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World's Largest Aircraft Crashes Its Second Flight (theverge.com)

Not too long after it completed its first test flight, the Airlander 10 -- the world's largest aircraft -- has crashed its second test flight. Since the 300-foot long aircraft contains 38,000 cubic meters of helium inside its hull, the crash was all but sudden. You can see in a video posted to YouTube from witnesses on the ground that the aircraft slowly descended to the ground, nose first. The BBC has published some close-up photos of the cockpit, which sustained damages. There were no injuries in the crash, according to a tweet from Hybrid Air Vehicles. The company did also deny eyewitness reports of the aircraft being damaged in a collision with a telegraph pole.

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  1. well, at least the W10 update didn't do it by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    or did it?

  2. Crash is in the eye of the exaggerator by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    the aircraft slowly descended to the ground, nose first.

    It seems clear why this will leave less of an impact historically than the Hindenburg.

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    1. Re:Crash is in the eye of the exaggerator by Rei · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I saw in some of the pictures from earlier a big gash in the envelope that they were putting a temporary patch on. And the crash ripped open the compartment that contains a lot of electronic equipment.

      That would have been an unpleasant day with hydrogen. :

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  3. As did all the others. by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2

    Every other blimp/helicopter hybrid crashed pretty early on, so this is hardly unexpected. The fundamental problem with all lighter than air craft has been landing, taking off, or being handled on or near the ground. It is an intrinsic weakness that cannot be overcome.

    1. Re:As did all the others. by Rei · · Score: 1

      A design like Airlander 10 is fundamentally a lot more resistant to the common problems that plague blimps during landing, such as susceptability to winds. It has less inherent lift, a smaller cross section, and more ability to anchor itself down with its fans. However, something clearly did not function correctly here. A blimp should never nose down like that. Either lift or thrust was for some reason configured wrong.

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    2. Re: As did all the others. by Rei · · Score: 1

      Hmm, actually from rewatching it, maybe it was still in its descent phase. It's common to point downwards and power the craft down to the ground, and then level out when you near the ground. Maybe they had unexpected momentum or loss of low speed maneuvering ability...

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    3. Re:As did all the others. by fred911 · · Score: 1

      "The fundamental problem with all lighter than air craft has been landing, taking off, or being handled on or near the ground"

      In any aircraft, flying is easy. It's only the mandatory part of flying that's hard, landing.

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    4. Re:As did all the others. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Yes but in a lot of ways this is technologically inferior to what the Italians had in 1926.
      It's more of a blimp than the Norge or Italia. The "hybrid" bit is hype because tiltable engines have been a feature of blimps and airships all along.
      Shiny new materials and a different lifting gas but it's still an awkwardly shaped balloon with engines attached.

    5. Re:As did all the others. by fnj · · Score: 1

      A design like Airlander 10 is fundamentally a lot more resistant to the common problems that plague blimps during landing, such as susceptability to winds

      Highly debatable, and never proved.

      It has less inherent lift

      Not significantly. At most it has 1.7 times the mass of an equal volume of air. A blimp has close to 1.0 times. An airplane such as the 747 has over 200 times. The Airlander's susceptibility to wind influence during landing is very, very nearly the same as a blimp, and nothing whatever like an airplane. And its flattened shape has the added excitement possibility of dangerous rolling, which is completely absent in a blimp.

      a smaller cross section

      Wrong. For a given enclosed volume, the blimp shape has a smaller head-on cross section, smaller vertical cross section, and only slightly higher wideways cross section. Even if you reduce the enclosed volume by the ratio of 1.7, the difference made would be very slight.

      and more ability to anchor itself down with its fans.

      Wrong. The Airlander 10 has nothing more than pneumatic skids for landing gear. The Airlander 50 is supposed to get a full air cushion with the added cpability of suction, but that idea has never been tested under realistic conditions. Gust forces on an airship held stationary on the ground are enormous. Suction pads with enough strength to overcome them could easily induce the hull fabric to tear wide open.

