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Gawker Files For Bankruptcy After Hulk Hogan Lawsuit (usatoday.com)

Gawker has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The move comes after the media house was ordered to pay up $140M to Hulk Hogan for publishing his sex tape. Gawker, which is known for its irreverent voice, is currently facing multiple lawsuits, backed by billionaire Peter Thiel, one of the people that Gawker has extensively reported on. USA Today reports: In its filing with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York, Gawker is seeking to reorganize under the bankruptcy protection and there's no indication, as of yet, that it will cease publication. Gawker listed estimated assets of $50 million to $100 million and liabilities of $100 million to $500 million. [...] Thiel's funding triggered concerns about the possibility of First Amendment rights being quashed by wealthy individuals' funding of third-party legal claims against media organizations.According to a separate report, Ziff Davis is interested in purchasing Gawker and various properties that it owns. Gawker media also runs Gizmodo, LifeHacker, and Deadspin among other popular publications.

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  1. Revenge p0rn by fermion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't care one bit about some paparazzi revenge porn site going out of business. Yes, it is troublesome that this may have revenge for some semi valid journalism, but the real blight on the WWW are sites like this that exist to do nothing but make money off celebrity mishaps. It will be good for these parasites to get a real job.

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    1. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, it is troublesome that this may have revenge for some semi valid journalism

      This all started when Gawker outed Peter Thiel for being gay. I don't see how that is "valid journalism". They have a 1st Amendment right to do what they did, but they are still scum for preying on someone's private life. What happened with HH went way over the line. They got what they deserved.

    2. Re:Revenge p0rn by xevioso · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But you might care about the excellent sub-sires operated by Gawker, including Kotaku.com, io9.com, gizmodo.com, and others. These sites are actually high quality, but their existence is predicated on the fact that Gawker.com itself gets many more views. So it would truly be a shame if these other sites disappeared. Although I suspect many of the commentariat here would shed no tears if Jezebel.com went out of business.

    3. Re:Revenge p0rn by Fragnet · · Score: 4, Funny

      Kotaku? Really? Did your mother hit you over the head with a spade?

    4. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those sites can all resolve to localhost for all I care. Good riddance.

    5. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These sites are actually high quality

      Fuck you too.

    6. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      excellent? kotaku? hahahaha dude...

      BUT assuming you're correct and they're 'excellent'. Someone will buy them and they will stay around.

    7. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of what people might care about ... why would anybody want to see a Hulk Hogan sex tape? The guy is OLD. Usually when you say something is "like watching old people fuck" - this is not a favorable comparison.

    8. Re:Revenge p0rn by JediJorgie · · Score: 1

      Except that most of those sites existed before they were bought by gawker. Can you name any that were _created_ by gawker?

    9. Re:Revenge p0rn by DRMShill · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh no not kotaku! Now how will I know if the new Fallout game reinforces rape culture and the marginalization of the trans community.

    10. Re:Revenge p0rn by lgw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But you might care about the excellent sub-sires operated by Gawker, including Kotaku.com, io9.com, gizmodo.com, and other

      Oh, I care. The best part of the Gawker bankruptcy is the likely death of the corrupt SJW pustule Kotaku. Their worse tham Jezebel, as no one is confused into thinking Jezebel is legitimate.

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    11. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Peter Thiel, beside being a bazillionaire, is also a high-level Republican donor and works to squelch gay rights while being in the closet himself. That in itself makes it newsworthy. Then there's the American trope that anything a rich man does is newsworthy.

    12. Re:Revenge p0rn by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Well, those sites (and I agree they're good) seem to be what Ziff Davis are interested in. With a bit of luck they'll survive.

      I'm really much more bothered here about the fact a millionaire can throw around money like this to shut down a news site, however lousy, that he doesn't like. Yes, it's Gawker today, but who knows who the next victim will be?

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    13. Re: Revenge p0rn by jeffasselin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gawker is a terrible bottom feeder. But when the next billionaire gets pissed at Slashdot for reporting on how his newfangled techo-marvel is a POS, and forces it into bankruptcy and closure, you might care more.

      This is not about Gawker anymore, this is about a billionaire using his money and influence to destroy someone using the legal system as a proxy.

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    14. Re:Revenge p0rn by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      *they're. Also, kotaku has some good stuff and makes some good points that are worth considering.

    15. Re:Revenge p0rn by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      Well, Sheldon adelson bought the Las Vegas newspaper that was always criticizing him. Surely that's 10x worse than gawker. Bezels bought WaPo, but I don't know the impact of that.

    16. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^ This right here.

    17. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rich guy just paid the lawyers for Hulk Hogan. He didn't pay any judge. If you don't like what he did, tell me how you feel about good lawyers working for free (pro bono).

    18. Re:Revenge p0rn by lgw · · Score: 0

      Once you come out on the wrong side of the culture war, I have no use for you. And taking either side is the wrong side for half your readers. Zero sympathy.

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    19. Re:Revenge p0rn by xevioso · · Score: 1

      So you don't like video games? They report on video games. What's not to like?

    20. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Justice being done is not "using the legal system as a proxy." If he was using his wealth to keep Gawker tied up in court until they were bankrupt, that would be wrong, but that's not what he was doing. He was funding a very valid lawsuit, which the court agreed was valid.

      Gawker's bankruptcy is not the result of a billionaire abusing his position; its a result of their own behaviour. I for one would quite like to see more billionaires funding lawsuits against the scumbag elements of the media.

    21. Re: Revenge p0rn by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      The only Gawker affiliates I have personal knowledge of are Deadspin and Kotaku, which are both trash.

    22. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...They have a 1st Amendment right to do what they did...

      People do not really understand the first amendment at all do they? In short, it's protection from being executed by the government for speaking ill of the government. People used to say "down with the king!" etc., while we were still technically British and then get beheaded for it, in post Bill of Rights America you're allowed to do that without fear of death. That is what the first amendment is for.

    23. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kotaku is well known for hiring neo-nazi psychopaths, posting rumors on hearsay, and banning anyone from their comment section that dare challenge their self-righteousness.

    24. Re: Revenge p0rn by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gawker is a terrible bottom feeder. But when the next billionaire gets pissed at Slashdot for reporting on how his newfangled techo-marvel is a POS, and forces it into bankruptcy and closure, you might care more.

      Gawker got curb-checked for invasion of privacy by posting what is basically revenge porn. In order for your warning to come true, Slashdot would have to do something similar, and I for one do *not* want to see a Steve Ballmer Sex Tape, y'dig?

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    25. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only sub-Gawker that isn't total cancer is Jalopnik and its subs.

    26. Re: Revenge p0rn by bws111 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What a pile of crap. Gawker was destroyed by their own actions. Period. 'The billionaire' did not publish the sex tapes. He did not ignore court orders to take them down. The only thing his money did was allow a wronged person to get redress. I guess in your ideal world a wronged person should have no recourse if he can't afford it on his own.

    27. Re:Revenge p0rn by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      I don't care one bit about some paparazzi revenge porn site going out of business.

      Nobody's going out of business. They're declaring bankruptcy so they can sell the company and get out of paying Hulk Hogan/Peter Thiel. They've already got a buyer and they've announced that exactly none of their flagship brands will cease publishing.

      This was all just a big dick-wagging contest. As long as Deadspin is still going, I don't care about the rest.

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    28. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, shock jock radio guy convinces world wrestling federation superstar to fuck shock jock's wife and then "secretly" records it and sells it to tabloid web site so that superstar wrestler can sue tabloid web site. That does not smell fishy at all.

    29. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and nothing of value was lost

    30. Re: Revenge p0rn by phorm · · Score: 3, Informative

      It wasn't even posting the material that probably did them in, but their entirely unrepentant attitude about doing so (I believe there was even something about a court-order being ignored).

    31. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      their SJW feminazi propaganda about games. same thing for gizmodo and io9. fuck those guys for trying to inject their sexual politics in every goddamn thing AND moderating out dissenting opinions. may they rot in a shallow grave.

    32. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Gawker is a terrible bottom feeder. But when the next billionaire gets pissed at Slashdot for reporting on how his newfangled techo-marvel is a POS, and forces it into bankruptcy and closure, you might care more.

      This part is FALSE.

      You see, reputable publications don't ignore court orders or brag, in court, about how they would publish sex tapes of anyone over four. If you try to sue someone into oblivion without a case, it'll just waste your money and you can be liable for court costs or reasonable attorney's fees, depending on the specifics of the case.

      So no, people who obey the law have no reason to worry about your hypothetical billionaire. But if you're bottom-feeding scum who flouts every law they can? You've already put yourself in danger and nobody is going to cry for you because the punishment you get is just.

    33. Re: Revenge p0rn by squiggleslash · · Score: 0

      Lawyers tend to work pro-bono for good cases for people victims of a massive injustice, and they work for the client. In this case, the lawyer was working for Theil and in Theil's interests even though he was "presenting" Hogan.

      Hogan is now fucked. He's not likely to see much in the way of compensation, because the intent of his lawyer - working for Theil - was to bankrupt Gawker, not get a big payout.

      So, not really a comparable situation for a lot of reasons.

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    34. Re: Revenge p0rn by Tharkkun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gawker is a terrible bottom feeder. But when the next billionaire gets pissed at Slashdot for reporting on how his newfangled techo-marvel is a POS, and forces it into bankruptcy and closure, you might care more.

      This is not about Gawker anymore, this is about a billionaire using his money and influence to destroy someone using the legal system as a proxy.

      Not when Gawker releases private data, videos, etc without the permission of the person being filmed. We're all UP IN ARMS about the FBI, NSA, CIA doing illegal wiretapping, recording, videotaping when they don't even view the damn data but suddenly we're okay with Gawker buying illegally recorded footage and releasing it for ad revenue. There's something really wrong with America.

    35. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're assuming that the percentage of the population are evenly split between both sides of the culture war, and that you're on the right side. It's not clear to me that either asumption is correct.

    36. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which one of those is excellent?

    37. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bwahahahaha, seriously?

      Seriously?

      Have you already forgotten about gamer gate?

    38. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of those sites are excellent and nothing of value will be last when they go out of business.

    39. Re:Revenge p0rn by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      "Congress shall make no law"..."abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press"...

      Please, can you show me where the AC was wrong? AC was trying to point out that it is a restriction on the government, it doesn't give you the right to say whatever you like, and there are some things which are expressly forbidden by law, despite it being against the first (just like the second amendment...).

