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GE Considers Scrapping The Annual Raise (bloomberg.com)

A user shares a report that details General Electric's rethinking of the annual raise. Bloomberg reports: "GE executives are reviewing whether annual updates to compensation are the best response to the achievements and needs of employees. The company may also scrap the longstanding and much-imitated system of rating staff on a five-point scale. Decisions on both issues may come within the next several months, spokesperson Valerie Van den Keybus said by phone." "We uncovered an opportunity to improve the way we reward people for their contributions," GE's head of executive development, Janice Semper, said in an e-mailed response to questions. It will involve "being flexible and re-thinking how we define rewards, acknowledging that employees and managers are already thinking beyond annual compensation in this space." In response to this news, ErichTheRed writes: First it was "stack ranking," the process where GE fires the bottom-rated 20% of the workforce every year. Now, a new HR trend may be brewing at GE that is destined to be copied by MBAs everywhere if it takes hold. Personally, in terms of cargo-cult HR trends, I'd take Google's open office nightmare over this one. What do you think this would do to employment stability if widely enacted? I can definitely see banks rethinking 30 year mortgages, for example...

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  1. Yeah, Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    "This will be great for employees" from the makers of Stack Ranking.

    1. Re:Yeah, Right by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "We uncovered an opportunity to improve the way we reward people for their contributions," GE's head of executive development, Janice Semper said. "It will involve being flexible and re-thinking how we define rewards, "

      Translation: We're always looking for new ways to screw our employees.

    2. Re:Yeah, Right by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      All the good employees left at GE should be in their supervisor's office _tomorrow_. For their new monthly compensation review.

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    3. Re:Yeah, Right by segedunum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How much do you want to bet that executive pay won't be following this new model?

    4. Re:Yeah, Right by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      What's so bad about this? I didn't see enough detail unless I put my crazy anti business hat on.

      Millennials are going to change a lot of things for a lot of people. Sometimes for the better, if only accidentally. And business will change, again if only accidentally for the better.

      I might take a pay cut to work "full time" at 32 hours, and that might be good enough that I don't need a raise.

    5. Re:Yeah, Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They need to be highly compensated for this great idea, right?!

    6. Re:Yeah, Right by Jamu · · Score: 1

      I'm wondering if the executives also get rated.

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    7. Re:Yeah, Right by __Paul__ · · Score: 2, Informative

      I might take a pay cut to work "full time" at 32 hours, and that might be good enough that I don't need a raise.

      Inflation is going to screw you.

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    8. Re:Yeah, Right by Anon-Admin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is in translation.

      It is a great idea, rather than doing an annual raise you give employees raises when they do a great job and become more valuable to the company. (HR and upper managements vision) This means that good employees get raises every few months as rewards and you can directly show them how much they are appreciated and reward them for their contributions to the company.

      Middle management on the other hand get graded by how much money they save. Thus, by not giving raises and not having to do annual justifications they save money and get a bigger bonus. Thus no one gets a raise, the middle management looks like they are doing a great job saving the company money, and upper management can not figure out why they suddenly have a high turnover.
       

    9. Re:Yeah, Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Annual performance reviews are a joke at my company.. no one knows (in management) HOW to rank us. And if you are on an off shift (nights/weekends) you simply don't get the projects to get the rewards. And since most of our infrastructure is covered by corporate (not locally) the odds of innovating are slim to none as you have to have a good idea, convince LOCAL management to get behind you, the suck the dick of the IT manager at corporate that has to oversee dozens of locations that don't have the same needs as yours that your ONE project for your ONE site is worth the effort.

      Good luck getting any traction for any project.

    10. Re:Yeah, Right by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Other company's don't copy GE because GE has good technological ideas, but because GE has good ideas about how to screw the workforce.

    11. Re:Yeah, Right by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

      I'm wondering if the executives also get rated.

      Butters I'm telling you for the last time get your f'n a** back here right now . I said I've got a plan.

    12. Re:Yeah, Right by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      mnnn, why do I always have to take one for the team?

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    13. Re:Yeah, Right by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      In all fairness to GE, they're not going to be eliminating ALL raises. The CEO and his executive team will still be getting theirs.

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    14. Re:Yeah, Right by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Spoken by the myopic.

    15. Re:Yeah, Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure they do ... but by themselves

    16. Re:Yeah, Right by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Why? He's getting an extra 52 days off a year not drive, not to put wear and tear on his car, not to buy food for work/at work, not to decrease his health through stress of a commute and adding to his livability. He also has time to get more pay over time, everyone that mentions inflation acts like it's one and done, like oh shit, Bob took the day off a week package, he's fucked in 10-20 years! In one year Bob will ask for a raise instead, he'll still cost less than you, so your job might be at risk instead of happy Bob that only work 4 days a week, but gets the same amount of work done.

    17. Re:Yeah, Right by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I'm wondering if the executives also get rated.

      They sure do. I worked at a Fortune 500 company that had announced layoffs. My boss got locked out of the HR system that prevented him from renewing my contract. So I got laid off just before the government shutdown in 2013. The CEO got a 60% raise for having a lousy fiscal year. Rumor had it that he needed more money to buy a bigger yacht to keep with another CEO got who got a bigger raise and bigger yacht. CEO ratings is all about size.

    18. Re:Yeah, Right by Jack_of_Shadow · · Score: 2

      I am certain those same Executives gave themselves bonuses for their 'out of the box' thinking... When I worked at GTE (a few years before it went out of business!) our CEO fired 32,000 people. His bonus that ONE YEAR was the equivalent pay of the 32,000 people he had had fired, and a shitload of stock options as well. He also spun off the only consistently profitable groups into their own companies and divested GTE of them completely (at that time those were Sylvania and the phone book publishers).
      three years later GTE had gone the way of the Triceratops.

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    19. Re:Yeah, Right by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      How is inflation insightful? After a 20% pay cut, I'm still above average household income. And I can go for a raise at dome point, no one said raises are off the table.

      But more likely, I will work 3 years here, and negotiate a higher salary by either accepting another job offer, or actually taking that job.

      These new rules are not for the lifer treading water till retirement. And if you are that lifer, you need to be on a path of sound financial planning anyway, so those last 5 years of inflation shouldn't have much impact.

      I still fail to see how this is automatically a bad thing just because business is adapting to employee needs. And no it won't be implemented universally tomorrow, so include that in your disaster scenario.

    20. Re:Yeah, Right by __Paul__ · · Score: 1

      I still fail to see how this is automatically a bad thing just because business is adapting to employee needs.

      This isn't employee needs, this is employer wants. Companies should stop thinking up bullshit "perks". Screw company cars (don't drive, don't want one), gym memberships (I can walk and run in the park for free), child care (for fuck's sake, bring up your own children). If it wasn't for the money, we wouldn't be there. I can think of far better things to do with my time than deal with the ridiculous compliance procedures that almost every job in the Western kills its employees' morale with now.

      My point is, that inflation happens every year (save for those rare occasions of deflation), so you need to get a pay rise or equivalent every year, or you're going backwards. So for every year you don't get a pay rise, you need to get more and more days off that year.

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    21. Re:Yeah, Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pay raises are a higher % when you do a good job and less or zero if you are not producing to their satisfaction. They have been doing this for years. As far as I can tell in my years of experience, it's a way to reduce costs again on the backs of the employees!

  2. only for the little people by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I bet real money the executive compensation packages will continue to grow unabated.
    The cockroach that came up with this one will get an extra bonus for the year.

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    1. Re:only for the little people by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I'm hesitant to directly "blame" executives for tuning their practices to fit what the economy gives them. They are just doing what shareholders expect them to do.

      If executives use too much altruism at the expense of profits, the shareholders will reduce their compensation or terminate them. It would be nice if they showed more altruism, but that's generally not realistic on a larger scale.

      Our economy is out-of-whack, rewarding the top echelon while devaluing the rest.

      Perhaps in a global market, rank-and-file employees are simply of less value than before, economically, because the owners can shop the world for the employees they want instead of just the local market.

      Or, perhaps the rules are stacked against rank-and-file citizens. The wealthy push through laws, regulations, and conventions that favor them because they can and have the money to buy influence.

      The existing patent system favors big companies, for example, because of the large resources needed to obtain, manage, and perform legal battles and counter-negotiations with them. (i.e., "Patent Industrial Complex".) Loser patent interpretation would give little guys more options because they would be less likely to be targeted by patent claims.

      I suspect the compensation differential problem is a combination: globalization and system rule bias . The solutions appear to either be some form of "soft" socialism, such as tax-the-rich, and/or regular citizens making an effort to fix the laws that favor the wealthy over rest of us. The second is usually less controversial, but not by much.

      Automation may also be part of this, but even careers not yet affected much by automation have also been generally stagnant relative to the 1%.

    2. Re:only for the little people by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If executives use too much altruism at the expense of profits, the shareholders will reduce their compensation or terminate them.

      And they will still walk away with a full severance package including, for companies the size of GE, a multi-million dollar golden parachute including, in the case of HP, paying the person to relocate to a foreign country AND paying off the cost of their million dollar home.

      Then, within six to twelve months they'll be picked up by another company who will reward them for their "experience" by giving them a generous salary and stock options, not to mention tons of perks unimaginable to the people who do the actual work.

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    3. Re:only for the little people by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      And I hope the cockroach that came up with that is identified and exterminated.

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    4. Re:only for the little people by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      By the way, I wrote "loser" when I meant "looser". I have loser spelling.

      And they will still walk away with a full severance package

      That might be true, but competitive personalities often don't have a saturation point. And you typically don't get to be an executive unless you have a competitive personality.

      Then, within six to twelve months they'll be picked up by another company

      But your compensation is usually lower under such conditions. Your ego and compensation take a hit.

    5. Re:only for the little people by godrik · · Score: 1

      No CEOs will have the same thing! A raise every 2 months!

    6. Re:only for the little people by SadButResolved · · Score: 1

      Perhaps Bernie will run as an Indy, and we will get one last chance to fix the real issue vs one company.

    7. Re:only for the little people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few years back a locally based defense contractor near initiated a multi-year pay freeze in solidarity with their government clients (sequester, etc.); but, as you could guess, executive management annual raises and bonuses continued every year.

    8. Re:only for the little people by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      That's my problem with the entire public "shareholder" model. Too much gravitas. I'm no marxist, by any stretch, but certain aspects of capitalism can be self destructive if not held in check. Example one: competition is great, until enough mergers occur that there is no competition anymore; but this is the natural goal of business, to maximize profit; even today, decades after the Sherman anti-trust act, we are still saddled with monopolies, or very, very close to.
      Example Two: I understand that business are in the business of making money, that's great; but they're *also* in business to provide a product or services. That's how I always saw it when I was younger, anyway. All too often now it seems the wants of the shareholders grossly outweigh the value of the customers, the employees, and sometimes even the product itself; even the combination of all three. A company could cannibalize itself like that.

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    9. Re:only for the little people by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      This sounds like companies going bankrupt and people losing their (perhaps mediocre) jobs.

      But then Bernie says, "Success! We've stopped that evil company!"

    10. Re:only for the little people by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      I'm hesitant to directly "blame" executives for tuning their practices to fit what the economy gives them. They are just doing what shareholders expect them to do.

      If executives use too much altruism at the expense of profits, the shareholders will reduce their compensation or terminate them.

      If executives were truly trying to maximize profits, they wouldn't have insane compensation packages for themselves. They all sit on each others' boards and "compensation committees" and just keep piling on more money for themselves and less for the peons. That is not maximizing company profits; that is maximizing one's one wealth.

  3. Lead by example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GE executives are reviewing whether annual updates to compensation are the best response to the achievements and needs of employees.

    OK, you first.

  4. management by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The thing about performance appraisals is that they are a process. What is good about process is that while in many cases it's not required its good at rounding up the edge cases. It assures fairness in opportunity. Otherwise the squeaky wheels get 90% of management's attention. it is also a chain. It's a time when middle and upper management communicate about employees. it's a time when every employee gets time with the boss. All of these things of course should happen all the time but they can't. there isn't enough demand or time so instead we have to reserve time for it. Thus even though for most employees the process is perfunctory it's not perfunctory for everyone. Also you get surpises. You hear things you wouldn't have heard about aspirations and frustrations in these 1 on 1s because the framework of telling what you did the last year brings it out. It's a time when a manager can tell you that if you want a certain new job what you need to change to get it.

