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VR Devs Pull Support For Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down (vice.com)
After it was revealed that Oculus founder Palmer Luckey backed a pro-Trump political organization called Nimble America that is dedicated to "shitposting" and spreading inflammatory memes about Hillary Clinton, several developers of the Oculus Rift virtual-reality headset have announced that they will stop supporting the headset until its founder steps down. One of the biggest developers for Oculus Rift, Insomniac Games, told Motherboard, "Insomniac Games condemns all forms of hate speech. While everyone has a right to express his or her political opinion, the behavior and sentiments reported do not reflect the values of our company. We are also confident that his behavior and sentiment does not reflect the values of the many Oculus employees we work with on a daily basis." Fez and Superhypercube developer Polytron also said in a statement, "In a political climate as fragile and horrifying as this one, we cannot tacitly endorse these actions by supporting Luckey or his platform." Motherboard reports: Motherboard has reached out to several other, more well-known VR developers who work with Oculus including Fantastic Contraption makers Northway Games and Job Simulator makers Owlchemy Labs. Northway Games couldn't be reached immediately for comment but tweeted the following: "What. The. Fuck. [accompanied with a link to the news via Kotaku]" and "Definitely using every fibre of my 'professionalism' to not tweet some tweets right now." Owlchemy Labs, which is currently developing for Job Simulator for the Oculus Touch controls, declined to comment either way. E McNeill, who has developed a couple of games for Oculus Rift and GearVR, suggested that like-minded VR developers raise money for Hillary Clinton's campaign to counter the money Luckey has raised for Trump. [E McNeill tweeted: "Idle Q: Would any Oculus devs join me in a donation drive for HIllary? We could aim to beat Nimble America's $11k. I'd start with $1k myself."] "This backlash is nonsense," said James Green, co-founder of VR developer Carbon Games. "I absolutely support him doing whatever he wants politically if it's legal. To take any other position is against American values."
So basically these developers are intolerant of any type of political message other than their own.
This isn't what you get with the Citizens United decision. This is what you get when money can buy hate.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
As long as you think EXACTLY the way they do.
Of course if he was "shitposting" Trump, that would be A-OK, right?
"While everyone has a right to express his or her political opinion", because the second part to that sentence always comes out being something like, "we don't think this person should be able to express theirs."
Also apparently Luckey's girlfriend has been harassed off of Twitter, and you'll get banned from NeoGaf if you suggest that maybe she shouldn't be harassed. Stay classy, internet.
Karma: Terrifying (mostly affected by atrocities you've committed)
And so, in the name of "tolerance", they consigned heterodox unbelievers to a blacklist.
Palmer Lucky is Brendon Eich 2.0.
Considering how much corporate money is flowing into Hillary's campaign... She's obviously not going to change that.
Hillary... on paper, she's everything Democrats claim to hate.
And for a party that claims to fight hate... There sure is a lot of violence, racisim and hate coming from the party that says they want to bring us together.
Of course... they mean "we want to unite... as long as you vote Democrat and agree with everything we say". It's all about freedom of speech and freedom of expression until you say "Hillary is a POS".
Can they not even see what parodies of themselves they've become?
TV tells them someone is hitler and they all try to out-tantrum one another.
It's not even about supporting Trump anymore, it's about being ashamed to stand with or anywhere near these people. They don't have any liberal values. They run on feigned indignation and trying to publicly shame others.
It's pathetic. Pull yourselves together, you numbnuts.
Without hate speech, how could we rag on republicans?
What is astonishing to me is the level of rhetoric and the stretch of logic that has come into place since our Alien vs. Predator presidential race (i.e. whoever wins, we lose). Now we have a situation just like the Mozilla debacle with Brendan Eich except that it is much much flimsier an argument this time around.
But here's the thing, Insomniac and Polytron management: your job is to make money for the investors of your company, not to use them as some political tool because you disagree with the politics of one of the employees of Oculus. Period.
These decisions will only harm these companies financially because of diminished interest from people who own an Oculus. Unless the management has concrete data that their continued support of the Oculus will harm their sales due to the political connection (and I'll bet diamonds to dollars that they don't), then the boards of directors of all of these companies should direct the executive management of the companies that withdrew support for Oculus to reverse their decision or be terminated for breach of fiduciary duty.
Enough of this SJW bullshit, especially when investor money and returns are at stake and the backlash from these actions could be worse. E McNeill is totally correct - if you want to fight a Trump supporter, put your own money up rather than trying to suppress others as if you were some Soviet-era state enterprise licking the boots of the party you support.