    6. Re: As did all the others. by fnj · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What is NOT common, what no pilot would ever do, is to keep the elevators in down-ship position all the way until the thing has crashed into the ground. Watch the video. My guess is control system failure.

    7. Re: As did all the others. by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

      After the crash, the rotatable thruster goes from thusting the nose down position to thrust tilted upward.

      Looks a bit like a really late flare.

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    8. Re: As did all the others. by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      He was playing Pokemon Go.

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    9. Re: As did all the others. by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      Gotta catch em all!

      Ooo, this airfield is a pokestop, I better spin it one more time before landing.

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  4. Article Needs Tag by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Oh, the humanity!"

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    1. Re:Article Needs Tag by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 1

      Boo! Too soon!

    2. Re:Article Needs Tag by cmiller173 · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Article Needs Tag by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

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      That is SO wrong. As someone who has been using various FOSS since before it was FOSS, LMFTFY:

      Have gnu, will travail.

  5. Aircraft? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Call that an airship, or something, please. Even though this picture reminds me of a very flexible girlfriend of mine.

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    1. Re:Aircraft? by dougmc · · Score: 2

      There are several terms that could be used, but calling it an "aircraft" is completely accurate.

      And as for that picture ... damn, son!

    2. Re:Aircraft? by zrobotics · · Score: 1

      Aircraft is an apt description, as helicopters also qualify as aircraft. What it isn't is an airplane, but they are not trying to call it one.

    3. Re:Aircraft? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      [back shape] reminds me of a very flexible girlfriend of mine.

      That's the last view you saw of her, eh?

      Must have been your "I do Wookies" tattoo.

    4. Re:Aircraft? by fnj · · Score: 2

      Airplanes, helicopters, and airships are all aircraft, Skippy.

    5. Re:Aircraft? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Actually it is an IFO.

    6. Re:Aircraft? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      It's a craft, it goes it the air, therefore...

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    7. Re: Aircraft? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Was she also filled with helium?

      That would explain Harley Quinn's voice.

  6. 38,000 cubic meters of helium? by irrational_design · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't helium that same stuff needed for MRI machines that I keep hearing is in short supply?

    1. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The helium shortage is a myth! It is a lie perpetuated by Big Noble Gas to drive up prices!

      WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

    2. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because capitalism and/or free markets rarely if ever work correctly?

    3. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium? by Rei · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium? by Trogre · · Score: 2

      Should have used Hydrogen.

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    5. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium? by stephanruby · · Score: 5, Informative

      An MRI machine needs 1,700 litres of liquid helium, which needs to be topped off regularly. That's the equivalent of 12,724 cubic meters. The airship needs 38,000 cubic meters of helium, which I assume also needs to be topped off regularly.

      In other words, the airship uses Helium at the rate of three MRI machines (according to my layman calculation). I'm not making a judgement one way or another. I just wanted to quantify the comparison.

    6. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      We can fill it with hydrogen if you want cheap out

    7. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium? by Jon+Peterson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The helium market is more complicated than people think. MRIs and superconductors need very pure helium, often in liquid form. Party balloons and (I assume) airships don't. So when helium becomes contaminated with air (which it does very easily) what do you do? Answer, you mainly vent it to the atmosphere, because your average research institute or hosptial can't possibly afford to install the equipment to recover pure (and possibly liquid) helium (what they need) from a helium-air gas mix. It makes more sense to sell the helium-air mix to balloon and airship manufacturers.

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    8. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Isn't helium that same stuff needed for MRI machines that I keep hearing is in short supply?

      1. MRI needs high purity helium. Airships do not.
      2. Helium reserves are running out. That's because the government is flooding the market with it for cheap and because of that price no one is capturing it.
      3. A large portion of helium originated from mining for natural gas. We still mine for natural gas. We were producing more helium in the 70s than we were doing now purely due to economics. The government wanted it in the 70s which made it economical. If the price rises it will be economical to increase production which is the same as the peak oil myth.

      In general, we'll be fine for the foreseeable future.

