26% of Netflix Users May Cancel Cable TV This Year, Says Survey (huffingtonpost.com)

The future looks grim for cable TV providers like Comcast and Time Warner Cable. A new survey says that as many as 26 percent of Netflix users may cancel their cable TV service by next year. Huffington Post reports: Where are they going? If you say "Netflix," you're not exactly correct. The fact is that, according to a recent survey by CutCableToday, 67 percent of Netflix subscribers still have cable. That's pretty much right in line with last year's numbers, insinuating that Netflix isn't necessarily synonymous with cord cutting. However, perhaps a more interesting statistic from the study shows that 26 percent of Netflix users may not have cable by next year. More specifically, 11 percent of Netflix users say they're going to cancel their cable contracts. 15 percent say they are unsure if they'll keep cable or cut the cord. What about the other 74 percent? The survey goes on to say that the most common reason people aren't canceling is due to Big Cable's greatest weapon. The bundle. The survey states that 80% of Netflix subscribers have their internet bundled with TV or phone service.

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Usenet

[rfengr]

And 26% of Netflix users will switch to Usenet.

Re:Usenet

[ShanghaiBill]

I am a Netflix user and I will NOT cancel my cable. Reason: It costs me $0. The Comcast bundle of Internet+TV+Phone costs me exactly the same as just Internet. I have never actually watched cable, and it is not even connected to my TV, but it is nice to have it just in case someday there is something worth watching. In the meantime, it costs me nothing. The free landline phone is also handy when I misplace my cellphone somewhere in the house and need to make it ring so I can find it.

Re:Usenet

[davepk]

I'm a Netflix user and i will not cancel my Usenet.

Re: Usenet

[stephencrane]

But then that just means you're being overcharged for Internet.

Re:Usenet

[mikeiver1]

Time Warner is all digital, the ploy is to force one into renting the box for a few dollars more a month. We have only internet, not paying them for a cable box I don't need for a service I have no desire of There are far to many commercials on cable anyway and the programs are abysmal at this point. I am so done with cable TV. I go to my mother in laws house a couple times a month and a couple of hours of cable programming cures me of any desire I might have for cable TV service. Also, I am grown up and don't lose my phone so there is no need of a land line (VOIP) phone.

Re: Usenet

[ShanghaiBill]

But then that just means you're being overcharged for Internet.

Only if you assume that it costs them more than $0 to provide the TV service. Since all the bits are delivered over the same cable, the marginal equipment cost is zero. So if they make more in advertising revenue than they pay in licensing fees, the cost is negative, and the "Internet only" people are being undercharged.

The likely reason they give TV away for free, is so they can claim a larger audience, and thus charge more for TV ads.

Re:Usenet

[jetkust]

smh. Have you ever thought why they are offering these "extra" services for no extra charge? The end result is you end up getting a bill for services you didn't want. You DON'T have control over this. They can charge you whatever they want regardless of anything they told you. My guess is the internet only option scares them because it's harder to find a way to sneak extra incomprehensible costs into your bill.

Re: Usenet

[mwvdlee]

The likely reason they give TV away for free, is so they can claim a larger audience, and thus charge more for TV ads.

Yeah, because the people buying adspace are retards who blindly trust the TV providers and do no market research of their own.

I prefer to asssume that the people who are actually making a living doing something are atleast as knowledgeable about their job as me.

Re:Usenet

[martinfb]

I am a Netflix user and I will NOT cancel my cable. Reason: It costs me $0. The Comcast bundle of Internet+TV+Phone costs me exactly the same as just Internet.

Indeed. Comcast's wisdom was in bundling. However, there needs to be a movement to force public ISPs to offer Internet only at a FAIR price.

I have never actually watched cable, and it is not even connected to my TV, but it is nice to have it just in case someday there is something worth watching.

You are not missing ANYTHING! Cable TV is a 'bundle' of channels that repeat shows over and over and over and over .... and ... over and over...
And, the shows are, at best, mediocre. It is obvious that Comcast is buying the cheapest shows at whatever deal they can get. There is NO consideration for consistent quality. It is the POOREST VALUE of any service I have ever seen. EVER. An obvious monopolistic money making scheme. Unethical, criminal.

