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AAPS Doctors Run Survey On Hillary Clinton's Health (prnewswire.com)
schwit1 PR Newswire: Concerns about Hillary Clinton's health are "serious -- could be disqualifying for the position of President of the U.S.," say nearly 71% of 250 physicians responding to an informal internet survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS). About 20% said concerns were "likely overblown, but should be addressed as by full release of medical records." Only 2.7% responded that they were "just a political attack; I have confidence in the letter from her physician and see no cause for concern." While more than 81% were aware of her history of a concussion, only 59% were aware of the cerebral sinus thrombosis, and 52% of the history of deep venous thrombosis. More than 78% said the health concerns had received "not enough emphasis" in the media, and only 2.7% that there had been "too much emphasis." Nearly two-thirds said that a physician who had a concern about a candidate's fitness to serve for health reasons should "make the concerns known to the public." Only 11% said a physician should "keep silent unless he had personally examined the patient," and 10% that the candidate's health was "off limits for public discussion." A poll of 833 randomly selected registered voters by Gravis Marketing showed that nearly half (49%) were not aware of the "well documented major health issues that Hillary Clinton has." Nearly three-fourths (74%) were unaware of Bill Clinton's statement that Hillary suffered a "terrible" concussion requiring "six months of very serious work to get over." The majority (57%) thought that candidates should release their medical records.
Damn Russkie Republicans trying to lie about Hillary!
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
Without actually examining her, how much faith can we put in their opinions?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
This has no place on slashdot. It is extremely offensive to the memory of a once fantastic tech site.
Look at the source. This groups says HIV isn't the cause of AIDS. This group says being gay itself shortens life expectancy. I am in no way a Hillary fan, in fact the thought of either of these two running the country makes me say, however this group is a joke and this stance matches every other hard right stance they take.
This is damn near more a political group than a true medical group anyone should listen to.
I would have hoped "keep silent unless he had personally examined the patient" would have gotten a higher percentage of the response
You realize this is an ultra conservative lobbying organization, right? Of course they are going to say its an issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
"The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine"
Says all you need to know about them.
This is why psychiatrists/psychologists are not allowed to comment on the health of people who are not directly under their care. If you don't know what is going, you can't make a reasonable assessment of the subject's health. Doctors who have not reviewed the patient's medical file and made an examination of the subject should shut up because they do not have all of the information needed to make an accurate assessment.
Architectural plans are like computer source code with a couple of differences: You only compile once.
Why is an article about the poll on a speculative topic not related to the focus of slashdot even posted here?
The opportunity to register has already closed in many states. At this point you can't change the candidates without a lawsuit.
Architectural plans are like computer source code with a couple of differences: You only compile once.
I get that this is in the Politics section, but really? PRNewswire? On an Internet poll run by an organization no one's ever heard of?
Sheesh.
Do slashdot editors even bother checking sources? Or have this site finally found found its place among tabloids? LMGTFY - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons ("The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."[1][2] The group was reported to have approximately 4,000 members in 2005, and 5,000 in 2014....The association is generally recognized as politically conservative or ultra-conservative, and its publication advocates a range of scientifically discredited theories, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there are links between autism and vaccinations."
I do find it interesting that even these shills were only able to muster 250 out of 5000 members to sign this crap. I guess even in that group 95% are not willing to completely disavow their responsibility as doctors. In that they are already better humans than whatever slashdot editor that posted this.
Hmmmm...a PRNewsWire story that links to a lobbying group I've never heard of whose sole purpose seems to be to grind axes against government involvement in medicine, and which has as its address a PO Box and a protected email address?
Yeah, seems real legit.
But keep fucking that "OMG, Shillary is too sick to be president" chicken, Trumptards.
Look at Wikipedia. 1300 conservative doctors. This is a bullshit article.
Exactly. Regan was partially senile for much of his Presidency and the Republicans view him as a hero.
"...responding to an informal internet survey"
That pretty much says it right there. The numbers in this survey can be given about zero credence. There is no sign of vetting of the responders (are they even really MD's?), no pretense at a representative sample, and no sign that there was any attempt at all to prevent ballot stuffing.
There were also no questions concerning Donald Trump's health, which makes me think that this group is partisan and has an axe to grind.
Editors, can we please not publish click-bait non-news like this? I'd like to downvote the whole damn story.
Nothing wrong with Hillary that can't be fixed by more RAM and a firrmware upgrade.
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The AAPS is the group that sued to invalidate Obamacare.
That doesn't make them wrong, but I'd like to see more on their methodology; how many of the physicians didn't respond to the poll? How did they select respondents? Was it random, or was it based on membership in their organization?
Incidentally, Open Secrets shows that AAPS only donates to Republicans (unless they have some kind of sub-lobbying group or something).
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
There are countless faux doctor groups. This is one of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."The group was reported to have approximately 4,000 members in 2005, and 5,000 in 2014. Notable members include Ron Paul and John Cooksey. Ron Paul's son, Rand Paul, was a member for over two decades until his election to the U.S. Senate.
In 2004, AAPS filed a brief on behalf of conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh in Florida's Fourth District Court of Appeal, opposing the seizure of his medical files in an investigation of drug charges for Limbaugh's alleged misuse of prescription drugs. The AAPS stated the seizure was a violation of state law and that 'It is not a crime for a patient to be in pain and repeatedly seek relief, and doctors should not be turned against patients they tried to help.'"