    9. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium? by aliquis · · Score: 2

      We can fill it with hydrogen if you want cheap out

      Put the ship on dihydrogenoxide instead. You don't live near a source? Move?!

    10. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Isn't helium that same stuff needed for MRI machines that I keep hearing is in short supply?

      That kind of thinking is so sixty days ago.

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    11. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      And, I bet it costs more to purify and liquefy the helium for MRI machines than it does for the gas itself.

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    12. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You forgot the Liquid to Gas conversion.

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  7. 38,000 cubic meters of helium inside its hull by nimbius · · Score: 1, Interesting

    the real tragedy here is not the crash, but the fact that 38000 cubic meters of a very rare gas used for everything from advanced medical diagnostics to research into superconductors and even nuclear fusion is squandered into a single aircraft that cant be bothered to run through a computational fluid thermodynamics simulation before enjoying public humiliation.

    im sure it sounds callous, but i hope this thing takes a life next time because clearly no ones thought through the ramifications of such a wasteful endeavour.

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    1. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium inside its hull by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      the real tragedy here is not the crash, but the fact that 38000 cubic meters of a very rare gas used for everything from advanced medical diagnostics to research into superconductors and even nuclear fusion is squandered into a single aircraft that cant be bothered to run through a computational fluid thermodynamics simulation before enjoying public humiliation.

      im sure it sounds callous, but i hope this thing takes a life next time because clearly no ones thought through the ramifications of such a wasteful endeavour.

      I am sure they were doing it to lower the carbon footprint of air travel and fight Global Warming,

    2. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium inside its hull by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      the real tragedy here is not the crash, but the fact that 38000 cubic meters of a very rare gas used for everything from advanced medical diagnostics

      Let me stop you right there and start correcting you before you even finish your sentence.

      1. 38000 cubic meters is not a lot of helium. It's about the same as used in a big MRI machine, maybe a tad more. But two small MRI machines already use more gas than this.
      2. Helium is such a very rare gas that we vent it to the atmosphere as a byproduct of extracting natural gas from the ground. It's such a rare gas that we can extract close to 2 orders of magnitude more of it from the air than some other noble gasses. Basically it's not rare at all.

      If you were remotely concerned about helium you'd be attacking the people who use it for cryogenic freezing of lines, or for welding, or those who vent it to atmosphere because they couldn't be screwed capturing / purifying it (which doesn't make economic sense anyway), not this airship which has used a pittance of the total helium used for lifting purposes which is using somewhere about 10% of the worlds helium supply and doesn't rely on high purity like your medical machines do.

    3. Re:38,000 cubic meters of helium inside its hull by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      very rare gas

      Uhh... even on Earth it isnt that rare, otherwise we would not be putting it in party balloons.

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  8. When will they learn? by sycodon · · Score: 1

    Building these things that are at the mercy of the elements is a bad idea.

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    1. Re:When will they learn? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Informative

      Building these things that are at the mercy of the elements is a bad idea.

      This is the set of all things.

      Now get out of my cave.

    2. Re:When will they learn? by execthis · · Score: 1

      LOL exactly what I was thinking!

    3. Re:When will they learn? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Because no airplane ever crashed from wind/air?

    4. Re:When will they learn? by runningduck · · Score: 1

      No to mention all that wasted helium. People should be aware that helium is a non-renewable resource and there are signs that it is becoming scarce.

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    5. Re:When will they learn? by rossdee · · Score: 1

      Some people refer to solar power as 'renewable'/ It is not but it will continue converting Hydrogen to Helium for a few billion years or so.

    6. Re:When will they learn? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I think I'd rather lose the party balloons than the experiments in airships.

    7. Re:When will they learn? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Do we? Helium is so worthless because it is common that most oil wells just vent it into the air. Helium is quite common in the Earth's crust, it really isn't as rare as you might think.

      The only Helium shortage we are experiencing is that the US national reserve might run out since they are selling it off as fast as possible.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  9. Oh The Humanity by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    Blimps suck, actual news at 11.

