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In China, Fears That Pokemon Go May Aid Locating Military Bases (reuters.com)

The sleeper hit success title Pokemon Go is preventing many people in China from sleeping properly. Although the game isn't officially available in the world's largest smartphone market, some people fear it could become a Trojan horse for "offensive action by the United States and Japan," according to a report by Reuters. "Don't play Pokemon GO!!!" said user Pitaorenzhe on Chinese microblogging site Weibo. "It's so the U.S. and Japan can explore China's secret bases!" From the article: The conspiracy theory is that Japan's Nintendo, which part owns the Pokemon franchise, and America's Google can work out where Chinese military bases are by seeing where users can't go to capture Pokemon characters. The game relies on Google services such as Maps. The theory is that if Nintendo places rare Pokemon in areas where they see players aren't going, and nobody attempts to capture the creature, it can be deduced that the location has restricted access and could be a military zone. "Then, when war breaks out, Japan and the U.S. can easily target their guided missiles, and China will have been destroyed by the invasion of a Japanese-American game," said a social media post circulated on Weibo. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said he was unaware of reports that the game could be a security risk and that he didn't have time to play with such things. He gave no further details.

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  1. When? by irrational_design · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When war breaks out?! Is this a common belief in China? Or are these just the Chinese equivalent of the American-survivalist sub culture?

    1. Re:When? by jandrese · · Score: 2

      I'm guessing many of those bases don't allow cell phones on the premises, which if you think about it is also a pretty big tell.

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    2. Re:When? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      What I don't get about the rant.
      We know where the bases are. So we send the population to the bases so we can know where the bases are so we can bomb them?
      Or is the Big Bad America just trying to increase civilian casualty.

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    3. Re:When? by lgw · · Score: 2

      Maybe the people are just unclear about the idea of satellite photography? This is the popular press, after all, they might simply not realize that's how it works these days..

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    4. Re:When? by hoggoth · · Score: 2

      > We would turn mainland China into an endless sea of molten glass tinged with various organic impurities near the major population centers.

      I see you've been to Guangdong.

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    5. Re:When? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ok, I'll tell you my view, even though it's a big country, with each person having their own viewpoint, so this is partial at best.

      When I was in China, I mentioned to my Chinese teacher, "I don't like war." The teacher was confused, and responded, "Well, that doesn't matter. War is something that happens." Remember that unlike Europe or Japan, in China they never had the hippy anti-war protest movement. Think of how we in the west came to the conclusion that war is bad, and you'll see that China doesn't really have that experience. How they viewed WW2 is completely different: it was an invasion from foreigners.

      Second thing: although China is ostensibly communist, their worldview is more imperialist: they call themselves the "middle country", maps in China have China right in the center. On TV they have all these dramas and movies that take place in the old imperial times, when war was something that happened and even a way to win glory. The government is composed of hereditary "princelings" with rivalries who depose each other and fight, much like royalty. If you want to understand China today, the ancient imperial system of Legalism (fa jia) is the best way to understand it.

      Third point: in the west, we've completely moved on from colonialism. We decided it was a bad idea, and frankly it doesn't provide economic benefit anymore. China doesn't realize that. From 1850 to 1900, they were embarrassingly dominated by western powers, who came in, and sold them opium in exchange for silver. Then Japan came in, and started colonizing them, killing many people. During the Korean war (which is within living memory), the US army entered China. Finally, Mao+communism defeated the westerners, pushed America back, and gave China something to be proud of with their country. But it was a hard fight, and the Chinese view the west as someone who wants to colonize them if they can.

      Fourth point: Building on that, when westerners protect Taiwan, try to install democracy in Hong Kong (which was still colonized 20 years ago), or protest about Tibet, the Chinese see that as attempts from western colonizers to control, and humiliate China. Again, they don't realize we've moved on from colonization, and we're happy to be partners with them. The idea of "protecting the democratic freedoms of the Taiwanese people" makes no sense to them. Why would we do that?

      Fifth point: we've had constant military struggles against China. Bill Clinton sent a battleship to patrol the ocean between Taiwan and China, for example, and Bush had some spy plane issues, and Obama has sent patrols into the south China sea. These are low grade, and even cool displays of power, but they are militaristic nonetheless. Frankly, it is unethical for China to claim the South China sea at the expense of all its neighbors, and it's foolish for China to try to force Taiwan to join them (the Taiwanese don't trust China, because China treated Hong Kong really badly: taking away their freedoms).

