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Washington State Sues Comcast For $100M Over 'Pattern of Deceptive Practices' (komonews.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Washington State has filed a lawsuit against Comcast to the sum of $100 million, accusing Comcast of "engaging in a pattern of deceptive practices." It claims that Comcast's documents reveal a pattern of illegally deceiving its own customers for profit. KOMO News reports: "The lawsuit (PDF) alleges more than 1.8 million individual violations of the Washington Consumer Protection Act. The Attorney General's Office says 500,000 Washington consumers were affected. The lawsuit also accuses Comcast of violating the Consumer Protection Act to all of its nearly 1.2 million Washington subscribers due to its deceptive 'Comcast Guarantee,' Ferguson said. The lawsuit accuses Comcast of misleading 500,000 Washington consumers and deceiving them into paying at least $73 million in subscription fees over the last five years for what the attorney general says is a a near-worthless protection plan. Customers who sign up for Comcast's Service Protection Plan pay a $4.99 monthly fee to avoid being charged if a Comcast technician visits their home. But the plan did not cover wiring inside a wall, the lawsuit says. The Attorney General Office says 75 percent of the time, customers who contacted Comcast were told the plan covered inside wiring. Customer service scripts, which the Attorney General's Office said it obtained during its investigation, told Comcast representatives to say that the plan covers calls 'related to inside wiring' and 'wiring inside your home.'" According to KOMO News, the lawsuit is seeking more than $73 million in restitution to pay back Service Protection Plan subscriber payments; full restitution for all service calls that applied an improper resolution code, estimated to be at least $1 million; removal of improper credit checks from the credit reports of more than 6,000 customers; up to $2,000 per violation of the Consumer Protection Act; and that Comcast clearly disclose the limitations of its Service Protection Plan in advertising and through its representatives, correct improper service codes that should not be chargeable and implement a compliance procedure for improper customer credit checks.

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  1. good luck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with that - even if they win it will be settled for something like $10 million. chump change compared against to what they would ripped off.

  2. $100 million? by ErichTheRed · · Score: 2

    Don't most large companies just budget for this amount as a lawsuit settlement fund for any new initiative? Seems like pocket change for most big guys, especially since they probably have billions in liability insurance stashed away for just such a purpose...

    1. Re:$100 million? by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      bingo. Even if the state got everything it wanted in full Comcast would cheerfully pay it as nothing more than the cost of doing business. Most companies today are simply too big and too rich to care about the law. Until we start slamming them with fines in the tens of billions and jailing executives nothing is going to change.

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    2. Re:$100 million? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Needs to be an exponential payout.

      $1.01 to (x number of misbehavior) = fine.

      Anything over 5000 cases basically breaks a company.

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      There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
    3. Re:$100 million? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Anything over 5000 cases basically breaks the entire global economy.

      FTFY.

      You might wanna re-think that base, there: 1.01 ^ 5000 ~= $4,044,537,935,523,532,667,942.07

      Simply put, any plan that involves having to sell off significant fractions of the earth's crust is probably unworkable.

    4. Re:$100 million? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's exactly my point.

      If you screw over a population larger than a small town, you go bankrupt. So get your shit together, or else.

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      There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
    5. Re:$100 million? by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Just makes fines a percentage of global revenue.

    6. Re:$100 million? by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Don't most large companies just budget for this amount as a lawsuit settlement fund for any new initiative? Seems like pocket change for most big guys, especially since they probably have billions in liability insurance stashed away for just such a purpose...

      Could you tell me why chiefs of companies (Financial, Marketing, Technology, Planning) and who own no company shares receive remuneration in the millions, while the shareholders receive bubkas (trivial amounts). Former President Carter had it right when he said, the max salary of an employee should not exceed 20 times the weighted average salary of the employees. He was saying, take 20 employees from installation and their boss, and for all departments and use that.
      You would see the multi-million dollar remuneration dropping to a few hundred thousand dollars. The difference would go into the accounts as dividends, debt repayment or infrastructure improvements.

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      Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
  3. Why is this local news on slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $100 million, this is peanuts, especially for comcast. Its local news not worth of my attention. Next story please.