      Gawker posted about someone's private life, where is that allowed?
      Gawker posted a sex video of someone's without their permission, this actually has laws against it, but I guess Gawker thinks it is allowed?

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    40. Re:Revenge p0rn by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Not fishy at all that Gawker published a video without the participant's approval, and there are specific laws against this? Not fishy at all...

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    41. Re:Revenge p0rn by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of worthless parasites!

    42. Re:Revenge p0rn by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you already forgotten about gamer gate?

      We're trying, but you idiots keep bringing it up like it's the fucking Pentagon Papers or some such shit.

      I'm telling you right now: Gamergate is going to slot right next to 'safe spaces' when future generations make fun of you.

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    43. Re: Revenge p0rn by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Would you rather see no justice for a person who had their sex video published without permission? There are laws against this, Gawker should have known better.

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    44. Re: Revenge p0rn by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

      Wait, you think rich people adding their money to their weight to throw around is something new and thus noteworthy?

    45. Re:Revenge p0rn by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Gawker posted about someone's private life, where is that allowed?

      It is allowed under the first amendment, specifically the part that says "no laws". Things don't have to be specifically "allowed" to be legal. They have to be specifically forbidden to be illegal. "Outing" Thiel was legal. Scummy, but legal. With Hogan, it was different because the video had been illegally recorded without his knowledge or consent. There are specific laws against that.

    46. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How dare a gay person not support the 'gay agenda' set out for him. Feminists do this too. They call women who want the traditional housewife role 'gender traitors.'

    47. Re:Revenge p0rn by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      Fishy? Maybe it was a nic summer's eve?

    48. Re: Revenge p0rn by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 1

      God I wish I had mod points today...

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    49. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only sub that have that is worth a damn is jalopnik.

    50. Re: Revenge p0rn by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What if that was Hogan's intent also and he really doesn't care about the money?

      Anyways, it was gawker's own fault. They published it, they refused to take it down when asked and ordered by a judge. I don't care if Hogan borrowed money or gave head to get the lawyer help, if he didn't have a case, he would not have won.

    51. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said.

    52. Re:Revenge p0rn by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      But you might care about the excellent sub-sires operated by Gawker,

      Name one.

      including Kotaku.com, io9.com, gizmodo.com, and others.

      No, name a good one. That's the best you can do?

      These sites are actually high quality,

      [citation needed]

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    53. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a different AC, btw.
      Gawker posted about someone's private life, where is that allowed?

      Where is it not allowed? This kind of thing happens all the time and I've never seen anything that says what you do in public isn't public domain. Like going out to gay bars, for example. Yea ... it's more personal than your hair color but it's still an aspect of who you are. He just happens to be interesting enough that people might care.. that he's a hypocrite who is hurting the gay community. hey... is that last part about being a hipocrite even true? It doesn't appear to be the motivation in the actual Gawker post. That instead says "This person is in the closet, but is a really successful gay man. Let's out him and congratulate him!
      http://gawker.com/335894/peter-thiel-is-totally-gay-people

      Pretty trashy imo. But.. not exactly illegal. In fact it seems that it is so legal that Peter Thiel couldn't directly do anything to Gawker and instead he chose to help someone else who was legally wronged by gawker. In this case, Hulk Hogan. I wouldn't think he'd need help but... Peter didn't do anything wrong by helping him. He was, after all, highly motivated. After all free speech protects you from being silenced by the government. Not someone with lots of money and thus power.

    54. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no not kotaku! Now how will I know if the new Fallout game reinforces rape culture and the marginalization of the trans community.

      Trump, 2016!

    55. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, how dare someone be called out for attempting to oppress the rights of others. Poor, rich white guys have it so tough these days.

      The best part is just a few decades ago his very party would have publically supported beating him to death for being gay.

    56. Re:Revenge p0rn by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Yeah, look at those asshats, caring and shit.

      Still, lifehacker is occasionally quite useful, I'll miss that.

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    57. Re: Revenge p0rn by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I think the bigger problem here is the insane damages they have to pay. There is no way it cost the victim that much, and while it's an awful thing to do and the editor should go to jail, bankrupting the entire business seems excessive.

      How is the amount calculated?

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    58. Re: Revenge p0rn by ZiakII · · Score: 1

      Gawker got curb-checked for invasion of privacy by posting what is basically revenge porn. In order for your warning to come true, Slashdot would have to do something similar, and I for one do *not* want to see a Steve Ballmer Sex Tape, y'dig?

      Now you got a horrible image in my head with the man yelling developers, developers, developers uncontrollably.

    59. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fox News reports on politics. What's not to like?

    60. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The best part is that a few decades from now, the blatant self interest, hypocrisy, entitlement, and ignorance of people like you will be looked at in the same light as your fellow bigots in the kkk.

    61. Re:Revenge p0rn by Fragnet · · Score: 1

      I love video games. That's why I don't like Kotaku.

    62. Re: Revenge p0rn by Livius · · Score: 1

      This is not about Gawker anymore, this is about a billionaire using his money and influence to destroy someone using the legal system as a proxy.

      It can be both.

    63. Re:Revenge p0rn by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      sure, but in this situation, there is little difference between posting the video in full or screenshots from said video. either anyone who did should be forced to pay the hulkster something or none of them should.

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    64. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're happy with corruption in a multi-billion dollar industry then just keep on reading. Some of us believe that journalism should have standards.

    65. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wrong, he just helped Hogan compete. Hogan had very little money for his legal defense. In order to take on a $100 million dollar company, Thiel simply provided the legal resources to prove whether or not Hulk Hogan personal rights were violated for covertly recording him having sex and then whether or not it was considered newsworthy.

    66. Re: Revenge p0rn by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is not about Gawker anymore, this is about a billionaire using his money and influence to destroy someone using the legal system as a proxy.

      Your actual complaint there is that the legal system is too expensive for even Hulk Hogan to afford, much less Gawker's other victims. If there were true justice, Hogan never would have needed Thiel's help. Thiel would have had no power in the situation.

      But make no mistake - Gawker is the entity that fucked itself royally; Thiel just provided the lube.

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    67. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lifehacker used to be good but went downhill a few years ago around the major gawker redesign. It turned into nothing but amazon affiliate shit and mobile phone apps and homescreens. Its editor also moved to Gizmodo and was responsible for that Coca Cola Mein Kampf twitter bot debacle a while back.

      Gawker taints everything it touches.

    68. Re: Revenge p0rn by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      bankrupting the entire business seems excessive.

      Look at it another way - Gawker's management was awful and it seems frankly criminal, from other media reports. Only by driving them into bankruptcy can a change in upper management take place . If ZD buys their assets, there's no way they're taking the management that bankrupted the company, through a criminal penalty, along.

      And we can then stop hating on Gizmodo, at least a little.

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    69. Re: Revenge p0rn by pseudofrog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No you don't. You just want to scream at your monitor about SSJJJJJWWWWWSSSSS RUINING EVERYTHING GODDAMMIT. Every "controversy" you guys levy at Kotaku proves to be absurdly weak. Your current tactic is calling every article you don't like "clickbait," thereby ruining yet another legitimate term with your lame windmill tilting.

    70. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Caring is not shit-stirring and being self-righteous. I was raised by Southern Baptists, and Kotaku and sites like it have somehow become their heir in finding the devil everywhere and self-righteously condemning it.

    71. Re:Revenge p0rn by pseudofrog · · Score: 1

      You believe in the SJW Illuminati. That's why you don't like Kotaku.

    72. Re:Revenge p0rn by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      I'm really much more bothered here about the fact a millionaire can throw around money like this to shut down a news site, however lousy, that he doesn't like. Yes, it's Gawker today, but who knows who the next victim will be?

      Honestly, what's shady about this? If you got accused of drunk driving, some helpful millionaire could step in and pay your legal fees. Who'd care?

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    73. Re: Revenge p0rn by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      He was funding a very valid lawsuit, which the court agreed was valid.

      Minor correction: he was funding a very valid lawsuit, which a jury of ordinary citizens who heard the case agreed was valid.

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    74. Re: Revenge p0rn by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      This is not about Gawker anymore, this is about a billionaire using his money and influence to destroy someone using the legal system as a proxy.

      Bullshit. What Thiel did doesn't trivially translate to attacking arbitrary targets. For it to work, he would first have to manipulate the target into shooting itself in the foot, like what Gawker did.

      So your real fear isn't that he's rich. You're actually afraid that Thiel is a kickass hyponotist.

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    75. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Developers developers developers developers....

    76. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Triple damages, typically.
      In this case damages were calculated as actual losses from Hogan being fired, and loss of future revenue. Not sure if 'suffering' was included in this, but it could've been. The judge presumably decided Hogan's current and future earnings could easily have topped 50 million, then tripled it because Gawker was not only damaging him but maliciously doing so.

    77. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, look at those asshats, caring and shit.

      Caring about clicks and ad revenue, sure.

    78. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing you aren't a big hit with the ladies, hm?

    79. Re:Revenge p0rn by sootman · · Score: 1

      > It will be good for these parasites to get a real job.

      Gawker, or celebrities?

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    80. Re:Revenge p0rn by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      I don't know what a culture war is, but I believe in calling out bad shizz.

    81. Re:Revenge p0rn by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Or maybe we don't like it because it constantly attempts to inject gender politics in everyfuckingthing.

      It's a shit website for actual gaming news and I'll be happy with it gone.

    82. Re:Revenge p0rn by Fragnet · · Score: 1

      No, it's more that I'm not a fan of smears and shoddy journalism.

    83. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing you aren't a big hitter in the critical thinking department, hm?

    84. Re:Revenge p0rn by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      If future generations are making fun of 'safe spaces,' then gamergate has served its purpose..or at least one of them.

    85. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well probably not by using Kotaku, as far as I know all they do is highlight various DeviantArt users

    86. Re:Revenge p0rn by Lehk228 · · Score: 2

      kotaku is utter shit

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    87. Re:Revenge p0rn by TheAngryArmadillo · · Score: 1

      No, name a good one. That's the best you can do?

      Jalopnik. I know a couple people that write for them and they've sadly gotten dragged into this bullshit. The rest of those sites can fucking rot.

    88. Re:Revenge p0rn by ATMAvatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Peter didn't do anything wrong by helping him. He was, after all, highly motivated. After all free speech protects you from being silenced by the government. Not someone with lots of money and thus power.

      It set a pretty dangerous precedent, though. Mess with the rich and get crushed by the weight of their resources.

