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Microsoft To Release Two Major Windows 10 Updates Next Year (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: With the Windows 10 Anniversary Update, aka Windows 10 version 1607, released earlier this week, it's time to look forward to what's next. Windows 10 has multiple release tracks to address the needs of its various customer types. The mainstream consumer release, the one that received the Anniversary Update on Tuesday, is dubbed the Current Branch (CB). The Current Branch for Business (CBB) trails the CB by several months, giving it greater time to bed in and receive another few rounds of bug fixing. Currently the CBB is using last year's November Update, version 1511. In about four months, Microsoft plans to bump CBB up to version 1607, putting both CB and CBB on the same major version. [The Long Term Servicing Branch, an Enterprise-only version that will receive security and critical issue support for 10 years, will also be updated.] Going forward, however, the differences between both current branch variants (CB and CBB) and LTSB will become more marked. Microsoft is not planning another major update this year. There will be no equivalent to last year's 1511 release, but Microsoft will have two next year. These are believed to be codenamed Redstone 2 (rs2) and Redstone 3 (rs3), with this week's 1607 release being Redstone 1 (rs1). Current expectation is that rs2 will have a heavy mobile focus and be shipped simultaneously with new Surface branded hardware.

150 comments

  1. release is the new force by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    it might be with you

    1. Re:release is the new force by msauve · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Translation of the summary: Bend over, we promise we'll like it.

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    2. Re:release is the new force by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

      Windows: 10
      Users: Zero

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      Never been known to fail..."
    3. Re:release is the new force by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Keep it up. I might even re-friend you one of these days.

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    4. Re:release is the new force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's pretty sad that you can consider random people that you've never met and will never meet as friends.

    5. Re: release is the new force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I consider you a friend.

      A BFF even.

    6. Re: release is the new force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I consider both of you lovers.

  2. Catching up to Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows 10.1 is now out, with Windows 10.2 and Windows 10.3 expected next year...

    What's in a name?

    1. Re:Catching up to Apple by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      Like the old SP system but with build numbers only.

    2. Re:Catching up to Apple by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've been through two major OS upgrades and even more minor ones since purchasing my Mac mini, none of which I paid for. Either you're misinformed or Apple just really likes me for some reason.

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    3. Re:Catching up to Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares about free upgrades if it destroys your Linux partitions? No need to pay MS updates, we can charge them for the damages on our systems instead.

    4. Re:Catching up to Apple by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Funny

      Windows 10.1 is now out, with Windows 10.2 and Windows 10.3 expected next year...

      What's in a name?

      I still think they should have called it Windows X, and started designated the major releases using names of various rodents. Windows X Hamster, Windows X Squirrel, Windows X Guinea Pig, etc

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    5. Re: Catching up to Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will Windows X Hamster have a built-in milf mode?

    6. Re:Catching up to Apple by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Or alternatively, they can go the movie/game reboot route and call it just Windows, without any indication of the version of the system in the name.

    7. Re:Catching up to Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      windows isn't done until linux doesn't run.

    8. Re:Catching up to Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should use film title names: Windows 10: The Update Strikes Back", "Windows 11: The Wrath of the System Administrators", "Windows 12: The Lawyers Return".

    9. Re:Catching up to Apple by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Apple still CHARGES you for those updates every year where MS you get them for free.

      It's early days for Win10, which MS has told us is the last ever Windows. We have yet to see if MS gives free updates in the longer term. I very much suspect you will need to sign up to rental for that, sooner or later.

    10. Re:Catching up to Apple by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      I still think they should have .... designated the major releases using names of various rodents. Windows X Hamster, Windows X Squirrel, Windows X Guinea Pig, etc

      Windows 10 Rat

    11. Re:Catching up to Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But in seriousness, yeah, they should have renamed the last version to something else, like Windows X which would make since if it's going to be the last version. Windows 10 is a dumb name. You had Windows 3.xx, 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP, Vista, 7 ,8, 8.1, now 10. Their naming convention is sporadic. Without third party support their OS would be seen as a useless and buggy piece of shit OS worse than linux.

    12. Re:Catching up to Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Apple still CHARGES you for those updates every year where MS you get them for free.

      All in all, considering the cost-benefit ratio, Apple's are cheaper: http://www.stickycomics.com/computer-update/

      BTW, let's not mix apples and oranges: last time I tried a Windows update it took an entire day and then it failed; it then tried to revert to the previous configuration and failed again, rendering the PC useless.

      Linux updates, OTOH, typically take about 3 (yes, three) minutes -- I have a good broadband connection.

      The cartoon is quite accurate.

    13. Re: Catching up to Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully Windows X Hamster isn't vulnerable to man-in-the-middle attacks

    14. Re:Catching up to Apple by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1
      How is the cartoon accurate about OS X which has been free after Mountain Lion (2012). Before then it was
      Mountain Lion(2012): US$19.99
      Lion (2011): US$29.99
      Snow Leopard (2009): US$29.99
      Leopard (2007): US$129

      So almost ten years ago it was almost accurate.

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    15. Re:Catching up to Apple by r1348 · · Score: 1

      I did the Anniversary update on one of my desktops that dual-boots to Fedora, and it did not mess up the linux partitions. What it does, however, is set itself as default boot option instead of grub, but that's easily fixed with an one-line command.

    16. Re: Catching up to Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't, but it is vulnerable to hamsters-in-the-ass attacks.

