A Tour of Campus 2, Apple's Upcoming Headquarters (popsci.com)

Dave Knott writes from a report via Popular Science: Popular Science has an article detailing Campus 2, Apple's upcoming headquarters, including a video with a tour of the complex which is still under construction. The Spaceship, as many have nicknamed it, is over one mile in circumference and when it is completed later this year it will house 13,000 employees. Its exterior will largely be composed of thousands of huge curved glass planes; the floors and ceilings will be constructed from hollow concrete slabs that allow the building to "breathe," bolstering its eco-friendly qualities. Campus 2 will run entirely on renewable energy, with rooftop solar panels providing an output of 16 megawatts of power and acting as the campus's primary energy supplier. Upon completion, the main building will have four stories above ground and three below, with numerous other facilities including seven cafes, a fitness center and a 120,000 square-foot theater where Apple will hold its famous product announcements. Construction on the building is expected to be finished by the end of 2016. Interesting facts: Apple used 4,300 concrete slabs, weighing a total of 212 tons, to create the structure. The Spaceship also features 330-ton, 92-foot-tall steel reinforced doors for its restaurant -- the dining-hall doors alone span 60,000 square feet and collectively weigh 330 tons. The campus boasts 900 panels of vertical glass, 1,600 panes of canopy glass, 510 panes of clerestory glass, and 126 panes for skylight glass (3,000 total). The total cost of the project is approximately $5 billion.

Comments

Re:Is this...

[Anonymous Coward]

Where they plan on housing all the non-existent talent that they need to actually maintain and improve OS X and iOS these days?

First post in the thread and it's dripping with irrational hatred. You really need to go and get some therapy....

330-ton restaurant doors?

[Entrope]

I don't always build environmentally friendly campuses, but when I do, the restaurant doors are 92 feet talk and weigh 330 tons. Because energy efficiency when opening them.

Re:330-ton restaurant doors?

[thesupraman]

Don't worry, they are needed to stop the whole building floating away, since all its concrete slabs only weight 212 tons in total ;)
This is really a new low in the example of 'believe anything because... APPLE!', really, this summary is glaringly ridiculous.

Re:330-ton restaurant doors?

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

And on the 92 foot doors these words appear:
'My name is Applemandius, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'

Re:330-ton restaurant doors?

[St.Creed]

Either that, or "Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin" :)

Re:330-ton restaurant doors?

[Anonymous Coward]

Even more impressive is that, at 92' tall, they are several stories taller than the building itself!

How can a magazine with the word 'Science' in its name be able to produce such nonsense?

Presumably the doors are 92' wide, and only as tall as the building (52').

dom

Re:330-ton restaurant doors?

[angel'o'sphere]

As the doors are likely simple swinging or sliding doors: they don't use much energy.
You had a point if the doors are lifted up and sliding down.

Hint: try to push a car. A single person easily pushes a two tons car, as soon as the car is moving you can push it as far as you can walk.

Re: 330-ton restaurant doors?

[Entrope]

So Spoke just need to get 165 people to open or close their cafe doors? Hint: That's not how static friction works.

Basically no pivot will work well for a 330-ton swinging door, and you'd need something like railcar wheels to make it roll. How well can you push a few fully loaded railway freight cars?

Re: 330-ton restaurant doors?

[Entrope]

Good grief, this phone keyboard is awful. That post should start "So Apple..."

Re: 330-ton restaurant doors?

[Coren22]

The 330 ton is given as a collective weight, but I am not sure what the 92 feet is unless that is the height if all the doors are stacked. It however makes no sense at all. Why give the collective weight and height of the doors like that is some kind of measurement of anything useful?

Anecdotal evidence

[OpenSourced]

It's said that, usually, when a company builds some "flagship headquarters", that marks the apex of said company, and it's all downhill from then on. We'll see.

Re:Anecdotal evidence

[PolygamousRanchKid]

Well, if an innovative company has too much cash in the bank . . . you would think that they would invest it in new technology R&D projects, instead of building luxury cubicles.

