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Pokemon Go Daily Active Users, Downloads, Engagement Are Dropping (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader writes:Pokemon Go is starting to lose the battle for mobile mindshare, according to Axiom Capital Management. As such, investors and executives at Facebook Inc., Instagram, Tinder (Match Group Inc.), Twitter Inc., and Snapchat can breathe a sigh of relief, says Senior Analyst Victor Anthony. "Given the rapid rise in usage of the Pokemon Go app since the launch in July, investors have been concerned that this new user experience has been detracting from time spent on other mobile focused apps," he writes. Enthusiasm about the potential for Pokemon Go (and augmented reality gaming in general) to improve Nintendo Co Ltd.'s financial performance sent shares parabolic after the app launched in the U.S., and even spurred rallies in secondary plays linked to the success of the game. Data from Sensor Tower, SurveyMonkey, and Apptopia, however, show that Pokemon Go's daily active users, downloads, engagement, and time spent on the app per day are all well off their peaks and on a downward trend.

194 comments

  1. No Shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So a fad didn't last, huh? Go figure.

    1. Re:No Shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's dropping because:
      a) Many people cheated and thus have no reason to play it anymore, Nintendo has since broken the cheats.
      b) It was released during summer when kids are out of school.

      Come September, the kids will be back in school and not wandering around downtown cores looking for Pokemon.

      That said, there are quite a few yet-unreleased Pokemon, so the game will have staying power for a while. I've walked past the spot that everyone hangs out locally and there are still 50 or so people hanging around when it probably peaked at about 300.

    2. Re:No Shit. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Breaking the cheat is the reason people are quitting.

      The game is a massive tredmill. There is no way that someone with little time can be competative except for bots. Unless you live in NYC or someplace similar you can't get enough pokeballs to play without paying a fortune buying them from the store.

      Configuring and tweaking bots was far more fun than the game.

    3. Re:No Shit. by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      >> There is no way that someone with little time can be competative except for bots.

      This, and the only real"battling" in the game is Gym Battles currently, and those are dull even if you do have a built-up team....

    4. Re:No Shit. by jandrese · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also, they just banned a huge number of bot accounts. That's gotta hurt the active user numbers.

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    5. Re:No Shit. by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Also, they just banned a huge number of bot accounts. That's gotta hurt the active user numbers.

      Bots have feelings too!

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    6. Re:No Shit. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      The game is a massive tredmill. There is no way that someone with little time can be competative except for bots. Unless you live in NYC or someplace similar you can't get enough pokeballs to play without paying a fortune buying them from the store.

      Man, in New Orleans, and the suburbs there are Pokestops every other block, often multiple ones right beside each other...easy to get stocked up on poke balls and such.

      The other night, I had to keep throwing stuff out of my 'bag' to make room for more things I wanted.

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    7. Re:No Shit. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Depends on where you are. Back when I played I threw away pokeballs by the dozen because for every 'mon I ran into I passed by at least two pokestops. And that's true for every city with a five- or six-digit population I've been to (where I bothered playing). In rural areas this changes dramatically, though.

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    8. Re:No Shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not precisely.

      The core premis is brilliant (Augmented reality pokemon game). However other than the IP it doesn't have much going for it implementation wise. Virtually every game design choice was poorly made. Notably the open ended leveling means it's not friendly to new players, and the way Pokemon level encourages you to treat them is fungible entities rather than get attached to your pixel monsters. They also limited the strategy of the battles with the mechanics they chose as Pokemon have only two moves that are selected randomly, and the battle is primarily about timing your dodge (swipe), attack (tap), and special attack (long tap) rather than things like predicting your opponent's switch to a different pokemon, and selecting movesets that exploit type differences. Mostly battles juts boil down to picking your highest CP 'mon and spamming your attack. You can also defeat Gyms by grinding them as as long as you defeat one opponent the gym gets weeker eventually lowering the number of opponents you face, you can juts keep doing that until you're putting 6 pokemon against the lone defender and overcome wide power gaps with superior numbers rather than having to devise a strategy beyond "tap fast".

      On top of that, they don't seem to have really done anything cool with the locations of pokemon (like make wildlife refuges spawn rare poekmon, or similar), don't have trading (one of the core mechanics of the franchise), nor does it have any kind of story or real purpose other than the treadmill of continually catching new pokemon that will replace the pokemon you've spent all that time catching up until now.

    9. Re:No Shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Breaking the cheat is the reason people are quitting.

      The game is a massive tredmill. There is no way that someone with little time can be competative except for bots. Unless you live in NYC or someplace similar you can't get enough pokeballs to play without paying a fortune buying them from the store.

      Configuring and tweaking bots was far more fun than the game.

      I work in the burbs, I can sit at my desk and hit a pokestop all day long.

    10. Re:No Shit. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I live in Dallas pokestops are only found at stores, parks, and trails. You can walk around a residential neighborhood all day and hit 0. One pokestop isn't enough to keep you full on pokeballs though. Even doing the trail at the park, you'll hit 2 pokestops looping the trail but you won't get enough balls that way, you'd still burn through about 50 an hour.

    11. Re:No Shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in a pretty dense suburban neighborhood, and there are only two stops within a 20 minute walk from the house. I have also noticed that the distribution of rare Pokemon is not the same. When I go down town there are always uncaught Pokemon in the general area. At home you have walk a good quarter mile before you find one, and it is usually just a stupid pidgey.

  2. The game needs more stuff to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Michigan, the weather has been fine and it's been a summer hit.

    But the game is repetitive, and players who want to play "a little bit" can't compete in the arms race for good pokemon to fight in the gyms.

    More activities and content needs to be added to the game to keep it fresh, and soon.

    When the weather turns colder, it will be harder to maintain users in my neighborhood, at least.

    1. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by HumanWiki · · Score: 2

      In Michigan, the weather has been fine and it's been a summer hit.

      But the game is repetitive, and players who want to play "a little bit" can't compete in the arms race for good pokemon to fight in the gyms.

      More activities and content needs to be added to the game to keep it fresh, and soon.

      When the weather turns colder, it will be harder to maintain users in my neighborhood, at least.

      Well, this how Pokemon games have been since back on Gameboy. It's the same thing, over and over.. You go to a town, you battle some people, you find some stuff, you leave town and you catch some Pokemon and you battle some people and then you find some stuff. It's not all that different, it's just that fad players are getting bored with it because they never played all the other games.

      Also, "layers who want to play "a little bit" can't compete in the arms race for good pokemon to fight in the gyms." That's true of a great many multi-player online games. There are people that sink months on end and scale up to levels that make it not fun for others and those of us that are more casual. This just simply isn't even close to being a Pokemon:Go only issue. Destiny has this. Battlefield. CoD. Doom. Etc. Pretty much any sort on MMO game will see this problem with the casual players. Just how it is and there's no real easy solution.

    2. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by pla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A really, really straightforward way around that problem already exists - Segregating players by whatever key stats make them casual-vs-god-like.

      In the case of PoGo, that would just mean your highest CP critter, in tiers of around 500-ish. Once you get something over CP1500, you could effectively enter an entirely new world (doesn't need to be explicit, although in keeping with the Pokemon theme, they could call it a new town/island/whatever), with gyms controlled by people in the same ballpark as you.

    3. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "Just how it is and there's no real easy solution."

      There is a very easy solution. Make the game skill based and hard rather than progressive achievement based and easy.

    4. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by HumanWiki · · Score: 1

      "Just how it is and there's no real easy solution."

      There is a very easy solution. Make the game skill based and hard rather than progressive achievement based and easy.

      Skill based, like every game I listed? There's skill involved there and the more you play, typically the better you are. Which leads in to the issue I called out for casual gamers that aren't as skilled a jumping, with a sniper, and then quickly zoom aiming to head shot across the map.

    5. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you battle in the game, you even have to battle the wild pokemon to weaken them to catch them. Pokemon Go you just throw balls at them. And the one battle that is in the game is dull and has no strategy really beyond "Have the pokemon with the most CP!"

    6. Re: The game needs more stuff to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Starcraft 2 solved it. WoT solved it ( in a different way). There are ways.

    7. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by eggstasy · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can kill a pokemon with twice your CP if you know how to dodge its attacks properly and hit its weakness, i.e. "It's super effective"

    8. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by JDHannan · · Score: 1

      Dang, that's a really good idea

    9. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by Jesus_666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, this how Pokemon games have been since back on Gameboy. It's the same thing, over and over.. You go to a town, you battle some people, you find some stuff, you leave town and you catch some Pokemon and you battle some people and then you find some stuff. It's not all that different, it's just that fad players are getting bored with it because they never played all the other games.

      Only in the same sense that Heavy Rain boils down to "you watch a cutscene, then you do a quicktime event and watch more cutscenes followed by more QTEs". Technically it's true on a certain level but it misrepresents the game and its appeal.

      Your typical Pokemon game is focused on growth; you have to carefully build a team that can take on your opponents and you can't do that by constantly tossing out your 'mons. Training a 'mon up requires some time investment, thus you actually need to plan ahead instead of just going with whatever. Also, the various attacks actually make a difference and make the fights more complex than just "keep attacking until someone faints".

      PG, on the other hand, has none of those elements. It barely even has fights and those fights don't really amount to anything. The meat of the game is literally to catch 'mons which become utterly useless shortly after when your level allows you to catch superior 'mons. There is nothing to achieve, no growth of any kind, no strategy or tactics. It's Pokemon without everything that made it interesting.