The next year, AAPS helped appeal the conviction of Virginia internist William Hurwitz, who was sentenced to 25 years in federal prison for prescribing excessive quantities of narcotic drugs after 16 former patients testified against him. Hurwitz was granted a retrial in 2006, and his 25-year prison sentence was reduced to 4 years and 9 months.
The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons is not listed in academic literature databases such as MEDLINE/PubMed or the Web of Science. The quality and scientific validity of articles published in the Journal have been criticized by medical experts, and some of the political and scientific viewpoints advocated by AAPS are not held by mainstream scientists and other medical groups.
"The association is generally recognized as politically conservative or ultra-conservative, and its publication advocates a range of scientifically discredited theories, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast"cancer, and that there are links between autism and vaccinations."
Well that explains that.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Proving once again that rocket scientists are the smartest people in the room
Your mom always said, a PB&J is better than nothing, and God is nothing, is a PB&J better than God?
lol I know. They attack Hillary as if that's who sane people want. No, she isn't what sane people want. What sane people want is "literally ANYONE who isn't Trump".
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
If true and we are extremely lucky it means we could end up with President Kaine. Which if I had to chose between Clinton/Drumph or Kaine. Kaine is a no brainier.
> Hillary suffered a "terrible" concussion requiring "six months of very serious work to get over."
So the very thing that would make us like a politician - overcoming adversity to rise again - is supposed to be a disqualification in this case?
That this comes from the AAPS is not at all surprising, but if anyone needed more ammunition to believe conservatives in the US are sexist, they're doing a fine job of providing it. Thanks, AAPS.
Really? Slashdot is usually pretty well focused on science. Perhaps a poll done in a scientific manner would be good. For examples, refer to any of these polls which will give a sample size, the questions, demographics, and a description of the process used to survey. Real Clear Politics aggregates various polls: http://www.realclearpolitics.c... and Pew Research: http://www.pewresearch.org/ conducts many polls, then details the results.
she's been having problems with siezures and freezing up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
No seizure in either of those. Other than that, well done. Turns out being a Drumpf fan makes you hallucinate seizures. Probably not that surprising.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Part of me perversely hopes you Trump fans get what you want. Because you're not going to get what you think you're getting, and it mildly bugs me that you are all so fucking stupid.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
The election already IS a joke. The Republican party is torn apart. It is a shame, because I view myself as a TRUE conservative. Not the neo-Born Again nuts like you and your buddies.
"IMHO, it means voters should take a good hard at the running mate."
Swing, is the missing word swing?
What the hell is this crap and why is it on slashdot? When did slashdot turn into the Rush Limbaugh show? "Concerns" about Hillary's health are made up FUD by the right. Nothing more. Oooh, she got a concussion... (not) scary. Her health is certainly nothing worse than Dick Cheney's was. Ronald Reagan reputedly showed signs of dementia while still in office.
This "survey" is funded by a conservative group which has nothing to do with the real practice of medicine and certainly no interest in actual scientific facts. I'm disappointed the slashdot editors posted this drivel.
The sad part is they don't realize Trump is putting on an act. Trump is a New York "liberal" of the highest level. He isn't even very good at his act, but they are too fucking stupid to realize it.
Please, please, please, for the love of Gawd, hire a computer nerd to provide input on your TFA selection process. Then maybe, just maybe we wouldn't be subjected to stinking stupid crap posts like this that assault our intelligence.
"The ferrets, they're every where I tell you!"
a) nothing to do with slashdot's "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters".
b) blatantly partisan
c) questionable news source
-a.e.mossberg
Men are just meant to lead, that's why we don't fall apart like women do.
50% of humanity are meant to lead, yeah? I'm sorry, but "fucking stupid" is the only description that fits.
Is it just that your mind can't handle nuance? You think all men are the same? You think all women are the same?
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
100% of Trump supporters claim Hillary is unfit for President!
Seems to be the case. I saw the other day Trump suggested that the military should have its own courts. The guy's a fucking genius.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
I'd advise you to stop taking PCP. No one is voting for your hero except for complete fuckwits.
Why can't we downvote or flag the topic?
I've been a reader of Slashdot since before they even had user accounts, and if I had felt like making my first comment with an account sooner, would have easily landed a 4-digit UID. I have a couple thousand comments to my name (though not many over the past couple of years), excellent karma, and a long history on this site. I've always been impressed with the commenting/moderation system, which I think remains the site's biggest innovation/strength, and one that I wish more websites would use to get control of their comment sections.
But over the years, I've watched Slashdot become less and less interesting as the quality of stories has gotten lower and lower. But this is the last straw.
Rarely have I seen the commentariat completely united in pointing out that this story was a bad idea:
- It's purely political with zero tech content.
- It's a direct repost from PRNewsWire
- It's all about a pathetic self-selected internet survey
- It comes from a group so political, it might as well be called "Doctors Against Filthy Liberals"
The comments section of Slashdot can be lively and interesting, but only if the editors pick something other than pathetic troll-bait to get the discussion going, and they've fallen down on that job horribly. Rob & co. knew how to get a discussion going; the latest bunch alternate between click-bait and the most abstruse and boring tech stories they can find.
After nearly 20 years with Slashdot, I'm done. I'm deleting the Slashdot feed from my RSS reader, and I guess it'll go on (or not) without me.
You're right, no seizures. There was also no sniper fire, no coercion of soldiers, and no confidential emails sent carelessly. That video was boring.
This is the doctor that should examine Hillary:
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
https://heavyeditorial.files.w...
You are welcome on my lawn.
