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Harrison Ford Could Have Died In Star Wars Set Incident, Court Hears (theguardian.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the dark-side-of-the-force dept.

An anonymous reader writes: While filming Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Harrison Ford almost died when he was crushed by a hydraulic door on the set of the Millennium Falcon. He was reportedly knocked to the ground and crushed beneath the heavy door when he walked on to the set not believing it to be live. The 71-year-old actor suffered a broken left leg. Prosecutor Andrew Marshall said the door "could have killed somebody. The fact that it didn't was because an emergency stop was activated," he said. The company responsible, Foodles Production, pleaded guilty to two breaches under health and safety legislation, one count under section two of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974, which related to a breach of duty in relation to employees, and a second under section three, a breach over people not employed by the company. The lawyer for Foodles Production, which is owned by Disney, said the company would contest the level of risk involved on August 22nd at Aylesbury crown court.

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  1. could have died != almost died by raburton · · Score: 1

    Not even the linked article claimed this.

    1. Re:could have died != almost died by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 2

      "Andrew Marshall, prosecuting, said the breaches had caused a “risk of death” and that if the emergency stop had not been pressed in time, it could have been a very different outcome for Ford. “It could have killed somebody. The fact that it didn’t was because an emergency stop was activated,”

    2. Re:could have died != almost died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      At least they didn't say he was 'mostly dead' and Mark Hamil brought him back with the Force and magic chocolate pill. Or am I mixing my movies!?!?! ;-)

    3. Re:could have died != almost died by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When a hydraulic actuator breaks your leg, it's entirely fair to say your life was in danger.

    4. Re:could have died != almost died by tomhath · · Score: 2

      Something that big and heavy should also have had hidden light curtains or other automated means

      Gosh, you think? Maybe they should face criminal charges for not doing just that. Oh wait...they are.

    5. Re:could have died != almost died by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Harrison Ford could have had a brain aneurysm on the set and died, but he didn't. He did however have a large piece of machinery crush his leg. Did this large piece of machinery "almost" crush more vital parts of his body? That depends on whatever your personal threshold for the word "almost" is. Given the proximity of the leg to vital organs in a human body, I don't have a problem with the phrase "almost died". I think I'd prefer "almost killed" because "almost died" seems to imply that he almost died from the injuries he did get, not from the injuries he almost got, but I think that's splitting hairs.

    6. Re:could have died != almost died by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      Am I the only who is struck by this wording in the article?

      the door "could have killed somebody. The fact that it didn't was because an emergency stop was activated,"

      So, the door could have killed Deckard, but there was an "emergency stop" which apparently prevented his death, even though he was still injured.

      It sounds to me that although imperfect, the prop had safety features which prevented him from being killed.

      based on what little I know of the actual details, I'm going to say the prop company did their due diligence. Sometimes things can be dangerous, but there was an "emergency stop" which prevented his death.

    7. Re:could have died != almost died by Megol · · Score: 1

      One can die of a broken leg, in fact it's not that unusual. One can die of a tiny cut but it is still very unusual - antibiotics still works in most cases.

    8. Re:could have died != almost died by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      Sure there are some broken legs that are life threatening. I was under the impression that the injury Harrison Ford actually suffered was not, even though the situation that caused his injury seems to have been.

    9. Re: could have died != almost died by Crookdotter · · Score: 1

      Inconceivable!

    10. Re:could have died != almost died by ultranova · · Score: 1

      When a hydraulic actuator breaks your leg, it's entirely fair to say your life was in danger.

      If the R2 had wanted to kill him, he'd be dead. This was just a friendly little chat about... respect.

      And he still has his other kneecap. Just saying.

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    11. Re: could have died != almost died by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 1

      I do not think that word means what you think it means.

  2. Lockouts have you heard of them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I assume Mr. Ford has not been around enough heavy equipment to that you consider it live unless you can see the lockout.

    1. Re:Lockouts have you heard of them? by BitterOak · · Score: 2

      I'm sure the defense will raise this. All this article talks about is what the prosecution alleges.

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    2. Re:Lockouts have you heard of them? by Shimbo · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the defense will raise this. All this article talks about is what the prosecution alleges.

      The defence probably didn't say a lot more than to enter a formal guilty plea. The prosecution just had to outline the severity of the case enough for the magistrate to refer it to a higher court for sentencing.

    3. Re:Lockouts have you heard of them? by lgw · · Score: 5, Informative

      I assume Mr. Ford has not been around enough heavy equipment to that you consider it live unless you can see the lockout.

