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WikiLeaks Posts 2,000 More Emails From John Podesta (cnn.com)

WikiLeaks has released an additional 2,000 emails from Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta -- the second leak in four days. The first leak contained thousands of emails from Podesta, including apparent excerpts from Ms Clinton's paid, closed-door speeches to Wall Street executives after leaving her position as Secretary of State. CNN reports: The emails appear to be mostly from 2015, covering a litany of policy and strategy discussions between Clinton staffers on how to handle issues of the day and the press, including the release of the book "Clinton Cash" alleging nefarious activity by the Clinton Foundation. Another email has long-time Clinton aide Doug Band referring to Chelsea Clinton as a "spoiled brat." Doug Band emailed Podesta and longtime Hillary Clinton aide Cheryl Mills about a damning story about his consulting company, Teneo, by lashing out at Chelsea Clinton. "I don't deserve this from her and deserve a tad more respect or at least a direct dialogue for me to explain these things," Band wrote. "She is acting like a spoiled brat kid who has nothing else to do but create issues to justify what she's doing because she, as she has said, hasn't found her way and has a lack of focus in her life." The emails also revealed that Clinton wanted to respond more forcefully to "Clinton Cash," the 2015 book that looked to connect Clinton Foundation actions and decisions made by Hillary Clinton's State Department. According to an email from another close aide, Huma Abedin, Clinton wanted to tape a straight-to-camera video responding to the allegations. Clinton campaign responded to the release by slamming the Trump campaign for "cheering on a release today engineered by Vladimir Putin," after Trump adviser Jason Miller tweeted a link to the document page with the phrase "And here...we...go."

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  1. Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    is the press office of the KGB. Only releases information that is useful to russia.

    1. Re:Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOLVERINES!

    2. Re:Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Hey, it's nice of them to help make this a fair election, considering the overwhelming democratic bias of the US mainstream media.

    3. Re: Wikileaks by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      As soon as President Hillary Clinton is in office Assange will be a dead man. The ecuadorian embassy will be stormed or destroyed. Any opposition by ecuador will be silenced by military force. Wikileaks will be shut down and anyone who has donated money will be rounded up and punished. And that will be the end of it.

      Why? It's not like anything on Wikileaks has been more than a nuisance to her so far. And storming a foreign embassy in another country would do more harm to her than anything Wikileaks has done thus far. However it wouldn't surprise me to hear that Mr. Assange is eventually found dead from suicide, or choked on his dinner.

    4. Re:Wikileaks by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      is the press office of the KGB. Only releases information that is useful to russia.

      If America didn't criminalize transparency and persecute whistleblowers, then the Russians wouldn't have a monopoly on the flow of information.

    5. Re:Wikileaks by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe you should blame your party's leadership for their own actions instead of the people who are revealing their actions.

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    6. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ecuadorian embassy will be stormed or destroyed.

      The embassy is in London. Idiot.

    7. Re: Wikileaks by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Informative

      As soon as President Hillary Clinton is in office Assange will be a dead man.

      Well, he can't live in his Ecuadorian mother's basement forever.

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    8. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If anything He's been helpful.

      Don't make the mistake of assuming the Slashdot echo chamber is representative of the general voting public. (The people that remain here lean nutbag-libertarian) The past few leaks paint her in a very favorable light for to business republicans - The exact demographic that's been Alienated by Trump.

      Free trade? Open borders? They love that stuff. This last batch is basically a bunch of business emails. They completely lack any scandal-quality bombs that would make a huge election difference.

      He's also helping drive home the narrative that links Trump and the Alt-right to Russia's alternate channel political meddling that's been going around the globe.

      At this point I'd be more likely to call Assange a Clinton plant.

    9. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Reality has a well known liberal bias!

    10. Re:Wikileaks by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Do you check under your bed every night in case Putin is waiting to get you?

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    11. Re: Wikileaks by imidan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, apparently at the moment of her swearing in, there will be a sudden nauseating shift and we'll all stagger for a moment before resuming our lives as jackbooted American Neonazis who have our embassy-cracking assault squads on standby 24 hours a day. Hillary will wear an eyepatch and have a long knife scar on her face, and all the men will have well-groomed facial hair. And we'll all look great in whoever is the spiritual successor to Hugo Boss! Sign me up, I wanna squeeze into a set of jodhpurs and strap on my pistol baldrics!

    12. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In his dreams.

      Assange believes he's a target, because he's important.

      His importance is primarily in his own mind.

    13. Re:Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong. It's the FSB press office. The rebranded and more personable state security agency. It seems to many KGB agents bet on the wrong horse in 1991coup attempt against Mikhail Gorbachev. The KGB officers who lost their bet were given the Russian version of an early retirement package and were never heard from again. It's a good thing Putin survived the purge or Russia wouldn't be such a shining star on the international billboard top 40.

      If Russia is behind some of the hacking than I say good for them. I say it's time to return the favor. There is no need to do any hacking just make up a bunch a shit and shotgun the data across the Internet. Some of it is bound to get through Russia's extensive censorship and give the average Russian the same entertainment being enjoyed by the average American. However, I would recommend any Russian citizen getting access to this information to keep it on the down low to reduce their chances of being "interviewed" by the nice Russian security services in the middle of the night.

    14. Re: Wikileaks by sexconker · · Score: 1

      ? And?

    15. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can always tell who's a paid shill here once you see AC lamenting the slashdot "echo chamber" that forced them to go anon with their awful prepackaged ideas.

    16. Re: Wikileaks by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      You can always tell who's a paid shill here once you see AC lamenting the slashdot "echo chamber" that forced them to go anon with their awful prepackaged ideas.

      Kettle, is that you?

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    17. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Because Hillary Clinton is a petty, vindictive sociopath. That's why.

    18. Re: Wikileaks by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      But he was a hero when he was working with Chelsea Manning, no?

    19. Re: Wikileaks by nomadic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Assange doesn't even REALLY believe he's a target of America. If he did he would stop leaking this stuff. Anyone else remember when wikileaks said it would release documents about Russia? Then the Russian security service threatened them publicly? And then they haven't released any anti-Russia stuff since? Assange even removed anti-Russian documents from the Syria release.

    20. Re:Wikileaks by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 0

      I don't have to check for that; if he were there, I'd smell the vodak from a mile away.

      (spelling intentional. fark you, that's why.)

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    21. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just for once I want a few paranoid right-wing conspiracy theories to come true.

      Well, I'm not sure why I want that. Maybe just because it'd be fun. Also I'd like to see what ya'll would actually do if reality were anything like your deranged delusions.

      Plus, I wouldn't mind a government check for being gay or a free Obamacare sex change.