Re:Usenet

[Karlt1]

I looked into that recently. Comcast charges you the following fees on top of the quoted prices:
- box rental
- HD technology
- regional sports
- broadcast TV
- universal Connectivity (for the bundled landline)
- Regulatory Recovery (not a government fee)
- TV communications fee (some states but you wouldn't have to pay the fee if you don't have TV service)

https://consumerist.com/2016/0...

Most of these fees can be avoided if you go Internet only. Also if you want Internet without a cap, it's an additional $50 for Residential. When we move, we will be getting Comcast Business for $89 (25/10) with no caps and be buying our cable router outright.

finger in the air day

[epine]

Another one, just like the other one. How come nobody told me it was Finger in the Air day?

Re:finger in the air day

[JustNiz]

Its been scientifically proven that 103% of all statistics are made up lies.

innumeracy overload

[Ken D]

67% of netflix subscribers still have cable!
74% of netflix subscribers aren't going to cancel cable!
15% of netflix subscribers are uncertain about canceling
11% of netflix subscribers are going to cancel ... or is that 74% of the 64% of subscribers who have cable?? ...carry the 1..
anyone understand reverse polish notation?

Re:innumeracy overload

[BarbaraHudson]

People are always saying they're going to cancel. When push comes to shove, they want that one sports channel that is only available by cable or satellite, or the cost of just internet access comes out to only a few dollars less, or the company offers them a deal that is too good to pass up. The cable companies and satellite providers have way more experience playing this game than the 26% who say they're going to leave.

Re:innumeracy overload

[Cyberax]

Fortunately, more and more people are getting cured out of the "sportsball watching" disease.

Re:innumeracy overload

[Dutch Gun]

Me and my brother's solution to that (neither of us have cable) is to drive over to my parent's house on Sunday to watch football. My folks still like their cable shows, so they stay subscribed, and it gives the family a nice excuse to spend the day together, yelling at the TV (nothing like a nail-biting come-from-behind win to get the blood pumping) and sharing a meal together afterwards.

Re:innumeracy overload

[AHuxley]

Some sort of gif Venn diagram or a new look MONIAC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... using fluidic logic and a series of tubes to model the intentions of captive consumers.
Actions like data caps, loss of usenet, deep packet inspection, slowing p2p, a la carte television, the costs of just profiting from expensive new fast internet could all be explored for shareholder profits.

Re:innumeracy overload

[pixelpusher220]

or finding quite nice free streaming sites

Re:innumeracy overload

[DeBaas]

and now 26% of parents of Netflix subscribers are thinking about cancelling Cable......

Re:innumeracy overload

[martinfb]

I DO!

Yet I do not understand this article!

Sweet I can cancel Comcast!

[CaseCrash]

Nice! Now I can cancel my Comcast television! And pay more for Comcast internet. And pay $10/month for Netflix, and $12/month for Hulu because I want to watch recent shows, not just seasons from two years ago (without commercials, since I can't fast forward like my DVR can), maybe another $9 if I want Showtime. And then $8.25/month for Amazon prime to fill in some gaps. And I like John Oliver and Game of Thrones so just $15 more a month. Oh! And I watch Stephen Colbert on CBS which was free for like 70 years, but now I'll pay $10/month for that too. Although I do like football so I guess I'll have to find a friend who still has cable so I can use his account to watch the games.........

Re:Sweet I can cancel Comcast!

[secretsquirel]

If you're that concerned about your media selection, perhaps cord cutting is not for you.

Re:Sweet I can cancel Comcast!

[KitFox]

It's okay.

Cost for me for Internet (Very Fast) + Cable TV == $270 a month, plus $22 cable box rental plus $15 for HBO + $15 for Showtime. == $322 per month.

Cost for me for Internet alone: $150. $10 Netflix. $12 Hulu. $15 HBO, $11 Showtime. $10 one time OTA antenna of 3-day delay for CBS Online (Which is fine for me ), and of course Amazon Prime, which costs me $8.25 a month and saves me hundreds a year in shipping fees. But yeah, folks who like to watch sports are screwed, with NFL games online starting at $50 a month for four months and then getting worse.

