over - OF COURSE they aren't going to find evidence of hacking now, after the evidence has been destroyed.
So you think the guy who got famous by bragging about the "hacks" he did (really just logging into email by guessing the answers to security questions) was able to hack into Clinton's server. A completely different skillset.
And then after hacking into this server he found the email of Hillary Clinton, the acting US Secretary of State, by far the biggest target he'd ever hacked, and having found his biggest scoop yet.... he didn't bother to tell anyone because he thought it wasn't interesting.
OF COURSE he didn't hack Clinton's email.
I'm not saying no one hacked in, it's a definite possibility, but Guccifer's story is obvious BS.
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Seriously, how much does being a Clinton shill pay? I'm looking for a side gig.
Intent is not required, only gross negligence.
Damages are not required, simply allowing the classified info to end up in an unapproved place is.
Ever stop to read & consider just one of the relevant?
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They's gonna be a buncha nervous IT guys in the gov if the Hillary wins. Paraphrasing Tony Soprano, revenge is like serving cold cuts.
There's nothing inherently "left" or "right" about fascism, especially not within the US today, where both sides are firmly committed to it's ideals (the control of both industry and government by the same select group)
More to the point, Hitler isn't regarded as a monster because he was fascist. He's regarded as a monster because he was a democratically elected leader who built a power base on racism and twisted nationalism, and then used that power to commit some of the worst atrocities ever seen in the "civilized" world against his chosen scapegoats.
THOSE are the parallels I fear with Trump - his understated demonization of Muslims, Mexicans, Chinese, etc. as scapegoats, and the open bigotry and violence he's already inspiring just by running for office.
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Not only do we know Hillary has broken federal laws, Hillary has also started at least one war entirely on her own (Libya), and frankly in what should matter to at least Slashdot people is directly responsible for the death of an IT worker who just happened to be at the U.S. embassy in Libya when it was attacked. But I guess you don't care about him, do you? You just want Hillary to be elected, no matter the costs to the rest of us...
Meanwhile Trump has broken no federal laws, and has never started a war of any kind, and actually knows how to use things like Twitter. Do you want an imbecile technophobe who cannot even drive as president, or someone who actually knows what computers are and uses them?
Obviously if Sanders was running he would be the best choice but Queen Hillary is not going to let that happen, now is she? Her ability to block the will of the DNC primary voters is to you I am sure just another sign of how much she should be president, because female!
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I'm not Hillary fan, but:
Didn't our last President use private email services, even though he was required to only use government services for official email?
How come so many people criticizing HRC aren't also mad at GWB for his using non-government servers?
After all, he deleted official Presidential emails on government servers despite the law to retain them...and he supposedly had the backups deleted too.
Why aren't these same people criticizing him? Or is that too long ago, or was he the wrong party to criticize?
Why, was Hillary's email password so super-duper complex he couldn't have guessed it? What, you think Hillary 'wipe - you mean like with a towel' Clinton, the woman Aides described as 'easily confused' came up with a password that included both upper and lower case letters, one or more digits and a punctuation mark? I bet it was something like 'Iluvhuma', 'pantsuits' or 'chelsea' - maybe even 'hillary2016'...
Respectfully, Fascism is a *collectivist* ideology. It has far more in common with communism, socialism, and progressivism than it does with a fundamentally individualist ideology like true "classical" liberalism.
I always suggest that people who try to deny this watch Triumph of the Will. It helps explain how the Nazis *saw themselves*. They were absolutely a progressive, collectivist ideology.
The policies state that the person is to leave copies of all work-related emails at the time they leave duty if using a personal/outside email system. Hillary's spokesman has maintained that if regular forwarding or CC'ing is done, then the State Department will have a copy. The "rule" didn't state the format of the copies, only that it had to be done. It seems that technically, the CC/forwarding process would comply.
Because the internal email system hiccuped, they allegedly couldn't verify if this was actually done properly.
I've never seen a clear statement on why cc/forwarding wouldn't comply. Anybody?
Table-ized A.I.
you think Hillary 'wipe - you mean like with a towel' Clinton
Is this supposed to be some kind of Trump-inspired misogynist insult?
What? He's QUOTING HER. A reporter asked her if she wiped the server before allowing the FBI to see it. And she said, "What, like with a towel?"
I know, you already know that, and you're hoping that other people don't so you can pretend otherwise. Just another Shillary, trying to distract from her own words.
If you have to choose between SJW's and Nazis,
The scary part is that the Nazis really believed that they *were* social justice warriors.
Something I have not seen is what was the top level domain on Hillary's e-mail address she was using?
Was is something official like: Hillary@state.gov (or secretary.of.state@state.gov)
Or was it unofficial like: Hillary@clinton.org (or secretary.of.state@clinton.org)
If she was using the official e-mail address, then someone in the administration of the top level domain .gov (or state.gov) would have had to be involved in redirecting the e-mail to the Clinton's private server.
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God I love left wing projection, it must be nice being able to blame all of your problems on the other side without a moment of self reflection or awareness.
A lie requires me to know that what I am saying is false... care to support that claim?