  4. Protection plans by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who buys protection plans for a service? If the service doesn't work, Comcast needs to fix it on THEIR dime, or the service gets cancelled. After all, their dime is YOUR dime, because you are paying a monthly fee for the service.

    1. Re:Protection plans by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 0

      Not if it's related to wiring inside the house, with cable it can be the issue, especially if it's old cable.. That's the problem. Verizon phone service used have this. They actually covered the wiring in your house.

    2. Re:Protection plans by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Then they better replace the cable. Why would I pay them to replace the cable for THEIR service? If they don't want to replace the cable then I won't buy their service. I am amazed that people would pay for them to put cable in.

    3. Re:Protection plans by Holi · · Score: 2

      But the plan didn't cover internal wiring, so exactly what did it cover? I mean the only time you would need a tech to come is due to either a wiring problem from the pole to the house or due to an internal wiring problem.

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      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
    4. Re:Protection plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, they do replace the cable when a service call warrants it. Are you really that fucking stupid that you don't understand how this works?

      As for people who would pay? Most people on the street can't get a TV, DVD player and cable box to work together. A lot of people have these problems. Is it unfortunate? Yes. But I'm sure there's shit you can't do that some other large segment of the population would consider sad and laughable. Someone needs to fill in the gaps and who better to work on home cable issues then the providers themselves?

      Stop being a smug dickwad.

    5. Re:Protection plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fewer choices you have, the more bullshit like this you must put up with.

    6. Re:Protection plans by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      But the plan didn't cover internal wiring, so exactly what did it cover?

      I was kind of wondering that too. I would assume they are responsible for everything to the pole at least. As far as I know, they are responsible for everything to the box on the outside of the house. Just like the phone company. Even so, $5 per month for the cable from the pole to the outside connection is ridiculous.

      I mean the only time you would need a tech to come is due to either a wiring problem from the pole to the house or due to an internal wiring problem.

      You'd think, but no. At my last house the line from the pole to their location was old and needed to be replaced. After a dozen service calls I finally got a tech who told me the truth. Rather than actually fixing it they ended up sending a tech with a much more expensive modem that could deal with the bad line. It mostly worked until I moved. If I would have had a choice of any other ISP I would have taken it. But even with bad lines it was better than dial-up.

    7. Re:Protection plans by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

      I hate Comcast as much as anyone and no longer use their service but in this instance it is hard to see clear cut deception. The Comcast service plan doesn't cover wiring _INSIDE_ the walls (read the OP). But the repair service will cover all of the wiring from the wall outlet, across the floor, the tangle of wiring behind the entertainment center, etc. Oh, and before everyone gets too snarky on me, most utility services, even your electric company, provide repairs only up to the exterior wall of your residence, anything inside is at your expense and has been for decades.

    8. Re:Protection plans by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      No I don't know how it works. You pay money for a service call do they can put cable in to provide THEIR service? Are you stupid? Ask for a manager and they will waive the "service charge". No wonder corporations are so rich. Idiots like you pay them to install their infrastructure for them!

    9. Re:Protection plans by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Sometimes people call a tech and it turns out they haven't plugged in one of their boxes correctly or it got unplugged. I would imagine they would charge you for that.

    10. Re: Protection plans by thundercattt · · Score: 1

      They tried the same nonsense up here in Canada with Bell. "Line protection". I said they installed the line, up to them to repair it.

    11. Re:Protection plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wonky about this "service plan" is that it doent cover _everything_ beyond where the service enters the house, is that not the point of something like that?

      My experience with telephone companies is you could pay a wiring maintenance fee of a few bucks a month, and service calls or faults between the service entrance and the devices in your house would be covered by a visit from a tech. If you didn't pay it, then they would test the line from the box on the side of the house, if the fault wasnt between the box and their network, they would let you know that any work they do beyond this point is chargeable.

      So it seems Comcast is collecting this fee from people under the illusion that all cabling is covered (and it should be because when you got cable installed who installed it? Comcast!).

      Also there needs to be a distinction between Comcast's residential cable network (Xfinity), and the rest of Comcast, these divisions and groups are are run by different people, with different expectations and goals. Just because you had a bad experience with Xfinity doesnt mean the rest of Comcast is rotten.

