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Today Marks The 50th Anniversary of 'Star Trek' (ew.com)

Dave Knott writes: Today marks the 50th anniversary of the first television broadcast of Star Trek. The first episode of the science fiction series was aired on September 8, 1966. From its humble beginnings, Star Trek has gone on to become one of the best-loved and most successful television concepts of all time, an enduring pop culture touchstone that changed science fiction forever and spawned multiple series and movies that continue to this day. What does Star Trek mean to you? Are you a trekkie/trekker? What are your best memories of the series, and how has it affected your life?

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  1. Before the reboot by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Before the reboot it was awesome.

    I even have books that most trekkers don't know about like "Spock Must Die".

    After the reboot, having kirk and spock looking longingly at each other and Uhura emerging as a the true power in the ship just makes me hope that trek passes away.

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    1. Re:Before the reboot by kylemonger · · Score: 1

      Yes. The reboot has been a great big sack of nothing in terms of social issues. Putting a gay character onscreen a year after gay marriage has been legalized all over the U.S. is hardly daring filmmaking.

    2. Re:Before the reboot by vbraga · · Score: 1

      "Spock Must Die" is awesome!

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    3. Re: Before the reboot by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I think the name was Gorn. The dialog was pure Shakespeare. But I nominate the boulder as best supporting actor.

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    4. Re:Before the reboot by irrational_design · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm the opposite. I watched some episodes from each of the Star Trek TV series and I think I saw most of the movies, but it never really caught my fancy. But I've _really_ enjoyed the rebooted Star Trek movies. Speaking to other I've found that most Trekkies really don't like the Star Trek reboot, while those who were not Trekkies before like the rebooted movies. Maybe that indicates the rebooted movies aren't "real" Star Trek. I don't really know since I've never been a Trekkie ;-)

    5. Re:Before the reboot by joybiswas389 · · Score: 1

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    6. Re:Before the reboot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's because the reboot isn't "Star Trek," it's the cast of One Tree Hill in Starfleet uniforms.

    7. Re:Before the reboot by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Spock Must Die! was a brilliant novel (disclaimer: James Blish fan here). Too bad it could never have been canon, due to locking up the Klingons at the end.

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    8. Re:Before the reboot by rtb61 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Reality is 'Jar Jar A' pretty much killed Star Trek with the crap he produced (not dumbed down by the way, simply as smart as he is capable of producing, strictly second set work). As can be seen by the last entry that pretty much every just ignored, why bother, more of the same crap, Star Trek is dead, we need a new anniversary for it's funeral. Jar Jar is now killing off Star Wars, nepotism, pays for more PR=B$ in main stream media, than anything else, trying to make incompetent spawn look great. How many picked up on the change in box office revenue where package deals (junk food and even premium food in upmarket cinemas, sales) where included in the revenue claims, to hugely inflate them (basically tripling the numbers), typical main stream media PR=B$ nepotism.

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    9. Re:Before the reboot by dbIII · · Score: 1

      After the reboot, having kirk and spock looking longingly at each other and Uhura emerging as a the true power in the ship

      Weird and a waste of time on every level IMHO. In the original Uhura, Scotty and so on were all awesome at what they did which is enough for everyone who doesn't want to put their "mark" on the story by adding an unlikely twist.
      To me it seems like stuff that would have been hounded out of fanfiction ended up in the recent movies.

    10. Re:Before the reboot by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Informative

      Maybe that indicates the rebooted movies aren't "real" Star Trek. I don't really know since I've never been a Trekkie ;-)

      Hey, you figured it out. It's not that you like the new Star Trek and don't really care for the old Star Trek -- it's that you just don't like Star Trek. But you like action sci-fi movies, and these just happen to have characters and settings that were borrowed from Star Trek.

    11. Re:Before the reboot by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Fans of the two are very different. The new movies are just action flicks set in space. The originals are dramas with big ideas and an interesting model of the future.

      For example, the original shows are post-race, post-feminist, there is no money or personal wealth for most people, Star Fleet is a meritocracy with a nominally military structure but that's as far as it goes. The new movies don't really have any of that, and in fact Uhura has been relegated to the nagging girlfriend.

      You can't really compare the two. And by the way, the original movies mostly suck. Try Next Generation from season 3 or 4 onwards. The Drumhead is one of my favourite episodes, along with Darmock.

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    12. Re: Before the reboot by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You got that backwards, in that scene Shatner is the supporting actor. And he hardly qualifies for "best".

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    13. Re:Before the reboot by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      The reboot feels a lot like a bunch of crappy Mary-Sue fanfic characters thrown together.

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    14. Re:Before the reboot by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 1

      After the reboot, having kirk and spock looking longingly at each other and Uhura emerging as a the true power in the ship

      Weird and a waste of time on every level IMHO. In the original Uhura, Scotty and so on were all awesome at what they did which is enough for everyone who doesn't want to put their "mark" on the story by adding an unlikely twist. To me it seems like stuff that would have been hounded out of fanfiction ended up in the recent movies.

      Are you complaining that it's crappy or are you complaining that the reboot isn't exactly like the original down to the dialog, set designs 1960s special effects and the grainy texture of mid to late 20th century recording technology? I certainly have some issues with the reboot, such as a Cadet Kirk being promoted to captain of one of Star Fleet's capital ships but the reboot still isn't that bad. The original series had some gaping plot holes and various plot defects as well.

    15. Re:Before the reboot by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Are you complaining that it's crappy or are you complaining that the reboot isn't exactly like the original

      Both really.
      Crappy plus a totally different setting where starships can park underwater, belts can teleport you across the galaxy and Klingons are weaklings to beat up on. A vast way from "exactly" - why stay in orbit in hundreds of episodes when you can just land in a lake?
      The reboots are not self-consistent even within the span of an hour or two.

      The reboot depends both on fan memory and then brings in complete rejection of it. The Khan remake is beyond understanding without seeing pre-reboot trek yet depends on being in a totally different universe.
      Instead of doing a totally new story or doing something that could exist in the original setting Abrams just took the earlier story, turned it inside out and backwards then shat all over it. It was amazed that somebody could make a film with that cast and still have it turn out as crap.


      I'm a B5 fan and not a trekkie and really loved Galaxy Quest which shamelessly made fun of Trek, but the Trek reboot is just crap SF feeding off a captive audience IMHO.

    16. Re: Before the reboot by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 1

      With the actor for Chekhov in the reboots dead, and declining revenue and angry fans, the best thing they could do would be to patch up the alternate timeline with a time travel finale to their television show. Then they could go back to the real timeline. Or even the mirror universe would be cool.

    17. Re: Before the reboot by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      People keep saying there was no money. Harry Mudd sold stuff for money all the time.

      Also, the first airing was on September 6th, in Canada, nor September 8th in the US. If US ratings had matched Canadian ratings over the 3 year run, the Enterprise would have completed its 5 year mission. The show had cheesy special effects but it didn't need CGI to distract viewers from lousy (or nonexistent) storylines, or the too-earnest political correctness infusing everything that made me avoid the next generation after 1 episode.

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    18. Re:Before the reboot by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Reality is 'Jar Jar A' pretty much killed Star Trek

      Yes, especially when he regenerated into the Doctor and crashed the Delorean into the side of the Star Gate whilst fleeing Serenity.

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    19. Re:Before the reboot by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Star Trek: Usually explores morality at it's core. Plot built around a moral conundrum. May be fleshed out with action and explosions at times, but really, the show is about exploring humanity more than it is exploring space.

      Reboot Star Trek: Just string a bunch of action sequences together and add a bunch of computer generated graphics. Plot optional.