Mind you, the vast majority of the people I've done the math for get things cheaper online, but that's not everybody. There will always be some folks who have no choice but to get the TV service.

Re:Sweet I can cancel Comcast!

[asylumx]

There will always be some folks who have no choice but to get the TV service.

Watching TV is a choice. No, I'm not the guy who has no TV, but I do at least recognize that I've made a choice by having one at all.

Re:Sweet I can cancel Comcast!

[lgw]

Most people get internet + Netflix + torrents (and already have Amazon Prime for the shipping). Just sayin'.

Re:Sweet I can cancel Comcast!

[kimvette]

Try sling.. I'm going to be trying it out as the end of my Comcrap "contract" comes up soon. If Sling is as good as they claim I'm cutting the cord. :D

Bundling is monopolistic

[somenickname]

So, basically, you have a physical monopoly (the connection coming into your house), that we, the taxpayers subsided, that is now being abused as a content monopoly. "Sure, you can have just an internet connection. But, it will cost you the same as getting internet/phone/tv. Oh, and we are going to cap your internet connection so, I highly recommend you take the bundle." I really can't wait until these fuckers finally generate enough hate among their users that it becomes a re-election issue for congress critters. The *only* way this problem will be solved is if the outrage of the voters outweighs the lobby money from the monopolies.

Re:Bundling is monopolistic

[SlaveToTheGrind]

So, basically, you have a physical monopoly (the connection coming into your house), that we, the taxpayers subsided, that is now being abused as a content monopoly.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Customers who have both TV and internet service are more likely to watch TV shows via the TV service. Particularly for cable, that comes out of a different bucket of bandwidth than if you watch TV shows via an internet streaming service. In short, cord-cutters will use more--and likely far, far more--internet bandwidth over time than will TV subscribers. Building out infrastructure so that any given subscriber can reliably stream around the clock costs money. Data caps help keep the aggregate demand in balance with the current size of the infrastructure, and surcharges for uncapped data help the infrastructure grow to balance the increased demand.

I don't like it any more than you do, but at bottom there's no such thing as a free lunch. (In the hope of fending off at least a few reflexive downmods, let me be clear that this is a different issue than whether a provider's overall pricing is reasonable or is a monopoly rent -- I'm just discussing the provider's pricing delta (or lack thereof) between a TV subscriber and a cord cutter.)

Re: Won't effect me

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe the tv would explain when to use affect vs effect

Remember in America

[rsilvergun]

you're not allowed to make less money this year then you did last year. At least not if you're a corporation. Nintendo has enough money to lose $250 million a year for the next 20 years and they were scared enough of their investors to make an endless runner for iOS...

We're backing the cable companies into a corner. The FCC is about to take away their exclusive set top boxes and 20 billion a year in revenue there. Netflix is attacking them on caps and ESPN is putting sports online.

It begs the question: what awful things these guys are gonna do to survive? They're not going to go quietly into that good night and we don't have the political will in this country to reign them in....

Give me local news and I'll cancel

[Snotnose]

Used to be football and news, but after the realizing last year how hard the Spanos family was totally fucking Chargers fans and San Diego taxpayers I don't really care about football anymore.

Don't say "antenna", I live in San Diego and with all the mountains I might get 1 or 2 stations.

Re:Give me local news and I'll cancel

[Nethemas the Great]

Give me the Hallmark Channel as a streaming service and I'll cancel. Until then, doing so would place my life in imminent jeopardy by my wife.

Re:Give me local news and I'll cancel

[pixelpusher220]

yeah, I hear these 30% will cancel cable...and I think 100% of those are single.

Even if you could get all the equivalents via streaming...it took my wife a few years to get the hang of Tivo. Tivo! that bastion of stupid simple TV watching. I haven't yet seen a decent interface that can really qualify as luddite friendly and encompass streaming, internet and likely some OTA.

Re:Give me local news and I'll cancel

[stinerman]

Have you tried a big honkin' ass antenna mounted on a tower? Just a suggestion.