      (And this comes from someone who was never a particularly big Pokemon fan and only played one of the first generation games. Even I can tell just how much PG is missing compared to the main series.)

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    10. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're supposed to be able to, but this is a game by Niantic. I decided to try and take on a Flareon (fire-type) with a Vaporeon (water-type) of similar CP. Can you guess how that battle went? (For those who don't play Pokemon, water is "super-effective" against fire and fire is "not very effective" against water. Basically, a large advantage.)

      If you guessed "my Vaporeon was killed (from full HP) the instant the battle starts" then you guessed right. Somehow.

      Dodging only occasionally works and the last time I did a fight, I somehow managed to dodge and attack in such a way that it went from being some damage to instantly killing the Pokemon. I still don't understand why that happened.

      Given that the majority of gyms in the area are owned by level 30+ players, I've basically given up on that part of the game, leaving ... well, pretty much nothing to do.

    11. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      OK, not just me who noticed that about the "Battle System"...

    12. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by TheSunborn · · Score: 2

      Well, true there have been some extreme server problems due to load. The worst one is when you can take the opponent down to 1 hp, but newer kill it.

      But in a normal battle without lag, a vaporeon can kill a Flareon with twice the cp. And that is without doing any dodging.

    13. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But in a normal battle without lag, a vaporeon can kill a Flareon with twice the cp. And that is without doing any dodging.

      I have literally never seen a "normal battle without lag." Ever.

      The servers are still crap and you'll still routinely get killed just for starting a battle. So I just don't bother with them.

      Or with the game any more.

      Based on the article, I'm not alone.

    14. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      (doesn't need to be explicit, although in keeping with the Pokemon theme, they could call it a new town/island/whatever),

      That's exactly what would NOT work here as you're supposed to play in a setting that's recognizably your own town/city/island.

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    15. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by pla · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what would NOT work here as you're supposed to play in a setting that's recognizably your own town/city/island.

      Taking things a biiit too literal here, friend. Who says "your own town/country/planet" doesn't belong to "Dainisekai zone"? Or if it offends you that much, call them "leagues" - Up to CP500, you will only see and battle "shojo" league players.

      However they frame it, Niantic has a really, really simple way to segregate players by skill, thereby keeping it fun for noobs and old-timers, fun for casuals and hardcore grinders. Hell, under that model, they could even allow "cheaters" (or even rurals) to play in their own league, rather than outright banning them.

    16. Re:The game needs more stuff to do by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Yes. leagues would be great.

      Zones won't work. If your town belongs to that zone, moving to the next zone would imply moving to another town.

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  3. Fat kids and auties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the fat kids and auties are realising they don't like being outside after all.

    1. Re:Fat kids and auties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mhmm, hilarious. Did they like that one on /pol/ as well?

  4. You wouldn't know it was declining here.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
    You'd not know it was not he decline here in New Orleans.

    Geez, the other night, driving through City Park about 3:30am on a Friday night, the place was packed with people slowly cruising around in cars with their Pokemon playing on their phones.

    It wasn't just there...at major sites all over town all last weekend, I saw a surprisingly LARGE amount of people out all times of day and especially late night playing it...

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    1. Re:You wouldn't know it was declining here.... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It wasn't just there...at major sites all over town all last weekend, I saw a surprisingly LARGE amount of people out all times of day and especially late night playing it...

      Am I the only one who's reminded of the ST:TNG episode about Riker finding the head-mounted video game on Risa and the whole crew of the Enterprise becoming addicted to it?

    2. Re:You wouldn't know it was declining here.... by Atrox666 · · Score: 1

      High abundance of water pokemon?

    3. Re:You wouldn't know it was declining here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for reminding me of that stupid Wesley episode.

    4. Re:You wouldn't know it was declining here.... by thewolfkin · · Score: 1

      i'm not reminded of that. But I too remember that episode. I liked it.

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    5. Re:You wouldn't know it was declining here.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      High abundance of water pokemon?

      Absolutely!!! TONS of them, especially if near Lake Pontchartrain....

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    6. Re:You wouldn't know it was declining here.... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Shut up, Wesley!

    7. Re:You wouldn't know it was declining here.... by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Can't find electric pokemon for the life of me. Or fire.

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    8. Re:You wouldn't know it was declining here.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Can't find electric pokemon for the life of me. Or fire.

      At little harder to find, but I have in City Park, and out in Kenner near the Treasure Chest casino....that whole area is LOADED with stuff.

      And people.

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    9. Re:You wouldn't know it was declining here.... by idontgno · · Score: 1

      You'd not know it was not he decline here in New Orleans. Geez, the other night, driving through City Park about 3:30am on a Friday night, the place was packed with people slowly cruising around in cars with their Pokemon playing on their phones.

      That wasn't Pokemon. That was Grindr.

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  5. This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you don't like people playing with your toys and go out of your way to limit play time to when and where and how you want. I'd agree if these were expensive action figures or whatnot, but this is Tonka Tough, man!

    Or to put it another way, of course people are going to stop playing after the "honeymoon" is over and people find themselves limited by increasingly more pedantic ways to not catch 'em all. Psychology 101, once the newness and uniqueness has worn off, only the dedicated will stay; once you begin enforcing rules and limiting it, only the dedicated will stay. So they're doubly screwed on this one.

    capcha: irony

    1. Re:This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sounds like someone is crying because they took your cheats away.

    2. Re:This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds more like someone is laughing at failing hype. Not sure if I would have listed 'enforcing rules' as a reason to leave, but I'm not a internet psychology major. And op? If you want 'irony' my capcha is 'breakup'.

    3. Re: This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the gyms became pointless. Too easy to take if your in an small city, I dunno maybe some larger place it's different. But here they may get to a ten and you can take it down relatively unchallenged or without being sniped. Very boring for me because there is tons of low level gyms(level 6 and below) to take about 4-6 gyms out just quickly enough so that you can get in the shop and collect. The gameplay theory was clearly a poor choice. Wish you could actually battle other players at a gym and not a NPC. Trading would have been a decent option.

      Next game please. Less than a month, Level 21 and bored with it enough already.

  6. Take note pointy hair bosses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Niantic has no one to blame but themselves on this one. First, instead of assuring there was server stability for North America they kept rolling out to new areas resulting in server crashes. During this time anyone that was using lures or eggs or other items were quite livid over the loss of an item they paid for due to the server(s) being down.

    Then came the three-step bug. When it went away, no longer could the average Joe Sixpack juts walk around and find new pokemon. It was an effort in futility made only https://games.slashdot.org/story/16/08/23/1437229/pokemon-go-daily-active-users-downloads-engagement-are-dropping#worse by the choice to ban 3rd party services that would facilitate in showing where the Pokemon were. And then to top it all off was the cheating. I can't take a gym if the Gym-Leader is a bunch of 35 level bots with great pokemon.

    So at a competitive disadvantage, with no real end goal but walking around collecting pidgeys the game was a bust.

    Good try, better luck next time pointy haired managers

    1. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the support and refund debacle.

      The Google Play Store requires every developer to post a working email address as a support contact. They also require the developer to handle refund requests within 48 hours of purchase. For several weeks after launch, the pokemon-go-support@nianticlabs.com email address listed as Niantic's support contact in the Play Store was nothing more than an autoresponder telling you all messages went to an unmonitored mailbox. No one could get a human reply from Niantic within 48 hours (if at all), thereby making it impossible to get a refund from Niantic itself. You had to escalate to Google Play support to attempt a refund, and many times they just referred you back to Niantic.

      Had it been any other developer I'm pretty sure Google wouldn't have let them sit around with non-functional support for several weeks. But given Niantic's connections to Google, they didn't do anything about it and the situation festered out of control. It turned a lot of people away from the game and presumably from Niantic.

    2. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Niantic has no one to blame but themselves on this one. First, instead of assuring there was server stability for North America they kept rolling out to new areas resulting in server crashes. During this time anyone that was using lures or eggs or other items were quite livid over the loss of an item they paid for due to the server(s) being down.

      You pay for your lures and eggs? I've never paid for any of them.

      And then to top it all off was the cheating. I can't take a gym if the Gym-Leader is a bunch of 35 level bots with great pokemon.

      So that's why I couldn't beat any gyms until recently. Glad they killed the hack! My cute neighbor had the same problem too.

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    3. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by Rinikusu · · Score: 2

      Honestly, as an Ingress player, the first couple I don't mind; those can be solved by adding more servers and issuing credits/refunds. It's the botting/cheating that irritates the fuck out of me. I get it, for a few people, *that* is the game. But for those of us who actually play, it's really a hot button issue. We have the same spoofing/botting in Ingress, but fortunately the game is relatively small and those guys end up getting caught and even ratted on (if they play IRL) by their teamates because what's the point of an AR game if you don't actually go out and play it? "OH, but it's hot!!!!" Yes, stay inside, play some overwatch or something.

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    4. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought lures were purchase only?

    5. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      I cheat the old fashioned way, drive around hunting pokemon when it's too hot to go out. downside is the cops don't like that shit.

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    6. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      I think you get some from leveling. I had 5 lures when I reached level 20. Decided to start using them up. When at a pokestop you click on the white button at the top under the name and you can add a lure.

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    7. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I wonder if anyone has worked out spoofing GPS to cheat. I presume that the game uses the phones GPS chip to decide where you are anyways.

    8. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by TheSunborn · · Score: 1

      True, but the problem was that lot's of people was playing the game outside of North America, even before it was released outside North America. So the longer they waited with world release, the larger the difference in level/skill would be between players who know how to sideload the app, and those who did not and thus had to wait for the official release.

