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Microsoft Reproduces Google's Battery Life Test To Show Edge Beats Chrome (venturebeat.com)
Earlier this year, Microsoft said that its Edge browser was more power efficient than Google's Chrome, a claim that Google refuted with its own findings. But the debate isn't over. An anonymous reader writes: Microsoft is at it again -- touting Edge as the most battery-efficient browser on Windows 10. The company has rerun its battery tests from the previous quarter using the latest versions of the major browsers, open-sourced its lab test on GitHub, and published the full methodology. But this time, Microsoft says it also replicated one of Google's tests to show that Edge lasts longer than Chrome, Firefox, and Opera.
Or instead of resorting to logical fallacies you could look at the published information to determine if they are right. You know, by reading the released methodology and looking at the published lab test code.
Hum... so the browser with the most limited set of features requires less power... go figure..
A test specified, run and controlled by a party with a huge vested interested. And one that has been convicted for criminal behavior twice. Yep, that inspires confidence.
While I share your concern when it comes to Microsoft, the test has been Open Sourced. Please point at the bad part. Explain also why you trust Google.
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Say what you will about M$FT or IE or whatever, but Edge is surprisingly fast and efficient.
I bought a tiny $80 Windows 10 tablet with around 2gb of ram and a minuscule atom processor, and Chrome will choke at just about everything (especially gmail). Edge opens quickly, browses quickly, and utilizes very little memory.
Not shilling for Edge or Microsoft by any means, but for what its worth, they definitely improved their web browser pretty substantially.
Of course it has better battery life, it has no features and doesn't work with many sites.
SUPPOSEDLY, this one is supposed to be web standards compliant. I'll believe that when I have to start supporting it and I don't have to fiddle with css to get it to look right.
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Battery life isn't the be all and end all browser test. For me - on mutliple systems - Edge just stalls and stops randomly at the most annoying times - even if I've only got 2 or 3 tabs open. Chrome pretty much never does this.
What good is extra battery life if I spend 20-50% more time in the browser waiting on it to do something?
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Great. It's a bit like being the top dog in the dump.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Microsoft products generally perform well under the hood. The problem is the other stuff. The interface shows the signs of design by committee, and applications are configured in such a way as to manipulate us into using other Microsoft products and services. That is what we hate, because both of these interrupt the process of work, and replace it with the process of working-around-Microsoft.
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Battery life is at best a distant second in my books on browser performance. Edge just isn't very good. I've tried a couple of times to use it, but it's like some really awkward late alpha early beta project. It's also easily broken, which is why we basically abandoned in at my office.
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Unless your browser supports some kind of adblocking it is going to lose a battery life test.
I say "bravo!" for the Chrome team. Their results are significantly better than the prior test.
in the last test, Edge lasted 70% longer than Chrome. see https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
in this test, four months later, the laptop with Edge lasted only 11% longer than Chrome. If I were the Edge team, I'd be watching my back and not crowing so loudly.
Note that they only tested on Windows 10, because Edge only runs on Windows 10.
there are 3 kinds of people:
* those who can count
* those who can't
Isn't the whole thing missing the point?
I mean, really, when's the last time you were concerned about which browser to use because you only had 6 hours of battery left if you used Chrome to surf, instead of 7 if you used Edge? And, if you're on battery for that long, odds are you're binge-watching a series on Netflix while camping or something, and you will be far more concerned with the battery performance of your wireless connection and the video rendering engine, rather than the browser.
Far far more important than differences in browser energy consumption is the performance of your battery manager and whether or not your laptop battery is performing like new, bricked like so many get after a couple of years, or bulging out and threatening to catch fire like it's a 2006 MacBookPro.
I honestly don't care what Microsoft can show regarding Edge. I'm not going to use it.
First, because Chrome has a track record of complying with standards. Microsoft IE does not. Chrome has become the de facto standard at this point. Most developers that I've talked to in the past couple of years have prioritized testing on Chrome. If you want your website to work, use Chrome. (there's some nice irony here) Second, when they had the dominant browser, it was a disaster. I'm not looking to return to those days. In fact, Microsoft has shown a patter of screwing their partners and their customers, and I have no interest in providing them with any more influence or power than I'm forced to. Also, Chrome has a community of developers making various extensions. I don't use a lot of extensions, but if you're making your decision based on functionality, Chrome is probably the best choice. Finally, I can log into Chrome with my gmail account, and my settings and extensions sync to whatever device I use. Whether I'm using a Mac, Windows 7 machine, Windows 10 machine, Chromebook, Android phone, or iPad, I sign in with my gmail account, and I get all my stuff set up automatically.
