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Microsoft's Get Windows 10 App, KB 3035583, Reappears (infoworld.com)

Posted by msmash on from the old-habits-die-hard dept.

An anonymous reader shares an InfoWorld article: Once again, Microsoft has unleashed the GWX Kraken, with no explanation and no description. The latest KB 3035583 appears as a "Recommended" optional patch for Windows 7 and 8.1. Those with Automatic Update turned on and "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" checked -- the default settings -- will see the patch as a checked, optional update, and it will be installed the next time Automatic Update runs. If you previously hid KB 3035583, it's now unhidden. I'm sure there are a dozen people on earth who still have Auto Updates turned on, "Recommended updates" checked, and who haven't yet accepted Microsoft's kind invitation for a free copy of Windows 10. This one's for them. In late March 2015, Microsoft released the first version of KB 3035583. Described as "Update enables additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1," the patch immediately raised eyebrows. In April of last year, a German researcher named Gerard Himmelein, writing at heise.de, figured out that Microsoft was sneaking a Windows 10 upgrader onto Win7 and 8.1 machines. Life for Win7 and 8.1 customers since then has degenerated into Win10 whack-a-mole.In some other news, Chinese news outlet Xinhua reports that plenty of users in China are unhappy about Microsoft's push to get them to mandatorily upgrade their Windows OS. "The company has abused its dominant market position and broken the market order for fair play," Xinhua quoted Zhao Zhanling, a legal adviser with the Internet Society of China, as saying.

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  1. Not the first time by LichtSpektren · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've had to hide KB 3035583 over a dozen times now. It's really not worth my time to micromanage this crap on every PC in my office, so I just installed GWX Control Pane: http://www.majorgeeks.com/file...

    1. Re:Not the first time by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      I just installed GWX Control Pane...

      Which also needs constant updating to keep up. Until this is over, the simplest thing to do is to disable Windows Update. If you don't open every attachment you receive, or click on every laughing baby link, you shouldn't have much problem.

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    2. Re:Not the first time by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Until this is over, the simplest thing to do is to disable Windows Update.

      Get Never 10. It sets the Group Policy, that so far Microsoft isn't ignoring.

      I have to have a single Windows 7 machine for a few apps, and though it's rarely turned on, so far I've been safe.

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    3. Re:Not the first time by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course, even with the apps it keeps installing all the addware and telemitry. Here is a list of things to remove, and remove again, and again and again... http://www.dslreports.com/foru...

    4. Re:Not the first time by NJRoadfan · · Score: 4, Informative
      From the bottom of the page:

      A final note: I'm a bit annoyed that “Never10” is as large as it is at 85 kbyte. The digital signature increases the application's size by 4k, but the high-resolution and high-color icons Microsoft now requires takes up 56k! So without all that annoying overhead, the app would be a respectable 25k. And, yes, of course I wrote it in assembly language

    5. Re:Not the first time by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      That control panel is pretty good, I recommend it also.

      I'm also a bit confused about "recommended" updates. In the Windows Update panel (the real one, not the Widnows 8.1 metro style panel), it doesn't have a category of "recommended". The lowest level category is "optional", so if KB3035583 is listed as optional then I assume that's not "recommended"? Or are all optional updates now recommended?

      Windows has the worst package management system I've ever seen. Why do I have to be concerned about Windows Server 2012 bug fixes when I'm not running Windows Server 2012? Now that we're being forced to manually inspect each update you can see all the idiocy that's there. It's like they've gone to Agile and are forced to deliver half-assed updates every two weeks

    6. Re:Not the first time by JustBoo · · Score: 2

      That was supposed to be a joke. Humor is in short supply where Microsoft is concerned so I can understand the confusion.

      Well, if that was a joke a "/s" is required on the internet nowadays. Script kiddies who can't spell "C" (the programming language) have created the belief for themselves that if a download isn't 800MB it can't be "for real." Just sayin'. :-)

  2. M$ Sales at it's finest... by MobSwatter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I couldn't possibly think of a better way to sell Linux.

    1. Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by chipschap · · Score: 3, Informative

      ... 99.9% of the people who are having Win10 shoved down their throats don't even know what Linux is, let alone would even consider switching to it as a desktop OS.

      Unfortunately you're right. Most people have no clue what's going on, and are easily exploited. Microsoft takes full advantage of that.

    2. Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by dnaumov · · Score: 3, Informative

      and then almost lost her mind when she asked me if there was some easy way to go back to Windows 8 and I had to tell her no.

