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Apple's Response To Diversity Criticism: 'We Had a Canadian' Onstage at iPhone 7 Event (mic.com)
Mic published a report last week in which it criticized the gender divide at Apple's last two iPhone events. The reporter noted that at iPhone 7 event, women spoke for roughly eight minutes at stage compared to men, who spoke for 99. Furthermore, most of the women and people of color who appeared onstage weren't Apple representatives. An Apple spokesperson, who shared the information "off-the-record", had a weird response. The email read, "We may have different interpretations of diversity." The email continues, via Mic report, "he pointed to 'two African-Americans' who spoke at the keynote, neither of whom are actually employed by Apple. He also mentioned 'a Canadian, and a British woman.'"
The reporter has defended the use of "off-the-record" information, noting that Apple PR didn't warn her beforehand -- and as an important ethic in journalism -- they didn't reach an agreement before the Apple PR decided to share things.
Glenn Greenwald writes:They're 100% right. Nobody can unilaterally decree "off the record". Requires a mutual agreement or it doesn't exist.
The reporter has defended the use of "off-the-record" information, noting that Apple PR didn't warn her beforehand -- and as an important ethic in journalism -- they didn't reach an agreement before the Apple PR decided to share things.
Glenn Greenwald writes:They're 100% right. Nobody can unilaterally decree "off the record". Requires a mutual agreement or it doesn't exist.
So, speaking time should be determined by genitals?
The real tragedy is that most of the talking time was taken up by brown eyed people. As someone with green eyes, I am offended.
"women spoke for roughly eight minutes at stage compared to men, who spoke for 99"
People who actually count stuff like that should be sent on a fast rocketship to land on the surface of the sun.
Fuck you for stooping to the level of the typical clickbait peddled by the shitty news outlets. News for nerds? Stuff that matters? Is this either or the two or am I losing my mind? Give me something actually about tech. I'm taking a break from your website and turning on ads in the future.
It's a HUGE mistake to give any attention at all to SJWs. He shouldn't have taken the bait, but he probably thought that pointing out facts would satisfy the SJW.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
I mean, 80% of the Apple speakers were gay men and the remaining 20% were bi-curious, so what's the problem? Or isn't that diverse enough for you?
Aren't we in America? I thought this was America!
You are welcome on my lawn.
"The reporter has defended the use of "off-the-record" information," ...because she wanted clickbait, and is too fucking stupid to know that having the trust of her sources is far more valuable.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
'nuff said.
but you do automatically get jobs because you're a white male. you'll never be cognizant of it, as you've spent a lifetime building up defense mechanisms against acknowledging systemic racism. that is why any kind of favoritism towards minorities is threatening to you on a lizard-brain level.
there are some white people who are disabused of these notions, through sociological education or real-world experience. unless a white person is specifically educated on these things, they will fall into the favorable cushion of racism just like water follows the path of least resistance.
the natural state of the uneducated person tends towards egocentric behaviors and conservative governance - it is far easier to split the world into us-vs-them than to do the gritty political work of diplomacy and alliance-building. that is why the world is filled with us-vs-them thirdworlders, and a functioning alliance of 50 (more like 45) productive states is a rarity.
Have only white women speak. Works for most other liberal groups!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
But, if the speakers were knowledgeable individuals either working at Apple, or paid by Apple, then that goes all out the window. You don't stop racism by hiring someone just because of their skin color. You don't stop sexism by hiring someone based on their gender. I don't automatically get a job just because I'm a white male. I have to actually have the skills to do the job. Why should any other race/gender expect the same treatment?
That's not the point of programs that encourage diversity in the workplace. Nobody wants to hire somebody who is unskilled. What they want to do is encourage people to apply and make sure the workplace is welcoming to everyone. If the skilled people are minorities, that helps the public image because it *shows* that minorities are welcome in the workplace. And it is NOT a given that minorities are welcome in a workplace. While most employers want anybody really good who can work with their teams (because good people can be hard to find), that doesn't mean that the team will understand how to relate to the new person or that the new person won't face a hostile work environment. Sure, people can make mountains out of molehills, but there are also things that are mountains if you're on one side of them and molehills if you're on the other and if you're standing on the molehill side you don't realize that the other side goes down for miles.
