Microsoft's Get Windows 10 App, KB 3035583, Reappears (infoworld.com)

Not the first time by LichtSpektren · 2016-05-27 04:14 · Score: 4, Informative

I've had to hide KB 3035583 over a dozen times now. It's really not worth my time to micromanage this crap on every PC in my office, so I just installed GWX Control Pane: http://www.majorgeeks.com/file...

Re:Not the first time by fustakrakich · 2016-05-27 04:17 · Score: 2

I just installed GWX Control Pane...
Which also needs constant updating to keep up. Until this is over, the simplest thing to do is to disable Windows Update. If you don't open every attachment you receive, or click on every laughing baby link, you shouldn't have much problem.

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Re:Not the first time by bill_mcgonigle · 2016-05-27 04:44 · Score: 3, Insightful

Until this is over, the simplest thing to do is to disable Windows Update.
Get Never 10. It sets the Group Policy, that so far Microsoft isn't ignoring.
I have to have a single Windows 7 machine for a few apps, and though it's rarely turned on, so far I've been safe.

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Re:Not the first time by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 04:51 · Score: 4, Informative

Of course, even with the apps it keeps installing all the addware and telemitry. Here is a list of things to remove, and remove again, and again and again... http://www.dslreports.com/foru...
Re:Not the first time by bogie · 2016-05-27 06:03 · Score: 1

It didn't catch it for me. As posted you really to make sure and keep GWX updated and I assume use Monitor mode which I hadn't turned on yet. Not sure if it would have known to stop that latest update.
I just happened to see there was an update, normally don't look at them since GWX was installed, and saw that fucking turd of an update trying to force it's way on to my HTPC. Would have been a real problem for me.

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Re:Not the first time by NJRoadfan · 2016-05-27 06:46 · Score: 4, Informative

From the bottom of the page:

A final note: I'm a bit annoyed that “Never10” is as large as it is at 85 kbyte. The digital signature increases the application's size by 4k, but the high-resolution and high-color icons Microsoft now requires takes up 56k! So without all that annoying overhead, the app would be a respectable 25k. And, yes, of course I wrote it in assembly language
Re:Not the first time by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 06:53 · Score: 2

That control panel is pretty good, I recommend it also.
I'm also a bit confused about "recommended" updates. In the Windows Update panel (the real one, not the Widnows 8.1 metro style panel), it doesn't have a category of "recommended". The lowest level category is "optional", so if KB3035583 is listed as optional then I assume that's not "recommended"? Or are all optional updates now recommended?
Windows has the worst package management system I've ever seen. Why do I have to be concerned about Windows Server 2012 bug fixes when I'm not running Windows Server 2012? Now that we're being forced to manually inspect each update you can see all the idiocy that's there. It's like they've gone to Agile and are forced to deliver half-assed updates every two weeks
Re:Not the first time by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 07:08 · Score: 1

That was supposed to be a joke. Humor is in short supply where Microsoft is concerned so I can understand the confusion.
Re: Not the first time by wonkey_monkey · 2016-05-27 07:28 · Score: 1

I've got a stalker! Awesome :)

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Re:Not the first time by edxwelch · 2016-05-27 08:43 · Score: 1

So, what's to stop Microsoft from overriding the "disable update" setting? So far, they have violated every other user setting, including the firewall rules.
Re:Not the first time by dwywit · 2016-05-27 09:46 · Score: 1

Nothing technically, but as it's a group policy setting, MS would be taking a very big risk of upsetting corporate/govt users. Enterprise versions of Windows aren't supposed to be affected, but not every "big" customer has everything on enterprise licencing.

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Re:Not the first time by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 11:15 · Score: 1

Same here. No matter how many times I hide it it comes back. I will never upgrade this computer to another version of windows.
In addition, I keep getting this crap on my netbook that doesn't even qualify for Windows 10, with its 1 GB of memory it can barely run Windows 7 Starter.
Re:Not the first time by JustBoo · 2016-05-28 01:34 · Score: 2

That was supposed to be a joke. Humor is in short supply where Microsoft is concerned so I can understand the confusion.
Well, if that was a joke a "/s" is required on the internet nowadays. Script kiddies who can't spell "C" (the programming language) have created the belief for themselves that if a download isn't 800MB it can't be "for real." Just sayin'. :-)
Re:Not the first time by kenwd0elq · 2016-05-28 04:42 · Score: 1

Agreed; "Never10" is the way to go. I support several hundred customers' computers running a proprietary application that isn't compatible with Win10, and "Never10" is a quick, painless install that prevents Win10 from loading.
Re: Not the first time by cthulhu11 · 2016-05-28 11:09 · Score: 1

Back in the day my employer ran large mailing lists for MSFT. They worked well and we were asked for new features and capacity. We spent half a million building what they requested, then they whined about having headers indicating a non-MSFT OS. I wanted to just munge the headers but they insisted on insourcing to run on NT, something we had even tried and found to be infeasibly broken and nonperformant. The service degraded to badly that unsubscribes failed and some recipients never got messages. They live and breathe dog food.

M$ Sales at it's finest... by MobSwatter · 2016-05-27 04:15 · Score: 5, Insightful

I couldn't possibly think of a better way to sell Linux.

Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by chipschap · 2016-05-27 04:42 · Score: 3, Informative

... 99.9% of the people who are having Win10 shoved down their throats don't even know what Linux is, let alone would even consider switching to it as a desktop OS.
Unfortunately you're right. Most people have no clue what's going on, and are easily exploited. Microsoft takes full advantage of that.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by dnaumov · 2016-05-27 04:48 · Score: 3, Informative

and then almost lost her mind when she asked me if there was some easy way to go back to Windows 8 and I had to tell her no.
Why did you lie to her? There is a 30 day grace period during which reverting back from Windows 10 to previous Windows version is roughly 3-4 mouse clicks away.
Start Menu / Settings / Update & Security / Recovery
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by LichtSpektren · 2016-05-27 04:50 · Score: 1

Problem: some people don't install security patches.
Rational solution: turn on automatic security updates by default. If disabled, explicitly warn the user that the vendor is not liable for any breaches that happen because of derelict upgrades.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by vtcodger · 2016-05-27 04:55 · Score: 1

There is an interesting thread on Microsoft and the "click the red X to install Windows 10" dialog at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... What stands out in the 200 some odd comments is the Microsoft seems to have motivated one articulate segment of its user base ... motivated them to switch to Unix.

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Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by sjames · 2016-05-27 04:58 · Score: 2

Actually, a lot of people just do web and email with some light document writing. Once they get used to the different look, Linux works just fine for them. Linux distros have updates as well, and they are safer to use since they don't yank the rug out from under you or add spyware.
Adding dirty tricks to security updates is just another in a long long line of bad security decisions.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by LichtSpektren · 2016-05-27 05:02 · Score: 2

That's a good point, since Unity is the only GUI available for the Linux desktop and none others exist and there is no possible way to use anything but Unity. It's a sad state of affairs that FOSS users are trapped with this single option.

(For the dolts: all of the above is sarcasm.)
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 05:04 · Score: 2

Honestly? Get real. 99.9% of the people who are having Win10 shoved down their throats don't even know what Linux is, let alone would even consider switching to it as a desktop OS.
I guess that is technically true since those who do know what it is are switching. I have had more people ask me about switching in the last 2 weeks then I have in the last 2 years.

I work with it daily and even I don't have Linux as a desktop OS at home by choice for a variety of reasons, and don't have it as a desktop OS at work per corporate policy.
Funny. I work with Windows daily as an independent consultant, and I do not have Windows installed on anything I own other then in a VM. RDP works fine from Linux, and everything else works better.

And 98% of those people who had Win10 foisted on them don't really mind after the initial getting used to it period.
Helsinki syndrome? :) But by the same token, most of the people I have exposed to a modern Linux desktop are THRILLED with it after the adjustment period.

One of the people I work with is one of the biggest technophobes you'd ever meet. One morning several months ago, she came in and was practically in tears after accidentally agreeing to the upgrade, and then almost lost her mind when she asked me if there was some easy way to go back to Windows 8 and I had to tell her no.
So was that an intentional lie, or did you really not know? You see it is things like this that make people question the credibility of the entire Windows ecosystem.

A week later she's telling me how Windows 10 is just as good or perhaps even a bit better and easier to use than Windows 8 and she's glad she upgraded.
I hear the same thing from new Mac and Linux users. Funny how that works.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by c · 2016-05-27 05:16 · Score: 2

I don't think this will do anything to help sell Linux; Microsoft's customer base is pretty conditioned to abuse.
However, as a Linux user, I'd really like to sincerely thank Microsoft for the wonderful entertainment I get from watching them publicly inflict misery and aggravation on their customer base. Traditionally they go after everyone else with cut-throat glee, so it's a nice to see them spread it around a bit.
I was kinda enjoying watching their mobile strategy meltdown, but that's always tinged with a bit of guilt over all those Nokia folks losing their jobs.
Honestly, this is great. The only way it could be better would be if Oracle somehow got screwed in the process.

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Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 05:22 · Score: 2

Yeah except no. People choose Windows because Linux doesn't run the software they want (at least not without Wine hackery or other such nonsense).
Really? FaceBook, Twitter, and Instagram all seem to work fine. Netflix too with a tiny bit of effort. And my Steam has a backlog of games I bought on sale and have not even downloaded yet! The bigest holdouts I had seen consulting were Exchange (now onliine and works in Linux) and Quickbooks (Which has now gotten just as good with the online version) So which software are you speaking of?

Get angry - but for years idiots like yourself screamed about Microsoft not being security conscious.
Name calling is your argument? OK, poopie head.

Well this is what security is - you FORCE people to take updates, because otherwise idiots (like yourself) don't update and then holler when some malware comes out and exploits security holes that were patched months back.
Because updates and patches never break things, and should never be tested. Like those odd one off applications that are no longer supported but your business needs and you can't make run in WINE.

I'm not being a troll or whatever - I literally think some of you people are freaking morons.
Just read that out loud and see if you can see anything wrong with that statement.

Windows 7/8 is nearing its end of life and instead of updating with a FREE upgrade, you refuse.
So are 2020 and 2023 really that close for you? And do you really think there will be no other options then Windows 10 in the next 4-7 years? And do you refuse to use that MRI machine that is run by Windows XP?

You're worried about Microsoft's anonymous tracking system?
You're not? After all the deceptive things they have done over the years, you trust them to be trustworthy, AND to keep them both anonymous and secure? Are you high?

I hope you run EVERYTHING through an encrypted VPN and that you trust your VPN provider. I hope you trust your ISP. I hope you trust your email provider and I hope you trust you cellular carrier.
I do a lot, and I AM my VPN provider, and hell no I do not trust my ISP, and my carrier is Verizon, so I think that answers the last concern.

Because you don't have privacy when it comes to technology - not without limiting what you do and jumping through a ton of loopholes.
Yes, if you want privacy today, you have to work at it. Also, if you want a nice car today, you have to work at it. Some of us want those things.

Don't do illegal things, dont' download CP, and don't be an asshat and no one will care what you do. You're not that important. You're just stupid.
That is also patently untrue. Do you disagree with any political party? Do you have any feelings about immigration, gun rights, abortion rights, capital punishment, police violence, free trade, or taxation? Do you have any money or viable credit? (We already know you are an asshat, so we have that box checked...) Then, yes, some people have a vested interest in knowing what you are doing.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by silanea · 2016-05-27 05:44 · Score: 5, Funny

[...] A week later she's telling me how Windows 10 is just as good or perhaps even a bit better and easier to use than Windows 8 and she's glad she upgraded.
Well, going from 8 to 10 is indeed an upgrade. Going from 7 to 10 is better than going from 7 to 8. Better as in "being deported to Siberia instead of Auschwitz" better.