      Why did you lie to her? There is a 30 day grace period during which reverting back from Windows 10 to previous Windows version is roughly 3-4 mouse clicks away.

      Start Menu / Settings / Update & Security / Recovery

    3. Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by sjames · · Score: 2

      Actually, a lot of people just do web and email with some light document writing. Once they get used to the different look, Linux works just fine for them. Linux distros have updates as well, and they are safer to use since they don't yank the rug out from under you or add spyware.

      Adding dirty tricks to security updates is just another in a long long line of bad security decisions.

    4. Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by LichtSpektren · · Score: 2

      That's a good point, since Unity is the only GUI available for the Linux desktop and none others exist and there is no possible way to use anything but Unity. It's a sad state of affairs that FOSS users are trapped with this single option.

      (For the dolts: all of the above is sarcasm.)

    5. Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      Honestly? Get real. 99.9% of the people who are having Win10 shoved down their throats don't even know what Linux is, let alone would even consider switching to it as a desktop OS.

      I guess that is technically true since those who do know what it is are switching. I have had more people ask me about switching in the last 2 weeks then I have in the last 2 years.

      I work with it daily and even I don't have Linux as a desktop OS at home by choice for a variety of reasons, and don't have it as a desktop OS at work per corporate policy.

      Funny. I work with Windows daily as an independent consultant, and I do not have Windows installed on anything I own other then in a VM. RDP works fine from Linux, and everything else works better.

      And 98% of those people who had Win10 foisted on them don't really mind after the initial getting used to it period.

      Helsinki syndrome? :) But by the same token, most of the people I have exposed to a modern Linux desktop are THRILLED with it after the adjustment period.

      One of the people I work with is one of the biggest technophobes you'd ever meet. One morning several months ago, she came in and was practically in tears after accidentally agreeing to the upgrade, and then almost lost her mind when she asked me if there was some easy way to go back to Windows 8 and I had to tell her no.

      So was that an intentional lie, or did you really not know? You see it is things like this that make people question the credibility of the entire Windows ecosystem.

      A week later she's telling me how Windows 10 is just as good or perhaps even a bit better and easier to use than Windows 8 and she's glad she upgraded.

      I hear the same thing from new Mac and Linux users. Funny how that works.

    6. Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by c · · Score: 2

      I don't think this will do anything to help sell Linux; Microsoft's customer base is pretty conditioned to abuse.

      However, as a Linux user, I'd really like to sincerely thank Microsoft for the wonderful entertainment I get from watching them publicly inflict misery and aggravation on their customer base. Traditionally they go after everyone else with cut-throat glee, so it's a nice to see them spread it around a bit.

      I was kinda enjoying watching their mobile strategy meltdown, but that's always tinged with a bit of guilt over all those Nokia folks losing their jobs.

      Honestly, this is great. The only way it could be better would be if Oracle somehow got screwed in the process.

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    7. Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      Yeah except no. People choose Windows because Linux doesn't run the software they want (at least not without Wine hackery or other such nonsense).

      Really? FaceBook, Twitter, and Instagram all seem to work fine. Netflix too with a tiny bit of effort. And my Steam has a backlog of games I bought on sale and have not even downloaded yet! The bigest holdouts I had seen consulting were Exchange (now onliine and works in Linux) and Quickbooks (Which has now gotten just as good with the online version) So which software are you speaking of?

      Get angry - but for years idiots like yourself screamed about Microsoft not being security conscious.

      Name calling is your argument? OK, poopie head.

      Well this is what security is - you FORCE people to take updates, because otherwise idiots (like yourself) don't update and then holler when some malware comes out and exploits security holes that were patched months back.

      Because updates and patches never break things, and should never be tested. Like those odd one off applications that are no longer supported but your business needs and you can't make run in WINE.

      I'm not being a troll or whatever - I literally think some of you people are freaking morons.

      Just read that out loud and see if you can see anything wrong with that statement.

      Windows 7/8 is nearing its end of life and instead of updating with a FREE upgrade, you refuse.

      So are 2020 and 2023 really that close for you? And do you really think there will be no other options then Windows 10 in the next 4-7 years? And do you refuse to use that MRI machine that is run by Windows XP?

      You're worried about Microsoft's anonymous tracking system?

      You're not? After all the deceptive things they have done over the years, you trust them to be trustworthy, AND to keep them both anonymous and secure? Are you high?

      I hope you run EVERYTHING through an encrypted VPN and that you trust your VPN provider. I hope you trust your ISP. I hope you trust your email provider and I hope you trust you cellular carrier.