    22. Re:Wikileaks by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

      Have you looked at Russia lately?

    23. Re:Wikileaks by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

      Bah, save it for the siege of Denver in 2024-early 2025.

    24. Re:Wikileaks by gumbi+west · · Score: 0, Troll

      I completely blame Democrats for nominating a reasonable person.

    25. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Donald?

    26. Re:Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We also think it's useful in Canada. Hillary is a sketchy bitch.
      She's going to fail, you hosers.

    27. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's kettles all the way down.

    28. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Palin can see Russia from Alaska.

    29. Re: Wikileaks by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      But he was a hero when he was working with Chelsea Manning, no?

      No, he exploited Chelsea Manning and left her to rot. Assange is a user.

      Further, the ties between Wikileaks, Assange, Trump and the Kremlin have just been confirmed. Read this very interesting article about a phony email in the Wikileaks dump and attributed to Sidney Blumenthal that was actually written by Newsweek reporter Kurt Eichenwald. It was released through Kremlin propaganda channels and ended up being read at a rally by Donald Trump just a few hours later.

      http://www.newsweek.com/vladim...

      I knew as a news junkie you'd find this interesting.

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    30. Re: Wikileaks by Rujiel · · Score: 1

      Happy now? I was too lazy to log in.

    31. Re:Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is the press office of the KGB. Only releases information that is useful to russia.

      If America didn't criminalize transparency and persecute whistleblowers, then the Russians wouldn't have a monopoly on the flow of information.

      This is not about transparency or whistleblowing. This is about an invasion of privacy and foreign powers manipulating US elections. Assange just drags it out for best effect.

      Everyone really needs to move to encrypted email providers. Hell I, don't think that is enough. If your remotely liable to be targeted in the next thirty years, then you apparently need secure 2 factor authentication every time you log in. This nonsense is also making it harder to get decent people into politics.

      Seriously, what sane normal person could look at this election and think, ``I want to run for office.'' We have to clean this mess up, and yes being able to communicate privately at times is important to a healthy discussion of ideas.

      Sure official government communications should be archived, but private communications should be limited to those who they were legitimately sent to. A right to privacy is in our constitution. We should not surrender it. One of the recipients is the only valid person who can release it to a larger audience. That way, if you trust your team, you can at least get work done without continually triple checking to make sure no one can possibly take anything you write and twist it into an attack.

    32. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not even a Trump voter. I thought Hillary was evil back when she ran against Obama.

    33. Re: Wikileaks by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Do you think Clinton campaign gives a shit about Slashdot?

    34. Re:Wikileaks by colin_faber · · Score: 2

      How can you tell If this story is real or was placed by the campaign?? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...

    35. Re: Wikileaks by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Just like anonymous caving to the Zeta drug cartel.

    36. Re:Wikileaks by Boronx · · Score: 1

      It's just their anti-Trump bias, and thank goodness for it.

    37. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not too quickly, comrade.
      We have to go slow. Any sudden movements and she may pass out and need to be chucked into the back of a van.

    38. Re: Wikileaks by quenda · · Score: 1

      The ecuadorian embassy will be stormed or destroyed.

      The embassy is in London. Idiot.

      So send a few Navy Seals across from Detroit. Easy.

    39. Re:Wikileaks by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

      How awful would a campaign have to be to not be doing that? Put it this way, would you vote for someone who was too unorganized / dumb to not do that?

    40. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm set. Already have the well-groomed facial hair.

    41. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What right to privacy in the Constitution?

      I know you were trying to be inclusive and reasonable, but those are fighting words to at least a third of conservatives.

    42. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarians are the only educated ones. Democrats are just useful idiots, as wikileaks has let us know....

      http://www.infowars.com/clinton-campaign-email-outlines-effort-to-produce-an-unaware-and-compliant-citizenry/

      Don't you hate being wrong and used????

    43. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.infowars.com/clinton-campaign-email-outlines-effort-to-produce-an-unaware-and-compliant-citizenry/

    44. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By definition, Democrats are pretty uneducated and highly sheepish...

      http://www.infowars.com/clinton-campaign-email-outlines-effort-to-produce-an-unaware-and-compliant-citizenry/

      In their own words too!! Thank you Wikileaks.

    45. Re: Wikileaks by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

      You are on /. and can't link? are more incompetent Russian astroturf?

      If you were a native speaker you would know that the sentence that is highlighted is saying the opposite of what you're claiming it says.

    46. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You got it wrong. It's not you who gets the check, it's the minorites. See they all get paid $5,000 a month for having babies. I've yet to meet one minority who isn't making 50k plus a year tax free of gov cheese. Those dam minorites. That's why I always vote Klan...I mean Republican.

      "Go P-grabbing or go Home"
      I can say that right? I mean we all say that right? Right???

    47. Re: Wikileaks by SadButResolved · · Score: 0

      Its amazing what owning the justiice system and media in america can buy you, especially when your setting a puppet up for presidency.

    48. Re: Wikileaks by SadButResolved · · Score: 0

      Actually I think the paid troll services that have been used for users on forums attacked this one years ago and still has useful accounts here.
      If you believe otherwise you are really not paying attention. Start here and see how far the rabbit hole goes, I haven't really found the bottom but its deeper than most know. http://legalinsurrection.com/2...

    49. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol

    50. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That makes total sense. No way Russia can leak documents over the Internet by themselves.

      Speaking of being a tool, just stop repeating shit you read on twitter and think critically for one second

      Wikileaks has released plenty of shit on Russia too BTW.

    51. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that case, I would expect to be truthful on everything except when it hurts rusSian interests. Which are more limited than some countries I expect.

    52. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bradley Manning. Not Chelsea Manning. Mental illness is a hell of thing but wishing you were a princess and chopping off your dick do not a woman make.

    53. Re: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are a coward, it doesn't mean that Assange is as well.

    54. Re: Wikileaks by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 1

      Well, she turned me into a NEWT!

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    55. Re:Wikileaks by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Maybe we should stop pluralizing mass nouns.

    56. Re: Wikileaks by nomadic · · Score: 1

      That makes no sense. I gave something Assange did. Are you saying backing down from Russia is anything other than fear?

  2. WTF??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "She is acting like a spoiled brat kid who has nothing else to do but create issues to justify what she's doing because she, as she has said, hasn't found her way and has a lack of focus in her life."

    Really? This is the type of shit slashdot has devolved to?

    What a fucking shame.

    1. Re:WTF??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i mean that really isnt news, everyone knows that

  3. Upstaged by Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Assange's plan to sink Clinton's campaign a month before elections seems to have been preempted by Trump's meltdown.