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Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by barc0001 · 2016-05-27 05:44 · Score: 1

Because I don't use Windows 10, and at the time she asked me a Google search didn't reveal that little gem?
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by Jahoda · 2016-05-27 05:58 · Score: 3, Funny

My god, that's so obvious!!!
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by barc0001 · 2016-05-27 05:59 · Score: 1

>>One of the people I work with is one of the biggest technophobes you'd ever meet. One morning several months ago, she came in and was practically in tears after accidentally agreeing to the upgrade, and then almost lost her mind when she asked me if there was some easy way to go back to Windows 8 and I had to tell her no.
>So was that an intentional lie, or did you really not know? You see it is things like this that make people question the credibility of the entire Windows ecosystem.
As I mentioned above I don't use Windows 10, and was even less familiar with it at the time of the incident. I did a Google search for information on rollback at the time and didn't find anything so that's what I told her. If I had found that she could have, I would have told her about it because I sure as hell wasn't looking forward to a barrage of complaining about it.
>>A week later she's telling me how Windows 10 is just as good or perhaps even a bit better and easier to use than Windows 8 and she's glad she upgraded.
>I hear the same thing from new Mac and Linux users. Funny how that works.
Different experiences I guess. All I ever heard from people were questions about why the they need doesn't want to install or exist for Linux. And yes it's possible to get Photoshop to work now:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/530110/how-can-i-install-photoshop-cs6-on-ubuntu-14-04
But read that through the lens of someone who breaks into a sweat when a Windows installshield asks them what path they want to place the program files on. Especially the line that says "If a few errors pop-up, don’t worry – chances are this install will still work."
Linux on the desktop is getting better, but it's still things like this that torpedo adoption. And trying to pretend it's sunshine and puppies is not helping either.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by macs4all · 2016-05-27 06:00 · Score: 1

I couldn't possibly think of a better way to sell OS X

FTFY.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by AmiMoJo · 2016-05-27 06:10 · Score: 1

Probably no coincidence that Chromebook sales are up too.

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Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 06:38 · Score: 1

Linux on the desktop is getting better, but it's still things like this that torpedo adoption. And trying to pretend it's sunshine and puppies is not helping either.
Well it is sunshine and puppies when you use native apps. :) Especially apps like the free pdf-shuffler that is so much easier (and cheaper) then anything from Adobe! (for example)
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by secretsquirel · 2016-05-27 06:57 · Score: 1

As a developer, it certainly means I'll do everything possible to use other platforms. Shame I actually like C# too.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by Tharkkun · 2016-05-27 07:05 · Score: 1

[...] A week later she's telling me how Windows 10 is just as good or perhaps even a bit better and easier to use than Windows 8 and she's glad she upgraded.
Well, going from 8 to 10 is indeed an upgrade. Going from 7 to 10 is better than going from 7 to 8. Better as in "being deported to Siberia instead of Auschwitz" better.
Was the upgrade painful? Did it give you PTSD? Windows 10 runs better on machines made in the past 5 years than Windows 7 did.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by Tharkkun · 2016-05-27 07:07 · Score: 1

Actually, a lot of people just do web and email with some light document writing. Once they get used to the different look, Linux works just fine for them. Linux distros have updates as well, and they are safer to use since they don't yank the rug out from under you or add spyware.
Adding dirty tricks to security updates is just another in a long long line of bad security decisions.
Except it's not a security update. It's part of the extra recommended updates. You shouldn't be blindly installing recommended updates without viewing them or having a sysadmin approve them first.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by Tharkkun · 2016-05-27 07:10 · Score: 2

Yeah except no. People choose Windows because Linux doesn't run the software they want (at least not without Wine hackery or other such nonsense).
Really? FaceBook, Twitter, and Instagram all seem to work fine. Netflix too with a tiny bit of effort. And my Steam has a backlog of games I bought on sale and have not even downloaded yet! The bigest holdouts I had seen consulting were Exchange (now onliine and works in Linux) and Quickbooks (Which has now gotten just as good with the online version) So which software are you speaking of?

Get angry - but for years idiots like yourself screamed about Microsoft not being security conscious.
Name calling is your argument? OK, poopie head.

Well this is what security is - you FORCE people to take updates, because otherwise idiots (like yourself) don't update and then holler when some malware comes out and exploits security holes that were patched months back.
Because updates and patches never break things, and should never be tested. Like those odd one off applications that are no longer supported but your business needs and you can't make run in WINE.

I'm not being a troll or whatever - I literally think some of you people are freaking morons.
Just read that out loud and see if you can see anything wrong with that statement.

Windows 7/8 is nearing its end of life and instead of updating with a FREE upgrade, you refuse.
So are 2020 and 2023 really that close for you? And do you really think there will be no other options then Windows 10 in the next 4-7 years? And do you refuse to use that MRI machine that is run by Windows XP?

You're worried about Microsoft's anonymous tracking system?
You're not? After all the deceptive things they have done over the years, you trust them to be trustworthy, AND to keep them both anonymous and secure? Are you high?

I hope you run EVERYTHING through an encrypted VPN and that you trust your VPN provider. I hope you trust your ISP. I hope you trust your email provider and I hope you trust you cellular carrier.
I do a lot, and I AM my VPN provider, and hell no I do not trust my ISP, and my carrier is Verizon, so I think that answers the last concern.

Because you don't have privacy when it comes to technology - not without limiting what you do and jumping through a ton of loopholes.
Yes, if you want privacy today, you have to work at it. Also, if you want a nice car today, you have to work at it. Some of us want those things.

Don't do illegal things, dont' download CP, and don't be an asshat and no one will care what you do. You're not that important. You're just stupid.
That is also patently untrue. Do you disagree with any political party? Do you have any feelings about immigration, gun rights, abortion rights, capital punishment, police violence, free trade, or taxation? Do you have any money or viable credit? (We already know you are an asshat, so we have that box checked...) Then, yes, some people have a vested interest in knowing what you are doing.
Windows 10 is moving to the Apple model for operating systems. They will be releasing 2 service releases a year similar to how Apple gives you El Capitan, Yosemite, etc. That's how the updates to the OS will be going forward. Also if you're more than 2 service releases back you'll no longer receive Windows updates until you upgrade to within 2 service releases.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by squiggleslash · 2016-05-27 07:14 · Score: 1

FWIW, Windows 10 tells you that it's going to back up the operating system you have and let you revert (as long as it's within one month) during the install. It also "reminds" you post-install that the old OS is there taking up space, and recommends you delete it if you have no plans to switch back.
So they're not hiding the feature.
(The above should not be taken as apologism, as I think they've truly crossed the line over the last couple of months. They should be taken to court over this.)

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Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by sjames · 2016-05-27 09:07 · Score: 1

I know that and you know that, but there's a lot of people out there who figure if it's recommended they should do it. The same people who follow their doctor's recommendations.
Not everyone has someone they can ask for advice on that. I know better, but I much prefer the Linux way where on a desktop, I can just tell it to install all updates and expect to have a working machine later and no sneaky tricks.
On servers I pick and choose to minimize chances of a disruption. Honestly, it's just a touch of desirable professional paranoia, I can't say there have been many cases where a blind update would have been a problem.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by Qzukk · 2016-05-27 09:29 · Score: 1

My parents switched to chromebooks after their laptop went to windows 10 and they didn't want to bother me by asking for help with it until after the one month was up, and then I had to tell them they were stuck.

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Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by dwywit · 2016-05-27 09:52 · Score: 1

30-day cooling off period aside, did she not have Win 8 installation media, or a recovery partition? I've had to format and re-install a couple of machines that the "reversion" managed to hose.

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Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by barc0001 · 2016-05-27 10:05 · Score: 1

Two things:
1. I don't use Windows 10, have only seen it on machines that were already preinstalled with it or already upgraded. I have never observed the Windows 10 upgrade process outside of those videos people posted where they were livestreaming a game session and Windows 10 install came crashing in like the Kool Aid Man. And even then the video doesn't really show you anything.
2. The person that happened to was not technical and sure as heck didn't mention anything about a backup.
So yes I probably should have looked into it more, but that boat has long since sailed.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by citylivin · 2016-05-27 11:20 · Score: 1

"Well, going from 8 to 10 is indeed an upgrade"
Your being funny but is it? Windows 10 has many problems. They want to update the whole OS every 6 months and shit always ends up breaking, reset your file permissions and auto install crappy applications from their store. Its harder to run with UAC off, and there is tonnes of useless web integration at all levels. File permissions probably pisses me off the most, and the loss of the file settings and transfer wizard, with no replacement, which you could still kind of use in win8.
I haven't really found anything that windows 10 does better than windows 8 except direct access vpns. And only "direct access" vpns, because they broke the normal VPN interface in windows 10.
I find that when i have to fix a windows 8 laptop, i am actually nostalgic for the OS. After installing classic start of course.
Disclaimer is that neither is better than windows 7 which is what i use at home. But I also made a conscious effort not to upgrade my wifes laptop from 8 to 10 because of all the problems we have at work with it.

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Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by macs4all · 2016-05-27 12:57 · Score: 1

It sold OS X to me. I now have a Macbook Pro, and am waiting for WWDC next month to see what hardware upgrades, if any, are made. I'm leaning towards getting a Mac Mini for the desktop, but perhaps an iMac or even a Mac Pro if a new version has got a nice wow factor.
Well! I don't know your particular application envelope; and not to dissuade you from getting new tools to work with; but you could do quite a bit with your MBP and an external display or two. But Hopefully, your MBP has 16 GB RAM.

Oh, and at work I've almost convinced the right people that we should go with SAS on a certain project. This is even though Microsoft's comparable product is already part of our current licensing agreement. One of the manager's having to deal with his mother's computer updating to Win10 and confusing the hell out of her, is what will probably end up tipping the balance.
Hehe...

I know, it's just one project in one place. But Microsoft's strength has always been making it easy to add just one more Microsoft product, since you have so many already. Screwing up people's home computers are giving more people reason to move away from Microsoft even at work, where they can.
Yeah. I think they have finally "done it" for a LOT of people this time. Maybe even "enough". One can only hope.

I think as time goes on, you will start to discover that, not only are Macs "real computers", but that OS X is quite the OS. Unix with a tasty GUI shell... And more.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by toddestan · 2016-05-27 13:08 · Score: 1

To top it off, even if the rollback all goes correctly, if you don't keep on top of things the computer will just upgrade itself to Windows 10 again anyway.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by wierd_w · 2016-05-27 13:57 · Score: 1

The problem I had with Ubuntu concerning Unity, was that their update pacckages did not respect non-unity configurations, and would destroy the desktop of alternatives.
It was ultimately what drove me first to Xubuntu, and later to Mint.
Granted that was several years back, but I doubt the situation has improved much. The updated packages would almost always overwrite the configurations I had set up when it came to the GUI, which would turn on parts of Unity that did not need to be and should not have been activated, which would put the window manager into an unstable condition. I am sure the new configurations in the update packages were well tested on the unity WM, but they were presumptuous on other desktops, and broke shit.
Mint is more careful, since they officially support xfce, mint, and cinnamon all at the same time. Means they dont/cant take things like "oh yeah, they are totally running Unity. Its OK to overwrite the xinit. It'll be fine." for granted.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by wierd_w · 2016-05-27 14:04 · Score: 1

Mint and Ubuntu are package compatible. (mostly)
You can point Ubuntu at a mint repository, and then install mate or cinnamon.
Just be aware that ubuntu's packages break everything later.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by macs4all · 2016-05-27 15:32 · Score: 1

osx is sluggish and bug prone these days.
Well, if you're judging everything based on El Capitan, you're partially right.

As I said to another Slashdotter recently: Major-Rev OS X Versions are like Star Trek Movies: The Even-numbered ones are Better.

OS X tends to follow a "Tick-Tock" pattern. On the "Tick" major new features are introduced, sometimes at the expense of some stability, especially in the first few "point revs" after a new Major Rev.. On the "Tock" these new features and concepts are refined and stability improves again.