      I do a lot, and I AM my VPN provider, and hell no I do not trust my ISP, and my carrier is Verizon, so I think that answers the last concern.

      Because you don't have privacy when it comes to technology - not without limiting what you do and jumping through a ton of loopholes.

      Yes, if you want privacy today, you have to work at it. Also, if you want a nice car today, you have to work at it. Some of us want those things.

      Don't do illegal things, dont' download CP, and don't be an asshat and no one will care what you do. You're not that important. You're just stupid.

      That is also patently untrue. Do you disagree with any political party? Do you have any feelings about immigration, gun rights, abortion rights, capital punishment, police violence, free trade, or taxation? Do you have any money or viable credit? (We already know you are an asshat, so we have that box checked...) Then, yes, some people have a vested interest in knowing what you are doing.

    8. Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by silanea · · Score: 5, Funny

      [...] A week later she's telling me how Windows 10 is just as good or perhaps even a bit better and easier to use than Windows 8 and she's glad she upgraded.

      Well, going from 8 to 10 is indeed an upgrade. Going from 7 to 10 is better than going from 7 to 8. Better as in "being deported to Siberia instead of Auschwitz" better.

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    9. Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by Jahoda · · Score: 3, Funny

      My god, that's so obvious!!!

    10. Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by Tharkkun · · Score: 2

      Yeah except no. People choose Windows because Linux doesn't run the software they want (at least not without Wine hackery or other such nonsense).

      Really? FaceBook, Twitter, and Instagram all seem to work fine. Netflix too with a tiny bit of effort. And my Steam has a backlog of games I bought on sale and have not even downloaded yet! The bigest holdouts I had seen consulting were Exchange (now onliine and works in Linux) and Quickbooks (Which has now gotten just as good with the online version) So which software are you speaking of?

      Get angry - but for years idiots like yourself screamed about Microsoft not being security conscious.

      Name calling is your argument? OK, poopie head.

      Well this is what security is - you FORCE people to take updates, because otherwise idiots (like yourself) don't update and then holler when some malware comes out and exploits security holes that were patched months back.

      Because updates and patches never break things, and should never be tested. Like those odd one off applications that are no longer supported but your business needs and you can't make run in WINE.

      I'm not being a troll or whatever - I literally think some of you people are freaking morons.

      Just read that out loud and see if you can see anything wrong with that statement.

      Windows 7/8 is nearing its end of life and instead of updating with a FREE upgrade, you refuse.

      So are 2020 and 2023 really that close for you? And do you really think there will be no other options then Windows 10 in the next 4-7 years? And do you refuse to use that MRI machine that is run by Windows XP?

      You're worried about Microsoft's anonymous tracking system?

      You're not? After all the deceptive things they have done over the years, you trust them to be trustworthy, AND to keep them both anonymous and secure? Are you high?

      I hope you run EVERYTHING through an encrypted VPN and that you trust your VPN provider. I hope you trust your ISP. I hope you trust your email provider and I hope you trust you cellular carrier.

      I do a lot, and I AM my VPN provider, and hell no I do not trust my ISP, and my carrier is Verizon, so I think that answers the last concern.

      Because you don't have privacy when it comes to technology - not without limiting what you do and jumping through a ton of loopholes.

      Yes, if you want privacy today, you have to work at it. Also, if you want a nice car today, you have to work at it. Some of us want those things.

      Don't do illegal things, dont' download CP, and don't be an asshat and no one will care what you do. You're not that important. You're just stupid.

      That is also patently untrue. Do you disagree with any political party? Do you have any feelings about immigration, gun rights, abortion rights, capital punishment, police violence, free trade, or taxation? Do you have any money or viable credit? (We already know you are an asshat, so we have that box checked...) Then, yes, some people have a vested interest in knowing what you are doing.

      Windows 10 is moving to the Apple model for operating systems. They will be releasing 2 service releases a year similar to how Apple gives you El Capitan, Yosemite, etc. That's how the updates to the OS will be going forward. Also if you're more than 2 service releases back you'll no longer receive Windows updates until you upgrade to within 2 service releases.

  3. Re:-1 Repetitive by LichtSpektren · · Score: 5, Informative

    Jesus Christ, we get it. Microsoft recommends people upgrade their operating system to the newest one. Big fucking deal, let it go. Reading Slashdot means like I'm continually kept updated on whenever Microsoft recommends people to upgrade. I don't need to be in on the loop about it.