    17. Re: Catching up to Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What about: "Windows will not start. We have detected that your use of Microsoft Windows is too limited. This may be because you only use a specific Microsoft Windows application, or only certain types of applications such as games. A normal user of Microsoft Windows uses a number of applications including a web browser. To reinstate your Microsoft Windows License you must link your activities using third party software with your Microsoft Customer Profile. If you have used a linux system to circumvent your Microsoft Profile, Microsoft has prepared special software to collect the missing information from your third party system. Click here for more information"

    18. Re:Catching up to Apple by phrostie · · Score: 1

      +1

    19. Re:Catching up to Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Insects work better.

      Windows X Aphid
      Windows X Flea
      Windows X Gnat
      Windows X Mosquito
      Windows X Termite
      Windows X Cockroach

  3. anniversary update by quonsar · · Score: 1, Interesting

    is it still wiping random partitions during update?

    1. Re:anniversary update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I dunno but I suspect we might have further GPO settings removed, further cortana/bing/onedrive/azure/xbox integration (and whatever other rent-seeking crap they can think of), more 2D flat grey uglyness, more forced appy apps (less relevant/useful Win32 stuff), more ads, more telemetry and lots more stuff no one wants of. But hey, they might also give you a couple extra emojis or something! A few shills a.k.a. reviewers will manage to find 4 or 5 irrelevant points to discuss for 2 pages, touting them as upgrades.

      I wish all useful software got ported to Linux... Windows is very quickly turning into a huge turd!

    2. Re:anniversary update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It didn't wipe anything. It was FOSSHUB, a repository of OPEN SOURCE applications, which had been hacked. People installed malware from it and then blamed Windows 10. http://news.softpedia.com/news...

    3. Re:anniversary update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. That particular malware informs the user of what has happened. That was not at all what the users experiencing the Windows wipe reported.

      And why would userspace applications have the right to write the MBR of disks that the OS isn't supposed to touch?

  4. Windows As A Service? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I thought, based upon what I read about Windows 10, that Microsoft's new Windows As A Service model would have continuous improvement model, moving away from the major chunks of product upgrades.

    .
    Now I'm reading that there will be two updates in 2017.

    What other Windows 10 disappointments are on the horizon?

    And Microsoft plans to charge a monthly fee for this?

    1. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a way for people to feel like they're getting what they paid for. Like what they do to justify prices to their enterprise customers.

    2. Re:Windows As A Service? by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      And Microsoft plans to charge a monthly fee for this?

      Nope.

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    3. Re:Windows As A Service? by aberglas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed, when I installed Windows 10 it downloaded many gigabytes of updates immediately.

      We no longer have the concept of different patch sets, or having any control of what and when our computer changes its software. It is continuously changing. Which is why sometimes things mysteriously stop working, only to start again a few weeks later.

      The brave new world of not having any control at all over your own computers. There are no "major updates", just continuous change without warning.

    4. Re:Windows As A Service? by ProzacPatient · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What other Windows 10 disappointments are on the horizon?

      They'll probably remove more group policies from the Professional version so they can gouge people into paying for the Enterprise edition. I fully expect Windows 10 Pro to slowly devolve into the equivalent of a "Home Premium." A more optimistic outlook though is that ReactOS has made major progress the past couple years.

    5. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not different than most other services, such as WoW, or Office 365. You pay a monthly fee to use the product, and you get periodic updates to it. How periodic can vary wildly. I think what you might be confusing is their "updates" as in Windows Updates, like security and bug fixes. Those are moving to a constant, as-needed, basis rather than being aligned with "patch tuesday" scheduling.

    6. Re:Windows As A Service? by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      You mean you've never seen software as a service batch up their improvements into larger updates they can use to muster more press attention? It's simple marketing logic, it doesn't "disappoint". You can get the updates as they're being built up by subscribing to the Insider builds, if you so desire.

      I also still haven't seen anything about monthly fees, so stop with the FUD.

    7. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We no longer have the concept of different patch set
      THANK GOODNESS! This means there is ONE version of Windows 10 that developers have to support. No longer can ITIL IT shops "evaluate patches" and other messing around, instead, it's "current or not". There's a bug? The bug is then fixed in the next cumulative update, if it's a security bug or even if it's NOT a security bug. There's no need to test software against a bunch of different patches - there is only CURRENT. No longer can arrogant software vendors say "you cannot install this patch, we haven't validated it", because NOT installing the patch is simply not an option. Those arrogant, lazy, vendors are forced to comply with reality because bug fixes, changes, and security updates (which are a MUST HAVE) are all integrated together.

      Honestly, THIS is not the part that scares me. The bundled software irritates me and the telemetry isn't great; but forcing everyone onto a single version of Windows? Great!

      Besides, this is how most OSS projects work. Security issue? You're told to upgrade.

    8. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Install gentoo

    9. Re:Windows As A Service? by bspus · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, with an update roll-up every six months, controlled updating is easier than ever.

      Simply turn updates off. It can be done. Then apply the new version of windows 10 if and when you want as an upgrade.
      Upgrading works quite well and you don't lose your existing settings like a complete reinstallation.
      At most you are six months behind at any given time. Big deal

      For corporate environments, with pro windows and wsus the update control was never lost in the first place.

      Honestly, I dread far more the situation with certain rolling linux distros where you upgrade with your fingers crossed each time, particularly if it has been a while since the last time. And its not like you can postopone upgrading forever because sooner or later you'll want to use a repository and the package manager to install something.

    10. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Microsoft plans to charge a monthly fee for this?