      This was a movie set. There's basically 2 overriding rules about safety on a movie set:
      * Don't depend on the actors to be smart enough, or paying enough attention, to get anything right.
      * There's no excuse for injuring an actor. That's just about the worst thing you can be responsible for.

      Everything potentially dangerous on a big-budget movie set is supposed to have a minder - both because the actors' full attention should be on their roles, and because it's a movie set, and dangerous-looking things are often props.

      From the (one-sided) summary, this was a massive fuckup, on the order of having a real gun mixed in with prop guns, or carelessness with pyro.

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    4. Re:Lockouts have you heard of them? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      That's not something they teach in high school. At least, not in the US.

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    5. Re:Lockouts have you heard of them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The thing is that this isn't something anyone would ordinarily call 'heavy equipment.' How many elevators have you gone through? Automated doors? Drop-arm turnstiles? (The kind like saloon doors.) How many times have you once thought "I better make sure this has proper signage, clearance, procedure, and make sure I filled out a ISO 9000 before operating this equipment?"

      I bet this approaches zero.

      The problem here is that one has a reasonable expectation that an automated door will behave like every other automated door they have come in contact with; mild actuation force, multiple safety interlocks (light curtain, pressure sensor for anything jamming them, etc), and general idiot proofing. And yes, this extends (or should extend, at least) to set pieces, because your brain has been trained all your life to assume that your automated door isn't going to Hudralick Press Shannel on your leg.

    6. Re:Lockouts have you heard of them? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I assume you walk through no doors until they have been locked out? How do you mange to go to a store with all those automatic doors that aren't locked out while you travel through them?

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    7. Re:Lockouts have you heard of them? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      From the (one-sided) summary, this was a massive fuckup, on the order of having a real gun mixed in with prop guns, or carelessness with pyro.

      I hear that was a major problem when filming the X Men movies.

      I'll see myself out.

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    8. Re:Lockouts have you heard of them? by dj245 · · Score: 1

      I assume Mr. Ford has not been around enough heavy equipment to that you consider it live unless you can see the lockout.

      This was a movie set. There's basically 2 overriding rules about safety on a movie set: * Don't depend on the actors to be smart enough, or paying enough attention, to get anything right. * There's no excuse for injuring an actor. That's just about the worst thing you can be responsible for.

      Everything potentially dangerous on a big-budget movie set is supposed to have a minder - both because the actors' full attention should be on their roles, and because it's a movie set, and dangerous-looking things are often props.

      From the (one-sided) summary, this was a massive fuckup, on the order of having a real gun mixed in with prop guns, or carelessness with pyro.

      Movie sets generally have a lot more accidents than "normal" industries. The deck is stacked with contributing factors such as-

      The work location changes often
      Safety-responsible crews often have a set building / movie background, rather than an industrial one
      Some OSHA regulations applicable to Construction/General Industry may not apply. Others are specifically excluded.
      Reliance on contractors and/or temp workers
      Most persons on the set do not have much industrial safety experience
      The primary purpose of a set is for looks, safety and accessibility are sometimes an afterthought
      Every set is different, and may be modified frequently during the course of filming
      Onsite changes to the set probably do not go through a rigorous safety process
      Desire to continue filming in order to not miss out on desired weather, or to be on schedule for the next location
      Relatively low pay of junior crew members, and ease of replacing them. This tends to promote "get it done" attitudes and reduces the amount of questions raised about safety.

      I routinely work in an industrial environment. Working on a movie set seems more dangerous in comparison. The safety culture and recognition of all the hazards just isn't there.

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    9. Re:Lockouts have you heard of them? by iridium_ionizer · · Score: 1

      I assume Mr. Ford has not been around enough heavy equipment to that you consider it live unless you can see the lockout.

      Harrison Ford was self-taught professional carpenter. This was probably his best paying, consistent job as he was trying to make it in Hollywood as an actor. So you would think he would know about the potential dangers of machinery, but maybe he mostly used hand tools. Maybe he's gotten soft and careless.

      As a side note, it seems that with its emphasis on practical effects, real sets, and locations, that The Force Awakens was a dangerous film to work on. Mark Hamill almost fell to his death off of the island Skellig Michael shown at the end of the film.

    10. Re:Lockouts have you heard of them? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Most people lose situational awareness as they age. It's a common cause of serious injury.

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    11. Re:Lockouts have you heard of them? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Some OSHA regulations

      Not one OSHA regulation applies. this isn't America. We have standards which I- having worked with a number of American safety-responsible personnel - think are generally tighter. Those standards are designed by the Health And Safety Executuve and are enforced with the power of the criminal law. Directors of companies do get jailed for breaches on occasion, and HSE inspectors who achieve that are very happy to have achieved it.