    You didn't read the article. It's not Microsoft "recommending people" upgrade to to Win10. What they've done is actively circumvent the people that explicitly chose to deny the Windows 7/8.1 update KB 3035583 that installs GWX ("Get Windows 10"), which is the malware that silently downloads Windows 10 and tries to install it without the user's permission.

  4. Fedora? Mint? Whatever you want. by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Install Linux, problem solved.

  5. It's Nadella and his arrogance by bazmail · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He publicly said there will be one billion devices running Win 10 within one year of its release, and by hook or by crook he'll do it.

    1. Re:It's Nadella and his arrogance by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      As I was being handed a check from one of my clients for un-fucking his computer, he was talking about the possible class action against MS. If it happens, it may end Microsoft as we know it.

    2. Re:It's Nadella and his arrogance by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Funny

      I for one can't wait to ruin Microsoft by settling for a coupon for $10 off Windows 11.

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  6. Even on domain computers now by Phusion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been fighting off this upgrade on my network at work for months now. I deployed a GPO with a template MS provides to stop the forced upgrade of Win7 machines to Win10, but I still see that damned little icon on my user's system tray. I don't condone, but understand their strategy for pushing out Win10 to home users, they don't want another Windows XP, where a popular but mostly out of date OS keeps a small, bug significant chunk of the market long after support ends. What I don't understand is forcing this update on domain joined machines that are obviously part of a business network and the upgrade should be left up to the sysadmin (me). I know there's little love for MS on this site, but they have gotten worse and those of us working in enterprise/domaine environments shouldn't have to employ registry hacks and GPO templates to keep our client machines from forcefully being upgraded to the latest OS.

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  7. Re:-1 Repetitive by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...Microsoft recommends people upgrade their operating system to the newest one....

    The recommending is not the problem. The how many times do I have to tell Microsoft "NO!" is the problem.

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    Updategate: Microsoft reinstalls piss-U-off-qwik Windows 10 virus, again

    Microsoft missed the 'no means no' portion of sex-ed class...

  8. Re:Windows 10 must not be doing so well... by Zaphoddd · · Score: 4, Informative

    sad but likely. netmarketshare reports Win7 - is at 47.82% and Win10: 15.34% the supposition that someone at microsoft's targets are not being met sounds plausible.

  9. Don't accept abuse. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Informative

    It amazes me that people have been so accepting of Microsoft's abuse.

    3 ideas:

    1) Autopatcher has not begun supporting Windows 10. We need independent control over Windows operating system updates. How can we achieve that?

    2) Don't let Windows connect to the internet. Microsoft has a long, long history of releasing very buggy code and fixing it later. After fixing 2,722 vulnerabilities and bugs, Microsoft declared Microsoft Windows XP "end of life".

    3) We need international support for a Windows-compatible operating system, like ReactOS.

  10. Bad marketing by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

    This is plain bad marketing strategy. Microsoft Windows 10 is actually a decent operating system, unlike that shit slab Windows 8.1 and the status-quo Windows 7. I tried Windows XP and went *back* to Linux, and that was freaking Mandrake 8; Windows 7 wasn't much of any kind of improvement, and Windows 8.1 was just "has the right APIs to run Unity 3D". Windows 10 surprised me enough that I sometimes stay on it as a casual OS rather than flipping back and forth if I'm doing a bunch of things *and* Unity 3D; so why aren't they playing up all the incredible improvements in Windows 10 as a migration strategy, rather than annoying the user into submission?

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    1. Re:Bad marketing by LichtSpektren · · Score: 5, Informative

      So what's your favorite part about Windows 10, the 107 domains that the OS sends your personal information to, the uncontrollable auto-updates that reboot while you're in the middle of your work, or when the OS deletes programs installed on your computer so you'll use the Microsoft equivalent instead?

    2. Re:Bad marketing by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every report I've seen about that has had methodology I've used to show Ubuntu, Fedora, et al sends your personal information all over the god damned world

      Yes. Ubuntu sends relevant information required for the updating of the system. Microsoft sends personally harvested information for the purposes of marketing disguised as "customer improvement program". I actually really like Windows 10, but I am not even going to remotely defend this behaviour. At least with Ubuntu you can turn all the damn things off, with MS you're not given a choice.

      Mine warns me like 2 days before it does it, and tells me it's scheduled for like 3am 2 days later. It lets me delay that stuff to a date and time of my choosing, and will put the updates in when I reboot if I finish up early and decide I can restart at that time.