    1. Re:Upstaged by Trump by SailorSpork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This. If this was in any other normal election cycle against a normal opponent, this would be hugely detrimental to Clinton and would cost her supporters and party investment. However, against Pussygate headlines and an imploding Republican party, it's not even enough to crack front page news.

    2. Re:Upstaged by Trump by schwit1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The trump tape is over a decade old and occurred when he was a democrat. CBS was waiting for the right moment for maximum effect ... just like the KGB and wikileaks.

    3. Re:Upstaged by Trump by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      trump said mean things, that clearly is more important than clintons scandals

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    4. Re:Upstaged by Trump by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It doesn't "crack front page news" because the "news" has been in the tank for Hillary from the get-go.

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    5. Re:Upstaged by Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trump tape is over a decade old and occurred when he was a democrat. CBS was waiting for the right moment for maximum effect ... just like the KGB and wikileaks.

      Too bad for Trump that Wikileaks is being schooled by (ahem . . . lol) CBS of all the feckless "news" organizations.

    6. Re:Upstaged by Trump by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      If this was any other normal election cycle both of the major party candidates would have been cast aside months ago. In "normal" politics, when one major gaffe is enough to torpedo a candidate, neither of these clowns would have made it past the first primary.

    7. Re:Upstaged by Trump by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The trump tape is over a decade old

      That the Trump tape is a decade old is a datum back from that era. Comparing Trump then with Trump now shows that he has not changed during that time. That is independent of who ever released the tape.

      I don't know if I subscribe to the conspiracy theory that this was all orchestrated for maximum effect before this debate. You'd think that if this tape was common knowledge amongst various people that Billy Bush would have used it to help his cousin Jeb out during the primaries.

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    8. Re:Upstaged by Trump by CaptainLard · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The clinton scandals in this case being a clash of personalities in a large organization and a strategy to respond to an opponent's attack. Shocker. Lets have 9 congressional hearings and a blank check to investigate the spoiledness of Chelsea Clinton and how it relates to the well known establishment plot to steal our precious bodily fluids!

    9. Re:Upstaged by Trump by GrumpySteen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That would be such a good argument if Trump hadn't been fat shaming women, telling people to go hunt down porn and talking about a newswoman bleeding out of her "whereever" in just the last few weeks.

      Unfortunately for your argument, Trump's behavior has made it incredibly clear that he has not changed at all, despite his protests to the contrary.

    10. Re:Upstaged by Trump by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      At least this time it's not a computer word processor document from the early 70's.

    11. Re:Upstaged by Trump by amiga3D · · Score: 1, Troll

      I suspect that they are desperately digging hard for anything to hit Trump with. He's a lot harder to do away with than Bernie was. I'm sure they couldn't have had it long or they'd have pulled it out before the first debate. I wouldn't be surprised if they find some more evidence of bad behavior before the election. Of course for every nasty thing the Main Stream Media can dig up about Trump good old Wikileaks will drip some more of Hilliary's bad past as well. Nothing like a good old mud slinging Presidential election!

    12. Re:Upstaged by Trump by quantaman · · Score: 2

      This. If this was in any other normal election cycle against a normal opponent, this would be hugely detrimental to Clinton and would cost her supporters and party investment. However, against Pussygate headlines and an imploding Republican party, it's not even enough to crack front page news.

      You mean the revelation that one of Clinton's aids called her daughter a "spoiled brat"?

      It's not on the front pages because it's irrelevant. Not every leaked email contains a discussion of how they planned 9/11.

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    13. Re:Upstaged by Trump by quantaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The trump tape is over a decade old

      When he was but a wee 59 year old.

      and occurred when he was a democrat.

      Which is relevant how?

      CBS was waiting for the right moment for maximum effect ... just like the KGB and wikileaks.

      Maybe, though we don't actually know what the circumstances behind the timing were, it could simply be that it took a really long time for a) someone to remember the tape existed and b) to find it.

      Either way I'm sure Ted Cruz wishes it would have come out a couple weeks ago!

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    14. Re:Upstaged by Trump by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      and occurred when he was a democrat.

      Which is relevant how?

      Open your eyes man. Clearly he was projecting and it's Clinton running around grabbing pussies. He's now a republican. Jesus wouldn't let him do that. OPEN YOUR EYES!

    15. Re:Upstaged by Trump by anoob7000 · · Score: 1

      Give me an F*in break. The Republicans have a really short memory when it comes to missing emails. Yes, Hillary is slimy but the email crap is really just bullshit. Let me know when they find the missing 22 million emails from the Bush administration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    16. Re: Upstaged by Trump by KenHansen · · Score: 3, Informative
      Here you go:

      Washington (CNN) -- Computer technicians have recovered about 22 million Bush administration e-mails that the Bush White House had said were missing, two watchdog groups that sued over the documents announced Monday.

      They were 'found in December, 2009.

    17. Re: Upstaged by Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be such a good argument if Trump hadn't been fat shaming women, telling people to go hunt down porn and talking about a newswoman bleeding out of her "whereever" in just the last few weeks.

      In reverse order:

      The Megan Kelly dust up was not 'in just the last few weeks'.

      The 'go hunt down the porn tape' was a segment on a reality TV showing his accuser (who called him a sexist) was on, telling the guy having intercourse with her (on network TV in Spain) "how sweet his d#*k is"

      And the 'fat shaming women' again was now 'just in the last few weeks' but last century, over 20 years ago, and the woman was a beauty contest winner that put on 50 pounds and put her title as Ms. Universe at risk for the weight gain a few months after being crowned Ms. Universe.

      Oh, and Rosie O'Donnell, but that to was last century as I recall.

    18. Re:Upstaged by Trump by nomadic · · Score: 1

      "I suspect that they are desperately digging hard for anything to hit Trump with. "

      They don't have to dig very hard. This is a man who told his supporters to beat up peaceful protestors. He is the worst candidate in American presidential history.

    19. Re:Upstaged by Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Peaceful? Have you seen the protesters at Trump rallies? They're violent thugs. Some are PAID to be there to make Trump look bad.

    20. Re:Upstaged by Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, the Left is always telling us how Donald flip-flops and keep changing and that the video from 25 years ago where he talks about the same issues affecting America that he's raging about right now can't be trusted. Now you're saying he hasn't changed and we should trust him in the 10 year old video where he's being repellent. Why? Because it's advantageous to your candidate?

    21. Re:Upstaged by Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, intelligent people will take anything Assange releases with a huge grain of salt. The man is pursuing a vendetta and is to the point of being deranged.

    22. Re:Upstaged by Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me get this straight. You're comparing Hillary to Bush and saying he lost 22, while she lost thousands?

      Being a thousand times worse than GWB at something isn't exactly high praise, is it?