      I don't have a problem with action movies. Look at how popular the super-hero movies are. Star Trek was never about action and explosions; it was a more thoughtful show. This may have made it rather niche (TNG was criticized as being a show about people sitting in meetings making decisions) and sometimes Star Trek blows chunks (like anytime they try and do romance)- but JJ's Star Trek was simply not Star Trek- it was spiderman in space..

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    20. Re:Before the reboot by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      I think that you are thinking about Gandalf

    21. Re:Before the reboot by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      The reboot is ageist as hell. Everyone's about the same age.

      To be fair, the real ages of most of the principals on TOS were fairly close, but the portrayed ages varied, from the aging Doctor and mature Senior Engineer, to the Captain who's young for his rank and reputation, down to seasoned junior officers and bottoming out with a junior Ensign and Yeoman. And then there's the Vulcan, who's likely on par with Scotty in terms of chronological age, experience and wisdom but presumed biologically pubescent. All of whom have come up through the ranks, though many faster than average.

      In contrast, the reboot is basically a bunch of kids boost a starship. No separate careers coming together over the years, no earned ranks, essentially just a mob of fratboys running into each other all at once.

      It's utterly cringe-worthy.

    22. Re: Before the reboot by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      No he traded commodities, in TOS he traded his slave girls for lithium crystals, not money.

    23. Re:Before the reboot by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Take a look at the remastered versions of TOS before you call their recording technology grainy texture. TNG however was shot on video so there the source material is lacking in quality but not for TOS which was shot on film.

    24. Re:Before the reboot by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Star Trek isn't really suited to movies. There is an ensemble cast and not enough screen time to give most of them any real development or insight. The new ones have the added hindrance of needing to stop for massive action sequences and making it hard to see the actor's faces with bad lighting and fast editing.

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    25. Re:Before the reboot by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      Agree, agree, agree...except for sp of Darmok. ST:TNG before s3 is indeed very tough to watch. Troi in her cheerleader outfit, but even the lighting on the set looks more like Match Game or something. Luckily BBC America still has plenty of re-runs.

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    26. Re:Before the reboot by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      You mean when he was using the Triluminary ?

    27. Re: Before the reboot by LocalH · · Score: 1

      TNG was shot on 35mm. CGI was done on video however.

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    28. Re:Before the reboot by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Are you complaining that it's crappy or are you complaining that the reboot isn't exactly like the original down to the dialog,

      Naw, they're totally Trek-like. That second one really got exactly what I always loved about Spock just perfect: the way he'd fly into a rage and then hold his enemies down and punch them in the face over and over again, almost killing them with his bare hands.

      The original series had some gaping plot holes and various plot defects as well.

      The second reboot movie (Into Darkness) is by far the worst, as there's more hole than plot. But really the new movies are just...bad (the new one, Beyond, is the least bad though). And I mean that just from a Screenwriting 101, story point of view. For instance, in every single damn movie the motivation of the bad guy is "REVENGE!!!!!" I was really hoping that in three movies you could find some conflict in the Star Trek universe that doesn't center around a jilted bad guy who wants revenge against Star Fleet/Humans/Vulcans. Nope.

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    29. Re:Before the reboot by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, Star Trek works maybe better in terms of character development as a series. I mean, look at TNG and how the characters evolved over time. Riker especially. Sure, a lot of it was the actors settling in and getting a "feel" for the character, but it's nice to see that they do develop and get their edges and quirks, and we maybe get to explore their flaws a little and how they might overcome them. That is of course easier done in a weekly 45minute show than in 2 hour movies once in a while.

      But I'm sorry, the "new" enterprise characters are as bland as the TOS characters were. One-dimensional, flawless heroes with zero identification chance. It just doesn't click.

      And them being younger than me didn't really help either. :)

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    30. Re: Before the reboot by phorm · · Score: 1

      Honestly, the movies on their own weren't nearly as cerebral as people seem to remember. A lot of more political stuff was actually in the TV series,but then people have had years to dig and expose political meaning.

      If you dig deep, even the newer movie has some interesting subtexts: treatment of veterans, PTSD, promotion and rank versus being in the action, etc etc

    31. Re:Before the reboot by avgjoe62 · · Score: 1

      To me, two of the best hours ever shown on television are "City on the Edge of Forever" from the original series and "The Inner Light" from the Next Generation. I can forgive a lot of the other drek that aired in TOS and NG for those two episodes alone.

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    32. Re:Before the reboot by Phusion · · Score: 1

      I just rewatched The Inner Light last month and it still holds up. Gotta love a lot of those TNG episodes, the ones after they get rid of that horrible Dr. Polaski and bring on the Bev.

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    33. Re:Before the reboot by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      ... why stay in orbit in hundreds of episodes when you can just land in a lake?

      Or, more specifically, if you're trying to hide from an indigenous species w/o optical technology, like telescopes, why hide in the ocean right next to their town when you can hide in orbit (with less power and potential ship damage) to boot? Other than way-cool special-effects being more important in a JJ Abrams film than, well, anything else.

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    34. Re:Before the reboot by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Dr Polaski wasn't my favourite, but I never liked Dr. Crusher. There was something about her that really irritated me. There's usually one main character on each series that I really don't like.

      I never liked Bones. (OK - this is a stretch... he was OK- but I'm trying to make a point so had to include him)
      I never liked Dr. Crusher. (I think it was her voice)
      I never liked Quark (or any Ferrengi - too flat, stereotyped and cliché)
      I never liked Tom Paris (too cheesy, and probably the worst actor from any series).

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    35. Re:Before the reboot by homes32 · · Score: 1

      Thatt is a book I enjoy very much.

    36. Re:Before the reboot by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      I thought it was Scorpius?

    37. Re:Before the reboot by T.E.D. · · Score: 2

      After the reboot, having kirk and spock looking longingly at each other and Uhura emerging as a the true power in the ship just makes me hope that trek passes away.

      Trek was very transgressive for its day. It doesn't seem like it now, because a lot of their pie-in-the-sky stuff, like women and minorities completely accepted in the workforce, a commitment to diversity as a positive good, respect for other cultures rather than insisting on transforming them into clones of ours, became standard societal orthodoxy in the last 50 years. But back in the 1960's these were really radical ideas. The same year Trek started, freaking George Wallace won 5 states running on a platform supporting Jim Crow. They only got away with putting this on TV by making it obvious fiction (putting it in space).

      If you have big problems with the newest Trek due to it depicting socially transgressive things (homosexual feelings, women with authority), I have to wonder if you would really have been a fan back in 1968 either.

    38. Re: Before the reboot by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Cyrano Jones, in "The Trouble with Tribbles", after giving Uhuru a tribble, says that "A tribble is the only love money can buy." Money is still used in the Star Trek universe.

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    39. Re: Before the reboot by slew · · Score: 1

      People keep saying there was no money. Harry Mudd sold stuff for money all the time.

      The point isn't that people couldn't/didn't use money. It was that the vast majority in the Federation didn't use money because it was a largely post-scarcity society. For things that were still scarce, meritocracy or a simple FIFO with level of rationing was included. In the end, though, there's always people with the means to buy and get ahead of the line.

      Many episodes in TOS point to a currency based system...

      "Mudd's Women", Mudd babbles about miner's being rich enough to buy a planet or a starship...
      "The Devil in the Dark" they also talked about the horta making the operation a 1000 times more profitable and making they embarrassingly rich
      "The Trouble with Tribbles" there were credits for tribbles and drinks...
      "Requiem for Methuselah" asserted Holberg 917-G (the planet) was purchased only thirty years earlier by Brack, a private investor...