I can get most of the football games I want over an antenna, all the soccer, and then there's just the problem of hockey. I'm thinking of going to SlingTV for that. I just received one of those flat "Leaf" type antennas today and try that out for a few months. If not that, I might have to try to be handy and put something better up in the attic.

Re:Give me local news and I'll cancel

[Solandri]

I had the same problem. I ended up getting a Roku. CBS, ABC, and BBC have pretty good free global news channels. And there's a channel called NewsON which gives you access to local news feeds. (The app used to be really flaky and crashed a lot, which is why its rating on Roku isn't very high. But an update this summer greatly improved reliability and usability.)

And I would get a Roku 2 instead of a Roku 3. The button layout on the 3 remote is brain-dead. The select (OK) button is below the navigation buttons, instead of in the center. And the voice search button is right next to select. If you accidentally hit voice search instead of OK, when you cancel it it dumps you back to the home screen and you have to start your navigation all over again. And this annoying voice search button has replaced the extraordinarily useful instant replay button entirely (to replay the last few seconds you just missed). The two Roku boxes themselves are identical - I paired the Roku 3 remote to my Roku 2 before returning the 3, and all the Roku 3-exclusive functions still worked.

If you really want voice search, you can get the Roku app on your phone - it has voice search, the search and navigation doesn't interrupt what the Roku is currently playing, and it will automatically control your Roku when you've picked a selection. The main thing you lose is the RF control on the Roku 3 remote (don't need to point it at the Roku box). The Roku 2's remote is IR, and not very good IR. It's the only remote I have which doesn't work when bounced off walls. I ended up getting a Logitech Harmony Companion. It's also a RF remote and controls the Roku over wifi. And since I run my A/V through a receiver, it's handy for turning on/off both my TV and receiver at the same time. It's expensive though - more than the Roku. The RF control is well worth it IMHO, but be aware that it means you can't just drop the remote on the sofa. If you accidentally sit or roll onto it, the buttons still work even though there's no line of sight. You have to be careful to place the remote on the armrest or table.

Re:Give me local news and I'll cancel

[pixelpusher220]

the flaw in your argument is copyright. you can't just start up a service delivering content without paying for it.

Netflix bread and butter was DVDs...because they didn't have to pay for them each rental. Just buy a DVD and rent it 100-1000 times at pure profit.

Now, they are charged ridiculous streaming rates, per view. It's why Netflix keeps dropping movies...unless there's a significant viewership ongoing it's not profitable to keep it in stock. (and this is not a stock rotation thing...it costs them basically zero actual dollars to keep movies active on their service...only the copyright fees prevent it).

Re:Give me local news and I'll cancel

[evilviper]

Go to TVfool.com and put in your address, and about 20' antenna height. Anything -120dBm or above, you can get with good antennas and a mast mounted preamp. I'd bet big money you can get most local stations, and for under $200 total.

We should get out more

[jenningsthecat]

I'd be happy to see more and more people dumping, (in addition to cable), Netflix, Facebook, online gaming, porn, etc. Go out and take a walk, talk to your spouse and kids and parents and siblings, get together with friends to play some old-fashioned board games. Too many people, (myself included), are excessive consumers of prepackaged entertainment authored by other people.

BTW, I suppose I should add Slashdot to that list of stuff to devote less time to. Gotta go kiss my girlfriend now... Bye!

Re:We should get out more

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd be happy to see more and more people dumping, (in addition to cable), Netflix, Facebook, online gaming, porn, etc. Go out and take a walk, talk to your spouse and kids and parents and siblings, get together with friends to play some old-fashioned board games. Too many people, (myself included), are excessive consumers of prepackaged entertainment authored by other people.

BTW, I suppose I should add Slashdot to that list of stuff to devote less time to. Gotta go kiss my girlfriend now... Bye!

This has nothing to do with that dribble and you really need to stop preaching. You can be plenty interactive and still take advantage of modern technology and entertainment. Stop even implying that things are bad because you have self control issues. If you're so addicted to something that you literally have to make a special effort to kiss or talk to your SO you have a severely addictive personality. If you stop doing X you'll just find Y to fill it. Netflix, Facebook, online gaming, porn, etc... aren't the problem. You are. Seek treatment and for damn sure don't give anyone advice.

