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AAPS Doctors Run Survey On Hillary Clinton's Health (prnewswire.com)

schwit1 PR Newswire: Concerns about Hillary Clinton's health are "serious -- could be disqualifying for the position of President of the U.S.," say nearly 71% of 250 physicians responding to an informal internet survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS). About 20% said concerns were "likely overblown, but should be addressed as by full release of medical records." Only 2.7% responded that they were "just a political attack; I have confidence in the letter from her physician and see no cause for concern." While more than 81% were aware of her history of a concussion, only 59% were aware of the cerebral sinus thrombosis, and 52% of the history of deep venous thrombosis. More than 78% said the health concerns had received "not enough emphasis" in the media, and only 2.7% that there had been "too much emphasis." Nearly two-thirds said that a physician who had a concern about a candidate's fitness to serve for health reasons should "make the concerns known to the public." Only 11% said a physician should "keep silent unless he had personally examined the patient," and 10% that the candidate's health was "off limits for public discussion." A poll of 833 randomly selected registered voters by Gravis Marketing showed that nearly half (49%) were not aware of the "well documented major health issues that Hillary Clinton has." Nearly three-fourths (74%) were unaware of Bill Clinton's statement that Hillary suffered a "terrible" concussion requiring "six months of very serious work to get over." The majority (57%) thought that candidates should release their medical records.

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  1. SHUTUP PUTIN! by CajunArson · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damn Russkie Republicans trying to lie about Hillary!

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    1. Re:SHUTUP PUTIN! by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, the Democrats want access to your medical records so that they can keep you from buying a gun. If you are fine with that then what's the problem with putting Clinton's medical records on display? I seem to vaguely recall the occasional physical of presidents being a minor news item. You want these people to expose themselves for financial reasons, why not medical?

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    2. Re:SHUTUP PUTIN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You mean you don't trust a neocon "physicians" group? Here is what AAPS is:

      "The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine"
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      Is your doctor a member?
      Are membership lists public?
      How would you know?

    3. Re:SHUTUP PUTIN! by ausekilis · · Score: 4, Funny

      You want these people to expose themselves for financial reasons, why not medical?

      I for one have no interest in seeing either candidate expose themselves. Even if it is for medical reasons.

  2. Clickbait troll much? by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Without actually examining her, how much faith can we put in their opinions?

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    1. Re:Clickbait troll much? by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      You mean you dont trust a neocon "physicians" group? Here is what AAPS is:

      "The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine"

    2. Re:Clickbait troll much? by alexhs · · Score: 5, Informative

      250 physicians responding to an informal internet survey

      Only 2.7% responded that they were "just a political attack;

      only 2.7% that there had been "too much emphasis."

      6/250 corresponds to 2,4%
      7/250 corresponds to 2,8%
      Are the opinions even real, or are the results doctored ?

      informal internet survey

      On the Slashdot polls of old, there was a mention that if you were taking the results seriously you were crazy. Applies just as well here.

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    3. Re:Clickbait troll much? by jlowery · · Score: 4, Funny
      Are the opinions even real, or are the results doctored ?

      I saw what you did there

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    4. Re:Clickbait troll much? by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You fuckwit. Stop being so lazy and think for yourself once in your life. Go read this diatribe from the President of "AAPS":
      http://www.aapsonline.org/inde...

    5. Re:Clickbait troll much? by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know, but it has to be the stupidest attempt to attack Clinton if it is an attempt to do so.

      "Hey, you know the current election? The one between a crazy racist lunatic who fancies himself as the next Mussolini, and that woman you can't really stand because she doesn't come across as honest, and she's always embroiled in a scandal or two even if 99% of them are fake, but ultimately you just don't feel like she cares about anything you care about?

      "You know how you were going to vote for that woman but were only doing it to keep out the lunatic, and even then you kinda felt like you didn't even want to turn up on election day?

      "Well, heh, turns out she's about to die anyway, so if you vote for her you'll more than likely end up with her VP pick being President. You know, Kaine, the one who's far more progressive than she is and nobody's calling dishonest and nobody's trying to invent scandals about all the time."

      Well, that's great! You just made it much easier to cast my vote for Clinton!