Real lawyers write in C++
>> And by "people like me" she means "political activists" and "liberal arts majors"?
It seems to me that its exactly all those type of people, especially women, that buy Apple phones, whereas anybody with an actual clue goes with Android.
I sure as hell hope all this political correctness and "diversity everything" bullshit goes away and the pendulum swings back, and becomes mere background noise.
I don't care who the fuck does something, as long as they do the job well!
In a color blind, sex blind society like many profess to be working towards, then the FIRST thing we need to do, is STOP counting who is this, that or the other.
Life is a competition out there, and only the best at a job should win. Who cares if this or that is diverse? If you don't like how the spread of their crown/workforce is....move to another, support another, etc.
I mean, do you do this with your group of friends? Do you count exactly how many women/men/whatever vs black/white/green there are in your group and bitch and complain about you're missing X demographic?
Hell, in the latter, you have MUCH more choice in that and can directly do something about it. But in the job market, and in a stupid product presentation, do we really need someone to count category and demographic of the presenters?
Seriously, Who Give a Fuck...and why should they?
Frankly, aside from one of the presenters that I had a hard time understanding, I didn't really notice who was of what sexual/racial category.
If you watch something and THAT is all you see, then you really need to get a life and find more important things to ponder.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
MIC itself is a tribe of disproportionately intolerant young people who explicitly view attention whoring as a legitimate pathway to success.
And by inference, automatically be ashamed of his white maleness. He is guilty of something just by being born a certain way. We know his history, his personal circumstances all because he's white and male. Much easier to put individuals into nice buckets that fit your prejudices, but nobody else can do the same.
He should know that only white males can inflict *-isms... everyone else gets a free pass.
He should stop working hard doing his best long enough to realize that other are offended by his very breathing and he should do more to make them happy. Which is more to the point, he needs to dedicate his life to servitude of others' ideals and beliefs.
Let's let him know it's not his best that's needed, just his compliance to what you think.
I don't care who the fuck does something, as long as they do the job well!
I'm going to guess you are a white male.
Yep. He doesn't care, because I'll wager that he is not a member of a group that's been historically discriminated against. It's easy to ignore, or not even notice, a pattern of discrimination if it's not aimed at you.
In a color blind, sex blind society like many profess to be working towards, then the FIRST thing we need to do, is STOP counting who is this, that or the other.
Um, yes, and if you stop counting, you'll never know if you have discrimination or not, will you?
Nice plan. Instead of stopping discrimination, stop looking.
Yep. Personally I don't give a fuck anymore. If somebody thinks I'm being sexist or racist, they can sue me. Really, they can. We have laws they can sue me under. We have government agencies they can contact to help them out. The fact that nobody is suing Apple indicates to me that Apple is not a sexist or racist employer.
Until then "you're racist!" and "you're sexist!" are just so much "waaawaaawaaawaaawawawa." Just train yourself to hear only the teacher's voice from Peanuts waawaawawaaawaaawaaa any time somebody wants to say you're sexist. Don't tell me about microaggressions. I don't care. Don't expect me to roll over and go homeless so you can replace me with a diversity hire without paying me unemployment. Waawaaawawaaawaaawa.
Does that sound mean? Does that sound cruel? Too fucking bad. Maybe people who don't understand computers themselves shouldn't have been lobbing "you're sexist!" and "this closed source 3rd party program wouldn't have bugs if a woman was promoted instead!" bullshit at me.
You want to think I'm a sexist? You imagine I'm "sexually frustrated" because I don't date women? Go right ahead. If that's what makes you happy. Knock yourself out. Yep, I'm being a big sexist by personally filtering your internet connection in your home so you can't learn programming yourself just because of the body part between your legs. Waawaaaawawawawaaaa. You want to be serious? Sue me. Present your evidence in court.
Oh, what's that? You don't have any evidence? You're just a washed-up never-was asshole who wants to hold me accountable because you never accomplished anything in your life? Waawaawawaaawaaawaa.