      Any intelligent billionaire should now realize that all it takes to secure yourself against bad press is to make it known that you'll go scorched earth on anyone who releases a story you don't like, bankrolling anyone willing to start a lawsuit against that organization.

      It is completely within the law, just like the press is within their 1st Amendment rights to publish negative stories (within reason - i.e. libel and slander laws still apply), but it brings with it the death of free press, just as much as if the 1st was repealed.

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    89. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one forced gawker to buy or partially publish it. It was their for profit decision.

    90. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So suggest something better.

    91. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Public figures.

    92. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gawker used freedom of expression. Unless they broke into Hulk Hogans home and stole the video they published they rightfully published this video. It's in no way something like "revenge porn". Hulk Hogan is a public figure, and the video is in the public interest. If Hulk Hogan didn't want this video viewed, he should not made it or should have kept it safe and screened it privately among those he trust. He obviously didn't do that, didn't control the spread of this video nor cared until he figured he could fuck our freedoms for being a moron while not taking responsibility that is so typical of americans.

    93. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, nobody except Nick Denton wanted to see Hulk Hogan doing the nasty either.

      Although if a tape surfaces of Hulk Hogan _and_ Ballmer... Excuse me, I have some thing to attend to.

    94. Re: Revenge p0rn by sjames · · Score: 1

      Gawker made themselves a huge target for this by showing a remarkable lapse in judgement, but that doesn't negate the huge amount of damage a legal team backed by a billion dollars can do to practically anyone.

    95. Re: Revenge p0rn by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      No you don't. You just want to scream at your monitor about SSJJJJJWWWWWSSSSS RUINING EVERYTHING GODDAMMIT. Every "controversy" you guys levy at Kotaku proves to be absurdly weak. Your current tactic is calling every article you don't like "clickbait," thereby ruining yet another legitimate term with your lame windmill tilting.

      The University of Missouri found out the truth on that one didn't they? That SJW's do ruin everything. Besides, if "incredibly weak" looks like this then it's a very strong argument on itself. $20 says you'd be the first one running around saying that Sony really didn't turn around and threaten to sue Bill Murray. Or there weren't 15+ articles about the new Ghostbusters trailer and how AVGN is really a sexist-misogynist. Nope, not clickbait not at all.

      Stop being so damned naive.

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    96. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, you only read trash

    97. Re:Revenge p0rn by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Yeah sure looks like a lot of caring there. Ruining people, making sure that they can no longer find work. Let's hope you never run into that kind of caring.

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    98. Re:Revenge p0rn by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Jalopnik. I know a couple people that write for them and they've sadly gotten dragged into this bullshit. The rest of those sites can fucking rot.

      That's definitely the closest thing to a good site that they've got over there, but it's still pretty slipshod.

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    99. Re:Revenge p0rn by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Hardly a comparable situation. But I'll address it anyway and why it would be bad at the end of this comment.

      The millionaire in this case is trying to drown a particular enemy of their's in lawsuits, some legitimate, some frivolous (Hogan was semi-legitimate, though not $150M legitimate! "I invented email" is completely bogus.)

      Additionally, Hogan's lawyer worked for Theil, not Hogan, and so made decisions that were actually harmful to Hogan (but benefited Theil's agenda of killing Gawker.)

      But back to whether a billionaire (you said millionaire, but this isn't about millionaires) paying for your DUI offense is a bad thing: if a billionaire was running around paying for the defense of DUI offenders, in an apparent attempt to render DUI laws unenforceable by making them overly expensive to prosecute and ensuring that defendants have the best lawyers around and are likely to win over technicalities, etc: don't you think that it would be a massive distortion of democracy for one person to have the power to invalidate a democratically proposed and supported law like that?

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    100. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I don't care one bit..."

      Says it all there. Justify all you want. In the end, you don't care and that's the only part that matters. Stop contributing to the brain drain and use it instead.

    101. Re: Revenge p0rn by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Oh, so you'd be fully in support if Theil went into Gawker's offices and mowed down everyone with a machine gun?

      See? I can do false dichotomies too. BTW, "no justice" is more or less what's going to happen to Hogan, as I pointed out. Had Theil's lawyer not deliberately eliminated legal arguments that would have ensured Gawker's insurance paid out, Hogan would actually be in line for a big payout right now.

      Instead, Hogan gets his sex tape revealed, gets even more publicity for it thanks to the Streisland effect, and doesn't get compensated.

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    102. Re: Revenge p0rn by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      It was Hogan's intent to ensure his sex tape is publicized internationally and associated with an attempt by a billionaire to shut down a part of the media he doesn't like?

      I.. doubt it. I suspect Hogan wanted compensation.

      Compensation that, thanks to "his" (Theil's) lawyer, he isn't going to get.

      Hogan has been completely fucked over by this. Everyone knows about the sex tape, even people who ignore Gawker (which is most of us), he's associated with the world's most dubious lawsuit, and he's not actually going to get paid because the lawyer was, thanks to Theil's influence, told to prevent Gawker's insurance from being involved.

      (If Gawker had involved their insurance, not only would Hogan be compensated, but Gawker's insurance rates would skyrocket, punishing Gawker and forcing them to be more careful in their choice of articles. Everyone would have won.)

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    103. Re: Revenge p0rn by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Are you trying to contort this just because you want to argue or is there some deep screwed upness going on that you should have looked at by qualified professionals?

      It was Hogan's intent to ensure his sex tape is publicized internationally and associated with an attempt by a billionaire to shut down a part of the media he doesn't like?

      I.. doubt it. I suspect Hogan wanted compensation. It was likely his intent to bankrupt the site and take it off line in revenge for doing what it should have not done. Nobody except you and less than a handful of other lunatics really care about some gay republican financing it. What they did to hogan has it own merits and everyone seems to be content with the outcome. I doubt you are going to poke or provoke outrage over that.

      Hogan has been completely fucked over by this. Everyone knows about the sex tape, even people who ignore Gawker (which is most of us), he's associated with the world's most dubious lawsuit, and he's not actually going to get paid because the lawyer was, thanks to Theil's influence, told to prevent Gawker's insurance from being involved.

      As I said, perhaps getting paid was not the intent and screwing Gawker over to the point of bankruptcy was.

      (If Gawker had involved their insurance, not only would Hogan be compensated, but Gawker's insurance rates would skyrocket, punishing Gawker and forcing them to be more careful in their choice of articles. Everyone would have won.)

      Again, you are missing the entire point, Hogan likely doesn't even care to get paid at this point. He likely wants to see Gawker destroyed like they attempted to do to him. Except Hogan found a gay republican with deep pockets and won.

      Now, why are you so concerned that a gay republican was involved? Do you think Gawker could have stepped around losing this had no gays been involved?

    104. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hulk Hogan did not make the video. It was recorded covertly by someone else then published by Gawker. Your entire post is null and void.

    105. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only agenda that gay people have is the right to equality and the right to not be discriminated against based on sexual orientation. We want the same equality that's (rightfully) given to Asians, Blacks, Latinos, Jews, women, and going back even further, the Polish, Greeks, etc...

      Equality goes beyond the law. It goes into how people treat each other on a day-to-day basis. To those who say we're already there and to shut up: only 60% of people in the US accept gay people. This is shocking when you consider that people would be outraged if only 60% of Americans accepted women. Gay people have a long road ahead before they see equality in the US.

    106. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, the old libtard everyone besides white strait males is a victum mantra.

    107. Re: Revenge p0rn by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting point. It's just a chance happening though, if there were some way it could be legally mandated when the management like this kind of thing I'd consider supporting it.

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    108. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps. That's not what the article said, though. It was literally just: "Hey, there's this guy, who does this and that for a living, and he's gay." http://gawker.com/335894/peter... Here's the first paragraph: "By now, you've likely heard how Peter Thiel parlayed a $500,000 investment in Facebook to a stake now worth $750 million. There's been a crush of coverage on his $220 million Founders Fund, which may well change the way entrepreneurs get paid in the Valley. We know about his mansion (he rents it — clever!), his butler, his early-morning jogs. But what no one ever says out loud: Thiel is gay."

    109. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah yeah. Gays are sexist, feminists are sexist, blacks are racist, we get it. Anyone who defends a discriminated class is a bigot for recognizing discrimination. You are the champion for equality.

    110. Re:Revenge p0rn by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      This appears to be misinterpreting a sarcastic remark, and it gets modded +2 insightful? Anonymous coward posts start at 0 don't they?

    111. Re:Revenge p0rn by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      I could see how the AC's post could be interpreted as now you are safe from being executed by the government, but the government could still pass laws that ruin you financially. Sure, the first amendment isn't meant to protect you from civil/tort suits, but the AC failed to mention specifically what he was going for.

    112. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously know nothing about gawker, the gawker network includes jezebel that is a female issues site, deadspin that is a sports site, io9 that is science fiction, kotaku that is a gamer site and others. Gawker itself mainly covers celebrity gossip... Not revenge porn

    113. Re: Revenge p0rn by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      So "Gamergate" is all about SJWs then, rather than "ethics in game journalism"?

      Way to make OP's point for him.

    114. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She's saying gay rights advocates are the KKK, and other geniuses agree, because Slashdot.

    115. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there reason you misspelled victim? Does the liberal agenda want to enforce proper spelling?

    116. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amongst professional game developers Kotaku is trash. The site has repeatedly broke street dates on stories where they had signed an NDA - pissing off enough publishers that for years their scores are not amalgamated in Metacritic nor do they ever receive exclusives or early previews of games except from indies who are unaware (or unconcerned) with this behavior.

      Particularly sucks for the journalists at other publications that are bound to the street date; they were are getting screwed over by being scooped.

    117. Re: Revenge p0rn by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      So "Gamergate" is all about SJWs then, rather than "ethics in game journalism"?

      Way to make OP's point for him.

      Only in the way that they're linked. I know, difficult to understand. Let's go look at the various comments by those in gaming press and their previous statements espousing social justice points/talking points/blame and go from there shall we? We can even use yesterday's shooting in Orlando.

      So when said journo decides to get on their horse and start screaming that "because toxic masculinity" then paint all people who don't follow their view as misogynists, and use their articles to paint as such. That really is all about SJW's at the base of it all isn't it. Unless of course you're saying that an individuals biases in these cases aren't a reflection that they're projecting into the media. Not rocket surgery. When an ideology attacks anyone as the "out group" we'd normally call that a religion wouldn't we?