Microsoft should just admit defeat, and stop trying to make their own browser. Create a metro-themed fork of Chrome if you have to, but stop trying to make Edge happen. It's not going to happen.
One of the reasons Chrome uses more power (and more memory) is because it forks a separate process for each tab you have open. That is, each tab is a separate complete instance of Chrome running in its own memory. This makes it tougher for a browser exploit on one site to access memory info on another site you have open in another tab. And it means if one site freezes or crashes, it doesn't take down all the other tabs you have open. It also dramatically increases the memory footprint and power consumption. (This is also the reason I switched from Firefox to Chrome - I got tired of losing my other tabs when one tab hug or crashed.)
Does Edge offer the same protection? Or are we comparing apples to oranges?
Let's hope the Chrome team makes some improvements to turn this around.
That's really how all this should go.
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Isn't the whole thing missing the point?
I mean, really, when's the last time you were concerned about which browser to use because you only had 6 hours of battery left if you used Chrome to surf, instead of 7 if you used Edge?
Um, no. In previous Chrome builds (<53) it would spin laptop fans endlessly even when nothing was going on and use at least 50% CPU, at close to max freq. Battery life was significantly worsened just by having Chrome open. So when was the last time I was concerned about battery life due to which browser? A couple of months ago it was a real problem. Now they're close enough that Chrome is usable, because it's so much better as a browser and only a little worse on the battery.
Explain also why you trust Google.
Who says I do? All other things being equal, I never trust any company when it claims that its junk is much better than the competitor's. This is about a particularly despicable company, not about another not yet quite as particularly despicable.
Actually YES. It is called "Market Competition", ya'know, that thing we bitch about lacking in the ISP industry? With there being Webkit, Blink, Gecko, and Trident all competing for top dog right now, us, the users all win. Each of the engines are trying to be the fastest, most accurate and complete HTML5/CSS3 representation, and now the longest battery life for mobile devices. So while *YOU* may not use Edge/Trident, Microsoft is still forcing Google, Opera and others to up their game in specific benchmarks that do matter to quite a few users. So yes, in the end we all win, and should care about the competition between these products.
Microsoft tweaks the OS to give the impression Edge uses the battery more efficiently and this gets translated into industry-leading efficiency? A better test would be to compare browsers on another Operating System.
Microsoft Edge now gets even more out of your battery
Edge is kludgy to use. It doesn't share bookmarks with my Mac or my iPad or my Android Phone. The "extension" story is all but nonexistent (there appear to be a total of 13 of them). In return, what does it offer? Performance is about the same, and battery might be a little better according to the benchmarks.
When I am on my Windows 10 gaming machine, I use Chrome exclusively. I don't trust Google at all anymore, but at least I used to. Microsoft has never been worthy of trust.
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Let's not forget, Edge is managing to outperform Chrome, apparently, even while spending significant resources ratting out its users in every way Microsoft can conceive of.
This is indeed a major accomplishment!
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Given that most of Edge is actually integrated into Windows 10 OS. What you run as the Edge app is basically a wrapper, whereas Chorme is far more self-contained.
If they'd have also factored in the power wastage of Windows 10 OS because of that, the results would have been much different.
Not sure. My suspicion was something was broken with the Metro subsystem, because the event log was full of errors regarding apps. I found heap loads of advice about using DISM.EXE, but the only reliable fix I found was to cook the profile.
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I wish they fought instead about whose browser protects the user's privacy best. But being Google and Microsoft (which is trying to become Google) I guess that's not their top priority.
According to HTML5 Test we see the following...
Edge 14 460
Chrome 52 492
FireFox 48 461
Safari 9.1 370
I guess Edge is getting there. It is on Par with FireFox and beats safari... However chrome has a strong lead.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
but... but... that would mean giving credit to Microsoft for doing something good! This is Slashdot!!
Our dev team recently spent an entire iteration enhancing the performance of our online products. They involve lots of resource loading, WebGL rendering, HTML5 canvas rendering, etc. Our benchmarks showed Edge was far and away the best performer of our supported browsers (Chrome, IE, Edge, Firefox, OSX Safari), particularly when it came to loading time. We develop using Chrome and only do compatibility testing on Edge, but all the times I've used it I was impressed.
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I have seen it myself on about a dozen occasions. The Edge splash screen will come up, and then edge dumps to a rather nasty error dialog. There's a DISM command that allegedly fixes it, but the only reliably solution is to delete the profile or, if you've got a roaming profile, to go to a pre-error backup of the profile. I've also seen Cortana fail in much the same way, along with numerous errors point to Metro app problems. Because we keep backups of profiles, I've long since abandoned any notion of fixing the problem, and just simply go to an archived profile.
