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Apple, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Sign White House Pledge For Equal Pay (fortune.com)
In honor of Women's Equality Day, an anonymous reader shares with us a festive report from Fortune: More than two months after the White House first announced its Equal Pay Pledge for the private sector, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft and other major industry players have signed on. By taking the pledge, which was first introduced at the United State of Women Summit in June of this year, companies promise to help close the national gender pay gap, conduct annual, company-wide pay analyses, and review hiring and promotion practices. The new signees were announced in a White House statement on Friday -- which also happens to be Women's Equality Day, the anniversary of the ratification of the 19th amendment, which gave women the right to vote. Apple, which announced earlier this year that it has no pay gap, released a statement promising to dig even deeper into compensation. "We're now analyzing the salaries, bonuses, and annual stock grants of all our employees worldwide. If a gap exists, we'll address it," the company said in a statement. Twenty-nine companies signed the pledge on Friday, bringing the total number of signatories to 57. The pledge is part of a $50-million, White House-led initiative to expand opportunities for and improve the lives of women and girls. The consortium members issued a statement via Whitehouse.gov's press release: "The Employers for Pay Equity consortium is comprised of companies that understand the importance of diversity and inclusion, including ensuring that all individuals are compensated equitably for equal work and experience and have an equal opportunity to contribute and advance in the workplace. We are committed to collaborating to eliminate the national pay and leadership gaps for women and ethic minorities. Toward that end, we have come together to share best practices in compensation, hiring, promotion, and career development as well as develop strategies to support other companies' efforts in this regard. By doing so, we believe we can have a positive effect on our workforces that, in turn, makes our companies stronger and delivers positive economic impact." The consortium members include: Accenture, Airbnb, BCG, Care.com, CEB, Cisco, Deloitte, Dow, Expedia, EY, Glassdoor, GoDaddy, Jet.com, L'Oreal USA, Mercer, PepsiCo, Pinterest, Rebecca Minkoff, Salesforce, Spotify, Staples, Stella McCartney, and Visa.
Can they work equal time?
Cause in my experience there's a lot more "oh my children" time given and no "Hey I am a single white male" time compensated.
Fine, as long as it works both ways. There are two women on my team who earn more than me with less qualifications and are on my team solely because they are women. Diversity! I should expect a raise right?
This is the gender-equality version of a promise-ring.
Mostly because the wage gap doesn't exist at all. It's another bullshit myth.
So, did women pledge to work as hard as men do? Did they pledge to take as many overtime hours? Did they pledge to pursue the same risky and physically demanding careers, such as construction or mining?
Circumcision is child abuse.
Yeah, I didn't think so.
What stops you from giving up your job so that the oppressed can work? Why does the progressive left always require other people to suffer to make up for suffering their policies have caused? I'll bet if your livelihood was threatened to support the narrative you would change your tune real quick. Strange how that works Comrade.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ka...
http://www.washingtonexaminer....
http://fortune.com/2016/04/12/...
But hey, you need to keep the plebes riled up.
All of those companies want to pay woman equally alright. Equally shit pay right before they outsource their jobs. Don't be fooled, this women in IT thing is just a way to increase supply and decrease demand/wages. If they really cared about American they wouldn't be colluding to suppress wages and outsource.
what, you didnt think that they were going to give women -raises- did you?
Sounds like a good idea. What I'd like to know is when has there ever been equal pay or equality in anything ? Even when it was just the 'good ole boys' club there were always the ins and the outs. Those that were part of the skull and bones frat scene and those that were not. The nouveau riche https://www.google.com/#q=nouv... vs. the old money vs. the working class. No matter which side of the tracks you were born on equality has always been a struggle.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
"We're required to shove one SJW feminist STEM propaganda piece down our readers throats every week"?
Like the media outlets responsible for #GamerGate, it seems that more and more Slashdot's moderators actively loath their own readers...