But even the odd-numbered revs. Eventually settle down.

I have used OS X as my main OS since 1999 when it was called OS X Server 1.0, even before it's real introduction as Apple's new Desktop OS, and I watched this pattern emerge, to a greater or lesser extent, for many revisions.
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by NotAPK · 2016-05-27 19:07 · Score: 1

Like this? :)
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by silanea · 2016-05-27 21:39 · Score: 1

[...] Windows 10 runs better on machines made in the past 5 years than Windows 7 did.
Please define "runs better". Apart from the utterly retarded installer, which parts of Windows 7 run so poorly that they warrant an upgrade to another Windows-based OS in spite of that OS's considerable downsides? I hate Microsoft, I have been running Linux on my laptops since 2005 or so, but I do find 7 quite tolerable. And those things that annoy me about it have not been fixed in 10.
So what exactly runs better in 10 than 7 that has an impact on real-world every-day usage (not benchmarks or hypothetical security gains)?

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Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by antdude · 2016-05-28 01:14 · Score: 1

Yep and other OSes. Maybe we will finally get Linux go big on desktops. Also, Apple will get more users with their products.
BTW, it's = it (i/ha)s. ;)

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Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by c · 2016-05-28 01:55 · Score: 1

No.
That was Oracle losing a lottery. They paid a pittance at a chance for billions of dollars and getting rent from the biggest mobile platform and (so far) lost.
Unfortunately, in the process they (may have; IANAL) established the precedent that API's are copyrightable. It's going to be years before that shit pile gets cleaned up properly.
I'm thinking something like Microsoft selling Oracle their mobile phone business, especially if they can bring back Elop to run it.

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Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by vandamme · 2016-05-28 04:47 · Score: 1

Ubuntu MATE. Try it.
Re: M$ Sales at it's finest... by macs4all · 2016-05-28 04:54 · Score: 1

I'be been "lucky" enough that my current client requires some OSX work, so I have a functioning Macmini and MBP. Being forced to use them a lot and learning a lot of internals (installing and running a mono local webservice....) I agree with you. For all the candy interface OSXIS a real unix-like OS. I enjoy it as a developer. This will become my main OS most likely, and I will wall off my last windows pc from windows 10, so I can use it for work projects.
Or just install your favorite Win version (I use W7 at work) on one of your Macs.

You know, everyone I have "switched" has wanted me to make provisions to allow them to use their Windows PC, and NOT ONE of them has EVER so much as applied power to those machines!!!

BTW, I think that OS X still includes Apache as part of the standard build, in case you need to spin up a quick web server.

And not to pick, but OS X is not "Unix-like", it is actually a Certified Unix. ;-)
Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by Hognoxious · 2016-05-28 05:54 · Score: 1

Do you really have to include so much quoted text? It's like the September that never ended didn't end.

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Re:M$ Sales at it's finest... by Hognoxious · 2016-05-30 06:00 · Score: 1

FWIW, Windows 10 tells you that it's going to back up the operating system you have and let you revert (as long as it's within one month) during the install.
Not in my experience. It just went ahead overnight, unattended.
In the morning it appeared that it had done it; the logon screen had changed etc. Basically resigned to it, I logged on and only at that point did it ask for confirmation.
The whole thing is a clusterfuck. In future this will be studied like the Ford Edsel and the Charge of the Light Brigade.

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again and again and again and again... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 04:15 · Score: 1

for me, this is something like the 7th time that I have had to hide/uninstall this update.

On the plus side, this makes me want Linux on my desktop more than ever before!

Re:again and again and again and again... by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 05:23 · Score: 1

They listed in the article how many times it was un-hidden... May 3, March 23, Feb. 23, and Dec. 15 and then in 2015 on Oct. 5, Oct. 1, July 9, May 14, April 3, or March 27

Re:-1 Repetitive by LichtSpektren · 2016-05-27 04:16 · Score: 5, Informative

Jesus Christ, we get it. Microsoft recommends people upgrade their operating system to the newest one. Big fucking deal, let it go. Reading Slashdot means like I'm continually kept updated on whenever Microsoft recommends people to upgrade. I don't need to be in on the loop about it.

You didn't read the article. It's not Microsoft "recommending people" upgrade to to Win10. What they've done is actively circumvent the people that explicitly chose to deny the Windows 7/8.1 update KB 3035583 that installs GWX ("Get Windows 10"), which is the malware that silently downloads Windows 10 and tries to install it without the user's permission.

Spybot Anti-Beacon by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 04:17 · Score: 1

Spybot Anti-Beacon: block and stop the various tracking (telemetry) issues present in Windows 7/8/8.1/10

https://www.safer-networking.o...

"Spybot Anti-Beacon is a standalone tool which was designed to block and stop the various tracking (telemetry) issues present in Windows 10. It has since been modified to block similar tracking functionality in Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 operating systems.

Anti-Beacon is small, simple to use, and is provided free of charge. It was created to address the privacy concerns of users of Windows 10 who do not wish to have information about their PC usage sent to Microsoft. Simply clicking "Immunize" on the main screen of Anti-Beacon will immediately disable any known tracking features included by Microsoft in the operating system.

If any issues occur with your PC while using Anti-Beacon, undoing the changes made can be done by clicking the "Undo" button in the main window. This will re-enable all tracking services. If you experience any issues using Anti-Beacon or have any suggestions/recommendations, please be sure to let us know on the forum thread relating to this tool."

Re:Spybot Anti-Beacon by flyingfsck · 2016-05-27 08:41 · Score: 1

It is useless information already anyway.

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Fedora? Mint? Whatever you want. by cfalcon · 2016-05-27 04:17 · Score: 4, Informative

Install Linux, problem solved.

It's Nadella and his arrogance by bazmail · 2016-05-27 04:18 · Score: 5, Insightful

He publicly said there will be one billion devices running Win 10 within one year of its release, and by hook or by crook he'll do it.

Re:It's Nadella and his arrogance by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 05:27 · Score: 2

As I was being handed a check from one of my clients for un-fucking his computer, he was talking about the possible class action against MS. If it happens, it may end Microsoft as we know it.
Re:It's Nadella and his arrogance by Junior+J.+Junior+III · 2016-05-27 06:09 · Score: 4, Funny

I for one can't wait to ruin Microsoft by settling for a coupon for $10 off Windows 11.

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Re:It's Nadella and his arrogance by whoever57 · 2016-05-27 06:33 · Score: 1

He decided to exclude Enterprise, because we are their most profitable customers. He thinks that Enterprise customers will pay for 10.
FTFY.

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Re:It's Nadella and his arrogance by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 06:40 · Score: 1

Seeing as how they set the price for their OS as "free" that will not work. And if they try and pull that, enough people may opt out of the class and sue individually.
Re:It's Nadella and his arrogance by Tukz · 2016-05-27 07:02 · Score: 1

It's only "free" for 2 months more, then the free offers ends.

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Re:It's Nadella and his arrogance by Tharkkun · 2016-05-27 07:14 · Score: 1

Seeing as how they set the price for their OS as "free" that will not work. And if they try and pull that, enough people may opt out of the class and sue individually.
It's only free until July for eligible upgrades. If you buy a new computer with no OS Windows 10 costs the standard $100-150.
Re:It's Nadella and his arrogance by Tharkkun · 2016-05-27 07:20 · Score: 1

That doesn't make sense. He intentionally is excluding all versions of Windows except for 7 and 8. He also made the decision to exclude a lot of the editions of Windows. I don't know anyone that has a copy of Windows that is allowed to upgrade to 10. My laptop came with 7 Enterprise, so Microsoft doesn't allow me to upgrade. My desktop running Vista isn't allowed to upgrade. Nadella doesn't want people to run Windows. He is embarrassed by it. Why else would he prevent so many people from upgrading?
He excluded enterprise because you'd be a flipping idiot to upgrade your Enterprise copy of Windows 7 automatically. Oh 10 is out, let's upgrade our corporate servers day 1. If you're running enterprise on your desktop to browse the web then you're also doing it wrong and/or probably not licensed properly in the first place. It's the same reason they invented the GWX application to allow you to opt out. It would be a nightmare if half a company decided to upgrade and found out (due to lack of testing) that their products didn't work with 10 yet. People love to jump the gun on new technology so Microsoft put in protection against it.
Re:It's Nadella and his arrogance by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 08:11 · Score: 1

I like the Windows 8/8.1 UI. Not the metro crap, but the desktop. It screwed up because it had a fat border that you couldn't change in settings, but I fixed that with the registry (I'd prefer 0 width border). I like the flat look, I thought Aero was pointless shiny fluff to attract users and magpies. I like the minimalist look of OSX, and this was a step in that direction.
Overall I liked Windows 8.1. Ignore the metro app screen and apps and app store, then learn to hobble along without a start menu. After that I like it better than Windows 7. I thought Windows 10 would be similar; get the start menu back sort of, learn to disable cortana, learn to disable telemetry, etc. Just like *all* windows versions you're never going to get 100% improvement, you're going to get 2 steps forward and most of 2 steps back. But during the "wait and see" period Windows 10 has turned out to be a disaster.
Re:It's Nadella and his arrogance by Hognoxious · 2016-06-03 07:16 · Score: 1

If you buy a new computer with no OS Windows 10 costs the standard $100-150.

Lowballing asshats. I'm not touching it for less than 250.

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As if people didn't hate M$ enough already! by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 04:19 · Score: 1

What the FUCK are they thinking? I'm a paid customer for 20 years now and they think they can fuck with me like this?

Linux time, bitches. You forced me!

Re:As if people didn't hate M$ enough already! by bill_mcgonigle · 2016-05-27 04:50 · Score: 4, Insightful

What the FUCK are they thinking? I'm a paid customer for 20 years now and they think they can fuck with me like this?
Linux time, bitches. You forced me!
You and 1.2% of the user base. The other 98.8% will be generating ad and surveillance revenue for MS by running Windows 10.
They don't care about you as a customer.

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Re:As if people didn't hate M$ enough already! by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 05:28 · Score: 1

What the FUCK are they thinking? I'm a paid customer for 20 years now and they think they can fuck with me like this?
Now?
Re:As if people didn't hate M$ enough already! by thegarbz · 2016-05-27 07:22 · Score: 4, Insightful

You and 1.2% of the user base.
Normally I would agree with this sentiment. But Windows 10 is only being adopted at a marginally faster rate than Windows 7.
And Windows 10 is free.
And Windows 10 upgrades are so easy people are doing it by accident.
And Microsoft is using every dirty trick it can to make those numbers better.
Given that colossal failure evident in the statistics I think you may actually find more than 1.2% of users have had enough of MS's shit.
Re:As if people didn't hate M$ enough already! by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 08:17 · Score: 1

They could make billions by doing things the old way, selling an OS that people want, providing useful goods and services. Intead they'll only make millions by selling statistics about how many people like playing Candy Crush. Just like your crazy uncle Ralph who has a plan to strike it rich any day now, Microsoft has a naive plan to strike it rich by being the last person on the block to jump on the apps and advertisement bandwagon.
Re:As if people didn't hate M$ enough already! by flyingfsck · 2016-05-27 08:43 · Score: 1

Yup. If you still have MSFT shares, then it is time to dump it.

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Windows 10 must not be doing so well... by QuietLagoon · 2016-05-27 04:21 · Score: 1

If Microsoft feels it needs to look like a malware-distributor in order to get Windows 10 on its customers' PCs, then the uptake of Windows 10 must not be as good as Microsoft needs it to be. In fact, it may be much worse, much, much worse.