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    1. Re:management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In my experience, performance appraisals are a joke. We're supposed to score ourselves on how we've managed on objectives for the year, and typically by the time reviews roll around again, we still hadn't even been given those objectives. "How well do you think you did on hitting this target that you didn't know you should be shooting at?" And those objectives are typically vague manager-speak: "realize synergistic opportunities", "optimize organizational efficiencies", etc.

      In the end, the pool of cash is pre-determined, and managers have already been told that they have to fit their teams to a bell curve. Not everyone can be a "5", even if they all deserve to be. Morale suffers.

    2. Re:management by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      'Raise budgets' are dreams. I've personally taken 130% of the department's entire raise budget *. They didn't even blink. It was a mistake, never take a counteroffer. Never!

      When they quote 'raise budgets' at you, point out that budgets are plans (say 'plans' but think 'dreams'; PHBs get their panties in a bunch when you get too realpolitik on them) and plans get changed _every day_, you should have a recent example on hand.

      * the managers also told the rest of the team they weren't getting a raise because I had taken '100% of the raise budget'. Since the managers had started the conversation I felt free to tell them all that I had taken _130%_ of the raise budget and that they should all jump up and down until their balls dropped. (Including the dyke, she was next one gone IIRC. More balls than many.)

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    3. Re:management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In my experience, performance appraisals are a joke. We're supposed to score ourselves on how we've managed on objectives for the year, and typically by the time reviews roll around again, we still hadn't even been given those objectives. "How well do you think you did on hitting this target that you didn't know you should be shooting at?" And those objectives are typically vague manager-speak: "realize synergistic opportunities", "optimize organizational efficiencies", etc.

      In the end, the pool of cash is pre-determined, and managers have already been told that they have to fit their teams to a bell curve. Not everyone can be a "5", even if they all deserve to be. Morale suffers.

      Or, you set performance objectives based on one set of goals, and then almost immediately afterwards, high level corporate mandates and projects come down that necessitate sweeping the previous goals away and focusing the entire year on the whims of some top level manager or C-level executive. Guess which set of goals you get evaluated on next year?

    4. Re:management by SecurityGuy · · Score: 2

      What is good about process is that while in many cases it's not required its good at rounding up the edge cases. It assures fairness in opportunity.

      This is so not true. I've worked for giant companies most of my career. They all have "processes". Those performance review processes have been universally terrible at actually rewarding performance. In one of those companies, I'd swear there was zero correlation between my performance and my raise/compensation/incentive/whatever. You know what actually did make a difference? Having a good manager.

      It's a time when a manager can tell you that if you want a certain new job what you need to change to get it.

      If you need a formalized time once a year for your manager to tell you how you're doing, you don't need a process, you need a better manager.

    5. Re:management by funwithBSD · · Score: 2

      Exactly.

      Working at the same place, doing the same job (IT Architect) for 3 different managers, I got one mediocre review, one bad review and several very good reviews.

      It depended on how much the manager understood my role, how much they were willing to put up with flak when I did my job right, and how much they valued my input.

      The funny part was the bad review did not cost me my job... but it cost my manager her job. When the VP heard what my review was, she hit the roof and said she would fix it.

      Said manager was replaced 2 months later.

      It pays to have a good manager, and it pays more to have good people up the chain.

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  5. Next up, no compensation at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if anyone will notice if we just stop paying them entirely!

    1. Re:Next up, no compensation at all. by mark_reh · · Score: 1

      I wonder if anyone will notice if we just stop paying them entirely!

      and let nature take its course!

  6. At my employer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a well known worldwide business, you didn't get a raise no matter how productive or good you were unless you kissed the managers arse. Most of the managers are idiot slimeballs that knew nothing about product or technology, they were just pencil pushers that made everyone else look bad but themselves.

    1. Re:At my employer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you work for Atos? lol

  7. HR trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Isn't it odd how every trend or "fad" in HR always seems to fuck over employees in some way?

    Open office is seriously a plague on humanity. At least be honest that it's about cost, or to plump manager ego to see their little people lined up in one room, rather than blowing smoke up my ass about "collaboration".

    1. Re:HR trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      HR is a horrible department that exist only to give jobs to obese, other-unemployable women.

  8. Didn't RTFA - they could $ave just eliminate CEO$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hey I'd be OK with this if they granted each employee proportion of stock ownership and eliminated the CEO and board can gave every employee representation on a democratic "leadership council" for big company initiatives.

    Otherwise, look to see a mass exodus from GE - you have to have a raise/compensation system.
     

  9. Great way to pay people less! by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's right, it's all about "being flexible and re-thinking how we define rewards." Scott Adams already figured out this system 20 years ago.

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  10. Got this by youngone · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The company I work for has already ditched the annual raise. Instead we get a "bonus", next year we will be eligible for "up to" a 3.5% "bonus" the following year the "bonus" will be "up to" 5%.

    I asked my boss how he scored me 5 on our scoring system which is used to calculate our bonus. He admitted that he didn't do the scoring, and has no idea how the scores work. He also does not know who does do the scoring.

    Needless to say I'm not the only person looking for a new job.

    1. Re:Got this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The company I work for has already ditched the annual raise. Instead we get a "bonus", next year we will be eligible for "up to" a 3.5% "bonus" the following year the "bonus" will be "up to" 5%.

      So in a good year your purchasing power will be approximately flat? And this is a "bonus"?

      I can see a bonus on top of a reasonable cost-of-living adjustment, but that seems like a bare minimum to be considered acceptable.

    2. Re:Got this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We used to call it the "bone us"

    3. Re:Got this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The company I work for has already ditched the annual raise. Instead we get a "bonus", next year we will be eligible for "up to" a 3.5% "bonus" the following year the "bonus" will be "up to" 5%.

      I asked my boss how he scored me 5 on our scoring system which is used to calculate our bonus. He admitted that he didn't do the scoring, and has no idea how the scores work. He also does not know who does do the scoring.

        Needless to say I'm not the only person looking for a new job.

      A lot of companies do the "up to" thing now. "Oh, you would have gotten 4%, but the department missed Target X". I have yet to see anyone hit the full percentage since those processes started.

    4. Re:Got this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must be lucky, 8% raise and 10% bonus this year $_$.
      Software engineering is profitable.

    5. Re:Got this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear IBM has 20,000 new openings (created by all the layoffs...)

    6. Re:Got this by mark_reh · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but you can't get one of those jobs without an H1B visa.

    7. Re:Got this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Silicon Valley, a bonus is defined as a fraction of base. On Wall St, a bonus is a multiple of base. Truly we are in the wrong industry.

    8. Re:Got this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congrats. You now make $20k/year.

    9. Re:Got this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really feel this. I left an otherwise amazing job because they paid about 10-15% less than market rate, but in good years (most years), they give a huge bonus of like 30-40%. But, here's the problem: they make no promise of how big the bonus will be and the decision is completely black box to employees. So, you basically had to work for 10-15% less and just hope your masters feel generous.

      Performance pay is awesome, and I think more companies should include both individual and, especially, company performance into the compensation structure. However, it has to be transparent to work.

    10. Re:Got this by JustSomeProgrammer · · Score: 1

      I got the full percentage one time and only one time. When I complained about getting so many awards and recognition for great performance but only ever got a 90% on my performance grade for a quarter. When I pointed this out the department director's eyes literally bugged out as he realized how pissed I was and made sure I got more than 100% that quarter. The next quarter it went back to the same and not long after I changed jobs.

  11. The MBA's mind by Dorianny · · Score: 1

    Many employees would happily forgo a salary increase over more vacation days, fewer hours or a day or two a week spent telecommuting, but I am kidding myself thinking that their driving factor is their employees best interests

    1. Re:The MBA's mind by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We let employees reduce their salary by 1/52 to purchase an additional 40 hours of vacation.

    2. Re:The MBA's mind by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You could game that. They usually pay your accrued vacation at final pay rate. If salaries are going up faster than investment returns, you can afford it and they don't have vacation balance limits in play this could be a decent angle.

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    3. Re:The MBA's mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > more vacation days

      How about allowing us to take the ones we already get? Haven't had more than one contiguous day off in the more than twenty-six years I've worked for large tech companies.

    4. Re:The MBA's mind by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Interesting how that works out. Given ~260 Days of work; ~104 weekend-days (+1 day) : 5/260 == 1/52

    5. Re:The MBA's mind by stoborrobots · · Score: 1

      Notably, 5 days is a work week, and there are ~52 weeks in a year. :-P

    6. Re:The MBA's mind by __Paul__ · · Score: 1

      So presumably that's extra vacation days every year (eg, 5 extra in year one, 10 extra in year two and so on...) until you reach the point where you don't work at all and they're still paying you the same salary they were in year zero?

      Because if it isn't like that, you're getting screwed on inflation, without the raise.

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    7. Re:The MBA's mind by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Most places I've worked with such a scheme had leave accrual expiration. Even in my last job where I didn't have time to take the ridiculous vacation they have us they eventually put in a system that anyone with over 10 weeks accrued needs to take 6 weeks leave per year to be eligible for their performance bonus.

    8. Re:The MBA's mind by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      Accrued vacation?! Where do you work?

      All of my employers have had a use-it-or-lose-it vacation policy. The only way to be paid for vacation days is to leave the company, and then you only got paid for the number of days you had accrued so far in the year.

  12. We just gave the top 20% a 3% raise fer chrisakes by darthsilun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then they left to get another 5-10% at a new job down the street.

    And we laid off the bottom 20%, leaving us staffed at 60% to do all the work.

    WTF, and management wonders why we can't get anything done.

    As for me? I'd be tempted to cross GE of my list of places to work, except they weren't on it in the first place.

  13. Fine With Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Company loyalty is a two way street. Think of me having a bi-weekly contact at best.

    Fine with me. I will be using ALL my sick days.

    Also, I'm not taking calls after 5pm.

    In at 9, out at 5, no exceptions.

    No weekend work.

    Every Year, my company laptop/desktop will have an "accident".

    Spilling coffee on the keyboard will be a semi-annual event.

    I will be actively enforcing software license management, I have the BSA's number on the speed dial.

    I will telecomute on days when I feel like it, company needs be damned.

  14. New Employee CYA Plan by randalware · · Score: 1

    Back stab everyone on every team.
    take credit for everything
    save all blackmail material
    study all the get ahead schemes

    it's every man/woman for themselves.

    GE broke with the most unethical sociopathic employees..
            multiple product liability lawsuits with lots of "not me" finger pointing
            someone steals millions of dollars thru an underhanded plan.
            Executives vote themselves a bonus for having some cash on hand before bankruptcy filing.

    Millions of people's retirement plans damaged by ownership of GE stock...

    Some billionaire buys GE assets at pennies on the dollar and restarts company
    (and hires NO ex-GE employees that worked for GE after 2017... The best employees will go find a better job quickly)

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  15. Re:We just gave the top 20% a 3% raise fer chrisak by PRMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly. Here is what happens to me in EVERY job with this review nonsense:

    First year. Great review! You're a rock star. 5% bonus.

    Next year: Good review. 4% bonus.

    Third year: That guy's getting paid too much, find a way to screw him because he failed to read one e-mail, even though he saved the company millions. 1% bonus.

    Find new programming job: 10% bonus.

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  16. GE Considers Scrapping Engaged Workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just feel bad for my friends at IBM, because they'll almost certainly see this and try to double down on it.

    1. Re: GE Considers Scrapping Engaged Workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IBM doesn't announce crap like this anymore - they just do it. GE are rookies

    2. Re: GE Considers Scrapping Engaged Workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no Ibm are the rookies. They still feel the need to not admit it. GE wants you to know they are screwing you so you don't for a moment think you are valuable. At least Ibm maintains the illusion of something nice when they bend you over and pleasure themselves. time to create a GE insiders web site and publish all their F'ups

  17. GE needs the Molly Maquires . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    About 10,000 years ago, in Honors US History in High School, in scenic New Jersey . . . I had a teacher who we called "Smiling Jane". The 1800's in the US were full of nasty stuff, like children losing arms while trying to couple trains, the US Calvary giving smallpox infected blankets to Indians ("Casino Indians", not "Out-Sourcing Indians") . . . and if you get hungry for a hamburger during class . . . "The Jungle", from Upton Sinclair will transform your ideal of a Big Mac into a pile of weevils and maggots. At any rate, good old "Smiling Jane" would flash a rack of teeth during these lectures, that would put most of Hollywood to shame.