Disagree with Hillary being what Democrats hate?
Rich? White? Elite? Above the law? Votes for every war put before her? Is a LARGE part of what's responsible for the Middle East being the cluster fuck it is? Racist comments like "I'm late? I must be on CP time." because, you know, colored people are to lazy to be on time? Super Predators?
What about Hillary doesn't scream "This is what Democrats hate"?
Not the best choice? Neither candidate is trustworthy, but Trump hasn't gotten a good portion of the world mired in failed countries at war. When it comes to war, Hillary is probably to the right of any previous president, including W.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
"This backlash is nonsense," said James Green, co-founder of VR developer Carbon Games. "I absolutely support him doing whatever he wants politically if it's legal. To take any other position is against American values."
I have little to no interest in VR, and negative interest in Oculus. But I now know of Carbon Games and have a respectful view of them.
Conversely, I also now know of Polytron and have a negative opinion of them. Insomniac was also a 2nd rate developer and now I have further reason to ignore them.
Look, we all get to make free choices. If those choices piss off others who disagree, so be it. The ONLY thing that really matters - fundamentally - is the Constitution, which DOES say "Congress shall make no law..." but does NOT say "There shall be no social media reactions...". Easy-squeazy, baby!
This isn't what you get with the Citizens United decision. This is what you get when money can buy hate.
Money is protected speech. Including hate speech. That's Citizens United for you, buddy. And, for the record, Hillary was the original opponent of Citizens United.
Please remember your history. There was a lot of mire in the Middle East before 9/11, exacerbated by the mess Pres Geo Bush got us into.
This isn't her fault, much of it isn't Pres Geo Bush's fault. This has been boiling for forty+ years.
You're not paying attention, in my opinion.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
"Shitposting" is fraud rather than speech for a few reasons.
It is knowingly false. For example, "shitposters" distribute a purported photo of Hillary Clinton in blackface with Bill, which doesn't match her eye color or her and Bill's appearance at the time. But they keep distributing it.
They then spoof the comment system by having robots upmod posts and downmod their detractors, thus fraudulently promoting their comments as highly regarded.
They mis-state the first amendment of the constitution by telling people that reactions to their abuse are hypocritical and against the first amendment, when the first amendment does not protect anyone from the consequences of their speech, nor does it promise anyone the podium of their choice.
Taking action to show your disapproval of such action is laudable.
Bruce Perens.
You're boycotting people for boycotting people?
Very, very true. I'm against Citizens United, but also, campaign contributions from 1) outside the USA of any kind 2) outside of an electoral district from any source 3) contributions that aren't made from an anonymous donor pool and 4) contributions of over $500 by any individual-- and only corporations domiciled within the electoral district, paid once, to one candidate per office.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
You can yell "fire" in a crowded theater. You can be held responsible for the direct result, but no one can ever legally restrict your right to say whatever you want.
That is a nonsensical statement. The only thing that makes something a crime is that you are 'held responsible' afterwards, there is nothing specially sacrosanct about speech. The reason you can't be restricted from saying criminal things is because nobody knows what the fuck you are going to say before you say it.
It's Trump's emphasis on "defeat them quickly" that led me to the same conclusion. I don't think a few nuclear bombs will do that much damage, though they would still be war crimes. The real risk is that Trump bungles his "limited" nuclear attack and somehow sucks Pakistan or Israel into the mess... Given the Donald's record of bungling everything he touches, I wouldn't bet on a good outcome. There are some Trump supporters who would gladly welcome a permanent state of war with 1.6 billion Muslims.
On the Hillary thing, I don't even like her, but I don't see how to get to "dystopia" if she wins. Seems most likely that she'll pretty much stay the course, and we certainly haven't gotten to dystopia yet. I'd prefer her to change the course in a more positive direction, but I don't expect her to do it unless we give her a progressive Congress and they put the pressure on her. There used to be a time when that could have included some progressive Republicans, but they've been exterminated from today's so-called Republican Party.
On my Subject: question, I really have no idea. Too many years since I got one.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Give Trump a chance, he'd probably invade the sun.
The secret plan is to surprise them by going at night.
It's pretty terrifying to me that on multiple occasions Trump has publicly said his strategy with respect to nuclear weapons was to, "be very unpredictable."
I've volunteered to protest. No one needs to pay me. Soros is a skunk.
You dismiss many people in one swoop. Do you fear these people that much?