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    6. Re:Clickbait troll much? by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 5, Informative

      A sample from the diatribe:

      "A frontal system with very low pressure blowing in from the Midwest has installed a radical leftist ruling cabal in the White House. This junta is increasingly totalitarian, and has infiltrated all parts of the Executive Branch, including the Department of Justice, the Internal Revenue Service, the Environmental Protection Agency (which was already a hotbed of Marxism), and increasingly, the Judicial Branch. This cabal has intentionally set out to destroy the U.S. Treasury through outrageous deficit spending, massive redistribution of wealth, punitive taxation, unhindered expansion of the regulatory state, nationalization of industries, and finally, the passage of a leviathan entitlement known as “ObamaCare.” The President, acting more like the late Hugo Chavez every day, ignores Congress and the will of the people. He fails to enforce laws he doesn’t like, rewrites laws to suit his political fancy, and creates new laws with executive orders and memoranda."

      Definitely an unbiased source there.

    7. Re:Clickbait troll much? by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      even if 99% of them are fake

      Getting your government buddies in the FBI and attorney general's office to look the other way doesn't mean the scandal is fake. It just means you're too well connected to be prosecuted for your crime.

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    8. Re:Clickbait troll much? by The-Ixian · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you sure you can make that kind of diagnosis without the proper medical records?

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    9. Re:Clickbait troll much? by amRadioHed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trump is a crook with a long history of lying, illegal activity, and corruption. Real corruption too, not just accusations flung repeatedly until something sticks. And he's the one with the well documented history of stealing people's money and leaving them with nothing. I can understand why Trump projects his flaws onto Clinton, but I'm not sure what other people get out of it.

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    10. Re:Clickbait troll much? by admiralh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trump is two years older than HRC.

      Also, have you looked at Trump's waistline? The suits hide a lot of it, but it seems quite unhealthy to me.

      Trump also sat for the entire CiC interview while Hillary stood during various portions of it.

      And Hillary has released a professional statement from her doctor while Trump's doctor released a statement that sounded like it was written for Kim Jung Un.

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  3. Disgraceful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has no place on slashdot. It is extremely offensive to the memory of a once fantastic tech site.

    1. Re:Disgraceful by Salgak1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      RIP Slashdot

      Slashdot died years ago. This is the Slashdot Zombie Post Apocalypse. . .

  4. Look at the source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Look at the source. This groups says HIV isn't the cause of AIDS. This group says being gay itself shortens life expectancy. I am in no way a Hillary fan, in fact the thought of either of these two running the country makes me say, however this group is a joke and this stance matches every other hard right stance they take.

    This is damn near more a political group than a true medical group anyone should listen to.

    1. Re:Look at the source by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to Wikipedia, 'The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."'

      Even if we reject the "politically conservative" categorisation, I'd say that quoted aim casts doubt on their neutrality here.

  5. what's the medical equivalent of 'hearsay' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would have hoped "keep silent unless he had personally examined the patient" would have gotten a higher percentage of the response

    1. Re:what's the medical equivalent of 'hearsay' by Maritz · · Score: 4, Informative

      These jokers are obviously 'doctors' second to 'political hacks'.

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  6. Non Partisan my Ass by blackpaw · · Score: 5, Informative

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    "The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine"

    Says all you need to know about them.

  7. This is why psychiatrists are not allowed to comme by Elfich47 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is why psychiatrists/psychologists are not allowed to comment on the health of people who are not directly under their care. If you don't know what is going, you can't make a reasonable assessment of the subject's health. Doctors who have not reviewed the patient's medical file and made an examination of the subject should shut up because they do not have all of the information needed to make an accurate assessment.

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  8. WTF kind of garbage post is this? by amacbride · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I get that this is in the Politics section, but really? PRNewswire? On an Internet poll run by an organization no one's ever heard of?

    Sheesh.

  9. Do editors even bother anymore? by ugen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do slashdot editors even bother checking sources? Or have this site finally found found its place among tabloids? LMGTFY - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons ("The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."[1][2] The group was reported to have approximately 4,000 members in 2005, and 5,000 in 2014....The association is generally recognized as politically conservative or ultra-conservative, and its publication advocates a range of scientifically discredited theories, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there are links between autism and vaccinations."

    I do find it interesting that even these shills were only able to muster 250 out of 5000 members to sign this crap. I guess even in that group 95% are not willing to completely disavow their responsibility as doctors. In that they are already better humans than whatever slashdot editor that posted this.

  10. Completely unreliable poll format by plsuh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...responding to an informal internet survey"

    That pretty much says it right there. The numbers in this survey can be given about zero credence. There is no sign of vetting of the responders (are they even really MD's?), no pretense at a representative sample, and no sign that there was any attempt at all to prevent ballot stuffing.

    There were also no questions concerning Donald Trump's health, which makes me think that this group is partisan and has an axe to grind.

    Editors, can we please not publish click-bait non-news like this? I'd like to downvote the whole damn story.