    Put the absolute epitome, was her description of the "Molly Maquires":

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    In case you are too lazy to read the article, or didn't have Honors US History in goddamned New Jersey, the big mining monopolies created "mining towns" for poor immigrants (H1Bs?). They were not paid in US cash, but in "script" that could only be used in the stores . . . owned by the monopoly. Sound like Microsoft, anyone?

    Smiling Jane flashed her rack during all of this.

    At any rate, some of the enslaved created a group called the "Molly Maquires . . . they would relieve a foreman or a manager from his head, and dump it somewhere. A lot of these heads ended up in jars in the windows of funeral parlors, with the note, "Do you know whose head this is?"

    Back to "Smiling Jane" . . . she went to a funeral in Eastern Pennsylvania, and told the funeral director her tale. The Director answered:

    "Oh, yes, we still have some unclaimed heads in the cellar . . . would you like to see them . . . ?"

    A fellow student suggested to me that we should beg, borrow or steal a black Cadillac, drive to the town, and scream, "Show us your heads!"

    Getting back on topic, GE executives who rake in millions, while producing nothing of value . . . could in my opinion end up in a funeral parlor in Eastern Pennsylvania.

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    1. Re:GE needs the Molly Maquires . . . by crunchygranola · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You instructor, and her flashing teeth, were pulling your leg, big time.

      The Molly McGuires did exist in Ireland, but whether they ever existed in the United States is seriously open to question.

      Essentially everything reported about the McGuires in the U.S. is the uncorroborated testimony of one man, James McParland, who was a Pinkerton detective, a publicity hound, and an admitted perjurer (never tried for it though). It was not foreman and managers getting murdered, it was ordinary miners, and they violence started after the Pinkertons showed up. Along with McParland's say-so, inmates reporting "jail house confessions" or men getting freed for their testimony constituted the 'evidence' under which the men arrested as McGuires were tried and hanged. It is entirely possible that McParland, a native of County Armagh, Ireland, used his knowledge of the real McGuires to fabricate a fake plot to assist in the successful crushing on coal field labor resistance.

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    2. Re:GE needs the Molly Maquires . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the big mining monopolies created "mining towns" for poor immigrants (H1Bs?). They were not paid in US cash, but in "script" that could only be used in the stores . . . owned by the monopoly. Sound like Microsoft, anyone?

      No, it sounds like the song "Sixteen Tons" by Ernie Ford. Which was based on actual things that happened.

      Smiling Jane flashed her rack during all of this.

      Wait, what? What kind of "teacher" was she, and are you sure this was a history class?

    3. Re:GE needs the Molly Maquires . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      History is more than anecdotes teachers tell students and students repeat their whole lives.

      No, the US military did not hand out small-pox blankets; pure unadulterated horseshit, that one. And recently invented.

      http://quod.lib.umich.edu/p/pl...

    4. Re:GE needs the Molly Maquires . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1800s mining towns are why my State requires 30 days notice to evict a renter, but only 72 hours notice to evict a fired employee from employee-provided housing. It was a very progressive idea to give former workers 72 hours to pack, instead of just dumping their stuff outside in the rain as soon as you decide to fire them.

      Some were typical work camps, like loggers would live in. Others were rather horrific and the workers lived underground and were not allowed outside during the day. (because the company owned the streets and everything and could make almost any rules they wanted; and the workers were Chinese and they didn't want them to be seen.)

    5. Re:GE needs the Molly Maquires . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The US military didn't, but the British military did, at the Siege of Fort Pitt, which is well documented. The incident that appears to be a fabrication was at Fort Clark, some 70 years later.

      Are you sure teachers are specifically teaching that the US military handed out smallpox blankets, or just that an unspecified colonial military did, which is true?

      And, by the way, could you find a reference that's a) peer reviewed, and b) not a transparent hatchet-job?

    6. Re:GE needs the Molly Maquires . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that doesn't sound like a Monty Python sketch, I don't know what does. Good work.

    7. Re:GE needs the Molly Maquires . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      '("Casino Indians", not "Out-Sourcing Indians")'

      The proper nomenclature here is "Feathers, not Dots"

    8. Re:GE needs the Molly Maquires . . . by wildstoo · · Score: 1

      They were not paid in US cash, but in "script" that could only be used in the stores.

      I think you mean scrip, not script.

    9. Re:GE needs the Molly Maquires . . . by Anti-Curmudgeon · · Score: 1

      It's *scrip", not "script."

    10. Re:GE needs the Molly Maquires . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You instructor, and her flashing teeth, were pulling your leg, big time.

      The Molly McGuires did exist in Ireland, but whether they ever existed in the United States is seriously open to question.

      Essentially everything reported about the McGuires in the U.S. is the uncorroborated testimony of one man, James McParland, who was a Pinkerton detective, a publicity hound, and an admitted perjurer (never tried for it though). It was not foreman and managers getting murdered, it was ordinary miners, and they violence started after the Pinkertons showed up. Along with McParland's say-so, inmates reporting "jail house confessions" or men getting freed for their testimony constituted the 'evidence' under which the men arrested as McGuires were tried and hanged. It is entirely possible that McParland, a native of County Armagh, Ireland, used his knowledge of the real McGuires to fabricate a fake plot to assist in the successful crushing on coal field labor resistance.

      Nicely done but you forgot:
      Also the lawyers, prosecutors, and judges were on the Pinkerton's payroll and supplied to the mining company town. The Pinkerton detectives were also given full police powers within the company towns as well.

      Still better then that one company in Colorado that ended their mining strike by using Gatling guns on the miners and their families.

  18. Agreed, no raises for execs by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Make it a salary and bonus and stock cap of 20 times the earnings of the lowest paid contractor and that sounds fair.

    Oh, you meant just for the 99 percent.

    Never mind.

    Light the torches, boys!

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  19. Piecework? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just have all your employees bid against each other for what needs to get done. If you can do it in 2 days for $2000 while Larry takes 5 and wants $3000, you win! When people stop winning bids they stop making money and quit, and you hire a new guy.

    1. Re:Piecework? by Proudrooster · · Score: 1

      Ha, getting stuff done at GE is a bureaucratic joke. It could take 6 departments in three timezones and 4 continents to provision, build, and build a simple database server. The bureaucracy is legendary and the kingdoms are well defended.

  20. five point scale. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was a nine point scale in performance reviews when I was hired. No one ever got more than a five.

    Now they switched to the five point scale. No one gets more than a three.

    I'm not saying this because I feel personally slighted, I'm the dream employee who erally doesn't give a shit about compensation because I enjoy what I do. I say this because I hear this from extremely capable and well respected co-workers who I think are way better than me (and I hear I'm great).

  21. GE is not the enemy by schematix · · Score: 0, Troll

    Firing the bottom 20% of your work force every year is no different than YOU, as a consumer, not purchasing another good or service again because it didn't give you what you paid for. It is assigning value via your wallet.

    In the real world people are not equal performers at every task. In fact, some are really bad. Even what some would consider a "net negative" for the team (does more harm than good). Some of those that suck at their current job may not suck doing something else. While it involves some hurtful emotions and short term pain, a job loss can often times be beneficial in the long run.

    The issue of not having an annual raise is interesting though. In the US we have gone through a decade of very low inflation. Also prices on many goods has dropped or stayed steady. Companies are not naturally making extra money via inflation to pass on to their workers. The additional money has to come through growth, which is limited in our stagnant economy. So not getting a raise each year might not be such a bad thing in a low inflation economy if it is compensated for elsewhere.

    Ultimately the free market will decide though. And my guess is that GE will make sure their top 20% is really well compensated so they stay and keep being productive making money for the company, while everyone else takes what is given to them. While this doesn't sound great if you're in the 80%, it's really is a fair system.

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    1. Re:GE is not the enemy by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Informative

      The biggest problem with firing the bottom 20% of your workforce every year is that you're always going to have a "bottom 20%" no matter how good your employees are doing. If 20% of your employees exceed expectation, 70% meet expectations, and 10% are below expectations, you're going to wind up firing 10% of your employees who met their expectations purely because you decided on that 20% number. It doesn't matter that they are perfectly good workers and do everything they're told to do competently, you committed to firing 20% of your workforce every year so off they go.

      Meanwhile, you need to hire new people to fill those vacant slots in which case, you're likely not saving much in salaries. If anything, you pay more because you need to train the new staff with your systems/processes. And if the new staff takes too long to get up to speed, they might hit the bottom 20% and you'll wind up training someone new.

      If you don't hire new staff, you're going to wind up with an ever-shrinking workforce both by bottom-20%-firings and by people leaving because they're sick of the ever increasing workload coupled with yearly threats of being fired if you land in the bottom 20% (despite having more work to do).

      Having a set "we're firing this percentage every year regardless of how well the staff actually does" is an idiotic concept that was thought up my management who likely exempted themselves from winding up in the bottom 20%.

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    2. Re:GE is not the enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are assuming that stack ranking is a fair and objective. In my experience, it is highly political where fiefdoms and backstabbing are the norm. The "Bottom 20%" are not necessarily the low performers, rather they are the people that failed to play the game correctly and are being tossed out.

    3. Re:GE is not the enemy by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Informative

      IIRC it takes about 150% of the annual salary of a typical white collar worker to train a replacement, plus the actual salary. So you're cutting 20% off the bottom, we presume you're replacing them with a better 20%, and you're paying 50% of the salary cost of the company in new training. That doesn't seem like a good idea unless the bottom 20% are really, really bad at what they do. In which case you should probably have started with firing all the hiring managers and HR department personnel who let those slackers in in the first place!

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    4. Re:GE is not the enemy by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2

      Horse shit. It's a fucking brain dead system. Using blind statistical numbers like that is a surefire way of ensuring that you have ZERO employee loyalty forever.

      I worked for Seagate Software/VERITAS/Symantec through many mergers. Due to my specific skills I was totally safe from layoffs. For a time we had ex-Oracle execs, and such shit-born layoff policies were instituted.

      Eventually I got sick of watching long time friends, who had done perfectly great jobs for years, walked out the door to maximize some VP's bonus.

      So when given a good exit vector, I left for a better, less hate-driven opportunity. I declined to train a replacement. And I told them WHY.

      I'm very glad I did. I hope that was really fucking expensive for them.

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    5. Re:GE is not the enemy by schematix · · Score: 2

      In a company as large as GE you are going to have a bell curve distribution of skill levels. That's just a fact. When you hire replacements, you'll have another bell curve to add in. It's an iterative process of weeding out the weakest. A company can't stay competitive if it's giving away money to people who don't pull their weight. So your argument that the firings are arbitrary is a straw man.

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    6. Re:GE is not the enemy by Desler · · Score: 2

      And yet almost all companies who blinded followed doing stack ranking are all but abandoning it because it's toxic and is great at destroying morale and breeding infighting. Clearly a sign that it's an excellent system! Oh wait...

    7. Re:GE is not the enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a company as large as GE you are going to have a bell curve distribution of skill levels. That's just a fact. When you hire replacements, you'll have another bell curve to add in. It's an iterative process of weeding out the weakest. A company can't stay competitive if it's giving away money to people who don't pull their weight.

      So your argument that the firings are arbitrary is a straw man.

      Please describe how selection of the population will skew this bell curve. extra points for showing your working.

    8. Re:GE is not the enemy by klashn · · Score: 1

      You're not accounting for the fact that work these days at the bottom level can be done by Recent College Grads at the entry level pay, with guidance from an employee that has been around for a while. These young employees come in with much more enthusiasm than people that have been around for a while. Presumably the 20% of employees that are getting laid off are older workers that are highly compensated, and for that high compensation they may be able to hire on 2 or 3 RCGs. The RCG Mill of corporations is alive and well.