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    118. Re: Revenge p0rn by Maritz · · Score: 1

      lol. Funny how being scared of women manifests itself as rabid anger with "SJW" punctating every few words. Ethics in gaming journalism. Giant, giant, porn stashes.

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    119. Re: Revenge p0rn by Maritz · · Score: 1

      He's right though, isn't he. lol.

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    120. Re:Revenge p0rn by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Revenge Porn.

      I can do it too, two words that sums up the argument against what you typed. It isn't legal to post video of people naked without their permission, which is why porn companies get releases from the "actresses".

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    121. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...

      It is completely within the law, just like the press is within their 1st Amendment rights to publish negative stories (within reason - i.e. libel and slander laws still apply), but it brings with it the death of free press, just as much as if the 1st was repealed.

      Well, to be fair, we don't have much of a press left anyway since they allowed a handful of people to own all of the media. Add in blackballing by the white house if you don't play ball and we pretty much lost any semblance of a free press a long time ago.

    122. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aaaaaw ethics in gaming journalism SJW SJW SJW lol. :-/

    123. Re:Revenge p0rn by Maritz · · Score: 1

      I couldn't give a toss about any of those web sites one way or the other, but it strikes me your point is: "Those things you say are good are not good, they're bad." Amazing stuff.

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    124. Re:Revenge p0rn by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      I don't care one bit about some paparazzi revenge porn site going out of business. Yes, it is troublesome that this may have revenge for some semi valid journalism, but the real blight on the WWW are sites like this that exist to do nothing but make money off celebrity mishaps. It will be good for these parasites to get a real job.

      If you really didn't care, then you would offer no support to your opinions. Because after all... you don't care.

      I don't have an opinion on this because I really don't care. I never knew the site existed prior to this legal battle being reported. Maybe I heard of it, but I don't recall, because the content seems removed from me. That said, I really don't like people who seek out sites that they don't like and then complain about that site. Where you surf is your own choice and if a sites continues to exist regardless of your lack of support, it is because other people like it. Who is to say what is right or wrong for other people and what those other people may or may not enjoy. And shame on those who search the Internet for what they don't care to see.

      Implying that the ends justifies the means is not a strong argument.

    125. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Does he work specifically against gay rights, or does he just support the Republicans? Those are two different things; look at the existence of the Log Cabin Republicans, for example. Regardless as to whether it's valid journalism or not, he has every right to help someone else (Hulk Hogan) get justice from Gawker.

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    126. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      It's really funny how the story of "multimillion dollar corporation outs gay man, publishes revenge porn of working class hero" ended up with "progressives" siding with the corporation.

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    127. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      That only really works if the lawsuit has merit, so any good news outlet would be fine, while sites like Gawker that post revenge porn should worry. It's not a dangerous precedent unless you think all news outlets are guilty of the same shit Gawker is.

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    128. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      That would cover Gawker saying the video existed, not showing footage of it.

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    129. Re:Revenge p0rn by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      They do terrible reporting on video games, that's what's not to like.

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    130. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      The settlement was huge. Why do you think Hogan won't get much of that?

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    131. Re: Revenge p0rn by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Victim-blaming much? It's the same situation as that time a bunch of female celebrities had their iCloud account hacked and nude pictures stolen and leaked; Gawker was very much against it then, but for some reason decided it was okay to do it to Hogan. Those celebrities were all public figures, and just as much in the public interest as Hogan's video (which is to say, not at all).

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  2. Whatcha gonna do? by rnmartinez · · Score: 2

    Nobody gets up from the leg drop, they should have known that.

    1. Re:Whatcha gonna do? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Only on Planet Texas.

    2. Re:Whatcha gonna do? by geoskd · · Score: 1

      Hulk Hogan and Peter Thiel are true American heroes.

      Every time I read that, I get a completely different vibe and connotation off of it. Truly excellent statement, I genuinely can't tell if you're for or against the dynamic duo, if you are being sarcastic or reverent, or if American heroes is supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing.

      Well done sir.

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    3. Re:Whatcha gonna do? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Hulk Hogan and Peter Thiel are true American heroes.

      Hogan for President! And Thiel for his running mate! Couldn't be worse than Clinton/Trump...

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    4. Re:Whatcha gonna do? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "Hogan for President! And Thiel for his running mate! Couldn't be worse than Clinton/Trump..."

      Except for the evangelical has-beens who believe that a giant space humanoid personally monitors our sex lives, Thiel is the kind of billionaire business guy who Republicans traditionally like, as opposed to one who 'created' a fortune by starting with a big inheritance and flipping real estate while filing bankruptcy a bunch of times.

    5. Re:Whatcha gonna do? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Couldn't be worse than Clinton/Trump...

      That does make for an interesting point about this election I hadn't considered. Just imagine that Trump and Clinton both announce the other as their running mates. After all, they were real good friends before the election, why not?

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    6. Re:Whatcha gonna do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just imagine that Trump and Clinton both announce the other as their running mates. After all, they were real good friends before the election, why not?

      I've been expecting something like this ever since Trump went on his "they're sending us their rapists" rant. He's just too over the top, and very clearly playing a part above and beyond the typical say-whatever-it-takes political stance. My gut says he jumped into the race hoping to split the Republicans to a point where someone unelectable was nominated. A spoiler to benefit Hillary. But people actually started supporting him, and as he started saying ever more outlandish things in an attempt to intentionally crater his campaign, the support only got stronger. It's truly been enlightening to see how many bigoted, hateful, ignorant Americans there are... And how proud they are of their intolerance.

      It would be amazing if Trump got up on stage to accept the RNC nomination, only to launch into a speech about how he can't believe anyone jumped on board with the hatred he's been spewing, his supporters should all be ashamed of themselves, and he concedes the race. It would be the yuuuugest troll in history!

  3. Justice is blind by pseudorand · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Justice may be blind, but she sure is greedy. Not that I'm a huge gawker fan, but clearly having a billion dollars lets you have your way in the courts. Had they posted a sex tape of some average Joe and/or not somehow pissed off Thiel, Mr. Average Joe would just have to live with it because he wouldn't have the money to fight it in court.

    1. Re:Justice is blind by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bankrupt doesn't mean going out of business. If the bankruptcy goes to plan, they can stay in business however now owe the victors a dime.

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    2. Re:Justice is blind by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Informative

      It wasn't just that.

      It helped a lot that Gawker had complete morons testifying for their side, which managed to make themselves look completely unsympathetic without any assistance. There's a valuable lesson here: don't be a snarky asshole in court. People might have to hold their tongue when they're on your website and you make the rules, but it's ill advised when you're the one in the vulnerable position.

      And there's that the whole mess made Hogan lose a very lucrative contract, and he got awarded damages for that. Obviously it costs less to just embarrass an average joe than if your actions make somebody lose on earning millions.

    3. Re:Justice is blind by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it was some average joe then Gawker wouldn't have made a lot of money in web traffic off of the video. If it was some average joe then no one in their personal circles or employers would know or find out if it was on some web site, because it wasn't plastered all over the national news alerting everyone.

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    4. Re:Justice is blind by bws111 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have it backwards. The problem is NOT that someone with a billion dollars can 'have their eay in the courts', it is that it REQUIRED someone with a billion dollars to get these assholes to respect the rights of others.

    5. Re:Justice is blind by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      Maybe they shouldnt post sex tapes of people, and then keep them up when ordered by a court to take them down. Regardless of who was bankrolling the lawsuit its their fault.

    6. Re:Justice is blind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It helped a lot that Gawker had complete morons testifying for their side,

      Otherwise known as "editors" and "writers"

    7. Re: Justice is blind by jmac_the_man · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Justice may be blind, but she sure is greedy. Not that I'm a huge gawker fan, but clearly having a billion dollars lets you have your way in the courts. Had they posted a sex tape of some average Joe and/or not somehow pissed off Thiel, Mr. Average Joe would just have to live with it because he wouldn't have the money to fight it in court.

      I don't think you understand the argument you think you're making.

      Thiel thinks Gawker is a horrible and scummy organization because they invaded his privacy. (Thiel is gay, and Gawker outed him.) So Thiel is paying the legal bills for several plantiffs (most prominently Hogan) who are suing Gawker because Gawker also invaded their privacy. If Thiel destroys Gawker, they won't be able to violate anyone's privacy, whether they're rich like Thiel or poor like "Mr. Average Joe" or some of the plaintiffs Thiel is funding.

      The argument I think you're trying to make is that Gawker's conduct should be protected by the First Amendment, and because Hogan's lawyers were being paid by a rich guy (Thiel), Hogan won anyway. The thinking here would be that any chip in the First Amendment weakens it, so the courts can't punish Gawker for posting an illicitly recorded sex tape that doesn't have news value.

      But the way you said it the first time makes it sound like you think the problem is Thiel is treating Gawker's victims unfairly by picking and choosing which ones to bankroll. Rather than, you know, Gawker treating its victims unfairly by posting illicitly recorded sex tapes of them.

    8. Re:Justice is blind by flink · · Score: 1

      Bankrupt doesn't mean going out of business. If the bankruptcy goes to plan, they can stay in business however now owe the victors a dime.

      Until Thiel buys up their debt and liquidates them, I suppose.

    9. Re:Justice is blind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not true, they did do it to average joes, it was well known and it did ruin their lives. They just didn't have the resources to fight back.

    10. Re:Justice is blind by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Until Thiel buys up their debt and liquidates them, I suppose.

      That's not how it works.

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    11. Re: Justice is blind by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Honestly, is the case really that much different from this one:

      http://www.bbc.com/news/techno...

      just because Hulk Hogan is a celebrity doesn't make it suddenly ok to post a sex video of him without his permission.

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    12. Re:Justice is blind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God damn, that would be the icing on the cake. Please, please, please let this happen.

    13. Re:Justice is blind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the bankruptcy goes to plan, they can stay in business however now owe the victors a dime.

      That's actually a tricky issue.

      Bankruptcy law is enacted by Congress, which is not the highest law in the land.

      The Bill of Rights is the highest law in the land. The 9th and 10th Amendments make it so. A right to privacy can certainly be asserted against both government and private entities as a right retained by the people (9th Amendment). Indeed, if it couldn't be so asserted, no right to privacy could be asserted by the people, since the government could simply use 3rd party entities to violate people's privacy - a contradiction and hence unethical practice of law.