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  3. heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The door shot first!

  4. Rookie mistake by Pascoea · · Score: 1

    when he walked on to the set not believing it to be live

    You would think someone that's been around as long as he has would be aware that all systems should be treated as live until verified otherwise. You don't just pick up a wire. You don't just walk into a confined space. You don't just push a button.

    I don't imagine a movie set is any different than any other potentially dangerous work space. You have to know your environment, even if it is constantly changing, and your safety is ultimately your responsibility.

    1. Re:Rookie mistake by Pascoea · · Score: 1
      From FTA:

      the hydraulic spaceship door was operated by another person and that as the actor passed beneath it, he was hit hard in the pelvis and pinned to the floor.

      So, two rookie mistakes. The actor for entering an unsafe situation, and the operator not making the area safe.

    2. Re:Rookie mistake by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      So, two rookie mistakes. The actor for entering an unsafe situation, and the operator not making the area safe.

      At least two additional mistakes:
      3. The rookie engineer who didn't include mechanical interlocks.
      4. The safety supervisor for not enforcing proper procedures.

    3. Re:Rookie mistake by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      So, two rookie mistakes. The actor for entering an unsafe situation, and the operator not making the area safe.

      Three mistakes. Whoever designed the door obviously doesn't have any experience with production automation, and didn't have an automated stop to prevent the door from closing if someone wasn't where they were supposed to be. Light curtains, pressure mats, whatever.

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    4. Re:Rookie mistake by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, two rookie mistakes.

      Two Wookiee mistakes.

      Thank you, thank you.

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    5. Re:Rookie mistake by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't imagine a movie set is any different than any other potentially dangerous work space.

      You'd be wrong about that. Actors are special - anything dangerous on set is supposed to have a minder specifically to keep it from hurting an actor, no matter how careless the actor.

      all systems should be treated as live until verified otherwise

      Remember: movie set. Dangerous items are usually props. The technical guys, sure, it's their job to know, but it's also their job to keep the coked-up airhead starlet safe (and the guy who plays her husband).

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    6. Re:Rookie mistake by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You never design something like that on set. If the actor misses his spot, and improvises, but the shot is lost because a door in the background didn't shut, you'll get fired and blacklisted unless the safety measure was ordered by the director (and they generally don't bother with that).

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    7. Re:Rookie mistake by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      I imagine you'd get fired/blacklisted just as quickly if your set design kills or maims an A-list actor.

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    8. Re:Rookie mistake by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Let's not forget the healing capacity of a 71 year old is a lot different from a 30 year old (for example). An injury like that needs a minimum of 6 months recovery and ongoing physio therapy.

      The fire in his eyes was probably Ford not wanting to have anything to do with Star Wars anymore and he had had enough. The look was probably "If you don't write me out of this fucking movie I am going to sue you into oblivion".

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    9. Re:Rookie mistake by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Nope. In this case, they aren't looking at the design of the door, but the guy who pushed "close" while Harrison Ford was under it, and the lack of process to seal off a set while people are building/testing dangerous props. The guy who made the door isn't in trouble, at least as far as the news around this indicates.

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    10. Re:Rookie mistake by Megane · · Score: 1

      Clearly, we must acquit.

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    11. Re:Rookie mistake by gosand · · Score: 1

      Reminder: Brandon Lee (Bruce Lee's son) was killed on a movie set by a strange mishap with a handgun. Accidents happen no matter how many precautions are taken. Negligence or misuse just ups the odds.

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    12. Re:Rookie mistake by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I don't imagine a movie set is any different than any other potentially dangerous work space.

      Putting a hydraulic press with enough power to crush bone and no safety interlocks in the middle of a walkway in any other work space would get you sued, too.

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    13. Re:Rookie mistake by RoloDMonkey · · Score: 1

      Ford might not have been at fault: "he walked on to the set not believing it to be live." Film production actually has very specific procedures (signs, human "minders") for keeping people safe, and ensuring continuity, i.e. a hot set: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki...

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  5. Could have been killt or worse.... by ai4px · · Score: 2

    if it hadn't been for the emergency stop.... Hey, kids THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY STOP BUTTON!

    1. Re:Could have been killt or worse.... by SpeedBump0619 · · Score: 1

      if it hadn't been for the emergency stop.... Hey, kids THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY STOP BUTTON!