In the case of Apple, they could invest in new Cloud, Cognitive and IoT technologies!

On second thought, maybe those luxury cubicles aren't so a bad investment, after all, compared with the alternatives.

Re:Anecdotal evidence

[NotInHere]

Elon Musk is a bit critical about silicon valley, saying that there is too much talent bound by internet startups.

I think he is right. We do need people to innovate in many other areas as well, and apply the same kind of "disruption" in non-software markets. Tesla is really disrupting the car industry, and there are many more industries.

I think one sector which still can see lots of growth and innovation is the medicine sector. We haven't understood so many processes in the body, and health issues impact the lives of many people sometimes very severely.

Also, I think politics needs disruption as well. Think of climate change for example, the threat of islamism and other despotist ideologies, or of instable states around the globe. All these problems are really complex and solving them requires really good skills.

Working for startups that disrupt how one tags images or something is really waste of talent IMO. Also, there is lots of potential $$$ to be made on this.

Re:Anecdotal evidence

[just another AC]

, the threat of islamism and other despotist ideologies,

Disclaimer: I am an athiest, verging on being anti-theist.

I think you mean the threat of extremism. Islam is not the problem, a bunch of nutjobs claiming to represent it is. Because I can bet my bottom dollar that you would not have substituted christianity into that sentence without toning it down.

And if you banned islam tomorrow, nutjobs would claim to represent something else. It might take a generation to find that something, but they would.

Re: Anecdotal evidence

[Entrope]

You did notice that he wrote "Islamism", not "Islam", right?

Re:Anecdotal evidence

[0100010001010011]

Apple, going out of business since the 90s.

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo...

Re:Anecdotal evidence

[Applehu Akbar]

It looks as though politics is being disrupted right now.

Re:Anecdotal evidence

[angel'o'sphere]

In the case of Apple, they could invest in new Cloud, Cognitive and IoT technologies!
Why should they? this argument is so typical American, I don't grasp it.

The Cloud market is saturated by Google, Amazon, even Microsoft. Why would anyone sane invest into that? Oh: because he has more money and can use that as a weapon to kill the competition. What benefit does that have? I tell you: none at all.

Cognitive Technologies are very special things, why should a company that has no experience at all invest into that? (except of buying some natural language processing companies, and not even trying to use that on the market. E.g. Macs can respond to spoken commands and read everything on the screen since decades. No one is using it.)
Hint: there is no way that any company can catch up with the three or 4 leading labs and Goolges deep learning networks in the following decade. It is a waste of money to even try.

"IoT technologies!" ... the same as the first answer, allow me to just copy paste: Why would anyone sane invest into that? Oh: because he has more money and can use that as a weapon to kill the competition. What benefit does that have? I tell you: none at all.

I rather have Apple explore and invest into stuff: no one else does than copy catting bullshit like IoT. The likelihood that I ever will have a use for an IoT device is: zero most likely the same for an "cognitive unit".

Re:Anecdotal evidence

[angel'o'sphere]

Tesla is really disrupting the car industry, and there are many more industries.
Because other companies did not get their ass up. And because they were slaves to the oil industry. I really wonder that Musk did not die to a mysterious accident.

The technology, not as advanced than right now, to have cars run electric, we have since over a hundred years.

Around 1900 basically all "delivery cars" where electric. Around 1985 all concept electric cars were similar to Tesla's except for range.

Also, I think politics needs disruption as well.
Definitely. A politician lying in public about scientific facts, just because he has an agenda or is either to dumb to grasp it should be banned from politics. Fuck "free speech". Misleading the voters, the general populace to vote for bullshit is a crime to mankind.

The world is to small and the influence of tiny few hundred million nations/blocks is to big to let them run lose and cause havoc without consequences to the leaders.

We caught Ratko Mladic and Slobodan Milosevic etc., put them on trial and locked them away.

The assholes who started around 1990 the "climate debate" are the real mass murderers in relation to the Serbian genocide causers.