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
He plays a game called, "I'm just crazy enough to do it", a sort of bully's aggression play. Might work well in business, but that's money vs lives at stake vs uncontrolled war.
It's my greatest fear.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
Wow, he was right and you can't deal with reality
"This backlash is nonsense," said James Green, co-founder of VR developer Carbon Games. "I absolutely support him doing whatever he wants politically if it's legal. To take any other position is against American values."
I think you meant to say you absolutely support other people doing what they want politically if it's legal, such as disagreeing with Luckey, or boycotting his product, or raising money for Clinton in response. Because taking any other position would be against American values _and_ hypocritical, right?
And yes, he's perfectly within his rights to say what he said, and i'm within my rights to point out the contradiction, and other people are within their rights to respond to me with disagreements, and etc. Saying that one person gets to have their say and everyone else needs to shut up about it after that is not how political discourse works.
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Don't scapegoat the money. Blame the people who take it, and stop voting for them.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
It's been going on for a lot more than 40 years. However, look at the decisions that have been made. You don't promote peace by giving arms to both sides so they can kill each other.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Pretty much every comment here on Trumps side has used racist slurs, homophobe insults, insults denigrating women
Read the emails where DNC "leaders" indulge in - racist slurs, homophobe[sic] insults, insults denigrating women and insults denigrating black women.
There is a reason the Democrat Party is the Party of the Klu Klux Klan. Also the party that loves eugenics and Margaret Sanger (who loved eugenics) and whose "organization" has killed over 40 million black babies since its inception. Margaret Sanger is a hero to Hillary by her own words, as was the racist Robert Byrd. You know, that Democrat Senator that was a Klu Klux Klan Grand Dragon and bragged he had the highest recruitment rate of anyone in his state. He served until 2010 in the senate. Hillary said many times he was her mentor.
Margaret Sanger's mission was to eliminate the black race. And look how things have turned out for blacks under the Democrats. Look at Chicago, Detroit and Baltimore (and more), all bastions of Democratic Progressive Liberalism for decades. If a person can't see 'it' they are a Democrat Racist for sure. Actions speak louder than words.
The Middle East has been a region of conflict since the dawn of time. The most recent bout started in the 1910s as the Ottoman Empire imploded, and basically has continued through the present day. And it was hardly peaceful before.
Both candidates are very far from ideal and have a distant relationship with whatever passes for the truth in this post-factual world but considering what a stranger he also is to logic, reason and intellect, I'm surprised at the amount of support he gets on Slashdot.
Not sure how to take your comment, but if I take it on it's face value, then the obvious question is "How can they keep it a secret? Or even maintain partial secrecy?"
It's like imagining there are hordes of voters who are working in secret to vote twice so they can affect elections. Someone would be sure to leak it. You can't have a secret conspiracy with too many people involved or it has to unravel when someone leaks the secret.
In the case of the 50-cent Party, the lack of secrecy doesn't matter. They want to increase the paranoia. Is he working for the 50-cent Party? Is he a sincere believer in the propaganda? Or is he maybe working on a portfolio to get hired by the 50-cent Party? Whichever the case, if you are a sincere dissident who posted something in public, then having noticed and noted your disagreeing comment, he's likely to pass your name up the chain.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
It's OK to refuse to tolerate intolerance. Indeed, it's something you need to do.
Bruce Perens.
What you are telling me is that they didn't tolerate intolerance. Good for them.
Bruce Perens.
In other news, the internet image board, 4chan, has announced that it's planned takeover of the United States is now complete. An anonymous spokesbear for the group commented, "We're happy to see that our hilarious methods of juvenile discourse have finally taken root in mainstream American culture. While political speech in the US has been vapid and completely void of meaningful content for decades, we couldn't rest until it was also vindictive and insulting. Once the elections are over, and it *really* doesn't matter who wins, we can look forward to a stabilizing period of denial of service while the victor scoops up as much wealth as possible and deposits it in their goody bag. I just want to thank the American people, once again, for choosing us as their moral role models."
Constant shouts of Soros are pretty silly. He's the ostensible boogeyman behind everything. I don't think he gives a fleep about the whole matter. OTOH, I know individuals that have nothing to do with corporate money that are plentifully incensed about the pipeline, and it would seem from the facts, with good reason.
Statistically, pipeline spills are up, and their damage increasing. I have no financial stake in any of it.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
and suddenly the quality of games/apps for oculus rift increases exponentially.
The CEO of a construction company I worked for is a very right wing anti Clinton person. That company has built a number of roads and infrastructure around the country among other projects.