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Just thought I should let you know that after this pledge I will always in the back of my mind meet you with the expectation that you are not really qualified to work there, and brought in because of some kind of quota logic... to the ones that are actually competent and/or fantastic workers, I apologize that you must prove yourself even further now because of misguided policy that instead of trying to be gender blind, puts gender forth on a pillar and sets fire to it so that none may ignore.
So a word of advice to women in tech fields entering the workforce - stay away from companies that pander to you, you will be better off for it and have workers that treat you with real respect.
A terribly sexist blow against men and free markets; why won't people learn some basic economics and science behind the sexes?
I think if you read the actual agreement, I suspect it says "We promise to pay women just as much as we pay our male H1-Bs."
Signing some imaginary pledge doesn't change anything - it's already illegal to discriminate via pay.
If women could be earning any less for doing the same job, they would be the first to get hired at every occasion, since you could get away with getting the same quality employee for less. Unfortunately, statistics show that women are simply inferior employees. They are less skilled, less confident, introduce unneeded emotional conflicts, take more sick days, take more maternal leaves, their productivity is lower.
It's almost as if forcing women to do the same work men do was an idiotic, unnatural thing to do, but hey, global capitalism can't function with half of the population not being exploited. It was sold to you under the guise of "freedom" - freedom to be taken advantage of.
Being a single white male is its own reward.
the ERA (link provided for you youngins) stands a better chance at getting ratified in our lifetime than these megacorps actually following through without asking for more h1bs to replace those formerly less-expensive female workers.
for introverts and extroverts.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
As long as they do equal work and not gain their promotions on their backs with their legs in the air
If anyone was serious about this, there would just be a law and hefty fines for non-compliance.
Shows how fucked up the US is.
In the past few decades, I've learned that you will make less money and be discriminated against because of:
- Your age
If you're too young then you must be inexperienced, and if you're too old that means too outdated. I've seen exceptional people get turned down for menial positions, promotions, raises, and laid off. Why? Too old.
- Your sexual orientation
You don't even need to be gay to be perceived to be. Even if your office is "progressive," be prepared to make less if they even suspect that you might be gay. It affects the quality of your work somehow.
- Your weight
Even for a job that requires you to sit on your ass for eight hours, employers will not show much love to fat people.
- Your appearance
Attractive people often make more money. Ugly people almost always make much much less. Also, don't be too "un-white."
- Your marital & parental status
Often, startups want long hours and enterprises want someone who can "settle down." I'm pretty sure my raise was larger once because I had a wedding ring & a kid and my employer rewarded that.
- Not speaking English as your first language
A slight Indian accent atop an otherwise perfect English one can deeply affect your chances to be classified as "one of them" and paid so accordingly.
- The school you graduated from
I've seen a résumé trashed because it was from a UCLA grad. Damn them for getting their doctorate at the wrong place.
- Being non-male
When will people wake up and stop eating up this stuff? The entire notion that there isn't equal pay for equal work is pure crap. If it wasn't crap, all these companies would have been hiring women all the time for every position because they could pay them less.
Lets do a little common sense here, I am a hiring manager and just interviewed two people with very similar qualifications, backgrounds, and work ethic, but one of them I can save ~20% on pay/benefits.... Wow, I wonder who I am hiring...
Wait, but you mean to say that the market doesn't work in this case, that all the financial market theory, best practices, etc., all cease to function once someone introduces the gender of an employee. Go back to college if you still think that (or more to the point go to college in the first place, just make sure you study a STEMS field, apparently we need more of them to drive costs down because we can't hire enough, and thus need more H1Bs, and yet wages are still mostly stagnant...).
We were all warned a long time ago that MS products sucked, remember the Magic 8 Ball said, "Outlook not so good"
Hmm
They're all signing a pledge at a White House that still has a gender pay gap in 2016 under Obama. But of course Trump (who has long paid his female employees equally to his males) is the nasty/bad/evil/racist/bigot. Note: Most media claims to the contrary originate with a Boston Globe report that has as its basis a lawsuit by one temporary and part-time female campaign worker last January, NOT to his decades-long corporate record.
yup
makes sense to me...