    12. Re:Protection plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comcast will cover all wiring that THEY installed without this "service plan". Basically, this includes all visible wiring as they don't keep track of what they've actually installed. But if there is an issue with wiring that is inside your walls, they will not cover it since they did not run that wiring (they do not do this, EVER, they will only staple wires along your baseboards and drill holes in your walls to poke wires through, but they will never run wiring inside your walls).

      When Comcast sells you this "service plan", they state that it covers EVERYTHING inside the home. Considering they already take responsibility for VISIBLE wiring and, of course, their own hardware, what else do you think EVERYTHING includes? Right, any normal person would think wiring in walls. THAT is the deception, and that's the basis of this lawsuit.

    13. Re:Protection plans by Raistlin77 · · Score: 1

      Also there needs to be a distinction between Comcast's residential cable network (Xfinity), and the rest of Comcast, these divisions and groups are are run by different people, with different expectations and goals. Just because you had a bad experience with Xfinity doesnt mean the rest of Comcast is rotten.

      No there doesn't. All Comcast divisions pull the same bullshit and are out to screw you just like every other Comcast division. All of Comcast is rotten to the core.

    14. Re:Protection plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the "service plan" would cover that. So if you wanna be a dick, and you're an idiot paying for this service plan, unplug your cable box once a week and call and complain and make them roll a technician.

    15. Re:Protection plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me, I didn't buy the service, Comcast simply tacked the recurring fee on my bill without notice. Although I noticed, disputed it, and eventually had the fees credited back, I'm sure that Comcast got away with this with many others.

    16. Re:Protection plans by Bengie · · Score: 1

      That's pretty crappy. My ISP uses Ethernet for everything, including voice and TV. They had to run Cat5E throughout my house. My friend built a new house with no CAT and he said they ran the cabling through his dry-wall like pros. All "free" of course. If my podunk ISP can afford to run CAT in every house in the city, then Comcast can easily afford to fix or re-run COAX for a small number of customers.

    17. Re:Protection plans by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I hate Comcast as much as anyone and no longer use their service but in this instance it is hard to see clear cut deception. The Comcast service plan doesn't cover wiring _INSIDE_ the walls (read the OP). But the repair service will cover all of the wiring from the wall outlet, across the floor, the tangle of wiring behind the entertainment center, etc. Oh, and before everyone gets too snarky on me, most utility services, even your electric company, provide repairs only up to the exterior wall of your residence, anything inside is at your expense and has been for decades.

      That point is the called the Demarc (short for demarcation, as it splits the division from "we take card of this part" and "you take card of that part").

      It's a box that really is an outdoor version of what you see inside the house - a POTS demark box ends in a RJ11 socket. Your house "plugs" into the RJ11 with a standard silver satin cord to wherever the phone line service is distributed (a break out block, normally).

      Same for your cable - it terminates in an F connector, and your house screws into that for cable service. If your wiring is good enough, satellite providers put a diplexer right there so you can use your internal house wiring for the satellite. (The cable splitter is then replaced with a multi-switch).

      Electricity is somewhat different, but the demarc is almost always the meter socket - just downstream of the meter. Depending on your electric company, the meter may or may be part of your responsibility, and to confuse matters more, the actual meter socket itself may or may not be your responsibility (even though the power company pretty much replaces it for you). It's a tricky thing, because electric meters are supposed to be replaced every 10 years (their calibration expires), and because the socket is exposed to the elements, the meter and socket generally corrode together. It is not unusual for a replaced meter to cause a house to burn down if the socket was not replaced as well - it doesn't happen much, but it does happen and it's usually because of corrosion causing a high resistance connection.

    18. Re:Protection plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your service contract may not be worth the amount of time and effort it takes to rewire your home. It is your home, your property. If your cable hookup sucks whose fault is it? Also, don't be stupid and ask for a manager. Nine times out of ten either the front line agent is just as willing and able to help you or you're talking to the wrong department to begin with. For account issues with Comcast, if you're having issues, do not ask for a manager, speak to "Customer Solutions" (Retention). Also, you're a dick.

  5. But nothing about forcing them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To provide service in their entire monopoly areas. They don't serve my block in Seattle despite having a city-granted monopoly.