    9. Re:GE is not the enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      by this logic I would have been fired last year. I had a very tough year and in fact took several months off without pay. I was welcomed back and this year I came up with a major breakthrough in the product with two more likely before the end of the year ... Unlikely some sap with no institutional knowledge or specialized domain knowledge could have come in and done the same.

      We got job hoppers all the time with their fancy skilz. Never lasted long, rarely contributed anything worth saving. We stopped hiring them for some reason.

    10. Re:GE is not the enemy by barc0001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Firing the bottom 20% of your work force every year is no different than YOU, as a consumer, not purchasing another good or service again because it didn't give you what you paid for. It is assigning value via your wallet.

      But that's not how that worked under stack ranking. What they did was apply it to groups and teams. Suppose you are running a division and you want to put together - for lack of a better term - an all star team to tackle a bunch of problems. So you get the top 15 people from different teams to work on big problems and you solve a bunch of issues. Great! Now it's a year later and it's review time. According to stack ranking, 20% of those people, who would have been on the top of the stack in their old teams, are now on the chopping block because you have to get rid of 20% because rules. Congrats. You've now sent 3 of your best staff off to the wilderness and infected the other 12 (and probably a lot of others who hear about what happened) with dissatisfaction. Now the other 12 want to be put back on their old teams and most of them are also sending out their resumes.

      This kind of shit also happened at Microsoft a lot when they embraced stack ranking. Without the firings though, they just shafted the bottom third of their all star teams on compensation which pissed them off and they left.

      Stack ranking is a disaster and any company that still thinks it's a great thing is driving away talent.

    11. Re:GE is not the enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most computer people (IT, software, etc) are not people persons. Many of them actively resist developing people skills, and some of those are the most technically proficient persons ever put in charge of a company's beating heart.

      What happens when you have to rate everyone and chop the bottom rated folk, is that it turns into a popularity contest. Whoever happens to have spent the additional time and effort on skills only tangentially related to their performance, AND is willing to muck about with company politics, is more likely to survive the winnowing process than the people who are more technically competent.

      What this does is skew the bell curve DOWN. It favors people who want to play politics instead of keeping their heads down and getting their work done.

      Captcha: Comical.

    12. Re:GE is not the enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firing the bottom 20% of your work force every year is no different than YOU, as a consumer, not purchasing another good or service again because it didn't give you what you paid for. It is assigning value via your wallet.

      It's completely different, because that's a fucking idiotic comparison. Did you take a heavy mallet, and take turns smacking it into your balls, then your head, to say something that stupid?

    13. Re:GE is not the enemy by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This is all assuming you have some completely fair and objective way to measure performance. In practice it ends up screwing people who get stuck on a failing project, or worse for good projects to fail because people think they might and abandon ship prematurely. You can be screwed by a bad manager, a college who doesn't like you. In fact it encourages people to screw each other over, take claim for other people's work and generally act against the greater good.

      As an example, I spend quite a bit of time helping others debug code, because that just happens to be something I'm good at. I don't really enjoy it and it distracts me from my own work, but it's for the benefit of the company and my bosses are happy that I spend my time that way. At a company like GE, that seems much more hands off and looks at metrics to determine an individual's value, I wouldn't waste my time helping others, I'd spend it collecting hats and polishing my CV in case I suddenly need to find a new job.

      This sort of thing is also illegal in many countries. In the UK GE would be expected to offer those people help to improve (training, mentoring etc.) before firing them for incompetence. Arbitrarily firing the lowest performing 20% and then hiring new people to do the exact same jobs is not allowed.

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    14. Re:GE is not the enemy by stud9920 · · Score: 1

      The problem with firing the bottom 20% is that people will work to reach their KPIs instead of doing the 90% of their jobs that is not measurable yet of critical importance

    15. Re:GE is not the enemy by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2

      Never discount the most worthless employee you have. There is tremendous power there.

      We use them as deterrents when other folks around the company become a bit too demanding and don't understand we don't just drop everything we're doing every time they have a project they want done yesterday.

      Since telling them " No " would simply cause them to go whine to one of the executives, we deploy one of our special snowflakes and assign them to their project. A project that should take a day or so, ends up taking a week or two.

      It does not take long before they figure out that being a demanding asshole isn't in their best interests. They are usually FAR more understanding and even nice the next time they have a project that requires our help. We then reward them with a top tier type who blazes through their project in half the time they allocated for it.

    16. Re:GE is not the enemy by dywolf · · Score: 1

      slap yourself until the stupid falls out.
      across the entire company it may approximate a bell curve, but the reviews aren't being done company wide, but at the individual team level. and at that level the entire process breaks down.

      it is stupid and you are stupid for defending it.

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    17. Re:GE is not the enemy by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

      Stack ranking is absolutely idiotic.

      No matter how many times you "weed out" the bottom 20%.. guess what.. there is a new bottom 20%.

      Meanwhile you are jettisoning 20% of your institutional knowledge every year and creating a workforce who is antagonistic to one another..

      Only business school morons couldn't think this stuff up and actually think that it would work over the long haul.

    18. Re:GE is not the enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're ignoring human nature here. I've seen it in action at places that do this sort of garbage. A smart manager will hire a complete incompetent every year for his team - next years sacrificial lamb. Once in a while, the person won't prove to be as unlikeable or inept as expected, and he'll have to sacrifice someone else, but usually things work out as planned. The folks who are really good usually grow sick of this and move on, even though they were never in danger in the first place. And the company is left wondering why they have a bad reputation as a place to work and many of the most talented engineers don't want to work there. Of course, management never seems to be subject to the 20% rule.

    19. Re:GE is not the enemy by neminem · · Score: 1

      > "Firing the bottom 20% of your work force every year is no different than YOU, as a consumer, not purchasing another good or service again because it didn't give you what you paid for. It is assigning value via your wallet. "

      That's a pretty terrible comparison. It would be more like, if you went to a fast food restaurant you loved, that had, say, 20 items on their menu, but they forced you to rank the menu items from most-liked to least-liked, and then whichever 4 items you said you liked least (even if you still liked some of them!), they refused to let you buy them ever. Just crossed them right off the menu.

      Firing people because you think they're not giving your company sufficient value, that's equivalent to what you described. Firing a bunch of people every year because they're in the bottom arbitrary-number of your current workforce, even if you'd prefer not to because they're still fine, that's balls-out crazysauce.

    20. Re:GE is not the enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IIRC it takes about 150% of the annual salary of a typical white collar worker to train a replacement, plus the actual salary.

      That's only true of the higher skilled jobs. For something like a call center worker, you're not paying jack shit to train them, and you WANT to have a high 'churn rate' so that everyone is constantly at the very low end of the salary/benefits scale.

    21. Re:GE is not the enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sort of thing is also illegal in many countries.

      Nope.

      In the UK GE would be expected to offer those people help to improve (training, mentoring etc.) before firing them for incompetence.

      They aren't fired for incompetence. They're fired for not meeting their performance goals. Usually the first time you fall into the bottom X%, you get put on a 'Performance Plan' which has all that stuff you mention, and you have X number of days/weeks to improve your ranking.

    22. Re:GE is not the enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If one fifth of your workers are worth firing, the majority of that 20% should come from those doing the hiring.

    23. Re:GE is not the enemy by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      I've seen this play out at a F500 company where I live that copied GE's mentality.

      One team of all-stars took turns on the roulette wheel. It was something as arbitrary as alphabetical order: Top performer in Q1 was Adam, middle was Beth, Jerry, and Roger, and Sam was the lowest performer.
      In Q2, Sam was now the top performer, and Adam, Beth, and Jerry were now the middle, with Roger now the lowest performer.

      Their boss explained it to them, objected to what the company was making him do and complained to his boss, but he had a team where all were awesome and didn't want to lose any of them.

      Sure enough, one day a mandatory culling was announced, and a great employee was let go because it was her turn on the wheel.

      Bonus: At this company, if you are ever let go because you were at the bottom, you can never be hired again.

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    24. Re:GE is not the enemy by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Agree with most of this, but this didn't make sense to me:

      >> "Companies are not naturally making extra money via inflation to pass on to their workers."

      If inflation is where everything costs more ... the company is pulling in higher numbers.

      So I would think inflation would cause companies to make extra money.

    25. Re:GE is not the enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stack ranking is absolutely idiotic.

      No matter how many times you "weed out" the bottom 20%.. guess what.. there is a new bottom 20%.

      Meanwhile you are jettisoning 20% of your institutional knowledge every year and creating a workforce who is antagonistic to one another..

      Only business school morons couldn't think this stuff up and actually think that it would work over the long haul.

      It's worse than that. It's actually illegal. The scientific community has been aware that stress has physiological consequences since the 1950's, and huge amounts of supporting evidence have accumulated in the past 60 or so years. For example, animal research shows that subjecting animals to stress increases the rate of plaque formation in the arteries, which in turn leads to heart attacks and strokes.

      Today, stress is linked to a whole host of medical disorders.

      Laying off 1 in 5 workers every year creates a highly stressful work environment.

      That violates the right to a safe and healthy work environment, which is a fundamental right protected by the US Bill of Rights, as one of the rights "retained by the people" (9th Amendment) and "reserved to the people" (10th Amendment). As such, companies doing "stack ranking" are violating the highest law in the land.

      Nothing in the US Bill of Rights prevents the application of fundamental rights against private entities. Indeed, if this couldn't be done then the government could violate any right desired by means of third party agents (something that it has been caught doing on a number of occasions).

      Another problem with stack ranking is it creates huge ethical conflicts of interest as people fight to not be in the 20% that gets selected, which in turn creates an environment that fosters unethical conduct. A business doing stack ranking (or any other form of frequent layoff that isn't due to a business being intrinsically seasonal, such as crop picking) isn't going to be an ethical business (they may have an ethics policy, but it will a smokescreen, a mirage).

      The right to ethical conduct on the part of employers is another fundamental right that can be asserted under the 9th Amendment. State law and considerations such as 'right to work' are not applicable, as the Bill of Rights is the highest law in the land and trumps lessor law when they come into conflict.

      It says very bad things about the level of corruption in US government, and the ethics problems in US law, that anybody has been able to get away with this. It's not just organizations like the NSA and FBI that think they can violate the law. A lot of business executives are sociopaths: for some reason that sort of person tends to end up in executive positions, and these people think they're immune to the law. All too often they're right.

      In other countries, rights such as the right to ethics in business, or the right to a safe and healthy workplace, could be viewed as universal and inalienable rights, and thus applicable in those societies as well.

  22. What I want. by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Give me what I want and deserve or another employer will. That's worked pretty well for me my entire career. Sometimes they gave me what I wanted. Sometimes another employer did.

    Reminding me to feel grateful for a couple percent you gave me at my formal review is annoying. I don't feel grateful. I feel like a cog in the machine.

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    1. Re:What I want. by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

      You have a facebook account.

    2. Re:What I want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you made 1 billion your first year out of school and now make 0 because you just like to work and don't need the money, right?

    3. Re:What I want. by Spazmania · · Score: 2

      No, I made about 30k my first year out of school and about 50k my third. I've been putting money into the bank ever since, to the point where I could stay out for 3 to 5 years if I was willing to postpone retirement.

      Now I'm well in to the six figures because employers want the skills I have to offer. I recently started working somewhere with 5 weeks vacation and the ability to work from home 2 days a week. Because that's what I wanted.

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    4. Re:What I want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A couple percent is generous compared to what I commonly experienced early in my career. Businesses would routinely offer shit like 10 cents an hour raise for a "job well done." All that did was anger me to the point of sabotage. A fuckin' 1% raise when inflation is running 3%? Thanks for the 2% pay cut assholes. Here's my 2% less work. Just remember, you don't have to be great at work, only greater ... there's often a big difference.

    5. Re:What I want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I'm well in to the six figures because employers want the skills I have to offer. I recently started working somewhere with 5 weeks vacation and the ability to work from home 2 days a week. Because that's what I wanted.

      Hey look, another person with particular, in-demand skills, telling everyone else that if they would just get particular in-demand skills they could stop their bitching. Can everyone be in the top 5%?

    6. Re:What I want. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      So you made 1 billion your first year out of school and now make 0 because you just like to work and don't need the money, right?