      Give it time, particularly when computers with better hardware start getting harder to find because they're offloading their processing to Microsoft's cloud systems.

      I expect they'll start charging by the time most PCs are actually Microsoft-controlled dumb terminals running Windows, if they have their way.

    11. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fully expect Windows 10 Pro to slowly devolve into the equivalent of a "Home Premium."

      It's fun how forced updates have turned "upgrades" into "cripplings," isn't it?

    12. Re:Windows As A Service? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Informative

      Besides, this is how most OSS projects work.

      Except that with Linux distributions, e.g., you choose the patches you want by choosing the distribution that does the patches you want. You can pick a more conservative or more trigger-happy team of people. With Windows 10? Apparently, you can buy your new car as long you want it black.

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    13. Re:Windows As A Service? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      And Microsoft plans to charge a monthly fee for this?

      Not yet.

      TFTFY.

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    14. Re: Windows As A Service? by spectrum- · · Score: 1

      No fee, they just take your soul :)

    15. Re: Windows As A Service? by spectrum- · · Score: 2

      In all seriousness though they won't need to. What may end up happening is Windows remains free but to do anything on it requires software from the windows store
      or hosted on Azure. Kinda like CoreOS - Windows could slowly end up being a vehicle for docker like containers of software or services. Subscription based etc. I would assume
      that they would allow third party or open source but take a cut for delivery or for disabling advertising through the delivery method.
      Everything will be a gateway to Azure and Windows store. To some extent I'm not against payment for something good. I'd just prefer it to be an open model with nice generic standards and without the cloying stench of vendor lock-in. Competition is good for all.

    16. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not different than most other services, such as WoW, or Office 365.

      That I don't use because I hate that business model.
      Our current CAD software is switching over to that model so we are sticking with the old version until we have found an alternative.

      Renting something is fine if you only need it for a week. That is true for cars, housing and software.
      If I intend to use something indefinitely I know that I just get screwed over if I rent. I'm much better off paying a one time fee after which I can do as i please with it.
      At least I won't end up in a situation where I suddenly have to pay twice as much because "why the hell not".

      Possible exception would be easily replaceable subscription services. I can switch internet provider at will. My provider knows this and doesn't want me to. The service provider I switch to will do all the paperwork for me and make sure the transition is seamless.
      I don't see how I could switch operating system as conveniently.

      If you try to force me into a model where I know that I get screwed over then I prefer to switch provider before I get into that position.

    17. Re: Windows As A Service? by spectrum- · · Score: 1

      Group Policy is pretty much just an interface to registry settings. I'm sure most changes can still be made by amending the right keys. You could even push down those key changes with group policy on AD or use DSC or other methods like auto hotkey or a deployed powershell script running as system on a scheduled task etc.

    18. Re: Windows As A Service? by spectrum- · · Score: 1

      The barrier for ReactOS as much as for Linux is software from vendors that they will only support on MS Windows. It may work but if you hit a problem and they won't help because of an unsupported platform, that can be scary for some organisations. Esp with legacy software and closed source so called "industry standard" stuff. The sea of change can be slow sadly.

      For home users this is a different situation, they can find workarounds etc. Third party apps grow around annoyances etc. Enterprises are already paying a subscription model and using KMS for OS and Office etc. Different needs, different risks.

    19. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I moved on to Linux. Very much disappointed in Windows 10 and Microsoft these days. I think I have used Windows since 3.11 and never thought I would experience such disregard for users from Microsoft. They have totally taken over your device and decide everything for it. I cannot be treated so poorly any more just because you offered a free upgrade Microsoft. I won't become your PC bitch.

    20. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Complain all you want, but games have been dealing with this for years with Steam. Whenever a game has an update available, it's updated automatically. The user can set certain games to not automatically update, but this is mostly intended to allow control over when bandwidth is used, NOT for which version of the game the player wants to play. If the game is not updated, Steam will block access until it does (unless certain workarounds are made).

      This has been a problem in the past - for example, earlier builds of Rage allowed more console options that allowed the disabling of certain graphical filters, which in certain cases actually improved graphics quality because there was less bullshit post-processing active. The final version of the game disables these console commands, because God-forbid an iD software game provides the means to tweak the engine. But if you want an older version, you can't get it via Steam because you can't select specific game version.

      Point is - people will get used to this. It just requires a "she'll be alright" approach to computing.

    21. Re:Windows As A Service? by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      And Microsoft plans to charge a monthly fee for this?

      Nope.

      You are sure of that are you? Reference ? I don't have a reference that they will introduce rental, but I don't see how else they will get an income from consumer Wiindows. I suspect that users will fall behind and/or get drowned in ads if they don't move to rental when it is offered. Think 2-3 years from now.

    22. Re:Windows As A Service? by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      Simply turn updates off. It can be done.

      I understood that was impossible in Win10 unless you disconnect from the internet. Reference anyone?

    23. Re: Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, they explicity stated that registry settings won't work either. You have absolutely no control over the disabled settings.

    24. Re: Windows As A Service? by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      OEM licenses and Office 365 services.

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    25. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like shit that only a tech noob would like. Personally, I customize the hell out of my PC and run a mix of old and new programs. I would be livid if MS just came in and changed all of my stuff or broke compatibility with software.

      Good thing I didn't downgrade to Spyware 10.

    26. Re:Windows As A Service? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > This has been a problem in the past - for example, earlier builds of Rage allowed more console options that allowed the disabling of certain graphical filters, which in certain cases actually improved graphics quality because there was less bullshit post-processing active.