    1. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can you post here then? Reading a post like yours is like reading a post "I am dead. Hello everybody."

    2. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...I got better."

    3. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignore this guy. He is a Seattle troll who has some beef with the Seattle City Council because they passed a law where the taxpayers need to agree before any service provider rips up their sidewalks. Guess what buddy? The taxpayers don't want to pay for it. There are multiple providers in Seattle to choose from already.

    4. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where I live in Seattle, they provide service to the other side of the street, but not to mine. The city has blocked them from digging and adding new pedestals, so they can't. Since there's no fine for not offering service, it's cheaper for them to just lose the profit from the ~20 houses than it is to fight the city. Comcast needs to start being fined so they have an incentive to fight to provide service. CenturyLink has the same problem so they haven't been able to upgrade to higher than 1.5 Mbps DSL on my street.

    5. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can you post here then? Reading a post like yours is like reading a post "I am dead. Hello everybody."

      I didn't say I don't have access. I have ISDN at home and share an ISDN line with four other developers at work.

    6. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by hawguy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Where I live in Seattle, they provide service to the other side of the street, but not to mine. The city has blocked them from digging and adding new pedestals, so they can't. Since there's no fine for not offering service, it's cheaper for them to just lose the profit from the ~20 houses than it is to fight the city. Comcast needs to start being fined so they have an incentive to fight to provide service. CenturyLink has the same problem so they haven't been able to upgrade to higher than 1.5 Mbps DSL on my street.

      You want the city to force Comcast to fight the city to provide service that the city won't allow them to provide?

      Is this some sort of job creation program for lawyers?

    7. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want the city to force Comcast to fight the city to provide service that the city won't allow them to provide?

      Is this some sort of job creation program for lawyers?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_process

      "the usual Seattle process of seeking consensus through exhaustion."

      After living here for nearly forty years, I think that's the only way we'll get fast Internet access is by driving the issue from both the consumer and provider sides. Right now, while some progress is being made in allowing CenturyLink to provide Gbps access to a few streets driven by consumer demand, CenturyLink still can't, for example, replace the wiring on my street so that they can provide DSL. We're close enough to the CO, but the over fifty year-old wiring under the street isn't high enough quality to support DSL. Also, CenturyLink isn't fighting hard enough to be allowed to install fiber equipment except on a few streets.

    8. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Sorry it isn't convenient for you to have various companies tear up OUR streets so you can get your 1gpbs fiber. If you want it so badly, move. Leave my streets alone.

    9. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could choose to live somewhere else that does have the services you need.

      Buying a house that doesnt have xyz Telco available to it is about as brilliant as buying a house next to the airport then complaining to everyone about how noisy it is, and that it needs to get shut down.

    10. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry it isn't convenient for you to have various companies tear up OUR streets so you can get your 1gpbs fiber. If you want it so badly, move. Leave my streets alone.

      Great example of typical Seattle-area NIMBY. It's nearly impossible to get anything done here.

    11. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by darkain · · Score: 1

      You literally have a stadium named after Comcast's competitor in Seattle... How do they have a city-granted monopoly?

    12. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by GNious · · Score: 2

      If you need to tear up the streets to lay a bit of extra fiber, I suspect you have some really odd streets ...

    13. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      The interesting side is believing some story that the city won't allow them. Everytime I've encountered that story it generally of the order of "the city wouldn't let us install a pedestal that electrocuted anyone that touched it" or "the city wouldn't let me drape a cable across the pavement" or some other equally asinine reason. The city wants Comcast to provide service, but just like any other entity they have to comply with the laws. Typically what happens is that Comcast decides complying with city ordinances, the same ones everyone else has to comply with is too hard and that they need to change.

      It's a bunch of hogwash, the real reason Comcast doesn't provide service to that street is likely every building on it has signed exclusive agreements with centurylink, which would be the reason the DSL speed is so shitty, why upgrade when you can just pay the landlords money to exclude the competition. Then when someone calls to complain do the typical and blame the local government.

    14. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by jezwel · · Score: 1

      Dayum, you sound like our Prime Minister - http://www.news.com.au/technol... Just a reminder that he is the one responsible for changing the planned national rollout of 'fibre to everywhere possible + wireless & satellite where not' to 'whatever old tech we find and throw at the wall'.