You gonna protest and blacklist every goddamn thing built by someone you disagree with? You might as well stay home.
(except the company that built your home might be run by a fascist too. Who hired illegal immigrants to build it.)
At some point, you have to stop this mass organizing against people who hold opinions contrary to yours. They are not up for election.
The Cuban Missile Crisis.
Oops
Worked for Nixon. Matter of fact it's been the basis of our defense since the 50s.
Worked for Nixon. Matter of fact it's been the basis of our defense since the 50s.
Define "worked". I don't remember a US victory in Vietnam.
Ideology: A tool used primarily to avoid the bother of thinking.
And people should stop taking Trump's campaign statements seriously. Candidates running for office say and promise anything to get elected but rarely implement any of their campaign promises.
Then what should we judge him on exactly? His many fraudulent businesses dealings? His terrible interpersonal skills? His constant, pathological lying about things that can be simply fact checked? His ridiculous hair? Give me something here.
Trump would have no support from either party and the chance of him getting some of his more crazy ideas moved forward is effectively nil.
Again, if you don't believe any of his platform will actually happen then you are effectively voting for a complete unknown politically, and a person that has shown to be vulgar, petty, vindictive and racist on a personal level.
If you think the intolerance exists on only one side you are blind, probably willfully so. And it's as reasonable to call the right hypocritical for that as the left. (At one point it was more reasonable, but you don't often find the right any longer even pretending to be strict constitutionalists.)
FWIW, I have more sympathy for that stated goals of the left than of the right, but in both cases their stated goals would result in a non-functional society. And there are, in both cases, adequate grounds for not trusting the purported candidate wielders of power with even the intent of accomplishing many of the stated goals. And in both cases most of the ones they are most likely to attempt to accomplish are the ones I would really rather they forgot. There are some exceptions, e.g. Hillary might actually try to improve the cost of education.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Watching you all fight over which corrupt goon we should hire, has been both the most entertaining, and the most dismal thing I have EVER experienced in this life.
Well that may be because you don't remember the events.
Here's the timeline for you
Paris Peace Accords 1973
Nixon Resigns 1974
Saigon Falls 1975
And you're just asking for retaliation for Hillary's shitposting and inflammatory memes. I don't want to see commerce imploding because no one will work or buy from anyone else. If you're going to try to screw each other over, can't you at least keep it to politics?
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This is free speech working the way it should work.
I refer you to the XKCD panels about the First Amendment.
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/fr...
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
This is more than a bit rich, because you are saying this as the Anonymous Coward of Slashdot, a role reserved for those who will not stand behind their own speech.
I try really hard to be the kind of person whom I will like when I get up in the morning and look in the mirror. I care little about the opinions of others outside of my family.
I have certainly come to deplore some behavior by people who claim to be Libertarians, but whom I classify as "me Libertarians", meaning they value their personal freedom even when it comes at the expense of the freedom of others.
Bruce Perens.
Not the best choice? Neither candidate is trustworthy, but Trump hasn't gotten a good portion of the world mired in failed countries at war.
Trump heads the political party that started those wars, and he is their elected candidate. He supported those wars.
His plan at the moment is to kill millions of innocent people with trident missiles fired from submarines in the persian gulf.
Unless he is lying?
I agree its everybody right to speak their mind, but they have to prepare for the consequences of their actions. what goes up, must come down i think is about darm time enough people get up and surface these actions. it's these brave actions by the few, that show leadership and value for your fellow man.. Trump, while perceived as a niceguy to some, may serve to evoke crap from others.. Either way he is a politician, ya cant win them all.. but I will say this, I think with the amount of Hateful fecal matter that has fallen from his dirty and stained lips, its amazing that reports of these things have not surfaced earlier, or even perhaps worse. I agree Hillary is not perfect, but..... lets face it she is not Trump.. Which could be good or bad, depending on your perception.. I cannot or rather will not conjecture on the options, and it may seem to bias and thus tarnish the integrity of the article I am trying to convey. That said, thank you all for your time, patience, and attention with regard to this "blurb" of info..
Remember, Trump solicited campaign contributions from foreign nationals. He has business interests all over the world, including many in Russia. His idea of a "blind trust" for his businesses is for his children to run them. There's no way Trump can avoid massive conflict of interests around the world. He's heavily indebted to Russian oligarchs and other areas that are in conflict with our national security.
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I wonder what the people supporting this will say when the Trump-et crowd hounds someone out of their job for donating to the "racist, segregationist, pro-violence-on-cops Black Lives Matter hate group"?