  10. OH THE... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...drums fingers ... ...checks watch ...
    *cough* ... ...ties shoelaces ... ... ...
    HUMANITY!

    1. Re:OH THE... by execthis · · Score: 1

      OH THE... (Score:0)

      by Anonymous Coward on 2016-08-24 17:07 (#52765709)

      ...drums fingers ... ...checks watch ...

      *cough* ... ...ties shoelaces ... ... ...

      HUMANITY!
       

      LMAO I nominate this for Funniest Post of the Year!

  11. Capitalism! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the real tragedy here is not the crash, but the fact that 38000 cubic meters of a very rare gas used for everything from advanced medical diagnostics to research into superconductors and even nuclear fusion is squandered into a single aircraft that cant be bothered to run through a computational fluid thermodynamics simulation before enjoying public humiliation.

    im sure it sounds callous, but i hope this thing takes a life next time because clearly no ones thought through the ramifications of such a wasteful endeavour.

    Hypothetically speaking, suppose someone offered you a job at that company (and you lived near enough for an easy commute, and so on) for $100,00/yr. Would you take it?

    Or would you refuse, knowing that the helium could be put to better use in other ways?

    Now suppose you own an MRI company. Do you spend part of your profits purchasing stores of Helium for future use, or do you pocket the profits (or give it to shareholders) and hope that societal pressure will fix the problem sometime in the future?

    Or that governments will step in and do something about the Helium supply?

    Welcome to capitalism.

    1. Re:Capitalism! by blindseer · · Score: 1

      It is capitalism that will likely save the helium. If it is as rare as people say then the price will reflect that, that's capitalism.

      As prices rise the ability for people to afford helium for things like airships diminishes. As prices rise it becomes affordable for people to invest in new ways to obtain helium and pay for ways to prevent it being lost.

      If we have the government dictate that no one can use helium for fuel saving airships like this then you have tyranny.

      Seems rather unfair that we must choose between economic freedoms and having cheap helium for MRIs, doesn't it? Well, life is not fair.

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    2. Re:Capitalism! by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      The helium supply issues aren't due to capitalism, they're due to the US government fucking around with their massive stockpile they're supposed to be selling off.

    3. Re:Capitalism! by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      The helium supply issues aren't due to capitalism, they're due to the US government fucking around with their massive stockpile they're supposed to be selling off.

      Rubbish. The helium supply issues are due to the fact that helium continuously escapes from the atmosphere into space, and is frittered away wastefully on toys such as party balloons and blimps.

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    4. Re:Capitalism! by hey! · · Score: 1

      But most helium is produced as a by-product of natural gas production, no? So you've got to either store it, use it, or vent it.

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    5. Re:Capitalism! by toddestan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, quite the opposite. The cost of Helium depends not on how rare it is, but how much it costs to extract it from the ground. Since it's actually a byproduct of natural gas production, the cost of extracting it is cheap (basically, free) and the main cost is actually the cost of separating it from the methane, storage, and transport. Because of this, a lot of helium isn't even captured and instead is vented to the atmosphere, where it eventually escapes to space. Why? Because capitalism. It's not profitable to capture it, so it's not captured. Nevermind that it's a non-renewable resource used for many important applications that has no substitute available. So Helium is cheap, until all of sudden it won't be.

    6. Re:Capitalism! by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Store it, we have a winner. It is no great trick to find a capitalist willing to store a commodity that is certain to appreciate in value substantially in the future.

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    7. Re:Capitalism! by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      How cool is that?

      Room temperature.

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    8. Re:Capitalism! by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      There is over a billion cubic metres of helium stored by the US government. The price fluctuations are due to them saying they were going to sell it all off, then not selling at the rate they said.

    9. Re:Capitalism! by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Except in this case, no helium escaped in the crash.
      I'm sure they can make the next crash better though.

    10. Re:Capitalism! by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      If it was pressurised at ambient temperature then you let it all out, it would be colder than ambient temperature.

    11. Re:Capitalism! by Keybounce · · Score: 1

      The cost of Helium depends not on how rare it is, but how much it costs to extract it from the ground.