    23. Re: Upstaged by Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're very forgiving... Trump's very next interview after the 'fat shaming' story broke essentially doubled down with more fat shaming. The very next day, not "20 years ago".

    24. Re:Upstaged by Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right on! Over a decade. Donald Trump was only 59 years old at the time. One cannot expect that he would have been capable of behaving responsibly at such a tender age. Now that he's eleven years older I'm sure that he has matured beautifully. I'd definitely feel safe with him as Commander in Chief of the US armed forces. Absolutely. Really. No, really. I mean it. C'mon, I'm not kidding this time.

    25. Re:Upstaged by Trump by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not pro-Trump at all and welcome future President Clinton, but this extreme campaign bullshit hypocrisy on both sides is more than annoying. (Don't get me wrong, it's same way in most other countries.) Maybe there are some male US politicians who have never talked this way in their life -- mormons, religious fanatics and extreme douchebags come to my mind --, but they surely are in a minority and nobody in his right mind would want to have one of those as a president.

      I understand when some naive women are outraged about this tape, unless they happen to work as prostitutes women often have no clue what and how men are talking when they are among themselves (or how often and in which way they masturbate, to give another example). But the vast majority of all men knows better, and the hypocrites among them in both parties with their fake shock and concern really are just assholes. That's my opinion about them.

    26. Re: Upstaged by Trump by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      He meant it as a rhetorical question. He really didn't want to know. You waste time responding to people like that as he's invested in Hilliary and thinks she cares about him.

    27. Re:Upstaged by Trump by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      It was 22 million but they aren't missing anymore. They were found 7 years ago but since there wasn't anything in them it wasn't newsworthy.

    28. Re:Upstaged by Trump by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I seriously doubt they beat up anyone peaceful. The thugs on the other hand might have gotten thumped.

    29. Re:Upstaged by Trump by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      It's funny they pay them in an effort to look bad since Trump does that for them for free. I wish he'd quit going off on tangents and concentrate on how fucked up Hilliary is. There's no way to make himself look better he must concentrate on stripping all that window dressing that the MSM has draped over Hilliary and show her for what she is. It's got to be about making himself the lesser of two evils. In a race with two such despicable people running any campaign will have to be negative, there are no positives.

    30. Re:Upstaged by Trump by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm aware of gaffes, but I don't remember a major party ever ditching a Presidential candidate after the convention. The closest was McGovern dumping his running mate in 1972 (after backing him a thousand percent). Talking about gaffes...but McGovern continued his candidacy and was stomped into the mud in a landslide.

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    31. Re:Upstaged by Trump by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Trump has a hard core of nihilistic followers, who are pretty loud and delusional, and they aren't going away. They'd applaud if Trump grabbed Queen Elizabeth's pussy. He doesn't have many supporters any more outside that core, and that core is (fortunately) woefully insufficient to win the election.

      Bernie was not done away with. He won a large number of delegates, and wasn't all that far from winning the nomination. Had he been more popular, he would have gotten the nomination. The campaign was slanted against him, but it wasn't rigged.

      The Clintons have been attacked for decades, normally for things they didn't do or which aren't all that important. The Republicans can't dig up additional dirt because they've thrown what they have and what they could spray-paint in a dirt color. I think this is backfiring on them.

      It would be good if we can address some of the problems of the Trump supporters, but it looks to me like Clinton would do a lot better at that than Trump. People generally don't become nihilist for no reason at all, and we need to understand that.

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    32. Re:Upstaged by Trump by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Lots of men talk about women in disparaging terms and sexually objectify them, unfortunately. Some will even talk about rape in a semi-approving way, but relatively few talk about criminal sexual behavior in quite the way Trump did. There's a difference between "I'd like to rape that bitch" and (paraphrased) "I commit sexual assault as a matter of course", and it's not in Trump's favor.

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    33. Re:Upstaged by Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fox is still the most popular news organization? They're certainly not for Hillary.

  4. 50,000 * 30 by Frank+Burly · · Score: 1

    So I guess we Assange will have to release 2,000 emails every two or three days to keep this going until the election. Is Slashdot going to run one of these stories every two days?

    1. Re:50,000 * 30 by Frank+Burly · · Score: 1

      I meant 50 ÷ 30. But thank god nobody reads the subjects.

    2. Re:50,000 * 30 by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Why not? The mainstream media refuses to do so, but sure as hell runs every 11 year old "pussy" recording it can dig up.

    3. Re:50,000 * 30 by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe they could wait until there was one with something actually interesting? Clinton didn't like a book that was critical of her foundation, and someone else doesn't like Chelsea. Assange is doing a major disservice to people who don't want to see Clinton elected by burying any potentially juicy details under this constant drip of boring non-news. Where is the email where Clinton brags about how she can grab any guy's dick anytime she wants because of the implication? Where is the email where she boasts about sucking at her job so badly that she doesn't have to pay taxes again?

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    4. Re:50,000 * 30 by Latentius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you ever considered that it might be for a reason (and not just massive conspiracy)?

      Judging by the summary, there's nothing of substance in this release, just some petty bickering and some predictable discussions. What makes any of that newsworthy?

    5. Re:50,000 * 30 by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      could be small leaks leading up to a big one. at least, thats our hope at this point

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    6. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, don't look at the man behind the curtain. This hundred-word summary of 2000 emails is quite sufficient to let everyone know that there is nothing meaningful and no one should waste their time looking at factual documents. Just read the headline and move on citizen.

    7. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Due process. You got evidence please release it.

      We've got tens of thousand's of people pouring over all these emails and no one can find ANYTHING that could be submitted in a court of law?! But everyone knows she is corrupt... Meanwhile, we've got the other confessing to sexual assaults and it's just "saying things"

      Stay in school kids!

    8. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read a similar, if slightly different delineation.

      Scandal for Trump = Saying something stupid (miss piggy, build a wall, grab her pussy, Mexicans are rapists, etc)
      Scandal for Clintons = Doing something highly illegal (massive security violations, destruction of evidence, embezzlement, maybe even murder)

    9. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is your $.25 cents for correcting the record, enjoy :)

    10. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's hard to use things in court when the DOJ handed out immunity to most of the criminals in question.

    11. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Confessing to sexual assaults" and no one can find ANYTHING that could be submitted in a court of law?! But everyone knows he's a big meanie... Meanwhile, we've got the other confessing to rigging the party primaries and appointing unqualified donors to extremely influential positions/ambassadorships and tampering with and lying about evidence and "cannot recall" things she wrote books about, and it's just "an experienced honest politician."