      All of this suggests some sort of monetary system that goes along with a socialist system to take care of basic needs with a number of super wealthy private concerns that are mostly heredity. I see no evidence of a Meritocracy or FIFO behavior for scarce resources, but basically a barter economy or cash on the barrel head.

      My theory is that all you see in star trek episodes is the "star-fleet" view of an economy and if you have ever been in the active military in the US, you won't be surprised how some quasi-military economy works. For basic things (food/shelter), the military kind of operates post-scarcity (even though there's lots of scarcity) with on-base housing and PX. There's still currency/money, however, there are many things that you might want and probably can't buy with money in the military and barter (goods and/or influence) is the way to obtain those things. As a result, if you are a lifer, there's less of a reason to accumulate too much money and you spend your time figuring out where you want to be stationed and what type of promotion you want to get before you retire. If you are not a lifer, you either get out quick, or perhaps, spend your time making your self a nice landing zone for when you resign and use (or abuse) your military-contacts as a private concern...

      That being said, the way the economy works in a quasi-military organization (like star fleet) says nothing about how the economy as a whole (like the federation) works...

    40. Re:Before the reboot by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Throw in "In the Pale Moonlight" from DS9.

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    41. Re:Before the reboot by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

      I don't think it was Jar Jar Abrams who killed the franchise, all the next gen movies before these ones were terrible and did more harm to the franchise than this. They were equally stupid, violent and poorly written as any of Abram's turds, except with the original, 70-something cast.

    42. Re:Before the reboot by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      For example, the original shows are post-race, post-feminist, ...

      Were they? I don't remember any female starship captains, except the sexy Romulan babe in "The Enterprise Incident."

    43. Re:Before the reboot by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      It's actually the Annheuser-Busch brewery. Yes, the engine room of the new Enterprise was designed for the manufacture of expensive packaged urine-substitute.

    44. Re:Before the reboot by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Those last Star Trek movies of the original era were definitely not good but they just sort of bruised the franchise rather than beating it to death with really stupid cheetos versions. People still were interested in Star Trek (hence the reboot sellout was possible), they just wanted better stories, the reboot crap, the last movie, simply zero interest, nobody cared, now that's dead. nepotism is really screwing up the industry, crap remakes seems to be all they are capable of, squeeze blood out of franchise dead weight stone and nothing but dust left, which they still try to squeeze just one more time to end up with nothing. Likely they will jump on game franchises and try to get money out of them with crappy stories and lots of advertising.

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    45. Re:Before the reboot by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I find the new Kirk particularly unbelievable. Spock is kind of okay but a lot of the humour from the original came from him being the straight man, where as the new one is oddly sarcastic. The relationship between the two of them is weak too.

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    46. Re: Before the reboot by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Sounds more that lousy continuity was rampant among the screen writers in the 60ths.

    47. Re:Before the reboot by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      this from the nitwit that can't spell you're

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  2. Wouldn't be me without it. by Master+Moose · · Score: 1

    Some of my earliest and fondest television memories were watching TOS re-runs. Spock was my 1st TV hero.

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  3. Gotta say it by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    KKKHHHHHAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!

    Okay, for the benefit of Slashdot's ironically named lameness filte - you have to understand that some things just require yelling.

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    1. Re:Gotta say it by quenda · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or as William Shattner just had to say:

      I'd just like to say... GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a TV show! I mean, look at you, look at the way you're dressed! You've turned an enjoyable little job, that I did as a lark for a few years, into a COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME!

      I mean, how old are you people? What have you done with yourselves?
      You, you must be almost 30... have you ever kissed a girl?

      I didn't think so! There's a whole world out there! When I was your age, I didn't watch television! I LIVED! So... move out of your parent's basements! And get your own apartments and GROW THE HELL UP! I mean, it's just a TV show dammit, IT'S JUST A TV SHOW!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    2. Re:Gotta say it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Settle down, i was a comedy skit. sheesh.

  4. Still believe DS9 to be the best by ArtemaOne · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Next Generation was amazing, DS9 is still my favorite, but the original series broke so much ground it is mind boggling. One of my favorite stories is of Ohura and Kirk kissing. The producers didn't want to do it, so Shatner convinced them to film both scenes, the kissing first. He then proceeded to screw up every take without the kiss until they were running low on film, which was quite expensive. The producers were forced to take that step forward in history.

    1. Re:Still believe DS9 to be the best by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      [Shatner] then proceeded to screw up every take without the kiss until they were running low on film

      You sure that was intentional? :-)

    2. Re:Still believe DS9 to be the best by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

      DS9 discussion recently on Ars Technica.

    3. Re:Still believe DS9 to be the best by Opportunist · · Score: 1

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    4. Re:Still believe DS9 to be the best by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      They aired Episode 1, "The Man Trap" on TV today.

      Uhura was flirting heavily with Spock on the bridge and not reciprocated. So Kirk was definitely not her first choice.

    5. Re:Still believe DS9 to be the best by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately Ars is blocked and work and I can get to slashdot. Quite the downgrade, but that's just the way things are for now.

    6. Re:Still believe DS9 to be the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What Deep Space Nine does that no other Star Trek series can

      Enlarge / Deep Space Nine is on the wormhole front in the Dominion Wars, yet its main characters remain fundamentally humane and strive for peace.

      Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

      We all have people in our lives who are so important that theirdeaths wouldbe tragic at an existential level. Recently, one such person in my life almost died. It wasn't one of those things where he narrowly escaped from sniper fire in a starship fight and we could raise a glass of synthaholin Ten Forward afterwards.He was plugged into life support machines for over a week, unconscious, with doctors shaking their heads and urging us to "be patient." Medical staff said completelyterrifying things like "I think he'll probably make it."

      I had plenty of time to imagine how my life would be utterly different without him. He's part of the family I've found with my circle of nerdy friends, and losing him would be like losing, well, part of my family. Part of me. Every night when I came home from the hospital,there was only one thing I could do that didn't make me want to cry. I watched Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

      I never really thought of ST:DS9 as a comforting show, or even a particularly brilliantone. I grew up on Star Trek: The Next Generation, so DS9 is definitely "my" era in Star Trek, and I have hazy memories of enjoying it in college. Still, I never really loved DS9 the way I loved Data and Picard and TNG's ongoing wonky obsession with maintainingthe Prime Directive onwhat Guinan called a "ship of peace." Yet in my darkest emotional hour, DS9 was what did it for me. Ithink that'sbecause theshow combined everyday stories of awfulness and political meltdown with an aggressive hopefulness about the future. Call it Utopia ex machina.

      War and peace

      How do you get a message of universal social democracy out of a world whereBajor struggles with post-colonial poverty while their former oppressors, the Cardassians, team up with the Romulans to start a war on the Dominion? And how do you wrest a sense of justice out of a story where one of the main characters, saloonowner Quark, successfully exploitseveryone, including his own brother?The answer is: awkwardly.

      I keep thinking about "Past Tense," that two-part episode in season 3 where Sisko, Dax, and Bashir go back to "primitive" Earth in 2024 and take part in the Bell Riots to liberate the walled shantytowns called Sanctuaries. In fact, Sisko has to take the place of rebel leader Gabriel Bell when the real man is killed because the DS9 ganghas altered the timeline slightly. There's this very 1990s Star Trek moment where Bashir is tending to the sick in a Sanctuary and is completely shocked by how horrific the health care is. "How could they let it get this bad?" he asks Sisko,who replies that humansdidn't stand for this kind of injustice for longbecause of people like Gabriel Bell.

      Sisko explains to Bashir that humans of the 21st century rebelled against the government that kept impoverished people in ghettos.