Instead of exporting ideology western nations should focus on "trade on equal terms", not on "free to exploit the stupidity or corruption of the lower level nations"

Re:Anecdotal evidence

[PolygamousRanchKid]

Why should they? this argument is so typical American, I don't grasp it.

Yes, sarcasm and irony are very difficult for folks from the Third Word to grasp.

Missing some zeroes?

[blake1]

Or do the cafeteria doors actually weigh 1.5x as much as the total amount of concrete used to build the thing.

Re:Missing some zeroes?

[msauve]

It's a very poor summary. There's this:" Apple used 4,300 concrete slabs, weighing a total of 212 tons, to create the structure. The Spaceship also features 330-ton, 92-foot-tall steel reinforced doors for its restaurant -- the dining-hall doors alone span 60,000 square feet and collectively weigh 330 tons."

Work the math, and those concrete slabs weigh about 100 lbs. each. I don't think so. And is that "doors" or a single "collective" door?

Re:Missing some zeroes?

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

The prose in the article was written by someone innumerate, but the bullet points call out reasonable numbers. The biggest concrete slabs weigh 60,000 lbs. and the heaviest panes weigh 7,000 lbs.

Re:Missing some zeroes?

[Anonymous Coward]

Somebody just plain fucked up. Why would a four story building (7 if you count the underground levels), have 9 story doors? And no, the levels of the building are not unusually tall, because the video emphasizes that the thin, hollow concrete ceiling of each level is also the floor of the next level. The phrase "span 60,000 square feet" makes no sense either. Span would be the right word to describe the width of the doors, not their area.

Re:Is this...

[MrKaos]

The boy needs therapy. He is crazy in the coconut.

Lie down on the couch, what does that mean?

Waste of the shareholders money.

[Anonymous Coward]

This whole project seems like a gigantic waste of the shareholder's money. Sure, when you have a mostly salaried workforce, it is fiscally prudent to have a nice workplace, to keep those salaried workers at work & doing lots of unpaid overtime, but this project is just way over the top. I doubt that this $5 billion workplace will make the workers any more productive than more conventional $500 million campus would.

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[lucm]

your own real estate is usually a sound investment but if Apple needs to sell, the only kinds of companies who could afford to buy this thing would rather build one, so that leaves oil sheiks and China. Or they could transform it in condos and try to sell them to the same crowd of phonies who stopped buying their products and triggered the whole nosedive in the first place.

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[Anonymous Coward]

This is the biggest fucking waste of money I've ever seen, outside of the federal government.

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[NotInHere]

More people use google every day (or have an iphone) than have ever set foot on US soil.

These companies are involved in every part of our lives, and a single descision of their headquarters has implications *worldwide* and depending on how fast its enrolled *the next day*.

They do have this major influence, and they actually use it. Facebook is manipulating news stories. Google is lobbying for TPP.

These tech giants *are* governments. They get their own exceptions from the US government to get foreign workers to work for them in the US. They don't pay any taxes, in no nation they operate. One of the first things you do if you don't accept the sovereignty of another nation is to not pay taxes. Remember the "no taxation without representation" debate?

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[Anonymous Coward]

It is a gigantic waste of shareholder money. I have to believe that they could have built a normal office complex for somewhere around $500 million, leaving $4.5 billion left for shareholders.

The 5.477 billion outstanding Apple shares means that the remaining $4.5 billion could have been used to fund an 80-cent-per-share dividend. If I owned a sizable fraction of Apple stock I'd be seriously thinking about an activist shareholder lawsuit right about now.

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[ChunderDownunder]

$5,000,000,000 you say?

To put that in perspective that's more than the GDP of Barbados!

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[GlenRaphael]

if Apple needs to sell, the only kinds of companies who could afford to buy this thing would rather build one, so that leaves oil sheiks and China.

It'll be nice office space. If and when Apple shrinks enough that they don't need it anymore, it could easily be subdivided into wedges that are rented out to whatever other firms are growing at the time. No need to allocate the entire thing at once. What you're saying is like complaining that few people can afford to buy the entire Empire State Building so it's a bad idea to build it.