The worst workers, as identified by small businesses are: Smokers, Women with children, other women. I can attest to that. I was an ISP from 1998 to 2004, and
smokers took out 10-15 out of every hour to go outside to smoke. Women with children: "Oh, I can't make it to work, I have to go to the school teacher conference", or "My babysitter did not show up" etc. Women in general do not have a good work ethic because to THEM, family and kids come first, and twice as many women are smokers as compared to men.
I'm convince the pay gap is a figment of accounting and statistics. If it were real, there would be a powerful incentive for employers to hire an all-female workforce, because the employers would save lots of money in labor costs (since they'd only be paying ~75% of what an all-male workforce would cost). However that has not happened.
Equal pay for equal work is a nice phrase, but this is not the way the world works. Forget gender for a minute, and think about whether this approach has a chance to work in any situation where we're trying to equalize economic outcomes.
You don't get paid just based on the work you do. The risks you take, your ability to negotiate, and your ability to leverage your existing finances can play a much bigger role in how much money you make than your actual work. This is why investors make more money than management, who make more money than the people doing the work.
This policy of focusing on salary, standardized benefits, and career development worked in the economy a generation or two removed from today. Now, wealth and advancement are generated through job-hopping or maintaining ownership of your work, not annualized salary. I think telling women they'll do well by sticking with one company and fighting for raises and career development is a recipe to create a gender wage gap.
Apples claims there is no gender wage difference between any of their employees, it would be interesting to take the methodology used that showed this wage-gap in the first place and apply it to Apple. Would it still show a gender wage-gap?
They've also promised to stop beating their wives, to stop sending classified government secrets to alien bases on the moons of Jupiter, to stop playing rugby while wearing white gloves and frilly dresses, to stop pulling out workers' fingernails as punishment for not clearing their desks before leaving for the day, and many other practices that they have never done and have no intention of ever doing.
The "Gender pay gap" is not because two equally skilled and experienced people are getting paid different amounts based purely on their genitals, the pay gap is the result of men and women being different, and because they're different they choose different types of work and working hours which affect their income (ie stockbroking vs nursing). Therefore the averages are different, ie on paper there it appears to be a gap when there isn't
The ironic part is that the feminists are too angry to figure this out, thus contributing further to the problem.
Note: If anyone cares, I've worked on payroll systems, with access to real numbers. Some men get paid more than other men for the same job, and some women get paid more than other women. And sometimes women get paid more then men, and other times men get paid more than women. And in even more cases they all get paid about the same. Most of the time it's down to the individual and their ability to negotiate (and most likely not cry like a bitch when they don't get the job/promotion/pay rise).
This is an easy pledge to make, if you pay people based on their education and actual years of experience. Why? Because - if you look at it that way - there is no gender pay gap.
All the studies that show a substantial gender pay gap either (a) equate different professions, or (b) compare people based on their ages.
The first of those is obviously flawed, because different professions are, in fact, different. This includes studies that compare average pay in an entire region, because women and men do tend to congregate in different professions. Exactly why women go into lower paying professions is a complex issue, but really, it doesn't matter. All that's important is that women and men both have the choice to do what they like. If a woman wants to become a civil engineer, or a man wants to work in a kindergarden, those doors should be open. If they are, then there is no problem: people can choose a career that suits them.
It's the second type of study that's more insidious: comparing earnings based on age. More women than men take time off, or work part-time, to raise children. Hence, the average (to pick an age) 40 year old woman will have less experience than the average 40 year old man. Some opportunities may be entirely lost: for example, not being available for a high-intensity or high-travel position may make one ineligible for a later promotion. An alternate approach is to compare women with and without children. What a surprise: women without children earn much more than women with children (article is in German).