      Thatkind of dogged Utopianism in the face of our present-day reality comes across as frankly a little bit weird. It seems absurd to imaginewe'll go from a world of ghettos to one whereit's "obvious" to all humans that eliminating poverty is the only way forward. And today it's even harder to swallow the idea thatspace station captains of tomorrow willconsider what amounts to an Occupy activist as the foundational hero of human civilization.

      But as I watched with my sadness-blunted brain, DS9 kept me stumbling onward with its optimism. Episodes vacillate betweengoofy stories of mirror universes, mystical Bajoran prophesies, and darktales of the Dominion W

    7. Re:Still believe DS9 to be the best by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Have also been watching TOS for the first time. After mostly seeing her in the movies, it surprises me just what a sex kitten Uhura is. She's way more attractive than the token blonde.

    8. Re:Still believe DS9 to be the best by Lotus456 · · Score: 1

      But I thought Uhura was a blonde!

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  5. Bad opinion theater by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Kate Mulgrew was the best Kirk.

    COME AT ME

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    1. Re:Bad opinion theater by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Kate Mulgrew was the best Kirk.

      COME AT ME

      I know you're joking, but it really is a shame Voyager did such a bad job in the casting. Without all the awful actors Voyager would have been a good show. The doctor was the only good actor on that show. (I had a fondness for 7 of 9, but it might not have been because of her acting ability).

      Compare the actors from TNG to Voyager- there is a huge gulf in acting ability. Voyager probably had better writers but the poor acting made it go flat.

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    2. Re:Bad opinion theater by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

      The actors were, by and large, fine; they just had utter shit to work with. You be trippin, son.

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    3. Re:Bad opinion theater by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Really?

      Kate Mulgrew an equal to Patrick Stewart?
      Robert Duncan McNeill *shudder* an equal to Brent Spiner?
      Tim Russ anywhere near as good as Michael Dorn?
      Robert Beltran *ugh* as good as Jonathan Frakes (ok he wasn't the best either)

      The actors chosen for Voyager were absolutely terrible. I actually quite liked voyager (after first few seasons) but that is DESPITE the acting. The acting was wooden and amateurish.

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    4. Re:Bad opinion theater by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      Really? Kate Mulgrew an equal to Patrick Stewart?

      Better. Patrick Stewart is a world-class actor, but he never seemed much like a Captain to me. That job requires you to come down on people like a ton of bricks when they screw things up, and I think he's just such a nice guy the best he knew how to pull off was about 15lbs of bricks. Mulgrew could do it.

  6. Early on, in the iTunes Store by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Back when the iTunes Store first started selling TV shows, you could get each entire season from TOS for about $12 each. At the time, they weren't on Netflix or anywhere else I could locate; so even though money was tight right then - I bought all three (and immediately stripped out the DRM).

    The price jumped dramatically just a Week or two later... but I'm still amazed the seasons were ever that cheap.

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  7. Good plot hooks by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    TOS set the technology up with some really good plot hooks. Things like:

    You can't beam someone onboard while the shields are up.
    You can go to distant planets, but it still takes considerable time.
    The transporters are sensitive, finicky things that tend to break.

    All of these make great places to hang plot from, such as:

    So item #1 makes for a tense situation when you're in a shuttlecraft (or on the planet) while the ship is facing off an enemy.
    Item #2 means you might not get there in time (KIRK: Make a challenge. Warn that ship off. UHURA: Trying to, sir. They don't acknowledge.)
    Item #3 means you might get stranded on the ship after you've set it to blow up.

    Compare with the modern reboot movies, where you can beam from Earth to another planet using a transporter the size of a duffel bag, starships that can hide underwater, and magic serum from Khan's blood that will bring someone back from the dead.

    The modern reboot movies think sacrificing the technology makes for good plot, but it's just the opposite: Good plot will be based on the limitations of the technology.

    Consider: How can anyone get emotionally involved in someone's death, knowing that they can be brought back to life now using Khan's blood?

    (Let's not mention a red liquid that can turn a planet into a black hole, delivered by hand using a big syringe. Or a cold fusion bomb that can't be remote armed, has to be assembled and armed by hand while standing at the place of detonation. Or a bomb the size of a class ring that can take out a building. Or beaming from a planet onto a ship that's been at warp for a couple of hours using a formula that considers the ship and the planet stationary while the space between them moves.)

    1. Re:Good plot hooks by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      Or a power loss causing the ring of floating objects in orbit to plummet. After the idiotic body surfing from one ship to another.

      And then there was the giant wrestling thing with the ships core - which Galaxy Quest Firmly slapped down years earlier because the whole notion was stupid.

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    2. Re: Good plot hooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Galaxy Quest the greatest ST film ever!!

    3. Re:Good plot hooks by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or a power loss causing the ring of floating objects in orbit to plummet. After the idiotic body surfing from one ship to another.

      And then there was the giant wrestling thing with the ships core - which Galaxy Quest Firmly slapped down years earlier because the whole notion was stupid.

      My favourite from Galaxy quest was the chompers. After beaming onboard the Enterprise, Scotty is inside the coolant tube heading for the spinning blades of death.

      As the review "Everything Wrong With Star Trek" points out, [the spinning blade contraption] is just as useless and stupid as the chompers in Galaxy quest, except *this* star trek movie isn't a parody.

    4. Re:Good plot hooks by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that... It seems to me that in the pre-reboot series they could overcome any technical limitation simply by reversing the polarity.

    5. Re: Good plot hooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Iirc, transporting at warp was something tos Scotty did

      Not splitting hairs to say that based on how the transporters are supposed to work all you should need is a high enough bandwidth data connection between the two ships traveling at warp speed to beam from one to the other, shields or no. The ability to transport between transporter pads should be only an ultra high bandwidth data connection affair. Beaming down to the planet where there is not a receiving pad is a whole other issue as the re-assembly is being performed by the ship from hundreds of miles up in orbit and in motion at orbital speeds whilst the person materializing on the ground is not moving relative to the surface of the planet.. but when you transport someone who is falling back on to the ship, they always tend to hit the transporter pad with a Thump! Totally implausible!

      The "You can't beam up while the shields are up" is a plot device just like the "Romulan and Klingon ships cannot fire when cloaked." and are both are equally stupid. The TNG Romulan warbirds were supposedly powered by a captured singularity, so it is not a power limitation therfore there is no reason that the weapons and the cloaking device could not be powered at the same time otherwise the ship could not travel at warp whilst cloaked (warp drive surely takes way more energy than shielding or weapons do..) But we are looking for logical inconsistencies in fiction like we do in reality and that breaks down at some point inevitably. Heres another example: If full ship phaser power is enough to vaporize a continent, (as was mentioned in the dialogue of "The Cage") a warp core breach should produce a big enough explosion to destroy an Earth sized planet, or at the very least render it uninhabitable due to radiation and temperatures. Despite this, we have seen several versions of the Enterprise and other star ships have warp core breaches and no planet was ever destroyed in the event or experienced an extinction level event. (Hell in the Franklin in the latest movie was embedded in rock and completely powered down but still maintained antimatter containment somehow... No Boom!)

      This type of silliness is akin to aliens stating what constellation they come from, when none of the constellations from the perspective of their planet would make any sense to anyone else but that species, save for them being from a system within a hundred or so lightyears from the perspective in question.. (For instance the sky of proxima centauri b would be very similar to the sky around the sun minus there being an extra star in the sky (Sol somewhere in Cassiopeia ) and Proxima being very prominent along with Alpha Centauri A and B close by. Star names being used by Aliens is just as crazy as them speaking English.. but that is on the writers to explain or demonstrate..

      I think that the science people who advised the writers needs more education in physics.. but there is a line where such things can be overthought or it ends up costing the dramatic elements of the story in a negative way. People would suspend disbelief a lot easier in the late 1960s than they do now.