    12. Re:50,000 * 30 by St.Creed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find that highly unlikely in the first place, as the timing for a "big one" is not "two months from now" but rather urgently needed by Trump *right now*. Even if they do have something, given the rather suspected source of the documents I think that if they time a really juicy email to appear right before the election it's going to be dismissed as fabricated, and proving it ain't so will take time that just isn't there.

      So: don't keep your hopes up. Clinton may be skating the edge of the law, but given the evidence so far, that's it. A bit like Trump, really, except in different areas of the law.

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    13. Re:50,000 * 30 by Latentius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you think people are upset because Trump used the word "pussy," you're completely missing the point.

      People are upset because he basically confessed to molesting women, then talked about trying to hook up with a married woman, then bragged about how people with power can do pretty much whatever they want, which you may recognize as the line of thought that is used to criticize the legal treatment of Clinton. It's pretty much the profile of a rapist, even if he hasn't gone that far, and it should alarm people, because he shows no remorse, doesn't even seem to realize that there's anything wrong with what he said or did.

    14. Re:50,000 * 30 by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      no one can find ANYTHING that could be submitted in a court of law

      Except that Trump is currently involved in dozens and dozes of lawsuits, so that's not true at all.

    15. Re:50,000 * 30 by CaptainLard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not? The mainstream media refuses to do so, but sure as hell runs every 11 year old "pussy" recording it can dig up.

      Note: there is a difference between a presidential candidate saying he probably sexually assaulted a bunch of people and internal whining about the boss's kid. Yeah I know its all about relative expectations. So long as trump doesn't shit in his hand and throw it at a camera its a win for him....on second thought maybe thats a win too cause he's sticking it to the media.

    16. Re:50,000 * 30 by cryptizard · · Score: 2

      “Can’t we just drone this guy?” Clinton supposedly asked, according to unidentified State Department sources.

      Unidentified sources also told me that she gets off on killing puppies.

      Especially with the history of people who've crossed the Clinton's ending up dead?

      Might want to stop believing everything you read on Facebook.

    17. Re:50,000 * 30 by Latentius · · Score: 1

      That's the thing about news articles, though. You use headlines and summaries to tease juicy stories and entice readers to check out the rest. If this is the juiciest bit, then I stand by my statement that there's nothing of substance.

    18. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that explains all the times he's been convicted of rape, then.

    19. Re:50,000 * 30 by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Come on now, fair is fair. And to be honest the people most upset about it are the Republican establishment weenies. I know !Jeb and Cruz and Rubio are wondering where all this good dirt was when they needed it.

    20. Re:50,000 * 30 by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Well if we weren't talking about grabbing pussy and Chelsea dissing a big donor then we'd have to talk about real issues and that shit is boring as hell.

    21. Re:50,000 * 30 by cryptizard · · Score: 2

      It probably does explain a lot of the confidential out-of-court settlements though.

    22. Re:50,000 * 30 by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      "Confessing to sexual assaults" and no one can find ANYTHING that could be submitted in a court of law?!

      Do you mean like the current rape lawsuit that Trump is involved in? The one that is about to go to trial? That one??

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    23. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm.. Isn't it about time the servers/mailservers of the Repubican headquarter going to be hacked, just to reveal all stuff THEY are doing and do not want you to know?

      That would at least level the field a bit...

    24. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dig deeply enough and pretty much all politicians are corrupt at some level to someone. It's how they get elected, stay elected, and get things done. I'm starting to think that without corruption (i.e., if all politicians were 100% brutally open and honest all the time) democracy would not work at all.

    25. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I meant 50 ÷ 30. But thank god nobody reads the subjects.

      It's ok. Just say you had an overloaded operator.

    26. Re: 50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think they are all bad, vote Clinton. At least that way we don't have to worry about the actual President putting a dick where it doesn't belong.

    27. Re: 50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, it takes forever to watch all those tapes, but only seconds to skim transcripts. If the trumplican base could read, they'd have gotten out in front of it.

    28. Re:50,000 * 30 by PatientZero · · Score: 1

      Isn't it about time ... to reveal all stuff THEY [Republicans] are doing and do not want you to know?

      New embarrassing documents are being revealed every single day. Don't you follow @realDonaldTrump?

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    29. Re:50,000 * 30 by bongey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dipshit, how about the Clinton Campaign giving assignments to ABC,NBC, CBS,CNN, NY Times, Bloomberg,Vox, Huffington Post , People , New Yorker, Vice , Politico.
      Hint it is call propaganda then, just like you know in Nazi germany, and Hillary has done it even better.
      You are repeating exactly what Hillary wants you to , now step into the shower.

      https://theintercept.com/2016/...
      (NOTE Glenn Greenwald is not on Faux spin news)

      The media is one of the strongest weapons in showing the world the devastating effects of corruption and shining a light on those who would use their entrusted power for personal gain. An independent and free media is a cornerstone of democracy and a crucial component of a healthy governance system.
      Clinton has corrupted this and turned it into a propaganda arm for her campaign.

      This should scare the hell out of the american people if they know their history.

      Note some journalist declined her invitations , they are real journalists.

      Glenn Greenwald broke the who Snowden story open and the NSA spying on everyone.
      Glenn hates trump and hillary both but at least he is ethical.
      #mediagate

    30. Re:50,000 * 30 by rtb61 · · Score: 0

      Funny I get the exact opposite from that without even listening to the tape, why bother. Confession, yep uh huh, just your typical dumb male braggadocio http://www.dictionary.com/brow..., there is even a specific word for it. The louder the boast the less likely it is to be actually happening (simple transference from behaviour with high priced hookers to pretend behaviour in the real world). All pretty lame and typical and compared to what was publicly broadcast be Clinton, "We came, we saw, he died, HA HA HA", now that was something that actually happened and she was laughing over someone being sodomised with firearms, tortured and shot as well as tens of thousands of others dying and main stream media ignores that. So apparently in US main stream, being responsible for the brutal murder and death of thousands and laughing about it, is not as bad as bragging about grabbing high priced hookers whilst pretending the are women off the street is worse. Oh how low has main stream media sunk, global media, if fact all media with hooks from the US military industrial complex and full of three letter agency propagandists pretending to be journalists. See celebrated by main stream media https://www.youtube.com/watch?..., thousands die and it is big ole joke, yet this is good and Trump empty boasting is the height of all evil.

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    31. Re:50,000 * 30 by bongey · · Score: 1

      Oh sure the independent DOJ that isn't working the WH and Clinton. oh shit the leaks shows they were.
      Oh shit everyone got immunity deals and one signed oh sure we will only get info for one month and destroy it for you.
      Oh shit the DOJ dismisses charges against a arms smuggler because it has relations to Clinton.
      Fucking retard thinks the DOJ hasn't been corrupted.