The networks try and cut it out and the rest of the pop media ignores it but Hillary Clinton often needs assistance to climb the platform at her rallies and speaking occasions. She also has a history of medical issues like blood clots in her legs and hyperthyroidism. Some doctors have suggested her imbalance may be a result of brain damage. 1. Fall fractures elbow — While serving as President Barack Obama's secretary of state in mid-2009, Hillary Clinton fell and fractured her right elbow while walking to her car in the basement of the State Department, The New York Times reported. Clinton, 61 at the time, underwent surgery to repair the elbow, and missed at least one meeting with Obama as a result. "Having broken my right arm as secretary of defense, and had the left arm operated on, I think I can truthfully say, I feel her pain," said Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates at the time. Secretary Clinton fell again in 2011 while boarding a plane to Oman, but did not sustain injury. 2 Faint causes concussion — In late 2012, Secretary Clinton "sustained a concussion after fainting," The Associated Press reported. The incident came just days before her scheduled testimony about the Sept. 11 attack against a U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya, before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Other officials from the department attended in her stead. The State Department said Clinton was dehydrated because of a stomach virus, which had recently caused her to back out of a trip to North Africa and the Persian Gulf. 3. Blood clot — Secretary Clinton was hospitalized in December 2012 after doctors discovered a blood clot during a follow-up exam related to her concussion. "Mrs. Clinton’s blood clot formed in a large vein along the side of her head, behind her right ear, between the brain and the skull," The New York Times reported, noting that Clinton also had a blood clot in her leg in 1998. She began taking blood thinners around the time of her hospital discharge. The concussion and subsequently discovered blood clot forced Clinton to ultimately take a month-long absence from her role as secretary of state. 4. Prism glasses for double vision — "As she testified about the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, the secretary of state appeared to have tiny vertical lines etched onto the left lens of her new brown specs," the New York Daily News wrote in January 2013. "Clinton's spokesman confirmed Thursday night she is wearing the special glasses as a result of the fall and concussion she suffered last month, but he did not elaborate. Experts told the Daily News that Clinton likely has a Fresnel prism placed on her glasses. The adhesive panel is used to treat double vision." Fresnel prisms can be ground into a lens for longer term use, and the prism is not visible when built into the lens itself. 5. Prescription blood thinner — In August 2015, The Associated Press reported that Clinton was still taking Coumadin, a blood thinner used to prevent blood clots. "Her Coumadin dose is monitored regularly and she has experienced no side-effects from her medications," wrote Dr. Lisa Bardack, an internist who practices near Clinton's suburban New York home. Previously, in a 2014 interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer, Clinton said she was "probably" on blood thinners for life. 6. Thyroid — Along with her blood thinner, Clinton takes Armour Thyroid, a thyroid hormone replacement, antihistamines, and vitamin B12, the AP reported. 7. Brain damage comment — In May 2014, The Washington Post reported that Republican strategist Karl Rove "distanced himself from a provocative report in Monday's New York Post, saying he does not believe — as the newspaper asserted he had said — that Clinton suffered 'brain damage' when she fell and sustained a head injury in December 2012." Rove had been commenting on Clinton's prism glasses. What is unusual about this is that they wheeled out this local doctor from Mt. Kisco when the Clinton family doctor (and candy man) has been a Dr. Hyman
Red Pill is leaking off of Reddit.
This is why psychiatrists/psychologists are not allowed to comment on the health of people who are not directly under their care. If you don't know what is going, you can't make a reasonable assessment of the subject's health. Doctors who have not reviewed the patient's medical file and made an examination of the subject should shut up because they do not have all of the information needed to make an accurate assessment.
This does not dismiss the one thing that needs to happen; release the medical records. That is a way that any qualified MD can make at least an initial assessment of someone's health and formulate and educated opinion, particularly in recommending her capability to hold a demanding job for the next four years. THAT is what is truly in question here; her capability to do an important job for quite a long time.
If she had merely caught the common cold 12 times in the last 2 years, I could understand people demanding only an opinion from someone who has directly examined her. However, that is far from reality, even with her medical history remaining somewhat private.
Goodbye then.
nearly 71% of 250 physicians responding to an informal internet survey
Now who would be most likely to answer such a survey? Related, who would consider 250 responses - when we have over 800,000 active physicians in this country to be significant?
As I've said before, there are plenty of problems with Hillary. Why go with these silly ones?
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
As you get old, you develop medical conditions. Both Trump and Clinton are older than the average main party candidate. Presidents aren't immune to aging- and *gasp* could die in office.
If that happens, that's why we have VP and a predetermined order of succession. When nominating a candidate, don't just look at the President, look at their Vice Presidential candidate too. In the case of the current Presidential candidates it might be extra-important; I don't think either are immune from being impeached early in their Presidency.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
I would like to see Hillary jog 3km.
Has she ever smoked, and has she ever exercised?
She has smoked, but she never inhaled.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Agree completely. Only a matter of time until /. is only valuable as a domain name, and someone buys it to redirect to CNET.
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How the fuck can anyone know ANYTHING is wrong with a patient that they've NEVER SEEN !!!
The psychiatrists are supposed to stay quiet - an unofficial blackout on diagnosing mental illness in the media - came about from Lyndon Johnson "misdiagnosis". Medical doctors should do the same. Trump has been said to have serious mental health defects - of course what he appears to be "on the stage" may not be what he's like in private.