You don't think that's a fair description of BLM? Try explaining your reasons to the baying mob.
No, these attacks on Luckey, Brendan Eich and so forth aren't censorship, exactly, but they are certainly intimidation, and an attempt to move certain political positions outside the realm of legitimate discussion. That's not something I welcome, and nor will the people doing it when they discover their opponents can do it to them as well.
People still don't get it.
I wonder when America is going to lose its freedom like Europe.
Pulling support for Oculus Rift is also political and legal. If James Green doesn't support this just as well, then by his own logic, he is taking a position against American values.
They could, however, be Republicans (alt right... Whatever).
Asserting that Clinton is responsible for most of the Middle East is deeply disconnected with historical perspective. "Humans rode dinosaurs" would be in roughly the same boat.
And you still posted AC...
A game developer boycotting a platform, and hence forego millions in profits, is a good illustration of the idea that money and the actions it pays for amounts to political speech.
As for the choice these game developers are making, I think they are a bit naive. Hillary Clinton and her wealthy supporters, PACs, and affiliated groups, have a large number of highly skilled political message consultants and PR experts working for her, trying to manipulate public opinion in her favor, including through massive use of social media. The only thing that is remarkable about someone sinking millions into an organization whose job is to create "shitposts" about Hillary on social media is what an inept attempt at PR it actually is.
As usual, we have Hillary Clinton's well-oiled political machinery versus Donald Trump's incompetent attempt at running a political campaign. The really remarkable thing is that Hillary Clinton is such a lousy candidate and her political program is so bad that she still is struggling to put together a decisive win. Just imagine how poorly she would be doing if she actually ran against a serious candidate.
Russia didn't nuke you.
China didn't nuke you.
Seems to be working still.
Hillary did not say the c.p. time statement. It was the Mayor of New York who said that. It's clear that Hillary didn't like it from her own comment, calling it cautious politician time.
Bruce Perens.
Oh wait, you already got done with KKK and Byrd business. Which you know, leaves out the Republican side of things that actually matters today.
Funny that.
Your sad attempt at post-rationalization and logic are what is "funny."
First, I noticed you conveniently left out the blatant behavior of Democrats racists and bigots (especially the "leadership") that is happening today. The DNC emails (classified as a "today" event) just scratch the surface. An inconvenient truth I know.
Also you left out the tremendous influence, Sanger and Byrd had and continues to have on Hillary which ends up in concrete actions today. How do we know? Because these facts have come from Hillary's own mouth, words came out of her mouth (not yours) about this influence and that is incontrovertible. No matter how much an Anonymous Coward wants a revisionist reality to make themselves feel better about Democratic Racism we have the stark true reality of Chicago, Washington, Detroit and Baltimore to name just a few.
Those places are wholly "owned" by progressive liberals because they have controlled them, unopposed, for many decades. And they are still controlled and operated today by these same people. Done.
My kingdom for mod points. Let's not forget the Democratic-controlled Congress that cut all funding to South Vietnam.
Your point really bears repeating. I don't know how people can be so willing to just dismiss what a candidate says they'll do. I mean, saying that all politicians make meaningless campaign statements, though true some of the time, ignores the many, many campaign statements that, once elected, politicians actually follow through on. In fact, the majority of campaign statements made by politicians actually do manifest in some form or another.
Of course, I can already hear the, "Trump isn't a politician," sentiments. Fine. To those to whom that applies, if you prefer to ignore actual campaign statements under the assumption that, really, Trump is a decent guy who'll just do whatever the right thing is (or at least, less wrong than Hillary), I'm sure he'll happily sell you exclusive real estate too.
"Is not a sentence" is not a sentence. Well damn.
we could get a law written that forbids negative advertising towards the other candidate.
I'm kinda tired of seeing all the " Look how bad X is for this position because of Y " ads that dominate the airways this time of year.
I would much rather see " I believe I'm the better choice for the position because of the following accomplishments or strengths I posses " instead.
Considering neither candidate has much to brag about, the number of ads would be quite limited in number.
A win-win all the way around.
See also: The Iran/Iraq war. Which was managed by a state department very similar to Bush's.
Sunni/Shia stalemate is the obvious strategy. It has worked for something like 1000 years. Kicks the Saudis and Iranians right in their weak spot. Bleed them of cash and young men.
Balance is the key, every crazy muslim going into Syria is a victory. they would be much more dangerous if they stayed in the west.