      I had a friend who lived a very modest lifestyle as a Silicon Valley hardware engineer. Before direct deposit became widespread, payroll would call him every three months to remind him to deposit his paychecks since the last quarter.

    7. Re:What I want. by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Curious: what are those skills?

      Doing well with .NET stack, although not at 6 figures yet.

    8. Re:What I want. by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      Curiosity and imagination mostly.

      I care how the whole system is put together, not just the software, the servers the routers or even just the computer parts. So I spend the effort learning how it all fits together. And then my imagination starts kicking out ways to make it better. Software that can bridge two processes and make activity more reliable and faster to complete. System architectures which avoid identifiable points of failure. Ways which take in to account the whole system. And (this is critically important) changes which are incrementally achievable from where the system stands today... because greenfield deployments are rare.

      Right now I'm working Devops. My last great coup was continuity of operations. I'd like to break in to network protocol R&D but that opportunity hasn't come by yet. I have a great design for a TCP/DNS replacement that would facilitate consumer-level mobile and multihomed networks that aren't practical today because of the high cost of BGP.

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  23. Not so fast. by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "We uncovered an opportunity to improve the way we reward people for their contributions," GE's head of executive development, Janice Semper said. "It will involve being flexible and re-thinking how we define rewards, "

    Translation: We're always looking for new ways to screw our employees.

    No. I thought so at first, but further digging, this makes a lot of sense and is something many companies and contractors have been doing for quite some time.

    Typical negotiation with a potential employer (small/mid size company) goes like this. If the company cannot or does not want to give the salary being asked by the applicant, something can be negotiated, such as additional vacation time, or a larger 401K contribution.

    I for one could be happier with an additional week of vacation over a 2-3% increase, every per year. Or additional personal holidays, or the ability to take every other Friday off (like the 9/80 programs many government contractors have.)

    For single people I wouldn't recommend such a trade-off. You want to earn and save as much as you can when you do not have kids. Once you have kids (like myself), or have to travel abroad to see in-laws (again, like myself), or many other reasons, you might want to have additional vacation time. Not everything has to be a nefarious plot, even in cut-throat corporate America.

    1. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "We uncovered an opportunity to improve the way we reward people for their contributions," GE's head of executive development, Janice Semper said. "It will involve being flexible and re-thinking how we define rewards, "

      Translation: We're always looking for new ways to screw our employees.

      No. I thought so at first, but further digging, this makes a lot of sense and is something many companies and contractors have been doing for quite some time.

      Typical negotiation with a potential employer (small/mid size company) goes like this. If the company cannot or does not want to give the salary being asked by the applicant, something can be negotiated, such as additional vacation time, or a larger 401K contribution.

      I for one could be happier with an additional week of vacation over a 2-3% increase, every per year. Or additional personal holidays, or the ability to take every other Friday off (like the 9/80 programs many government contractors have.)

      For single people I wouldn't recommend such a trade-off. You want to earn and save as much as you can when you do not have kids. Once you have kids (like myself), or have to travel abroad to see in-laws (again, like myself), or many other reasons, you might want to have additional vacation time.

      Not everything has to be a nefarious plot, even in cut-throat corporate America.

      But what happens with inflation. Sure I would love more PTO or a greater contribution to my 401K but if my salary remains the same while prices of goods and services rise even 1-2% a year I am loosing money and my salary will eventually "become unlivable"

    2. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I for one could be happier with an additional week of vacation over a 2-3% increase, every per year.

      Bob had been with the company 40 years.
      He now only works Tuesdays, except in winter, and retains a full salary.

    3. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, Bob lost 3% per year of salary to inflation, so after 10 years, is facing compounded losses probably closer to 25% of his original salary...

    4. Re:Not so fast. by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Nope, with me...GIVE ME MONEY....plain and simple.

      There is one and ONLY one reason I work....money.

      If I were wealthy enough to never have to work a day in my life, I'd not work. If I won the powerball, and cleared let's say...$2.5-$3M after taxes, I figure I could live on interest alone for the rest of my days. If that happened, I don't actually know if I'd bother calling into work saying I'd not be back...I'd be too busy leaving skid marks out the door.

      The only reason I work, is to support the lifestyle I like with the things I can buy, travel and do....

      I contract...so, I negotiate my bill rate to cover my time I want to take off annually....so, no need for extra vacation. If you want me, PAY me...pay me for every single hour I work, none of this salary BS where you get 'free' work out of me, etc. If you want to impress me, give me more money.

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    5. Re:Not so fast. by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Actually, you probably WOULDN'T be able to live off the literal interest. You'd be lucky to get 0.15% interest... and no, that isn't "fifteen percent" -- it's fifteen hundredths of a percent. If you had 3 million dollars earning 0.15% per year, your interest income would be a whopping $4,500/year. Don't spend it all in one place...

    6. Re:Not so fast. by Ritchie70 · · Score: 2

      I'm apparently Bob.

      I got a few nice raises - due to doing some good work, and deserving them, really - a number of years ago. Ever since, I've been told that "I'm already at the top of the pay range for my position" which they determine based on analysis of other companies in the area.

      May be true, may not. But I haven't had a raise to speak of since. Every year my buying power goes down and my bills stay the same or increase.

      And now they're talking "involuntary separations" in a few months. Isn't that a charming way to say "layoffs." "Involuntary separations." I'd like to voluntarily connect my foot wit their ass.

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    7. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are earning 0.15% on your retirement investments, you are a fucking imbecile.

      He can easily get 5-10% a year with an index fund, and some investments with a mix of bonds and stocks (including REIT) are at a 15% return. Also, municipal bonds are tax free. If he lives someplace cheap, he can do very well with $150K.

    8. Re:Not so fast. by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      "We uncovered an opportunity to improve the way we reward people for their contributions," GE's head of executive development, Janice Semper said. "It will involve being flexible and re-thinking how we define rewards, "

      Translation: We're always looking for new ways to screw our employees.

      No. I thought so at first, but further digging, this makes a lot of sense and is something many companies and contractors have been doing for quite some time.

      Typical negotiation with a potential employer (small/mid size company) goes like this. If the company cannot or does not want to give the salary being asked by the applicant, something can be negotiated, such as additional vacation time, or a larger 401K contribution.

      I for one could be happier with an additional week of vacation over a 2-3% increase, every per year. Or additional personal holidays, or the ability to take every other Friday off (like the 9/80 programs many government contractors have.)

      For single people I wouldn't recommend such a trade-off. You want to earn and save as much as you can when you do not have kids. Once you have kids (like myself), or have to travel abroad to see in-laws (again, like myself), or many other reasons, you might want to have additional vacation time.

      Not everything has to be a nefarious plot, even in cut-throat corporate America.

      But what happens with inflation. Sure I would love more PTO or a greater contribution to my 401K but if my salary remains the same while prices of goods and services rise even 1-2% a year I am loosing money and my salary will eventually "become unlivable"

      At that point you look for a better job. That's what I've been doing for the last 25 years. Or what? Were you thinking about staying at a job for life?

      When you do not get an increase, you look for other perks. Then you make a decision of how long you can stay there. That is your threshold, and you more or less calculate when it becomes a losing proposition (say, 5 years from now.)

      So from then on, you start planning what your next job should be like, what salaries you expect to get, then you look for it and you jump.

      At some point then it will be the same, no more increase. Then you look for perks. Then you jump. Rinse and repeat.

    9. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I for one could be happier with an additional week of vacation over a 2-3% increase, every per year.

      Bob had been with the company 40 years. He now only works Tuesdays, except in winter, and retains a full salary.

      Bob was stupid. He should not have stayed there for 40 years. He should have known what is the threshold after which more benefits over salary increases become a losing proposition (and jump ship, rinse and repeat.)

      Don't be like Bob. If you, the generic you, are too stupid to need someone to tell you not to be like Bob, then that's on you.

    10. Re:Not so fast. by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      Nope, with me...GIVE ME MONEY....plain and simple.

      There is one and ONLY one reason I work....money.

      If I were wealthy enough to never have to work a day in my life, I'd not work. If I won the powerball, and cleared let's say...$2.5-$3M after taxes, I figure I could live on interest alone for the rest of my days. If that happened, I don't actually know if I'd bother calling into work saying I'd not be back...I'd be too busy leaving skid marks out the door.

      The only reason I work, is to support the lifestyle I like with the things I can buy, travel and do....

      I contract...so, I negotiate my bill rate to cover my time I want to take off annually....so, no need for extra vacation. If you want me, PAY me...pay me for every single hour I work, none of this salary BS where you get 'free' work out of me, etc. If you want to impress me, give me more money.

      Good for you. More power to you. Each person or household has a unique cash flow. Adapt your income and benefits ratio accordingly.

    11. Re:Not so fast. by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      I'm apparently Bob.

      I got a few nice raises - due to doing some good work, and deserving them, really - a number of years ago. Ever since, I've been told that "I'm already at the top of the pay range for my position" which they determine based on analysis of other companies in the area.

      May be true, may not. But I haven't had a raise to speak of since. Every year my buying power goes down and my bills stay the same or increase.

      And now they're talking "involuntary separations" in a few months. Isn't that a charming way to say "layoffs." "Involuntary separations." I'd like to voluntarily connect my foot wit their ass.

      No offense, but shouldn't you have jumped ship already? When I mention about the ability to trade salary increases for benefits, I didn't mean to do that shit forever. You do that for as long as it is financially and personally convenient and/or advantageous.

      Otherwise, jump ship. It is not something I though needed to be broken down Barnie style. SMH.

    12. Re:Not so fast. by dwywit · · Score: 2

      If you can't find a better return than that for 3 mill, you're not trying.

      Suncorp (Australian bank) is offering 2.8% p.a. for 12 months for up to AUD$499K, with "negotiated" rates for amounts over AUD$500K.

      That's a straight cash investment rate, the safest but lowest-earning category.

      AUD$3M will buy you 5 - 6 residential properties in fairly "nice" areas, and you'll collect about $450/week each. If you allow say, 1 place vacant at any one time, you'll still gross AUD$117K per annum.

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    13. Re:Not so fast. by Hadlock · · Score: 2

      When you stop getting 5-10% raises each year, it's time to re-certify and begin job hunting anew. I got a 5% raise followed by a 1.5% raise and within three months of that last raise had jumped ship.
       
      I suppose this is not true in two cases
       
      1. You're independently wealthy
      2. You've paid off your house and are already maxing out your 401k and have been for at least a decade (see 1. )

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    14. Re:Not so fast. by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      The stock market, on average, returns 7%, which is about 3-4% after inflation. So a big fat mutual fund is already 20x your investing strategy. Or you could invest in real estate, which, depending on how aggressive you are, can easily double that. Or (if you're feeling frisky) you could buy an existing, healthy business from someone else, and pay someone to manage it for you, for a guaranteed rate of return. Many non-profits offer a 5% guaranteed rate of return. Not to mention all the tax advantaged benefits when you start dealing in seven figures.
       
      TL;DR you're terrible at personal finance, take some classes.

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    15. Re:Not so fast. by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

      Not everything has to be a nefarious plot, even in cut-throat corporate America.

      Butters is that you? Get back here right now . I've got a plan.

    16. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you're a moron.

      Inflation does not stop. Every year your pay goes down ~2%.

    17. Re:Not so fast. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You would take a 3% paycut (inflation) every year in exchange for a static benefit? Let me know how that works out for you long term when you can't afford your vacation anymore.

    18. Re:Not so fast. by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Were any of those things literal interest?

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    19. Re:Not so fast. by gtall · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh, so it is easy looking for a new job, yes? Ever reach 50 and try looking for a new job? Companies only want to hire young and dumb. Your years of experience mean you are too expensive to employ. They also mean you are too wedded to what you have previously learned and cannot be up on the latest whizzy things or molded into the kind of corporate drone they'd like to see. Your health care costs will be rising as you plough through your 50's. And you'll be looking for an off ramp to retirement the first chance you get.

      So why would a company hire you?

    20. Re: Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Due to risk you would not want to be 100% invested in the stock market which reduces realistic returns. You might be able to get a better rate on an annuity dependent on age, health, and dependents. You would probably also want to increase your take in real terms based on typical salary increases if you are much below retirement age.

    21. Re:Not so fast. by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I'm always amazed at how many people are afraid to change jobs.