Everything produced about Clinton so far are short clips out of context placed together to *make* a story. This is "Swiftboating"
Slashdot....the TMZ of blogs ;)
5000 is the size of a small down in the Midwest....
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
I'd vote for Hillary's corpse before a live Trump.
You don't even know what a "liberal" is. Trump is a liberal from NY. All those "NYC liberals" you hate? Those are Trumps buddies from way back. Hillary is more conservative than Trump is once you examine her background. I know, shocking!
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."
Not to say Wikipedia is an awesome source, but I admit I'm really not in the mood to dig up something more definitive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
This is why psychiatrists/psychologists are not allowed to comment on the health of people who are not directly under their care. If you don't know what is going, you can't make a reasonable assessment of the subject's health. Doctors who have not reviewed the patient's medical file and made an examination of the subject should shut up because they do not have all of the information needed to make an accurate assessment.
This does not dismiss the one thing that needs to happen; release the medical records. That is a way that any qualified MD can make at least an initial assessment of someone's health and formulate and educated opinion, particularly in recommending her capability to hold a demanding job for the next four years. THAT is what is truly in question here; her capability to do an important job for quite a long time.
If she had merely caught the common cold 12 times in the last 2 years, I could understand people demanding only an opinion from someone who has directly examined her. However, that is far from reality, even with her medical history remaining somewhat private.
I say she should agree to release her medical records when Trump agrees to release his tax returns. Fair trade, right?
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
The words "well documented health problems" create a huge bias.
Also the fact that they didn't ask about Donald's health problems indicates a real problem as well.
Look, Hillary is a far from ideal candidate. But as South Park says, "It's always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich". You absolutely can not ask people if they have problems with the douche and not ask if they have problems with the turd sandwich.
Or is it the other way around?
People, quick poll - is Donald the Douche, or the Turd Sandwhich?
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A person's medical condition is personal. The public has no right to the details. The folks who responded that the medical records should be made public should be ashamed of themselves and I hope I never need their care. Even if the records show that the person is not fit for POTUS.
There are already controls in place to vet for this stuff. Get over it. You think they are politically influenced? Too bad, get over it. If the POTUS dies, we already have controls in place to keep the system running.
Taxes & birth certificates are one thing, but medical records? Honestly, this was a useless article that should have never seen the light of day.
The poll has no meaning. I have lot of doctor friends and they all hate Obamacare because of more paper work and less money. So this poll is as good as polling a bunch of Republicans.
...I always thing THE TRUTH IS FINALLY COMING OUT! No, not really, of course. I think it has as much validity as those robo-calling polls that allow you to win a free cruise for participating.
I agree 100% and am in the same boat, except I have not checked out TechDirt.
Do you really want another person like Reagan or Cheney in office?
Hell no. I'm not at all a fan of Hillary but if the other option is Trump it's not even a remotely tough decision. Trump is just about the last person who should be in the Oval Office. Sadly there weren't any other better candidates running who had a realistic shot at the nominations. I would have preferred Bernie or Kasich or a few others but they never really had a chance.
(Incidentally, Trump reminds me of Reagan more than anyone).
I'm not seeing the similarities. I have a pretty poor opinion of Reagan and I remember his presidency well but I'd take Reagan over Trump any day. Aside from having a sort of peculiar charisma that appeals to some on the right I don't really see them as being very similar at all.
Yes, it has to be shouted at whoever let this pass through moderation.
You mean like how she agreed to release the transcripts when everyone else in the race did?
When it was down to Bernie, Trump and Clinton I don't remember seeing any thing.
Submit better stories. Problem solved. Except that is harder than just botching and moaning.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
A consensus among a tiny self-selected group of ultra-conservative lobbyists with a history of advancing scientifically and medically ridiculous positions is NOT a "consensus among doctors"
--- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
Why cannot the moderators take 20 seconds to check the source of this rubbish?
hmmm... sounds Familiar
Where have I read about this kind of thing before
In fact, even the big dogs in the press admit they've gone down this road before. Of course, they claim "it's different".
In the past, the media just went Full Stupid about McCain and his health issues.
I guess the difference is McCain released all his records and we knew what he faced health-wise. Will Hillary show the same courage?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Psychiatrists and psychologists have the same First Amendment rights as anyone else. That includes freedom to express their opinions and beliefs. The fact that this survey, crappy as it is, exists, should be proof enough.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Yes, lets all diagnose someone via an OPEN INTERNET SURVEY.
The only valid internet diagnose is cancer, so they are not even doing that right.
The sooner she's dead the better. Old Bill is looking forward to all that sympathy sex. He felt your pain, now feel his!
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This is why psychiatrists/psychologists are not allowed to comment on the health of people who are not directly under their care. If you don't know what is going, you can't make a reasonable assessment of the subject's health. Doctors who have not reviewed the patient's medical file and made an examination of the subject should shut up because they do not have all of the information needed to make an accurate assessment.
This does not dismiss the one thing that needs to happen; release the medical records. That is a way that any qualified MD can make at least an initial assessment of someone's health and formulate and educated opinion, particularly in recommending her capability to hold a demanding job for the next four years. THAT is what is truly in question here; her capability to do an important job for quite a long time.
If she had merely caught the common cold 12 times in the last 2 years, I could understand people demanding only an opinion from someone who has directly examined her. However, that is far from reality, even with her medical history remaining somewhat private.
I say she should agree to release her medical records when Trump agrees to release his tax returns. Fair trade, right?
Yes, release it all. In fact, create a law mandating it for candidates so we don't have to go through this particular flavor of mud-slinging every four years.
