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Chicago's Experiment In Predictive Policing Isn't Working (theverge.com)
The U.S. will phase out private prisons, a move made possible by fewer and shorter sentences for drug offenses, reports the BBC. But when it comes to reducing arrests for violent crimes, police officers in Chicago found themselves resorting ineffectively to a $2 million algorithm which ultimately had them visiting people before any crime had been committed. schwit1 quotes Ars Technica: Struggling to reduce its high murder rate, the city of Chicago has become an
incubator for experimental policing techniques. Community policing, stop and frisk, "interruption" tactics --- the city has tried many strategies. Perhaps most controversial and promising has been the city's futuristic "heat list" -- an algorithm-generated list identifying people most likely to be involved in a shooting.
The hope was that the list would allow police to provide social services to people in danger, while also preventing likely shooters from picking up a gun. But a new report from the RAND Corporation shows nothing of the sort has happened. Instead, it indicates that the list is, at best, not even as effective as a most wanted list. At worst, it unnecessarily targets people for police attention, creating a new form of profiling.
The police argue they've updated the algorithm and improved their techniques for using it. But the article notes that the researchers began following the "heat list" when it launched in 2013, and "found that the program has saved no lives at all."
The hope was that the list would allow police to provide social services to people in danger, while also preventing likely shooters from picking up a gun. But a new report from the RAND Corporation shows nothing of the sort has happened. Instead, it indicates that the list is, at best, not even as effective as a most wanted list. At worst, it unnecessarily targets people for police attention, creating a new form of profiling.
The police argue they've updated the algorithm and improved their techniques for using it. But the article notes that the researchers began following the "heat list" when it launched in 2013, and "found that the program has saved no lives at all."
Sounds like something out of Minority Report. That incidentally backfired too.
We've finally arrived. Did you bring your coat?
Maybe the enterprise of saving lives shouldn't be put entirely on the police? Obviously they have a role to play, but when we are talking about prevention, other institutions also have a huge role to play.
For example, many killings are the result of mental health problems that are going untreated. Part of the problem there is that the necessary care can be expensive. So....let's do something about that. What does the government-funded health care landscape look like these days? And what about educational grants (NOT LOANS) for mental health practitioners?
There is also still a strong social stigma against seeking mental health. Nobody is embarrassed to say something like "My arm was broke so I went to see the doctor," but the moment someone utters the phrase "mental health" everyone thinks of him as crazy, weak, and pathetic. This is ridiculous, and we need to put more social engineering to the task of fixing that (for example, a lot more television and movies can include scenes and dialogue implicating that the popular characters are seeing mental health professionals...and the attitude is that this is just a given that normal people do this sort of thing on a routine basis).
There are, of course, also economic motivators for murder. If poor people are being driven to these extremes by poverty, then why isn't one of the richest countries in the world doing something to address that? Why do we continue to abide the existence of charities that spend nearly all the donated money on their own staff and get no effective results? Why aren't we making more use of proven-effective programs like microlending?
There is quite a lot that can be done, and the police can't be left alone to do it all.
The failed experiment, called Chicago, just doesn't work. We have all known that for decades
Having more real cops on the streets would be best. I know that the ghetto is the last place Chicago cops want to be. But, that's where most of their murders take place. To curtail murders requires more than a computer program that does nothing actually predictive, only data mining.
Enforce the laws on minor crimes, and major crimes go down. You don't have to be a hardass, or pick on anyone in particular, just enforce the common, everyday laws that help keep things working.
We know this works.
When people notice that nobody is enforcing the little stuff, they start assuming that they can get away with the larger crimes - and they're usually right.
The problem is that, after a few years of it working, everyone relaxes and thinks "hey, crime is down, we can slack off a bit," and it's okay, for a while. Then things start slowly getting worse again, and the "corrective measures" tend to be away from the policies that were in force a few years before, because "they stopped working."
The algorithm is some random picking in the felon list!
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Perhaps the police in Chicago are simply unsuited to protecting people from gun-toting criminals, and they should allow law-abiding citizens to do it themselves.