      But they still scaled better then twitter(Look at the issues twitter has had with scaling, and Nianic had to scale from 9M users, to larger then twitter in a few weeks.

    9. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Niantic has the same issue with Ingress, and has tried (poorly) to solve it for almost 4 years. The spoofing won't stop in POGO either.

    10. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by Pikoro · · Score: 1
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    11. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      yes, this is exactly the sort of cheating I'm referring to. It's also how the bots work, by spoofing their gps coordinates and slowly (if they don' want to get caught) update position as if they're walking/biking. Kinda suspicious when you're in LAX at 3:50PM and taking down a portal in North Dakota at 3:55PM. Either that or you're sitting on the secrets behind teleportation.

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    12. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't care. They already made their money from you. Any future sales are gravy.

    13. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I see another fucking pidgey I'm gonna... dammit, another one just spawned!

    14. Re:Take note pointy hair bosses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three step "bug"? I would assume that most people here on Slashdot have an understanding of the fact that it was not a bug (otherwise of course it would be trivial to fix - the software is not that complex) but a way of lifting the load on the servers. If you need to track exact location of every player it's much more work than just sending them an approximate list of pokemon in the vicinity...

  7. In many places, by 31415926535897 · · Score: 5, Funny

    School started.

    1. Re:In many places, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is this rated "Funny" -- it's probably the #1 cause...

    2. Re:In many places, by WallyL · · Score: 1

      Oh, it's funny. It might be true, or not, but it's definitely funny.

    3. Re:In many places, by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      Because most universities are just a billion pokestops on top of each other, you'd think it would increase when people went back to school. Anecdotally it seems like a lot of people are picking it up more whne they get to campus.

      And, being in school involvs a lot of waiting around, walking, etc.

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  8. Simple game, needs upgrades, will get them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The game so far is too simple and you can quickly play to endgame content this will change as they add more stuff. When it does improve they will increase their retention, but they may suffer from being too popular at the start as people will "know" what they are like and won't be so motivated to re-test.

    It will be interesting to watch...

    1. Re:Simple game, needs upgrades, will get them by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "The game so far is too simple"

      True

      "and you can quickly play to endgame content"

      True, but I doubt even one legitimate player got anywhere near level 30. You can quickly play end game content because it's the same as start of game content. The problem is the same as all mmo's, instead of skill based play it is an acculation treadmill.

      These games need to take out any and all forms of advantage accumulation over time. A 240 game hour character/account should have absolutely zero advantage over a 30 minute played game character/account. I don't just mean combat advantage, there should be no cooler stuff you get, not even cooler looking or wealth accumulation. There should be no goals to work toward other than playing well one encounter at a time. The goal is having fun while playing instead of accumulating things.

      As for bots just publish an api to encourage people who enjoy coding and configuring bots to do so. Then you actually control the api and prevent the bots from having ultra-human advantages.

  9. Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean it's just a fad? But how can that be? How can something that is totally pointless not last forever?

  10. Matches my observations by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Funny

    Over the last couple of months, when I cut through one of the local parks on its bike trail, it's looked like the Night of the Living Dead: A bunch of zombies obliviously wandering around, staring down into their phones and cluelessly blocking the path.

    Lately, the zombie outbreak seems to have abated somewhat, and the bike path isn't so much of an obstacle course.

    1. Re:Matches my observations by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      I can't help but think of the tune "Don't Stop me Now" every time I picture a zombie apocalypse.

      We're having such a good time...

      --
      "Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
    2. Re:Matches my observations by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Consider yourself lucky. I live in the Netherlands and the zombies were on their bikes cycling down the bike trail.

      Just like your experience except with more momentum and more pain when it goes wrong.

  11. Burns out quickly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People burn out on this stuff quickly. Eventually people ask themselves why am I searching for stuff that doesn't really exist? I need to get a real life.

  12. They've been scrambling not improving by Mouldy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The developers have been scrambling to keep up with demand, they haven't been doing anything to improve the game or keep it interesting since launch.

    The game launched with a very small set of game play mechanics. Since launch, they've removed 1 mechanic (tracking pokemon) and have added nothing .

    If they were capable of keeping their launch-day mechanics in place and weren't scrambling to just keep the servers alive (the reason they removed the mechanic they did) then they could have focused their small development team on improving the game instead.

    The key mechanics in the old pokemon games was battling friends & AI and trading pokemon. If they added those mechanics into Pokemon go, then they might be able to keep the interest going a bit longer.

    Until then, it's collecting things that you can't find. The fun in that wears thin pretty quickly.

    1. Re:They've been scrambling not improving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also deleted dratini from most places, and decreased the spawn rate at many nests. There have been improvements too, but I'd definitely prefer the launch version of the game still.

    2. Re:They've been scrambling not improving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I'm not sure why they are so slow to release. The community is DYING for new content and the best Niantic can do so far is text fixes and bot detection. The community/hackers have built a lot more, and I wish Niantic would somehow embrace it, but they are being way too slow. Aside from that the game is severely plagued by bugs that are turning people off. It sucks to walk so far out of your way to get a gym, only to be presented with ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR when you try to battle. Happened to me at 3 different gyms last night, then got to a new gym only to be taken down by GPS spoofers.

      If Niantic doesn't get their shit together soon I fear they are going to fuck this up bigtime.

    3. Re:They've been scrambling not improving by xvan · · Score: 1

      The game release was rushed, pressured by Nintendo, because they wanted POGO to hipe (instead of overlap) the pokemon sun/moon releases.

      That's obvious by the time it took them to fix the tracking system an the load balancing of the servers. The game was also released feature incomplete ( no fighting, no trading, and on version 0.2*)

    4. Re:They've been scrambling not improving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol true @ the 0.xxx versions o.0

    5. Re:They've been scrambling not improving by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The game release was rushed, pressured by Nintendo, because they wanted POGO to hipe

      I'm sure the start of summer school holidays for more than half of the target audience had nothing to do with the launch date.

    6. Re:They've been scrambling not improving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The game release was rushed, pressured by Nintendo, because they wanted POGO to hipe (instead of overlap) the pokemon sun/moon releases.

      That's obvious by the time it took them to fix the tracking system an the load balancing of the servers. The game was also released feature incomplete ( no fighting, no trading, and on version 0.2*)

      Release? It's still in beta...

    7. Re:They've been scrambling not improving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless they have all these improvements implemented, tested and ready for deployment, and are waiting for the player curve to abate a bit before they release them. Wouldn't want to waste all the revenue opportunities too soon :)

  13. This application needs a game in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I ran it for a while. Nothing happened. I kept at it. More nothing happened. I put in a bit more time. Still, nothing happened. Then I forgot to keep starting it.

    There's nothing to do, no goals to work for or problems to solve. AFAICT my main goal was to gym enough to eventually save up the gold to buy a larger bag, so that I could carry more balls and raspberries. I am not fucking kidding. That was the goal: save up for a bigger bag.

    I've played other grind games (and I'm still playing another one, right now: Clash of Clans) and they're all so much better, because you're grinding for a reason (in CoC's case, the reason is just to take on bigger problems, but seriously: that's enough!). A grind goal is lacking, here.

    Pokemon Go is a neat idea, but no game. FWIW, I actually think that if they were to put in some effort, they really could fix it. Just think up a game (or two or three or ten), and add that to it. Treat the previous work as background/setting/universe_creation. Mapping the universe onto the real world was a good idea and I think we're going to see a lot more of that happening in the near future.

    1. Re:This application needs a game in it by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      FWIW, I actually think that if they were to put in some effort, they really could fix it. Just think up a game (or two or three or ten), and add that to it. Treat the previous work as background/setting/universe_creation. Mapping the universe onto the real world was a good idea and I think we're going to see a lot more of that happening in the near future.

      Well that's what they did - they put all that effort into Ingress. PokeGo was the culmination of all the crowd-sourced locations and some of the gameplay (battling for control of Gyms / Portals).

      Augmented reality does look to be the future of gaming (much more so than "virtual reality"). The problem with Ingress and PokeGo that Niantic doesn't seem interested in solving is that a small group of dedicated and coordinated player can ruin the game for everyone else over a fairly large area.

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
    2. Re:This application needs a game in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what have you done to improve your neighbourhood lately?

    3. Re:This application needs a game in it by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      I've never played Pokemon Go, but from what I know of it, you don't have to deal with 10% of the bullshit you have to deal with when actually trying to work to improve your neighborhood. The game sounds boring to me, and certainly is a fad, but for some people I imagine it is at least somewhat entertaining and allows them to put aside their problems for a little while. Neighborhood improvement is hard work that pays off in the end, but it isn't recreational in the slightest.

    4. Re:This application needs a game in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine people spending so much creative energy on real world problems like neighborhood improvement.

      You mean, like, regularly visiting local parks, meeting your neighbors, and a few million pairs of civilian eyeballs making public spaces less hospitable to drunks and drug dealers? That kind of improvement?

    5. Re:This application needs a game in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wandered around the neighborhood at 3AM, scaring people, causing suspicion, incurring 911 calls, trying to find imaginary objects while staring at my phone, oblivious to all real life objects, like cars and trucks, with no concern at all about my own health and safety, or that of those operating cars and trucks, or anything else for that matter.

      What did YOU do.

    6. Re:This application needs a game in it by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Note that Ingress players haven't been able to add portals for the last year because Niantic couldn't keep up and hasn't been able to come up with an automated system. Since PG relies in Ingress location data that leaves that game outdated as well, referencing locations that no longer exist and missing new POIs.