    15. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Nethead · · Score: 1

      I had ISDN in 1998 (in Edmonds to connect to my servers in the Westin Building) but is that still a thing except for 23B1D DS1 circuits for office phones? Maybe some uses in broadcast radio RPU setups, but really? Are you using a 2B1D 128Kb/s line?

      I just hope that you five developers are using terminal SSH to "develop" with. Otherwise your live is hell.

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    16. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Westin Building

      Our ISDN lines terminate in the Fisher Plaza, not far from there.

      > 23B1D DS1

      Better known as PRI. That is what we're using to connect our office and employees from home with 64 kbps ISDN lines (1D) with a Livingston, err Lucent, PM3. It's sad Seattle is still stuck in the mid-1990s. I had a connection over a hundred times faster in rural Georgia over sixteen years ago.

    17. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You literally have a stadium named after Comcast's competitor in Seattle... How do they have a city-granted monopoly?

      CenturyLink, or clink as we call it, does have the telco monopoly in the city. They unfortunately are under the same Director's Rules as every other utility. Even though they want to provide faster than dial-up or ISDN to the entire city, they are blocked by the Director's Rules. I had 1.5 Mbps DSL for several years, but that stopped working since the wires under the street are over fifty years-old. CenturyLink has tried several times to get the super-majority approval for replacing the wiring, but has failed. There's just too much housing in Seattle that is either empty or rental units where the owner isn't available to get that super-majority.

    18. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a bunch of hogwash, the real reason Comcast doesn't provide service to that street is likely every building on it has signed exclusive agreements with centurylink, which would be the reason the DSL speed is so shitty, why upgrade when you can just pay the landlords money to exclude the competition. Then when someone calls to complain do the typical and blame the local government.

      I live in a single-family house in the city limits of Seattle. There are no exclusive agreements here.

    19. Re:But nothing about forcing them... by Bengie · · Score: 1

      With modern equipment, they don't need to tear up the roads. I guess they're called horizontal drills. They used them all around my city. Not even traffic interruption while running lines under the road.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  6. Accuses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They do and they don't even try to hide it.

  7. Punitive damages by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

    Without punitive damages (loss of right of ways, permission to do business) they will laugh this off and keep right on going.

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    "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
    1. Re:Punitive damages by H3lldr0p · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm betting that the state DA is doing everything they're allowed to under the applicable laws. I greatly doubt that the Washington legislature gave the DA the ability to yank right-of-ways or anything of the like. That power either lies with a utility commission or with a legislative committee. Rightly so. I wouldn't want a DA to be playing politics with utility companies. I'd rather have them be as independent as possible.

      If I lived in that state, I'd be calling and writing my rep and those on said committee and push there.

    2. Re:Punitive damages by wbr1 · · Score: 1
      Comcast had approximately 68 Billion in revenue in 2015.

      100M? Pittance. They will spend double that on attorneys to fight, and then quadruple that to get accounts and attorneys to hide things better next time. Then they will pay that again to lobby for lighter restrictions.

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      Silence is a state of mime.
  8. fix the real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Washington state wanted to do their people a real solid. They would eliminate all monopoly status granted to comcast and other companies at the city level.

    Monopolies have no reason to improve other than to increase profit. They control it all. Things like deceptive practices would be weeded out by competition.

    A happy customer tells no one. A unhappy customer will tell at a minimum 7 other people. With a monopoly those other 7 are meaningless and do nothing.

  9. Now to try to get all the other states to ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do the same.
    Then, if the prevailing winds of change shift just a little, maybe they can be classified as a utility.

  10. $100M by by+(1706743) · · Score: 1

    Nice to see some real money for these violations. $100M certainly wont bankrupt Comcast, but hopefully it will make them sit up and take notice.

    1. Re:$100M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to see some real money for these violations. $100M certainly wont bankrupt Comcast, but hopefully it will make them sit up and take notice.

      And then turn around and use that $100M as seed money to fund municipal cable systems.

      Hurt them twice as much.

    2. Re:$100M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Comcast (allegedly) rips off the consumers and the state fills its pockets with another 100 million dollars of taxpayers funds paid via Comcast. That's just fucking fantastic.