The problem with predicting where to go to stop crimes is that many of the crimes in Chicago are gang related, instead of property related. Houses to be robbed don't move, but rival gang members can be found anywhere. Predictive algorithms assume fixed targets.
If there was a real crackdown on Gangs, crime would decrease for a while, but I think that too many bribes are preventing that from happening. It would be far better to legalize drugs, defunding the gangs.
Of course, as a privileged white male from the suburbs, I could be wrong.
So, I rob a gun shop in the next State, in the sure knowledge that the Chicago PD will act as my fence? Yah, that's a good idea.
Note, by the by, that many places in the USA (basically all of them, since Chicago has one of the worst crime problems in the USA, and some of the most restrictive gun laws) get by just fine without worrying so much about guns in private hands.
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You need three and not only one to predict crimes.That way the two can overrule the one that is wrong. Everybody knows that. They even turned the manual into a documentary.
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"Chicago's Experiment In Predictive Policing Isn't Working"
Oh, so predicting the future doesn't work?
Damn, who could have guessed that prophesying is a tricky business? Who could have foreseen that? :)
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How is that possible - if 50% of all crimes are committed by black people, less than 50% remains for each of the dozen or so other ethnic minority groups or whites in the US. Additionally 100%? Look at a map of convicted sex offenders and they're pretty evenly spread between black, white, Hispanic and other neighborhoods. Sex offenses are pretty evenly spread across populations because pretty much all men are attracted to pubescent females, it's a rather primitive reflex.
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Is corruption and cutting politics! The entire state is F*cked! Glad I moved!
Gun buyback programs have been tried for years. Is there any statistical evidence that they work? I haven't seen any and I doubt it. These buyback programs just give thieves more cause to break into houses looking for guns to steal.
If you want to reduce the gun violence you have to get rid of the drug dealers and gangs. Good luck with that when inner city young men see those as the only options to get ahead, and we allow both types to come freely across our southern border to spread their control.
The only problems with guns are Democrats. See Texas bitch.
Stop lying, although I know you find that hard.
http://www.sarsonline.org/resources-stats/reports-laws-statics
52% of rapists are white, 83.5% of the population is white. .62 for whites, 2.9 for non whites)
Therefore non whites are over 4.5 times as likely to be a rapist.
(the normalised numbers are
That is on top of the estimates that rape is estimated over 5 TIMES less likely to be reported in non white communities.
None of which is good, but those are the facts.
All rape is bad, very very bad. Misusing statistics to focus on the wrong people is just as bad - you are disrespecting
the victims by trying to use their suffering for your own political purposes.
It is simply not possible to know whether this technique is working or not. This is an alternative histories problem, and you have to choose between a bunch of flawed options to detect effectiveness. Each option is so flawed as to render the certainty suggested by the headline inappropriate.
Perhaps the police should increase the surveillance of the areas pointed out by the heat maps to increase the conviction rate at least. Police should also involve themselves in the community events in those areas to increase the trust of the people, and make sure their act on the tips and calls coming from those areas very well. Serve and protect, serve and protect.
we shouldn't consider them a legitimate police force.
From a European point of view, from someone who has no idea what the local laws are in Chicago, it sounds like you're encouraging allowing vigilante justice.
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Predictions about predictions about crime
Predictive policing isn't working? -- no one would have seen that coming!
sometimes the innocent do get caught up in the gun fights
Teach marksmanship in high school.
Have gnu, will travel.
Another study vindicating "boots on the ground", and that does not mean "boots in patrol car".
https://www.theguardian.com/us...
Mostly what you get with gun buyback programs are non functional antiques or stuff from people who unintentionally became gun owners, such as through inheritance, and lack knowledge of how to more profitably dispose of the weapons by selling them to a dealer.
The cops where i live did a gun buyback last year. Set up a huge parking lot with tents and traffic control points and all that. It was virtually empty all day. Made me smile to see guns NOT being destroyed unnecessarily.