      A time of your choosing is sugarcoating a way of saying sometime during that night it will reboot. It will do so regardless if a program is blocking and will do so regardless of what you think your own update policy should be. Furthermore good luck to you if your computer is asleep for a few days and then you need to use it for a presentation only to sit there and have it go through it's update when you turn it on. My choice my arse. I like the ability for auto updates. I like that auto is the system default. I like that Windows 10 silently does it without much user gripe. Not giving someone the choice is indefensible.

      You sent me a link to Windows 10 installing itself as a new operating system and moving the previous OS to a C:\windows.old directory.

      Keep reading. In the process it SILENTLY removes software that isn't compatible. It doesn't give you the option to not upgrade, or warn you. It just does. This is indefensible especially given this is MS removing something that people paid money for. Do they now get a refund?

      Is Google Chrome immune from Microsoft setting its home page to Bing?

      Oh I'm glad you mentioned this, especially since every update seems to set Edge back to the default browser, and regardless of what you set your default browser too if you search via Cortana it'll open up in Edge.

      Windows 10 is a great solid OS, but some of the design decision mentioned here aren't just a letdown, they are the kind of thing that you can only come up with when smoking weed with MBAs. Speaking of weed, if you think that 2/3rds of what was posted above doesn't affect the vast majority of users then maybe you should let your own THC levels drop a bit before posting.

    3. Re:Bad marketing by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I've been running Windows 10 since May, 2014 and that hasn't happened to me.

      Congratulations. Yet we hear daily of a Windows 10 nag that has caused real issues out there in the world. So far I've only lost an occasional document (recovered from autosave), but the closest thing I've found was $3000 damage to a telescope when the PC decided to reboot at 3am after the owner had gone to sleep and wasn't able to issue the command to meridian flip.

      Your lovely 10 days assumes you use your PC every day. Not everone does, and those people who don't find their PC suddenly and unexpectedly rebooting, which wouldn't worry anyone if the feature could be turned off. It can't and this lack of control is indefensible.

  11. Re:-1 Repetitive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are you talking about the "warnings" where your only two options are "now" or "later" and clicking the X to close the dialog installs Windows 10?

  12. Software should cater to the user by HalAtWork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you want software that helps you do what you want, then clearly don't get windows.

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  13. Re:-1 Repetitive by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

    No, I'm talking about the notification that says "Since you have recommended updates enabled you will get the recommended update. Go here to disable recommended updates." There is no warning where clicking the X installs the update, in that case it merely lets the update proceed as scheduled, much as anyone would expect when closing a notification.

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  14. Aand so it came to be ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... that of all the companies in the world, it was Microsoft itself who finally launched Year Of The Linux Desktop.

  15. They want the home users off Win7, period. by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't agree with how they're doing it, but the simple fact is that Microsoft is totally done supporting Windows 7 for home users. They're desperate to avoid another Windows XP-style upgrade cycle. Even getting Win7 support for businesses is getting trickier; Microsoft has basically announced that the next revision of business PCs won't natively support Windows 7, and support is limited to a very small list of business-only PCs...so they're not killing support, but just making it really hard to get it.

    I'm hoping they'll soften their stance on Windows as a Service and go back to a more traditional release timeframe, but for home users that kind of model is the right choice. Grandma isn't running crazy custom VB6 applications that can't be modernized and must work. She is, however, an inexperienced computer user who is probably happy with a remote servicing model, just like iOS.

    Under the hood and without the spyware/Cortana/Store, Windows 10 is actually a good upgrade. It has decent performance on low end hardware. Now that Windows Phone is all but dead, I'm hoping they'll start loosening some of the mobile-inspired UI decisions they made and start allowing custom theming again. The second someone comes up with a Windows 7 look-alike theme for Windows 10, I'm sure a huge chunk of users will move to 10. I skipped Windows 8 because I hated the UI so much, for example, and didn't come back until 8.1's last update.

    1. Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

      I don't agree with how they're doing it, but the simple fact is that Microsoft is totally done supporting Windows 7 for home users.

      Windows 7 until 2020, baby, 2020.

      .
      Microsoft has stated they will support Windows 7 until the year 2020. They cannot renege on that. Otherwise who would believe them when they say they won't make Windows 10 a monthly subscription service?

    2. Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

      Under the hood and without the spyware/Cortana/Store, Windows 10 is actually a good upgrade.

      That is a great endorsement. If you ignore all the bad, what remains must be good. By definition.

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    3. Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by blind+biker · · Score: 2

      The second someone comes up with a Windows 7 look-alike theme for Windows 10, I'm sure a huge chunk of users will move to 10. I skipped Windows 8 because I hated the UI so much, for example, and didn't come back until 8.1's last update.