Re:Windows 10 must not be doing so well... by Zaphoddd · 2016-05-27 04:26 · Score: 4, Informative

sad but likely. netmarketshare reports Win7 - is at 47.82% and Win10: 15.34% the supposition that someone at microsoft's targets are not being met sounds plausible.
Re:Windows 10 must not be doing so well... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 04:42 · Score: 1

of course it isn't doing very well.
Windows 10 has been run through the media wringer, it is trashed *everywhere* and for good reason. Microsoft's continued and varied attempts at forcing it down people's throats just fuels the fire, and so the attention isn't going away. Windows 10 may be the "ooh, new shiny" Windows, but it's the biggest pile of manure to come out of Redmond since Bob; and thing is, Bob actually worked. It was corny and stupid, but at least the fucking thing worked, didn't spy on you, didn't install on it's own, didn't come with invasive "unprivacy" policy, and didn't update itself automatically with a 50-50 chance at it continuing to work after each update.
Of the supposed 300 million devices running Windows 10, I would take a shot-in-the-dark and say at least half were upgraded not-so-willingly.. a very reasonable assumption, and probably a little low; and then of the remainder, half are new PC sales and Xbox (a stretch to even call its core OS "Windows 10" in the first place) and mobile devices (what few of those there are), and half of the rest fall under Software Assurance or some other volume license contracts, regardless of whether the licensee is actually using the seats they are essentially required to pay for. If you're keeping score, that leaves probably 10% or less of those "300 million devices" that were actually upgraded knowingly and/or willingly by their users.
Re:Windows 10 must not be doing so well... by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 08:22 · Score: 1

Microsoft has always been deceptive about its marketing. It always reports huge successes in every release, even Vista, but only because of OEM deals (and strong arm mafia tacticts) and new PC sales. Because the PC market is slowing down that has become more difficult. Also the extremely short period of time since Windows 8 and 8.1 were released means there's absolutely zero customer demand.

Even on domain computers now by Phusion · 2016-05-27 04:22 · Score: 5, Interesting

I've been fighting off this upgrade on my network at work for months now. I deployed a GPO with a template MS provides to stop the forced upgrade of Win7 machines to Win10, but I still see that damned little icon on my user's system tray. I don't condone, but understand their strategy for pushing out Win10 to home users, they don't want another Windows XP, where a popular but mostly out of date OS keeps a small, bug significant chunk of the market long after support ends. What I don't understand is forcing this update on domain joined machines that are obviously part of a business network and the upgrade should be left up to the sysadmin (me). I know there's little love for MS on this site, but they have gotten worse and those of us working in enterprise/domaine environments shouldn't have to employ registry hacks and GPO templates to keep our client machines from forcefully being upgraded to the latest OS.

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Re:Even on domain computers now by Tharkkun · 2016-05-27 07:21 · Score: 1

I've been fighting off this upgrade on my network at work for months now. I deployed a GPO with a template MS provides to stop the forced upgrade of Win7 machines to Win10, but I still see that damned little icon on my user's system tray. I don't condone, but understand their strategy for pushing out Win10 to home users, they don't want another Windows XP, where a popular but mostly out of date OS keeps a small, bug significant chunk of the market long after support ends. What I don't understand is forcing this update on domain joined machines that are obviously part of a business network and the upgrade should be left up to the sysadmin (me). I know there's little love for MS on this site, but they have gotten worse and those of us working in enterprise/domaine environments shouldn't have to employ registry hacks and GPO templates to keep our client machines from forcefully being upgraded to the latest OS.
Are you using your own internal WSUS server? Because we have over 120k windows machines and other than the first week the white window popped up, it hasn't show on a single computer since. You should be managing updates yourself honestly.
Re:Even on domain computers now by flyingfsck · 2016-05-27 08:54 · Score: 1

Uhmmm... You could stop it all by dropping microsoft.com and windowsupdate.com in your router: https://support.microsoft.com/...

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Re:Even on domain computers now by citylivin · 2016-05-27 11:27 · Score: 1

This is a false claim. I manage a few networks and as long as you have a WSUS server (which any company with more than 10 machines should have, otherwise you are wasting bandwidth at the very least) you will not get any forced upgrade. Well not yet.
The other thing I did to make double sure is i put the GWX control panel in our windows 7 image. So any new computer is inoculated. The only time i see that kind of thing is if its a non domain joined computer, which is to be expected sadly.

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Re:Even on domain computers now by Agripa · 2016-05-27 12:39 · Score: 1

... they don't want another Windows XP, where a popular but mostly out of date OS keeps a small, bug significant chunk of the market long after support ends.
Then maybe they should release a replacement for Windows XP while not trying to leverage their monopoly onto other device formats.
I have been testing Windows 7 on another system and I hate it compared to XP. Features are missing, compatibility is lost, and any improvements are washed away by regressions.

Re:-1 Repetitive by QuietLagoon · 2016-05-27 04:25 · Score: 2, Funny

...Microsoft recommends people upgrade their operating system to the newest one....

The recommending is not the problem. The how many times do I have to tell Microsoft "NO!" is the problem.

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Punch The Monkey! by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 04:30 · Score: 1

IMO M$ really needs to have a flash app which allows you every so often to "punch the monkey" to avoid installation of Windows 10.

I mean come on, at least make it entertaining!

Don't accept abuse. by Futurepower(R) · 2016-05-27 04:30 · Score: 3, Informative

It amazes me that people have been so accepting of Microsoft's abuse.

3 ideas:

1) Autopatcher has not begun supporting Windows 10. We need independent control over Windows operating system updates. How can we achieve that?

2) Don't let Windows connect to the internet. Microsoft has a long, long history of releasing very buggy code and fixing it later. After fixing 2,722 vulnerabilities and bugs, Microsoft declared Microsoft Windows XP "end of life".

3) We need international support for a Windows-compatible operating system, like ReactOS.

Re:Don't accept abuse. by Tharkkun · 2016-05-27 07:24 · Score: 1

It amazes me that people have been so accepting of Microsoft's abuse. 3 ideas: 1) Autopatcher has not begun supporting Windows 10. We need independent control over Windows operating system updates. How can we achieve that? 2) Don't let Windows connect to the internet. Microsoft has a long, long history of releasing very buggy code and fixing it later. After fixing 2,722 vulnerabilities and bugs, Microsoft declared Microsoft Windows XP "end of life". 3) We need international support for a Windows-compatible operating system, like ReactOS.
1. Don't automatically install Recommended updates. Only security updates. 2. If you're a business then run an internal WSUS server. It doesn't take much power at all. Or run it off your domain controller. 3. Every product has buggy code. There's a big difference between stop/break fixes and minor inconveniences.

Bad marketing by bluefoxlucid · 2016-05-27 04:31 · Score: 2

This is plain bad marketing strategy. Microsoft Windows 10 is actually a decent operating system, unlike that shit slab Windows 8.1 and the status-quo Windows 7. I tried Windows XP and went *back* to Linux, and that was freaking Mandrake 8; Windows 7 wasn't much of any kind of improvement, and Windows 8.1 was just "has the right APIs to run Unity 3D". Windows 10 surprised me enough that I sometimes stay on it as a casual OS rather than flipping back and forth if I'm doing a bunch of things *and* Unity 3D; so why aren't they playing up all the incredible improvements in Windows 10 as a migration strategy, rather than annoying the user into submission?

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Re:Bad marketing by LichtSpektren · 2016-05-27 04:39 · Score: 5, Informative

So what's your favorite part about Windows 10, the 107 domains that the OS sends your personal information to, the uncontrollable auto-updates that reboot while you're in the middle of your work, or when the OS deletes programs installed on your computer so you'll use the Microsoft equivalent instead?
Re:Bad marketing by bluefoxlucid · 2016-05-27 05:17 · Score: 1

the 107 domains that the OS sends your personal information to
Every report I've seen about that has had methodology I've used to show Ubuntu, Fedora, et al sends your personal information all over the god damned world, what with Apport/Whoopsie constantly uploading error reports to Launchpad, apt and yum constantly telling all kinds of servers what applications you have installed (HTTP GET pornview-2.1.3.deb WUT? It tells them my IP address too!), and so forth. There are also complaints about Microsoft's live Web search tool sending whatever you type in the Start menu search to Bing, meanwhile people are using Siri and Android to ask about Microsoft's snooping--which is sending everything they say to Apple and Google.
In other words, Vlad is doing what Sam is doing, but Vlad is a big, scary Russian and we can't trust Russians. Sam is the every-day man and obviously can do those things Vlad does, 'cause he's cool.

he uncontrollable auto-updates that reboot while you're in the middle of your work,
Mine warns me like 2 days before it does it, and tells me it's scheduled for like 3am 2 days later. It lets me delay that stuff to a date and time of my choosing, and will put the updates in when I reboot if I finish up early and decide I can restart at that time.

deletes programs installed on your computer so you'll use the Microsoft equivalent instead
You sent me a link to Windows 10 installing itself as a new operating system and moving the previous OS to a C:\windows.old directory. That happened when I upgraded from Windows 8, and happens when you upgrade between tech previews; I've never seen Windows 10 do that from a production, non-beta build.
Thus far, Windows 10 hasn't removed Xamarin Studio Monodevelop, Chrome, Google Drive, Spotify, Kindle, LibreOffice, LyX, Unity 3D, Steam, or anything else I had installed. I did notice Microsoft *bought* Xamarin, and now installing Xamarin Studio instead installs Visual Studio instead of MonoDevelop.
So what, does it only remove Firefox and install Edge? Is Google Chrome immune from Microsoft setting its home page to Bing? I don't see any of this happening on my end. Maybe it removes some useless utility that collides with a Windows service or makes assumptions no longer true about the registry (and thus might break Windows), and everybody panicked; maybe you're the FUD master. So far as I can tell, you've described nothing that affects the vast majority of users--and in some cases nothing that differs from popular mainstream Linux distributions.

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Re:Bad marketing by PmanAce · 2016-05-27 05:43 · Score: 1

To be fair, your third statement is misleading. Windows may remove programs during an update for compatibility reasons. If a program is known to cause crashes, bugs, or otherwise conflict with Windows, Windows may remove it to keep your system stable. If this happens, the “All of your files are exactly where you left them” in the windows.old. This only happens because essentially the update is a "new" version of windows. It will only remove programs when updating to a new major version, or “build,” of Windows 10.That’s because these major versions, or “builds,” are treated differently from normal Windows updates. Builds of Windows 10–like the fall update, Windows 10’s first big update–aren’t like normal Windows updates or service packs at all. Instead, they’re more like upgrading to an entirely new version of Windows.

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Re:Bad marketing by LichtSpektren · 2016-05-27 05:45 · Score: 1

Respondet ad telemetry & spying: Ubuntu IF EXPLICITLY TOLD TO DO SO will deliver crash data to Launchpad. Ubuntu also communicates across an encrypted connection to Canonical's servers to get packages using APT any Snappy -- it doesn't tell the other side what you have installed or anything like that, dependency management is done locally after syncing with their repositories (think I'm lying? Go look at the source code -- isn't FOSS great?). By comparison, why the fuck is Microsoft sending my personal data to bingads.microsoft.com and watson.live.com whenever I do something rudimentary and local like opening Notepad?

Respondet ad uncontrollable updates: Regardless of what you set your update settings to, Windows 10 will update anyway, even when you're in the middle of something. There's lots of reports of this happening.

Respondet at uninstalling your programs: No, the link details that Windows 10 will uninstall your programs during major updates for apparently arbitrary reasons.
Re:Bad marketing by thegarbz · 2016-05-27 05:48 · Score: 1

Snide remarks aside Windows 10 is an awesome system that is majorly let down by those 3 shitturds of features. Underneath if it weren't for the 3 things you mention it is actually a very decent well rounded and stable system.
4 shitturds. You forgot the advertisements in the startmenu.
Re:Bad marketing by thegarbz · 2016-05-27 05:58 · Score: 3, Insightful

Every report I've seen about that has had methodology I've used to show Ubuntu, Fedora, et al sends your personal information all over the god damned world
Yes. Ubuntu sends relevant information required for the updating of the system. Microsoft sends personally harvested information for the purposes of marketing disguised as "customer improvement program". I actually really like Windows 10, but I am not even going to remotely defend this behaviour. At least with Ubuntu you can turn all the damn things off, with MS you're not given a choice.