No? You lament a lack of facts from me (despite me highlighting just one law she can be convicted under)... but offer nothing yourself... this is my shocked face: :|
If you bothered to pay attention to the available facts and use your brain (I'm sure you have one, it's just atrophied a bit from lack of use), allow me to educate you:
1) True or false: Hillary is known to have had at least one spy satellite photo on her server which should have been labeled "TOP SECRET//SI//TK//NOFORN", a image which did not originate with the State Department so the original classification would apply.
2) True or false: Hillary's private email server was authorized by the State Department or another federal agency to store classified information.
3) True or false: Hillary is known to have been briefed on her requirements to properly handle classified information and signed a document confirming her acceptance of policies, including criminal penalties for violations.
Answer Key:
1) True: http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...
2) False: https://www.washingtonpost.com...
3) True: http://freebeacon.com/politics...
Given the law I cited above doesn't require 'malice' or 'intent', but simply 'gross negligence', it's not at all a stretch to suggest that Hillary was negligent with the setting up of her server that any reasonable person would expect would see classified information traverse it... and given the fact the server was not a 'proper place of custody'... per instance of classified information on her server, she could be looking at a penalty of "Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."
How much does being a Hillary shill pay? I'm looking for a side job, and unlike you morons, I actually have a grasp of facts.
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Part of it was wealth, but a bigger part was fame. A problem most people have in court is that the first interaction any of the jury has with you is seeing you sit at the defendant's table and people tend to have a bias that if you are there, you did something to deserve being there (which to be fair is an accurate bias, just not one they should have ideally). So you already have one strike against you starting out. Famous people don't have that. The jury knows them from another context and so views them more favorably initially.
Another major issue in that case was police misconduct. It is all but certain that they did indeed fabricate evidence and of course the defense was able to use that. The state did a real shit job with their case and the defense could exploit that.
As an example of something like that happening to a poor person on a small scale: My friend used to be a public defender. He had a client who had been arrested for tagging (graffiti). Kid sure as shit did it, but the cops were full of it with the arrest. They didn't see the kid do shit. They saw the graffiti, saw a kid who they figured probably did it, searched him, and found Sharpie markers and arrested him. Well, my friend got the case tossed, because the police had no reason to search him, and carrying markers isn't illegal. The state fucked up its case, so out it went.
Of course said kid was pretty stupid, did it again, but this time the cops just waited to make sure to catch him in the act. He didn't get off a second time.
So instead of the barons, dukes and earls from Europe the US has Clintons, Bush and Kennedy's. I get it.
No, no, no. You make a propaganda movie to influence how others see you. The Triumph of the Will is how the Nazis wanted German to see them, and indeed the word "socialist" was quite popular at that time in history, which is why they hijacked it in "National Socialist".
Of course, what they did had nothing of the "socialist" part. They were heavily funded by the wealthy industrialist class (Krupp is a name among a hundred others), they were against abortion and for high child-bearing rates, were fond of guns and trained children with toy guns from an early age, stressed competition and survival of the strongest, had good relations with high clergy, including the Vatican, to the point that they helped hiding many Nazi war criminals after WW2.
Then of course there is the issue of "scientific" racism and the idea of master race, persecuting political enemies (guess what, almost all in the left side of politics), invasion of the Soviet Union, persecution of Jews (an age-old right-wing conspiracy theory used to provide the masses with an easy scapegoat).
I get what you are doing, trying to pull off the Goebbelsian Big Lie by associating the Nazis to your political opponents, no matter how historically groundless and ridiculous the association is. Maybe you believe it yourself. I would suggest you read more about the Nazis, you might end up liking them a lot.
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So you're saying he'll end up committing suicide with 3 shots to the back of the head and rolled up in a carpet?
Fascism and Communism are two sides of the same coin, totalitarianism. The difference is that while the leaders of Communism lie about their intentions via their actions, Fascism up-front about their ambitions and goals; for the most part anyways.
All you need to really understand is this: There are two types of people in this world; those that wish to control the lives of others, and those that don't.
Life is not for the lazy.
Just maybe that's because she only deleted personal stuff - or stuff she honestly didn't think was important. So she didn't see the need to delete it in a way that prevented recovery. That doesn't excuse using the server. It just maybe suggests that she didn't use it to intentionally compromise the security of the US - or pass US secrets to our enemies - as some Clinton haters are all too eager to assume.
The simplest explanation also makes the most sense - and all you logic hounds would agree if you weren't blinded by your politics. She used a private server because she didn't want personal emails made public in the case of an FOIA request. And given the enemies she has, an FOIA request on any flimsy pretext (yes, a non-existant 'coverup' of what went on in Benghazi is just such a pretext) was a sure thing.
None of that makes it a good idea - so sure, that's a knock against her candidacy. But it also doesn't make her Ethyl Rosenberg. Nor does that make Whitewater the equivalent of Iran/Contra. Even Ken Starr admits that - and he oughta know.
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I wouldn't care if they went back and prosecuted Republicans OR Democrats on this behavior, *everyone* needs to be accountable. It sure would go far to show the public that government is accountable to the people and not above the law. ---------------- Hillary for Prison '16