      Very interesting. You wouldn't happen to have a source for that by chance? Thanks!

      I'm still trying to find the screenshot comparisons of the HDR / tone mapping before/after.

    27. Re: Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention all your keystrokes are belong to ms telemetry.

    28. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      start>run>services.msc>disable windows update service

    29. Re: Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If it flys, floats, or fucks, you're better off renting.

    30. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently, you can buy your new car as long you want it black.

      In case you've forgotten, that business model worked out quite well for Ford.

    31. Re:Windows As A Service? by bspus · · Score: 2

      The windows update service is still stoppable from the services menu.
      What you lose with windows 10 is the ability to choose which updates you apply. So it's all or nothing

      Unless of course you use wsus in a corporate environment

    32. Re:Windows As A Service? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Reference?

      Show me where MS is planning a fee rather than proving a negative which is what conservative Christians use to prove evolution is not a fact? The enterprise edition is the only service I can see which has always been.

      Also I do not get ads on either of my 10 systems. I swear slashdot is turning more into the crazy Mac forums where misinformation and ignorance based on fear is king.

    33. Re:Windows As A Service? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Again there is no evidence. Put down the tinfoil hats.

    34. Re:Windows As A Service? by phrostie · · Score: 1

      Not sure if it has everything you need but,,,

        http://www.freecadweb.org/

      https://www.youtube.com/result...

    35. Re: Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have a link about this, specifically? I couldn't find anything about registry settings not working as well.

    36. Re:Windows As A Service? by iampiti · · Score: 1

      As much as I like ReactOS it's still very far from being a viable replacement for Windows. Still lots of software doesn't work, not stable enough, many features missing...
      They're really doing a great job given the few programmers they have but something the size of Windows needs hundreds of people working on it

    37. Re:Windows As A Service? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      For how long?

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    38. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought, based upon what I read about Windows 10, that Microsoft's new Windows As A Service model would have continuous improvement model,

      "Continous Improvement" being Newspeak for "Downward Spiral".

    39. Re:Windows As A Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With Windows 10? Apparently, you can buy your new car as long you want it black.

      With "black" being an analogy for "festering".

    40. Re:Windows As A Service? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      The brave new world of not having any control at all over your own computers. There are no "major updates", just continuous change without warning.

      It has been creeping towards this for quite some time as various things that would seem to be user configurable are not. I have already seen the future and it will be "to do that, simply call your system administrator and have them make those changes in your Active Directory domain". I hear they are even going to put out an Enterprise version where the AD is configurable by the user later this year for those few people that want/need that but don't have volume licenses.

  5. What I need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is control, real control over the OS, that's it!

    If MS keeps "telemetry", I see BSD/Android in the future...

    *PS No, Linux can't be seen in the future...sorry, political agendas and all that crap...

    1. Re:What I need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you're the one with political agendas if you're choosing your software based on politics..

    2. Re:What I need... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Linux has been seeing notable gains in the desktop in the form of Chrome OS.

    3. Re:What I need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ChromeOS has all the same privacy issues just with a different company.

    4. Re: What I need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just don't install anything with systemd
      it is just as bad as having windows 10

    5. Re:What I need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So install chromium os. It is the same as chromeos but without the google component and your 'privacy' issues. Can you do that with windows 10? NO.

    6. Re: What I need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why?

    7. Re:What I need... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Good thing Android has no telemetry or any affiliation with advertising at all! You can trust them

    8. Re:What I need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See: Spybot Antispy and DWS Lite. Because the actual answer is YES, with a half dozen clicks.

    9. Re:What I need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chromium OS/Chrome OS are pretty worthless without Google's web "applications", so either way, they're still watching and tracking everything you do.

      I'm getting closer to buying a Mac. I never thought that I would consider one as I've been a PC user all of my life, but I'm beginning to trust Apple more than Google or Microsoft.

  6. Fucking Microsoft ad! Pure click bait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That summary said absolutely nothing! What the fuck is the matter with you people?! This is just so sad! Garbage garbage garbage! Nothing but garbage. Not a single technical detail anywhere to be seen. Just advertising. What shit!

  7. Why? by JediJorgie · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Why do people even bother posting Windows/Microsoft stuff on Slashdot any more? The comments are always a useless shit-storm. Millions of use Windows, it is sad that we have to elsewhere to actually find useful discussion.

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The comments?! What about the summary? It's just a damn ad without a technical detail within a thousand miles, just vague bullshit about bug fixes and "security". The Olympics athletes' diarrhea is more interesting than this! If they want a useful discussion, they have to put up at least a semi-useful article.

      As for why it was posted, it should be fucking obvious. It's a goddamn ad! For "stuff that matters", there's baseball.

    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where have you been?

      Windows has become so sucky it's a shitstorm all by itself. It's human nature for people to be fascinated by such huge amounts of FAIL.

      Haven't you ever watched any of the Fail videos on Youtube, and seen how many views they get? It's like that. Windows is failing so badly it's like watching a Rekt video. It's hard to turn away from such a waste of what used to be (about 15 years ago) a reasonably good OS.

      It's also interesting because of the failure of Satya Nadella. He made many erroneous public statements about how people were going to love the new editions of Windows. But instead, he's proving to be as much of a misguided clown as Ballmer was. That level of human fail is rare and students of business can learn much from the huge mistakes he keeps making.

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For shame. You've been here long enough that you should know what slashdot is about. Slashdot is the place where people care about their rights, their privacy and having choice. windows 10 is a massive breach of these things so it gets the shit that it deserves on here.