Mine warns me like 2 days before it does it, and tells me it's scheduled for like 3am 2 days later. It lets me delay that stuff to a date and time of my choosing, and will put the updates in when I reboot if I finish up early and decide I can restart at that time.
A time of your choosing is sugarcoating a way of saying sometime during that night it will reboot. It will do so regardless if a program is blocking and will do so regardless of what you think your own update policy should be. Furthermore good luck to you if your computer is asleep for a few days and then you need to use it for a presentation only to sit there and have it go through it's update when you turn it on. My choice my arse. I like the ability for auto updates. I like that auto is the system default. I like that Windows 10 silently does it without much user gripe. Not giving someone the choice is indefensible.

You sent me a link to Windows 10 installing itself as a new operating system and moving the previous OS to a C:\windows.old directory.

Keep reading. In the process it SILENTLY removes software that isn't compatible. It doesn't give you the option to not upgrade, or warn you. It just does. This is indefensible especially given this is MS removing something that people paid money for. Do they now get a refund?

Is Google Chrome immune from Microsoft setting its home page to Bing?
Oh I'm glad you mentioned this, especially since every update seems to set Edge back to the default browser, and regardless of what you set your default browser too if you search via Cortana it'll open up in Edge.
Windows 10 is a great solid OS, but some of the design decision mentioned here aren't just a letdown, they are the kind of thing that you can only come up with when smoking weed with MBAs. Speaking of weed, if you think that 2/3rds of what was posted above doesn't affect the vast majority of users then maybe you should let your own THC levels drop a bit before posting.
Re: Bad marketing by buchanmilne · 2016-05-27 06:03 · Score: 1

"Every report I've seen about that has had methodology I've used to show Ubuntu, Fedora, et al sends your personal information all over the god damned world, what with Apport/Whoopsie constantly uploading error reports to Launchpad, apt and yum constantly telling all kinds of servers what applications you have installed (HTTP GET pornview-2.1.3.deb WUT?"
And I guess it's impossible to uninstall or disable abrt (so you don't get asked if you want to send crash reports), you can't change the repos used (to your own private mirror) or disable the default repos ...
Not.
Re:Bad marketing by bluefoxlucid · 2016-05-27 06:15 · Score: 1

Uninstall WHAT programs? You said it uninstalls programs so I'll use the microsoft alternatives.
I have not seen Windows just update at a time other than at which I have specified it to update.
apt-get update gets a list of packages. apt-get upgrade tells the server all the packages I have installed which need upgrades. apt-get install tells Ubuntu what packages I'm installing. They have a long-running history of what packages I installed, when I install them, how frequently I update, and what packages get what updates--meaning they know if I've uninstalled a particular package, as it stops getting updates.
I'm pretty sure Microsoft sends connections to Bing when you open the start menu's search feature. That's what it does: it asks Bing for things. So when you click that little box and type "Notepad", yes, it talks to an Internet search engine; how do you think it's delivering suggestions "on the web"?

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Re:Bad marketing by bluefoxlucid · 2016-05-27 06:51 · Score: 1

Some time during some night in the next 10 days, not "that night". When it's within 2 days, it asks me again.

Oh I'm glad you mentioned this, especially since every update seems to set Edge back to the default browser, and regardless of what you set your default browser too if you search via Cortana it'll open up in Edge.
I've been running Windows 10 since May, 2014 and that hasn't happened to me.

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Re:Bad marketing by thegarbz · 2016-05-27 07:16 · Score: 2

I've been running Windows 10 since May, 2014 and that hasn't happened to me.
Congratulations. Yet we hear daily of a Windows 10 nag that has caused real issues out there in the world. So far I've only lost an occasional document (recovered from autosave), but the closest thing I've found was $3000 damage to a telescope when the PC decided to reboot at 3am after the owner had gone to sleep and wasn't able to issue the command to meridian flip.
Your lovely 10 days assumes you use your PC every day. Not everone does, and those people who don't find their PC suddenly and unexpectedly rebooting, which wouldn't worry anyone if the feature could be turned off. It can't and this lack of control is indefensible.
Re:Bad marketing by cfalcon · 2016-05-27 07:19 · Score: 1

You're full of shit.
First, ABRT doesn't send crash data by default in Fedora. You can configure it to do so, I think, if you really want. Second, even if it did, you would be able to turn it off trivially, instead of Microsoft fighting you with a GUI option that can't even be set to off.
Ubuntu has been covered by the other posters.
Third, yes, if you ask dnf or yum or whatever for a program, it will then ask the server. That's not privacy invasive- that is absolutely necessary. If you want to get product A from vendor 1, you must ask vendor 1 for product A. Microsoft sending stuff to itself that it has no business knowing about, such as non-Microsoft programs, and when you use notepad, and other usage data, is a huge issue. Open any utility or program, send a packet to Microsoft. I don't know of any Linux that does anything like that at all.
Comparing Microsoft to Linux here is LUDICROUS.
Re:Bad marketing by thegarbz · 2016-05-27 07:25 · Score: 1

If a program is known to cause crashes, bugs, or otherwise conflict with Windows, Windows may remove it to keep your system stable. If this happens, the “All of your files are exactly where you left them” in the windows.old.

Oh god. So the program I paid for without warning now just no longer works and lies dormant somewhere in my system. At that point they may as well just delete it.
I used to remember that Windows upgrades did a compatibility check BEFORE upgrading and explicitly stopped and waited for you to confirm that these programs will no longer work before fucking with software the user may have paid for.
Re:Bad marketing by thegarbz · 2016-05-27 07:32 · Score: 1

That's like saying the Hindenburg was a great vehicle, majorly let down by it crashing and killing almost everybody aboard.
Well it was. The Hindenburg flew many successful flights and served many passengers ultimately only killing 35. But it wasn't the only Zeppelin in the world, and if it weren't for the one feature (filling it with hydrogen instead of helium) it would never have had an issue and would likely have kept serving many 10s of thousands of passengers more.
So yes. Windows 10 was exactly like the Hindenburg. Aside from a few turds in the design it is otherwise an excellent concept.
Re:Bad marketing by cfalcon · 2016-05-27 08:07 · Score: 1

Which is a fair assessment. The Hindenberg was supposed to use Helium- at its core, it was a good design. It was a business decision to use Hydrogen, just as it was a business decision to attach malicious behavior to many points of Windows 10. The core design wasn't incompetent, just the results.
Re:Bad marketing by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 09:55 · Score: 1

I likeWindows 8.1. Tell me something positive about Windows 10 that would make me upgrade? And don't use that lame bullshit of "you have to upgrade eventually, so go get that tooth pulled now".
Cortana - useless drivel.
Not quite there start menu?
Universal app - pointless and current examples have problems.
DirectX 12 - ok, a grand total of 2 games are missed if you don't do this, meanwhile the biggest name in PC gaming is trying to get weaned off of Windows.
Virtual desktops - that's great, they finally catch up to all their competitors by sneaking a good idea past the Windows product managers.
No improvements on security (unless you believe the liars in marketing "most secure OS evar!").
No core OS improvements, not smaller or faster.
Re:Bad marketing by PmanAce · 2016-05-27 12:22 · Score: 1

It's a technical preview version of the OS, this doesn't happen in the release version. Just re-install your software, the fix is that simple.

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Re:Bad marketing by bingoUV · 2016-05-27 16:07 · Score: 1

You answered your own question you asked here : https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...
They use shit marketing because idiots like you will do Microsoft's marketing for them.

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Re:Bad marketing by thegarbz · 2016-05-27 21:03 · Score: 1

It's a technical preview version of the OS
Given the widespread reports of this with the standard release to market version of the OS, I'm going to assume you'll just continue to stick your fingers in your ears and shout "LA LA LA".
Re:Bad marketing by Hognoxious · 2016-06-03 07:19 · Score: 1

If you're running any form of Windows unattended for something important you're a fool.

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Re:-1 Repetitive by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 04:33 · Score: 2, Insightful

Are you talking about the "warnings" where your only two options are "now" or "later" and clicking the X to close the dialog installs Windows 10?

Not with 1,000 condoms. by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 04:36 · Score: 1

IMO Windows 10 is to privacy what 95/98 was to stability.

KB3035583 is Optional...not Recommended by CrashNBrn · 2016-05-27 04:37 · Score: 1

On my system, KB3035583 - is an optional update.

OPTIONAL Windows Updates:

"Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems"

KB3035583, KB3084905, KB3102429, KB3103616, KB3103709, KB3123862, KB3125424, KB3138378, KB3139923, KB3145384, KB3146604, KB3146627, KB3146751, KB3146978, KB3149157, KB3150513, KB3156418

Microsoft Silverlight (KB3126036)
Skype for Windows desktop 7.3 (KB2876229)

Although I have previously installed|run UltimateOutsider's GWX Control Panel.

Re:KB3035583 is Optional...not Recommended by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 04:47 · Score: 1

Its listed as an important update for me, along with patch KB2952664, both of which I had previously hidden.
Re:KB3035583 is Optional...not Recommended by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 05:35 · Score: 1

Just wait for it to roll out to you.
Re:KB3035583 is Optional...not Recommended by CrashNBrn · 2016-06-05 16:36 · Score: 1

9 Days later. KB3035583 is STILL an optional update.

Software should cater to the user by HalAtWork · 2016-05-27 04:39 · Score: 3, Insightful

If you want software that helps you do what you want, then clearly don't get windows.

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Re:Software should cater to the user by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 10:33 · Score: 1

But it's sofware that helps you do what Microsoft wants!

Re:-1 Repetitive by jbmartin6 · 2016-05-27 04:40 · Score: 2

No, I'm talking about the notification that says "Since you have recommended updates enabled you will get the recommended update. Go here to disable recommended updates." There is no warning where clicking the X installs the update, in that case it merely lets the update proceed as scheduled, much as anyone would expect when closing a notification.

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Aand so it came to be ... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 04:41 · Score: 5, Funny

... that of all the companies in the world, it was Microsoft itself who finally launched Year Of The Linux Desktop.

Re:Aand so it came to be ... by rasmusbr · 2016-05-27 06:43 · Score: 1

... that of all the companies in the world, it was Microsoft itself who finally launched Year Of The Linux Desktop.
Yeah either that or the Android desktop, where we'll apparently be expected to pay for upgrades... Or so I read somewhere.

They want the home users off Win7, period. by ErichTheRed · 2016-05-27 04:42 · Score: 4, Interesting

I don't agree with how they're doing it, but the simple fact is that Microsoft is totally done supporting Windows 7 for home users. They're desperate to avoid another Windows XP-style upgrade cycle. Even getting Win7 support for businesses is getting trickier; Microsoft has basically announced that the next revision of business PCs won't natively support Windows 7, and support is limited to a very small list of business-only PCs...so they're not killing support, but just making it really hard to get it.

I'm hoping they'll soften their stance on Windows as a Service and go back to a more traditional release timeframe, but for home users that kind of model is the right choice. Grandma isn't running crazy custom VB6 applications that can't be modernized and must work. She is, however, an inexperienced computer user who is probably happy with a remote servicing model, just like iOS.

Under the hood and without the spyware/Cortana/Store, Windows 10 is actually a good upgrade. It has decent performance on low end hardware. Now that Windows Phone is all but dead, I'm hoping they'll start loosening some of the mobile-inspired UI decisions they made and start allowing custom theming again. The second someone comes up with a Windows 7 look-alike theme for Windows 10, I'm sure a huge chunk of users will move to 10. I skipped Windows 8 because I hated the UI so much, for example, and didn't come back until 8.1's last update.

Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 05:42 · Score: 1

Much as I hate to, I agree. With the new Spybot Anti-becon, https://www.safer-networking.o... it is actually reasonable other then the ugly phone UI which should go away now. But I still the the options will look better in 4 years when Win7 support ends.
Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by QuietLagoon · 2016-05-27 05:42 · Score: 2

I don't agree with how they're doing it, but the simple fact is that Microsoft is totally done supporting Windows 7 for home users.
Windows 7 until 2020, baby, 2020.
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Microsoft has stated they will support Windows 7 until the year 2020. They cannot renege on that. Otherwise who would believe them when they say they won't make Windows 10 a monthly subscription service?
Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by Tharkkun · 2016-05-27 07:26 · Score: 1

I don't agree with how they're doing it, but the simple fact is that Microsoft is totally done supporting Windows 7 for home users.
Windows 7 until 2020, baby, 2020.
. Microsoft has stated they will support Windows 7 until the year 2020. They cannot renege on that. Otherwise who would believe them when they say they won't make Windows 10 a monthly subscription service?
Security fixes. They haven't released a feature pack or improved any features since Service Pack 1.
Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · 2016-05-27 07:33 · Score: 2

Under the hood and without the spyware/Cortana/Store, Windows 10 is actually a good upgrade.
That is a great endorsement. If you ignore all the bad, what remains must be good. By definition.

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Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by Agent0013 · 2016-05-27 07:54 · Score: 1

Yeah, but when I search about a Linux problem I will find answers. Maybe several different ones depending on which installation or configuration you have, but one of them will solve the problem. When I search for problems on Windows I find nothing and no solutions. The simplest fix for a Windows system is a full reinstall and that is the first thing I try once the system gets bad.

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Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by blind+biker · 2016-05-27 07:56 · Score: 2

The second someone comes up with a Windows 7 look-alike theme for Windows 10, I'm sure a huge chunk of users will move to 10. I skipped Windows 8 because I hated the UI so much, for example, and didn't come back until 8.1's last update.
You seriously think people are avoiding Windows 10 because of the looks? Are you fucking high?

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Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by cfalcon · 2016-05-27 08:20 · Score: 1

Because the Windows fixes are never ending. And you can't be positive that they work now, and you definitely can't be positive that they work then. Also lol@5 minutes. If you "fixed" your Windows 10 in 5 minutes, pop open a wireshark and then do stuff locally, like search bar locally and run programs locally. Did you fix it? Hrm...
Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by Lead+Butthead · 2016-05-27 09:25 · Score: 1

Microsoft has stated they will support Windows 7 until the year 2020. They cannot renege on that. Otherwise who would believe them when they say they won't make Windows 10 a monthly subscription service?
Coming from a company that doesn't take NO for an answer, I would not put too much faith in any promise they made after they already have your money.

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Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 10:37 · Score: 1

Under the hood and without the spyware/Cortana/Store, Windows 10 is actually a good upgrade.
So except for all the bad aspects, it's a pretty good product, then, eh? That's quite the ringing endorsement.
Under the hood without spyware/Cortana/Edge/store, Windows 10 is actually Windows 8.1.
Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by toddestan · 2016-05-27 13:26 · Score: 1

As far as I'm concerned they are barely keeping their promise anyway, considering how broken Windows Update is in Windows 7. It's been like that for over a year now too, so at this point I figure Microsoft just doesn't give a shit about fixing it.
I mean, yes Microsoft still updates Windows 7, if you can tolerate the hours and hours of svchost.exe and trustedinstaller.exe at 100%, and chewing up 2G+ of ram.
Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by hirvonen · 2016-05-27 14:53 · Score: 1

Did not realize that in 2020 times are _that_ tough!
( I bet nobody is going to get that reference( https://www.youtube.com/watch?... ))
Re:They want the home users off Win7, period. by sydbarrett74 · 2016-05-27 19:41 · Score: 1

Under the hood without spyware/Cortana/Edge/store, Windows 10 is actually Windows 8.1.
That's actually false. Windows 10 has a streamlined kernel that furthers the work of the original MinWin project beyond what 8.x had implemented (with positive implications both for resource usage and security), and such things as the new Ubuntu environment coming with the Anniversary Update. 10 may have its (grave and potentially pernicious) flaws, but denying that it has some genuinely beneficial advancements beyond 8.x is to ignore reality.

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Linux by mfh · 2016-05-27 04:46 · Score: 2

Yup, Microsoft are still cunts.

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Other "updates" as well by JustAnotherOldGuy · 2016-05-27 04:47 · Score: 1

There are several "updates" in the latest batch that have to do with upgrading, including some in the "Optional" updates section.

I found 3 or 4 Win 10 upgrade packages in the "recommended" section and at least 2 in the "Optional" section.

Fucking Microsoft, how many times do I have to say "NO"?

What part of "NO" seemed unclear the first 5 times??

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Re:Other "updates" as well by burni2 · 2016-05-27 04:51 · Score: 1

I think a feminist should teach Microsoft that "No" really means "No" and that denying a fist in the ass is also covered by that first "No".
Re:Other "updates" as well by JustAnotherOldGuy · 2016-05-27 05:36 · Score: 1

I think it's both sad and illuminating how desperate they are to get Win 10 on everyone's PCs.
Having to force the "adoption" of their newest OS is a clear indication of how few people want it, and the lengths they're going to (deception, scheduled updates, ignoring people's refusal over and over again) smack of a heavy-handed mindset.

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Re:still don't care by LichtSpektren · 2016-05-27 04:48 · Score: 1

It's only "useful" because there are billions of dollars of legacy x86 programs and drivers written for it. The core of the OS is inferior in just about every way to the Unixes.

Where are the Linux system vendors? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 04:48 · Score: 1

I first started using Linux as a desktop OS in 2005 (Ubuntu 5.04). At the time, the few people that knew I was using it at home thought I was a kook. I didn't try changing any of their minds. I just told them that I like the stability and power it gave me over my files.

Over the past 11 years I enjoyed the stability of Linux-based systems and learned a bit about the various distributions. I used to install updated OSs every 6 months for new features, but now settle on Linux Mind LTS releases whenever they come out.

And now the people that know me as the local tech geek ask me about Windows 10 and I just shrug and say I use Linux. Instead of disdain, they now show interest. Asking about pre-installed computers versus Mac versus iOS.

I generally push them towards a Mac (for those that produce content) or iOS (for those that just browse the web).

And for the rare person that wants to know more, I'll burn them a Linux Mint live CD and tell them to give it a spin before installing it.

Re:What is the end game here? by OhPlz · 2016-05-27 04:49 · Score: 1

If you use Media Center, that's one reason. It's not supported in Win10. If you like being able to control updates, that's not supported in Win10 either. You can choose to "defer" updates, but Windows basically ignores that setting. If you don't want your PC waking up at odd hours of the night to do God knows what, Win10 doesn't support it. Even if you disable wake timers in power management, Win10 still honors some of its own wake timers. You disable those scheduled maintenance tasks, but Windows eventually re-enables them. If you have updates staged and don't have time to let them install, Win10 eventually does it anyway. No way to cancel it once it decides it's time. Doing a software build or some other long running task? Tough. Win10 doesn't care.

Basically, if you want to run Windows apps and still own your PC, you can't install Win10. If you want to transfer ownership of your PC to Redmond, that's the only thing Win10 supports.

Oh and ads in the fucking start menu. What the hell.

It's a shame because Win10 could have been a decent product.

Re:-1 Repetitive by Aaden42 · 2016-05-27 04:50 · Score: 2

Given Microsoft’s recent position on gender sensitivity kind of things (Microsoft hires danders for GDC after-party), I kind of wonder if they subscribe to the, “20 No’s and a Yes is still a Yes” cult of consent.

Re:still don't care by TangoMargarine · 2016-05-27 04:52 · Score: 2

"only"

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Re:-1 Repetitive by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 04:55 · Score: 1

When you expressly uncheck and hide an update, this is not permission. As a matter of fact, it is explicitly the opposite of permission. And re-enabling it is going directly against your previously expressed intent. Speciffically, expressed on May 3, March 23, Feb. 23, and Dec. 15 and then in 2015 on Oct. 5, Oct. 1, July 9, May 14, April 3, or March 27 which we all times this specific update was unhidden against your wishes.

Re:What is the end game here? by istartedi · 2016-05-27 04:55 · Score: 1

The end-game is to convince Microsoft to go back to being what they used to be: A company that sold us an OS. It wasn't free, but it did what WE wanted. That was the bargain. We pay once, and only once, and only with MONEY, not with our personal data. It wasn't open source, but it was open (enough) API and that was a compromise that a lot of us liked. The current bargain that they are offering is along the lines of "I have altered the bargain, pray that I don't alter it any further".

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Re:-1 Repetitive by LichtSpektren · 2016-05-27 04:58 · Score: 4, Funny

Just because you masturbate nightly to your Windows 7 Home Edition every night before bed doesn't mean most of the world wouldn't want to upgrade to the latest, most secure version of the operating system that powers 90% of the world. Fuck.

You make a good point. I would in fact like to upgrade to "the latest, most secure version of the operating system that powers 90% of the world" -- I'll get to compiling Linux 4.7 tonight.

Re:What is the end game here? by bill_mcgonigle · 2016-05-27 04:59 · Score: 1

I get that Windows 10 may over-tax some hardware, but again, what is the endgame? Is running a deprecated Windows OS a viable strategy, content/security/functionality wise?

Windows 7 gets four more years of updates. Most people in this position are waiting for a better option (better Linux desktop, perhaps) or hoping that Microsoft will have backed down on the spyware they require in Windows 10 by then. Some just have software that fails on Windows 10.

Heck, it's not impossible, given current overtures, that Windows 10 won't be running a linux kernel by 2020. There's just not a huge value for most people to upgrade. Almost all of the benefits accrue to Microsoft.

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Re:still don't care by vtcodger · 2016-05-27 05:00 · Score: 1

In fairness, Windows 95 was a decent, inexpensive, usable, OS that ran multiple applications pretty well on very limited equipment (... well ... OK ... you did have to install about 25 service packs to get it to work well). All downhill from there regrettably.

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Re:Swallow both pills? by barc0001 · 2016-05-27 05:04 · Score: 2

> Who gives a shit?

Because if people in the tech industry who work with it on a daily basis won't use it for a desktop OS, why the hell would some grandma?

> BTW, word of mouth is spreading. Even TBBT comedy TV show references Linux and Ubuntu in at least one episode.

I've been watching word of mouth spread for 20 years. Still ain't happening. I had modest hope for SteamOS to give some exposure through preloaded Steam boxes but even that isn't going so well. And a few mentions on TBBT or Mr. Robot aren't going to convince anyone who wasn't already thinking about it to take the plunge. "Oh it's easy, you just download the .ISO and then burn it onto a DVD and then install. Oh, don't have blanks? No problem, get the .ISO still and then get one of your thumb drives and then download and install Linux Live USB creator. Then open that, find the .ISO file and choose the correct drive for your thumb drive. Make sure you get that right, don't want to accidentally wipe out your machine. Then set the amount of persistent memory and... hey, where are you going? I thought you wanted to try Linux out?"

It's not "raining shills" it's raining realists. Sorry reality sucks but there it is.

Re:Swallow both pills? by LichtSpektren · 2016-05-27 05:12 · Score: 1

> Who gives a shit?

Because if people in the tech industry who work with it on a daily basis won't use it for a desktop OS, why the hell would some grandma?

Linux on the desktop has a 1% market share -- doesn't sound like much, but keep in mind that's something like 500 million computers.

Grandma can get on just fine with Linux. Please stop spreading this stupid myth.

Re:Swallow both pills? by LichtSpektren · 2016-05-27 05:13 · Score: 1

Correction: *50 million.

Laptop cannot upgrade, lack of drivers.. by DraKKon · 2016-05-27 05:15 · Score: 1

This pisses me off. My wife's laptop can't upgrade to 8.1 or 10 because there are a lack of drivers, which makes the upgraded laptop unstable and unusable. I've already wasted two weekends to down grade the OS from 8.1 and 10 back to 8.0. If I have to do this AGAIN because of MSFT, I'm going to get my wife a Mac.