    32. Re:50,000 * 30 by bongey · · Score: 1

      Oh sure the independent DOJ that isn't working the WH and Clinton.
        oh shit the leaks show DOJ WH and Clinton camp were talking.
      Oh shit everyone got immunity deals and one signed oh sure we will only get info for one month and destroy it for you.
      Oh shit the DOJ dismisses charges against a arms smuggler because it has relations to Clinton.
      Fucking retard thinks the DOJ hasn't been corrupted.

    33. Re:50,000 * 30 by nomadic · · Score: 1

      That is completely false. She was never given immunity and the grants of immunity don't impact the emails at all.

    34. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You act as if Trumps scandals have been relatively "minor" and/or "petty" things like his runaway mouth or obvious insecurity/sexism/racism/etc issues. You appear to have (probably willfully) forgotten about the massive business failures (over $900 Billion worth and counting), several cases of adultery, the use/exploitation of immigrant labor, tax evasion charges, the fraud cases, lawsuits, possible cases of bribery, etc. The Clintons have their share of issues to be sure, but comparing the two is like saying the family who walks out on a restaurant bill and swipes a bag of chips from time to time (Clintons) is worse than a family that has donned ski masks and sawed off shotguns to knock over liquor stores on a few occasions.

    35. Re:50,000 * 30 by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

      If you ran a campaign you wouldn't keep lists of friendly journalists? Do you know who Bob Woodward is? He has been given incredible access to Republicans forever and they have been treated kindly for he favor. It's not surprising, but I don't read his books because I know they keep him around mainly because he is useful, not because he is good.

    36. Re:50,000 * 30 by bongey · · Score: 1

      You mean the one that is being orchestrated by Jerry Springers old Producer that has done fake lawsuits like this before.
      You mean the one when a reporter
        got to talk representative of the lawsuit
      he said in fake british accent, over over,
      "suck my dick"
      yeah sounds legit
        http://www.rawstory.com/2016/0...

    37. Re:50,000 * 30 by bongey · · Score: 1

      Oh and story about the Clinton laughing and putting the at 12 year old rape victim through hell that "fact checkers" said was false .

      The 12 year rape victim that Clinton verbally brutalized was there in the audience
      and said Trump was correct.
      http://www.foxnews.com/politic...

      For women rights my she told a 12 year rape victim in court in front everyone that she liked men in there 40s.

      She could easily sandbagged it but she even said she got the guy that was guilty totally off the hook.

    38. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's from CNN. You are judging something about Hillary written by CNN. Would you trust Fox news if they said don't worry about all the Trump scandals he really is a great guy? Because that is exactly what they are saying 24/7 as of late.

      There's Feaux news and there Clinton News Network. If you really want facts you are going to have to dig deeper than headlines by either one.

    39. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with that sentiment - the Hildog is likely to have grabbed many women by the pussy.

    40. Re:50,000 * 30 by Kiuas · · Score: 1

      Due process. You got evidence please release it.

      You're under the illusion that evidence, or facts, make any difference in this election. We live in the golden era of conspiracies, wherein 'the official truth' can always be disregarded when it comes to politicians and governments and replaced with one's own version of the truth supported by the relevant blogs.

      Remember, one side of this race states that he believes climate change to be a chinese conspiracy. This is not a level playing field of factual argumentation, this is a shitshow. It matters not how things actually are but how they're perceived. Traditionally the media is supposed to act as a watchdog and catch politicians on their lies, but it seems to me that the US media has given up on that a long time ago and now its just reporting what the red team says and how the blue team responded.

      Functioning democracies require the voters to be informed, and at the risk of sounding condescending, the american public at large is not, which is why Trump is where he is.

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    41. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      basically confessed to molesting women, then talked about trying to hook up with a married woman, then bragged about how people with power can do pretty much whatever they want

      Every rapper would be in prison if talking like that was a confession to a crime. Shit, probably half the men in the US would be in prison.

      All I really have to say to libshits like you is - how mad are you going to be when Trump wins?

    42. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      could be small leaks leading up to a big one. at least, thats our hope at this point

      And would that be the big one like Bank of America (that never appeared)?

    43. Re:50,000 * 30 by jandrese · · Score: 1

      If you are waiting for the media to break open the story about how they're in bed with the people they are reporting on, well, I wouldn't hold my breath. But if you think this is a major revelation that is going to shock and panic the people you are way late. This has been a problem since the advent of media and politics, but as an issue it peaked during the second gulf war when journalists spent most of their time integrated into military units instead of reporting on the situation independently. At the time it was a minor scandal that the military was coddling the journalists and preventing them from seeing the actual conditions on the ground, but they were also strongarming them by saying they would deny access and stonewall if the journalists tried to do any real journalism. It was a bit of a shock at the time, but instantly became the new status quo and has remained as such ever since.

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    44. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "pretty much the profile of a rapist"

      Let's go all out and enact minority report in real life. Better, let's jail people for thoughtcrime. Because you don't like him.

    45. Re:50,000 * 30 by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      People are upset because he basically confessed to molesting women,

      I understand. Where was the outrage against Clinton for raping women? Where is the outrage against Hillary for going after the women (plural) actually accusing Bill of unwanted sexual advances.

      What I don't understand is the fake outrage at Trump by all those that ignored Bill Clinton's predatory nature. Some of us are outraged at the obvious double standard (or complete lack thereof) here.

      NO, this isn't support of Donald, this is more "I can't believe anyone is falling for this bullshit" and "I can't believe Gary Johnson isn't running away with this election". That being said, Character stopped being an issue with both the Clintons, so pretending it matters with Trump is simply hypocrisy of the highest level by those that are supporting Hillary.

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    46. Re:50,000 * 30 by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      It isn't moral equivalency I am talking about. It is immoral equivalency,

      You support Clinton's Immorality more than you support Trumps. I get it. ;)

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    47. Re:50,000 * 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same AC, I don't support "Clinton's Immorality". I don't believe that either of them are qualified to run a hotdog cart let alone the country. It's like being given the choice between being stabbed with a used syringe (probably safe, but could have HIV, Prions, etc) or shot in the chest (probably deadly), you're going to choose the syringe because its the best of a bad situation not because you want it.

    48. Re:50,000 * 30 by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Clinton had to defend the rapist. Everyone is entitled to counsel in a criminal trial, including the guilty ones. Clinton got the assignment, and the judge wouldn't let her out of it.

      Rape is a really touchy crime, since it's often hard to prove consent or lack of it. At the time, failing to try to slut-shame the victim would be dereliction of duty, since the defense attorney was supposed to do anything to cast doubt on the charge. Things have improved somewhat since then, not nearly enough.