      Sixth point: Freedom is only something you recognize when you don't have it. Most Chinese people are free to say anything they want, because they don't want to say forbidden things. But we recognize that their lack of freedom is going to hurt them in the future, and hope that they learn to respect their freedoms.

    6. Re:When? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's also worth examining some myths we have about war in the west:

      *) War is always terrible - No, it has terrible parts, but it also has brilliant, exciting, and fun parts. Winston Churchill said, "Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result." The strategy, the victory, the pursuit: these things are portrayed on tv in China more often than here.

      *) Only rich elites want to go to war - No, throughout history, commoners have wanted war too, to gain riches, prestige, land, and because it's fun. When Napoleon returned from exile, his soldiers greeted him joyfully.

      *) War is always caused by religion - No, war is caused by ideology, or by greed, or by fear. Plenty of historical examples of all of those.

      *) War is over - no, it's not. We don't want it.

    7. Re:When? by erapert · · Score: 2

      China also has many more males than females.
      What do young bucks like to do, especially to gain female approval? War.

  2. Obvious Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just make all soldiers play Pokemon Go. Problem solved.

  3. Wait, let me get this straight... by halivar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One single Chinese microblogger with a tin foil hat advances crackpot theory and actual Chinese official can't be bothered to even talk about, and it makes front page of Slashdot?

    Shit, guys, lemme tell you 'bout some CHEMTRAILS!

    1. Re:Wait, let me get this straight... by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The sad part is that this was reported by Reuters.

    2. Re:Wait, let me get this straight... by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      Shit, guys, lemme tell you 'bout some CHEMTRAILS!

      Do you mean the ones put up by the illuminati? Or the ones by the Lizard people?

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    3. Re:Wait, let me get this straight... by Solandri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      To be fair, I think Google now knows how they're going to get "street view" pictures of all the streets and pathways where they weren't able to send Google Cars to photograph.

  4. Lu Kang doesn't play Pokemon by Kargan · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said he was unaware of reports that the game could be a security risk and that he didn't have time to play with such things.

    Of course he doesn't, too busy trying to fight his way through the tournament and take out Shao Khan.

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  5. Umm, satellites? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    Is there really someone so ignorant that they think the locations of anything visible to the sky is unknown? Seriously?

    Or is this just more hatemongering aimed at a game that's actually getting kids (and adults) outside and walking around? Oh, the humanity! People are actually exercising and talking to their neighbors!!!!

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    1. Re: Umm, satellites? by halivar · · Score: 4, Informative

      The US doesn't get its satellite surveillance from Google Earth.

    2. Re:Umm, satellites? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Satellite imagery can't tell you everything. In this case you might see a building that you suspect might be some kind of military installation, but you're not sure. Pokemon Go usage would probably be a half decent datapoint, but could be confounded by things like civilian employers who don't like their employees goofing off. Realistically, the US probably just monitors which places have government or military cell phones frequenting them.

  6. Unless you are Hillary Clinton... by HBI · · Score: 5, Funny

    She can play all the Pokemon Go she wants.

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    1. Re:Unless you are Hillary Clinton... by _xeno_ · · Score: 2

      I don't think you can "come under sniper fire" in Pokemon, even if it is imaginary, so it must have been some other game she was playing.

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  7. Re:China needs to get out of 1939. by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    That wasn't said by a leader. That was said by some random loser who posts things on the Internet. You know what THOSE people are like!

  8. Re:Like Satellites Don't Work Over China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The air pollution in China is an effective screen and blocks the satellites. See China, pollution is your friend. Keep belching out that crap. My kids need their plastic McDonalds crap toys.

  9. Up next... by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Chinese government creates new arm of military tasked with collecting all Pokemon Go characters located in military bases.

    1. Re:Up next... by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Chinese government creates new arm of military tasked with collecting all Pokemon Go characters located in military bases.

      Call them, say, Team Rocket.

  10. It may not have been their intention... by manu144x · · Score: 2

    Imagine having an army of idiots precisely mapping with their smartphone GPS's huge areas in countries, virtually for free, on their own time and with their own equipment.

    If it wasn't used initially, I am sure after this huge success the black suits have surely contacted nintendo with an offer to access and use all that data. It's not conspiracy theory, it's exactly what happened with Facebook. After it became mainstream and it's potential was noticed, one of the investors is the CIA R&D arm.

    It's no secret, the same people who funded face recognition technology startups, license plate recognition, mapping, and who knows what else.

    I think it was called IN-Q-Tel or something.

  11. Clarification by HBI · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a misconception. Military bases permit cell phones. When passing into SCIFs or classified briefing rooms, you are required to get rid of your cellphones into lock boxes. If you like your battery, you turn it off or put it in airplane mode before doing so.