Until, that is, I watched the news touting what a 'success' it was, with tight camera shots deliberately not showing the wide open spaces and most people standing around with nothing to do. Propaganda is strong in this allegedly free society.
they should allow law-abiding citizens to do it themselves
I support the right of people to bear arms. That said; most of the violence in Chicago is gang vs gang. And from their point of view, they are protecting their neighborhood or favorite dealing street corner from their rivals. Things that they value as much as you value your family and home. It's a culture thing, and until you can change that and give these people something worthwhile (in our eyes) to defend, things will keep going on as they are.
Have gnu, will travel.
The local laws in Chicago are some of the most restrictive in the USA. Basically, it reduces to "no guns for you unless you're politically connected".
And yet, the bad guys still seem to get guns with no real issues. Perhaps because if you're a criminal, you see nothing particularly wrong with breaking the gun laws, but who knows?
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I am disgusted by the US media that they have not picked up this story. It's an absolute disgrace, both by the police and the media.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Maybe One of the pre-cogs decided to leave the milk bath?
I can see by your excellent writing skills, that you my good sir, must have an extremely high IQ. Reading such well written and insightful thoughts makes me feel proud to say fuck Hitler and his tiny pecker followers. White flower. Lulz
Because you're assuming, incorrectly, that blacks commit 50% of all crimes.
Further, I didn't say sex offenders, I said child molesters and child rapists. They are almost all exclusively white.
Keep trying to twist reality to fit your warped views all you want, it won't happen.
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Zero surprise here.
Fact - every other county in the word that has reasonable gun laws to restrict them to those have actually have a need or use for them - gun related incidents are much much lower.
The loophole in the US constitution - the right to bear arms is from a time when the US was poor and didn't really have a military , it was a new lawless frontier that wants to keep pesky old Britain out. Yes that makes sense, let the people who choose to be here defend it.
Today it makes no sense to have this, it serves no use other than to line the pockets of gun makers - they stand to lose the most if there was some real reform in US gun laws, and they'll keep paying anyone off to not have it changed and promote this ideology to the people of the US that they all need to have guns.
Yep, thats not remotely true.
Or maybe we can just admit that these are subhuman cultures and stop expecting civilized behavior from animals. And no, this has nothing to do with race regardless of if a large portion of a particular race is part of the problem.
None of which is good, but those are the facts.
I generally agree with your post and share a dislike for misinterpreted statistic. However I think It's also important to understand that the raw data itself however empirical is quite fallible and cannot be trusted as hard evidence, the gathering of raw data is often as mistreated as the analysis. So referring to them as "facts" (perhaps not what you really meant) borders on 2nd order ignorance in my mind, they are indicators that even after correct analysis are open to interpretation and should be weighted based on the source of data.
The summary leaves out some important information that would tend to blunt the hyperbole it's trying to drive home. From the article:
It stressed that RAND "evaluated a very early version" of the list, "which has since evolved greatly and has been fully integrated with the Department’s management accountability process." It also points out that "the prediction model discussed in the report is the very early, initial model (Version 1), developed in August, 2012. We are now using Version 5, which is significantly improved."
A failing grade on the performance of a four-year-old version of the software, (and a four-year-old set of policies and procedures for using same), is hardly a reason to get all hot 'n' bothered, when what really matters is how the program is working today. It's news, and it may be significant, but it tells us nothing about the current effectiveness of the program in question. There are valid moral, ethical, and possibly legal issues around whether such a program should even exist, and whether the police are the right ones to be managing it - but that conversation shouldn't take place in the context of a FUD-driven summary of an article based largely on very stale data.
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Aww, butthurt much? Don't like reality slapping you in the face?
Deal with it.
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52% of rapists are white
No. 52% of convicted rapists may be white, but conviction rates vary widely by race even for the same crimes. A white teenage date-rapist is much more likely to "get away with it" than a black guy.
83.5% of the population is white.
Wrong. Whites are about 72% of the population. This isn't 1960.
None of which is good, but those are the facts.
Yup. Other than being wildly inaccurate and misleading, those are indeed the "facts".
The policy could theoretically work if Chicago could keep people from driving to Hammond and Gary and buying firearms. They can't so it's probably doing more harm than good.