      It appears likely that Gawker violated a number of rights arising under the 9th Amendment, including the right to privacy. As such, Congress can not give them protection under bankruptcy law (or any law it writes) - it would violate the hierarchy of law that makes the Bill of Rights superior to mere acts of Congress (which would clearly also involve unethical practice of law).

  4. Mixed blessing by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the one hand I have no sympathy for Gawker and really don't mind seeing them go. On the other hand, it is deeply concerning that we may be in a situation where a billionaire can essentially destroy a company by funding lawsuits from other people. In the Hogan case it isn't clear to me if the jury knew that the lawsuit was being funded by Thiel at all, and this would be something that they should know. As a general rule, it seems like this sort of thing is a victory for the very powerful. After this, all media are going to think very carefully before doing any reporting on the very wealthy and be especially wary of reporting on anything Peter Thiel is doing. There's a clear chilling effect here.

    1. Re:Mixed blessing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it is deeply concerning that we may be in a situation where a billionaire can essentially destroy a company by funding lawsuits from other people

      That's not really concerning at all considering they were definitely guilty and deserved everything they got if not far worse. The real problem is that if Thiel and a rich celebrity like Hulk weren't involved Gawker probably would have gotten away with it.

    2. Re:Mixed blessing by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the Hogan case it isn't clear to me if the jury knew that the lawsuit was being funded by Thiel at all, and this would be something that they should know.

      Why does that matter? I'd say a trial should go on the facts of the case, not facts around the case.

      But then unlike you I don't have a J.D. from DeVry.

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    3. Re:Mixed blessing by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I think you are being really unfair to Mr. Thiel, a true American Hero.

      Incidentally, and apropos of nothing... does anyone have a list of other companies Mr. Thiel dislikes? If possible I'd like to cash in ^w^w^w help mete out justice to another despicable corporation.

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    4. Re:Mixed blessing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the Hogan case it isn't clear to me if the jury knew that the lawsuit was being funded by Thiel at all, and this would be something that they should know.

      The jury should decide the case based on the facts presented in court. Who is funding it is not relevant.

    5. Re:Mixed blessing by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On the other hand, it is deeply concerning that we may be in a situation where a billionaire can essentially destroy a company by funding lawsuits from other people.

      Why is that concerning? If a company does something which a jury finds to be illegal, why does it matter who pays the lawyers?

      After this, all media are going to think very carefully before doing any reporting on the very wealthy and be especially wary of reporting on anything Peter Thiel is doing.

      If someone does something wrong then journalists are going to report on it. Hopefully what "journalists" will think twice about is reporting on the private sex lives of other people. Our society is not enriched in any way by knowing whether or not some businessman is gay or straight, especially if that person doesn't discuss his own sexuality in public.

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    6. Re:Mixed blessing by traces8 · · Score: 2

      Is there a practical difference between this and crowdfunding the defense or a site or the eff defending a patent troll lawsuit? Others paying for legal services. Granted Gawker got what they deserved as a result of their terrible reporting and editorial standards but while I don't agree with Thiel on much his ability to fund others legal issues is what it is.

    7. Re:Mixed blessing by JediJorgie · · Score: 2

      The jury should not need to know who is funding it. They should be only paying attention to the facts in the case. The fact that the sex tape existed may pass the 'public interest/news' test, but the actual video does not. If it did, then sites could just post full length movies and say they are showing them because it serves the public to do so.

    8. Re:Mixed blessing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their repulsive behaviour caused this. Good riddance.

      Had they not behaved horribly wouldn't have got sued into oblivion.

      The whole 'a rich guy bought the courts and broke freedom of speech!' line is really fucking pathetic.

    9. Re:Mixed blessing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does that matter? I'd say a trial should go on the facts of the case, not facts around the case.

      Exactly !
      Whoever is funding the lawyers should be totally irrelevant to a judges/jury's decision. Otherwise it'll just come down to "I don't like who's paying for your defense, therefore I find you guilty, even though the facts show otherwise."

    10. Re:Mixed blessing by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I see your trenchant analysis has totally ignored the fact that Gawker was very clearly in the wrong the entire time. When presented with an opportunity to repent, they laughed and doubled down on their despicable behavior. It's a good thing that the billionaire came along, otherwise the victim in this case wouldn't have been able to have his day in court. The good guys won, the bad guys lost. That's how it's supposed to happen.

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    11. Re:Mixed blessing by steveha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it is deeply concerning that we may be in a situation where a billionaire can essentially destroy a company by funding lawsuits from other people

      I would agree with you if I thought that the lawsuit was without merit. Gawker would have been safe from Thiel if they hadn't opened themselves up to a ruinous lawsuit. They horribly invaded Hulk Hogan's privacy to sell ad clicks; there was less than zero journalistic merit in what they did to Hulk Hogan. So I really am not sad that they lost in court, and I don't care who paid the lawyers on Hulk Hogan's side.

      I also think there was less than zero journalistic merit in the way Gawker treated Thiel. So Gawker brought this upon itself two ways: it harassed and bullied Thiel, and then published the Hulk Hogan sex tape.

      The moral of the story is: freedom of the press is not a license to harass and humiliate people.

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    12. Re:Mixed blessing by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      In the Hogan case it isn't clear to me if the jury knew that the lawsuit was being funded by Thiel at all

      And if they did know they should be instructed to completely ignore this fact when deliberating on their verdict and focus on the person who lost a very very lucrative multi-million dollar contract... which they did and he was awarded damages for.

      Who cares who funds the lawyers? If someone had a huge agenda against Gawker that doesn't change what they did or how they should be punished for it.

    13. Re:Mixed blessing by phorm · · Score: 1

      Funded by a billionaire, but there was that whole public contempt of court aspect and what-not as well that tended to make the case against them.

    14. Re:Mixed blessing by JoshuaZ · · Score: 0

      A large part of the case concerns Hogan's claims. As a witness in the case, it is relevant to his credibility as a witness when he claims to have been damaged. That's some thing a jury should have known about or at minimum should have been made clear to the judge who could have decided if it were relevant enough for the jury to know about. It doesn't look like either of those things happened. Insults don't changethe situation.

    15. Re:Mixed blessing by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      If you think that's what happened then that's also not a good sign. If one uses your versions of things, then a legitimate victim can't get restitution unless they have a billionaire backing them?

    16. Re:Mixed blessing by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      It goes to Hogan's credibility as a witness, which was a major part of the case. At minimum, it should have been disclosed early in the case to the judge so he could have decided if it was relevant enough for the jury to hear it.

    17. Re:Mixed blessing by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Granted Gawker got what they deserved

      Everybody in this case got what they deserved. Thiel got outed as a hypocrite, Hogan got outed as a desperate has-been, and Gawker got outed as a rag.

      Fortunately, everybody already knew Gawker was a rag, Hogan was a pitiful has-been and Thiel was a self-hating gay man. The only thing that will change is that someone new will own Gawker and make money as they continue to ply their (very popular) trash.

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    18. Re:Mixed blessing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to America

    19. Re:Mixed blessing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What part of Hogan's claims are altered *in the slightest* by the fact that a third party was paying the legal bills associated with his attempt to have the damage undone?

    20. Re:Mixed blessing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How does the matter of 'who is paying for the lawyers' impact Hogan's credibility as a witness to the (undenied) fact that Gawker published a private sex tape of him without his permission?

    21. Re:Mixed blessing by mrbester · · Score: 1

      There's a large proportion of US that believes in the sanctity of marriage and isn't impressed when someone films themselves committing adultery. That this someone also happens to be a public figure known for not just wrestling and a Rocky film but a reality TV series where he is the overprotective dad who scares the shit out of any prospective boyfriend who might want to have sex with his legal age daughter as part of a relationship. Gawker, while assholes, pointed out his hypocrisy of "do what I say, not what I do".

      Should they have been sued? Damn right. Should they have been bankrupted? Hell, no.

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    22. Re: Mixed blessing by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      If one uses your versions of things, then a legitimate victim can't get restitution unless they have a billionaire backing them?

      I'm not sure why you think that Hogan isn't a legitimate victim. But setting that aside, in your version of things, legitimate victims can't get restitution at all, even if they have a billionaire backing them. That's even less just.

    23. Re:Mixed blessing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets say you have a vandalism case, before it one side (Hogan) does something stupid like playing some loud music, that pisses a second party off (Gawker) which turns around and smashes their mailbox, The original party (Hogan) turns around and burns down their house (lawsuit). After the fact it tuns out that a third party (Thiel) who also had had their mailbox smashed by the the second party bought the gasoline for the second party knowing full well what it was going to be used for. It would be hard to justify the claim that "it had nothing to do with the case". The only difference here is that lawsuits are considered a "legal" recourse, I think the facts of this and so many other cases prove quite the opposite. Over one hundred million dollars for a sex tape? Its the "legal" equivalent of an execution for stealing a TV.

    24. Re:Mixed blessing by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      It goes to his sincerity that this is something he thought damaged him. Frankly, if I were on a jury it likely wouldn't likely alter my response at all, but it is well within plausibly relevant information.

    25. Re:Mixed blessing by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      So the worst kind of overreach is OK as long as it makes Middle America look bad, eh? You people suck. You lose all sense of fairness and objectivity and just think that the people you despise should always lose. This is why the current year is so enlightening, we are seeing all sorts of people come out of the shadows and finally declare what they really stand for. Hypocrites, you say? Look in the mirror.

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    26. Re:Mixed blessing by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It goes to Hogan's credibility as a witness

      How? And before you answer remember just who was affected the most by Gawkers actions, and then think about if it affects the credibility of the case if you get stamped on by a big corporation and then ask for donations to help you fight a case.

  5. Hey pencil neck geek! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What you gonna do, brother, when Hulkamania runs wild all over you?!?!

  6. 1st Amendment? by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    WTF has the First Amendment got to do with this? The First only stops the government from censoring you. I, or any other private individual or company, can still tell you to shut up.

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    1. Re:1st Amendment? by quantaman · · Score: 2

      WTF has the First Amendment got to do with this? The First only stops the government from censoring you. I, or any other private individual or company, can still tell you to shut up.

      Aren't the courts part of the government?

      Any restriction on your speech, even those you agree to as part of a contract, have to be enforced by courts and are thus subject to the first amendment.

      I think the only time when first amendment is generally misapplied is when a non-government organization censors, such as a message board deleting posts. Even then there's ways in which the first amendment comes up.