    There are some buildings that are all-classified that require you to not have a phone along, but this would be a "building", not a whole base.

    In the field, most people have a cell phone on them for basic communications, and they are rarely collected - only when someone has a bug up their ass about it.

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    1. Re:Clarification by subanark · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but what about "Secret" "Chinese" bases, that might have a different policy. On the other hand, knowing China, they will have strict rules that prohibit this, but no one will follow them.

    2. Re:Clarification by HBI · · Score: 2

      The US military also has strict rules that are bent and broken regularly in regards to wireless devices. One IA officer I knew actually yelled at me for leaving my cell phone at home, "How am I going to get in touch with you? Go get it!" when I was trying to think security and follow the rules.

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    3. Re:Clarification by boristdog · · Score: 2

      Ah, so you've been to China.

      I loved the fact that there were x-ray machines and people with scanner wands at all major train and subway stations (and airports, of course). I soon realized that usually none of this equipment was even powered up, but they still ran the wand over you and your bags through the scanners anyway. I would purposely leave metal things in my pockets and the scanners never went off.

    4. Re:Clarification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Depends how they do it, if you want it secret then make it underground or hide it within something else that isn't secret. NORAD would be very hard to spot from a satellite, it's really the unusual traffic to it that would give it away. Storing your tanks in caves or the like would be fairly easy, and the only thing giving that away would be the unusual traffic. Also if you do secret work inside a regular office building it can be easily hidden, it has twenty offices, one is called XY-group and it's really a secret front for your military offices.

  12. ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Even better, read the credits :)

    "(Reporting by Beijing Newsroom and Shanghai Newsroom; Additional reporting by Megha Rajagopalan, Ben Blanchard, Jake Spring and Jeremy Wagstaff; Editing by Ian Geoghegan and Raju Gopalakrishnan)"

    So it took 2 newsrooms and 4 additional reporters plus 2 editors to write this insightful story of the reason behind it :O ...and a microblogging site? Reuters doesn't have any other sources left?

  13. Sort of true by mu51c10rd · · Score: 4, Funny

    If my morning commute is any indication, most of the Pokemon Go players would have no idea they are on a secret military base...

  14. The world is not rainbows by Texmaize · · Score: 2

    One of the things I very enjoyed about college was meeting people from other countries, and learning a little about them. Something that struck me was despite what TV, my liberal professors, and fellow American students were telling me, other cultures and perspectives really do exist, and few of them actually follow the school of thought that is being popularized in the U.S. We tend to take a very parochial, Euro-centric view of the world. So, while multi-culurism is preached, what is really meant is just the one that agrees with Euro-liberalism. There are other ideas, many that are in direct conflict with ours.

    For example, China. China is a very conservative country, that has a value system going back thousands of years. They have withstood several invasions, and their culture proved stronger, ultimately subverting their would be conquerers. They are very proud of this. They view the West insistence that only their values matter and are correct as a profound intrusion and disgustingly arrogant. They value family. We no longer do. They value structure and order; we clearly do not. They see the collective as important, we seem fixated celebrating the rebel. They think the majority should set the tone of commerce and culture. We have....well, read the news. Most of all, they teach their kids to love their country. For some reason, we have made it cool to be self loathing

    The net result is that they think of us as the enemy. As an extension, the believe war will come because the leftist philosophies of the lest simply cannot leave others alone. If you stop and think about it, this is the main driving force behind Muslim aggression and other little rebellions around the world. They do not follow the party line, and deeply understand that they are being threatened.

    So, I guess I am trying to say is that the world is a tough place. There are competing ideas and ways people want to organize their societies. The views that many on these forums hold as unchallenged and sacrosanct create enemies and alienate people. Is your world view really so limited that you are surprised by this?I

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  15. Oh China... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 2
    What I don't get about the rant...

    Oh, there are numerous flaws with this line of thinking. Why would the US & Japan, both of who poses advanced spy satellite technology need to get video game data to try to collect info on military bases? You think that they don't already have that info?

    Moreover, why would we want to attack a country with a huge population, and massive standing land army? Isn't there some sort of old saying about land wars in Asia? I thought our plan was to just seduce them with freedom and material goods and let them toss out their own government because they think it sucks. You know, say like eastern Europe and Russia?

    At this point, it should be pretty obvious that the US isn't really interested in what other countries do with their governments as long as they don't engage in wars of conquest or wholesale slaughter of their own people, so I just wonder what this person is thinking.

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