    3. Re:$100M by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      It is Comcastic!

    4. Re:$100M by by+(1706743) · · Score: 1

      Right. Comcast (allegedly) rips off the consumers and the state fills its pockets with another 100 million dollars of taxpayers funds paid via Comcast. That's just fucking fantastic.

      From TFA:

      According to KOMO News, the lawsuit is seeking more than $73 million in restitution to pay back Service Protection Plan subscriber payments; full restitution for all service calls that applied an improper resolution code, estimated to be at least $1 million...

      I could be reading it incorrectly, but it seems that (if the state wins) >$73M+$1M goes directly to the customers.

      IANAL, but I would guess (???) that if the money *didn't* go back to the subscribers/taxpayers, then they could turn around and file a class action (though again, my understanding is that the subscribers will be getting a fair chunk of the $100M if they win).

  11. Why Oh, Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the plan did not cover wiring inside a wall, the lawsuit says. The Attorney General Office says 75 percent of the time, customers who contacted Comcast were told the plan covered inside wiring.

    Why oh, why every single effing company in this whole wide world is doing the very same mistake over and over again? Are terms of service and the education of sales and service people so impossibly difficult in every single country this has happened? All this lamenting is only subsided by the creeping conspiratorial suspicion of foul play from the side of managers and their unholy secret order of customer let down.

    1. Re:Why Oh, Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why oh, why every single effing company in this whole wide world is doing the very same mistake over and over again? Are terms of service and the education of sales and service people so impossibly difficult in every single country this has happened?

      "So, for just $4.99 per month, you get peace of mind knowing that you won't be charged for a service call."

      "So if the service I pay you for doesn't work, you'll charge me to fix it unless I pay you even more every month?"

      "Er, um, no, your normal monthly charge does not include service calls. That's an extra charge that you can avoid for only $4.99/month!"

      "You mean that if your service doesn't work, you'll charge me for the service that you're not providing and then you'll charge me again to restore the service?"

      "Exactly! Wait, no, that would be insane. We would only charge you for a service call if there is a problem with your house wiring, which is up to you to maintain."

      "So for $4.99 per month, you'll maintain my house wiring in addition to your equipment?"

      "Well, no, um, but, well, I guess? I don't see what else we could be charging you for."

    2. Re:Why Oh, Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The terms of service and what this policy covers are somehow subject to random change and are not readily available even to conscientious employees. Generally the policy covers the $50 truck roll fee, but other than that, God knows.

  12. When is Government Going to Get Off Our Backs! by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Comcasts of the world are the backbone of the U.S. economy, the job creators, shining examples of the free market at work. And yet again, we have government coming in to ride rough-shod over a company with a long history of innovation and customer service. If only there were a candidate who was a real leader when it came to business. Then we'd see things change for the better...
    ...OK. I give up. I can't type with a straight face anymore.

    1. Re:When is Government Going to Get Off Our Backs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also have a long running history of defrauding their customers.

      I've been ripped off by comcast before. It's not nice to pay all that money for a service and then have them rip you off and not provide the service you were promised.

    2. Re:When is Government Going to Get Off Our Backs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all fairness, Comcast does have a long history of being known for their customer service. If I mention to anybody I know about Comcast customer service, they all grown, some start crying and others go into convulsions. Some start cursing uncontrollably. If that's not being known for their customer service, I don't know what is. Being known for something doesn't mean known for good reasons.

    3. Re:When is Government Going to Get Off Our Backs! by SirAstral · · Score: 0

      What is wrong with you? There is no such thing as a free market in the telecom space. The free market has been regulated out of existence by the FCC and its regulations.

      You are blaming free market for problems created by socialism and corrupt government practices. Once you cry for regulation, all you are doing is putting the government and businesses in bed together. Now I see you crying over it all since your plan has failed... but you still have not missed the parts of the instructions that say immediately blame something you hate, even if that accusation is wrong as the day is long!

    4. Re:When is Government Going to Get Off Our Backs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I give up. I can't type with a straight face anymore.

      Pedantry Time. It doesn't matter whether you're typing it with a straight face or laughing like a hyena, we can't actually see you. :-)

      Except me. I have control of your webcam.