      You talk about going 'elsewhere' for discussion. Most people are ignorant and don't care about their privacy and rights either and they use whatever shit miscrosoft shoves down their throat in the operating system. How else do you think microsoft got such a big market share with internet explorer (to push their web standards), msn messenger (to push microsoft accounts) and windows media player (to push wma, wmv and asf formats and their drm).

      Morons think microsoft has changed but its still the same microsoft with lesser might to push their standards and instead of ie, msn messenger, wmp in windows it is the app store, cortana, bing, one drive, xbox trash and phone integration THAT YOU CAN'T UNINSTALL. You've been here 10 years, wake up.

    4. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Billions. And for the uninitiated *nixers, Windows actually works with everything. Linux? Narrow, pigeon holed horse pucky no business actually uses day-to-day because it's a giant time suck.

    5. Re:Why? by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      "Millions of use Windows,"

      So? Doesn't mean it's good, millions of people die every year, does that mean dying is good?

      Win10 is 100% spyware, it completely ticks the necessary boxes for being spyware. So it's fair enough that people don't like it, people don't like spyware and they especially don't like the OS they use being spyware since it can spy on everything the user does. What is worst is Microsoft's dishonestly in not saying what metrics it collects, most of all those metrics it still collects even when all privacy settings have been set to maximum privacy.

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      Waterfox - a Firefox fork with legacy extension support, security updates and better privacy by default.
    6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about when microsoft decides it doesn't like your particular settings and resets them to THEIR "recommended" ones. windows 10 is definitely not alone here, either:

      just did two side by side brand new windows 7 installs, right off sp1 install media. made one change. ONE: change windows update to "download and notify" & 'important' updates only.

      after the initial windows update "update", i double checked the update settings and just let 'em go... 2 days later (yes, it can take *that long* the first time), i come back one system has 150+ updates downloaded and waiting (as expected)... the other installed every fucking important update on its own, including a half dozen or so "non security" windows10/spyware related ones i would have deselected given the chance to. windows update was changed to install automatically.

      the well behaved was 7pro, the other was 7hp. seems microsoft doesn't "trust" home users to know what they're doing or some bullshit, i dunno. it got formatted and reinstalled anyway.

    7. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've used nothing but Linux in my work for the last 10+ years. It makes my house payments and funds my frequent trips to Asia and America quite well, thanks.

      So how's things working out for you with that promotion to shift manager at Burger King?

    8. Re:Why? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I'm torn, myself---trying to decide whether "Pharoah of Fail" or perhaps "Dauphin of Fail" sounds better.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    9. Re:Why? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Now to truly mock the end user, they expect you to pay for that probe, seriously. Invade your privacy at your cost, not just the software but also computer processing time and network bandwidth, charging you to invade your privacy.

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    10. Re: Why? by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online

      Get-AppXPackage | Remove-AppxPackage

      Two PowerShell commands = no more Metro apps at all. Unfortunately, it takes more precision to avoid removing the calculator app, but if you can live without it, removing everything is indeed possible.

      As for Cortana, my procedure to shut her up is to go to task manager, right click the Cortana process, click "open file location", go up a level in the file system...and deny all file permissions to the system accounts to the entire folder. The system can't access the file, so no respawning process.

    11. Re:Why? by DogDude · · Score: 1

      ...and, you helped make the parent poster's point by posting nothing of value.

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      I don't respond to AC's.
    12. Re:Why? by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Pot Kettle Black.

      Since when did slashdot posts have value?

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      Waterfox - a Firefox fork with legacy extension support, security updates and better privacy by default.
    13. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. I have never once used Windows for anything at home since 1994. I went through the dialup compuserve era with linux. The html blink tag made my cathode ray monitor give off weird clicks until the late 90s, again using linux. I got most of my porn from USEnet .. on linux. To this day I have no use for Windows. Everything I want to do I can do with linux .. and if I want to play videogames .. I got a ps/3 for that .. somewhere. I don't give a shit about Microsoft, not a dime of my money is invested in MSFT. While on the subject of investment, I am most heavily invested in linux and other open source software, this is how I make my living and again Microsoft does not participate in that at all. If Microsoft went bottom up legs in the air tomorrow I would immensely benefit.

    14. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the anniversary update they blocked a lot more apps than cortana from being uninstallable using powershell.

  8. Pushing Linux Subsystem for Windows to GA? by ndykman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's still marked as a beta right now. Hope they push hard and get into general availability this year. It's useful. Running unmodified console mode apps from the Ubuntu user space is a useful thing.

    1. Re:Pushing Linux Subsystem for Windows to GA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd prefer the other way around.

    2. Re: Pushing Linux Subsystem for Windows to GA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't expect it until redstone 2

    3. Re:Pushing Linux Subsystem for Windows to GA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still marked as a beta right now. Hope they push hard and get into general availability this year. It's useful. Running unmodified console mode apps from the Ubuntu user space is a useful thing.

      why bother messing with buggy beta software when you can load up virtual box or vmware and have a smooth bug-free experience? both products are mature and totally usable. virtualbox is free for the stripped down version and it's quite useful even so. also you are not limited to ubuntu, you can also run RHEL or SUSE or even BSD if that is what you want. and you don't have to wait for microsoft

    4. Re:Pushing Linux Subsystem for Windows to GA? by knorthern+knight · · Score: 2

      > It's still marked as a beta right now. Hope they push hard and get
      > into general availability this year. It's useful. Running unmodified
      > console mode apps from the Ubuntu user space is a useful thing.