      The price point in economics depends on *many* things, but to a first approximation, it depends on supply and demand.

      Supply, to a first approximation, depends on expected demand, expected selling price, and production cost.

      If the expected selling price is higher than "the cost of separating it from the methane, storage, and transport", then there will be all the helium you want at that price. And the increase in supply will both lower the selling price and increase usage, until a stable point is reached.

      If, however, a government reserve is being sold off for cheap, then the expected selling price is deflated, and the cost of producing more is too much; at that point, no new supply occurs until the reserve stops selling cheaply.

      Someone who knows econ really really well can go into a lot more details. But basically, you want to compare "the cost of separating it from the methane, storage, and transport" to "what I think I can sell it for given the amount people are currently paying".

      "Capitalism" is not "free market". "Free market" is all about finding the most efficient use of resources. "Capitalism" is all about controlling access to the market to those with the capital to access the market. (Again: First approximations. Not intended to start a flame/troll war).

  12. Telegraph (?) Pole by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Really? They flew into a telegraph pole? When were they flying it, 1937?

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    1. Re:Telegraph (?) Pole by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Really? They flew into a telegraph pole? When were they flying it, 1937?

      I watched the video and distinctly heard someone say "Oh, the humanity!"

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    2. Re:Telegraph (?) Pole by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Could have been a semaphore tower, just sayin'

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    3. Re: Telegraph (?) Pole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes. It hit 88 mph though briefly momentarily causing a rip in time where it was damaged by a telegraph pole. Dr. Brown who led the test flight was reportedly thrilled with the outcome saying "this should be much safer than the DeLorean."

    4. Re:Telegraph (?) Pole by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, in the US, a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... carying power and no telephone lines at all would be most commonly referred to as a "telephone pole", silly brits, using inaccurate language differently than we do.

    5. Re:Telegraph (?) Pole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In many countries such poles are called 'telegraph' poles. It's historical, it hurts no-one and there is no point calling them anything else, such as 'telephone' polls, which might be just as old fashioned these days.

    6. Re:Telegraph (?) Pole by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      At least when we call them telephone poles, it is conceivable that a telephone cable could be attached to it. I have seen telegraph lines before, and last I checked, they were not actually used anymore. Do you commonly receive telegrams?

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    7. Re:Telegraph (?) Pole by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The name applies to the style of pole, not what it's used for. Exactly the same as the US.

    8. Re:Telegraph (?) Pole by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      The telegraph poles I have seen look nothing like utility poles, but if you think they look alike, good on you.

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    9. Re:Telegraph (?) Pole by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Then link to a picture of what you think a telegraph pole looks like. They *are* utility poles, so to say they don't look like utility poles, while being utility poles makes me think you are lying to feel like you won an argument nobody was having.

    10. Re:Telegraph (?) Pole by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      The only time I have seen telegraph poles was along I-70 in Maryland, down near Big Pool. They used glass insulators, and it was shaped like an upside down "L".

      I am not lying, but no, I have no pictures, as stopping on highways like that to take pictures is an unwise decision. I am not trying to argue, I just think that calling them telegraph poles, after an archaic and outdated technology is odd, as you don't really see actual telegraph lines much anymore, they are a rather rare thing.

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  13. Terminally Twerked Towards Terrain by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    Ow, my butt!

  14. Videos of slow things crashing by Pollux · · Score: 1

    After watching the video, it reminded me of other things crashing very, very slowly. Though this one wasn't quite as entertaining.

  15. Re:What is it really? by execthis · · Score: 1

    How does this thing qualify as an "aircraft" rather than "airship"?

    I totally agree. That was the lamest crash vid I've ever seen.

  16. Re:Ground crewing issue. by Rei · · Score: 1

    Regardless of how much ground crew (an expense, by the way, that Airlander is designed to minimize) you have, blimps are not supposed to land nose down. This is a Problem(TM) that needs to be investigated and fixed.

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  17. Re:Total Waste of a Rare and Valuable Resource by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Wasted? It's still all contained in the airship. If someone needs it for another use, they can buy it.