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    2. Re:1st Amendment? by bws111 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wrong. The First does not say 'the goverment shall have no involvement in any freedom of speech issues', it says 'Congress shall make no law...'. The Courts are not Congress, and the Courts were not created by Congress, and the Courts are not controlled by Congress,

    3. Re:1st Amendment? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't. It says that the people can keep and bear arms. It does not say that you can shoot someone for pissing you off.

    4. Re:1st Amendment? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Wrong. The First does not say 'the goverment shall have no involvement in any freedom of speech issues', it says 'Congress shall make no law...'. The Courts are not Congress, and the Courts were not created by Congress, and the Courts are not controlled by Congress,

      The reason the First says that is that the courts do not -create- law. There's no reason for the First Amendment to say that "Congress and the Courts shall make no law.." because that's not the courts' function. They can certainly rule on whether laws that Congress created conflict with the First Amendment and strike them down if needed.

    5. Re:1st Amendment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike other types of civil restraint on speech, this requires the judiciary to determine whether or not something is newsworthy. The courts aren't simply facilitating the process, at this point (if the Gawker verdict is upheld and goes national) the courts are evaluating FACTUAL speech to determine its newsworthiness. If this was just an intrusion on seclusion thing, or publication of private facts thing, that would have been... not as bad as the current decision.

      Giving people positive rights about how others can use factual information about them is generally a bad idea, health records notwithstanding. We're heading towards Right to Be Forgotten, shitshow that that is.

    6. Re:1st Amendment? by bws111 · · Score: 2

      The courts certainly do create law. Read any transcript from a civil trial and you will see loads of references to other cases and why or why not THAT particular law should apply in this case. If Congress (or other jurisdictions) made all the law, all that would be required is a reference to statute XYZ.

      The law made by courts is called Common Law, and is the basis for pretty much all civil law.

    7. Re:1st Amendment? by trout007 · · Score: 1

      And who is doing the enforcing?

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    8. Re:1st Amendment? by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Wrong. The First does not say 'the goverment shall have no involvement in any freedom of speech issues', it says 'Congress shall make no law...'. The Courts are not Congress, and the Courts were not created by Congress, and the Courts are not controlled by Congress,

      The courts enforce laws. What's the source of these laws that abridge free speech?

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    9. Re:1st Amendment? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      How can people be so clueless about their government? It is called common law, and it has existed far longer than the United States. And in case you think it has no weight, you might want to check out the 9th amendment.

    10. Re:1st Amendment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This whole thing isn't about law. Gawker did not break any law, thus it was not a criminal trial, and also why the US government wasn't the plantiff. It was a civil trial to determine if Gawkers actions had harmed another person. The courts and a jury thought that yes, Gawkers actions did hurt another person, and no, Gawkers actions should not be protected. It'd be good to remember that yes, you're legally allowed to be an asshole, but that doesn't mean you won't get punished for being an asshole.

    11. Re:1st Amendment? by quantaman · · Score: 1

      The courts certainly do create law. Read any transcript from a civil trial and you will see loads of references to other cases and why or why not THAT particular law should apply in this case. If Congress (or other jurisdictions) made all the law, all that would be required is a reference to statute XYZ.

      The law made by courts is called Common Law, and is the basis for pretty much all civil law.

      It's a bit of a framing issue but I think of Common Law (or Case Law) as ultimately deriving from statutory law from congress. It's basically the courts laying out standards so that congressional laws are fairly and consistently applied.

      I don't think American courts can do things through common law that congress can't.

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    12. Re:1st Amendment? by truedfx · · Score: 1

      This isn't you or some private individual or company that's telling Gawker to shut up, this is a judge declaring that Gawker's publication was illegal under US law. The First Amendment is relevant. If the judge had ruled that Gawker's publication was constitutionally protected speech, the ruling would have been in Gawker's favour exactly because of the First Amendment.

    13. Re:1st Amendment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it doesn't. It says that the people can keep and bear arms. It does not say that you can shoot someone for pissing you off.

      Well it's strongly implied, at least the way I read between the lines...

    14. Re:1st Amendment? by TroII · · Score: 1

      This isn't you or some private individual or company that's telling Gawker to shut up, this is a judge declaring that Gawker's publication was illegal under US law.

      That was not declared by a judge, it was decided by a jury.

    15. Re:1st Amendment? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      That is incorrect. For instance, can you show the statute that allows you and I to enter into a contract? How about the statute that says I can sue you if you break the contract? Where's the statute that allows you to own property? How about the one that says you can sue me if I injure you? None of those statutes exist, yet those things are all covered under common law.

      Common law existed for centuries before Congress was even created. Torts, such as libel and slander, have been part of common law for centuries, and Congress had nothing to do with them.

      This separation of common and statutory law is so important that we have the 9th amendment to protect it.

    16. Re:1st Amendment? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Uh, no. This was a jury deciding that one party's actions harmed another party, and that the second party is entitled to compensation. There is no question of 'legality under US law'.

    17. Re:1st Amendment? by truedfx · · Score: 1

      Gawker had attempted to get the whole lawsuit dismissed, claiming the First Amendment allowed the publication. It was the judge, not the jury, that said no to that. If the judge had ruled otherwise, this never would have even got to a jury. But I did misspeak. The judge hadn't declared that it was illegal, merely that the Constitution didn't make it legal.

    18. Re:1st Amendment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Courts are not Congress, and the Courts were not created by Congress, and the Courts are not controlled by Congress

      Federal courts below the level of the Supreme Court are in fact controlled by Congress. Note the words "ordain and establish" below:

      "The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour" - Article III, Section 1.

      The word 'establish' means setting all the rules, excepting those rules that Congress chooses to let the courts decide for themselves. And, of course, if the courts don't follow the rules, then they aren't ordained (and hence have no legitimacy).

      There's also the issue of who decides what is 'good behavior' - one supposes Congress has a role here, though perhaps not the only one.

      Further, even the Supreme Court is controlled by Congress under certain situations:

      "In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make." - Article III, Section 2.

      Note the last phrase. The power to regulate is the power to control ...

  7. I had sympathy for Gawker until the trial details by FireballX301 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At a high level, sure, money shouldn't give you the ability to completely shut down voices you don't like.

    But at the trial, Gawker seemed to both not take the trial seriously (the infamous 4 year old line) and simply treated it like another story they'd post to get clicks. Denton and Daulerio seemed to think they were above the entire fray until the judgment, at which point they turned the entire other way and started trying to rouse sympathy from their readership. They mishandled their own defense to the point of comedy and made the jury entirely unsympathetic. It's hard for me to think they didn't bring this on themselves.

    I hope Deadspin and Jalopnik find new homes, there are some good writers for those two sites.

  8. Mixed Feelings by Thelasko · · Score: 2

    The Gawker site itself is trash. However, Gawker Media owns two of my favorite sites: Jalopnik and Gizmodo. I've noticed their content quality has been going down recently, I hope they keep going.

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    1. Re:Mixed Feelings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jalopnik and Gizmodo

      http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ blows Jalopnik away. And all Gizmodo ever did was rehash condensed summaries of other people's content.

    2. Re:Mixed Feelings by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      And Paleofuture.

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  9. Gawker bankruptcy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... and nothing of value was lost.

    1. Re:Gawker bankruptcy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I visit gizmodo and jalopnik religiously. Lots of interesting stuff there. Your opinion is wrong and you should be ashamed of yourself.

  10. Abloo bloo bloo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gawker, which is known for its irreverent voice

    No, they were known for being scumsucking bottomfeeders, the worst combination of clickbait whores and shockjocks.

    Thiel's funding triggered concerns about the possibility of First Amendment rights being quashed by wealthy individuals' funding of third-party legal claims against media organizations.

    LOL, As opposed to owning them and having them spout nonsense? Like Murdochs "media" empire? It is "reality" shows and Fox "news" that made the demagogue Trump possible, but we should fear the one billionaire bankrolling wronged individuals sueing bottomfeeders. I repeat: LOL.

    Who wrote this summary? Nick Denton?

    1. Re:Abloo bloo bloo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a lot more evidence of shitholes like CNN and MSDNC twisting shit up to get Hillary her place in the elections. Stop acting like this is some kind of right-wing conspiracy.

      The sooner we take all parties into account the sooner we'll get beyond this kind of shit.

  11. Why not both? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Actually, they're all horrible people that should be launched into the Sun.

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    1. Re:Why not both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What exactly makes Peter Thiel a horrible person that should be launched into the sun?

    2. Re:Why not both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of the Bilderberg Group.
      Involved in some of the scummiest sites on the internet like PayPal & Facebook.
      Funded lawsuits to destroy a company just because they pissed him off.

    3. Re: Why not both? by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      [Thiel is] Involved in some of the scummiest sites on the internet like PayPal & Facebook.

      Could be worse. He could be involved with Gawker.

  12. ridiculous vertict by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    You could murder someone and get off for a fraction of that.

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    1. Re:ridiculous vertict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adjusted for inflation, that fraction is just over one third. Considering the factors that come into play (potential earnings lost, money made as a result of the offense, ability to pay, etc.), $140 million vs. $50 million (plus criminal and civil defense attorney fees) is essentially a wash.

  13. The enemy of my enemy by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2

    Crushing a media organization under the power of one's wallet is NOT standing up for free speech. Even if it's a shitty company that was actually just used as a pawn for other rich people.I'm torn between celebrating this as a great victory and mourning it as a blow to an important pillar of society. Gawker wasn't just shitty for its hypocrisy on a variety of topics but for some seriously evil acts, not the least of which are directly related to the lawsuits at hand. In the end all I can say is I'm glad it's over and the world has a moment's rest before a "crowd funded" Totally-Not-Gawker picks up the pieces and starts spewing vileness again.

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    1. Re:The enemy of my enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two things most people forget about "free speech":

      1.) Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences of said speech.

      2.) Suppression of speech is something the First Amendment protects the GOVERNMENT from doing, not from other individuals.

    2. Re:The enemy of my enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can't, though. If the case had not been valid, it would not have bankrupted them.

      They also had the option to obey the court's orders, which they elected not to do.

      They have only themselves to blame here. Inasmuch as this is chilling to those who would steal sex tapes and set up a revenge porn site... good riddance. I could justify considering revenge porn obscene, which would strip all first amendment and copyright protections from that specific speech.

    3. Re:The enemy of my enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The damages are ludicrous for what actually happened. That is what is bankrupting them. A reasonable award, which could actually be paid, is not what happened here. Actual damages were tiny if they in fact existed, and punitive damages would not have bankrupted them.