    6. Re:Good plot hooks by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The absolutely stupidest and most implausible technology was the "Genesis Project" that instantaneously caused 4 billion years of evolution by launching one projectile. Oh, and it was created by one person working alone.

    7. Re:Good plot hooks by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Consider: How can anyone get emotionally involved in someone's death, knowing that they can be brought back to life now using Khan's blood?

      They explored resurrection in a couple of episodes of Voyager.

      In one episode (Mortal Coil) Neelix is killed on an away mission. Seven performs some Borg magic and he's back again but haunted by the afterlife.

      In another (Ashes 2 Ashes), Harry's girlfriend returns a couple of years after dying, having been reincarnated as an alien and having to choose.

    8. Re: Good plot hooks by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, and it was shown time and again that it is a BAD idea to do so and if it's not an emergency you should NOT do it. You should have a Scotty operating the beamer if you wanted to have a chance for success, too.

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    9. Re: Good plot hooks by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3

      based on how the transporters are supposed to work all you should need is a high enough bandwidth data connection

      As I understand it, it's actually supposed to transport your original matter, rather than just taking you to bits at one end, junking your mass, and reassembling you from a pool of matter at the other end. Otherwise how would it work when one end of the transport is not on a pad?

      "I'm sorry Commander Riker, we ran out of carbon while you were coming in, so we printed your dick a bit smaller."

      "You can't beam up while the shields are up"

      I always thought that one was down to the effect of shields, rather than a power limitation - or else, again, why is it usually impossible for other ships to send in boarding parties via transporter when your shields are up - they don't have their power being drained by *their* shields. Which makes sense - shields block beams of energy, the transporter beam is a beam of energy, therefore beaming through a shield means you get scattered into a burst of microwaves.

      "Romulan and Klingon ships cannot fire when cloaked."

      Again, probably not due to a power limitation - we're talking about a system that bends all radiation emissions around the ship, negating even active sensors (but ... not enemy weapons fire.. maybe it's energy handling ability is limited) - firing a weapon from inside such a field could feasibly have some complex and unpredictable effects. Maybe the radiation gets bent right back at you. Maybe it blows out all the cloaking systems if you do it, causing console explosions across the ship that kill all your crew.

    10. Re: Good plot hooks by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Beaming with the shields up does make sense when you consider beaming a transfer of information by means of a beam (hence the name), which a shield designed to block incoming damage by lasers and similar devices would make impossible. If you want to question something, then questioning how your own beam weapons are able to function while your shields are up would be a far more sensible question.

      As for why cloaked ships cannot fire weapons... good questions, I have no idea how the cloaking device of Romulan and Klingon ships allegedly work (side note: For some odd reason my browser's spellchecker seems to not know Romulan but does know Klingon. Google is racist, it seems). IIRC it was something about bending light (and other means of detection) around the vessel, which would be somewhat in sync with the idea of using a singularity as an energy source. In this case it could well be that the effect has a detrimental effect on their own beam weapons. Doesn't explain why they can't launch torpedoes, though.

      In the end, though, what matters is that it makes a great plot device and increases tension and drama by offering limitations for the technology used and giving the writers something to work with. And that's pretty much all that really counts.

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    11. Re:Good plot hooks by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And if everything failed, send a reverse tachyon impulse through subspace.

      Let's be honest, like it or not, but 99% of all problems were solved by technobabble.

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    12. Re: Good plot hooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      According to the NCC1701-D technical manual. Transporters provide their own matter. Two transporter pads will indeed simply transfer data, however the data must be in complete sync so that quantum state can be restored (cargo transporters have more leyway, but can not transport living material without modifications). I am guessing going at different warp speeds would make this data channel go out of sync.

      Beaming without a transport pad works with a transport-emitter which are placed around the ship hull. The tranport-emitter is a scaled up version of a transporter-pad. It can transport through solid materials, but not if they are to thick, or if there is too much electro-magnetic interference. I am guessing that the forcefields used in assembling and disassembling are electro-magnetic themselves.

    13. Re:Good plot hooks by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      IIRC Genesis was more akin to nano-engineering on a planetary scale, taking the target apart and reassembling it into preprogrammed forms, including life-forms. Not all that implausible in context... except of course the glaring deus ex machina that is the "Genesis energy", used to imbue life, and miraculously bringing Spock back from the dead.

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    14. Re: Good plot hooks by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 1

      Practical reasons, at least after The Undiscovered Country. If you fire while cloaked, it just takes a tracking torpedo. If you fire while cloaked with your shields up, you aren't really cloaked anymore. Cloaking devices are much less useful than they're made up to be in Star Trek (exception of the whole phasing cloak thing, which worked really well but happened to be illegal.)

    15. Re:Good plot hooks by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Eh, I could actually see a reason for that machine, except the reason would require similar machines inside the tubes themselves which means the scene still doesn't work.

    16. Re: Good plot hooks by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      I'm presuming that the matter being used is sub-atomic, where you don't have to worry so much about too much sodium and not enough carbon, But then I always assumed that they were taking E=mc^2 to its logical conclusion so actual physical matter in any form wouldn't be required to start with.

      As for beaming through shields, I can't walk through closed doors, either.

    17. Re: Good plot hooks by rfengr · · Score: 1

      (Hell in the Franklin in the latest movie was embedded in rock and completely powered down but still maintained antimatter containment somehow... No Boom!)

      Yeah, but remember in TOS they had to beam down anti-matter (contained in a magnetic bottle)? Spock said something about it have more energy that 1000 cobalt bomb. Those magnetic bottle are self powering. What few anti-matter atoms that escape are enough to power it, constantly re-generating the H field. It's a self sustaining feedback loop.

  8. Live long and distribute wealth by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    This moment deserves a hearty Nanoo Nanoo!

    1. Re:Live long and distribute wealth by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Kirk outlived Mork...

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    2. Re:Live long and distribute wealth by lord_mike · · Score: 1

      Shatner will outlive them all...

    3. Re:Live long and distribute wealth by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Denny Crane!

    4. Re:Live long and distribute wealth by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You know the saying, only the good die young.

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    5. Re:Live long and distribute wealth by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 1

      Love long and perspire!

    6. Re:Live long and distribute wealth by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Jeri Ryan still looks pretty good too...

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  9. Re:Only Kirk is still kicking by Jhon · · Score: 1

    Sulu and Chekov have been deleted from this timeline before Bones, Scotty and Spock died.

  10. Share your most memorable scenes or episodes by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    ...for me, it's probably the time Spock looked into that glowing box, and was blinded for a good while.

    Reminds me of my first goatse encounter.

    Ranked second is the fantasy planet that they didn't know was a fantasy planet, and wasted lots of time trying to solve the puzzle while trying not to get distracted by all the old friends and lovers that kept popping up. Psych!

    For me, it's a metaphor for working my tail off at work on projects that probably won't be appreciated and will likely be PHB'd into mediocrity anyhow.

    Learn to enjoy the journey and the personal satisfaction itself instead of expecting kudos or gold. If you don't expect them, then you will be pleasantly surprised when they actually appear.

    1. Re:Share your most memorable scenes or episodes by Evtim · · Score: 1

      "Elementary, my dear Data" from TNG branded itself in my memory...at that time I was not very well versed in philosophy and science; somehow it moved me very much. The exchange at the end between Picard and Moriarty was ground shaking. The actor playing Moriarty was superb! I think, therefore I am - the one criterion that really matters....wow!