      If that is "all their effort" then Niantic obviously does not have the resources to pull off something on the scale of PG successfully. They can barely keep the much smaller Ingress going!

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    7. Re: This application needs a game in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if the goal is to scare away drug dealers I think you are wsdting your time.

      Pickup a shovel and start working

    8. Re:This application needs a game in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never played Pokemon Go, but from what I know of it, you don't have to deal with 10% of the bullshit you have to deal with when actually trying to work to improve your neighborhood. The game sounds boring to me, and certainly is a fad, but for some people I imagine it is at least somewhat entertaining and allows them to put aside their problems for a little while. Neighborhood improvement is hard work that pays off in the end, but it isn't recreational in the slightest.

      For many it's an excuse to go walking. Simply having more people walking around does improve neighborhoods. It reduces crime, increases health and wellbeing of residents not just through physical exercise but through community interaction,

      It also makes people more aware of problems in the neighborhood - from insufficient street lighting, signage, unsafe traffic conditions, worn foot/bike paths, littering, etc. And if they notice - especially when out with their kids - they're more likely to take some sort of action to combat the issue, even if that just means complaining to someone.

  14. Re:Pet Rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    This Pokemon Go shit is the electronic equivalent of the Pet Rock, Tickle Me Elmo, Cabbage Patch Doll, etc.

    Useless.

    Salty much, bitch?

  15. Re:Pet Rock by JackieBrown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unlike the usefulness of most other games?

    If it brings the user a fun experience, then it is useful.

  16. Nintendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their "financial performance sent shares parabolic" because Nintedo only owns 33% of The Pokemon Company, which is getting the income, not Nintendo directly, and investors didn't realize that until after the fact.

  17. This is normal for mobile games by Manmademan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Bloomberg article shows the game being off it's launch peak by 20-25% or so, with a spike in engagement that it doesn't explain a few weeks ago. This is normal for this kind of game- and mobile games tend to make their profit on a small percentage of users that spend a TON on microtransactions (more pokeballs, lures, etc), not in raw user count. The game is likely still wildly overperforming what Niantic expected it to- and there are plenty of features (direct trainer battles, more pokemon) for Niantic to implement to extend the game's lifespan.

    1. Re:This is normal for mobile games by LeBleu · · Score: 1

      The timing of the spike in engagement looks like 1 month after release - so right when all the downloaded it once and never opened it again users started dropping out of the Monthly Active Users count. So just before that, 40% of every user who ever even tried Pokemon Go once was still using it daily. That sounds like pretty good numbers to me! That metric will be a lot more meaningful once all the users who only tried it one day during peak hype are out of it. (even better would be a chart of daily active users as a percent of users who used the app two days in the past month)

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      --LeBleu

      If you're reading this you're part of the mass hallucination that is Kevin the Blue.

  18. It is now impossible to play while riding in a car by Kili · · Score: 1

    They made it impossible to play while riding as a passenger in a car. If you are going more than 4 Mph you cannot catch-em-all. I am pretty sure making it so kids cannot play while riding in the car killed their numbers.

    I am sure it is to prevent idiot drivers from removing themselves from the gene pool via obtaining the coveted "Darwin Award."

  19. It was a smartphone fad by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    Did anyone really expect the fad to last?

  20. Maybe they caught them all? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    I mean, that is the goal of the game, is it not?

    1. Re:Maybe they caught them all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly this. The fact that only generation 1 pokemon feature in the game as of yet, makes me think they plan to expand the number of them to eventually catch up with the main games.

  21. Still most downloaded app by subanark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ok, so you have a really popular app come out. Lots of people try it and like it. Then lots more try it because lots of other people are. This second group doesn't see what is appealing and chucks it. This still doesn't detract from it being popular, or indicate it is doomed.

    E.g. Look at World of Warcraft, now has 1/2 the subscribers it did at its peak a few years ago. Despite this it is still going strong as the most popular MMO.

    1. Re:Still most downloaded app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But WoW has stuff to do in it. PoGo doesn't really. You can:
      - walk around and catch/hatch pokemon
      - feed and evolve them
      - fight to take over a gym, which is insanely easy
      - fight to strengthen a gym, which is insanely hard

      That's it, the game gets boring quite fast, especially because the fight are totally imbalanced:
      - when you try to strengthen a gym, you attack a gym of your team, with one pokemon. the gym's xp increases a bit (~200 - 500 xp) depending on how many pokemon of the gym you beat. Unless you have extremely high CP pokemons, It's hard to beat more than two with only one pokemon attacking.
      - when you try to take one over, you attack with 6 pokemons. Even if you have crappy pokemons you will beat at least 2 of the gym pokemons easily and make the gym's xp decrease a lot (~1500 - 2000).

      It's impossible to hold gyms for more than a few hours, and even if you did, there is no point to.

      I don't think this is comparable to wow. If niantic doesn't add features and goals, the game won't last.

    2. Re:Still most downloaded app by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Several million subscribers, at 13-16 bucks (depending on your subscription plan) /month...

      Do the math, it's still a license to print money....

    3. Re:Still most downloaded app by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      It's impossible to hold gyms for more than a few hours, and even if you did, there is no point to.

      Actually there is. You know the currency you have to pay real money to get? Apparently you get it if you can hold on to a gym for more than 20 hours. I've never been in a place where gym churn is slow enough for that to happen, so I can't verify it.

      But that's why the bot-swarms bother with gyms - to farm those "coins" from them.

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      You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
    4. Re:Still most downloaded app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      another thing that benefits world of warcraft is that it runs on the pc equivalent of a 10-15 year old flip phone.

    5. Re:Still most downloaded app by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      You don't have to hold a gym to get the currency. You claim your bonus once every 21 hours based on your current gym count. So the way you do it is you go take over a half a dozen gyms, claim your bonus, and then 21 hours later do it again. You don't get any more bonus for that than if you just held the gym for 21 hours except you have to keep playing.

    6. Re:Still most downloaded app by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      WoW has many things Pokemon Go doesn't. If it doesn't change I would predict it is doomed as it follows the same pattern and game design of other games that were doomed:

      1. No strategy or thought required to play.
      2. No skill required and skills don't get improved. Throw a ball at a thing.
      3. Variance is based exclusively on levels and type of pokemon.
      4. The entire mechanic of the game relies on time and collection of the same resource (balls) to keep playing.
      5. There's no end goal, no challenge, no real PvP.

      Unless something changes that makes the game stimulating for the brain interest in it will wane.

    7. Re:Still most downloaded app by subanark · · Score: 1

      1. It interacts with real life. If you want to hit those poke stops and gyms you have to plan your route.
      2. Throwing a ball correctly requires some skill, which will increase your chance of capture and get more exp.
      3. Nope, individual pokemon in the same species can differ on their stats, even at max level.
      4. This isn't bad (and slightly wrong, as there are things like eggs, lures, potions, ect...)
      5. Your major end-game challenge is trying to hold on to as many gyms as possible.

      In any case, there is enough there to keep it going for a while. Not forever, but I would imagine Niantic is hard working on new stuff.

    8. Re:Still most downloaded app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As Ed Tice said, you can claim coins every 21 hours. hwn eyou claim it, you get 10 coins per pokemon in gyms.

      Depending on your areas and hour, you may be able to take lots of gyms and claim lots of coins, but it's unrealistic for a human player, especially since once you've reduced a gym's xp to 0, the gym becomes neutral and anyone can take it over if you're not fast enough.

      Bots may be able to claim and hold lots of gyms to get coins, especially if you have several bots acting as a team, but by the time a real player gets a third one, he already lost his first. So usually, once a day, I go take over one or two gyms and claim 10 or 20 coins.

      And that's boring.

    9. Re:Still most downloaded app by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      1. It interacts with real life. If you want to hit those poke stops and gyms you have to plan your route.

      Interacting with real life is no different to playing a pre-defined game because the real-life doesn't have an impact on the interaction. Gyms just are. They don't differ greatly between locations, there's nothing special from one gym to the next beyond it's popularity and that can be done without any real life interaction at all. Pokestops at least have pictures and the occasional trivia but that serves no purpose in the game either. And I disagree that you have to plan your route. Most people don't plan, they just move. If they run low or run out of balls then they move in a specific direction. There's nothing magical about a route that makes it better than simply walking around.

      2. Throwing a ball correctly requires some skill, which will increase your chance of capture and get more exp.

      Throwing a ball correctly can be done by a 3 year old (I have evidence), and can be done while inebriated to the point of having difficulty walking (I have evidence too, and the person in question then proceeded to not make it home on his bicycle which was funny because home was only 10m away so none of us could figure out why he tried to get on his bike anyway). Point is it does not require skill, not even remotely enough to keep the game interesting.

      3. Nope, individual pokemon in the same species can differ on their stats, even at max level.

      Cool. That changes absolutely nothing in the game. Variance is limiting. It's a collection game nothing more.

      4. This isn't bad (and slightly wrong, as there are things like eggs, lures, potions, ect...)

      It doesn't change. It is bad for longevity of the game. It's not a bad game mechanic for something to occasionally kill time or for a short burst of appeal that it has, but the point is it lacks variance and interest. Without either longevity of the game is at risk.

      5. Your major end-game challenge is trying to hold on to as many gyms as possible.

      In any case, there is enough there to keep it going for a while. Not forever, but I would imagine Niantic is hard working on new stuff.