      Have a look at Cygwin. http://cygwin.com/ It's a free linux environment running under Windows. It's published by Redhat, who know a thing or two about linux. And not just console apps, it's got X and the associated graphical appslications.

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      I'm not repeating myself
      I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
    5. Re:Pushing Linux Subsystem for Windows to GA? by ndykman · · Score: 1

      Already use it, have for years, but the number of the ports varies and often lag behind in versioning. Certain tools work better than others overall. Not Cygwin's fault, they have to try and emulate certain semantics via Win32 in user space, and some calls, permissions, etc. just don't work quite right. (fork is an excellent example). But, this is because it is exceptionally hard to do. I am extremely grateful to Corinna Vinschen and her team for the tireless work she has done for countless years to bring a usable Unix like command line to Windows. She's was tirelss in tracking NT kernel semantics and the Win32 user space. But, a proper kernel subsystem brings it to another level and that is the better overall approach. And this time, Microsoft is working with good partners to get things working. But, I expect Cygwin (and MSYS) to have a role for quite some time to come.

    6. Re:Pushing Linux Subsystem for Windows to GA? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Well for me virtualization on my Windows 10 machine isn't an option.

      I haven't bothered to vmware it but Virtualbox assumes certain processor extensions that aren't found in my 7yo laptop's Intel CPU. Attempting to run Linux gave a weird kernel panic on boot.

      [For 99% of computing tasks I'd be happy enough on Linux but am currently running Windows 10 on this old laptop because hot-plugging displays via usb (displaylink) isn't as seamless.]

    7. Re:Pushing Linux Subsystem for Windows to GA? by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Have a look at Cygwin. http://cygwin.com/ It's a free linux environment running under Windows. It's published by Redhat, who know a thing or two about linux. And not just console apps, it's got X and the associated graphical appslications.

      Cygwin and the Linux Subsystem are completely different entities. Cygwin is an attempt to implement the POSIX API on the Win32 API set. Most applications will compile just fine under this emulated environment, and the applications are regular Win32 applications as far as Windows is concerned. The shell has been modified so it will append ".exe" when launching an image if it wasn't specified (because you can't do "ls" as it will fail (file not found), but "ls.exe" will succeed) These binaries are stnadard WinPE style binaries.

      The Linux Subsystem is more akin to the FreeBSD Linux API layer - it runs Linux binaries unmodified, so the NTOSKRNL will natively load an ELF image, emulates the LInux syscall interface and provides all the necessary calls to make it appear you're running on Linux.

      It's why Windows 10 can load Ubuntu 14.04 userspace - it's not a recompiled for Windows set of binaries, but everything that ships in Ubuntu 14.04 minus the Linux kernel.

    8. Re:Pushing Linux Subsystem for Windows to GA? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Most of us know about Cygwin. To be honest, after trying both, I have to say they have different strengths and weaknesses. Cygwin is better integrated with Windows - it's essentially a Unix-like library implemented over Win32, which tries to translate Windows conventions rather than reimplement them - but "Bash on Ubuntu on Windows" (as it's called in the Start menu(!)) is a much cleaner, Unix-like, environment. Alas, while you can access Windows files via BoUoW, you have little or no other integration. You can't see Windows processes, for example, you can't launch Windows executables, or anything like that.

      I suspect a good portion of the "Reluctantly using Windows" community will end up having both installed.

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    9. Re:Pushing Linux Subsystem for Windows to GA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Running unmodified console mode apps from the Ubuntu user space is a useful thing.

      Why not just run console mode apps IN Ubuntu and just say screw it to MS? More stable and less headaches. If ya really need Windows for something run it in a VM.

  9. Can't wait for the new Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the new tracking software, if there's one thing I don't get enough of it's Ads! Hopefully they'll just put them on the desktop background and remove the problems of too much choice Windows users have when setting desktop backgrounds.

  10. Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One for each orifice. (female users will be addressed in a separate update)

  11. How about my needs? by Snotnose · · Score: 0

    Windows 10 has multiple release tracks to address the needs of its various customer types

    My needs are A) be stable (bzzzt!); and B) don't spy on me (bzzzt! bzzzt! bzzzt!)

    1. Re:How about my needs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's free, so you no longer provide MS with money. Your needs don't count.

    2. Re:How about my needs? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Win32 direct to the user is the issue from the distant past that can soon be fixed.
      Stability will be enforced when all apps are developed via and can only be signed for from a big bright new Shopping gui.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:How about my needs? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I was really interested in your comment, but you seem to have a word....

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      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    4. Re:How about my needs? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      "UWP first step towards "locking down the consumer PC ecosystem," (3/5/2016) (Universal Windows Platform)
      http://arstechnica.com/gaming/...

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  12. Because more updates for mobile crap is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    exactly what I don't need.
    I held off of upgrading to W10 with the expectation that they would fix the weird parts of the UI, and do something about the intrusive behavior of the OS, forced updates, and so on.

    It seems the next time I install an OS for my desktop, it will have to be W7 again, or Linux.

  13. Re:Microsoft propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am sick and tired of the Microsoft propaganda that gets published here on a regular basis. Anybody know it is possible to set a filter to eliminate such stories from every showing up when accessing Slashdot?

    I wonder if not opening the subject might work for you?

  14. Both steps here... 1 and 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 distrowatch.com and download any linux besides debian, ubuntu, redhat, and fedora

    2 format c:\

    done.