The problem for western politicians is they have to pretend to be 'against it', which means they have to pretend to be incompetent, which makes it hard to get reelected.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
The real haye I see is refusing to do business with somebody over politics. Welcome to left wing fascism.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Was true in Vietnam.
How many years have we been at war now?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Considering how much corporate money is flowing into Hillary's campaign... She's obviously not going to change that.
Hillary... on paper, she's everything Democrats claim to hate.
And for a party that claims to fight hate... There sure is a lot of violence, racisim and hate coming from the party that says they want to bring us together.
Of course... they mean "we want to unite... as long as you vote Democrat and agree with everything we say". It's all about freedom of speech and freedom of expression until you say "Hillary is a POS".
I guess, when the IT people in the government could not provide maintenance for Hillary's server, then the IT person who secured Hillary's server insured that it could not be hacked, And of course ran the typical 60 day ageing default to purge of emails. The server was not hacked, though the Democrat's was
As for Bengazi, I go with the findings. -- Government response was too slow and too late.
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there is nothing specially sacrosanct about speech.
There's a document you should read that says otherwise. Freedom to say what you want is an inalienable right.
Free speech doesn't have limits.
So you think that child pornography should be legal?
WTF are you talking about? Free speech doesn't cover raping and abusing children because that's not speech. Making child porn is and should be illegal.
Thank goodness that Janet Reno ignored the advice of her own campaign task force head and didn't appoint an independent investigator into the fundings of the DNC and the Clinton re-election campaigns...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Damn, you could have made $15 per hour for your protesting!
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
TL:DR.
When you get a Wall of Text like that, you just know they are compensating for a tiny penis and trying really, really hard to convince themselves (but no one else) they are "right." Sorry Anon McFailFace, you already lost. (Also read the other guys post below mine about Planned "Parenthood." Too much inconvenient truth I know.)
I'd add that it'd be best to go during winter when it's colder.
Trump does not "head" any political party.
I dunno, arming specific sides, giving money (billions - illegally, mind you) to the guys causing instability, coordinating attacks on foreign leaders, drawing lines in the sand - all those seem to fan the flames of war and aggression. Don't do that kind of thing and I bet the middle east would be a lot less volatile.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Gotta love getting modded down "troll" for posting an actual, hard, fact that simply cannot be disputed! But with the modern SJW-mindset, anything that offends anyone is automatically wrong, regardless of the factual nature of the statement. I assume we'll soon have issues about claiming 1+1 = 2 or 3 x 3 = 9...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Treating others badly for having the "wrong" political opinions is a grand human tradition. It's nothing to be proud of.
Hillary! voted for the Iraq/Afghanistan wars.
So did just about everyone, and dear sir, since you are soooooooooo much in high dudgeon aout Politicians being truthful, the Bush Administration told a major fucking whopper of a lie in order to settrle his family feud with Saddam.
I was in favor of opening the football on Iraq I would have pushed the button myself, and enjoyed turning Iraq into molten glass. And I would have enjoyed it.
But the Bush administration stood there and lied to us. A Yuge! Lie.
Now go collect your paycheck from Oculous. Because you just don't like Democrats, and if your boys lie, it's just acceptable collateral damage.
What's it like having such political double standard, ya hypocrite? I also suppose you really enjoyed when Valerie Plane was outed. Anyone who outs an American secret agent should be terminated with extreme prejudice. Tell me how that was a really good thing, I seem to think it was complete evil.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Lol. HillShill AC's live a life of Lies.
"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. Ignorance may
deride it. But in the end, there it is. - Winston Churchill
Keep killing black babies, at least you are good at one thing.
Well, if you really want to give the system a really hard shock, how else are you going to do it? Clinton will be 8 more years of more of the same (do you really want another Reagan-style president who can't remember what's going on in meetings?) Trump is an ass, but 4 years of the stupidity he'll bring might make voters actually get involved. It's not like he can do more damage than Bush 2 did.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
That was Joe Kennedy and the mob (casino money). Had nothing to do with politics.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Wishful thinking. They breed too fast. That's a natural, innate survival strategy - it happens to all members of the human race under the same conditions. So good like trying to have them kill each other off.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Get out of the middle east, and let them kill each other off. They've been doing it for centuries, and no outsider is going to change that, so pull out, stop arming them, and realize that any deaths are on their heads. We cannot fix it, ever. All we can do is make it worse. Change will have to come from them, and that's not going to happen until they've killed enough of their own people that it cripples their ability to function, to have an economy, to have infrastructure, to live. Pull out, total blockade, nobody gets in, nobody gets out. It will work itself out, or it won't, same as it has always been.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Again, both sides do it, so what's your point?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
You are being willfully obtuse, you know what I meant. Criminal speech is no different from other crimes.