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[GlenRaphael]

It is a gigantic waste of shareholder money...$4.5 billion could have been used to fund an 80-cent-per-share dividend

Think of it as a clever tax dodge. Apple has made a lot of money overseas that they would like to bring back home, but if it were brought back home as money they'd have to pay a 35% US corporate income tax on it. So instead they spend their profits on expensive one-of-a-kind glass panels and concrete slabs fabricated outside the US then shipped and used here.

And sure, those glass panels and concrete slabs are overpriced compared to the value Apple gets from them. But are they more than 35% overpriced? If not, it's a bargain!

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[lucm]

That building cost 5 billions. That's twice the current value of the Empire state building, and it's located in a tiny city which is more than 1h drive from SF. If you think other "firms" could populate that huge space in a cost-effective manner, it's probably best if you don't begin a new career in commercial real estate.

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[GlenRaphael]

The original Apple campus is really six separate office buildings that happened to be arranged in a circle with a central courtyard; the new Apple campus is essentially eight separate office buildings that happen to be physically adjacent so as to look like one big round building. There are literally hundreds (possibly thousands?) of firms in Silicon Valley that could profitably use either one of those 1/8th wedges or a single floor of a 1/8th wedge = 1/32nd of the total space).

The new campus has roughly the same square footage as the empire state building but a hell of a lot more parking and better physical plant. It's a mere 12 miles from the Googleplex in Mountain View. Among current firms, Google could easily make use of the entire thing, as could Oracle. (Though subdivision really seems more likely)

Regarding distance to SF, it's almost exactly as convenient to SF as Google's headquarters and slightly more convenient to San Jose.

BTW...have you worked in Silicon Valley? Companies rent pieces of fancy buildings other companies built first all the time. Google's current headquarters were built by Silicon Graphics. When I was at General Magic we had a couple floors in somebody else's office building in Santa Clara - a firm that had to shrink down so they moved out of the parts they weren't using and leased the rest. And so on...

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[lucm]

You fail to grasp the financials. Google paid 300 millions for their headquarters. Apple is spending FIVE BILLIONS on theirs. That's the equivalent of buying Google's headquarters every year for 15+ years. There is no way Apple could rent any slice of that thing and break even. The rent for the whole thing would have to be north of 25 millions per month (plus utilities etc), there's just no way to make that work no matter how many firms would truly agree to move to Cupertino.

Yes, companies in Silicon Valley and elsewhere regularly downsize and rent out part of all of their real estate. But nothing that size. This is beyond ludicrous. Nobody needs a building 3x more expensive than the Yankee stadium.

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[Coren22]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/2...

As of 07/2015, Apple had 203 billion cash on hand. Do you think a $5 billion building is so much more than a company acquisition such as recently announced Linkdin ($26 billion)?

They need a new campus, they can afford to buy a nice one, how is it bad spending to build a nice building in SV?

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[Coren22]

But less than 1/5 Linkedin. http://www.wsj.com/articles/mi...

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[lucm]

First of all, no they don't have 203 billions.

The problem with Apple’s “cash pile” is that most of it is not actually “cash” nor “on hand,” and it doesn’t take into account Apple’s debt. Apple has about $16.7 billion in cash and equivalents on its balance sheet.

source: http://www.marketwatch.com/sto...

And those alleged 180 billions are offshore and couldn't be used in the USA without paying a huge chunk in taxes. (And just for comparison, at the time of the buyout, Dell had 2x more money on US soil than Apple currently has - that's what happens when you don't throw money out the window to feed your ego).

Furhermore, even if we're talking about just those 16 billions Apple has, it's not *their* money, that's the shareholders money. Even if Apple had decided to go big and build a ONE billion dollars building (still 3x the price of Google's) they could have paid a $4 dividend per share with the difference. But no, fuck the shareholders, even though it's almost impossible at this point that the stock price will go up, Apple decided to keep the party going.

Re:Waste of the shareholders money.

[Coren22]

The rumor is that this building was built with the offshore money. The concrete panels were bought in Germany and shipped to SV. Most of the building materials came from overseas, so buying them there and shipping them avoids repatriating the money.