    1. Re:Both steps here... 1 and 2 by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Why is Debian in that list? Also--Redhat and Fedora, but not CentOS?

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      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    2. Re:Both steps here... 1 and 2 by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Wrong, you only install Linux and tell it to overwrite what's there. FORMAT C: is totally redundant.

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      Ahhh...the great dumpster continuum. Many a free computer will be found there. -- sowth (748135)
  15. fragmentation by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    trying to understand that summary, can we complain about fragmentation with the various distros of windows yet?

  16. Is slashdot now payed for Microsoft ADs ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This story is nothing but SPAM, nobody is interested in MS propaganda, and slashdot just became their mouthpiece..
    Please stop or your some of your audience will leave.

    1. Re:Is slashdot now payed for Microsoft ADs ? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't use Windows at all, and I'm still interested in what MS are doing/saying. They're, you know, a major player in the industry and stuff.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
  17. Microsoft should pay for damage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "we can charge them for the damages on our systems instead."

    Interesting idea. Microsoft should pay for all damage.

  18. My main need would be not being interrupted by blind+biker · · Score: 2

    Aside the privacy-invading features of Windows 10, what positively peeves me off and is actually the main reason I will never use Windows 10, is that it reboots immediately as an update is installed/about to be installed, without any possibility for the user to control this event. Sorry, but I actually do some productive work with my computer, I cannot risk a reboot in the middle of my work.
    Hence I have a host of Windows 7 laptops and desktops stashed away.

    --
    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    1. Re:My main need would be not being interrupted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly enough, one of my coworker's pet peeve is that Windows 7 reboots the computer for updates in the middle of a presentation and, according to him, there was no warning. Windows 10, on the other hand, seems to allow you to schedule when you would like the reboot to occur, or, if it was set to automatic, attempt to schedule the reboot when you are idle. With the anniversary update, I was able to blacklist the period of time where it is not allowed to reboot.

    2. Re:My main need would be not being interrupted by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, one of my coworker's pet peeve is that Windows 7 reboots the computer for updates in the middle of a presentation and, according to him, there was no warning.

      Sounds like horseshit.

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      "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
  19. Two updates? 'Red Pill' and 'Blue Pill'? by sonamchauhan · · Score: 0

    'Blue Pill' empowers your life with the power of Azure. Microsoft agents like Clip...er, Cortana now use technologies like UEFI Secure Boot and the Microsoft Store to guide you and protect you from hacking. You can purchase the ID 'Master chief john 117' as your local PC username (additional fee applies). You can also partake of selected offers from select Microsoft partners presented at select times in your daily workflow (for instance, when Cortana detects you starting blankly at the primary screen. After all, human attention is a terrible thing to waste.)

    'Red Pill' awakens you to the horrible reality -- you've been lying comatose in a Microsoft pod all along; your 'reality' a hallucination crafted on Microsoft servers....

    Hahah! Just kidding - the red pill does no such thing -- its just the blue pill painted red.

    1. Re:Two updates? 'Red Pill' and 'Blue Pill'? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill -- the story ends, you will keep Windows and and believe whatever they want you to believe. You take the red pill -- you will format your HD and I show you how to install Linux.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    2. Re:Two updates? 'Red Pill' and 'Blue Pill'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, Rabbit Hole!

  20. Explaining the Windows 10 branching by Kelerei · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFA mentions Current Branch and Current Branch for Business, without explaining them too much. I doubt that many folks here are aware of them and the differences, so...

    If you're on CB, you get major feature updates (e.g. the Anniversary Edition) pushed to you as soon as it's made generally available. Folks on CBB will still get those updates pushed to them, but a while later (MS says around four months delay), and with all the fixes made in that time.

    Now, if you have the Pro or Enterprise editions (sorry Home users, you guys are stuck on CB only), you can quite easily switch between the two by means of checking (or unchecking) the "Defer upgrades" option that's somewhere in the Windows Update options. Want to live on MS's cutting edge? Leave it off. Want to use those Home peasants as your beta testers? Switch it on.

    Then, there's the LTSB edition of Enterprise, which is basically RTM that just receives security patches and the like (MS will make newer versions available -- I believe there's a 2016 update to LTSB coming later this year -- but, as far as I'm aware, there's no obligation to upgrade to a newer LTSB version, and MS claims that they'll support each version for ~10 years anyway). Because MS doesn't want too many things in this edition to change, things like Edge, Cortana and the Windows Store are stripped out of it. MS's intended usage scenarios for this edition are things like POS machines and the like.

    You can actually compare this to Ubuntu upgrades. If you're on CB, you're like the Ubuntu user who upgrades between point releases as soon as the new one becomes available. If you're on CBB, you're like the Ubuntu user who upgrades between point releases as soon as the old one is about to become unsupported. If you're on LTSB, then you're the Ubuntu user who only ever uses the LTS releases.

    1. Re:Explaining the Windows 10 branching by swb · · Score: 1

      How the hell do you get LTSB edition for Enterprise? Is it a unique SKU or some configuration preference applied to vanilla Enterprise?

      LTSB Enterprise actually seems to be the desirable edition for any business, not just POS terminals. I know of no business customer I work with that has any interest in Cortana and the Windows store or its "apps". I guess I wouldn't put Edge quite in those same categories, since it seems to be just a replacement for IE, which, if MS has managed to kill some of the glaring deficiencies of IE, isn't a bad thing.