And what the fuck does this have to do with Linux. Typical Redmond shill, too cowardly and pathetic to admit that Windows 10 has rough edges, and keeps talking about Linux, as if whataboutery somehow reduces Microsoft's culpability for foisting early beta software on the world.
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I use Edge every now and then, and beside the extension/addon support that is still a bit in its infancy, it's a *great* browser.
This is my "real life" experience, and keep in mind that I'm biased towards Firefox as my browser of choice - but I like to try to keep an open mind and test things out.
1) It feels faster than Chrome or Firefox, as in its responsive.
2) It uses as little energy as them or less, as in my laptop run out of battery later (be it because edge is partially loaded all the time or not, I don't know)
3) Everything that's modern works. This is not Explorer.
4) I hate the bing integration, but you can turn that off.
5) Dev tools don't seem as nice as Firefox or Chrome.
At the end of the day I still use Firefox, though I run Edge every now and then when I need smth quick ;-) (and I use Chrome for Chrome apps mainly)
So yeah, Edge is, in fact, a great browser IMO - and if it wasn't Microsoft behind it I guess me and others would migrate to it. Shows that both performance and reputation go a long way, in particular, performance matters more than it seems.
But would someone think of the poor prostates?
*snaps rubber glove* All right sir, this will only take a moment. Just try to relax...
Ignoring all the pros and cons about improvements in Edge's functionality, there is one very simple reason why I will never use it. Well, apart from not using Windows 10. I still remember what Microsoft did with IE6, and I will never give them the chance to do it again.
They simply can't be trusted. Windows 10 is strong evidence that they haven't learned a damn thing.
>They involve lots of resource loading, WebGL rendering, HTML5 canvas rendering, etc
I already hate your website and I haven't even used it yet.
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I only care about battery life when travelling on a plane, which is exactly when I'm not using a web browser.
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According to HTML5 Test we see the following... Edge 14 460 Chrome 52 492 FireFox 48 461 Safari 9.1 370
I guess Edge is getting there. It is on Par with FireFox and beats safari... However chrome has a strong lead.
HTML 5 Test has made some questionable decisions about what specs should count towards the totals. Edge, for instance, is docked 4 points for not supporting Shadow DOM, but this spec is still in draft form and nowhere near completion. Same story with Web Animations.... still an Editor's Draft, but is worth 3 points. Same with MediaStream Recording..... 2 points. Same with window.requestIdleCallback..... 1 point. Same with Credential Management Level 1.... 3 points. Same with Speech Recognition..... 3 points. Same with WebGL 2 ..... 5 points.
Do you really think it's wise to give credit to a web browser for implementing something that is in draft status and is likely to change? That's bad for web compatibility, not good. Right? Chrome loves implementing these features early, but web developers can't really take advantage of them because they're at risk of some future browser upgrade breaking their site.
I could tell the difference even on my desktop PC, to which I have attached a ten dollar LED watt/volt meter. That's informative even when the desktop gadget with the processor states is obscured...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
So, yeah, my Chrome will do this (fans) but only when I'm on a Reddit page full of animated GIFs... if you computer is always doing this, maybe you should close your Reddit window once in awhile?
Isn't the whole thing missing the point?
I mean, really, when's the last time you were concerned about which browser to use because you only had 6 hours of battery left if you used Chrome to surf, instead of 7 if you used Edge?
Um, no. In previous Chrome builds (<53) it would spin laptop fans endlessly even when nothing was going on and use at least 50% CPU, at close to max freq. Battery life was significantly worsened just by having Chrome open. So when was the last time I was concerned about battery life due to which browser? A couple of months ago it was a real problem. Now they're close enough that Chrome is usable, because it's so much better as a browser and only a little worse on the battery.
The entire website is of course not implemented using client side technology of that sort. Only the interactive bits for cognitive training that children interact with.
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If you count Webkit and Blink as different, then you can't claim Edge uses Trident; that's the old IE engine. Trident is a mostly-rewritten fork, just as Blink is a mostly-rewritten fork of Webkit.
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I use it at work, and it's terrible. It lacks even the most basic and common-sense UI conventions. I mean, I open up a tab and start typing and nothing happens--because the address bar isn't focused. Why? Huh? Who does that?
I'm a bit surprised my one sentence rant against fancy browser features garnered a score of 5.
Maybe if I had interactive cognitive training then I could judge these things better.
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when it lacks features I do care about
Such as? What feature should they be supporting that isn't still in draft?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?