This kind of primitive, nonsensical outburst of illogical rage is exactly why Americans shouldn't be allowed to have firearms at all. :-)
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a move made possible by fewer and shorter sentences for drug offenses,
The linked article does mention reduced sentences for drug related crimes. But it also makes it clear that drug related crime is a very minor factor in the decision to get away from private prisons.
you have proof of your assertion about white vs. black teen date-rapists.
Black ELEMENTARY school kids have a slang about "talking a girl into the bushes", taking her somewhere for molesting and/or rape out of view of the teachers.
Maybe black rape is more prevalent and at earlier age....
And now we see that the noshellswill was right. ... ...
Mister black coward had nothing more than a rant about writing skills and a fancy for a white flower
No statistics or scientific fact to give to counter the noshellswill facts
Split the city in half along Congress. Give the southern half a new name. Chicago's homicide rate will plummet.
Only it puts people in cuffs instead of launching nukes
As an added bonus, then the US will do better in biathlon next olympics.
So you like to make up lies to promote racism? There's a special place in hell for shitbags like you.
Oh, I see, you're a little liberal shitbag. I should have known. You fucks are racists through and through.
And now we see what total fucking morons support noshellswill. He presents no facts, just a load of racist bigotry, then whines when his bullshit is called.
What about people that steal guns from their elderly neighbor? Are we going to have my tax money going toward buying that gun too? How is that not creating an incentive for more crime? This "kid", is he over 18 years old? If not then it is illegal for this "kid" to possess the gun without adult supervision. Does this "kid", assuming he lives in Illinois or state with similar gun laws, have a Firearm Owners Identification Card? How is this "kid" going to carry the gun to the taxpayer funded compensated confiscation program? Does this "kid" have a concealed carry license? Perhaps the "kid" will carry the gun in a clear zip-lock bag in their hand, so it is not concealed but everyone he passes on the street is going to see this gun. Maybe this "kid" will get beat up and robbed for the gun by another "kid" so he can cash in on the deal, or worse.
I believe that you did not think this through.
It's not a total solution but will reduce the number of people getting shot which will give victims of violence a better chance at survival and more importantly, reporting their attackers.
I have to wonder if you've been brainwashed by Mom's Demand Action on Gun Violence or you've not taken your meds this morning. Perhaps you took one pill, or toke, too much.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
My sister and her husband live in Illinois and they went out of state to buy a firearm, not Indiana but Iowa. They had to provide ID, submit to a background check, and wait 24 hours for delivery as required by Illinois law because they are legally Illinois residents. Going out of state does not allow a person to bypass federal law, or even many state laws.
The firearm they purchased had to meet the laws of Illinois on how they define an "assault weapon". I don't know what would happen if they tried to buy something illegal to own in Illinois as an Illinois resident. I have a suspicion that the gun dealers would not sell them because the BATFE frowns upon people that try to bypass state laws, and if a dealer makes the BATFE unhappy then the BATFE makes the dealer unhappy. The levels of "unhappy" the BATFE can bring on a licensed dealer can range from a warning, probation, fines, revocation of their license, all the way up to many many years in federal prison.
If these people are leaving the state to buy from an unlicensed dealer then they are idiots, because unlicensed dealers are by definition breaking the law and they don't need to leave the state to find those people.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
Percentage of total child abusers:
White 51%
African American 25%
Hispanic 15%
American Indian/Alaska Natives 2%
Asian/Pacific Islanders 1%
Yeah, exclusively a white problem. Again, fits the demographic and other criminal curves.
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you have proof of your assertion about white vs. black teen date-rapists.
There is no such thing as "proof" in the social sciences, but if you want evidence, then you can start here and follow the links. Blacks are discriminated against at every step of the process: they are more likely than whites to be arrested for comparable crimes, they are more likely to be prosecuted, and once convicted, they receive harsher sentences.
Maybe black rape is more prevalent and at earlier age....
Or maybe it isn't. You have provided no evidence either way.
Every mayor of that city since 1931 has been a Democrat, with the only apparent exception being the time when Daley (a Democrat elected as a Democrat) ran for re-election in several elections that were held without party labels.
Same thing for nearly every other big debt-laden and crime-ridden city with large poor minority ghettos. All run for many decades by left wing politicians using left wing policies to deliver utopia:
Detroit elected its last Republican mayor in 1957.