  18. Oh the poor golfers... by pinzvidz · · Score: 1

    ...fucked their game well and truly!

  19. Re:Actually... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

    Airships are marvellous, nearly perfect aircraft for applications where speed is not vital and severe weather is not an issue.

    So, never?

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  20. And there was an Earth shattering "ga-boing"! by Photonmaker · · Score: 1

    When a fully inflated lighter than air-ship crashes, does it bounce?

    This is what used to be LEMV (long endurance multi-intelligence vehicle). Very expensive attempt at long-loiter reconnaissance. Cost the US tax payer many many millions, and was cancelled and the thing was sold back the original builder for $301k. https://www.flightglobal.com/n.... Reminds me of the telcom bubble back in the early 2000's except this was a bubble of helium.

    Oh, and the helium thing - possibly overrated - more found: http://www.wired.com/2016/06/d.... Also it can be a by-product of natural gas production, just a low percentages.

  21. I know what this means by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ryanair is going to order fifty of them.

  22. Re:rough landing by haruchai · · Score: 1

    They call this thing the world's largest aircraft but it's TINY compared to the Hindenburg

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  23. Less power than a Zeppelin by dbIII · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes but still a step below the semi-rigid airships like the Italians had in the 1920s (Norge, Italia) or the rigid airships, both of which have smaller relative cross section again.
    The bit about fans doesn't sound like anything new to be honest the engines are less powerful there are less of them so don't add up to the same thrust as was seen in airships which had engines that could pivot in a similar way to this. One airship of the 1920s had five engines - each 410 kW (550 hp). Airlander 10 apparently has four x 350 hp.

    1. Re:Less power than a Zeppelin by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Modern propeller blade designs are much more efficient

      Yes but not 200% or more better :)

  24. Akron + Macon by dbIII · · Score: 1

    more ability to anchor itself down with its fans

    A quick wikipedia search show that the USS Akron had eight Maybach VL-II 560 hp (420 kW) engines while the Airlander 10 has four x 350 hp engines.
    It's a step in front of some other current small blimps but has less ability to thrust itself down than airships of the past.

    1. Re:Akron + Macon by fnj · · Score: 1

      Did you also perhaps notice that Akron had 5 times the enclosed volume of the Airlander? Five times as big but only three times the engine power.

  25. Hindenbutt by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Hindenbutt: Oh the huge-fannity!

    1. Re:Hindenbutt by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      Hindenbutt: Oh the huge-fannity!

      And if it was ALSO a Conservative Talk-Radio host, it would be "Oh, the Sean Hannity. . . . "

    2. Re:Hindenbutt by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Rush Lindenburgh

    3. Re:Hindenbutt by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      What's the difference between the Hindenburg and Rush Limbaugh?

      One is a huge Nazi gasbag, the other is an Airship.

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  26. Re:Cockpit by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Rename it "Butty McButtface"

  27. Re:Ground crewing issue. by z0idberg · · Score: 1

    That's great if you only want to land where a ground vehicle already exists.
    Somewhat limiting requirement though don't you think?

    Although I'm sure you thought of that already down the pub with your napkin.

  28. Re:What is it really? by fnj · · Score: 2

    Because an airship is a type of aircraft, ignoramus.

  29. Weight of lighter than air vehicles by dbIII · · Score: 1
    Did you notice it had a very different cross section and was much stiffer so would be loaded differently by wind and movement in general?
    It's a bit hard to do a comparison on anything other than raw thrust especially since the weight is going to be around the same once the things are full of gas.
    On a still day the Akron or any of the others would have far "more ability to anchor itself down with its fans" than the Airlander even if they would perform differently in other ways.

    Did you also perhaps notice that Akron had 5 times the enclosed volume of the Airlander

    That's kind of one of my points about the hype. Good on them for doing this but all the hype about it being an amazing new thing that Grandad would goggle at is a bit much.
    I'll add that calling this a "crash", like the journalists have been, is a bit like calling a ship that hits a dock hard and does some damage a "sinking".