      They did not make the tape. They did not cause it to be made. They did not steal it. What they did was wrong, but not over $100 million wrong. Courts should not apply huge sentences because the plaintiff (and his bankroller) want revenge. (Of course, the real reason for the absurd sentence is probably that the jury hated the defendant, which is not a legitimate reason, but is well understood to be the root cause of many jury decisions.) I believe that Gawker could legitimately appeal for a reduction of damages due to their being so far beyond anything justifiable.

      As a side note, being obscene does not actually strip all first amendment protections, it simply means you can make a case that there is a legitimate reason to ignore them. Of course IANAL.

    4. Re:The enemy of my enemy by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      You missed the part where the publication of the sex tape made Hogan lose his WWE contract. We don't know the actual valuation of that contract, but $100M wouldn't necessarily be unheard of in very long duration contracts.

  14. First Amendment Rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The First Amendment doesn't enumerate a right to say whatever the hell one wants. There is a lot of speech that is not covered by the First Amendment, such as libel, slander, defamation of character, obscenity, dangerous or inciteful speech, and speech with the sole intent to deprive others of a right.

    1. Re:First Amendment Rights by JediJorgie · · Score: 1

      The First Amendment doesn't enumerate a right to say whatever the hell one wants. There is a lot of speech that is not covered by the First Amendment, such as libel, slander, defamation of character, obscenity, dangerous or inciteful speech, and speech with the sole intent to deprive others of a right.

      So much this... the First Amendment certainly does not protect video that was neither legally recorded or aquired unless that video is so important that the courts decide that it is in the publics best interest for it to be seen. That in no way applies here.

  15. s/retarded/regex/g by epine · · Score: 1

    Had they posted a sex tape of some average Joe

    Gawker's entire defense, as I understand it, was that posting the sex tape was in the public interest because the subject was no average Joe.

    When the AI revolution hits full swing, we're going to here the elite AI dissing everything old school with the comment as the vapid mutterings of some stupid regex. Even the computers will soon know how little comprehension goes into this kind of knee jerk retort.

    Plus, no one is even going to watch the "average Joe" sex tape unless "average" Joe has a ginormous schlong (in truth, porn is fueled in equal measure by lust and envy, when it's not just about leering disgrace).

    In summary, if your grandmother had wings, she'd be an airplane.

    1. Re:s/retarded/regex/g by epine · · Score: 1

      s/here/hear

      I guess I deserved it.

    2. Re:s/retarded/regex/g by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh, whaddya know? My grandmother identified as an Apache attack helicopter. Strange world.

    3. Re:s/retarded/regex/g by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Gawker's entire defense, as I understand it, was that posting the sex tape was in the public interest

      I don't know about public interest, but it was pretty funny seeing poor pitiful Hulk Hogan boning the wife of a friend who gave him permission to do so. With a rag on his head. Many of you may be too young to know this, but Hulk Hogan was at one time a pretty big celebrity. Now he's gotta get permission from Bubba the Love Sponge to bang some bony old skank.

      And the engine of America's success runs on building up celebrities and then tearing them down.

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  16. Justice somewhere is a hope for justice everywhere by mi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Had they posted a sex tape of some average Joe and/or not somehow pissed off Thiel, Mr. Average Joe would just have to live with it because he wouldn't have the money to fight it in court.

    Thanks to Hulk/Thiel's victory, however, all of us average Joes are a little safer from media's prying eyes. And, given the government's history of buying from commercial suppliers the data, which it is not allowed to collect itself, from the government too.

    And, should some other gav-gavker find our sex-life worthy of publication, it would be easier for us to find a lawyer willing to work on contingency. The world really did become a (slightly) better place thanks to this case.

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  17. Re:I had sympathy for Gawker until the trial detai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    At a high level, sure, money shouldn't give you the ability to completely shut down voices you don't like.

    It's a fine line. There's a public interest defence on Gawkers reporting on Thiel, IIRC a closet homosexual who publicly opposed homosexuality?

    There was no public interest defence of the Hogan story and this kind of muck-spreading will not be missed.

  18. Re:I had sympathy for Gawker until the trial detai by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    At a high level, sure, money shouldn't give you the ability to completely shut down voices you don't like.

    My GOD MAN thats UNAMERICAN!

    But at the trial, Gawker seemed to both not take the trial seriously (the infamous 4 year old line) and simply treated it like another story they'd post to get clicks. Denton and Daulerio seemed to think they were above the entire fray until the judgment, at which point they turned the entire other way and started trying to rouse sympathy from their readership. They mishandled their own defense to the point of comedy and made the jury entirely unsympathetic. It's hard for me to think they didn't bring this on themselves.

    They probably didn't pay their lawyers enough either, thats a surefire way to make the American courts come down like a ton of bricks on your head! Lawyers gotta get their cash.

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  19. Full Disclosure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a lawsuit is not fully funded by the claimant or not taken on a contingency by the attorney, the source of the funding should be disclosed. I think is specially important in the damages portion of the lawsuit.

    1. Re:Full Disclosure by JediJorgie · · Score: 1

      Is that law? It seems to me like that would only matter if they were asking for legal fees, not damages, but IANAL.

    2. Re:Full Disclosure by Straif · · Score: 1

      Unless the funding for the claimant is directly tied to the defendant (possible fraud or insurance scam) then there is no reason the funding for the lawyers ever has to be know. Who pays for something should be irrelevant to the case and the judgement that is rendered, including damages.

      If Thiel was directly paying Hogan to going forward with the lawsuit then that would be relevant as it would go towards damages Hogan sustained due to Gawkers actions (direct damages would be loss of earnings minus any amounts paid to him by Thiel) but no one is saying that happened, merely that Thiel paid for the legal expenses.

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  20. Actually a lot of value was lost by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Gawker did more than tabloid journalism. If you read the rest of the posts you'll see that's what actually got them in trouble. They've been calling out the shady practices of a member of the 1%. The entire lawsuit was a hit piece called out them. It's chilling. The worst thing is how Gawker didn't take the case seriously. That was because they didn't know there were under attack. They probably though the whole thing was a publicity stunt from Hogan...

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    1. Re:Actually a lot of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've been calling out the shady practices of a member of the 1%.

      Michael Moore will be delighted that gawker are gone.

    2. Re:Actually a lot of value was lost by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gawker has made a long business of vile personal attacks. You seem to think that's OK as long as they attack someone you don't like. That's what's destroying America: anything's OK if it hurts the "other side". That sort of thinking leaves only rubble at the end.

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    3. Re:Actually a lot of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what's destroying America, huh?

      Would you also like to shake your fist at "the damned kids these days" for their hippity hop music and low-slung pants?

    4. Re:Actually a lot of value was lost by TroII · · Score: 1

      The entire lawsuit was a hit piece called out them. It's chilling.

      You say this as if the lawsuit was fabricated out of thin air and there was no cause for action. As if you think Thiel sat down one day and say "I know, Hulk! Let's make up something to sue Gawker about!"

      Gawker did something illegal. How is it a hit piece to sue them over that? What difference does it make who pays the plaintiff's attorneys? The suit is just as valid no matter who bankrolls it. Gawker brought this entirely on themselves. If Gawker hadn't BROKEN THE LAW, we wouldn't be having this conversation, Thiel or no Thiel.

    5. Re:Actually a lot of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gawker was a steaming pile of shit on every level, and I for one can't wait to see them wither and die. The only thing trashier than Gawker is clueless tube steaks like you that seem ready to defend their behavior.

  21. Re:I had sympathy for Gawker until the trial detai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At a high level, sure, money shouldn't give you the ability to completely shut down voices you don't like.

    This is America, there are different rules for people with and without money. And its always been that way.

    If you want everybody to follow the same set of rules, first you nationalize the legal profession and don't let them pick their own lawyer. Second you don't allow jurisdictions to benefit financially from fines or civil penalties. So if someone is fined for speeding, the county doesn't benefit from the process, the state above them does. If somebody damages public property, the city has to sue in a state court for those damages.

  22. The Power of the Wallet by twmcneil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nick Denton and Gawker Media were found guilty in a Court of Law of invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress. Things they appear to have done many times before to many people. Most of the times they did these things, they got away with their terrible actions for various reasons. Mostly, they picked on people who could not afford to fight them. In these cases, it was Gawker who was harnessing the power of the wallet in, or out of the Courtroom.

    Please don't cry about how unfair it was that Theil could bring down Gawker with his money. It was Gawker that has been playing that game all along.

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    1. Re:The Power of the Wallet by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Sounds good, but I hope this isn't a harbinger of a slip in journalism quality overall for all of the new sites who prided themselves on "not being as bad as Gawker"

    2. Re:The Power of the Wallet by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Most sites can't get much lower then they are already. I should probably remind you that trust in media is under 20% and journalists are trusted less then congress. Congress itself has a trust rating of between 9-15% of the American public. The entire state of journalism needs to be burned down and fixed at this point.

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  23. wouldn't want any of them as neighbors by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The dude used his wealth to abuse the already overloaded court system to even up a personal grudge.

    Or do you think Thiel would have backed the Hulkmeister's suit out of civic duty if Gawker hadn't outed him as a hypocrite?

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    1. Re:wouldn't want any of them as neighbors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see any problem in Thiel using his money to take out pieces of shit like Gawker. They posted illegal revenge porn and then refused to take it down when a judge ordered them to. It doesn't matter that Thiel had a personal interest in the case and none of that makes him a terrible person that deserves to be "launched in to the sun."

    2. Re:wouldn't want any of them as neighbors by lgw · · Score: 1

      The dude used his wealth to abuse the already overloaded court system to even up a personal grudge.

      This is vastly better than the non-court alternative: physical violence. A billion can buy substantial physical violence - not that I would shed a tear if everyone who has ever worked for Gawker on any of its properties all died in a fire, mind you, but there is always collateral damage at that scale, thus the courts are a far better way to settle grudges.

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    3. Re:wouldn't want any of them as neighbors by Tharkkun · · Score: 1

      The dude used his wealth to abuse the already overloaded court system to even up a personal grudge. Or do you think Thiel would have backed the Hulkmeister's suit out of civic duty if Gawker hadn't outed him as a hypocrite?

      That's how life works. A big news corporation screws with people until they finally jerk the wrong person around. Then someone with money helps that little person fight back.

    4. Re:wouldn't want any of them as neighbors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bringing a valid, non-frivilous lawsuit is not "abusing" the court system.