      This is actually a good feature, one of the few. At the moment it's a victim of it's success. Pokemon Gyms fall like raindrops. Taking over a gym may last long enough to walk away even if you've been a seasoned player from day dot with relatively good stats on your pokemon. Right now it feels like a repetitive grind, but this may balance out. If the popularity of the game reduces this mechanic actually may improve.

      I hope Niantic is working on new stuff. This isn't a bad game, but its mechanics lack the stimulation to keep it going beyond the initial launch. Nintendo are normally quite good with stuff like this. e.g. Splatoon has seen an endless stream of new levels, new guns, changing game mechanics, special events etc. Nintendo aren't stupid so hopefully their partnership with Niantic included developments that will keep the game interesting for the longer term.

  22. Missed Opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am a firm believer that Pokémon GO is a huge missed opportunity. My reasoning for this is as follows.

    Because this a game that you need to activity leave your house to play it, it already has a mortal enemy that is right WINTER IS COMING! Even the most dedicated players I have talked to said snow = death of POGO so their timing of a summer release was great. But if the game so unfinished there is little to keep people playing. If I can’t find Pokémon, battle PvP, trade with friends, etc.

    So what was missed? Well because of this need to go outside the game will only ever be popular during a few months of the year so getting features out the door is key. Yet how can they build all of these features (searching, trading, fighting, breading, leaderboards, etc.) quickly? The simple answer is they cannot.

    But if they release an API as part of the base game then the community would have built, maintained and paid for the rest of the features to complete and drive the game, within days/weeks of the original release.

    1. Re:Missed Opportunity by Maritz · · Score: 1

      it already has a mortal enemy that is right WINTER IS COMING!

      Let me tell you about a little place I like to call: the southern hemisphere.

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    2. Re:Missed Opportunity by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      it already has a mortal enemy that is right WINTER IS COMING! Let me tell you about a little place I like to call: the southern hemisphere.

      THIS....!!

      Down here in New Orleans, its so damned hot, all you can do to avoid heat stroke and play is to roll about in your car and play with the AC on high.

      Down here, the AC in my house doesn't usually cut off from about April till November. I'm looking forward to cooler weather starting to hit in the next couple months.

      I guess there's a lot of people up in the Northeast of the US that think they are the only folks on the face of the earth that matter.

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  23. get a real pokemon game on your phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pocketmortys is a better pokemon game https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/rick-and-morty-pocket-mortys/id992640880?mt=8

    1. Re:get a real pokemon game on your phone by Maritz · · Score: 1

      I spent some time on that one. Very good for a freemium game.

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      I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
  24. Re:It is now impossible to play while riding in a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are you talking about? I play the game on foot and with driving with my son in the passenger seat going 20-35MPH. he is able to catch pokemon and get stops with both his phone and mine.

  25. Well... yeah by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Is this a surprise? This is probably exactly what the companies behind the game knew was going to happen.

    In other news, fewer people will go and watch Suicide Squad this weekend compared to last.

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  26. Analysts discover hypetrains, news at 11 by EvilSS · · Score: 1

    So it's basically like every other popular everything ever? Who would have though.

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  27. Re:Pet Rock by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    My daughter ( 7 ) was nuts over it when it came out. But you walk around, try to catch Pokemon, not by battling them and weakening them first, but by just throwing a limited resource (Pokeballs) until you catch one. Then you run out of Pokeballs and there's not much to do unless you are already high level and have spent a lot of time and/or money building a team for gyms. That's the only kind of Pokemon Battle in the game currently, and it's kinda really dull, no real strategy to it at all.

    She has no interest in it anymore... I imagine among older Pokemon fans, they're also seeing the game is dull and lacks what made Pokemon interesting in the first place...

  28. It's because the game has no long term goals by Vermonter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unlike Ingress, where there is a continuing story line influenced by how well the two factions are doing, and there is a global score that every player can influence, and an in game chat function so players can interact without knowing each other ahead of time, and the ability for huge operations involving dozens of players and the challenge of organizing such an operation (clearing lanes to make way for linking, capturing or destroying key portals, heading out to some obscure location in the middle of the night and feeling like a secret agent on a top secret mission), Pokemon Go really has very little to offer. On top of that, the tracking feature is not what the players wanted (and had at release). You basically go around capturing gyms, which serves no purpose... the xp gained is not worth the potions you need to use to recover from the attack, so unless you are trying to get on multiple gyms to get your daily rewards, there is little point. You also go around hunting pokemon, which is not multiplayer in the slightest, except for the fact that your friends can do it with you. And you can only hunt so many pokemon before it gets redundant... the xp requirements suddenly grow at a stupidly fast rate once you get to level 20. It is extremely difficult to find new players as there is no way to communicate with them unless you happen to bump in to them. If you live in a place far away from water, you essentially are locked out of some of the badges and pokemon (unlike ingress where all badges are accessible, even while urban play and rural play present different challenges).

    Essentially, Pokemon Go has little to offer once the novelty wears off.

    1. Re:It's because the game has no long term goals by del_diablo · · Score: 1

      >Unlike Ingress, where there is a continuing story line influenced by how well the two factions are doing,
      Doesn't this just make it unlikely for people to want to play Ingress?
      I get the point of Ingress, but it seems extremely pointless.

      Go really doesn't have anything going for it either, but it has 1 core goal: To catch them all. Thats your long term goal. Everything else is a part of the fun journey.

    2. Re:It's because the game has no long term goals by dfm3 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't this just make it unlikely for people to want to play Ingress?

      Not really; I've been playing for several months now and I've noticed that 95% of the players don't really care about the storyline. It's all buried on various websites with DAYS worth of video and media, so most new players don't take the time to read the backstory - and I've never been able to find a "cliffs notes" version.

      But things DO get interesting when the outcome of anomalies (big, meetup style competitive events that are held all over the world) affects gameplay dynamics. The Enlightenment (one of the two teams) won the last event, and one of the "characters" was killed (we think...) but the end result was that one particular item stopped being available at portals. Now both teams have to be very strategic in how they use their remaining supply of that item, and there are theories that it hurts one side more than another... when things like that happen, it definitely keeps the game more interesting, because team strategy has to evolve.

    3. Re:It's because the game has no long term goals by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      i'm trying to get a gyarados before my brother-in-law. There is some entertainment in that.

      My commute to and from work along the embarcadero in san francisco is loaded with the requisite magikarp. I go into the office a couple times a week, and had determined that I can collect enough over the course of a few weeks. That will beat my brother-in-law, but it is pretty disheartening to overhear groups of people discussing how they are evolving a gyarados a day over there.

      it's pretty clear that there's no way to compete with the "masters".

    4. Re:It's because the game has no long term goals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was just out traveling in that part of San Fran last week and was amazed at the number of Poke-stops. There is one on every block. Back home my 7yo daughter and I like to play in the neighborhood, but there are only two stop within a 15 minute walk of our house, and she burns through a lot of balls trying to catch them. There needs to be a better balance in the distribution of stops and rare Pokemon, with some way to track them. And if I see one more pidgey or ratta I am going to cry.

  29. Boring Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Walk around getting the same common creatures over and over and over, combat consists of tapping furiously on the screen

    The most boring game I've ever played

  30. Re:Pet Rock by Maritz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Useless.

    I have zero interest in Pokemon Go but that's an asinine point. Videogames are not meant to be useful. At all.

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  31. Also the game isn't that social by thewolfkin · · Score: 2

    Unlike the original Ingress. Pokemon Go doesn't really get better with friends. In Ingress playing with a friend can allow you to take down stronger portals faster, and it's the only way to build up stronger portals. You can make giant control fields.

    In Pokemon Go as much as people in real life keep chiming on about how social it is. The game isn't social. Playing with friends isn't something the game encourages. It just happens because PoGo has such a large community. You don't run into people playing Pokemon Go because of game mechanics but because it's a Pokemon game. If there was a pokemon match 3 game that gave your "energy" by walking you'd still run into just as many people playing it. You'd still have fun "Pokewalks" together and meet other random people doing their "Pokewalks". But Pokemon Go doesn't have many social aspects. And while the license brought people in. Unless they change the game (and removing one of the few social features [Poke-tracking] doesn't count) I would be very surprised if their numbers didn't fall off by the end of the year. I was actually very surprised more Ingress mechanics didn't transfer over because Ingress is a great game it just has a dreadfully pedantic theme that has no mass appeal.

    And yeah the newbie gap is much better in Ingress. A level 1 player can't really affect me as a level 10 player but they can play for a few weeks and catch up to a point where they CAN compete. You don't have to dedicate your life to the game to become effective and (to be fair possibly because it's so small) there's a community that values sharing from a mechanical standpoint. You can only use so much gear. I live in a high value region so if there's someone new and they want to meet I have no problem giving them as much gear as they can handle because I'm swiming in it.

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    Just another second banana
    1. Re:Also the game isn't that social by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unlike the original Ingress. Pokemon Go doesn't really get better with friends. In Ingress playing with a friend can allow you to take down stronger portals faster, and it's the only way to build up stronger portals. You can make giant control fields.

      There's a social metagame in Pokemon Go too.

      Alone, anyone can take down a gym, but it costs a lot of potions. I throw in one poke, get my 10 coins, and the next random passerby either adds his poke to the gym (if on my team), or if he's on an opposing team, stomps all over it to get his 10 coins. There's no incentive for me to train my own pokes against my own poke in order to level up the gym all by myself, because the costs are entirely imposed on me and the benefits, if any, go to complete strangers.