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Re:Laptop cannot upgrade, lack of drivers.. by Tsingi · 2016-05-27 06:08 · Score: 1

And put Linux on the battered laptop. She might like it!

Re:-1 Repetitive by LichtSpektren · 2016-05-27 05:19 · Score: 5, Funny

So you can run Windows 7 in a VM?

Running Windows in a VM is like lowering the toilet lid without flushing. The shit might be contained, but it still stinks.

What gets me the most... by ilsaloving · 2016-05-27 05:23 · Score: 1

What really gets me the most, is the fact that they do not support free upgrades from Vista. Only from Windows 7 and up. If their upgrade problem had included Vista, people would have cheered them on. With It is becoming more and more common for software to have Windows 7 as a minimum requirement, this would have helped out a small number of people who basically have machines that would still be usable if not for the boat anchor of an OS.

But no, they're forcing people with perfectly usable machines to upgrade, and rubbing salt in the wound of people who are stuck with an entire generation of PCs that are still servicable but are basically just waiting to be tossed into the landfill because no one in their right mind is going to pay Microsoft's absurd upgrade pricing. (Unless they install linux or pirate windows).

This behaviour is so breathtakingly obnoxious that it just confirms to me that despite all the gesticulations and claims that Microsoft has "mended their ways", they've clearly not mended them at all. (Insert comparisons to abusive spouses, here) Being malicious douchebags has been firmly ingrained into Microsoft's DNA, as it's been since it's founding with Bill Gates.

Re:Fedora? Mint? Whatever you want. by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 05:25 · Score: 1

To be fair, both "solutions" will create new problems. But perhaps less problematic then what Microsoft is pushing.

Re:What is the end game here? by Bigbutt · 2016-05-27 05:28 · Score: 1

It's really not Windows that's the issue. It's the vendors that don't support perfectly good equipment on newer versions of Windows.

I have an old HP Scanner that was perfectly functional on my Windows XP system. And it worked on my Windows 7 system using the internal scanning tool of Microsoft. It doesn't work on Windows 10 however.

I have a Sony Handycam that records to tape. The software to retrieve the video from the tape only works on Windows XP. I can't get it working in VirtualBox running XP on my Windows 7 system.

My nVidia cards (couple of older 560's) don't work with Windows 10 but work fine on Windows 7 (well, as far as the driver monkeys go anyway).

Neither of these systems needs to be on the 'net. They're just in place to let me keep using the other hardware that works fine on XP or 7.

On the flip side, a clean install of Windows 10 Pro on a brand new system (bought and built back in January) has a known audio buzzing problem. Playing videos or songs, or watching YouTube has the audio *buzzzz* for a second or two.

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Warning trigger background updates by TiggertheMad · 2016-05-27 05:29 · Score: 1

Microsoft, stop raping me with your updates, no means no. I know that I was 'asking for it' by running the automatic updates, but now I just want to go home, take a long crying shower, and put on some shapeless baggy Linux kernels.

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Re:-1 Repetitive by Qzukk · 2016-05-27 05:36 · Score: 2, Insightful

Given the red X debacle it's "20 Nos and a no answer means Yes"

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What the hell Microsoft?! - WHY?!?!?! by the_skywise · 2016-05-27 05:36 · Score: 1

This makes NO SENSE as a business. Let alone disrespecting your consumers you're actively HARMING many of your consumers and actively fomenting HATRED for your product let alone your brand name and for what purpose?!

For better adware rates? Really? Who wants to buy ads on your OS that everyone hates?
To save some money on patches and code because you only have to maintain one code base? No one wants to buy your software now so hey, you're going to save LOTS of money on maintenance!

The only thing this points to is Microsoft is getting ready to close their ecosystem and the only way they can do that is get them all onto Windows 10 and then force all software through the windows store - which I'm sure is baked into the Windows 10 EULA.

I've had to actively fight and repair 4 friends and family members systems over the past few weeks who suddenly woke up with Windows 10 on their systems when they explicitly - EXPLICITLY CLICKED NO on the upgrade!

Now you're telling me *I* have to go back and confirm that the upgrade box I explicitly made hidden on my PCs will now be unchecked?! FU!

Re:What the hell Microsoft?! - WHY?!?!?! by the_skywise · 2016-05-27 05:38 · Score: 1

And it REALLY better not be something stupid like Nadella gets ONE MILLYUN shares of MS stock if he makes his Windows 10 install numbers...

Re:-1 Repetitive by jbmartin6 · 2016-05-27 05:38 · Score: 1

Oh I agree it's an annoying approach by MS. But why are you still opted in to recommended updates after the first two or three cycles? They've made it clear that anyone with recommended updates enabled is going to get the upgrade. Declining any specific instance of it isn't going to prevent that. I've always run without recommended updates and am problem-free.

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Re:What is the end game here? by houstonbofh · 2016-05-27 05:38 · Score: 1

Are people planning to never upgrade?

Yes, because in 4 years when support ends they will be buying a new computer. And at that point there may be other options then Windows 10, be it Windows 11, Mac, Linux, or Droid for Desktops. :) Who know what the future may hold.

Re:Swallow both pills? by barc0001 · 2016-05-27 05:43 · Score: 1

Grandma CAN get on fine with it, if it was easy to get it to her. That's the hurdle. It's not a stupid myth, the problem is reinforced by people like you who don't recognize the actual roadblocks with adoption. Let's get real here, straight up Linux on the desktop will never take majority market share away from Windows. If Microsoft loses the desktop crown it's almost certainly going to go to ChromeOS, Android, or one of their descendants. Chromebooks already have more market share than Linux on the desktop does, and it's growing year over year - over 12 million of them in the last 2 years.

And even with your correction I have severe difficulty believing there are 5 billion desktops in the world. 5 billion computers, sure.

(1) move users over, (2) monthly subscription fee by QuietLagoon · 2016-05-27 05:44 · Score: 1

The aggression with which Microsoft is trying to push people to Windows 10 makes the monthly subscription fee for the Windows service appear all the more likely.

Re:Swallow both pills? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 05:50 · Score: 3, Insightful

And now realists are pointing out the level of hypocritical bullshit in claiming that "oh just go into the registry and flip this bit and then go set this GPO" or "google this random application and download it and run it with admin privileges" is now how grandma is expected to set up her computer on an OS that people keep claiming is "ready for the desktop".

Oh, don't have blanks? No problem, get the .ISO still and then get one of your thumb drives and then run Windows Installer creator. Then open that, find the .ISO file and choose the correct drive for your thumb drive. Make sure you get that right, don't want to accidentally wipe out your machine. Hey, where are you going? I thought you wanted to try installing a slipstreamed Windows image with service packs and working drivers!

FTFY. The only thing windows has going for it is that it comes "free" with the computer already installed. That's the only reason it has a 95% or whatever market share.

Re:-1 Repetitive by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-27 06:00 · Score: 1, Insightful

If Microsoft could somehow figure a way to roofie Win7/8 users who continue to deny its Win10 advances, I bet it would.

Win10 whack-a-mole. by Tsingi · 2016-05-27 06:03 · Score: 1

What an apt description! I used to love whack-a-mole.

Re:Fedora? Mint? Whatever you want. by clintre · 2016-05-27 06:05 · Score: 1

And cause a whole lot more problems for the majority of computer users. Which distro? How do I get a driver for my sound, network, etc. As much as I love and use Linux there is no way the majority of people can't use it without a major learning curve. It simply does not work across the board on every system. As far as it has come it still is not easy for a non-techie to get setup and going.

Elementary OS by fluffernutter · 2016-05-27 06:12 · Score: 2

I've been trying out Elementary OS and it seems pretty spectacular so far. Much smother then any linux I have seen in awhile. Just thought I would mention it.

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It's not Microsoft! by Black+Parrot · 2016-05-27 06:17 · Score: 1

It's just the economy's Invisible Hand pushing you toward the best product!

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Re:-1 Repetitive by Holi · 2016-05-27 06:39 · Score: 1

No, I have actively taken steps to NOT install this update, including hiding the update so it does not get installed. Microsoft is changing permissions on MY computer without MY authorization. I have done my due diligence in not giving them permission.

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Re:-1 Repetitive by Holi · 2016-05-27 06:44 · Score: 1

When it is the same KB number that you have previously hidden, and Microsoft has a history of not unhiding updates, their current policy of changing your settings for this particular update only are suspect.

Why should I have to deny ALL recommended updates just because they are ignoring functionality they themselves created?

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Re:Fedora? Mint? Whatever you want. by cfalcon · 2016-05-27 06:55 · Score: 1

> Which distro?

Whatever works for them. There's plenty of big ones to choose from.

> How do I get a driver for my sound, network, etc.

For sound and network, this is a pretty 2003 problem. Those work without drama. For less universal hardware you can still have to download it from a manufacturer's website, but the same is true with Windows. I haven't seen Linux fail to instantly understand graphics, sound, networking, memory, hard drives, solid state drives, or optical drives in over a decade.

> It simply does not work across the board on every system.
Neither does Windows.

Using Linux does require more effort than using Windows. But when it comes to the basics, it is absolutely solid. The bigger issue a Windows user faces is that some programs will inevitable not have Linux versions, or the Linux replacements will be a lot less functional.

But if the alternative is windows 10, lets be real here, that's some creepy nonsense.

Re:-1 Repetitive by Agent0013 · 2016-05-27 07:00 · Score: 1

I run without any updates at all and am problem free. Except for the link to the fake Chrome install that IE led me to right after I installed and I have some stupid driver pop-ups. But that is due to Bing search not knowing how to find the site I would like and sending me to malware. Now MS is giving the malware directly. That is what I expect of them and that is why I do not install any updates.

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Re:-1 Repetitive by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 07:09 · Score: 1

No means no.

You gotta let it go!

Re:still don't care by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 07:18 · Score: 1

Unix developers, especially FOSS develoopers for BSD and Linux, try to make a good OS and provide a good infrastructure under the hood. Ie, better performance, smaller code, consistency across the system, and so forth. Occasionally there are misguided Unix devs intent on adding poorly thought out features (systemd, pulseaudio, Unity, etc), but they're in the minority. At Microsoft though, according to ex MS devs, adding new features is a top priority, just behind urgent security patches, whereas improving the infrastructure is so low down on the list that it never happens. Which is why the best way to improve performance in Windows is to do a fresh install.

Haha....oh, jeez. This statement - by CaptnCrud · 2016-05-27 07:25 · Score: 1

"....Chinese news outlet Xinhua reports that plenty of users in China are unhappy about Microsoft's push to get them to mandatorily upgrade their Windows OS."

As if anyone in that entire country paid for a legit version of windows....

Re:-1 Repetitive by jbmartin6 · 2016-05-27 07:32 · Score: 1

To avoid the push to update to Windows 10, I expect. Recommended updates aren't especially valuable from what I've seen. These are not the various patch Tuesday security updates, the recommended updates are mostly useless things like keyboard driver updates.

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Win 10 sucks by GeekyThomas · 2016-05-27 07:39 · Score: 1

I had installed windows ten. It then messed up my 2TB harddrive. Now I reinstalled 7 and it obviously isnt eligable for whatever reason so i havnt been bothered by the windows 10 updates. Sticking with 7 as long as i ruddy can though. Then it will probably be linux.

Built-in ads by phorm · 2016-05-27 07:53 · Score: 1

I'll take "advertisements in the start menu tiles" for $1,000,000 Alex

China and Europe by phorm · 2016-05-27 07:54 · Score: 1

If enough people in China get pissed off, the government may decide to lean on Microsoft for this. What I'm really wondering though, is why the EU hasn't come down on them like a megaton of bricks for this crap. They're usually pretty good about dropping the hammer on stupid sh*t like this.