There is no such thing as criminal speech. Speech is never illegal. You and a lot of lawyers, congressmen, and judges need to go and fucking read.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
There can be no law that abridges the freedom of speech. Plain as fucking day. Anyone trying to "interpret" it any other way is trying to illegally strip citizens of their rights.
Welcome to left wing fascism.
Maybe the courts can order the devs to continue support
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
"It's not like he can do more damage than Bush 2 did."
Fingers crossed, eh? I understand the disgust over the corruption of the party machines and their preferred candidates supporting whoever pays them to prop up whatever's broken about the US but hoping for a Trump presidency to fix it seems to me to be very risky.
What disasters would have to happen for the American people to tear it all down and build something better (assuming that the Orange Godzilla had left anything standing)? It's possible that a Trump presidency could bring more honesty, fairness or prosperity to the US or that he could be guided in a useful direction or that his apparent huuuuuge faults are all a carefully-controlled act but I wouldn't put money on any of them.
Both sides have started stupid wars. The question is, why does the other party, after denouncing them, not get the f*ck out?
Nope, that's not the question. The question is (a) Why did the Republicans start a war in Iraq on false pretenses and kill a million Iraqis? Who benefited? Did Trump himself benefit? (b) Why does Trump claim that he did not support the war at the time when we have recordings of him saying that he did? Was he lying then, or now? (c) Why are the Republicans trying to blame someone else for the butchery that they committed?
Killing a few thousand with a tactical nuke to wipe out a threat is peanuts in comparison.
Trump used the words 'Trident' and 'submarine'. The Trident is an ICBM. It is not a tactical nuke. He (Trump) readily assented to the estimate that millions would be killed. See the link I posted.
Or better yet, just get the hell out of the middle east. Get out of the middle east, and let them kill each other off.
In which case, I don't get why you are voting for Trump. He is a 'boots on the ground' guy. He says he plans to send in troops - again. Unless he is lying?
Believe what you want but there are lots of types of speech that are currently criminal. I'm talking reality, you are talking fantasy land. Just curious though, do you think things like fraud, copyright infringement, false advertising and child pornography should be legal? Because those are types of speech.
The status quo is pretty much ending what made america great. A shock to the system, whether it's a trump presidency or a bunch of nukes taking out a few major cities or a few states seceding MIGHT change the course ...
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Why doesn't either side stop the wars that were going on when they took power? How is that not a valid question? How is running guns into war zones to fight a proxy war in Syria not the same as Vietnam?
Tridents have selective yields. In other words, adjustable. Starting in 2001, the British ones were able to go from 0.3 ktons to 100 ktons yield. ). 0.3 ktons is much less than North Korea's nukes. There's no reason to believe the US doesn't have similar capability. If North Korea starts launching nukes, a Trident might be called for. End it immediately, totally, once and for all. Anything less invites escalation and other getting involved. Why do you think Japan wants to start building nukes? Destroying the enemy is the only form of self-defense that nukes are good for. Otherwise, they serve no purpose except to destabilize the situation, as North Korea is demonstrating.
Who said I was voting for Trump? I wouldn't vote for either of those disasters. Also, the idea of a nuclear strike on, say, North Korea is to obviate the need for boots on the ground.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I'm talking about the highest fucking law in the land. It's clowns like you that are living in a fantasy land where people can ignore the fucking law and "interpret" things to their whimsical desires. The sad part is that morons like you allow those in power to act like tyrants.
Why doesn't either side stop the wars that were going on when they took power? How is that not a valid question?
Well, if we are being honest you said (I quote) But Trump hasn't gotten a good portion of the world mired in failed countries at war. When it comes to war, Hillary is probably to the right of any previous president, including W. by which we should be able to assume that you could speak to question of how this could be, if Bush started a war (on false pretenses) that Trump approved, in which a million people died, and Hillary didn't start any wars, and neither did Obama, and neither Obama, nor Hillary boasted (as Trump did) of their plans to kill millions more innocent people by nuking them.
It seems to me (and correct me if I'm reading this wrong) that the distinction seems more like the Republicans and their nuke obsessed warmongering candidate Donald Trump are the ones with blood on their hands, not the other way round, as you confidently asserted.
How is running guns into war zones to fight a proxy war in Syria not the same as Vietnam?