That said, Hillary has already proven her capability to destroy critical information, and the LAST word you could ever use to describe any punishment that has come from that is "fair", so I can only imagine what kind of colored "history" would ever be made public.
And if she "needs to" release her records then trump needs to do the same. He is older, and a man so has a shorter life expectancy than her. He is fat as a cow, gets very little exercise, so may well be diabetic and the only thing his quack of a doctor released was a fluff statement that he was healthiest man ever to run. Don't forget trump was also so unhealthy as a young man that he got 2 or 3 medical deferments. So I would expect him to be in poor health as an adult if he was in such poor condition when he was young. I'd also think he should be thoroughly examined for STD's given his proclivity for younger woman and his close friendship with that casting couch roger ailes.
I'm more concerned by the health report of Donald's 'ass-man'.
"The [Association of American Physicians and Surgeons] is generally recognized as politically conservative or ultra-conservative, and its publication advocates a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there are links between autism and vaccinations".
Way to go. Slashdot has been reduced to giving anti-vaxxers and homophobes and fundamentalist nut cases an uncritical platform to publish propaganda about a presidential candidate.
Nice work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Everything is a suspicious nail.
Exactly! I was scrolling through the thread looking for someone to make this point. It's a horrible thing to say, but I agree -- the prospect of Kaine inheriting the Presidency is the best thing about the Clinton campaign.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Yes, release it all. In fact, create a law mandating it for candidates so we don't have to go through this particular flavor of mud-slinging every four years.
That said, Hillary has already proven her capability to destroy critical information, and the LAST word you could ever use to describe any punishment that has come from that is "fair", so I can only imagine what kind of colored "history" would ever be made public.
Couldn't be any more colored than Trump's "healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency" letter and "astonishingly excellent" laboratory results. But I agree, all health and tax records for final presidential candidates should be released by law as a requirement for candidacy elligibility, and the FEC should have accountants and medical doctors on staff to do automatic reviews and audits of those documents.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Seems to be the case. I saw the other day Trump suggested that the military should have its own courts. The guy's a fucking genius.
He has also hinted at a desire to purge the top brass of the American military (4th paragraph from the bottom).
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
This organization is hardly impartial. It's a conservative organization that was originally formed in the 1940's to fight "socialized medicine". It takes a number of decidedly off-beat positions, including that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, that human activity doesn't contribute to climate change (what this has to do with medicine is beyond me), and so forth. See their Wikipedia entry.
Now, having an opinion isn't grounds for not voicing one, but under the circumstances I think this is relevant information about this group.
Yes, lets all diagnose someone via an OPEN INTERNET SURVEY.
The only valid internet diagnose is cancer, so they are not even doing that right.
After watching every season of House I can tell you one thing though: it's never lupus.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
If I'm worried about someone's medical condition, its the guy who's refused to release his records at all, outside of a ridiculously worded one-paragraph statement that the signing doctor says laughs about which reads *exactly* like the language used the said guy's own off-the-cuff speeches. Same vocabulary, same mannerisms. This is so over the top, it's really hard to escape the impression he's trying desperately to hide something.
Trump is 70. That would be the oldest elected POTUS ever (and older than his opponent), and we literally have no real idea about the state of his health. All we can do is eyeball the guy, and frankly he doesn't exactly look like a healthy 70yo. My doctor has me on beta meds and is trying to get me to lose weight, and Trump's got 40 years and easily 20 pounds on me. As someone nearing 50, I can guarantee you that there is just flat out no way a doctor looks over that person at age 70 and isn't at least on his case to drop weight.
If you're a person who honestly thinks nebulous future concerns about a candidate's health are a good voting issue, then you flat out must be more concerned about Trump than Clinton.
I can't remember encountering such obvious political mud-slinging here on Slashdot before. I guess I was under the mistaken impression that this was a zone safe from non-tech-related, political cow patties.
But psychiatrists and psychologists can be reprimanded and lose their license to practice if they go on TV and say "That person is bonkers, I can tell from watching him on TV"
It doesn't remove their right to say this, but they are still subject to the consequences of their actions.
Architectural plans are like computer source code with a couple of differences: You only compile once.
I saw the other day Trump suggested that the military should have its own courts. The guy's a fucking genius.
In the same interview he pointed out something that not many people realize (according to him, people don't realize it): that Iraq has huge oil reserves.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I say she should agree to release her medical records when Trump agrees to release his tax returns. Fair trade, right?
Isn't that just more political posturing bullshit, though?
I don't think either matter much. I think Hillary looks unhealthy. I've never seen a candidate for office go on multiple 2-minute long coughing fits or need a stool, and her head-bob seizure things look like TIAs.
But, if you're fine with the Clintons' massive corruption, all the pay for play shit at the state department, the toppling of governments and all the war dead for the interests of foreign governments and all that shit..."oh she's sick" isn't really going to dissuade one from voting for her.
Same thing with Trump's tax returns. I just don't believe there's anybody out there on the fence saying "gee, I'm fine with a wall, deporting millions of people, banning muslims...but what if there's something shady in his tax returns?!?! Nope nope nope #ImWithHer!"
Neither of the records matter.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
That's basically who Reagan was, right?