Just like life one big circle

[justcauseisjustthat]

Destruction leads to creation, that leads to the cycle beginning again... It will be fun to see where Apple goes in the future.

Re:Just like life one big circle

[Kernel Kurtz]

Should be like an iPad.

If they break any of that glass they should have to buy a new building.

They didn't answer the most important question...

[codeButcher]

Does it have rounded corners? And are they patented?

The Spaceship?

[Anonymous Coward]

The Spaceship, as many have nicknamed it

Who calls it that? I've always called it the glass doughnut.

Amazing...

[robinsonne]

Isn't it amazing what a company can do when they have way too much money and no idea what to do with it?

Re:Is this...

[Feral Nerd]

He's not irrational. There's something really wrong with OSX. With each new release, what I see everywhere is complaints of how buggy it is. Also, their hardware is crippled, due to a stupid obsession with slimness that makes them put laptop parts in desktop machines.

And his is based on your years of using OS X? ... or is it based on anecdotal evidence gathered form Slashdot summaries and your general dislike of Apple? I've been using OS X since 10.2 and I can't say I've noticed it being any more buggy than the Fedora Linuxs + Gonme 3 setup I use at work these days. I know this runs contrary to the preconceptions of a good number of the people that frequent this site and are experts on OS X despite never having used it, but I have karma to burn so I'll voice my experience regardless.

Campus ? Its an office

[Anonymous Coward]

camÂpus/'kamp?s/
noun
        the grounds and buildings of a university or college.

this is called an "office" or "company headquarters", pretty, but it certainly isnt a university or school so why call it a word that means exactly that ?

Re:Campus ? Its an office

[Anonymous Coward]

It's called a campus because of the re-education it takes to join the cult properly.

I would debate '16 mw of power from solar'

[MarkH]

From a 1 mile sq ring even at peak output that seems like they are using very expensive panels.

Re:I would debate '16 mw of power from solar'

[olsmeister]

Well, if we assume a 750' outside diamater and a 550' inside diameter, the roof area should be around 817k square feet, or 76,000 square meters.

If we assume solar insolance at 1,000 watts per square meter at peak sun (probably too high, but likely what they used) that's 76,000,000 peak watts total.

If the panels are 15% efficient, that means at peak they should put out around 11.4 MW.

Since I doubt the entire roof area is completely covered due to the requirements of other building systems, and the fact they aren't going to get 1,000 W/m^2, it would seem either you're right about the panels, or they are placing some in the inner portion of the 'doughnut' as well.

Re:I would debate '16 mw of power from solar'

[f00zbll]

there's additional panels on the garage and other structures, so the calculation is missing a couple thousand sq meters. I haven't done the math, so I don't actually know what the projected output is.

Re:I would debate '16 mw of power from solar'

[fnj]

Yeah, 16 milliwatts sounds a mite wimpy.

Re:I would debate '16 mw of power from solar'

[just another AC]

then you have to remove the area of the skylight glass panels etc also mentioned. All the numbers are made up or wildly exaggerated.

As mentioned above, there are also 9 story tall doors in a 7 story building, 100 pound concrete slabs, ...

What happened to the second campus?

[thatkid_2002]

Where's Campus 1?

Re: What happened to the second campus?

[Bing Tsher E]

One Infinite Hype. Surely you've heard of it.

Stupid idea

[Anonymous Coward]

Are they going to have a train or something to move people around more quickly than they can walk?

Tall buildings have elevators to do this.

I may be wrong but I suspect there will be a lot of time wasted by people having to regularly walk long distances to meetings.

Re:Stupid idea

[hambone142]

How does one get from one side of the doughnut to the other without lots of walking? Seems to provide a very inefficient means of traveling within the complex with all of the dead space in the middle unless I'm missing something.

Re:Stupid idea

[Macrat]

Are they going to have a train or something to move people around more quickly than they can walk?

Apple is currently spread out in buildings all over Cupertino, Sunnyvale and Santa Clara.