  11. aaps by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

    The AAPS is the group that sued to invalidate Obamacare.

    That doesn't make them wrong, but I'd like to see more on their methodology; how many of the physicians didn't respond to the poll? How did they select respondents? Was it random, or was it based on membership in their organization?

    Incidentally, Open Secrets shows that AAPS only donates to Republicans (unless they have some kind of sub-lobbying group or something).

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  12. Not a 'real' group. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are countless faux doctor groups. This is one of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."The group was reported to have approximately 4,000 members in 2005, and 5,000 in 2014. Notable members include Ron Paul and John Cooksey. Ron Paul's son, Rand Paul, was a member for over two decades until his election to the U.S. Senate.

    In 2004, AAPS filed a brief on behalf of conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh in Florida's Fourth District Court of Appeal, opposing the seizure of his medical files in an investigation of drug charges for Limbaugh's alleged misuse of prescription drugs. The AAPS stated the seizure was a violation of state law and that 'It is not a crime for a patient to be in pain and repeatedly seek relief, and doctors should not be turned against patients they tried to help.'"

    The next year, AAPS helped appeal the conviction of Virginia internist William Hurwitz, who was sentenced to 25 years in federal prison for prescribing excessive quantities of narcotic drugs after 16 former patients testified against him. Hurwitz was granted a retrial in 2006, and his 25-year prison sentence was reduced to 4 years and 9 months.

    The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons is not listed in academic literature databases such as MEDLINE/PubMed or the Web of Science. The quality and scientific validity of articles published in the Journal have been criticized by medical experts, and some of the political and scientific viewpoints advocated by AAPS are not held by mainstream scientists and other medical groups.

  13. All you need to know about these dickheads: by Maritz · · Score: 4, Informative
    From Wikipedia.

    "The association is generally recognized as politically conservative or ultra-conservative, and its publication advocates a range of scientifically discredited theories, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast"cancer, and that there are links between autism and vaccinations."

    Well that explains that.

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  14. Re:Give it up Trumpsters by Maritz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Part of me perversely hopes you Trump fans get what you want. Because you're not going to get what you think you're getting, and it mildly bugs me that you are all so fucking stupid.

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  15. FUD at its finest by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What the hell is this crap and why is it on slashdot? When did slashdot turn into the Rush Limbaugh show? "Concerns" about Hillary's health are made up FUD by the right. Nothing more. Oooh, she got a concussion... (not) scary. Her health is certainly nothing worse than Dick Cheney's was. Ronald Reagan reputedly showed signs of dementia while still in office.

    This "survey" is funded by a conservative group which has nothing to do with the real practice of medicine and certainly no interest in actual scientific facts. I'm disappointed the slashdot editors posted this drivel.

  16. Why was this approved? by inicom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a) nothing to do with slashdot's "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters".
    b) blatantly partisan
    c) questionable news source

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  17. Not that anyone will see this, but I'm done here. by sirwired · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been a reader of Slashdot since before they even had user accounts, and if I had felt like making my first comment with an account sooner, would have easily landed a 4-digit UID. I have a couple thousand comments to my name (though not many over the past couple of years), excellent karma, and a long history on this site. I've always been impressed with the commenting/moderation system, which I think remains the site's biggest innovation/strength, and one that I wish more websites would use to get control of their comment sections.

    But over the years, I've watched Slashdot become less and less interesting as the quality of stories has gotten lower and lower. But this is the last straw.

    Rarely have I seen the commentariat completely united in pointing out that this story was a bad idea:
    - It's purely political with zero tech content.
    - It's a direct repost from PRNewsWire
    - It's all about a pathetic self-selected internet survey
    - It comes from a group so political, it might as well be called "Doctors Against Filthy Liberals"

    The comments section of Slashdot can be lively and interesting, but only if the editors pick something other than pathetic troll-bait to get the discussion going, and they've fallen down on that job horribly. Rob & co. knew how to get a discussion going; the latest bunch alternate between click-bait and the most abstruse and boring tech stories they can find.

    After nearly 20 years with Slashdot, I'm done. I'm deleting the Slashdot feed from my RSS reader, and I guess it'll go on (or not) without me.

  18. What kind of morons let this drivel pass? by hyades1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The [Association of American Physicians and Surgeons] is generally recognized as politically conservative or ultra-conservative, and its publication advocates a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there are links between autism and vaccinations".

    Way to go. Slashdot has been reduced to giving anti-vaxxers and homophobes and fundamentalist nut cases an uncritical platform to publish propaganda about a presidential candidate.

    Nice work.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons

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