Yes but if anything he was the anti-Trump. Trump is all about scaring people and promoting himself. As much as I disagreed with Reagan on many things he was not a narcissist like Trump and he actually seemed to listen to his advisors much of the time. You could have an honest disagreement about policy with him. Trump clearly cares about no opinion except his own which is usually ill informed, damaging, and self indulgent. He is a pathological liar who spouts nonsensical drivel that is easily refuted and yet some idiots think he is a "straight shooter". Trump also is a vindictive, thin skinned, jerk who takes time out of his day to be an asshole to people who have the nerve to disagree with him.
His achievements (and failures) were largely a result of the people he surrounded himself with, not because of his own personal competence (Trump will be the same way if he wins).
That's true of any leader. The guy at the top gets too much credit and too much blame but really the most important thing they do is to pick the people who report to them, listen to them carefully, and to give them marching orders. I have NO confidence that Trump would do a competent job of picking good people and listening to them or that his marching orders would be remotely sane.
But he was able to project happiness and joy (or whatever) to the general public, and not just Republicans.
Trump does not project happiness or joy in any way.
...is how that part is not in the summary - but there is a link to a 1990s-style website's article by a retired surgeon who dabbles in politics by advising Democrats not to vote in the Democratic primaries - cause "it makes no sense".
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
You're right. The election will be such a joke that you and all your liberal buddies should just stay home. You guys got this. Seriously. Just stay home. It won't matter.
Liberals are typically well educated and good at critical thinking (certainly better than conservatives. After all, being a conservative by definition means you've chosen not to think for yourself but to go along with what your ancestors thought). As a result, you can be assured that most liberals realize what an incredibly bad president Trump would be. Indescribably bad. Probably the worst in all of American history. They will show up to vote against him.
Hell, have you seen how many conservatives are against Trump too? He's going to lose by such a landslide.
The Internet King? I wonder if he could provide faster nudity.
Because both parties should realize now that they have the worst possible candidate.
I keep hoping for Russin intervention in to the first debate to solve that problem
Time to offend someone
Wow - I had gotten used to the brain-dead twattle dominating the comments, but this is ridiculous. Good bye, Slashdot! It was fun when it really was news for nerds, and when the stuff really did matter.
Yes, lets all diagnose someone via an OPEN INTERNET SURVEY.
The only valid internet diagnose is cancer, so they are not even doing that right.
After watching every season of House I can tell you one thing though: it's never lupus.
I think the Internet could agree on 'not lupus, maybe cancer' Hillary's diagnose.
He wasn't senile, he had Alzheimer's. They probably liked first term Reagan more than second term Reagan.. Hey, he made friends with Gorbachev in the second.. I wonder how that went down with the neocons. (they are the same fucking neocons of today.. thanks, Nixon)
I have had chronic fatigue syndrome since 1994. It hit me like a truck and has only very slowly been getting better. Even now, I have to very carefully manage my time and energy. Regardless, I managed to have a successful software engineering and chip design career, then got a PhD, and now I work as a professor at a major public university and research center. To do this, I had to cut things out of my life that others are not willing to give up. For instance, I don’t have much of a social life, and I don’t get to watch much TV or spend time playing video games.
Some of us may disagree with Hillary’s political views or whatnot. Putting that aside, is she healthy enough to do the job? I don’t know the details, but we can see that she has had a successful political career. In public appearances, she seems to be healthy enough (but then again, so do I and I feel like total crap much of the time). Keep in mind that lots of past presidents have had significant health problems that did not stop them from doing the job.
We also have a fall-back plan. Is Tim Kaine any good? Can he take up any slack? If Hillary tanks, can he adequately take over the job? Also keep in mind that Bill Clinton will be around and he will be a very active first-spouse.
He should replace them with CEOs from companies! After all they have a track record of winning and what are these top brass? Just a bunch of old hacks living off the government dole. Leaches.
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - AAPS - is a non-partisan professional association of physicians in all types of practices and specialties across the country.
Since 1943, AAPS has been dedicated to the highest ethical standards of the Oath of Hippocrates and to preserving the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship and the practice of private medicine.
They are not getting Bernie out of his summer house. He knows better.
And if Hillary were to quit the race, it would be a feeding frenzy of wannbe candidates seemingly out of nowhere. Magnificent theatre. Buy extra popcorn.
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Why, it's only the guy who founded Citizen's United, bringing about the world of "Superpacks" - over an anti-Hillary "documentary".
Hey... remember that time he tried framing Bill Clinton for murder?
That's your world now, at least until elections.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Since they already do, it's an easy promise.
You aware of the UCMJ?
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Patience, friend. The rebuilding begins when the previous structure is removed, and a new foundation is laid.
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Written like a true Leftist.
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I only dropped in on the comments to see how bad the flaming was, but instead it was overwhelming agreement that the article was shit. As bad as the comments can get when there's even the barest excuse of a reason to talk politics, this thread almost gives me hope that things might not be as bad as the loudest people make it seem.
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And that's why men generally die younger.
Right.
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Following the Brexit vote, I suggest we use the phrase Schengenfreude for when those that vote for stupid get it good and hard.
I had a dream, bright and carefree, but now there's doubt and gravity
Since the AAPS is basically a hyperconservative quack science organization, I don't think they feel very beholden to ethics at all. The real problem is when other people give this fucking lunatics a platform, and Slashdot should be completely ashamed of itself.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
How many times have we been told to trust panels of ultra-liberal "climate scientists" about global warming being harmful?
Are we supposed to believe experts or not?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
They may have that right, but the professional organizations that certify them also have the right to hold them to account when they act unethically. Freedom of speech is about state intrusion upon free expression, not about whether the professional organization one VOLUNTARILY joins doing an investigation into ethics. If you want to be a lawyer, accountant, engineer, medical doctor or a psychologist, you have to agree to upholding certain ethical standards, and if you do not, then you can be held to account and even stripped of your right to act in the capacity of your chosen field.