    22. Re:Not so fast. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Biggest load of horse shit. People want to get paid. Period. Perks do not pay the bills. The CEO wants to get paid. Period. He doesn't look for perks.

      Listen ass hole. There's something called inflation. Raises are nothing more than cost of living adjustments. It's part of doing business and is no different than companies changing pricing.

      Stop pretending this is anything other than screwing employees. And for fuck's sake no one is going to give an employee a raise less than a year when budgets are done on a YEARLY BASIS. Ass-hole.

    23. Re:Not so fast. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      And ass-holes like you don't understand the job market. How easy is it for someone to change jobs. Yeah because it's really easy to sell your house and pull your kids out of school and move to a new location just to get a 2% raise.

      Think before you post moron.

    24. Re:Not so fast. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Stop trolling.

    25. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the yearly raise, is -for most people- not an actual raise but merely correcting for inflation (on average, the explicit goal of central banks is 2% inflation each year))

      in other words GE basically just announced they're gonna stop adjusting their wages for inflation
      this most definitely falls under the category 'screwing your employees'

    26. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. I thought so at first, but further digging, this makes a lot of sense

      Yes. If it isn't money, it's not a reward. Period. If the business is keeping money that would have gone to raises under the old system, you're screwing employees. There's no amount of HR doublespeak that can change those basic facts.

      I for one could be happier with an additional week of vacation over a 2-3% increase

      In case you hadn't noticed, the labor costs of an additional week of paid time off *is* equivalent to a 2% raise.

    27. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn dude. You either 1) didn't get to drink your morning coffee; or 2) didn't get a raise last cycle. Chill out lest you have a stroke.

    28. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      That's why companies post "5-10 Years experience, entry level position." This is an employers market right now.

    29. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      You seem really angry about a notion that isn't new. Companies were starting to talk about buying homes for employees, more vacation, etc when I was in college over 10 years ago. Not everyone is interested in just money, some people want a place they can get paid what they ask and get more OT. A 1-2% increase for inflation isn't a raise.

    30. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      More that we look, don't see anything and don't know what to do. People are also creatures of habit.

    31. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Would you do it for a 3% raise? You already put a value on it, so where does it end?

    32. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then go get another job.

    33. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      He'd probably take mortgages out on those places as well to earn more off the rest of the money in the stock market.

    34. Re: Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Not all stock markets are the same, and there is plenty of diversification in the stock market itself.

    35. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Sure it does, it also stagnates and goes down. http://www.bbc.com/news/busine... Here's an article talking about US inflation being negative.

    36. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Why would you take it every year though? And in theory if you get more vacation time, you don't have to travel, you can stay home and save money on gas, and vehicle wear and tear, and meals out and such. You'll probably break even.

    37. Re: Not so fast. by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Boy, that escalated quickly!

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    38. Re:Not so fast. by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      I for one could be happier with an additional week of vacation over a 2-3% increase, every per year.

      Not me. I want the fucking money, give me the money.

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    39. Re:Not so fast. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      No, Bob lost 3% per year of salary to inflation, so after 10 years, is facing compounded losses probably closer to 25% of his original salary.

      I did a job interview several summers ago, where I ran into an old coworker who was still making the same amount of money that I made when we worked together nine years before. I didn't take the job, as I had two other job offers at the time. The company wanted to pay me 80% more money for doing the same work as my former coworker. Those 2% raises don't add up over the years.

    40. Re:Not so fast. by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      He can easily get 5-10% a year with an index fund, and some investments with a mix of bonds and stocks (including REIT) are at a 15% return.

      Hmm... Doesn't this sound similar to something that happened before? And at the end, they lost all their money because of their greed hoping to get 15% or more return... Remember, in order to gain, some others must lose especially in stock investment...

    41. Re:Not so fast. by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      Or lose it all in stock market. :P

    42. Re:Not so fast. by Jack_of_Shadow · · Score: 1

      Nope. You may have worked for a company that let you do that, but my experience in over 38 years at several different companies is that no, you can negotiate for 10 - 20 % more salary (as I have) but the things like leave and 401K contribution are set in stone and non-negotiable. Also, as another poster mentions, with inflation averaging about 3% per year, if you do not get a raise equal to that or larger, you are losing money and should get a new job... (That's actually what I do. Any year where I don't make at least 6% increase, I go looking for a new position, usually with a 10% increase in pay from the new company)

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    43. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Companies were starting to talk about buying homes for employees, more vacation, etc when I was in college over 10 years ago.

      And then the housing bubble burst, and people who were proposing things like you said got sacked and are still hanging around the unemployment line.

    44. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has been my entire adult life.

      captcha: encroach

    45. Re:Not so fast. by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      Ever reach 50 and try looking for a new job? Companies only want to hire young and dumb

      And yet, over the last year, my company has hired at least as many over-50s as under-30s, and quite a few over-60s.

      (USA, New England)

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    46. Re:Not so fast. by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      Why aren't you working contracts or doing consulting work?

    47. Re:Not so fast. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If I'm a valuable employee, and part of my value consists in knowledge and experience with the company, so I couldn't be easily replaced, why would the company want my purchasing power to decline, forcing me to take another job if I want to maintain my standard of living? TFA is about something an employer is talking about doing, not about what employees should do.

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    48. Re:Not so fast. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Changing jobs always carries a certain amount of risk, and that has to be balanced against what someone would get by changing jobs. Some people are more risk-averse than others. Some people are more rational than others.

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    49. Re: Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about all the implications, but whoever came up with this is going to get a big raise. Also, his boss and HIS boss and so on up to the CEO.

    50. Re: Not so fast. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the CEO and maybe the guy below him would have got huge raises no matter what.

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    51. Re:Not so fast. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And in theory if you get more vacation time, you don't have to travel, you can stay home and save money on gas

      I think you won the prize for the most depressing comment on Slashdot so far this year. I can't imagine anything worse.

      But really there's a more fundamental point here. Since when was a pay rise in line with inflation a "performance" bonus. For most of the civilised world those are two different things.

    52. Re:Not so fast. by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      This used to work extremely well for me.

      Now that I'm about to turn 35, I have questions about this strategy.

    53. Re:Not so fast. by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      Would you do it for a 3% raise? You already put a value on it, so where does it end?

      That all depends on the circumstances unique to each household.

    54. Re:Not so fast. by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      And ass-holes like you don't understand the job market. How easy is it for someone to change jobs.

      It all depends on where you chose to put roots. If you made the choice to put roots in Buttholeklahomabraska where you work for the one and only employer, well, yeah. Which is why I've always avoided living anywhere but metropolitan areas with enough employers to lessen the risk of change (a risk that will fucking happen at some point.)

      Yeah because it's really easy to sell your house and pull your kids out of school and move to a new location just to get a 2% raise.

      I wouldn't leave a current job for a 2% raise. And the question is, if shit is not working for you, what do you do. Yes, shit is not easy, but when you have to make choices, what do you? Stay put or move?

      Or how about this? Work as a contractor going to different cities while you leave your house and kids put? Does it suck? You bet. But if things aren't working, you gotta do what you gotta do.

      Life is not about making choices from a set of choices you like. It's about choosing from what life is giving you, and life ain't gonna give you perfect choices taylor-made for your own fucking comfort, specially if you, for whatever reason, you live in the middle of nowhere.

      Think before you post moron.

    55. Re:Not so fast. by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      To expound, my threshold to live is typically 5% up my current income if I have enough reason to believe I won't get there in my current job within the next two years. Or if I'm doing a lateral move, I might go for less if the technical changes will prove advantageous for my future. I would still try to get more, but if I can't I would negotiate for more vacation or personal holiday time.

    56. Re: Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment assumes that all adults will eventually have kids, which is a fallacy. Not everyone lives their life according to some kind of script like that.

    57. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Invest in cryptocurrency. :-)

    58. Re:Not so fast. by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      I for one could be happier with an additional week of vacation over a 2-3% increase, every per year.

      Then you haven't done the math. A week vacation is 1/52 of your salary, which is less than 2%. Get that 2-3% raise (which compounds every year) and take off that week without pay - you will end up ahead.

    59. Re:Not so fast. by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      When you stop getting 5-10% raises each year, it's time to re-certify and begin job hunting anew. I got a 5% raise followed by a 1.5% raise and within three months of that last raise had jumped ship. I suppose this is not true in two cases 1. You're independently wealthy 2. You've paid off your house and are already maxing out your 401k and have been for at least a decade (see 1. )

      3) You're over 50, where 5-10% raises are a total pipe-dream. You are already "at the top pay level." Unless, of course, you are an executive.

    60. Re:Not so fast. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      My last job hop was almost a 60% raise...I suppose that is what you get for being faithful to a company for 7 years.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    61. Re:Not so fast. by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      My last job hop was almost a 60% raise...I suppose that is what you get for being faithful to a company for 7 years.

      To get almost 60% raise from an initial baseline for seven year, that is the equivalent of religiously getting around 7% of a raise every one of those years (or a promotion to management.)

      Either way congratulation. And that was not just for being faithful, but because you worked at a good company. Most companies do not give more than 3% yearly raises. 4% or 5% is almost unheard off, and anything above that we are talking about major promotions above teach lead and into middle management.

      Ask around. There are plenty of people that are faithful for that long and still never get more than 20% of a total raise (either through promotion or cumulative.)

      Also, what is faithful? In corporate America, what is that? If you were in Japan or Germany where companies will cut a finger before laying off people, I can understand. But here?

      You are faithful when you do your job and go above and beyond while you are there. Faithful is not sticking around. I've seen plenty of dinosaurs sticking around in defense contracting companies, sticking around via red tape rather than adding value.

      I'm sorry bro, but to me the only type of "faithfulness" is to deliver value for the paychecks we get, not for sticking around for X amount of years. This is not a marriage, but a business transaction. Corporate America has made sure that this is the case, and if you, the generic you, don't see it the same and watch yourself, you will eventually end up playing Russian roulette with your job and/or income.

    62. Re:Not so fast. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I stayed at the same job for 7 years, when jumping away from there, I got a huge raise as my salary was depressed. I was faithful and was screwed by management for staying with them.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    63. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So even Burger King realized you're a dunce! I did after seeing your post history Coren22 and your huge mistakes https://slashdot.org/comments.... , http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , https://slashdot.org/comments....

    64. Re:Not so fast. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      Seek help, this can't be good for your health.

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    65. Re: Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly !!!! I cant pay bills with vacation time what idiots more corp. greed

    66. Re:Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This can't be good for your reputation what with you having become Coren the clown, KING of FAIL hahaha https://slashdot.org/comments.... , http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , https://slashdot.org/comments....

    67. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      To the first part, I have a lot of coworkers that take time off just to do chores around the house and get stuff done. To the other part, raises have sucked for a long time, many many jobs I work at give you like a 2-3% bonus even when gas prices were soaring and creating an almost 5% inflation. Most employers don't really care, I'm lucky now to work for a company and be in a position that I get my 2-3% and a separate bonus.

    68. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      lol, true, but that's really hard to do in the long run nowadays.

    69. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      I was asking the other poster.

    70. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      5% in two years means you're making the same as you are this year thoug thanks to inflation.

    71. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Actually it would make more sense to do it after the bubble burst and houses were cheaper. The equity that has returned would allow them to take out loans against the homes as they pay down the mortgages for the employee living there. Nice retirement package as well, here's your house and your 401k, have a good day.

    72. Re:Not so fast. by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Same for me, but we're young, guessing you're no older than 31.

  24. Re:We just gave the top 20% a 3% raise fer chrisak by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish I was just being bitter and cynical, but this just seems to be the pattern. Some of the jobs I plain quit, I didn't even hate the job. I would have been happy to stay there -- provided it didn't mean staying there, year after year, doing the exact same job with the same title for about the same money (or a "raise" that barely matches inflation). Not one effort made, not one single finger lifted to retain me as an employee, no matter how many compliments I got on my performance. Quite literally, talk is cheap. So I'd quit, everybody would act surprised, and I'd take my salary increase and my new title at another company down the road.