Newark last had a Republican mayor about a century ago.
Baltimore has been run by Democrats since the 1960s.
Philadelphia has been run by Democrats since 1952.
Oakland has been run by Democrats since the 1960s.
St. Louis has been run by Democrats since 1949.
Cincinnati has been run by Democrats since 1984.
Milwaukee has been run by Democrats since 1908.
Buffalo has been run by Democrats since 1965.
El Paso and Miami have never been run by Republicans
Los Angeles has had only 1 Republican mayor in the past 54 years.
New York city was a complete mess after decades of Democrats, then elected Rudy Giuliani who cleaned the place up during his 6 years and was then term-limited out and replaced by faux-Republican/faux-Democrat/faux-Independent (let's face it: he is his own party) Bloomberg, who then passed the baton to Democrat de Blasio
What's that old saying that's often attributed to Einstein? Oh, yeah: Insanity is defined by doing the same things over and over and expecting different results.
It's the guarantor of all the others.
The founders of the nation were very explicit in their other writings: They intended all the adult males in the country to be armed with weapons equal to those of the most powerful army on Earth. This was to perform several functions [a] be a check on government, which would be afraid to oppress its own people, [b] deter any foreign army thinking it could ever invade, and [c] eliminate the justification for a permanent "standing army", which history shows is almost always eventually turned against its own people at some point by a tyrannical leader.
They werew not concerned with the idea that civilians would go on kiling sprees murdering each other with those guns, because the American people of the time were overwhelmingly Christian (12 colonies were OFFICIALLY Protestant Christian, and one was officially Catholic). There just were no mass murders to worry about in the civilian population.
Our founders NEVER justified the second amendment by claiming it was for hobbyists collecting guns, or skeet shooting, or hunting.
Our founders DID understand automation. Many were inventors and entrepreneurs and some of the rifles used in the revolution were manufactured in the US using early automated processes. They also approved of citizens having CANONS (actual field/naval artillery) and explosives. Many of the rifles the American civilians had at the time of the revolution were superior to the models which were provided to their troops by the British army.
This constant propaganda effort to de-legitimize the 2nd Amendment is an effort Goebbels (of big lie, told often, fame) would be proud of - it's completely anti-historical and shows an amazing ignorance of the Constitution and its authors.
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson
"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them." - George Mason
"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adamas
"I pray Heaven to bestow the best of blessings on this house and all that shall hereafter inhabit it. May none but honest and wise men ever rule under this roof." - John Adamas (on the White House)
"Posterity![that's us] you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it." - John Adamas
I think that the chicago PD is not really as stupid as accepting a truckload of brand new guns without asking some questions, Beside. This is easely fix with asking the gun owner is ID and address to send the check, then checking the guns serials for theft.
Police will never reduce violence in a community, local authorities need to put in place policies that support families and the local community and spend their money on developing healthy communities not on policing.
If you'd like to say reality slapping someone in the face wouldn't it at least be prudent to supply any sort of citation? So far you're no better than the OP for providing proof of your assertion.
Actually, please don't assume that the stuff you read from the lower echelons of the US represent the country as a gestalt.
I'll give a good example of what the US is really like. I live in one of the most populated cities in Texas. Other than uniformed police or security, I have yet to see a single person carrying openly since it was made legal this year. I have lived in the city all my life, and have yet to actually remember hearing a gunshot fired in anger. I've heard gunshots and plenty of them at ranges, but have never seen/heard crossfire. Hell, I've yet to even see a brass casing or a spent shotgun shell, even in the "worst" neighborhoods.
This doesn't mean crime doesn't happen... but realistically, the police do a very good job at catching the bad guys. It isn't a lawless, Wild-West society where you are going to get mowed down by some drunk shooting a Bushmaster with a 100 round mag [1]. Americans as a whole know the difference between a German citizen and a member of the National Socialist Party, so don't assume the dumbest tier of people in the US speak/write for the entire country.
There are areas of the US where crime is high, and it comes from history, mismanagement, and political corruption. However, there are many, many more cities in the US that are just as safe as European cities.