Re:We should get out more

[jetkust]

So true. One of the most insightful posts on Slashdot in a while, and may be completely ignored.

Re:We should get out more

[jenningsthecat]

This has nothing to do with that dribble and you really need to stop preaching. You can be plenty interactive and still take advantage of modern technology and entertainment. Stop even implying that things are bad because you have self control issues.

Whoa, slow down there Sparky! Touched a nerve there did I? I just read your response to my GF - the first words out of her mouth were "Transference, much?", followed by "you might want to mention that when you're watching too much TV or too many movies it's usually with me".

If you're so addicted to something that you literally have to make a special effort to kiss or talk to your SO you have a severely addictive personality.

Again, whoa! That's quite a jump from 'an excessive consumer of prepackaged entertainment' to 'severely addictive personality'. Leapt right over that vast middle ground between the two, didn't you? Probably didn't even notice it whizzing past in your rush to deliver what I'm sure you mistakenly thought was a crippling blow. As for 'special effort', I kiss my girlfriend several times a day - no effort required, except perhaps in finding still more opportunities to do so...

If you stop doing X you'll just find Y to fill it. Netflix, Facebook, online gaming, porn, etc... aren't the problem. You are. Seek treatment and for damn sure don't give anyone advice.

If you're so touchy that you have to lash out in an over-the-top angry response to a bit of mild philosophical musing by a complete stranger, my words aren't the problem. You are. Seek treatment, and for damn sure get them to pull the pickle out of your ass and reverse that humorectomy.

I already canceled

[NotQuiteReal]

A few years ago, I asked my wife "Hey, do you watch almost $1000 a year worth of TV?". We decided we didn't.

Don't miss it, have Netflix and Amazon Prime, and a 30 antenna to watch the superbowl (and Downton Abby on PBS for the missus, in HD, off the air, for free.)

We can afford it, we just decided it was a waste of money.

Re:I already canceled

[JustNiz]

Yep this.
I actually get better content since I cut the cable, from my antenna than the $60/month cable plan I had with Cox.

Re:I already canceled

[ZipK]

I actually get better content since I cut the cable, from my antenna than the $60/month cable plan I had with Cox.

Indeed. If you like to watch movies and reruns from the 30-70s, and live in a broadcast-rich city, the number of networks (e.g., Movies!, GetTV, LAFF, MeTV, Cozi, Decades, Escape, Grit, Bounce, Ion, The Works) on sub-channels is pretty amazing.

Re: Kill cable

[stevez67]

Sling? Seriously? They're another bundler of channels. We cut the cable years ago, went with a Roku and and now subscribe to Netflix and Acorn and get Amazon Prime video as a side benefit for using prime for shopping and textbook renting (and at the $50/yr student rate). The only thing we're even remotely interested in is a 100% ala carte channel subscription option. Any service that makes us pay for channels we never watch is a non-starter.

Re: Kill cable

[secretsquirel]

Am pretty happy with sling. A bundle sure, but the bundle contains the 4 or 5 channels that I may ever watch. Easier to flip past 10-15 crap channels than 150 crap channels, especially on the relatively nice Roku interface instead of crappy 1980's cable box interface. Doubt any a la catre option would be cheaper than $20 for those channels anyway. As much as cable channels want you to pay, even free viewers make them money, hence bundles.

cable went from $130 to $205 in 5 years

[Maxo-Texas]

and I cut it off. now I'm paying $69.88.

With HBO.

Look, cable is "fair" at $50 a month. Any price over that- I'm looking for alternatives.

I have netflix and it's still okay.

I just can NOT afford to pay $100 a month for TV. I WILL not pay $100 a month for TV.

Re: cable went from $130 to $205 in 5 years

[Anonymous Coward]

This! I am an employee who gets a 50% discount, and I am STILL CONSIDERING CORD CUTTING because TV is just so SHIT! It fucking amazes me how people can afford to pay so much for TV.. like HOW FUCKING BORING IS YOUR LIFE?! KILL YOURSELF!!

Is that like Kodi and Exodus?