    And it kind of boggles the mind. Imagine if the first company hadn't wasted all the years they invested in training me and me gathering institutional knowledge and know-how. All of that was investment. All of it cost money. And instead of using what they paid for, they let me walk away and apply my skills elsewhere, occasionally with the competition. No wonder they can't afford to give raises.

    But that's not just one company, it seems to be every company now. It's the American way of doing business. Human capi^H^Httle management.

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  25. What's the problem? by tomhath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    GE is considering replacing the ritual of an annual performance review with having managers constantly give employees feedback. That makes a lot of sense to me - praise or criticize performance throughout the year rather than keeping a file and trying to remember what exactly it was the employee did eleven months prior.

    Second, they are considering something similar for pay increases - no reason to wait until the end of the fiscal year to give a raise. The top 20% will still be pampered, the middle 70% will hang around for a while until they get tired of lousy raises, and the bottom 10% better keep their resume up to date

    In response to this news, ErichTheRed writes:
    First it was "stack ranking," the process where GE fires the bottom-rated 20% of the workforce every year.

    Erich has it wrong. Welch advocated trimming the bottom 10%, not 20%. And having worked for GE for several years, I can assure you that those who were let go were never missed. The bigger problem was the top 20% who got most of the raises - they were all either ass kissers, children of managers, or helped along because of their "diversity".

  26. Sounds like a great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - signed a bunch of lawyers who sue companies for improper layoffs

  27. More Slow Growth, Time to Move Back to Cash by Proudrooster · · Score: 1

    So let me get this straight, GE is going to act like a startup to try and be hip and attract more young workers with flextime.

    Here is the reality of the GE professional workforce, they work you like a dog. Offering flextime and more time off is a total ruse. Even if you take time off you will still be hounded by your peers and India to help solve IT, engineering, and production problems. The main problem at GE is that they have a mature bureaucratic culture full of kingdoms and each kingdom is chronically understaffed. I have several friends and relatives that work their and it is a pressure cooker. Casual overtime is expected and 24-hour access to you is expected.

    So the reality is that GE is going to try to appear cool and offer undefined cool perks, which in reality won't actually be perks and the professional workforce will continue to churn and turnover.

    From an economic standpoint, this will mean GE like other large companies will not be contributing to economic growth and promoting the global slowdown by effectively hoarding cash by not paying people. This is terrible economic news. I plan to cash out of the market before the end of June. It seems that GE is going to lead the charge to kill the slowly recovering economy. No cash for you, just undefined perks!

    From my vantage point GE can't behave like a startup. This gimmick will end up as a bait and switch for young professionals. This is probably less about attracting people and more about cutting costs. Meanwhile their overworked professional workforce will continue to age while trying to support a massive amount of legacy systems and buracracy. Even with hordes of outsourced operations, GE still can't staff operations. Very sad.

    Meanwhile, all the young folk are going to SpaceX, Google, Apple, Silicon Valley Startups, and back to automotive (Ford/GM/Tesla) to build the next big thing, autonomous vehicles. I am really looking forward to my electric self-driving vehicle!

    For the Microsofters out there, how is Redmond doing on attracting and retaining talent?

  28. Random Awards and Superstition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    B. F. Skinner proved that when rewards are randomly given, it results in the development of superstitious behaviors. Whatever the animal happened to be doing when a reward arrived was mistakenly associated with earning a reward -- so that behavior is repeated over and over. And . . . it works! While performing the superstitious behavior, another reward (randomly) arrives -- success!

    In addition, have you ever been to a seal attraction where you can feed the seals? The seals will vocalize, flap their flippers, and engage in all sort of antics to get your attention -- and to get you to fling a sardine to them. Then you run out of sardines and all of that seal behavior you were enjoying stops. The behavior stopped because the rewards stopped.

    GE's new compensation system, therefore, will be for managers to continually fling french fries into the mouths of eager and motivated employees.

    1. Re:Random Awards and Superstition by Proudrooster · · Score: 0

      Most evolved companies have had the concept of the "spot bonus" for 10-years. Save the world and you get some cash and a gift certificate to take the wife to a nice restaurant. As a person who received several of these it absolutely did not change my behavior or attitude. The "spot bonus" or "random bonus" as you call it is too random.

      Instead of top-down cash-flow use "peer bonuses". Let employees recognize each other and create a culture of actually helping each instead of trying to screw each other over so they can "save the world" and be the arping seal.

      Here is a scenario:

      I need a database server built and put a ticket into the network and server groups.
      Rajkumar tells me they are too busy and can't build it for me for at least a month.
      I tell my manager who sends hate mail to their manager.
      Raj's manager yells at him and says get this dude off my back.
      Rajkumar tells his manager he can work late and get it done.
      Raj's manager is happy and gives him a "spot bonus" for making a problem go away.

      What is incentivized in this environment? Starting fires the need to be put out so you can get a "spot bonus".

      Instead, let peers reward each other. Promote positive interactive and not crisis management. Incentivize working together as a company and getting things done instead of constant fussing, fighting, and crisis management. Empower the people!

    2. Re:Random Awards and Superstition by flink · · Score: 1

      Instead, let peers reward each other. Promote positive interactive and not crisis management. Incentivize working together as a company and getting things done instead of constant fussing, fighting, and crisis management. Empower the people!

      GE had this, at least in in my division (Healthcare IT). I forget the exact name of the program, but any employee could write up a short 1-paragraph commendation for someone who went above and beyond to help them out and they would get a $50, $100, or $200 gift card, depending on the size of the solid. I'm pretty sure the thing went through some sort of managerial oversight to prevent abuse, but overall it was a nice little program. It felt good to be able to say "thanks" to someone in a tangible way, especially if they were on the other side of the country and you couldn't buy them a beer.

    3. Re: Random Awards and Superstition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have this at Intel. It is little used. Awards range from $5 to $1500, but $200 is the max level that won't get much scrutiny.

      I use it occasionally - giving awards in the $50 to $200 range. Anything less is just not motivating for an engineer. I can break wind in an elevator and it costs Intel $5.

    4. Re: Random Awards and Superstition by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

      Are these $50 to $200 "rewards" given as motivation, or as insults? Kinda like giving your waiter a fifty cent tip on a fifty dollar meal.

    5. Re:Random Awards and Superstition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A major competitor to GE in that field allegedly has this as well. It was introduced years ago, mostly forgotten, and is now for all practical purposes unused. Since you can't remember the name of GE's programme, it's probably about the same there.

    6. Re: Random Awards and Superstition by tazan · · Score: 1

      Yes, there's a danger of that. I got one of those once, a $100 gift card for getting a project done on time. I spent more than that on child care on those late nights I worked. It really only just made me mad.

    7. Re: Random Awards and Superstition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are motivation, at least for me. I racked up almost $5000 one year from these types of awards. The drawback I've seen is they aren't cash, you have to convert them to gift cards for a pretty large list of merchants. I find I can buy just about anything I want on Amazon.

  29. good idea.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    instead there should be a monthly raise.

    1. Re: good idea.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the super inflation going on in the US, I agree. Also, minimum wage should be around $50/hr, while other salaries should also go up at least five-fold.

  30. Cost of living by starX · · Score: 1

    Are they doing away with the annual cost of living increases, too?

  31. Getting ready for the new OT rules and the added by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    Getting ready for the new OT rules and the added pay for some people needs to come from some where.

    Also this will help us get more H1B's that don't stand up for them self's.

  32. Bad news by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    "...he didn't do the scoring, and has no idea how the scores work. He also does not know who does do the scoring."

    Translation: he gave you a zero.

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  33. Re:We just gave the top 20% a 3% raise fer chrisak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I must be rare - hired out of college 16 years ago by the same company I work for now. From entry level engineer to principal.

    I have moved between buildings or up and down floors a few times.

  34. No pay raise is a pay cut ... by davidwr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... after you factor in inflation.

    Well, most of the time anyways - yes, I know the USA has had a recent period of near-zero inflation, but that's not the norm.

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    1. Re:No pay raise is a pay cut ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... I know the USA has had a recent period of near-zero inflation,

      rotflmao

      During all those years of 0% inflation, college tuition and fees went up 10-15% per year.

      gasoline has gone up 100%, then down, up, down, up.

      housing prices have gone up 100%, rents go up 10% per year.

      health care coverage goes up 10-15% every year.

      ironically, except for gasoline, none of those things is a factor in the inflation calculation.

      If you want to believe in those zero inflation lies, more power to you.

      I had dreams of doing what my parents couldn't do – pay for my kids college. Well, that didn't work out.

    2. Re:No pay raise is a pay cut ... by jmcvetta · · Score: 2

      Presented without comment for your consideration:

      http://www.shadowstats.com/alt...

      http://www.chapwoodindex.com/

    3. Re:No pay raise is a pay cut ... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Lies that it is a period of ZERO inflation. costs of living have increase while pay has stagnated. that means the value of my dollar has dropped. Just because they changed the definitions does not mean the effect has gone away.

      We have had nearly a 25% inflation over the past 10 years. What you could buy with $10 10 years ago, now requires $12.50 That's real inflation, not the bullshit the government wants everyone to believe.

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    4. Re:No pay raise is a pay cut ... by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      I use the donut method of inflation calculation.

      20 years ago, when I moved into my current house, a donut at the local donut shop cost $.85. An apple fritter, to be exact.

      Now, that same donut cost $1.55.
      Same owner, same donut, nearly double (82.5%)the cost in 20 years, or around 4.2 per annum.

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    5. Re:No pay raise is a pay cut ... by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      Same owner, same donut, nearly double (82.5%)the cost in 20 years, or around 4.2 per annum.

      An 82.5% increase over 20 years is 3.05% of price inflation annually, not 4.2%. Keep in mind that inflation is exponential rather than linear. (1.0305^20 ~= 1.825)

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      "The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
  35. Plato the fish. by Falconhell · · Score: 2

    Whenever I see HR criticised, I think of this guys hillarious real world trolling of HR.

    http://multiversity.blogspot.c...

    1. Re:Plato the fish. by Falconhell · · Score: 2

      "Can I just mention that your ideas to rename HR whilst amusing are unlikely to be take up by the university"

      In light of the realisation that the term Human Resources is antithical to our diversity policies (which by the way were crafted by HR) I hereby suggest some alternatives:

      * 'The department of paper, rules and dogma'
      * 'Directorate (in an equal opportunities non directive type of way of course) of Valued Employees'
      * 'The communist party' - I think party has a nice focus to it, different to directorate comrade
      * 'The group of really nice people trying to get other really nice people to comply with the rules and policies we design to make it look as if we are really useful department.'
      * 'Slowing things down and stopping untidy innovation team'
      * A bit radical this - 'Administration.'
      * 'Directorate of creative mavericks and ideas control'
      * 'The Empire' - why is the only part of the university that appears to be in full blown growth, 'Human Resources'?

      - Platothefish

  36. Unionize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This whole deal of forcing counterproductive shenanigans on the workforce as a corporate head while at the same time running off with all the cash has happened before. Historically how this was countered was to form unions and collectively say no to the shenanigans and demand your fair share of the pie as opposed to fighting over the left over crumbs. Last time this happened we got weekends off, got to go home after 8 hours on the job, got benefits, productivity went way up because people could focus on doing their jobs as opposed to having productivity killed by the corporate shenanigans, and the American middle class was born. It is not coincidence that with the destruction of unions has come the destruction of the middle class and the formation of a new generation of robber barons.

    1. Re:Unionize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What utter Progressive revisionist garbage. The only thing I give unions credit for is getting 13 year olds out of coal mines.

  37. My last employer scrapped it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And giving $50 gift cards as rewards for hitting certain targets, was just not cutting it, so I quit, and eventually everyone on my team quit.

  38. Re:We just gave the top 20% a 3% raise fer chrisak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You're not rare. You're a fugitive from the laws of probability.

  39. Replace with Annual Lowering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That'll make the shareholders happy!

  40. Re:We just gave the top 20% a 3% raise fer chrisak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's employee lifecycle management. Your least productive year is your first year so your initial salary is depressed accordingly(knowing they can pay you a fair wage at the end of the year and call it a raise).

    Your second year is your most productive, so they have the most incentive to retain you.

    After the third year, they figure you probably hate job hopping so they don't have to try that hard.