      Stop picking your damn nose.

    5. Re:When is Government Going to Get Off Our Backs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot..now wait..BAZINGA.

    6. Re:When is Government Going to Get Off Our Backs! by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 1

      So Comcast steals from its customers because zOMG SOOOOCIALISM!
      So Comcast puts you through the wringer for daring to cancel their "service" because zOMG SOOOOOCIALISM!
      Don't put any rules at all on business and we'll all be drinking that free bubble up and eating that rainbow stew, just like we were about 1880 or so before the zOMG SOOOOCIALISTS! ruined everything.
      And here I thought thievery was the fault of the thief, and Republicans were about personal responsibility.

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    7. Re:When is Government Going to Get Off Our Backs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about? I'm paying $20/m for naked(unbundled) 150/150 dedicated business fiber in Midwest USA. I kid, I know what you're talking about. But really, I'm paying that little for an uncapped dedicated line with Level 3 as my upstream. Want 6ms pings to Chicago game servers? Come on over. j/k. We're a small city with nothing to do than fast cheap internet and cow tipping.

    8. Re:When is Government Going to Get Off Our Backs! by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      So Comcast steals from its customers because zOMG SOOOOCIALISM! So Comcast puts you through the wringer for daring to cancel their "service" because zOMG SOOOOOCIALISM! Don't put any rules at all on business and we'll all be drinking that free bubble up and eating that rainbow stew, just like we were about 1880 or so before the zOMG SOOOOCIALISTS! ruined everything. And here I thought thievery was the fault of the thief, and Republicans were about personal responsibility.

      Whoosh much?

  13. Comcast is known for deceptive marketing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Living in Washington State and having used Comcast for several years because their internet access is the only reasonable thing in the area, I can attest to their deceptive marketing, poor service and price gouging!

    They sell two bundles at a decent price and tell the customer this is the price for a year or two years. After about 3 months, I would notice the price going up.
    When I called, they would tell me that this promotion expired or that promotion expired. I would explain that it was supposed to be for the year or two.
    Their response would be, "I am not sure who told you that but (insert promotion here) expired.

    I have gone through this a few times and talked to several other people that have experienced some form of this.

    The issue is there is no REAL competition for internet speed which makes them the only viable game in town.

    Google Fiber... where are you?!

  14. Business leader by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 0

    You might find this article interesting.

    In any event, if you think any issue is more important than illegal immigrant amnesty, feel free to vote for that other candidate.

    Specifically, amnesty that will dump 17 million new job seekers into the economic market.

    If you're secure in your job, and don't think you'll have trouble finding a new one if needed, then by all means vote for her.

    1. Re:Business leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might find this article interesting.

      In any event, if you think any issue is more important than illegal immigrant amnesty, feel free to vote for that other candidate.

      Specifically, amnesty that will dump 17 million new job seekers into the economic market.

      If you're secure in your job, and don't think you'll have trouble finding a new one if needed, then by all means vote for her.

      How many illegal immigrants actually live in the USA and do not work? Given how badly citizens of the USA struggle if they don't work (considering that they have access to welfare of sorts), how would a illegal immigrant survive without working in the USA?
      The way I see things with illegal immigrants and amnesty in the USA is that it will screw over the primary producers and service industry when their undocumented workers suddenly become legal persons in the USA and require a minimum wage and taxes to be paid.

    2. Re: Business leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you really want to know, it turns out that if you are willing to share a room with 4 other people in a three bedroom house that's holding 20 people, then rent gets pretty cheap, and if you don't pay insurance or registration for your car, or for health insurance, or income tax, then it gets a bit more affordable. Fortunately, nice chumps like you will pay for uninsured motorist coverage and triple for health care to cover them. No problem at all with raising your taxes, or rent if they're subtle. Fortunately, they tend to be pretty non-violent folks, but their criminal element makes American gangs look pretty tame. Even better is that we pay some of them to vote. I mean, not cash, just two meals and a bus ride to the polling station

  15. Places should not hide under fineprint & contr by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Places should not be able to hide under fine print & a system of contractors / sub contractors.