So it's easy for companies to pledge to pay women the same as men - because they already do.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
When Tim Cook's Butt-Buddies are guaranteed under their LGBT quota.
Wow thanks, now we can solve the pressing issue of muh equality /s
Meanwhile the companies in question and dodging taxes and exporting jobs / using H1-B in discriminatory fashion. But I'm sure the SJW squad will move onto those issues next... right?
Equal pay for women, equal pay for liars, equal pay for terrorists, equal pay for private email server admins.
Hilary gonna fuck dis shit up.
nobody cares about this sjw crap. are there people stupid enough that they believe a pay gap exists? basic economics and you can prove it doesn't. what a waste of time. this is not the huffpost, editors.
...but that 55 mil only represents 79% of what a male CEO would get, so that makes her a victim of oppression??
Just reduce the wages of male workers.
Slashdot voting up lies and ad hominem.
Shame!
Asians make more on average than everyone else. Tall people make more than short people and attractive people make even more on average. Is this wage gap going to also be addressed?
This is a wet dream for labor unions. By pushing merit out of the pay equation (need to pay everyone equally by position so that there can be no claim of bias), non-union labor is losing one of its biggest advantages to union labor.
This is good news and a good step. Moreover, now we can enjoy the following counters from the waaaambulance crowd:
babies, emotions, crying, death of family, anecdotes of women failing on teams, not naturally rational, babies, higher health insurance burden, can't take a joke, crying babies, discarded children rotting away in daycare, every single woman tech CxO ever, babies crying, etc...
I can't wait to see some new items though from this crowd of strong, confident, self reliant men. This should be a blast!
The only gap that exists is due to women not working the same types of jobs (favouring part-time), the same number of hours (favouring family over work), etc, as men, BY THEIR OWN CHOICE.
all the better to bullshit the fuck out of you, slashdot plebes.
each of those companies is NWO
How will you have equal white house pay when your debt looks like this: usdebtclock.org
They already robbed you and used your monies to pay for the shit they use to surveillance you right now.
Sorry did I fuck up the bullshit?
Wahoo! Now they can cut male salaries 21%
So they'll reduce pay for women in their 20s? Cuz https://www.theguardian.com/mo... is a thing. Or is this all bullshit designed to make them look good without really doing anything?
Equal opportunity is not the same thing as equal outcomes. What you are claiming is that the latter is necessary, but the former is virtually impossible. I make more in my job position than many other people in the same position. I happen to have much more experience, knowledge they lack, a willingness to do what they don't, teach people what they can't, and advise people they would not communicate with. My job, like the overwhelming majority of jobs is not strictly producing X widgets per day. If it were, we would have a way to measure outcomes much more accurately. IN which case we would have like most factories do, and equal pay for equal outcomes.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Perfect excuse to cut pay, bonuses, etc for men.
It's a known fact that Obama doesn't pay women in his white house as much as men. Let's start there instead of with other people's money.
You'd never know this from the 24/7 news coverage of the Ferguson riots et. al., but white violent offenders are slightly more likely to be shot by police than black violent offenders.
So we're pretty close to equal racial treatment right now, but if you want to remove the small remaining discrepancy, you would have to either
âÂdecrease the number of white violent offenders shot, or
â increase the number of black violent offenders shot.
BLM may think that equal racial treatment is its goal, but actually, if it had its way, and fewer black violent offenders were shot by police, racial treatment would become more unequal.
Employers only care about how much $$ you will bring into the business. So if you need a crapton of OT hours to get that done, why should you be celebrated? Someone else, who may happen to be of the opposite sex than you (or not), is capable of making the company a crapton of $$ on 40 hours per week. Do you think the company would give any craps about your overtime? The risks you take or don't take? Unless you are paid hourly, they wouldn't care. My point is that you are using the wrong measure.
also not a choice to just 'get another job' as that does absolutely zero about the problem, and instead perpetuates the bad behavior.