  11. fav episode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Mine was the one where Princess Lea walked into the TARDIS for the first time and met Captain Sinclair for the trip over to Clavius to check out the monolith. That was before they knew it was made by the Cylons, but they didn't know how safe it was and I remember a robot going, "Danger, Will Robinson!" to warn them. In the end the Reavers showed up and fought with the Cylons in some simulation until Kirk made them face the reality of their war.

    Way ahead of its time.

    1. Re:fav episode by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      LSD and the SyFy Channel don't mix, dude.

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  12. Re:Unfortunately the new stuff is garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ah yes, we certainly wouldn't want to see "shoehorned agendas" in STAR TREK of all things.

  13. Logical fallacy by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    Iirc, transporting at warp was something tos Scotty did

    When a ship is travelling away from a planet, considering the ship and planet stationary and space itself as moving doesn't quite make logical sense now, does it?

  14. Barely mentioned anywhere... by lord_mike · · Score: 2

    The news essentially ignored it. There is nothing on TV, no show marathons or special programs. Google didn't even do a doodle for it. What a bummer... I didn't even find out about it until I saw a buried story about the 50th anniversary. I guess Trek really has fallen off the face of the earth, and its influence has truly waned. That is a real shame.

    1. Re:Barely mentioned anywhere... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hmm... considering that the rebooted Star Trek is full of such perfect, politically correct Mary Sues, Google should be all over it.

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    2. Re:Barely mentioned anywhere... by blivit42 · · Score: 1

      The Smithsonian Channel heavily advertised a 2 hour special sort of about the 50th anniversary of Star Trek for several weeks before it aired, and it has been airing frequently this past week. It is about a sci-fi / pop culture museum in Seattle working to get a 50th anniversary exhibit completed, as well as the team at the Smithsonian restoring the original filming model of the Enterprise for display at the Air and Space Museum. And a bunch of not-so-great "we sort of have Star Trek technology now, but not really" science bits. Overall, worth a watch for the interviews with various people involved in the production (and/or disposal of the original props).

      BBC America has also been showing Seasons 1 and 2 in their restored HD glory since yesterday, and will continue on today. The image and color quality look great, and the re-generated special effects are also pretty well done. Definitely worth a watch!

    3. Re:Barely mentioned anywhere... by nevermore94 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the SyFy channel was having a Star Trek movie marathon last night.

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    4. Re:Barely mentioned anywhere... by jasenj1 · · Score: 1

      BBC America ran Seasons 1 & 2 of TOS starting at 8pm last night.

  15. Star Trek by LocutusOfBorg1 · · Score: 1

    Star Trek is the best franchise ever made. Resistance is futile

  16. Re:Did you watch the original? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    There's a few of us still alive.

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  17. Earliest Star Trek memory by istartedi · · Score: 1

    It was in re-runs (I'm not *that* old) and The Changling came on. That's the "I am Nomad" episode if you're like me and had to google it. I was a kid though. I just saw the first part. I think it took a while for Star Trek to "click" since I was a kid and some things went over my head. The thing that makes this episode stand out is not even the episode itself. I only saw the first part that evening. There was this *thing* on the transporter pad and... we had to go out to dinner. I didn't want to go out; but I was a kid so of course I had to go with the rest of the family. For all I knew, it might never come on again. Pissed me off! Fortunately, it did come on again many times and at some point in my later childhood or teens, the little logic battle in there was something I came to appreciate. I don't like the part at the end with Uhura re-learning how to read though. Why did Nomad wipe her memory clean anyway? If it wanted to learn, you think it'd have a copy of the data and could restore it. It always bothered me...

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  18. As Spock says... by antdude · · Score: 1

    "live long and propser". Star Trek forever even if its newer ones suck.

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  19. I celebrated by watching The Man Trap by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

    ...followed by this thought: "Has it really been 50 years? Have I become this old?"

    It has, and I have.

    I first saw Star Trek TOS in black and white, in Caracas, dubbed into Spanish. This must've been around 1973 or 74. Later on I got to see most of TOS in color and in English. Read a lot of the novels, watched all the films, saw all of Next Generation.. and then I lost interest.

    What Trek taught me? IDIC, which I have to remind myself of -- I am prone to dislike diversity, then I remember IDIC. That little show taught me logic is not an inflexible thing, there must be wiggle room for the human element. At times I have been known to try to completely shut down all emotion and try a twisted version of logic. That didn't end well for me.

    Above all, Trek, to me, is a bit like Beethoven's music: No matter how rough the beginning and middle acts are, the last act ends with hope, or a least a bad joke or lame pun. Some times, hope is all one has left.

    That little show which lasted only three seasons because the network didn't know how to measure its popularity in a relevant way sure Lived Long and Prospered...

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  20. What Star Trek should be by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    http://startrekcontinues.com/

    JJ and the reboot of 'Star Trek' make mediocre action films, but they aren't Star Trek anymore.

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  21. Re:Only Kirk is still kicking by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Only Kirk is still kicking

    Well, yeah, if you mean "out of Kirk and the ones who have died."

    Walter Koenig, George Takei, and Nichelle Nichols are all still alive.

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  22. It was the day science fiction got real by hyades1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a very young boy, I exhausted the children's area of our small-town library in no time. With my parents' permission and a wonderful librarian, I was allowed to start getting books from the Adults' floor. I was a complete science fiction addict. I went through the whole section. I was even allowed to read stories like Farmer's "The Lovers" and Sturgeon's "Venus Plus X", which at the time were considered very definitely not for children.

    I was thoroughly familiar with concepts that are now almost trite, but at the time were pretty much limited to the science fiction community: preserving time lines to preserve reality, the implications of faster-than-light spaceships, matter transmission, parallel universes and a lot more. Television science fiction (except Outer Limits and Twilight Zone) bored me to tears, and Lost In Space made me sick. My parents couldn't figure out why I loved SF books so much, but had no time for "Fireball XL-5".

    Then, just as summer was winding down, the networks started promoting the new TV shows for the coming season. And there was Star Trek. Even the very limited "trailers" made it clear this was going to be something different. It delivered in spades. All of the stuff I'd been reading about was brought to life, and I got to watch my family and friends catch onto the same things that had held me spellbound for a good part of my short life. And most important, Star Trek made it clear that we'd get through all the evil and ugliness we saw around us...Vietnam, the assassinations, the Cold War. It was looking pretty bleak there, for a while.

    And it also did what science fiction was supposed to do: hold up a mirror to problems in our own world we didn't often discuss openly. Plus (huge bonus) some of the seriously imaginative science fiction writers whose work I loved were writing episodes. My mother, who was a tough, capable woman, cried like a baby at the end of "The City at the Edge of Forever", and my dad was very quiet. They'd both lived through WWII (my dad served with the RAF), and they both knew just how close Hitler came to winning.

    But it was that first view of the first promo I remember best...when my sister and I were sitting on the living room floor playing a card game and I looked at the TV and just couldn't believe what I was seeing.

    All these years later, I know how lucky I was to see it happen through a child's eyes.

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    1. Re:It was the day science fiction got real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is a great post. Thank you.

    2. Re:It was the day science fiction got real by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      You're very welcome.

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  23. Re: I loved star trek by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Let's see how it does 2-3 decades from now.

    Any movie that just got out with latest technology and effects will do great in cinema. If it has a good franchise name to its back, only the better. But what when the new car smell is gone?

    Yes, the studio probably won't give a shit. Do they care that people still love to watch old Star Trek movies and keep watching the shows? Nah. They already sold the DVDs and BluRays, they don't really care whether you watch them or whether they collect dust on the shelf, they got their money out of it.