Walking this is a hell of a lot easier than driving/shuttle to a building in another city.

Re:Stupid idea

[rl117]

I would hope it has a fast monorail system. All the lairs of evil supervillains should have one.

Re:Stupid idea

[rpstrong]

You can walk across that 'dead' space in the center. Even better, you arrange the office space such that employees won't typically have a need to make such travels.

As an aside, the pentagon has some interesting similarities - circular design, five floors, roughly one mile in circumference. It seems to work OK.

Re:Stupid idea

[Coren22]

The Pentagon has people movers inside it.

http://www.history.com/news/9-...

They are scooters that can move someone at 3 mph if they aren't physically fit enough to walk the distances needed.

Re:Stupid idea

[rpstrong]

Apple will no doubt be beta testing a fleet of its new iMovers (featuring a simplified, single point drive - picture the offspring from a three way tryst involving a Segway, a "hover board", and a Dysan Ball vac).

With a circumference of a mile...

[tlambert]

I may be wrong but I suspect there will be a lot of time wasted by people having to regularly walk long distances to meetings.

At a circumference of a mile, the radius is one mile divided by 2 pi.

So about 840 feet, or just over 250 meters.

Even if you double that for the longest distance, the diameter, you are likely not moving more that 1680 feet, or under a third of a mile. Or 500 meters/half a kilometer if you walk metrically.

The big hint is that there's more than one door inside the circle.

In terms of routing, it's using the same trick as the Cray 1 used to get shortest point-to-point signal paths.

P.S.: Most time spent walking to meetings (or in them) is wasted... ;^)

For those complaining about cost...

[tlambert]

For those complaining about cost... if you watched the video, you'll see that the concrete slabs are being shipped from Germany.

It's a clever way to "repatriate" a bunch of money by buying concrete and shipping with it, without the money ever landing in the U.S. tax system, don't you think?

Re:For those complaining about cost...

[Agripa]

It is too bad that they could not prefabricate the whole thing in Germany and ship it in.

Re:For those complaining about cost...

[angel'o'sphere]

The interesting thing is: why is it cheaper for a so called "first world nation" to import something as simple as concrete slabs from all over the Atlantic? Considering high prices, high wages, high taxes in Germany?

However when I see what prices the US citizens pay for a solar panel on the roof ... an what parts make the costs, like labour (which we europeans always think is super cheap in the US) and inverters (which seem to cost twice as much over at your place than here, or was it three times as much?)

Your free market seem not really work for you.

3 Floors below ground?

[Radical Moderate]

As someone who's occupied a number of dank, crappy offices, my condolences to those who get to report to work in the awesomest building on the planet....then slip beneath the earth's surface to their dank, windowless, crappy offices.

Looks like a synchrotron

[joe_frisch]

http://phys.org/news/2012-04-n...
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/ici...

At least at $5B I hope that they are building something like the worlds most advanced light source for a new type of fab. It would be an incredibly stupid waste of money to spend that on a pretty building.

The underground levels are for parking

[GlenRaphael]

my condolences to those who get to report to work in the awesomest building on the planet....then slip beneath the earth's surface to their dank, windowless, crappy offices.

The original plans were to have two below ground basement levels...but they are for underground parking. I'm not sure whether the claim of there being three floors now means they added another such level or the reporter is confused.

Here is the original blueprint which clearly shows Basement 1 and Basement 2 as levels containing 2300ish parking spaces each plus ramps, tunnel access and a loading dock/storage area.

That said, I'm sure there will be some windowless crappy offices in interior parts of some of the aboveground levels. (There certainly were in the original Apple Campus!)

My work headquarters

[tylersoze]

Meh, I'll take my work headquarters, my home office, over theirs any day. Nothing beats the 15 sec commute, clothing optional, my own boss basically, no one dropping in for a quick chat (except the wife and maybe a quickie) work environment. I know everyone can't do that or have jobs amiable to that but I personally can't go back.

reaqlity distortion

[Hognoxious]

curved glass planes

I suppose they only look curved due to the RDF.

Re: Bot?