      You seriously think people are avoiding Windows 10 because of the looks? Are you fucking high?

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  16. Linux by mfh · · Score: 2

    Yup, Microsoft are still cunts.

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  17. Re:As if people didn't hate M$ enough already! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the FUCK are they thinking? I'm a paid customer for 20 years now and they think they can fuck with me like this?

    Linux time, bitches. You forced me!

    You and 1.2% of the user base. The other 98.8% will be generating ad and surveillance revenue for MS by running Windows 10.

    They don't care about you as a customer.

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  18. Re:-1 Repetitive by Aaden42 · · Score: 2

    Given Microsoft’s recent position on gender sensitivity kind of things (Microsoft hires danders for GDC after-party), I kind of wonder if they subscribe to the, “20 No’s and a Yes is still a Yes” cult of consent.

  19. Re:still don't care by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

    "only"

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  20. Re:-1 Repetitive by LichtSpektren · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just because you masturbate nightly to your Windows 7 Home Edition every night before bed doesn't mean most of the world wouldn't want to upgrade to the latest, most secure version of the operating system that powers 90% of the world. Fuck.

    You make a good point. I would in fact like to upgrade to "the latest, most secure version of the operating system that powers 90% of the world" -- I'll get to compiling Linux 4.7 tonight.

  21. Re:Swallow both pills? by barc0001 · · Score: 2

    > Who gives a shit?

    Because if people in the tech industry who work with it on a daily basis won't use it for a desktop OS, why the hell would some grandma?

    > BTW, word of mouth is spreading. Even TBBT comedy TV show references Linux and Ubuntu in at least one episode.

    I've been watching word of mouth spread for 20 years. Still ain't happening. I had modest hope for SteamOS to give some exposure through preloaded Steam boxes but even that isn't going so well. And a few mentions on TBBT or Mr. Robot aren't going to convince anyone who wasn't already thinking about it to take the plunge. "Oh it's easy, you just download the .ISO and then burn it onto a DVD and then install. Oh, don't have blanks? No problem, get the .ISO still and then get one of your thumb drives and then download and install Linux Live USB creator. Then open that, find the .ISO file and choose the correct drive for your thumb drive. Make sure you get that right, don't want to accidentally wipe out your machine. Then set the amount of persistent memory and... hey, where are you going? I thought you wanted to try Linux out?"

    It's not "raining shills" it's raining realists. Sorry reality sucks but there it is.

  22. Re:-1 Repetitive by LichtSpektren · · Score: 5, Funny

    So you can run Windows 7 in a VM?

    Running Windows in a VM is like lowering the toilet lid without flushing. The shit might be contained, but it still stinks.

  23. Re:-1 Repetitive by Qzukk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given the red X debacle it's "20 Nos and a no answer means Yes"

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  24. Re:Swallow both pills? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And now realists are pointing out the level of hypocritical bullshit in claiming that "oh just go into the registry and flip this bit and then go set this GPO" or "google this random application and download it and run it with admin privileges" is now how grandma is expected to set up her computer on an OS that people keep claiming is "ready for the desktop".

    Oh, don't have blanks? No problem, get the .ISO still and then get one of your thumb drives and then run Windows Installer creator. Then open that, find the .ISO file and choose the correct drive for your thumb drive. Make sure you get that right, don't want to accidentally wipe out your machine. Hey, where are you going? I thought you wanted to try installing a slipstreamed Windows image with service packs and working drivers!

    FTFY. The only thing windows has going for it is that it comes "free" with the computer already installed. That's the only reason it has a 95% or whatever market share.

  25. Elementary OS by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    I've been trying out Elementary OS and it seems pretty spectacular so far. Much smother then any linux I have seen in awhile. Just thought I would mention it.

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  26. Re:As if people didn't hate M$ enough already! by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You and 1.2% of the user base.

    Normally I would agree with this sentiment. But Windows 10 is only being adopted at a marginally faster rate than Windows 7.
    And Windows 10 is free.
    And Windows 10 upgrades are so easy people are doing it by accident.
    And Microsoft is using every dirty trick it can to make those numbers better.

    Given that colossal failure evident in the statistics I think you may actually find more than 1.2% of users have had enough of MS's shit.

  27. Re:-1 Repetitive by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2

    So you can run Windows 7 in a VM?

    Running Windows in a VM is like lowering the toilet lid without flushing. The shit might be contained, but it still stinks.

    So running a Linux VM on a Windows host is like an upper-decker?