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Part of me perversely hopes you Trump fans get what you want. Because you're not going to get what you think you're getting, and it mildly bugs me that you are all so fucking stupid.
The problem is that when all the Trump supporters get their comeuppance, those of us who saw through the act get punished as well.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
The polls will tighten, to be sure, but Clinton will be elected President at the end of it. And even if she does kick the bucket after that, the Constitution does have mechanisms in place, and Tim Kaine seems like he'd be up to the job.
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The same could be said of Hillary supporters. These people hated Bush, but now they're voting for someone who believes in the same policies of regime change, throughout the Middle East.
She pulls out. Bernie is pushed in as a last moment replacement.
Bernie is a wildcard against Trump. Maybe he pulls it off, more likely he doesn't.
Joe Biden, on the other hand, walks away with the election vs. Trump.
Biden Kaine 2016.
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I've broken blood vessels in my eyes. Nobody said I had a stroke.
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If the voters were sane, they wouldn't have voted for Hillary in the primaries. They had literally 4 other choices on the Democratic ticket alone.
Also, if the voters were sane, they wouldn't have voted for any of the Republican candidates who were popular (Trump, Cruz, Rubiobot, Carson, etc.).
No, because that allows either of them to back out.
I say it should be required for both of them to release 1) their medical records, 2) their tax returns, and 3) their transcripts for any speeches. Refusal to release any of this results in them being disqualified from the race. It should be mandatory that any candidate for this office release all that info.
Lastly, the election system should be revised so that someone can only win with at least 60% of the popular vote.
Presidential candidates shouldn't just have to release their records (since they could have a complicit personal physician after all). They should be required to be examined by several independent physicians, who can then decide whether the candidate is medically qualified or not.
They should also be required to release their tax returns and other financial records and also the transcripts for any paid speeches. I demand nothing less than full transparency.
Hillary's supporters don't care about Hillary - they care about the cause. Hillary is just one soldier in the war for this cause.
The cause is to grow government way beyond it's constitutional bounds. The cause is forcing you to disarm "for the benefit of society". The cause is higher taxes and even higher spending. The cause is national debt that our great grand kids will never be able to repay.
The cause is "it takes a village to raise a child" or stated another way "government should raise my child because I can't be bothered to".
Liberals envision a world where government is big enough to solve all problems.
Unfortunately, a government big enough to solve all of your problems is big enough to take everything you have.
I see the Hillary shills are out in full force. This isn't a troll, he's completely correct: both parties have managed to select the worst possible candidates.
Ronnie shouldn't have been allowed to serve with Alzheimer's. Your father didn't have nuclear launch codes and make executive decisions affecting billions of people. This job should be reserved to someone who has unquestionable mental health. Hillary isn't qualified. (And I think that if we got an unbiased team of doctors to examine Trump, they'd find a good reason to disqualify him too.)
Like, delete this! This isn't news, it isn't true, it's clearly totally balls-out insane made up. What.
"I don't want to start a holy war here..."
Why the hell is this on Slashdot? Okay, that's it. I have been a faithful reader since Slashdot was founded, but I'm now done with this has-been of a site.
Actually, I'm ok if hilliary bites it after the election. I think Kaine would make a pretty good prez. Pence on the other hand strikes me as the reincarnation of Dan Quayle. Quayle also from Indiana and had a constant deer in headlights look just like pence. And if you think hilliary looks unhealthy, watch some clips of that fat cow trump from the side. Mostly he wears clothes and gets photos from angles you can't see it so much. Trump reminds me of Martha Stewart in that she goes ballistic when a camera shot catches her gut.
That's quite a big down. It's 50 times the length of the field, in fact.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Am I the only one who knows how to do a google search around here?
The American Physicians and Surgeons is a fraudulent, antiabortion front group "Greenwashing" a rightwing propaganda operation
This is hardly the first time this fraud has been attempted.
LETS GET THE WORD OUT!
So sorry to see you go. I have only been on Slashdot for about 10 years and I'm disgusted by this story too.
Whipslash, please address how the editors royally screwed up by approving this story. A simple, "We're sorry for this" would go a long way.
Spartacus
It's been real, but not for quite a while. Thank you, slashdot, for helping me to finally remove your dreck from my RSS feed.
'The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."' Wikipedia.
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
Part of me really believes that Donald's health was "astonishingly excellent" given that all his tests were "showing only positive results". And I'll continue to mostly believe this until his doctor issues a corrected letter with his signature on it.
How hard is that?
Trump's tolerance for shoddy workmanship, as exemplified by his health letter, beggars the imagination. And I do think a little suspicion is warranted here.
That's far from a direct disavowal of his "accidentally" inverted semantics. Not all that far, in fact, from what you might expect from Clinton 42, if his weasel had blended better into a backdrop of verbal incompetence (problem: brain too big to drop the stammer-hammer "I do not recall having sexual relations with, uh, that woman, er, what's-her-name?")
Nixon was another Pinocchio president who suffered for having a brain too big to discretely tuck behind his thigh in a Statue of Liberty fizzle drizzle (if that's not immediately obvious, picture the opposite-George razzle dazzle of the Iran–Contra affair, ultimate doper's edition: don't look here, I'm less mentally continent than Frank Drebin shuffling around an extended care facility in a strapless night gown) so he went up the gut with "well, I am not a crook" only to slam into a human wall of meat, though not quite so literally as Mark Foley.