[NewtonsLaw]

So this Netflix thing... it's kind of like paying for Kodi and Exodus on a Raspberry Pi except that you have less choice of content?

I don't get it.

Re:Ahead of the game.

[amxcoder]

Just did this about 4 months ago. Cancelled TV and home phone. Switched to Internet only, and added OOMA VoIP service. Saving quite a bit than I was previously paying.

I'm not sure how people are saying that internet a la carte is the same as a bundle price, unless you are comparing non-promo internet pricing to promo bundle pricing. Sure you might not save a hundreds of dollars, but in my case, the tv portion was going to be over $120 after promo pricing, and home phone was going to be $40. This was for the mid-tier channel lineup only, no premium channels.

I also don't think some people take into account the add-ons they end up having, or getting talked into. Sure, in some cases, with promo pricing, maybe TV is only $10-$20 more than just internet, but then when all is said and done, they realize that there is 1 channel that the base tier doesn't include, and move up to the next highest tier, then many want to add on HBO, Showtime, Sports package, or other popular packages as well. Also the monthly rental fees of the set-top boxes, and all the numerous taxes are higher because of the TV service being active on the account that aren't included in the price that is advertised (so they aren't factoring these in).

I think with a lot of people, they see the promo price of the bundle, and their brain locks that price in, "oh, I can get all 3 services for $60/mo!", but if they look at their bill after the first year or two, they would realize that after the special pricing ends, and they are paying all the real prices, and all the "Free HBO for 3 months" is over, with the options that they really signed up for, and they will realize that they are easily paying $150-$200/mo.

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We're cancelling Netflix this year

[drinkypoo]

We've just about watched everything on it by which we are really excited and it has been working for shit lately while Amazon has been working just fine. Maybe that's a result of our junior-grade internet connection but as it's literally the best thing I can get here, that's quite irrelevant. We will probably pick up Comedy Central when we drop Netflix, assuming it works worth half a shit.

Internet is cheaper than airfare

[tepples]

get together with friends to play some old-fashioned board games.

I think people don't try this as often as you wish because many people find Internet cheaper than airfare and/or cab fare to travel to where their friends live.

Re:Internet is cheaper than airfare

[jenningsthecat]

get together with friends to play some old-fashioned board games.

I think people don't try this as often as you wish because many people find Internet cheaper than airfare and/or cab fare to travel to where their friends live.

Too true. Sigh...

Does that include rolling a truck?

[tepples]

With FTTH, it only costs .50 cents per GB to provide bandwidth

Plus maintenance of the outside fiber, including rolling a truck if needed. Plus depreciation of the fiber modem (or whatever they call the device that takes the fiber line and turns it into 1000BASE-T signals at the wall).

Re: Kill cable

[bigfinger76]

Good for you.
Many people, however, enjoy Sling, and not everyone is a cord-cutting purist. The whole idea is freedom, yet there's always that guy bitching at others for not being free the right way.
Seriously.

Satellite too will suffer

[kgroombr]

Both cable and satellite companies are forced to bundle by the network providers. I can't get just TruTV, I have to purchase every Turner network channel to include CNN, TBS, Cartoon Network, and the ton of other channels. Because of this, we are force to pay high costs to obtain a single channel from the network. I ditched my satellite provider almost a year ago and have been using a plethora of free providers and a couple paid providers (Hulu and Amazon Prime). There are a few things I miss, but it isn't worth the $120 I was shelling out a month. If cable and satellite are to survive, the networks have to move to ala carte TV.

If only I could cancel cable again...

[ZipK]

I hate Comcast so much that I wish I could cancel them a second time.

Cable? Ick!

[Tsingi]

The only time I have had cable in the house is when I had young children, and they were only allowed to watch public TV.

What's "cable"???

[Tony Isaac]

Never had it, never wanted it.

In Houston, I get about 70 broadcast channels (of which I watch about 3). With Netflix and Amazon, and Sling TV for ESPN during football season, I have no need for cable.

Unlikely...

[martinfb]

Unlikely this scare tactic article will affect Comcast - the 800 pound gorilla monster finessing it's way deeper into your wallet...