Re:China and Europe by mschwanke97402 · 2016-05-27 11:29 · Score: 1

If enough people in China get pissed off, the government may decide to lean on Microsoft for this. What I'm really wondering though, is why the EU hasn't come down on them like a megaton of bricks for this crap. They're usually pretty good about dropping the hammer on stupid sh*t like this.
The kids in Brussels are busy doing Google right now. Give them a few months or a year and they'll get around to Microsoft & GWX. It'll be too late to make any difference to us but the folks in Brussels will be collecting the fine from Microsoft and swimming in all those sweet Euros not too far down the road.

Re:still don't care by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 07:56 · Score: 1

Registry was a bad idea that got cemented into place. They wanted to fix the clumsy config file method they used, which was a good goal, but having a centralised database was not the wisest approach. Then they went ahead and put just about everything into that registry (probably some edict to do so from on high) and it became a horrible mess. As i recall they actually required programs to use the registry before you could get your "Works with Windows 95" sticker.

Re:What is the end game here? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · 2016-05-27 08:07 · Score: 1

Don't you know you need to buy new hardware every time you upgrade, even if what you have is still perfectly functional /sarcasm.

I have a film scanner I bought well over 10 years ago and initially used it on a Win 98 box when that was still supported. It will scan in 35mm and medium format film at 19,200 vertical dpi X 19,200 horizontal dpi with a color depth of 16 bits per channel all in hardware but is USB 1.1 (I don't believe it is USB 2.0 but I could be wrong). I doubt that hardware is supported in Win 10 and if it isn't I would need to spends a substantial amount of money to replace it with one that is. It is slow but it works and also is a better device for what I use it for than a regular flatbed scanners as it was designed and calibrated to scan film.

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Re:What is the end game here? by cfalcon · 2016-05-27 08:16 · Score: 1

> Are people planning to never upgrade?

Possibly.

Windows users have been waiting for an update to Windows 7 for years. Waiting for more years makes some sense. In the next several years, any of these could happen:

1- Microsoft could temporarily de-evil long enough to make a version of Windows 10 worth using, or a Windows 11.
2- Apple could come out with a Mac, and that could be your next upgrade.
3- You could always Linux

Running 7 until one of these transpires is entirely rational. Microsoft is pushing hard by producing products that don't work under Windows 7, but the rest of the industry will probably not make that leap for years.

Re:It Reappears Every Week by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 08:19 · Score: 1

I'm going to try Never10. That lets you update to KB3035583 and others but it won't download windows 10 or show you ads. It sets group policy to disallow it even if you're not on an enterprise version of windows. GWX Control Panel is good but with that it's still a never ending game of wack-a-mole.

Re:Swallow both pills? by barc0001 · 2016-05-27 08:52 · Score: 1

Nowadays, but even that isn't strictly necessary. In the olden days most computers both came preloaded and had a CD/DVD copy of Windows or the OEM's cut of it. And back then a reinstall was no big deal for a novice either, I found that out when talking to my sister about a problem she was having with Thunderbird. She couldn't figure out how to fix the problem or uninstall Thunderbird so her solution was to pop in the Windows disc and *do a full-wipe reinstall of Windows*. I happened to catch her when she was about to do it for the 4th time and showed her how to fix Thunderbird instead.

These days there's no disc so you have to create your own backup media but again with most OEM machines there's a big friendly wizard that will talk you through that step by step. And there's also a big friendly "Factory Reset" button in those same OEM utilities that does a wipe-restore of Windows with a single click.

So not quite the same, but the potential for mayhem is admittedly still there.

Insanity by gardas · 2016-05-27 08:54 · Score: 1

Or maybe past insanity at this point. Lots of people still rely on software that does not yet support Windows 10 for their jobs. This is an OS for goodness sake...

Re:-1 Repetitive by DoofusOfDeath · 2016-05-27 09:01 · Score: 1

Jesus Christ, we get it. Microsoft recommends people upgrade their operating system to the newest one. Big fucking deal, let it go. Reading Slashdot means like I'm continually kept updated on whenever Microsoft recommends people to upgrade. I don't need to be in on the loop about it.

You didn't read the article. It's not Microsoft "recommending people" upgrade to to Win10. What they've done is actively circumvent the people that explicitly chose to deny the Windows 7/8.1 update KB 3035583 that installs GWX ("Get Windows 10"), which is the malware that silently downloads Windows 10 and tries to install it without the user's permission.

I wonder if Microsoft's EULA is a bullet-proof defense against someone claiming that they're violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, via clearly unauthorized access.

Re:-1 Repetitive by DoofusOfDeath · 2016-05-27 09:06 · Score: 2

So you can run Windows 7 in a VM?

Running Windows in a VM is like lowering the toilet lid without flushing. The shit might be contained, but it still stinks.

So running a Linux VM on a Windows host is like an upper-decker?

Re:Swallow both pills? by dwywit · 2016-05-27 10:01 · Score: 1

I believe it was XP that last had the option for a "repair install". Used it many times and it worked well.

Everything since has "startup repair" (which doesn't), or an install that *might" save your files and settings, but probably not your software. You can't even do the "in-place upgrade" without windows actually running first, so if it won't start windows, you're back to square 1. I don't think I've ever had a successful "startup repair". Even command-line access to fixboot, fixmbr, etc has never worked - so it's extract the disc, copy the user files, format and re-install.

Bring back "Repair install", I say!

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Re:What is the end game here? by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 10:05 · Score: 1

Yes. Running a deprecated OS that is highly vulnerable to theoretical malware may be better than upgrading to Windows 10. If it all breaks down, then switch to Linux with the deprecated Windows version running in a VMware without network access. But these older systems are still supported until 2020 at the last, some may be supported longer (we can get security updates longer than the other features). Many of the actually useful features will never be backported to older operating systems anyway, as that's always been Microsoft's strategy.

We run anti-malware programs precisely to avoid the sorts of activities that Microsoft is engaged in: spying on you, presenting advertisements, changing your software without permission, uninstalling your programs, and taking remote control of your system.

Over all, we'd rather shoot ourselves in the foot than have Microsoft shoot us in the foot.

Re:What is the end game here? by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 10:12 · Score: 1

Windows 7 was the most expensive component for many PCs. Usually the cost is hidden or reduced because of forced deals with OEMs (ie, the whole monopoly business). But if you didn't have an OEM system then that OS cost was very noticeable especially on lower end desktop PCs with commodity parts.

Also their Windows was also their way to get customers to also be using their real money maker of Office, and get the users locked into it. Again, the monopoly thing means you get to use product A to gain market share on product B. Microsoft sold Xbox at a profit loss for a few years, precisely so that they could make headway into a new market already dominated by others with more skills and experience. So it makes sense that Microsoft can sell the OS at a steep discount, even make it free, and still make money. The whole reason they've got insane and trying to trick people into Windows 10 is because they'll make money off of that free OS.

I'm holding off until they pay me to install Windows 10. Then I'll install it ten times a day.

Re:What is the end game here? by Darinbob · 2016-05-27 10:19 · Score: 1

7 years for Windows 8.1. Great for procrastinators like me.

KB3035583 Important? by mschwanke97402 · 2016-05-27 11:16 · Score: 1

KB3035583 is appearing as a pre-checked, IMPORTANT update on many systems I am working on in my shop. WTF??

If I don't take act on this limited opportunity... by OrangeTide · 2016-05-27 11:26 · Score: 1

Eventually the free upgrades to Windows 10 will stop being available and I might be stuck with Windows 7.
Of course if I do want Windows 10 (doubtful), I can always buy it and install it (it's like $100).
Or do what the vast majority of users do, buy a new computer that comes with Windows 10.

What is the fucking urgency from Microsoft to update to Windows 10?

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Re:This is become a public health issue by OrangeTide · 2016-05-27 11:28 · Score: 1

your IT guy can disable the policy of upgrades as part of the group policy. If your computer access is important to the health and well-being of your patients, you would be irresponsible for not hiring the best IT guy you can afford.

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Re:This is become a public health issue by OrangeTide · 2016-05-27 11:29 · Score: 1

s/guy//

My regional accent considers "guy" to be gender neutral, but if your accent considers it masculine, please don't use my statement as an excuse to exclude women from your IT positions.

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How about KB2952664? by fuckface · 2016-05-27 11:35 · Score: 1

When I went to hide 3035583 I found that 2952664 had been re-added to the optional updates list. I know I hid it at least twice before. Getting sick of this game of whack-a-mole.

Re:Fedora? Mint? Whatever you want. by Pikoro · 2016-05-27 14:08 · Score: 1

I walked my mother through installing Mint on her laptop. Then downloaded a Windows 10 theme for it. She can't even tell the difference.

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The issue is deliberate, extensive ABUSE. by Futurepower(R) · 2016-05-27 14:09 · Score: 1

It's likely that you know more about some of the technical issues than I. However, here are my ideas:

You said, "Don't automatically install Recommended updates. Only security updates."

Microsoft has shown itself, again and again, to be an extremely abusive company. (Not following standards in IE 6, for example.) The recent tricks with Windows 10 have shown that Microsoft could possibly release a "security update" that has hidden purposes.

" If you're a business then run an internal WSUS server."

Again, Microsoft could release an "update" to the server that would give Microsoft more control.

"There's a big difference between stop/break fixes and minor inconveniences."

The issue is deliberate, extensive ABUSE, not "minor inconveniences".

Managers at Microsoft, like former Microsoft CEO Monkey Boy, for example, have such limited social ability that they are not able to avoid being self-destructive. They don't see that taking control of customer's computers will eventually have a very bad result.

Who do I bill for the malware ? by speedlaw · 2016-05-27 14:30 · Score: 1

We have a gamer in the house, with the usual overpowered machine, running 7. 10 was being avoided, until the "x out" window that really meant "load windows 10" was hit. I always thought that was a malware trick circa 1998, but I guess it is a classic. Boom ! A stable system 7 goes blooey. If you use a netgear wifi card to get ac, you will jam up the machine and until you figure out you need to remove the netgear card, you will lose your mind. Bonus points for the fact that you lose wifi entirely. Two hours of Googling and trial and error reveal that Windows 10 and Netgear cards sometimes don't get along. So, I lose two hours and a card that under 7 had a rock steady 300 mbs connection, for a program that loaded under false pretenses for a user who tried his best to avoid.

Re:ANDROID & iOS is winning... by Sperbels · 2016-05-27 15:34 · Score: 1

Good. I liked computers a lot more 80s and 90s when it was a nice little exclusive club for nerds.

Re:-1 Repetitive by JustBoo · 2016-05-28 02:08 · Score: 1

Oh I agree it's an annoying approach by MS. But why are you still opted in to recommended updates after the first two or three cycles? They've made it clear that anyone with recommended updates enabled is going to get the upgrade. Declining any specific instance of it isn't going to prevent that. I've always run without recommended updates and am problem-free.

Let's get this straight. You are "blaming the victim?"

Microsoft's shill is blaming the victim. Microsoft, acting like a rapist, is blaming the victim of its actions.

Job well done Mr. Microsoft Shill. We now know Microsoft's official position (pun intended) on shoving 'things' down people throats. Yes, well done indeed.

Why updates? by Askmum · 2016-05-29 18:51 · Score: 1

Since I had Windows 7 on my computer I have never used the Microsoft update service. I disabled it immediately. My computer has never been compromised, I have never had a virus, it is not hacked.

Re: ANDROID & iOS is winning... by Sperbels · 2016-05-31 01:58 · Score: 1

No. If desktops are vanishing, then they'll be exclusive clubs for nerds.

Class action... by martinfb · 2016-06-01 06:24 · Score: 1

It certainly seems very appropriate to have a major class action suit files against both Microsoft and the CEO Nadella. Who the F!@& do thy think they are?! I demand my rights back, and your hands 'cuffed' from ever doing anything like this again! People of earth: WAKE UP! Boycott Microsoft! Discard their products until amend are made!

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