In this play book, where it concerns Trump's doctor, I'm not positive I could locate his actual brain given three Dixie cups and a hundred reveals, so the SoL mind-tuck is definitely in play here.
It can alter the proportion of good stories. As I said, problem solved.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
More than likely the nomination would just go to the person who would have gotten it if it were not for Hillary's DNC manipulation. Don't forget her conservative potential vice president placed Schultz in that position to do the manipulation.
Didn't realize I wasn't logged it. I didn't mean to post as AC...but it explains why I got a CAPTCHA prompt to submit!
I haven't voted for a major-party candidate since '08 (fooled me once, Obama), with most of my national-office votes going to the Libertarian candidate.
This time, though, I'm batting for Jill Stein.
Hillary Clinton is not an option for me.
First, over 2000 psychiatrists and other mental health professionals disagree with your claim. They had no problem signing a petition about Donald Trump's effect on people's mental health, even though they had not examined either Trump or the public.An opinion is NOT a diagnosis.
Do a search for "psychiatric evaluation of hitler" (hello, Godwin). You'll find many psychiatrists who freely give psychiatric opinions of Hitler without ever having met, never mind examined, the man. The same for many dead people. You don't see their estates suing, because they'd lose.
Also, there have been cases of psychiatrists being called as rebuttal witnesses without having examined the accused. We had one recently here.
The US has been doing psychological and psychiatric profiles of foreign leaders since at least the 2nd world war - without the subject's knowledge or consent, and without ever having met the subject.
The so-called "Goldwater Rule" is unenforced, and unenforceable.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I've seen plenty of my submissions on the front page - including the killing of Osama bin Laden (under my old account) that are news for nerds, not news about nerds. There's a difference but some people fail to grasp it. All news is fair game, as long as (some) nerds might have an interest in it. if you don't like a story, JUST DON'T READ IT. Unless you have OCD, this should not be a problem. You can even log in and alter your preferences to hide stories in specific categories.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
From the Wikipedia article on the AAPS:
Nothing to see here but a bunch of nutcases. If I found out my doctor was a member of the AAPS, I'd be looking for a new doctor.
"Informal Internet Poll"? Really?
No responsible physician answered this poll, because they could lose their license. You may not render any judgement on the physical health of an individual whom you have not personally examined - doing so is beyond irresponsible, and actionable by your licensing board.
If Clinton croaks, we get Kaine.
If McCain had croaked, we would have gotten Palin.
Not the same ballpark.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
“The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.” — Charles Bukowski
The sad part is they don't realize Trump is putting on an act. Trump is a New York "liberal" of the highest level. He isn't even very good at his act, but they are too fucking stupid to realize it.
You're assuming there's a real Trump with an actual political philosophy.
The only thing consistent about Trump's politics over the years is he adopts the opinions of whatever group he's embedded in (with an outsider twist so he can say he knows better than the elites).
It may be sincere or it may be an act, but if you want President Trump to follow your interests you better be damn sure to get your people into his inner circle.
I stole this Sig
AAPS are apparently trying to imitate the Tenth Doctor when he got pissed at Harriet Jones, Prime Minister (yes, we know who you are).
Not as successfully, of course.
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
That would be Bernie. No, he won't.
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I took a look at the poll and it seems that a majority of these physicians believe that HRC's medical symptoms are serious enough that they need to be discussed and/or disclosed by any candidate.
Tell me something, if you had a co-worker that could end up being your boss show signs of illness then would you not want to have some assurance that this illness would not affect your work? She's been shown to have some serious coughing fits. We've seen her act confused. She's had some rather unusual twitches/spasms. It does not take professional medical training to know these things are signs of potential medical problems. If she were not running for POTUS then I would not care so much about her health. It's not like I wish her ill health if she weren't running, it's that her health is not something that would be of my concern if she was to retire.
You seem to speak as if these physicians are dictating her treatment or offering a diagnosis. They are not saying what kind of care she needs, or claiming she suffers from some specific illness. What they are saying is that she is showing signs of an illness, an illness that may be serious, and these symptoms should disqualify anyone for running for POTUS.
Again, these are medical professionals that have seen a person act in a way consistent with someone with a serious illness, serious enough to be disqualifying for public office. They did not make a claim on what that illness may be, and they are not recommending any specific treatment. It's just natural for someone, even without formal training in medicine, to be concerned about someone's health after seeing them with a coughing fit like we've seen from HRC. Getting a physician to say that perhaps she is not fit to be POTUS from what we've all seen should not be considered any kind of medical malpractice. In fact I would like to see more physicians speak up about this rather than some talking head that studied journalism, political science, or whatever in college.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
Great point. However what you advocate is contrary to the way the current "two party + the media" system works. The media and the politicians can meta-discuss the discussion of the discussions, ad infinitum. This allows them to avoid any policy discussions, completely. This is not a side effect. This is by intention.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
I was initially fooled by this article. I thought that the AAPS was a "legitimate" interest group. It turns out that I may have been mistaken:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/11/tea-party-doctors-american-association-physicians-surgeons
I hope that someone else finds that as interesting as I did.
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It's obvious you didn't read the survey. Over 2,000 signatures, with names and positions. This disproves the claim that they can't speak out publicly. Nobody loses their license over this sort of thing. They know that it would just result in the Streisand Effect making the governing bodies look like fools.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.