    It's seems like reps where saying one thing but the fine print stated something different. Now maybe when it's 1-2 reps the company should not take full responsibility but when it's poor training / a big hit your sales numbers or your out push / miss leading scripts and or sales pitches then company needs to take responsibility.

    Also 200 fix codes just shows how messed Comcast's back end is and how easy it is for a tech to pick the wrong ones.

    Now the AG needs to also sue comcast contractors / sub contractors just they can't pin the blame on them or say we did not do that but jay's cable service llc did it / get there documents under discovery.

  16. The penalty is a joke. by ubergeek65536 · · Score: 1

    $2,000 per violation of the Consumer Protection Act. Shouldn't that be more like $2,000,000 per violation?
    That's not much of an incentive to keep companies from screwing customers.

    1. Re:The penalty is a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FTA: The lawsuit alleges 1,800,000 separate violations of the CPA. 1,800,000 * 2000 = 3,600,000,000, or about three and a half billion dollars. That's the ballpark for their maximum punitive damages on this case. Asking for $100 million instead is just some DA not having enough balls to do what the law says he should do.

  17. Not Enough by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The correct amount is that which will depress the stock value. Only then will the investors take action to purge management of the vermin that infests it now.

    $100 million or a $1 Billion, whatever it takes.

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    1. Re: Not Enough by easyTree · · Score: 1

      +1

  18. We Need a Solution for the Last Mile Problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and this isn't it. My goodness, the government of the State of Washington is packed with losers. Please, please, please, please, please, would you finally allow other vendors to compete by providing content and internet connections over RG-6 coax cable and fiber optic lines? Stepping back and allowing our capitalist free marketplace to operate properly will provide results. This bullshit lawsuit will not.

    Forcing multiple providers to compete for the public's dollars on a fair and level playing field is THE ONLY THING that will make them lower prices, increase quality, and provide some sense of customer service.

    Pull your bureaucratic heads out of your collective asses, Washington. You're embarrassing yourselves and your constituents like me.

  19. Corporations rights by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    If the corporation has rights and is considered a entity, can't the state declare that the entity has revealed itself to be a habitual violator and undesirable corporate citizen and remove its' utility protections ? Systemic violation and internal documentation that enforces unfair/illegal practices should be rewarded with 'shunning'

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  20. Uhh... by easyTree · · Score: 1

    pattern of illegally deceiving its own customers for profit

    Otherwise known as business - why single Comcast out?

  21. Just Washington? by sabbede · · Score: 1

    I remember calling BS on this when I had Comcast Comcast is a bad actor.

    1. Re:Just Washington? by sabbede · · Score: 1
      WOAH! What the heck? My post changed when I hit the button!

      Should be - I remember calling BS on this when I had Comcast less than 5 years ago here in Georgia. And it's not even the most outrageous deception they tried to pull on me.

      Comcast is a bad actor.

      (I see what happened. I had a "less than" in front of the 5, accidentally clicked post after preview.)

  22. This is why drugs cost so much by mpercy · · Score: 1

    Big pharma is just buffering up the cash to deal with the inevitable 1-800-BAD-DRUG lawyers and class action suits. I'm pretty certain they'll cure cancer but the cure may cause ouchy hangnails in 0.0001% of patients, and 1-800-BAD-DRUG will put them out of business.

  23. Washington State is a college by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Washington is a state.

  24. caveat distemper by epine · · Score: 1

    Comcast failed to install Internet for 10 months then demanded $60,000 in fees

    Bet this guy wishes he had paid Comcast's paltry $500/month "we won't sue you after we fuck you over" protection fee. They don't push that one quite so heavily. You have to know and ask about a special promotion code.

  25. CenturyLink is Worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That’s great, but once you’re done with Comcast, you need to go after CenturyLink, too.

    Having subscribed to both companies' services in Seattle, I can tell you that CenturyLink is WAY sleazier than Comcast. I had to file three complaints with the WA state AG's office in the first two months of service because of CenturyLink's deceptive and fraudulent practices. I have never felt the need to file a complaint with the AG's office before nor since. CenturyLink is just a horrifically unethical company.

  26. Nice timing by tmh+-+The+Mad+Hacker · · Score: 1

    The state AG announced the lawsuit the day before the primary election. Bob's definitely looking to make friends!