    1. Re:Weight of lighter than air vehicles by fnj · · Score: 1

      Both rigid and nonrigid airships in operation are so close to infinite structural rigidity (no significant deformation under operating loads; not infinite strength) that there is no difference in reaction to gusts. As to the difference in cross section, what is the point specifically?

      I think there is more similarity to smashing the Staten Island ferry into the dock - something that has been done more than once. They are both crashes. Nothing whatever to do with sinking. On 6 May 1956, the battleship USS Wisconsin collided with the destroyer escort USS Eaton. That was a crash. Neither vessel sank. On 1 February 1944, the battleships USS Washington and USS Indiana collided. That was a crash. Neither vessel sank. A car can't quite stop in time and rear-ends another car. There may be only minor bumper damage to each, and certainly neither one sinks, but you better believe it is a crash.

    2. Re:Weight of lighter than air vehicles by dbIII · · Score: 1

      As to the difference in cross section, what is the point specifically?

      Wind loading and wind resistance relate to that.

  30. Re:rough landing by SpinyManiac · · Score: 1

    The Hindenburg isn't an aircraft. Well, not any more anyway. I know Slashdot is a bit slow reporting news but it caught fire and crashed 80 years ago.

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  31. I forgot to add by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Also it's going to be the profile exposed to wind and not volume that would matter and while that would be larger it's going to be closer to two times than five times - similar to cross sectional area from the direction of wind instead of volume. If the thing is going forward it could be much less since than the current blimp since the Akron etc were much more streamlined and is around the same maximum diameter. Almost pencil versus grid-iron football profile, just a really big pencil as thick as a football.
    On a still day moving down slowly it's not going to be much so is ignorable when there is a very large difference in thrust.

  32. The most amazing part by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most amazing part about that video: they recorded it in Landscape mode!!!

  33. Re:rough landing by michelcolman · · Score: 2

    "Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing."

    Yep, and it's a great landing if they can reuse the plane.

  34. Re: Ground crewing issue. by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 2

    Duh! It carries the ground vehicle with it and drops it by parachute or with a bit of string.

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  35. Safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    did it have airbags?

  36. The crash happened so fast.... by VAXcat · · Score: 1

    They barely had time to polish up all the brightwork, update the log books, phone their friends and family, post about it on facebook, take a leisurely walk around the control cabin, watch some TV and then strap in to wait for the end.

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  37. Glad to Hear the Crew is Safe by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    Which will make the one liner jokes that much more funny.

  38. being underly picky or maybe not? by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    ...the crash was all but sudden.

    Am I the only one who finds this worse than using a double negative?

    "all but sudden"? So every other possibility but sudden? Does that include immediate or instantaneous? Am I the only one here who wasn't sure on first reading whether the crash was quick or slow?

  39. "did also deny" - WTF? by cas2000 · · Score: 1

    Is this an americanism? i.e. the use of 'did' to clumsily change a present-tense verb into past-tense, instead of just using the past-tense form of the verb (e.g. 'denied' rather than 'did deny' or 'also denied' rather than 'did also deny').

    At first i thought it was just bad writing, but I've been seeing it a lot lately.

  40. Re:rough landing by haruchai · · Score: 1

    The Hindenburg isn't an aircraft. Well, not any more anyway. I know Slashdot is a bit slow reporting news but it caught fire and crashed 80 years ago.

    Every damn "biggest" ship, plane, tower or building that we've constructed in the past 50 years has been bigger, usually MUCH bigger than anything built 80 or more years ago, so what exactly is your point?
    The legendary structures of yesteryear are ordinary or unremarkable compared to what we're capable of building now.
    The Titanic *might* land somewhere in the bottom half of 100 biggest ever cruise ships; the storied (sorry) Empire State Bldg is 30th tallest

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  41. Re:rough landing by toddestan · · Score: 1

    Not so much with airships. The age of airships is long over and despite the occasional attempt to bring them back, it will probably never return. The Hindenburgs-class of airships still stands as the largest airships ever built and it's likely that record will never be broken.