    For the remaining years at the company: you don't feel the same need to hustle anyway, so they'll keep chipping at your salary figuring they have very little to lose with an employee who has demonstrated a tendency to stay in one place and is less attractive to other employers with every additional year he handcuffs his resume by becoming "over-specialized".

  41. If you are in IT... by eWarz · · Score: 2

    If you are in IT, chances are you have shopped around for wage increases anyway. I learned my lesson with a 'career' job long ago when management for said position couldn't be bothered to even give me a raise to the average salary for the position I was working in. 3 weeks later and a 30% salary increase...goodbye.

  42. Idiots at the wheel. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    "GE executives are reviewing whether annual updates to compensation are the best response to the achievements and needs of employees."

    Because we all know that the employees really dont need money. In fact we are hurting them by paying them!

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  43. I guess I'm lucky by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    I'm lucky that I sold a bunch of my GE stock at the opening bell... before hearing of this news.

  44. GE's Vacation time policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just a note but GE has already gotten rid of yearly Vacation time for their employees. Instead of earning vacation you can now take whatever time off you want as long as it's approved by your manager. But managers are not approving time because they are already short staffed and overworked due to many hiring freezes.

  45. No Worse Than Other "Incentives" by Carcass666 · · Score: 1

    Having managed at companies where IT is a support to (i.e. not the focus of) the company, the handling of IT compensation, annual reviews, etc. is always painful.

    • Mechanisms for reviews, metrics, etc. are almost always handed down the HR dept, and are usually structured around what 80% of the workforce does ("we build widgets") and not for supporting roles (IT, accounting, etc.)
    • Bell curves, stack rankings, etc. are usually dictated and force you to name at least some of your staff as incompetent, even if they aren't
    • Raises, bonuses and such are usually allocated from a fixed pool ("we have "$X" budgeted for the department for bonuses, merit increases, etc."); and rarely reflect increases in the marketplace
    • At least a large company like GE can vertically advance people to get them decent-sized raises. At small-medium businesses, this tool is not nearly as useful.
    • It always seemed that the only way to get a decent sized raise was to work there for a couple of years, evaluate the market, and threaten to quit once you have successfully interviewed for another job that pays significantly more.
    • If you do happen to have an outlier that you want to fire, you pretty much have to catch them getting ready to rape a puppy, warn them about it twice, and then wait for them to rape a puppy, catch it on video, and then you can show them the door. It is almost impossible to say "your code is awful, your designs are rubbish, etc." and get new people in, even in states that are "at-will" employment. This does nothing for the morale of everybody else having to carry the load.

    HR, like many entities in a company, are usually understaffed for what they are asked to do. They are constantly having to reshop benefits packages (especially medical insurance), organizing workforce morale opportunities (without spending much money) and dealing with the occasional case of sexual harassment, puppy rape, etc. The annual review/raise process is one-size-fits-all by necessity, and it usually works for nobody.

    I kind of agree with the idea that annual raises do not meet their objectives (especially when they are small). What would I like to see? Maybe something like an annual bonus (meaningful in size), accompanied by review of salary every two or three years versus current market data ("we see that since we hired you, your salary has fallen on the lower end of the curve of developers similar to you, let's fix that"). As long as the work is interesting and the environment pleasant, I think this would be a more stable option for IT professionals.

  46. TRANSLATION!!! by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    "We uncovered an opportunity to improve the way we reward people for their contributions,"

    We had this brilliant idea to STOP paying cost of living wage adjustments. Why bother, we can always hire H1B replacements at a meager $65K/year. Instead, we will give merit raises. Most all of these will go to mid-level management who usually impedes work rather than aids it. These are people we want to move up to low level executives.

    Those who work hard, are merely doing what we hired them for. So we won't reward them. As they burn out, we will replace them with $65K-H1B employees.

  47. bad for talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If GE doesn't give raises based on performance or merit, then it will not attract and retain those who have high performance or merit. There is a huge market for talent and if GE doesn't know economics 101 (aka the difference between price and demand) then not only does it not deserve talent, it will lose its place in the market.

    This is one of those "fall on your face" draconian cost cutting measures that guts the organization. Let's watch them do it, and then walk back when they substantially under-perform in production, technology, and competitive advantage.

  48. Bonus and base salary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Benefits (pension, retirement plans) are based on your base salary. Bonuses are not part of your base salary, so those can increase without increasing the cost (to the company) of benefits, whereas an increase would increase benefit costs, too. However, bonuses are taxes just as if they were salary. This is the "deferred screw-over" plan.

  49. You really have to wonder just how far these by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

    executives can be removed from reality...

  50. Translation by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    "We uncovered an opportunity to improve the way we reward people for their contributions," GE's head of executive development, Janice Semper, said in an e-mailed response to questions.

    Translation:

    "We found a clever way to screw over our employees and avoid giving them raises," GE's head of executive development, Janice Semper, said in an e-mailed response to questions.

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  51. how much of the 250B bailout does GE owe ? by Lord_Hastur · · Score: 1

    I am curious

  52. GE Employee opinion .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a GE employee - this sounds interesting. There isn't much room for raises and setting yourself above others. I do receive a bonus - but it isn't clear what my impact is - money shows up in my Spring paycheck - surprise. Sure a few can go "Above and Beyond" and receive $25 - $500 cash cards - or the President's award (I think $1,000). But only 1 or 2 people receive this top award (and usually for "writing a mini-van" and fixing it). So this new idea (while not rolled out nor any details) sounds cool. Back in the old days at a startup I could invent something important and they'd throw big cash at me, or stock options, or dinner out - I actually bought a car with the extra. GE doesn't do this... you get paid. Something that attempts to return to that "start up" model sounds cool - I could tie my work to reward and that moves the needle forward plus aligns everyone along Company goals.

    PD - All of this has changed now that PD is here. PD is great - I like it conceptually. But "grading" us is currently gone (haven't been rank/yank for years - but your Grade A,B,C,D, F was used to multiple bonus or determine salary increases - or build a PIP). Nothing has been introduced yet to show the relationship between PD and pay.

    Vacation: As for more benefits - all employees now have "permissive" vacation. I've had this plan for a year now and I'm not sure I like it. On the one hand I can take "what I need" with manager approval. Under the old plan I had X weeks of vacation and I could use that as leverage with a manager to say "I still have Y weeks to take before end of year." Now I have to ask permission - and previously I had 5 weeks. Now there's a guilt feeling of wanting to take 5 weeks- and I certainly didn't take 5 weeks last year just because I was busy and nobody was counting. Vacation used may be going down.

    1. Re:GE Employee opinion .. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Bob, get back to work, we don't pay you to post on Slashdot!

      -your boss

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  53. Re:We just gave the top 20% a 3% raise fer chrisak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've done some work for GE as a vendor, and pretty quickly saw that I would never want to actually work there. I started to write up why I wouldn't want to work there, but the story just got very convoluted. Honestly, it really comes down to large company politics and the patchwork management structure that occurs after layoffs and reorganizations, which is difficult to avoid if you want to work for a large company.

  54. Does this policy work across the whole company? by Rhipf · · Score: 1

    In particular does it also apply to management? I kind of doubt that the presidents and vice presidents (CEOs, CIOs, CFO, etc.) are going to be affected by this.

  55. but we have no details by cellocgw · · Score: 1

    Quote from the (largely useless) linked page:

    " [GE} aims to replace a once-a-year conversation with rolling feedback."

    So if in fact what they plan to do is hand out X% raises (where X >> epsilon) whenever the situation warrants either CoL or pure reward, that's fine w/ me. No reason to wait 'til the next year.
    But if "rolling feedback" means a $10 DunkinDonuts card, then yeah, I'm outta there yesterday.

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  56. They don't do annual raises by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

    This entire thing is total bullshit. GE does not do annual raises. They have an annual review process that is only tangentially related to the timing of your salary increase. One of the reasons I left was because only the "top talent" (basically the ass-kissers) got a raise in 12 months. For the common folk it was 16 to 20 months. And of course for the bottom ten percent (or if you pissed off your boss) there were no raises. So basically you get 2 or 3% every year and a half. Not even close to covering inflation. That was a decade ago, so maybe they do things differently now.

  57. Uh huh.... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    What GE has discovered is that annual raises are permanent. Once you give someone a 5% raise that rate of pay carries on forever (or as long as they are an employee at least). And the next raise compounds on the last one. So if you have a good year this year and a poor one next year the company is still compensating you in year two (as a result of the pay raise in year one) as if you had two good years.

    A bonus, on the other hand, only lasts for this year. The base pay does not change. Each year is a blank slate.

    The other thing is that salary reviews are always thought of in an upward trend. Any decrease in salary, or no increase, is seen as a punitive measure or even an insult.

    So clearly GE has a financial incentive to do away with annual raises. The question then becomes....what will it be replaced by? If, as some suggest, it will be replaced by other non-monetary benefits (more time off, flexible work schedules, etc.) that might be welcome by some. To me it seems more likely that this is a further progression towards the temporary employee. The first step was to do away with pensions. Next was the offshoring trend. Now the trend is moving towards employment based on a fixed duration, or contract based employment. Workers have predictably responded by changing jobs more often.

    In my own case, it seemed like the best way to get a raise was to change employers.

  58. I'm just worried about MBA spillover by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    I'm the original poster; didn't even notice it was accepted!

    The thing about GE is, for whatever reason, every single MBA program teaches that anything GE comes up with in terms of management strategy needs to be copied. Same thing with Google; our big company is now in the process of taking away offices and cubicles because Google does it and "collaboration." GE's stack ranking or elements of it have been replicated in basically every big company. Microsoft famously implemented it and immediately set up a back-stabbing office culture because even people who did a great job would eventually have to be fired or at least not get a raise. We had an ex-Microsoft VP of HR a while back, so stack ranking was in place for 2 years until they realized they were losing a lot of qualified people for no reason.

    What I don't get is this -- unless it's forced, basically nobody gets the lower ratings anywhere I've worked. Are there really people out there who don't do their jobs properly and actually get an honest-to-god crappy review? I'm no genius, but I haven't really experienced this. I've seen it used as a tool to manage people out, or reward favorites, and it's easily gamed. But I've never worked anywhere where someone has been fired simply for doing a bad job.

    So, the problem is that generations of MBA classes will be taught this new "no predictable raises" trend as dogma. Those MBAs will go get jobs at Accenture, McKinsey, Boston Consulting Group, or maybe even the HR departments of large companies. Instantly, employees will be turned into day laborers and have no yearly raise cycle. Even in times of low inflation, I can see that having a huge knock-on effect. Mortgages are designed to be painful up front but tolerable in the long term because the payments are fixed and people (should be) earning more over their lifetimes.

  59. Thanks for the info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check! Don't work for GE in the future.

  60. One stone, two birds by slapout · · Score: 1

    They won't have to worry about firing 20% of their people every year. Without raises they'll quit.

    --
    Coder's Stone: The programming language quick ref for iPad
  61. New method found to motivate employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We won't be giving raises, bonuses or any other monetary compensation for exceptional performance, because that hurts our profits.... I mean those things have been determined by our employees to be ineffective. We won't be giving reviews either because those limit our ability to arbitrarily lay you off... I mean that has also mean determined to be an employee dissatisfier. Instead we will layoff the US workers and transfer those jobs to India and China unless they increase their productivity and volunteer for salary reductions that make them competitive with third world hell holes. We have decided that their really isn't anything our US workers can do to compete with countries that have a standard of living slightly above the Stone Age and so rewarding performance simply is pointless. Additionally we see no need to offer bonuses or raises to our foreign workers either. Instead we will bring foreigners to the US from the Shit hole countries of the world under the H1 visa program and if the complain we will ship them back to whatever hell hole they came from. We feel these policies best serve our shareholder and thank everyone for their service and loyalty.

  62. solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    book titled "how it felt to work at GE and expose on their patent violations, software license abuse, customer fraud issues, and personal secrets of their executives and board members"

    best seller and potential movie

  63. Re:Getting ready for the new OT rules and the adde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mandatory OT for all salaried employees. Read this as: pay cuts. (They would be paying you less per hour.)

  64. Re:We just gave the top 20% a 3% raise fer chrisak by JustSomeProgrammer · · Score: 1

    I bet you could make more money if you looked someplace else.