It's different in any number of ways, but most pertinently, nobody detonated a nuclear missile over Hanoi - mostly because they knew it would be a monumental mistake. Luckily, Trump wasn't around at the time.
Tridents have selective yields. In other words, adjustable. Starting in 2001, the British ones were able to go from 0.3 ktons to 100 ktons yield. ). 0.3 ktons is much less than North Korea's nukes. There's no reason to believe the US doesn't have similar capability.
If they do have this capability, then it isn't public knowledge. The British Tridents use a different warhead, and their nuclear strategy is quite different to the US, who have actual tactical warheads that they can attach to a cruise missile or drop from a plane without having to worry about the extremely negative consequences of lighting an SLBM and having that signature show up on various screens and dealing with the tense discussions that happen afterward.
If US Tridents have such a capability (an upgrade targeting package and the ability to only light one or two of the IRVs) then they aren't saying, and fair enough, which brings us back to Donald.
If Donald meant his reference to the trident to mean this, then he is deliberately exposing details of the Trident's capabilities that are probably classified. Is he an enemy of the United States? Or is he just an arsehole that likes to shoot his mouth off? I find that concept very ironic, given that he condemned Hillary for emails that someone else sent her and none of which exposed the US to harm, and here he is, harming the US to make himself look gangsta. What a dickhead!
No, most likely he meant it as read. He meant a Trident at full power, doing what it does best, detonating over Mosul or Palmyra or Raqqa and incinerating 100s of thousands, perhaps millions, of innocent Syrians or Iraqis. When he says he's going to "bomb the sh*t out of them" to use his words he doesn't mean to distinguish between ISIS and innocent people: as the analyst says (in the article I posted: "Trump’s plan to use thermonuclear weapons against ISIS-held areas such as the Syrian city of Al-Raqqah would result in an astronomically high number of civilian casualties, according to CNN military analyst Peter Mansoor. “Al-Raqqah alone has a population of over two hundred-thousand people, the vast majority of whom are not affiliated in any way with the Islamic State,” Mansoor said. “A strike of this magnitude would not only result in the loss of millions of innocent lives and infrastructure, but it would set diplomacy and stability in the region back at least a hundred years.”
What a guy!
Why do you think Japan wants to start building nukes?
They don't.
Destroying the enemy is the only form of self-d
If the choice is taking out Hanoi with a nuke, or having Taiwan and Japan nuked, that's an easy choice. Heck, China would probably nuke Hanoi at that point. After all, they're within range as well.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I don't remember a US victory in Vietnam.
Took a while
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If the choice is taking out Hanoi with a nuke, or having Taiwan and Japan nuked, that's an easy choice.
No it isn't, and anybody who thinks it is has no business being in a position of responsibility or power with the welfare of others at stake.
Only a delusional conspiracist would even imagine that Hanoi poses a threat to anyone. Someone like Kim Jong Un, or the man after his own heart, Donald Trump.
Heck, China would probably nuke Hanoi at that point
No, they wouldn't.
My related question would be: How many of the Slashdot trolls are working for Palmer Luckey?
Probably less than the paid trolls for Hillary.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Being against pipelines is the same as being for oil spills from trains. Pipelines are far safer, and spill far less than even small train spills.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/in...
When you fight the pipeline, you fight for trains full of oil. The oil has to be moved around, even if you wish people used less of it.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Hillary is white, you mean sexist.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I hope that mindless reply made you feel much better about backing your super-loser Donald.
Case one: You are sincere, probably a hater, and deserve nothing but pity.
Case two: You are paid to fake it. In which case your silver is worth more than your soul ever was.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Don't underestimate Hanoi. They have working IRBMs (Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles) and they're working in an ICBM that would put the US within their range. So far this year, they've gone from an estimated 7-10 kt to 20-30 kt. To put that into perspective, Hiroshima was 15 kt and Nagasaki was 20 kt. Those 2 bombs immediately killed about 100,000 people, and an additional 100,000 in the aftermath. Tokyo has more than 20x the populaton of Hiroshima. New Taipei has more than 10x the population. Pyongyang has less than 3 million. Do the math.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Don't underestimate Hanoi. They have working IRBMs (Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles) and they're working in an ICBM that would put the US within their range. So far this year, they've gone from an estimated 7-10 kt to 20-30 kt.
Vietnam possesses no nuclear weapons and has no nuclear nor territorial ambitions. This whole thing is a product of your fevered imagination.
Oops. Pyongyang.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
What makes you think I support either of them?
Slamming Luckey for something that Hillary is doing as well seems a little hypocritical.
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