    And that's really a pity. Because that's what makes or breaks franchises. A fan base. A fan base is income you can rely on. They WILL come to watch your next installment of the franchise, whether it's good, whether it's crappy, whether it's 3 hours of watching paint dry, they WILL pay for the ticket and they WILL buy that BluRay. And then the remastered edition, and the director's cut, and they will buy a new movie ticket to watch the same movie they already have seen because it has 10 more seconds "that change the whole meaning" of whatever scene or character development of ... fuck, whatever. They buy that ticket!

    Bottom line: You WANT a huge fan crowd. They are your cash cows. You can milk them forever and they will be like flour bags. Even if empty you can still beat them and something will come out of them. You also don't need to do much to please them. Just pretend to take them serious, have them dress up for your movie premieres and make sure you show off just how much everyone loves your movie franchise. Don't worry, they'll LOVE to appear in your ads.

    They are essentially free advertising... as long as you can ensure that they stay PG and "family friendly". Which isn't really a big problem for Star Trek, just make sure that the "serious" fans get all worked up over those that dare to "sully" the pristine wholesome experience. They'll even do the policing for you.

    So yes, having nerds that care for your movies is a pretty good thing. They are free PR, marketing, IP "tarnish" protection and so much more. Wait, no, they're not free. They PAY YOU for having that privilege.

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  24. No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fuck Google....

    ... I'm afraid I'm going to have to decline your kind invitation to have coitus with Google, in view of all the crap that's floating around on the internet I'm pretty sure I'd catch something really nasty.

  25. Happy Anniversary Star Trek ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wow. To think of all us technical and scientific people, and military and air & space people - who really got their start in STEM & IT not because of a university degree, but by a Dream - Trek Lovers WANT Star Trek to be REAL. The exploration, the technology, the meeting alien species. People love the bright vision for the human race. A functionally better world vision almost completely lost after ST:TNG . Happy Anniversary to all Slashdot readers and bloggers who have fond memories of dreams of the future... some dreams now real science ! :-)

  26. Not the first showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The first episode was shown two days earlier in Canadia. So TFS is wrong - it's talking about the first showing in the US (typical US-centric approach).

    1. Re:Not the first showing by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Yuppers! CTV...and I was tuned in 10 minutes early to make sure I didn't miss one second of it. And it converted my whole family into SF fans, too.

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  27. What was once uncool, becomes cool. by AbRASiON · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm very close to 40.
    When I was a kid I watched reruns of ToS on TV and some of my dads VHS tapes he got suckered into buying at $30 a pop from some subscription, with only 3 eps per tape. I loved it and I enjoyed sporadically watching TnG as it aired.
    Eventually I became a dumb angsty later teen and thought Star Wars was what's cool and Trek was dumb / lame.

    As I've gotten older (well 20 years later) and every god damned movie and TV show has taken on a "dark edgey tone" and I've finally started to not give a shit if someone calls me a dork! or nerd! I can accept Star Trek as god damn cool, because it was so out there, it's camp, it's silly, it's great. The humour can be fantastic and the nerdiness I don't need to feel ashamed about. When Star Trek is funny I laugh with it, when it's bad I laugh with it "oh that silly old Star Trek!"

    At the core of Star Trek though is that Roddenberry philosophy of an almost utopian future. I can respect that, more and more as I age. As I see the world around me slip in to eventual chaos, the environment becoming a disgrace, capitalism, greed and globalization becoming more intense, the world is becoming a very very dark place and I think it's not going to end well, Star Trek is a welcome, fantasy relief of what would happen if almost all humans all did the right thing, for humanity and the universe not just for themselves.

    Heck when I see a 1966 show talk in metres and kilometres and not have smoking on the show despite the lost potential revenue from product placement because that's how it would be in the utopian future, I can see why Gene is so lauded as a visionary.
    A great show that I'm finally proud to say I'm a big fan of.

  28. Big celebratory fireworks in North Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Greatest and most glorius fan Kim Jong-un organised historys biggest celebratory fireworks measuring 5.3 magnitude to honor all trekkies.

  29. Best memory eh? by ctrlshift · · Score: 2

    Say what you will about The Search for Spock as a whole; that sequence in which Kirk steals the Enterprise and escapes spacedock is one of the most engaging I can think of in all of cinema. Everything from "Don't call me Tiny" to "The doors Mr. Scott!" "Right sir! I'm working on it!", "Oh, I'll have Mr. Adventure eating out of my hand." all the way up to "Kirk, you do this, you'll never sit in the captain's chair again." It's an incredibly emotionally charged scene that is simultaneously tense, funny, and thrilling even though it takes place at 1/4 impulse power, there's no lens flare, and nobody gets choked or murdered or even shot at. That's classy fucking filmmaking. And scoring too! James Horner's finest work in my opinion.

    1. Re:Best memory eh? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

      Also the fact that the entire original series, and the movies leading up to 3, were about Kirk wanting nothing more than his career and ship, but he throws it all away, without a second thought, for Spock. No debate, no waffling, doesn't even think about it.

      And on the other hand, no hamming it up, no chewing the scenery, no 'Dammit, I LOVE this ship, but SPOCK...NEEDS....ME.'

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  30. Mirror universe will never be on the big screen... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Or even the mirror universe would be cool.

    Not in this incarnation anyway.
    Too confusing for "mainstream audiences" while being completely outside of what said audience knows about Star Trek and feels comfortable with based on the cultural osmosis alone.
    While watching Star Trek characters jumping around on dirt bikes like Evel Knievel as "Sabotage" by Beastie Boys blares out of the speakers.
    You know... Star Trek.

    Similarly, patching up of the time line will never happen.
    For the same reason that Robert Duncan McNeill plays the same character on TNG and on Voyager - but it is a different character on Voyager.
    Royalties and copyright.

    Which is the underlying reason for reboots instead of sequels.
    If you make things different enough you don't have to pay any of the "old people", you just pay the "new people", whom you've gotten to work for a pittance.

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  31. changed my life, and my children's by John_Sauter · · Score: 1

    When I discovered that my girlfriend liked Star Trek, I bought a small color TV so I could entice her to come to my apartment to watch the original series. We both cheered when NBC announced that there would be a third season.

    We were married in 1968 and had two children. We raised them in a very technology-friendly household. They played with my Apple II when I was at work. Today they both have Computer Science degrees and good jobs in the industry.

    When my son got married I ended the customary father-of-the-groom speech with “live long and prosper” and the hand gesture. My son, his new wife, and all of their friends, understood me.

    So, yes, you can say that Star Trek changed my life.

  32. My favorite stories by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

    There are a lot of stories looking back Trek TOS floating around because of the 50th anniverseray. My favorites are:

    Lucile Ball was the first trekkie. Yes, Lucile Ball, your new geek overlord.

    MLK said he was a Trekkie. Wouldn't let Michelle Nickhols leave the show. MLK, blerd before it was cool.

    1. Re:My favorite stories by T.E.D. · · Score: 4, Informative
      I'm sorry, I forgot where I was for a minute. Let me summarize those links nobody will click on..

      Lucile Ball was the first trekkie [blastr.com]. Yes, Lucile Ball, your new geek overlord.

      Basic gist here is that it was her production company that initially got it produced and sold, and the one person at that company that was sold on the vision of the show was in fact Lucile Ball herself. At one point her whole board voted to can the show, because they were a small company and already had 3 shows on their plate. There would have been no Trek. She vetoed them.

      MLK said he was a Trekkie. Wouldn't let Michelle Nickhols leave the show. [npr.org] MLK, blerd before it was cool.

      Ms. NICHOLS: I went in to tell Gene Roddenberry that I was leaving after the first season, and he was very upset about it. And he said, take the weekend and think about what I am trying to achieve here in this show. You're an integral part and very important to it. And so I said, yes, I would. And that - on Saturday night, I went to an NAACP fundraiser, I believe it was, in Beverly Hills. And one of the promoters came over to me and said, Ms. Nichols, there's someone who would like to meet you. He says he is your greatest fan.