The problem is that people don't report on the cities where one can wander around on a Saturday night at 2:00 AM without issue. They report on the places that are pieces of crap due to political reasons.
[1]: Those 100 round double-drum mags are a perfect Darwin test. Realistically, if the two springs don't 100% match each other in tension, the magazine will jam... or the mag will jam just because it feels like it.
Does anyone have the statistics on corporate and other "white collar" crime? I hypothesise that the racial (and gender!) disparity is even more marked there.
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Seriously? No, you creeper, not all dudes are into that. Guessing you are not great at interacting with women your own age so you look for easier targets that you can impress. And you are probably one of those that hate all women and think they're evil. If none are into you, take the hint from natural selection, so sorry, there's something wrong with you and you shouldn't reproduce.
So basically, we have empirical evidence that profiling doesn't work because bias rarely correlates with expectation.
So we decided we'd get the software to do it for us, because software doesn't bias amirite? Also it's not profiling if a computer does it, amirite?
File this under "inventions that promise to do my job for me but never actually do anything".
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I am disgusted by the US media that they have not picked up this story. It's an absolute disgrace, both by the police and the media.
It's all by design.
Why are you surprised?
Chicago, the home of President Obama, is controlled by Democrats.
Chicago, along with Illinois, have been controlled by Democrats for decades.
The Democrats #1 concern is saving public section pensions.
Do you want the violent crime to stop in Chicago?
Then take a play from the activist playbook; boycott Chicago
Don't work for a tech firm in Chicago
Don't attend conferences in Chicago
Stay out of Chicago
Boycott Chicago until the violence stops
It's done for all other social agendas
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I think this is either false or just really misleading:
>The U.S. will phase out private prisons...
The only part of the US that will phase out private prisons (if I understand correctly) is the federal government, which manages only a small minority of the prisons in the country, housing only a small minority of prisoners. The bulk of prisoners are incarcerated in state-run prisons, which are still free to use private prison corporations.
Guns have serial numbers. Selling a cop a stolen gun seems like a great way to go to jail.
Brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.
Percentage of total child abusers: ...
The term "child abuser" isn't a term I usually associate with crime reporting data. A citation would be nice here; otherwise we will have to assume it's an emotional appeal form one of those "Non-profit advocacy groups" with an 85% overhead.
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Your going to take a known violent individual (due to prior arrests) who probably isn't a big fan of the police and also is currently minding their own business, send the cops and social worker to talk to them about potentially committing a crime, and expect this to go well? Yeah, thats a happy day for that individual. A real community building experience "Hi, I just wanted to knock on your door, waste your time, and scare you to talk about the crime you never committed... "
Do you want to incite people to violence? Because this is how you incite people to violence.
We had this in school too. It was considered better to go into the bush to have sex than it was to just have sex in the hall, less likely to get caught...
You want to reduce murder? Let everybody enforce their 2nd Amendment. Period. Look down south for instructions...
I find it funny how some people blame Chicago's violence problems on other cities with more lax laws. The interesting thing is how other cities with more guns generally have LESS CRIME.
So, we have two cities: one with high crime, and one with low crime. Obviously, the solution is to take the laws of the failing city and force those on the city that is doing OK. Yeah, right. This is like taking a test and cheating off of the dumbest kid in the class. If I were running a business, I would want to take business advice from the company that is making money, not the one that is going bankrupt. However, this is exactly what people want when they say that the problem with Chicago is that their laws are not nation-wide.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
No the principal is if everyone is able to defend themselves, up to and including deadly force if necessary, violent criminals would be more wary of plying their trade. Years ago Miami Florida was known as the murder capital of the US, as a result Florida loosened their concealed weapons laws and crime went down considerably. It got to the point where the majority of people being robbed were people driving rental cars, the criminals knew that tourist who flew into Florida would be unarmed. Even now rental cars in Florida don't have decals of the rental company on them to protect the renters.
The State has been allowed the prosecutorial prerogative, but that doesn't prohibit the individual's right to self-defense, and asserting the right to self-defense doesn't prohibit prosecution by the State.
The basic problem is too many people have too little value for human life and too little respect for others. Even during the "Wild West" days, the professional gun slingers were less promiscuous with gun play.