      In groups - even as small as two - the gameplay is different. It's not only easier to take down gyms, it's dramatically easier to level up gyms. Gym #1, I throw in a low-value 'mon, all three of us beat the tar out of it, and Friend #2 and #3 get to throw in decent 'mons. (The next opposing passerby kicks my 'mon out trivially, but has to work at getting my friends' mons out.) At Gym #2 (and #3), we do the same thing, except it's Friend #1's (and #2's) turn to be the punching bag, and I get to put a decent 'mon in the gym. Bingo - three gyms down, and odds are decent that all three of us get at least 20-30 coins each for our trouble. (It scales to larger groups of same-team members, as long as everyone's willing to put in the time to walk to more gyms. Hell, we're all friends - if there are 4-5 of us and a mix of red/blue/yellow, we'll take turns beating on opposing gyms... Everybody gets coins.)

    2. Re:Also the game isn't that social by thewolfkin · · Score: 1

      Unlike the original Ingress. Pokemon Go doesn't really get better with friends. In Ingress playing with a friend can allow you to take down stronger portals faster, and it's the only way to build up stronger portals. You can make giant control fields.

      There's a social metagame in Pokemon Go too.

      Alone, anyone can take down a gym, but it costs a lot of potions. I throw in one poke, get my 10 coins, and the next random passerby either adds his poke to the gym (if on my team), or if he's on an opposing team, stomps all over it to get his 10 coins. There's no incentive for me to train my own pokes against my own poke in order to level up the gym all by myself, because the costs are entirely imposed on me and the benefits, if any, go to complete strangers.

      In groups - even as small as two - the gameplay is different. It's not only easier to take down gyms, it's dramatically easier to level up gyms. Gym #1, I throw in a low-value 'mon, all three of us beat the tar out of it, and Friend #2 and #3 get to throw in decent 'mons. (The next opposing passerby kicks my 'mon out trivially, but has to work at getting my friends' mons out.) At Gym #2 (and #3), we do the same thing, except it's Friend #1's (and #2's) turn to be the punching bag, and I get to put a decent 'mon in the gym. Bingo - three gyms down, and odds are decent that all three of us get at least 20-30 coins each for our trouble. (It scales to larger groups of same-team members, as long as everyone's willing to put in the time to walk to more gyms. Hell, we're all friends - if there are 4-5 of us and a mix of red/blue/yellow, we'll take turns beating on opposing gyms... Everybody gets coins.)

      i'll concede the gym point. I intended to in my earlier comment and I forgot about it. But beyond the gym there's not much else, it is the sole social aspect of the game and it's kinda simplistic (which again to be fair to the target audience of Pokemon isn't necessarily a bad thing). I hear there are add-ons that allow for pokemon tracking so you can find pokemon even without the built in tracker that's currently bugged out but I consider that people hacking the game to make it social.

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  32. Metagame by Sumus+Semper+Una · · Score: 1

    The staying power of many video games these days is all about the metagame. Some video games have an end. Traditional role playing games almost always have an ending that the player is working towards. Many "arcade" type games, on the other hand, are all about racking up the highest score. Games like pinball never really "end" even though your play session may have. Along the way, we've seen meldings of all sorts between the genres. World of Warcraft and other MMORPGs, for example, have an "end" goal of the story to work towards like a traditional RPG, but even after killing the final boss in the current game content the game isn't "over". Like an old arcade game, there are goals beyond the story that allow you to compare and compete against other players in meaningful ways.

    The problems with Pokemon Go are the same ones faced by every other massively online game without an ending - players without significant time or money to devote to the game will never be able to compete with players who have an abundance of those resources. That's not very important in the first month or two when lots of people are starting from scratch and won't be at a significant disadvantage for starting late. But by now, nobody is going to care that you evolved your first Pokemon or were victorious in your first gym battle. In addition, the players who want to do things mostly on their own and not interact with other players much really have almost nothing to draw them into the game once the pace of content unlocking slows (as it always does in MMO games). Frankly, I'm amazed the game was able to hook as many people as it did with its initial launch given the lack of any sort of meaningful "end game" content for any type of player.

  33. Great idea... by hipp5 · · Score: 1

    Great idea, terrible execution.

    No surprise that it started off super popular. Who wouldn't want to relive their childhood Pokemon days, except in the real world? And it is indeed really fun at first. The thrill of catching new Pokemon is a great high.

    But then reality sets in:

    • - Reliability issues. They were not prepared for the popularity and the game was a real bitch to play for a while. Overloaded servers + crappy bugs = frustrating gameplay. Sure, it's "free" but my time is not free and if the experience is subpar I'll go elsewhere.
    • - Shitty communications. Sure, they were scrambling to put out all sorts of fires, but the biggest fire they ignored was public relations. They'd remove features and probably had good technical reasons to do so, but did not communicate those reasons to their users. That pissed people off.
    • - No end-game content. Your levelling up goes by fast at first, and your first 50 Pokemon are a thrilling experience. Then you hit the mid-game: your levelling slows down and you have to work a little bit for the next 25 Pokemon. "Okay, that's cool. It's forcing me to get out of my bubble and see my city a bit." Then you hit the end game. Next 75 Pokemon are an absolute grind. Like spending days just to get enough "candy" to evolve one Pokemon. I'll probably never get a Golem. So you have to decide if you want to spend literally hundreds of hours completing your PokeDex. I know I don't. So what's the alternative end-game? Not much. Try to find a few good Pokemon so I can fight gyms? Great, I can spend my hours tapping the screen rapidly so that I can... what, get some coins to upgrade my bag I guess.

    So yeah, I'm not surprised numbers are falling off. Once you hit around 75 Pokemon species the game just becomes a huge grind for almost no reward. I suspect that once they get their issues under control and start releasing new content they'll see a little bit of rebound, but it may already be too late to woo a lot of people back.

    1. Re:Great idea... by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      It was also just a bad game. If it wasn't for the brand, it would never have even taken off. I don't really recognize anything of Pokemon in this game.

      They even try to make you into an irrelevant villain in this game, except instead of Team Rocket/Plasma/Magma etc. they're trying to make you a Team Valor/Mystic/Instinct grunt.

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  34. Rampant Engagement Problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    After my experience with Pokémon Go (and subsequent reduction in playtime), here are the issues as I see them:

    - Too many pop-up messages now preventing gameplay or interfering with it. It's not the game's job to police my actions.
    - Acquisition of Poké Balls is too difficult, even in urban areas, given that as you level up the Pokémon run away more and are more difficult to catch.
    - Fighting at gyms is just a terrible and unreliable experience. The entire battle system needs an overhaul and should return to something more similar to the old games.
    - Back on Poké Balls, some form of passive acquisition method would re-engage me in at least casually playing the game. Even if it was 1 per hour or something, that would help.
    - Fighting with other players should be easier even when not near a gym, and should give some rewards.
    - The game freezes and crashes often, and is a huge battery hog, and is perhaps the only app I have that actually heats up my device to the point it feels hot. They really need to work on the efficiency of their code.
    - Leveling up your account shouldn't be "catch as many Pidgeys as possible and evolve them all at once with an XP-boosting item active." That's stupid.

    Obviously, fixing some/all of these problems would be helpful to improving the longevity of the game.

    1. Re:Rampant Engagement Problems by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      I have no idea why this is at zero, it should be modded up.

  35. Re:Pet Rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Listen, pal, my leisure is more important than your leisure even if neither one of them servers no purpose. My team won the [super bowl/stanely cup/pennant] what do you have to show for your pokemon garbage?!?!? Now I need to run off to Facebook and prove how important my life is by making fun of people who play cellphone games.

  36. Re:It is now impossible to play while riding in a by Coisiche · · Score: 2

    I expect the "speed lock" was in the original copy and paste from the Ingress code that Niantic used to create Pokemon Go from.

  37. Pokemon Gone! by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    Bye, Pokemon!

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  38. Re: Pet Rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hours and hours of entertainment, with stories and characters to rival any movie or play ever written.

  39. Re:Pet Rock by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    I saw this a mile away. Pokemon is not a "team" game, it is an individual game, that can be played in groups. The group aspect isn't even necessary for the game itself, it is more social than game related.

    Because there is very little interaction required among players, players aren't engaged with each other. Eventually you catch them all and then what?

    If you are tired of Pokemon, but like the VR world, might I suggest you try Ingress. There are multiple facets to Ingress, you can play alone, as part of a team, explore, do missions, build fields, control zones, badges to collect (some damn near impossible to get) . If you get bored with one aspect, there are several others to pique your interest if you want.

    At this point, they can only release more Pokemons, which is only a very short term fix. They may be able to introduce more team play, but since the incarnation of the original Pokemon game, they will have to create some new part of the Pokemon lore to do so. AND that will piss off the hardcore fans.

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  40. Some reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's too easy to find Pokemon them. Currently the game is mainly about collecting all the Pokemon and once you have majority of them there it not much left to do.

    Any Pokemon can be found in just about any area given enough time, this kills the exploring concept. Non-common Pokemon should only be found in different geographic areas taking into account thinks like climate, water sources, forested vs plains vs desert.

    Too many Pokestops that are way too close together making it easy to walk in small circles and again limiting the need to explore other areas.

    Unfair advantage for people in major cities vs normal cities vs rural areas.

    Pokestops and pokemon seem to be clustered in downtown areas.

    Walking trails in many parks (which do show up as trails on the map) have nothing which I found to be very disappointing and again limits the need to explore and does nothing to encourage walking.