      There's (almost) always an e-stop. But my the time you can reach it someone is probably already as injured as they were going to get. I've been working in industrial automation for more than 20 years and I have prevented an impending injury with an e-stop precisely once. Even then it was because I had specifically told that person not to be where they were and I was moving to the e-stop at the moment the machine ran away (because someone shorted out a motor controller feedback circuit). Even then in the time it took me to react and respond the machine moved almost 10 feet (straight at his face). Missed him by less than two inches (because he flinched).

      E-stops have two purposes: 1) locking out the system while you will be in a dangerous interference location, and 2) releasing the machine so you can extract the mangled remains. In this case it appears to have been the latter. Fortunately it was his leg not his torso or head.

  6. Meh by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 2

    On the one hand, a danger on many sets is like a slight danger at summer camp--yes, sometimes people throw things together that work and sometimes people can get hurt. If this were a small budget community theater set that was otherwise safe and an isolated incident it might be understandable.

    On the other hand, the Star Wars budget can afford one of those sensors like you have in every modern elevator that stops when someone is still in the door, as well as the guy who knows how to install it. So there is no question that they should be both liable for the medical expenses and fined. (This is how you encourage other people to install the sensor in the future.)

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  7. Re:could have by twotacocombo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know what you're eating, but I've never felt my life was in danger while taking a shit. The well-being of others may have been threatened, but never my own...

  8. After the lawyers are done... by OfficeLackey · · Score: 1

    So after the lawyers are done, no movie (scifi or otherwise) will be allowed to have an "automatic" door due to possible lawsuits. Star Wars, Star Trek, Battleship 3.... Nothing.

    1. Re:After the lawyers are done... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they'll go back to the old-school original Doctor Who and Star Trek: TOS style and have hidden stage hands opening and closing the "automatic" doors.

    2. Re:After the lawyers are done... by hoofie · · Score: 1

      This was in the UK. Big money legal paydays are VERY hard to achieve as such cases are tried only with judges, there are many avenues for appeal and dodgy fee setups and outrageous demands don't work or are not permitted.

  9. Re:could have by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    I don't know what you're eating, but I've never felt my life was in danger while taking a shit.

    T Rex Eats Lawyer on Toilet.

  10. What a coincidence! by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    My enthusiasm for the Star Wars universe almost died when my hopes for a good Star Wars movie were crushed by The Force Awakens!

    1. Re:What a coincidence! by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      The villains in Force Awakens are depressingly dumb, though.

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    2. Re:What a coincidence! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I don't know, worshiping the washed up old helmet of your grandfather is kind of dumb with any accent, but be honest: Grand Moff Tarkin rocked the 'thin English accent' villain in the first movie. Killing your parents (parents who have fond hopes for your happiness) is kind of braindead, too. Maybe stupidity runs in the family, but least Anakin got that right.

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    3. Re:What a coincidence! by lgw · · Score: 1

      The villains in Force Awakens are depressingly dumb, though.

      To be sure. We have a new Disney Princess - way to challenge gender norms!

      But I hold out hope that our thoroughly unimpressive Darth Meh will have an actual character arc. Growing from here to being as impressive as Vader would be a heck of a story, a story I'd love to see.

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    4. Re:What a coincidence! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      That's true.

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    5. Re:What a coincidence! by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Darth Vader would have been depressingly dumb if James Earl Jones hadn't done the voiceover. Imagine Vader with a thin English accent.

      Your lack of faith disturbs me, old chap.

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    6. Re:What a coincidence! by dave420 · · Score: 1

      The actor who played Vader (David Prowse) has a very strong south-west English accent, something that most definitely can not be described as "thin".

  11. when approached about safety he said: by burtosis · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Never tell me the odds"

  12. Re:Could Have Killed Somebody? by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    I came to say something like the above, but the AC has summed it up pretty well. I am sorry Harrison Ford was injured but sometimes it takes extreme circumstances to save the rest of humanity from Ford killing any more of our childhood dreams.

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  13. In a galaxy far, far away... by DRJlaw · · Score: 4, Funny

    "New Republic Prosecutor Andrew Marshall said the rail-less walkway over the nearly bottomless pit 'could have killed somebody.' The fact that it didn't was because the writers 'pulled a deus ex machina out of their nether regions.' The engineering firm responsible for the Starkiller's power control station, Foodles Production, pleaded guilty to two breaches under health and safety legislation, one count under section two of the Health and Safety at Work Act of 9624, which related to a breach of duty in relation to employees, a second under section three, a breach over people not employed by the company. The lawyer for Foodles Production, which is owned by Disney, said "AARGHHHH" as he was force-stangled by Disney's newly-revealed CEO, the aforementioned Kylo Ren."