      I'll admit that my Win 10 experience has been limited, but I don't find there to be much difference between Enterprise and Pro in terms of general experience. Both are plagued by annoying injections of Cortana and the Store and its Apps.

      I'm continually amazed that the broader economics supports so much forced branching of Windows 10. I guess I can buy into a single Home/non-home branching, with Home oriented towards cheap, pre-installed retail devices and a unified non-home branch oriented towards any business/professional focused device.

      But otherwise I think MS would save big money on support and engineering costs by having a single unified non-home version and that the market wouldn't support so many branches, leaving the investment of their creation not producing the return to justify the cost of creating and supporting it. It seems like the market will solidify on 1-2 releases anyway based on IT familiarity and developer support, much in the way that smartphones seem to only really support two operating systems.

    2. Re:Explaining the Windows 10 branching by Kelerei · · Score: 1

      How the hell do you get LTSB edition for Enterprise? Is it a unique SKU or some configuration preference applied to vanilla Enterprise?

      Volume licensing channels or MSDN. Enterprise and Enterprise LTSB have different SKUs -- you can't reconfigure vanilla Enterprise to act as LTSB (not that I'm aware of, anyway).

    3. Re:Explaining the Windows 10 branching by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      If you upgrade to the pro version you can use the stable CBB business branch and can control when updates are installed aka Windows 7 style. Since many of us slashdotters are IT professionals I HIGHLY recommend the professional edition because of Hyper-V as well. No IT professional doesn't use virtualization these days.

      If your pc came with the HOME OEM you can go system properties and upgrade it to the pro for like $60 which I think is worth it. I use defer updates, but turned it off so I could get anniversary update as an exception :-)

  21. Windows 10 = Microsoft owns you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you run Windows 10 you no longer have any control over your computer. It is no longer yours. It's now just another node in the Microsoft Botnet.

    Programs that cannot be uninstalled. Services that cannot be switched off (or uninstalled). Telemetry that cannot be stopped. BIOS code that tells you what you can load. Cortana that listens to *everything*, and reports *everything*, back to the hive.

    "But I can block it at my router/hosts file". Yeah right. And the next forced update installs another new way of returning the data using another channel.. Try blocking port 80 and see how much fun you can have. No reason all data can't be returned using bog standard HTTP POST/GET.

    "But program X switches the spying off". Yeah right. Of course it does. And the next forced update bypasses program X's defences entirely or silently patches it to neuter it but leaves it in place to allow you the illusion of control.

    If you run Windows 10 "your" computer is now a wholly owned node in the Microsoft botnet. *NO EXCEPTIONS* No fucking arguments..

    The only update Microsoft will give you is (if they're in a good mood) is some lube for your wholly owned anus.

    If you're running Windows 10 you are a totally willing, utterly submissive, little slave chained to the wall in the MS dungeon crying out for "Daddy" to "Please use some lube tie time".

    Windows 10 "users" = Fucking loser faggots.

    You are the sort of people who probably helped build the gas chambers because "it was the only work going and my family needed the money". "I din;t pull the lever's myself"...

    1. Re:Windows 10 = Microsoft owns you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh shit

  22. Leave Ed Bott alone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > A few shills a.k.a. reviewers will manage to find 4 or 5 irrelevant points to discuss for 2 pages, touting them as upgrades.

    The poor wretch has to make a living. Batting his eyelids and wiggling his big fat butt at Microsoft puts food on his table. http://www.extremetech.com/com... http://www.zdnet.com/article/i...

  23. I'm done with Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just got tired of being a beta tester in Windows 10. Seems they just get stuff worked out and along comes another update. More fixes, and more glitches. I finally got fed up and installed Linux. The last straw with Windows 10 came after the Anniversary update deleted my printer, restored default settings, and signed me out of Chrome browser. It also turned back on all live tiles, and restored Edge and Store icon's to taskbar. It seems Microsoft does not respect the user any more.
    Not to mention the updates totally come at the wrong times and you have no options but to accept them. I would advise any user who still has Windows 7 to stick with it as long as you can.

  24. I think Windows 10 is a wonderful and amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Windows 10 is a wonderful and amazing piece of software from Microsoft. It single-handedly unequivocally convinced me to switch everything to Linux and for it I will always be eternally grateful to Microsoft and the most amazing/repellent piece of software ever created! I hope that everybody finds Windows 10 an equally gratifying first-class experience! Thank you Microsoft!

  25. Updates. by pthfdr · · Score: 0

    # scrub -fS -p fillzero /dev/sda
    # fdisk /dev/sda
    # mkfs.jfs /dev/sda1
    And install *nix on it.
    ^D

  26. Re:Microsoft propaganda by nukenerd · · Score: 1

    I am sick and tired of the Microsoft propaganda that gets published here

    Was TFA propaganda? Sorry, I hadn't realised. TFA left me cold, I assumed it was just factual. I didn't rush off to install Windows, sorry.

  27. Don't want it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It still astounds me the number of folks that love the windows... let's see what they get:

    forced updates - whether you want them or not and, more importantly, even if they break stuff
    telemetry that reports your activity and you can't control it (not really)
    a user interface that sucks big time and you can't easily revert to something useful (like the Win2K interface)

    and while they haven't started yet you can bet that sooner or later we'll see MS finding a way to charge folks, but only after they have hooked all the gullible first. ...now let's hear from the fanboys, I'm sure you'll tell me how I have it all wrong.

  28. Codenamed what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Treadstone did he say? Sounds ominous.