      The result was that the rapist pleaded guilty to a lesser charge, which is worse punishment than most rapists get, unfortunately.

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    49. Re:50,000 * 30 by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Oh, the outrage is out there, regardless of what actually happened. Both Trump and Bill Clinton allegedly raped women (or, in Trump's case, a girl). Since I haven't seen evidence, I'm assuming that none of the alleged rapes actually happened until I find out more.

      Bill Clinton was (and probably still is) a real jerk, but I haven't seen evidence that goes beyond that. Trump talked about sexual assault as if he did it as a matter of course.

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  5. Web leak of e-mails about books about meetings... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I didn't think the news could reach this level of meta-irrelevance!

  6. Rules for Radicals by s.petry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Deny Deny Deny, Distract, Distract, Distract. Sorry folks, but if you are just now waking up you may want to go back to sleep. Politics is full of criminals and criminal actions, each trying to cover up for each other. The media has been in on the scam, as has been Department heads in charge of prosecuting wrong doing.

    It's going to take me a while to read through this lot, I'm not done with the last dump. You can bet your ass the Media won't bother with this, because 11 years ago Trump said the P word. For the people focusing on that instead of actual political corruption, you deserve what is planned by the Left.

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    1. Re:Rules for Radicals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the people focusing on that instead of actual political corruption, you deserve what is planned by the Left.

      If there were any group categorizable as "the Left", it wouldn't be able to agree on what to have for breakfast in the morning. The Right doesn't have a monopoly on backstabbing!

      Clinton's operatives have now successfully swiftboated Stein, you know, after already having successfully torpedoed Sanders.

    2. Re:Rules for Radicals by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      anything from the last data dump that's worth our time?

    3. Re:Rules for Radicals by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They are just throwing everything they have now, hoping something will stick. None of it is particularly explosive though, like the Trump tape.

      I think they realised he can't really win, and are just flailing about.

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    4. Re:Rules for Radicals by s.petry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Only what you should have heard already. 1. Hillary want's open borders and free employment with all of South America (say buh bye to the lower and middle class jobs). 2. Hillary has private positions and what she tells the public (not a big shock, but the admittance is nice). 3. The State Department worked with media to suppress stories about Hillary's (illegal) email activities. (Good to see our tax dollars at work I guess.) 4. Hillary wants Wall Street to make it's own rules and Politicians should stay out of their way. (as with 2, not a big shock but the admittance is nice).

      It's easy to find the diamonds, it's a lengthy process connecting dots and finding the smaller gems. I am a part time Philosopher who does this for my own sanity and entertainment value (also because the media is corrupt and refuses to employ journalists). Don't look to me for breaking news, I'm better for corroboration or denials.

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    5. Re:Rules for Radicals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > private positions and what she tells the public

      That's a nonissue. Every politician needs to have separate public and private positions.

    6. Re:Rules for Radicals by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      But he said "Pussy!" You can't talk about grabbing pussy like that. The bad thing is he's full of shit. He can't just walk up and grab some woman's pussy without getting the shit slapped out of him unless she's a whore. I'd like to see him grab Hilliary's pussy. Right in the middle of the fucking debate. I'd pay good money to see that. I bet it'd bite his fucking hand off.

    7. Re:Rules for Radicals by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      Bill and Chelsea drove the COO of the CF to commit suicide.

    8. Re:Rules for Radicals by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      In what way is the Trump tape explosive? Did it change anyone's opinion of Trump?

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    9. Re:Rules for Radicals by s.petry · · Score: 1

      My opinion of Trump did not change, because I read the transcript. It should take about 10 seconds to figure out that this is manufactured hysteria. My opinion of Media and Hillary did go down slightly, but it's already so far down that I can't measure a difference.

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    10. Re:Rules for Radicals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's sort of a plot premise for that kind of thing, you know. The summary did say Hillary wanted to record some video footage... -PCP

    11. Re:Rules for Radicals by bongey · · Score: 1

      Yep lemming do you not realize the USC/La times ,poll has Trump up by 6 since the debate.
      You know the poll that was the most accurate the last 2 elections
      You know the poll that didn't change its formulas after it show Trump in the lead.
      You know the poll that is truly independent from the la times.

    12. Re:Rules for Radicals by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Oh lordy, Stein swiftboated Stein.

    13. Re:Rules for Radicals by nomadic · · Score: 1

      "You know the poll that was the most accurate the last 2 elections"

      Nope. Not even close to the most accurate.

    14. Re:Rules for Radicals by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Well, yes, obviously it did change people's minds. Look at how many former supporters in the Republican party are no longer endorsing him, or even endorsing Clinton.

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    15. Re:Rules for Radicals by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Those are #NeverTrumpers NeverTrumping. Of course they're against Trump...they're paid by the same people who pay Clinton.

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    16. Re:Rules for Radicals by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You mean like Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House? He seems to have been a long term supporter, not a " #NeverTrumper".

      Even Giuliani has stopped defending him.

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    17. Re:Rules for Radicals by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I don't think you've been paying attention. There's been a long feud between Trump and Ryan. "Omnibus" Ryan is the poster boy for the neocon establishment, and the exact kind of person Trump voters are sick of and want to boot out. He's basically a democrat, he's married to a democrat, and he's from Wisconsin which is very progressive. Ryan withheld his endorsement of Trump for a very long time (as Trump did with Ryan), and even then basically endorsed "the party's nominee" because he had to. The entire point of the Trump movement is an insurgency against the Paul Ryan types. When Mitt Romney gave his "anyone but Trump" speech, Trump's support went up.

      And Guiliani gave a fiery speech last night at the opening of Trump's rally. He doesn't defend Trump's comments, but he absolutely supports Trump.

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    18. Re:Rules for Radicals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I find hilarious here is that while Trump's words are uncouth, he actually admitted that he never got anywhere with the woman he was pursuing. He *says* he can touch women just for being famous, but we don't know if he ever actually did it.

      Meanwhile, Bill Clinton actually had sexual encounters while in office, in the White House, but we don't see anywhere near the same level of outrage in the Democrats. Some even defended him. Hey, it's his private life, why you being such a conservative republican moral nanny on what goes on in other people's bedrooms (well, oval office)?

    19. Re:Rules for Radicals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a rather ringing endorsement for Trump, don't you think?

    20. Re:Rules for Radicals by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Hillary want's open borders and free employment with all of South America

      You know, I want that too\. It's a nice ideal to have. There's lots of reasons why doing it right now would be really bad, but setting things up so it would work is a worthwhile goal.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    21. Re:Rules for Radicals by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Lots of prominent Republicans have publicly severed relations with Trump and claimed they were going to vote for Clinton in response to the tape. I don't really care what you think about their motivations; the tape clearly caused the public announcements. Assuming the public announcements changed minds, the tape changed minds.