  14. Really? by franzrogar · · Score: 1

    I'm truly tired of such statements. Here's the response I always give:

    "I might not finish this sentence".

    And now, be free!

  15. No chance by bestweasel · · Score: 1

    I've seen enough of Harrison Ford's films to know that although he was in danger of imminent death, he could have escaped easily without a scratch.

  16. Re:could have by BKX · · Score: 1

    Bizzarely (and I know you were making a joke, but sometimes facts are funny too), a surprising large number of people die every year while taking shits. Apparently, pushing out a log puts quite a strain on your heart.

  17. Re:SPACE IS NOT SAFE! by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1
    Hello?! It's called Star Wars. You expect space conflict without casualties?

    Spare a thought for the families of countless unnamed stormtroopers that the Millennium Falcon vanquished in battle, whose children now grow up without a dad. Now some old veteran escapes with a broken leg? Spare me.

  18. No user serviceable parts inside. by steve90 · · Score: 1

    He clearly states in the first movie (or episode IV whatever) that he has made aftermarket alterations to the Millennium Falcon. This was always going to be potentially dangerous and will have rendered his warranty void. He only has himself to blame.

    1. Re:No user serviceable parts inside. by Megane · · Score: 1

      It didn't matter, really, the company that built MF went out of business due to the economic crash due to the destruction of the second death star. Any government run by people who can force-choke you certainly doesn't have to pay outstanding bills for in-progress projects that were destroyed by rebel terrorists.

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  19. Re:could have by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    because you've never tried Marty's Burritos. Risky, but worth it.

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  20. IF he did get crushed... by ihaveamo · · Score: 1

    One thing's for sure, he would have got a lot thinner!

  21. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Making a movie ain't like dusting crops, boy!

  22. Mt Ford's lawyer by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    Ms Ally McBeal said that the injury was caused by gross negligence and irresponsible use of a lightsaber.

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  23. Re:SPACE IS NOT SAFE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I would rather see Star Peace: The Empire Kicks Back. It's the story of a galactic empire that is well run and all of the people are happy and get along.

  24. Use the Chewbacca Defense! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Use the Chewbacca Defense!

    May the force be with the jury to rule the right way!

  25. What are the odds? by theurge14 · · Score: 1

    Sir, the odds of this hydraulic door being live and crushing your leg are 60000 to 1.

  26. Re:SPACE IS NOT SAFE! by quenda · · Score: 1

    It can be!
    Star Trek showed how to make it safe in a studio long ago: use stage-hands to operate the doors, and add the sound effects later.

    Also: falling polystyrene boulders are much safer than real ones.

  27. That damn hat! by bronney · · Score: 1

    He had to grab it ;)

  28. Re:could have by Megol · · Score: 1

    I realize you are joking but people do "die while taking a shit" - and it have nothing to do with food intake. Here's a basic layman's description: http://www.menshealth.com/heal...

  29. It's a good job he recovered by DrXym · · Score: 1

    Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to film his death scene. That or suddenly the plot for call for Kylo Ren to drop a hydraulic door on his father.

  30. Were they filming? by MTEK · · Score: 1

    A bit anti-climatic for a main character's fate, but could be useful in an alternate ending re-release.

  31. He DID die! by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    It wasn't a door, but I'm positive that he died. I saw it happen and there were many other eyewitnesses.

  32. Re:We need trump to stop this madness by B33rNinj4 · · Score: 1

    Fear not! As soon as he's elected, he'll begin building a wall around Earth.

  33. Re: We need trump to stop this madness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes, East Timor is such a great example of the Indonesian peace.

    It's nice to have an idyllic view of Muslim countries when you never lived there as a non-Muslim.

  34. He did it wrong by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

    He let the door hit him on the way in.

  35. Re: We need trump to stop this madness by MooseTick · · Score: 1

    Does Israel not count?

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  36. HAPPY TO BE OF SERVICE! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    Share and enjoy!

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  37. Re:could have by BKX · · Score: 1

    I never thought about the diarrhea thing. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.

  38. Re: We need trump to stop this madness by Nehmo · · Score: 1

    ...takes an active role in seeking out and quelling extremism ... Saudi Arabia does.

    Saudi Arabia itself is Sunni Islam extremism. If it quells non-government extremism, it's either anti- ruling family, Shia, or some differing other Sunni sect.

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  39. He could have died if by JohnStock · · Score: 1

    .. something happened that actually didn't happen.

  40. Insult to injury by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Would be being killed by Foodles Production. Am I the only one that found it hard to read such a serious thing with such a ridiculous name?