      Regardless of Thiel's personal motivations, he is using his wealth to get justice for injured third parties.

    5. Re:wouldn't want any of them as neighbors by Livius · · Score: 1

      Ignoring Thiel's motives for a moment, was the outcome actually an injustice?

  24. Lawyers Required, Billionaires Optional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is not the billionair, it's that lawyers routinely do this. 50% of the cost of flying is driven by liability lawsuits. None of those were brought by billionaires, but certainly were by predatory lawyers.

  25. Don't hurt people, simple as that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They WILL get revenge back on you, rightly or wrongly, frankly if somebody hurts somebody, they deserve all they get in the form of a bloody nose, like Gawker did. If you hurt somebody, it means you will have to watch your back the rest of your live, as they WILL be looking for an OPPERTUNITY to get pay back. As was done to Gawker. Welcome to life.

  26. Re:I had sympathy for Gawker until the trial detai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >money shouldn't give you the ability to completely shut down voices you don't like

    That's not really what happened, though. They *broke the law* and got kicked hard for doing so. That's how it's supposed to work...

  27. Good for the Goose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Gawker et al were cheering the Erin Andrews verdict so if its good for the goose why not the gander?

    1. Re:Good for the Goose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they're hypocritical holier-than-thou womynist scumbags.

  28. First Amendment issues? Not likely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a news agency is in the wrong it doesn't matter one iota WHO funded any lawsuit to demonstrate their actions were wrong. Now, does this mean that other news agencies may be more careful about what they say/report about Thiele...sure BUT any GOOD news agency already knows they have to be careful in how they report about people/events and at the same time the actual 'good ones' have balls enough to publish news that the public needs to know not 'sensationalist clap-trap'.

  29. This just in: DO NOT IGNORE THE JUDGE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    A Judge Told Us to Take Down Our Hulk Hogan Sex Tape Post. We Won't.

    Especially, don't brag online how you're going to ignore the judge.

    No do-overs. This ain't kindergarten.

  30. had to be damage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought there had to actually be damages?

    Seriously who wants to see an Orange Florida Man in a sex tape?

    As for causing emotional distress, could teenagers sue Orange Florida Man for emotional distress when he became a villain in his NWO days?

    And how can someone tell emotional distresses inflicted on Orange Florida Man with the roid-rage and acting?

  31. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nick Denton's asshole is up for auction ever day. For an extra $5, you can give him a dirty sancha.

  32. Re:I had sympathy for Gawker until the trial detai by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    They probably didn't pay their lawyers enough either, thats a surefire way to make the American courts come down like a ton of bricks on your head! Lawyers gotta get their cash.

    The courts don't particularly care how, when, or where you pay your lawyers. They're overworked enough as it is, do you think the judge cared about the details of the financial agreement with the lawyers?

    What they did care about was whether the videos Gawker violated Hogan's rights.
    And you'd better believe they cared a lot when Gawker ignored court orders. They tend to come down hard on people who do that.
    Gawker dug its own grave.

  33. Re:Justice somewhere is a hope for justice everywh by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Thanks to Hulk/Thiel's victory, however, all of us average Joes are a little safer from media's prying eyes.

    Now how does this court case make "average Joes" a little safer?

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  34. right ON!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as much as I loathe Hulk hogan and his behavior, I agree that gawker is in the wrong here..
    Im glad someone had the bawls to push something like this through.
    I'm glad that individual had the backing to see this through..
    I'm glad those Punk A$$ b1tche$ are going down..
    Now that being said, Whats happening to the others???
    How does this change the ladscape for those whom engage in poor behavior with regard to peoples personal lives, events or information..
    Ya know I just saw a BIT by John Oliver about Debt collectors, could this be applied to their crap behavior?????

    best to all,

    1. Re:right ON!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, as many have proclaimed,
      Gawker should have been dead quite a long time ago..
      although, the public out cry listed here for what should have been a small thing it somewhat disturbing..
      Are parents in our society teaching their own the wrong things?
      Should we as a society be more aggressive and less polite?

      such a cross roads, as parents how do we teach the right stuff and to whom??

  35. As Curly Bill once said.... by reverendbeer · · Score: 1

    ...Well, bye.

  36. Re:Justice somewhere is a hope for justice everywh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Celebrities get less privacy protection *due* to the fact that they're celebrities. If a company is going to get smacked down to the tune of $140M for posting a *celebrity* sex tape, they're not going to get away with posting the sex tape of a private citizen.

  37. My response by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    "Gawker has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. " :)
    "there's no indication, as of yet, that it will cease publication" :(

  38. just stop by luther349 · · Score: 1

    this is not a first amendment issue gwaker and there carelessness caused hogan to lose a huge contract and forever be flagged from doing the job he did all his life. thats the damages he was awarded for.

  39. let it die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    let the shitshow that is gawker die already

    all the contenct is shyte in the last 5 years.

    everything on kotaku is bought articles.

    lifehacker hasn't offered any new lifehack since 2010!

  40. Bankruptcy will be thrown out by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

    I am not a lawyer, clearly, but it seems to me that Gawker isn't entitled to bankruptcy protection in this case just to dodge the court judgement since the court judgement is the ONLY REASON THAT THEY ARE INSOLVENT as a company.

    Thiel and Hogan's legal team will have a filing before the bankruptcy court on Monday to throw out Gawker's petition and to stop the sale.

    The appropriate filing would be for Chapter 7 Liquidation and a court appointed Receiver put in charge of Gawker (thus firing the management) for the purpose of preserving assets needed to pay the judgement.

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    1. Re:Bankruptcy will be thrown out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would Thiel pay for legal action to stop Gawker from being dismantled. Isn't that why he funded the initial lawsuit in the first place? I wonder if Hulk has some sort of recompense contract with Thiel for turning down settlement money. Or else he was just a pawn for a some billionaire.

    2. Re:Bankruptcy will be thrown out by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

      Because this plan will allow Gawker to continue, perhaps even under the same management. Thiel won't want that.

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  41. If justice was actually being done... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Terry Balloa's newfound wealth would be sent to the mother of that 'ex-friend' his son permanently crippled with his shitty heinous illegal driving (and not demanding his passenger was wearing a seatbelt.)

    If we're going to start talking 'justice being done', there is a lot more of it to go around than gawkers usually lowbrow and usually non-life threatening crap.

  42. Rights VS polite society by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    I defend the first amendment just as I do the second amendment. Those rights are sacrosanct....

    But there are "polite society" limits.

    I don't condone outing someone's personal life just as I don't condone showing or displaying a firearm in public. It may be your right....but you probably shouldn't do it.

    Just because you can - does not mean you should.

  43. Really? by FoamingToad · · Score: 1

    If you think Kotaku / io9 / Gizmodo and the rest of that trash are actually 'high quality', I have to conclude that you were a late arrival to the web.

    [Compares /. IDs]

    No, in that case I hope you get over your recent head trauma.

    I take no joy in the demise of a business - because, the poor schmoes at the frontline end up having to find work in a country that is at least...unsympathetic to the unemployed. However with the demise of Gawker I feel safe to say: "And nothing of value was lost".

    [Re-lurks]

  44. Nothing for Hulk Hogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With liabilities greater than total assets Hulk is shit out luck. Hulk turned down substantial amount of money in refusing settlement offers. Hoping "his" lawyer funded by Thiel faces bar hearing for not representing his client best interests.

  45. Better late than never. by jcr · · Score: 1

    Those assholes should have been out of business back when they stole that iPhone prototype and tried to destroy the career of the engineer they stole it from. Peter Thiel has performed a great public service.

    -jcr

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  46. Winning the case was incidental by radarskiy · · Score: 2

    People are acting like there was only one case of this type, and that the objective was to win the case on principle.

    The entire point is that were talking about people with so much money that they can fund multiple case after case until the defendant runs out of money, regardless of what the defendant actually did. It is accidental that the defendant in this case actually lost.

    Mother Jones won the suit filed by Frank VanderSloot, but was financially damaged: http://www.motherjones.com/kev...

    How many "losses" like that would Frank VanderSloot have to suffer before Mother Jones was run out of business?

    1. Re:Winning the case was incidental by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      That's a really good point. Especially because the time and resources taken up by deposition and discovery are pretty heavy. Essentially this could resemble a financial DDOS.

  47. Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gawker and its SJW affiliates are fascist scum.

  48. Re:I had sympathy for Gawker until the trial detai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope every single Gawker property is gutted by angry people with broken beer bottles. It's all garbage that deserves nothing less.

  49. Re:I had sympathy for Gawker until the trial detai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IIRC a closet homosexual who publicly opposed homosexuality?

    Citation?

  50. Re:Justice somewhere is a hope for justice everywh by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

    Thanks to Hulk/Thiel's victory, however, all of us average Joes are a little safer from media's prying eyes.

    Now how does this court case make "average Joes" a little safer?

    You don't know what 'precedent' means,do you?

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  51. Re:I had sympathy for Gawker until the trial detai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Second you don't allow jurisdictions to benefit financially from fines or civil penalties. So if someone is fined for speeding, the county doesn't benefit from the process, the state above them does. If somebody damages public property, the city has to sue in a state court for those damages.

    Something along these lines is actually a legal requirement arising from the Bill of Rights, specifically the dual rights to ethical government and ethical practice of law (protected under the 9th and 10th Amendments, rights "retained by" and "reserved to" the people). Fines and penalties can't go into the budget of the government assessing them, as that represents ethical conflict of interest (even if the money is laundered to hide the conflict of interest by claims that it goes into a different 'part' of the budget, it's still unethical: money laundering does not make money clean).

    But the lawyers depend on unethical practice of law for a living. The legal system is far more complex, confusing, and even contradictory then it needs to be, and that creates artificial demand for the services of lawyers, the same people who write, judge, and prosecute the laws. It's a huge unethical scam. The lawyers have huge influence over the selection of judges, as well, thanks to the corrupt nature of lobbying and campaign contributions in US politics (under rules created by the lawyers), so they ensure nobody gets selected who will rock the ethics boat. It's not an accident that tort reform hasn't happened, or that associations of lawyers are donating huge amounts of money to certain political organizations.

    As a result, the requirement of ethical government is routinely ignored. Many governments in the USA are routinely breaking the law, and it seems little can be done about it. Not the first time in US history this has been the case, of course. Slavery and the Jim Crow laws provide classic examples from the past. Barring a massive civil rights movement or another Civil War, illegal conduct by government on a massive scale is likely to continue indefinitely.