    The game is way too easy for people to play using "drive by and pull over" techniques,

    Cheating got way out of hand. Gyms retaken minutes after I took them with no other person in visible site and all the other cheating.

    It's too easy to level up from 1-20.

    Stops resetting after 5 minutes reduce the need to explore and continuously provide items and xp, they should only reset once a day.

    I'm sure I can think of other things, but all that being said, any new game is going to have it's initial spike, drop, and level off with a slow decline and smaller spikes as new content is released. This decline should not be unexpected. However the company could have done a better job to take advantage of the initial spike so it last as long as possible.

  41. reasons by Talahaski · · Score: 1

    It's too easy to find Pokemon. Currently the game is mainly about collecting all the Pokemon and once you have majority of them there it not much left to do.

    Any Pokemon can be found in just about any area given enough time, this kills the exploring concept. Non-common Pokemon should only be found in different geographic areas taking into account thinks like climate, water sources, forested vs plains vs desert.

    Too many Pokestops that are way too close together making it easy to walk in small circles and again limiting the need to explore other areas.

    Unfair advantage for people in major cities vs normal cities vs rural areas.

    Pokestops and pokemon seem to be clustered in downtown areas.

    Walking trails in many parks (which do show up as trails on the map) have nothing which I found to be very disappointing and again limits the need to explore.

    The game is way too easy for people to play using "drive by and pull over" techniques.

    Cheating got way out of hand. Gyms retaken minutes after I took them with no other person in visible site and all the other cheating.

    Too easy to level up from 1-20.

    Stops resetting after 5 minutes reduce the need to explore and continuously provide items and xp, they should only reset once a day.

    All that said, any new game is going to have it's initial spike, drop, and level off with a slow decline and smaller spikes as new content is released. This decline should not be unexpected. However the company could have done a better job to take advantage of the initial spike so it last as long as possible.

  42. Re:Pet Rock by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    Lore? Pokemon Go has Lore? ;)

  43. Sheesh, just met her at a Poke Gym last night by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Stop pressuring me to get engaged, she's on the Blue team and I'm on the Yellow team, at least wait until the third date!

    (oh, not that type of engagement ... never mind)

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  44. Re:It is now impossible to play while riding in a by vux984 · · Score: 2

    They made it impossible to play while riding as a passenger in a car

    No they didn't. My son uses my wife's phone, launches the app, it says you are going too fast, he taps 'i am a passenger'* and then usually catches 3-4 on the drive to wherever as well as picking up supplies.

    * Somewhat amusingly "I am a passenger" is the only option it presents when tripping the speed lock. No "Cancel" option.

    Also somewhat amusingly, he triggered the speedlock during a walk. Not even a particularly fast walk. Again, he hit 'I am a passenger'. Perhaps the button should say "I'm not driving".

    I am sure it is to prevent idiot drivers from removing themselves from the gene pool via obtaining the coveted "Darwin Award.

    idiot drivers can just hit "I am a passenger" and merrily proceed to kill themselves and others around them.

  45. Re:Pet Rock by hey! · · Score: 2

    Sure, the only really unpredictable aspect of this scenario is the size of the peak. If their business plans were predicated on maintaining usage near the initial peak indefinitely, then they were stupid plans.

    I'm guessing that the plans for this product aren't that stupid. In that case a sensible goal will be to maintain a modest but loyal group of regular users and to periodically introduce new features that will entice usage jags out of occasional players.

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  46. Re:It is now impossible to play while riding in a by foradoxium · · Score: 1

    huh?

    yes you can play it in the car. A message pops up asking if you are a passenger and you say yes. After that you can catch pokemon, click on pokestops, etc. The only issue is depending on the speed of travel you have to be very quick with the pokestops and gyms..

  47. It's time now. by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    OK cows, time to go back to your own teat now.

  48. Re:Pet Rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably more story in the Pokemon universe than in any fictional universe you follow more. Possible exceptions: Game of Thrones, Wheel of Time.

    Remember, this game has had plots for each of its dozens of games, and has had multiple anime adaptations, each of which run for years.

  49. Has it really? by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 1

    Pokemon Go has been cracking down on the bot accounts lately. Are we just seeing how much of this traffic was generated by these automated accounts vs. actual people?

  50. Breaking news!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    School year starts. Neckbeards rejoice as the minority of bearded fellows can finally leave their pokemon at a gym undisturbed.

    1. Re:Breaking news!! by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      School year starts. Neckbeards rejoice as the minority of bearded fellows can finally leave their pokemon at a gym undisturbed.

      Um, most of the fellow Pokemon GO players I've met in person are actually women.

      Not sure what universe you live in.

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  51. Re:It is now impossible to play while riding in a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have had my phone sitting still on my desk with the app open and have received that message. My only conclusion is it detects how fast the earth is moving around the Sun.

  52. It still has its playability by foradoxium · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is not a game for the "power gamers" who want to level up, get gear, level up, get gear..and win. And I think they are finding that out, they can powergame themselves to have very high CP pokemon and rule gyms but then someone who took 4 times as long to level up and get their pokemon comes up and drops them. It's almost very anti-power gamer..haha!

    They used cheating to get themselves all the best pokemon that they needed, and now they "fixed" the cheats and they cry that its boring? haha

    This is still a very fun casual game that you can play with your family.

    There is something unique to this game in that it solves something that the gaming industry has so far failed to do: encourage exercise and real social interactions. I mean actually interacting with real people, not trolls hidden behind their keyboard with large epeens.

      It encourages you to go on walks, travel, actually interact with the outside world. That's been the biggest thing that this game has done for me and my kids. We now go to different areas and walk around. Sometimes its to parks, sometimes downtown, sometimes to waterfalls, or any other random public place that we typically don't go. How many other games actually encourage being active, and being outside your basement? It's also a bit like fishing, seeing who can get the highest CP pokemon.

      Like it or not the latest generations (at least) sit more and exercise less, and video games worsen that as they encourage the kids to sit in a spot for 10 hours. Whats that? Force them to go outside and play? Some kids really aren't athletic or have a desire to be..and as a parent you could force your kid to exercise but that doesn't really work well. Sure when I grew up I was outside all the time..but then I grew up in a rural town of 28k, where all the housing and streets looked straight out of Leave it to Beaver. My kids are growing up in the inner city, and I'm not so concerned about kidnapping etc. as I am them having to cross dozens of intersections.

    So yes, I'm sure the "fad" will fade a bit as it's newness loses its luster, but considering the unique benefits of the game it still is a fun, cute game that encourages social interaction and physical activity.

    1. Re:It still has its playability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the lazy can still sit if they want to and still play if they lure a pokestop (or 3), but at least for families you can make the kids keep walking if they want to keep playing ;)

    2. Re:It still has its playability by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      encourage exercise

      Call it what it is. It get's people out of their seats and outside doing the bare minimum, it does not encourage exercise. In fact I see more people walking past pokemon go players than the other way around.

    3. Re:It still has its playability by foradoxium · · Score: 1

      Walking 2-3 miles IS exercise.

      I'm sure there are the "lazy" players who sit their butts on a lured pokestop, but my family will go places with 8-10 pokestops and 2 gyms, and we'll do laps.

      Just like the cheaters there will always be people who try to figure out the lazy way to do things.

  53. Re:Pet Rock by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's the problem: PG isn't very fun. The novelty of throwing virtual spheres at virtual animals quickly wears off and there's pretty much no other content. You catch Pokemon, then you level up and catch slightly stronger Pokemon. Gyms only exist so you can increase the meaningless CP stat on your 'mons even further, still for no actual gain other than making future gym battles easier. Oh, and training at a gym only works well if you're already stronger than the strongest Pokemon in there, making it extra pointless.

    PG has everything it needed to make a big splash upon arrival - but very little staying power courtesy of its extremely simple and sparse gameplay. To compare it with another massively hyped mobile game, Neko Atsume: NA also has very sparse gameplay with extremely low stakes and limited interaction. But still unexpected things happen in that game, there is an antagonist of sorts (TUBBS! *shakes fist*) and it isn't an offshoot of an RPG series built around its deep combat system and strategic teambuilding. NA says "let's get some cats into your backyard so you can take cute pictures of them!" and delivers just that while PG, by virtue of its heritage, has people expecting exciting battles, teambuilding and carefully training of 'mons - all of which are not present.

    In its current state PG is more of a tech demo than an actual game.

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  54. Re:Pet Rock by edtice1559 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    >> Eventually you catch them all and then what? The biggest problem with the game (I walk about 7 miles a day playing, I'm at level 23 which is about 5% of the way through) is that, at first, you are always seeing exciting new Pokemon. But after a while it doesn't feel like you are progressing. Who wants to catch their 1000th Rattata? You can play several hours a day for a week and not see anything new that you haven't caught before. The second-biggest problem is that the game penalizes you for going to natural areas. You can only catch Pokemons walking around city centers and the parking lots of strip malls. Walk a hundred miles in a state park and you'll make practically zero progress. Related to the second issue is that you see people playing on bicycles, motorized vehicles, and other means that are essentially cheating. Who cares if you're just cheating yourself, but if you want to make player interaction this is much harder. If all of the Pokestops and gyms were at places that could only be reached on foot, this could be prevented.

  55. No small wonder by ruir · · Score: 1

    Many of us only downloaded the app to see what was the fuss all about.
    The game is not particularly appellative, the group play is nil, my wife and I wanted to play together, and that really does not work out.
    The pretence of augmented reality is there, but is not the first app using it, and the way they tied it to the game is a joke.
    Plus, if you do not live or work nearby pokestops (I do, at least 4 or 5 pokestops at work), the game is something to forget about. Heck, even with the pokestops at hand, it is b-o-r-i-n-g.
    Honestly, this newspiece does not really caught me off guard.