      And I'm thinking a Trekker, you know. And I turn, and before I could get up, I looked across the way and there was the face of Dr. Martin Luther King smiling at me and walking toward me. And he started laughing. By the time he reached me, he said, yes, Ms. Nichols, I am your greatest fan. I am that Trekkie.

      (Soundbite of laughter)

      Ms. NICHOLS: And I was speechless. He complimented me on the manner in which I'd created the character. I thanked him, and I think I said something like, Dr. King, I wish I could be out there marching with you. He said, no, no, no. No, you don't understand. We don't need you on the - to march. You are marching. You are reflecting what we are fighting for. So, I said to him, thank you so much. And I'm going to miss my co-stars.

      And his face got very, very serious. And he said, what are you talking about? And I said, well, I told Gene just yesterday that I'm going to leave the show after the first year because I've been offered - and he stopped me and said: You cannot do that. And I was stunned. He said, don't you understand what this man has achieved? For the first time, we are being seen the world over as we should be seen. He says, do you understand that this is the only show that my wife Coretta and I will allow our little children to stay up and watch. I was speechless.

      Yes, MLK was a (self-identified!) Trekkie.

  33. I favor TOS by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    TNG, DS9, others never did much for me. Maybe it's because female crew of TOS had the sexy shirts, go-go boots, big hair, thick mascara.

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  34. Trekkin' by Phusion · · Score: 1

    So, I was born in '82, that being said, when I hit double digits or so, Star Trek:TNG was the new hotness and I didn't care for "Kirk chases green women" episode #306, so I grew up along with TNG. Sometimes my mom & dad would take me over to a family friend's house to watch TNG the night the new episodes aired and we had kind of a Star Trek dinner party. I have very fond memories of sitting in dark or dimly lit rooms, various beige boxes blinking in the distance, watching TNG in my room or with friends. Like many others have stated, the early seasons are hard to watch, the main point of contention for me is Dr. Polaski, boy does she suck. Anyway, it doesn't hold the same magic it did when I was a kid, but I rewatched The Inner Light recently and was still captivated and entertained. When the first new Trek movies came out, my IRC friends (no more geek friends IRL) and I all agreed that it was good hollywood fluff, decent visuals (OW DAMN IT JJ, CUT DOWN ON THE FSCKING LENSE FLARE) and pretty decent as a standalone sci-fi flick, but it wasn't Star Trek. Much like Star Wars, either the old spirit of the franchise is dead or the creator (RIP Gene... ) is and Hollywood doesn't give a fuck, they just see dollar signs, so the bloated corpse is dragged through yet another galaxy far, far away. With any luck, the new TV series will be decent...

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  35. Congratulations! by howlingmad · · Score: 1

    Qapla' ! :-)

  36. It's sad by Toshito · · Score: 1

    that the 50th anniversary of Star Trek generates so few comments on Slashdot...

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  37. I am a fan by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    because I grew up watching it, and bought the anthology done by James Blish so I had every episode almost etched in memory banks. I bought the making of star trek, from Roddenberry himself, who explained how thorough they were about the ship, even down to how laundry was supposed to be done on the ship: the washing machine or whatever it was, would beam the clothes to the dryer, without the dirt. And yes, he even described how salt and pepper shakers would work in the future.

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  38. It Made Me Think the Future is Bright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Gene Roddenberry's real contribution to pop culture was providing us with the idea that the future will be great. It instilled in us a measure of hope and optimism that most people get only from their religious beliefs.

    Star Trek TOS was significant because the writing was great, which is something that American television doesn't usually have. To get good writing, most of us have to look to British shows like Doctor Who and Red Dwarf. I've been watching American science fiction TV my whole life and the only examples of excellence I can think of are Star Trek TOS episodes "City on the Edge of Forever" and "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky", the 5th season of TNG, the Voyager episodes "Tuvix" and "The Year of Hell", the first season of Heroes, and Firefly.

    Star Trek did the best job of inspiring us to bring that bright future into reality. James Doohan often remarked about the volumes of fan mail he received that described how the character of Scotty inspired many people to become engineers.

    Harlan Ellison wrote "City on the Edge of Forever" which is arguably the best episode of Star Trek ever produced. He is well known for elevating sarcasm and bitterness to an art form. He said that most of science fiction on television and in the movies is "crap". I tend to agree. I'm not a fan of the man but I do appreciate his often excellent work.

    When I was young I often found myself hoping that science fiction would get better. I remember sitting down to watch something like Buck Rogers, Greatest American Hero, or Galactica 1980, week after week, hoping that maybe "this episode will be good". Even though I was a stupid teenager at the time I still knew that those shows sucked. I didn't see how those TV shows were heralding the future. I wish I heard at the time what that mountain of crap was trying to tell me.

    Going beyond script writing, though, I always felt that the future would be awesome and bring us incredible wonders, thanks in part to Star Trek. Like most people, I wanted us to walk on distant planets, to have flying cars, and to reach new plateaus of excellence in my lifetime.

    While I thank Roddenberry and everyone who worked on Star Trek for that sense of optimism that contributed to my great childhood, my heart sinks when I contemplate the future that has come to pass. We live in a surveillance society, we cannot trust our own phones or computers, the internet is becoming a cage instead of a platform for free expression, terrorism is increasing all over the globe, and we're losing our freedoms and our rights at an ever increasing rate.

    With the upcoming presidential election, where there is no lesser of the available evils, I'm more afraid for the future of America than ever before in my entire life. Never Hillary, Never Trump, Jill Stein's been arrested and charged, and Gary Johnson's been buried by the press for his Aleppo blunder just like Dan Quail was buried because of the way he spelled "potatoes" that one time. We're left without any viable options.

    Ultimately, did Gene Roddenberry do us a disservice? Was the dream of Star Trek actually a lie? Were we wrong to be optimistic? Are we unable to choose a destiny that avoids a post-apocalyptic dystopian future? Have we wasted all those years being hopeful about the future, discovering far too late that we had our heads buried in the sand while the world disintegrates around us? Are the "preppers" and the gold bugs hiding in their bunkers REALLY the ones who are right?

    1. Re:It Made Me Think the Future is Bright by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 2

      I concur - my own dark sense of optimism was formed at the Age of 2 thru 4 during the initial run of the show. After that, I refilled periodically with reruns...

      I think this is what differentiates this 'border' generation (tweeners) - they were at the right age to absorb and appreciate Star Trek deeper than they consciously knew at the time. These are the people holding together the technological world today as the boomers go off and retire not really understanding it, and the generations that have followed never knowing a world without the technology they depend upon - and take for granted every day.

      That being said, there are many people doing amazing things to help solve problems, and accomplish the piece parts that can make up a better world when put together. In fits and starts progress is being made - so I can't complain really. I continue to stand by my dark optimism.

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  39. Re:nice but by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

    BBC America...

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  40. A couple documentaries! by antdude · · Score: 1

    VideoSift shared an over 1.5 hours YouTube video showing "Building Star Trek (Full Episode)" -- "When 'Star Trek' first aired, it expanded the viewers' imaginations about what was possible. Today, many of the space-age technologies on the show have gone from science fiction to reality. Join us as we celebrate a show that continues to inspire..."

    A three years old 47 minutes YouTube video showing "The Real Story: Star Trek (Full Episode)" -- "Meet Star Trek's producers, the first Trekkies, and Mr. Spock himself to discover the true story of Star Trek's history and how its vision of the future has influenced today's technology..."

    Star Trek is 50 years old! "Live long and prosper." :D

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