[Anonymous Coward]

You need to be an architect to do division?

Re:Is this...

[angel'o'sphere]

I'm using Mac Os X since 10.3.

No offense.

There is a general decline in prettiness (yes, dumb argument), usefulness/usability since then: and it is meanwhile bug ridden. Sorry, you seem to only use niche areas of Mac Os X.

My old Macs basically never crashed. My 2 year old Mac Book Air crashes at least once a month. Often during work it grinds to a halt. Usually it is Flash related stuff ... killing all browsers often helps. However after a few weeks the so called "kernel task" is eating 50% - 80% of CPU on all 4 cores. You simply have to reboot, no way to figure what to kill. My 6 or 8 years old 17" Mac Book running 10.6 is quite fine, but even that one is annoying me sometimes. Fortunately I could trick the Java 8 Installer to install on it. Now only the Java "automatic update" is crashing all the time.

Many bugs are in third party software, which would have caused an uproar in the 1980th. E.g. all browsers or flash(who is responsible?) ignore the setting of the "play immediately" flag.

So after a reboot, 30 or 40 youtube videos start to play, slowly ... saturating the network, the CPU, the computer is useless for 30 minutes. Unless you kill the internet connection quickly and have a "kill -9 `ps axu | grep [Ff]lash | awk -e '{print $1}'`âoe loop. (Don't copy that, likely the awk is wrong)

If I decline "update now and reboot" to often Mail.app starts behaving weird. The search function suddenly does not work anymore e.g. Also the search function in Finder is not working correctly ... since 10.5 or something.

I guess I should make a list ... I have far over 100 bugs which remind me to Windows 3.11 times. Mac OS X is so shit right now, I don't recommend Macs anymore.

It is not only OS X. For some reason the Software Industry thinks adding 20 or 200 new features to the next release (which no one really uses or *needs*) is more important than fixing the stuff the users actually are using.

Ah, except for importing google calendars or other WEB DAV based calendars, Apples iCal is unusable now. Under OS X 10.3 and 10.4 it was the finest Calendar in existence. After 10.4 it does not even recognize Calendar invitations in Mail.app anymore. You have for fuck sake to click on any *.ical extension file in Mail to get iCal to open and import the invitation to events. How retarded is that?

The only thing you can say in favour to Apple is: Outlooks is far worth.

My TimeCapsule lost in January all Back-Ups of my 13" Mac Book Air. The notification that I have no back ups since november 2014 came yesterday. In February I was on vacation. When I came home it made a new back up for a month. So somewhere after beginning of March:
a) my TimeCapsul lost the back ups
b) the Mac nor the TimeCapsul noticed
c) approximately 4 month later suddenly I get a notification

Something similar happened a year ago to my other laptop, copying to the same TimeCapsul.

Apple used to be reliable it is no longer ... I'm orchestrating my own back ups now, just not sure if I should relie on TimeMachine or do my own rsynch/tar/shell stuff.

If something like above happens you completely lose confidence in the products involved and the brand.

Re:Is this...

[Coren22]

The funny thing is every new version of Windows since XP has been getting better and more stable.

I will agree that Windows 8's GUI was awful, but the OS was stable and ran things well. People complain about Windows 10, but I have had no issues with it. I rarely ever reboot, and have only had a couple crashes, one routinely caused by the removal of a USB-C/TB 3.0 laptop dock, and likely had to do with the video card having to recompose the screens from dual 24" 1920x1200 screens down to 1 4k 15" screen in the laptop.

I used to support Mac OS, but the last one I touched was Lion. Back then I remember all the programmers I supported on OSX having to routinely be rejoined to the domain because the Mac would just stop functioning on the domain for no reason at all. There were other issues, but that one was the most annoying. iPhones hooking to Exchange were pretty flakey as well as I remember it.

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[Coren22]

The article also contained no pictures of these restaurant doors. I am curious why they have such a heavy door on the cafeteria. Are they afraid that tater tot Tuesday will cause a stampede and they need to protect the food serving people with extremely heavy doors? 92 foot tall doors? WHY!?