  56. Re:It is now impossible to play while riding in a by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

    If this were true, it would be a great improvement. The game would be better if it had more mechanisms to ensure that you were actually walking. Not biking. Not riding in a car. Not rollerblading. Not GPS spoofing. But that's a hard problem to solve and takes a lot of infrastructure. The way to solve it would be (a) only have Pokestops in places accessible only on foot (Think unpaved trials in state parks where bikes are prohibited) and (b) have a kiosk there with a rotating code that you have to enter in order to get credit for the stop. That prevents GPS spoofing. Also there should be events like Spartan races with verified participation in order to get stardust. Give out more for the best finishers in the race, but not so much that you discourage those who aren't yet in great physical condition.

  57. Re: Pet Rock by kellymcdonald78 · · Score: 1

    Or Star Trek, Star Wars, Middle Earth, D&D, Battletech, Shadowrun, etc ect ect

  58. Re:Pet Rock by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    "equivalent of the Pet Rock"

    The guy made a million dollars!

  59. Re:Pet Rock by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    And how will those plans survive those "filthy casuals" that will never spend a dime on the game....

  60. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sun is hot....

    No one in the Industry is surprised, this is normal and maybe a bit accelerated due to how they have handled issues, and not added anything to drive reaquistion.

  61. Another one bites the dust by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    just like the bossa nova, disco, macarena.

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  62. Game sucks but I'm addicted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couldn't really tell you why. I think it's just "fun" to catch a new one or a great one. The game is ridiculously frustrating but once I catch a good one, I'm hooked again.

    captcha: fervor

  63. POKEMON GO ENGAGEMENT WINDOWS 10 ANNIVERSARY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All FBI bullshit stories on FBI Slashdot.

    1. Re:POKEMON GO ENGAGEMENT WINDOWS 10 ANNIVERSARY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pokemon is for little kids aged like 3-5. Just seeing it on Slashdot should tell you it is bullshit.

      Have your 3-5 year olds read FBI Slashdot lately?

  64. Predicted by: by meerling · · Score: 1

    Everyone predicted this outcome.
    Especially due to the limitations and bias against new players and non-whales.

  65. I Caught a Harambe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only, I didn't use Pokemon GO. I used a rifle.

  66. Thankfully, I can do more than one thing by enjar · · Score: 2

    I like playing Pokemon Go. It's something I can do when I have a few minutes to myself. I can also go walk around local parks and attractions with my wife or the whole family. Even my mom thought it was fun. We had a great time on vacation with it, whereas the kids might have complained about "being bored" on a hot day, they loved to go to the park and wander around catching Pokemon. It's a scavenger hunt that you can play alone or with others. I've spent a grand total of $5 on it, which is pretty good for something that provided hours of entertainment.

    It's harder to play when I've got to work, and the kids are going back to school so we don't have as many opportunities to play. I'm betting less people play in the wintertime, anyway, since in many temperate zones you aren't going to want to be outside for hours when it's raining, snowing and generally unpleasant.

    There are many directions they can take this game, and they can add new features like trading, PvP, etc. When new features come out, people can dust off their old accounts and re-engage, just in time for the spring/summer -- or maybe they roll out the features in the winter when there's likely to be less people playing.

    1. Re:Thankfully, I can do more than one thing by antdude · · Score: 1

      I like checking out the maps to see what gyms, etc. There are tons of stuff I have never seen before! :O

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    2. Re:Thankfully, I can do more than one thing by enjar · · Score: 1

      Oh, totally. Now when I have a few minutes to kill I get out my phone and roam around rather than just sitting in the car bored. I've found interesting stuff in my town I never knew existed. The other big magic is that it drew my eight year old out on 95+ degree humid summer days to go to the park and get some exercise rather than saying it was too hot and having to drag her there.

    3. Re:Thankfully, I can do more than one thing by antdude · · Score: 1

      Or if you have a dog and your dog does this: http://static.boredpanda.com/b... ... ;)

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  67. Re:It is now impossible to play while riding in a by shadowrat · · Score: 1

    idiot drivers can just hit "I am a passenger" and merrily proceed to kill themselves and others around them.

    indeed, but niantic's legal department is satisfied that they had to intentionally bypass that screen to do so.

  68. Re:Pet Rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody mod this all the way up.

    At first I felt a little left out because my phone is too old for it. But after I read more about what it actually was and talked to people, I realized it was about as similar to the game I knew and loved in high school (had enough classmates to battle so it was pretty fun) as JJTrek is to Star Trek.

    If somebody ever wants to make an AR Pokemon game, I'd be all over it.

  69. Re:Pet Rock by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    "Videogames are not meant to be useful. At all."

    This is as ignorant as the statement you replied to.

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  70. Re:Pet Rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The second-biggest problem is that the game penalizes you for going to natural areas. You can only catch Pokemons walking around city centers and the parking lots of strip malls.

    For your average adult, I agree with you. However, I don't think we want solo children wandering alone into "natural areas."

    Well, unless you're the type that hands a kid an old Army Basic Survival guide, blindfolds them, drops them off in the middle of the wilderness and says "Good luck, kid."

  71. It was unnatural by johanw · · Score: 1

    Nerds getting outside and walking large distances is just not natural: we need to be behind our monitors, inside. However the normal situation is restoring itself. When autumn comes with lots of rain numbers will drop even more.

    1. Re:It was unnatural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...or they realised that it was all a cruel trick to get them out into fresh air and get some exercise.

  72. Charts still show high number of users by Bratch · · Score: 1

    The charts I saw earlier appear to show a very rapid increase, but a very slow decline, that may continue, depending on future releases. As of now it looks like it peaked at roughly 45 million players, and is down to around 35 million now, still very many.

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  73. Not Counter-Strike by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Until you make a game that requires practice and skill to be competitive, you won't have the staying power of games like CS and SC. People have been playing the original CS for over 15 years, and the new games are essentially the same game mechanics repackaged to keep us from buying a game once and playing it for 15 years.

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  74. When does school start where you live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where I live school started August 11th and millions of school age children can't wander around all day catching pokemon now they have reading, writing, and math to do. I bet it picks up durning the weekends and school holidays. It's just an obvious trend.

  75. You know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the saddest thing about your post isnt the dorky Pokaman shit - it's how you've come to view a shiny, chinky toy with stupid baby ga-ga names as somekind of "centerpiece" for your family to gather around.

    "We go to waterfalls" is where i lold most tho.

    "We go to waterfalls to catch chinky cartoon shit, and build embarrassing memories around some asian nerd fetish

    ty

  76. Re:Pet Rock by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

    That's the problem: PG isn't very fun.

    It CAN'T BE fun!

    It it was fun, people would actually play it to progress instead of buying pokeballs from the shop.

    Now, tor a game to be successful, it has to be some boring grind that people would want to pay for to avoid.....

    And that's why we can't have nice things.

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  77. Re:Pet Rock by Outta_the_way_peck! · · Score: 1

    Related to the second issue is that you see people playing on bicycles, motorized vehicles, and other means that are essentially cheating..

    I would agree with you if not for the fact the game already shorts you on distance when travelling by foot. I used to play on my easy runs (7-8mph) and would only get credit for about 30% of the distance I ran towards my eggs.

    My biggest problem with the game was the instability. Game would crash half the time I tried to battle/train at gyms. Even being near too many of the gyms caused problems. Also there changes to the capture and flee rate drove me nuts. Having 100CP Weedles breaking out of 3-4 super balls and then fleeing gets old really quick.

  78. Re:Pet Rock by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

    I don't think there was a change here. In many games as you level up, it gets easier to take on weaker characters. In Pokemon Go the higher level your trainer, the more likely the Pokemon are to break free. But I think this has been consistent since the beginning.

  79. Re:Pet Rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More like two or three. And that was back in the 70s when a million dollars meant something.

  80. Broken update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At one point a few weeks in, an update reset the game for some users. My daughter was affected.

    Up until that point, she and her friends were playing every available moment, and she was good at it. Didn't buy anything, didn't need to. She was so disappointed when the game reset, quit cold turkey. Has since moved on to other games as have her friends. No one bothered to contact support, just stopped playing.

    Rule #1: test your code carefully before releasing into the wild.

  81. Re:Pet Rock by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

    TBH, when I played I chucked away balls by the dozen. Way more pokestops than 'mons to catch where I live.

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  82. Re:Pet Rock by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    I don't think there was a change here. In many games as you level up, it gets easier to take on weaker characters. In Pokemon Go the higher level your trainer, the more likely the Pokemon are to break free. But I think this has been consistent since the beginning.

    That's because you find pokemon that are higher leveled as you become higher level. And the balls don't level up as the pokemon do.

    There is an xpose mod that shows you the level of the pokemon and the likelihood of catching it with each type of ball.

  83. The bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once they banned all the bots, they realized few people were actually playing.

  84. Re:Pet Rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Gyms only exist so you can increase the meaningless CP stat on your 'mons even further, still for no actual gain other than making future gym battles easier.

    When does that happen? Training only increases the reputation score of the gym, possibly freeing up slots for your teammates to defend it, and gives you XP.

    Oh, and training at a gym only works well if you're already stronger than the strongest Pokemon in there, making it extra pointless.

    That, or you just happen to have learned to dodge and have a pokemon with "suitable," effective attack.