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You should look up gun-related deaths per capita in the US and in various European countries, then try to apply your logic again. :-)
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I am disgusted by the US media that they have not picked up this story. It's an absolute disgrace, both by the police and the media.
Well Obama's Friend and former Administration member, Rom Emanuel, is mayor so It's unlikely either He or Hillary are too anxious for a lot of press on this.
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Didn't you notice OP's "no questions asked"?
If the police are going to run serial numbers, that's going to convince people not to sell their guns to the cops. Which means it'll work like most "gun buy-backs" - they get a lot of crap (like a WW1-era rifle) instead of the guns they want to get (the ones the gang-bangers are using).
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Another example of VERY flawed logic.
Suppose that I had a relative who was killed by a red car. I go on a crusade saying that all red cars are dangerous and get the laws changed -- red cars are now illegal. After 10 years, the number of red-car-involved deaths effectively drops to zero. So, I can now claim success and that taking red cars off of the streets has made the streets safer.
My forcing murderers to use different tools does not make them stop being murderers.
Other countries also have different amounts of racial diversity, different languages, different economies, different mental health care systems, and different languages. Clearly we can ignore all of those other differences and only focus on the one difference that proves your point.
I could play the same game. In Japan there are not privately-owned guns, and they have a LOT more suicides. If Japan had more guns, their suicide rate would go down. See how that works?
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
I see no evidence or stats there regarding teenage date-rape frequency.
Let's just say you made nonsense up without any basis in fact.
In seven weeks he has been president of the Philippines 500,000 drug users and dealers have turned themselves in. Sure 500 criminals resisted and therefore died. But he is really the best thing for crime anywhere.
Before you get too involved in the algorithm's performance, it helps to get a handle on the numbers. This look at the numbers is equal parts morbid, funny and sad. http://heyjackass.com/
As long as you're not including things like "jaywalking" or smaller traffic violations in those crimes unless they show a clear pattern.
Now stopping people who are just getting into petty theft, drug crimes, petty violence etc is probably a good idea. At the same time though, giving the early offenders means and motivation to straighten their shit out before they become big offenders is probably a good idea.
By the same token, seizing the car of some rich shit who doesn't give a f*** about those parking/speeding tickets he's been accumulating might help prevent him from killing somebody in a vehicular homicide later on, while ticketing the shit out of a poorer person isn't going to help things at all.
Bull.
Chicago does not have one of the worst crime problems in the country, regardless of you idiots constantly trying to push that myth.
Most years it not even the top 20 let alone top 10.
Cities with higher homicide rates than Chicago in 2014
All numbers represent homicides per 100,000 people.
St. Louis, MO 49.9
Detroit, MI 43.5
New Orleans, LA 38.7
Jackson, MS 35.4
Baltimore City, MD 33.8
Newark, NJ 33.3
Birmingham , AL 24.5
Buffalo, NY 23.2
Baton Rouge, LA 23.1
Pittsburgh, PA 22.4
North Charleston, SC 21.8
Little Rock, AR 21.7
Memphis, TN 21.4
Atlanta, GA 20.5
Cincinnati, OH 20.2
San Bernardino, CA 20.0
Oakland, CA 19.5
Miami, FL 19.2
Richmond, VA 18.9
Dayton, OH 18.9
Inglewood, CA 17.9
Montgomery, AL 17.5
South Bend, IN 16.9
Kansas City, KS 16.8
Kansas City, MO 16.7
Paterson, NJ 16.4
Stockton, CA 16.4
Cleveland, OH 16.2
Washington, DC 15.9
Philadelphia, PA 15.9
Wilmington, NC 15.9
Indianapolis, IN 15.8
Chattanooga, TN 15.5
Hartford, CT 15.2
Chicago, IL 15.1
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Note that I did not use the phrase "gun homicide rate" in descrbing Chicago. There's a reason for that.
Note also that "gun homicide rate" and "crime rate" are not synonymous.
Note, finally, that the 15.1/100K you mention is well over twice the national average....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Except that the majority of child molesters are actually women.
Says the person making claims that have never been backed by any evidence.