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    22. Re:Rules for Radicals by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      But the public announcements came from people who already failed at changing minds. These people were always against Trump. If people cared what Paul Ryan thought, Trump would have never been the nominee. Those Republicans turned more people against them than against Trump, and further exposed what those of who've been paying attention have known for years: there is no two party system, just a uniparty with common economic interests. Paul Ryan would rather have Hillary as president because the same people own both of them.

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    23. Re:Rules for Radicals by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It may have been primarily a good excuse for prominent Republicans to say what they really think, but I'm sure the announcements changed minds.

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    24. Re:Rules for Radicals by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      We'll see, but I doubt it. I don't think you understand how Trump voters think. They're literally voting on the issues: BUILD WALL DEPORT ILLEGALS BAN MUSLIMS BEAT CHYNA BOMB ISIS. That's it. They've known he's a womanizer since forever, so this didn't change anything about the reasons they're voting for Trump so while it's a crude statement that makes you cringe, it didn't change any of his broad policies. Nobody was voting for Trump to be a champion of women's rights (except in so far as stopping mexican rapists and muslim oppression of women). For the neocons they were always against Trump because he's not in the pocket of Club for Growth, the Chamber of Commerce, Goldman Sachs, etc, like they are, so the whole pussy grabbing thing is just an excuse to shill for their girl Hildawg.

      Thank God the election's almost here. The media and the shilling are off the charts. I can't wait for everybody to vote and we can just be done with it and move on.

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    25. Re:Rules for Radicals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up, Petry. You and your relatives piss me off on a daily basis. You guys are a whole family of loonies.

  7. In Chelsea's defense by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would probably be a spoiled brat too if I had been raised by parents who taught me that political power is the only thing that matters, and that it can buy you out of any moral responsibility.

    It probably also wouldn't help if everything in my life were just handed to me because of my parents' political clout, without me ever having to actually earn anything on my own or even having get a real job that wasn't just handed to me on a silver platter.

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    1. Re:In Chelsea's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah i agree the Donald is totally spoiled.

    2. Re:In Chelsea's defense by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      If you want to talk about "white privilege" .. Chelsea is the poster child.

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    3. Re:In Chelsea's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are all just jealous about the 200k starting salary Chelsea got, nothing more. Stay fed, my starving Slashdot bothers and sisters!

    4. Re:In Chelsea's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for Correcting the Record.

    5. Re:In Chelsea's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'm sure lots of kids fresh out of college got appointments to several powerful boards and multiple entry-level job offers in the $200K+ range on the day they graduated--just like I'm sure George W. Bush got into Yale and Harvard based on his own natural intelligence and hard-work too.

    6. Re:In Chelsea's defense by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you want to talk about "white privilege" .. Chelsea is the poster child.

      There's not enough room on the poster for all the children who belong on it, but there's room to include Trump's tiny hand holding a check for a small ten million dollar loan from his father.

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    7. Re:In Chelsea's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One million. If you criticize with facts they must actually be facts.

    8. Re:In Chelsea's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Donald "my dad gave me a small loan of a million dollars" is not a poster child for white privilege?

    9. Re:In Chelsea's defense by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      One million. If you criticize with facts they must actually be facts.

      Well, you clearly have it right, I checked. I read ten somewhere way back when, and no one has corrected me until now. Congratulations!

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    10. Re:In Chelsea's defense by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I do understand that he paid it back. His father was pretty adamant about that. But yeah, he wasn't born into poverty by any means. Unlike so many of that set though he did manage to make a lot of money which he lost then made more then lost that and then made more. Reminds me of Ted Turner who also went bankrupt several times. Those guys are risk takers and wheeler dealers whereas Hilliary is a parasite who has become a multi-millionaire in government service. I know I trust him about -10 on a 1 to 10 scale and her about - 100 billion. He'll probably screw us over and she certainly will. It's not a good choice anywhere I look.

    11. Re:In Chelsea's defense by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I wish my white privilege extended to a million dollar loan. I got left paying part of a 15 thousand dollar funeral bill.

    12. Re:In Chelsea's defense by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      And then there's !Jeb.

    13. Re:In Chelsea's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There were a series of them. Actually about 17 million (Not counting inflation)

    14. Re: In Chelsea's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad to know you gave a firm grasp of numbers and proportionality.

    15. Re:In Chelsea's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One million. If you criticize with facts they must actually be facts.

      Trump says it was one million. He lied. It was well over 10 million and his father bailed him out after he lost everything he had and a quite a bit more in his first venture to casino business.

      Trump has the knack of losing money when running casinos. Just think about that.

    16. Re:In Chelsea's defense by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There were a series of them. Actually about 17 million (Not counting inflation)

      I just want to get the quote right. Even one million is an incredible statement when most Americans can't come up with $400 for an emergency.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    17. Re: In Chelsea's defense by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Thanks! ;)

    18. Re:In Chelsea's defense by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If Trump made money, why isn't he paying taxes? If Clinton is so much more of a liar than Trump, why is she showing up in fact checkers as pretty honest for a politician and Trump is constantly caught in flagrant lies to the point that it's not news anymore?

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    19. Re:In Chelsea's defense by Bookworm09 · · Score: 1

      Unlike so many of that set though he did manage to make a lot of money which he lost then made more then lost that and then made more. Reminds me of Ted Turner who also went bankrupt several times. Those guys are risk takers and wheeler dealers...

      Here's the thing: Trump didn't "make" that money in the sense that most people use it. It's more accurate to say that he stole that money (maybe not all of it, but certainly a fair portion of it) from gullible people who trusted his schtick about being a savvy businessman.

      Citations:

      http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/opinions/art-deception-dantonio/index.html
      http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/trump-small-business-owners/
      http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-university-did-not-make-these-americans-great-lawsuit-2016-02-25
      http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-made-millions-from-multilevel-marketing-firm-endorsements-2015-08-13

    20. Re:In Chelsea's defense by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      Curious how you expect Hillary will "screw us over".

    21. Re:In Chelsea's defense by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Curious how you expect Hillary will "screw us over".

      The media expects her to as well; she is the "status quo" candidate. Since the status quo is a lubeless fucking for the citizenry... QED

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  8. Good job Correcting The Record. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good job Correcting The Record.

  9. bluster versus power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump said "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."

    Hillary could actually shoot somebody in the middle of 5th avenue and those impotent old white-guy Republicans couldn't touch her.

    Do you really want a blowhard LOSER for President when you can have a ice-cold GANGSTA?

    1. Re:bluster versus power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hillary's husband can rape as many women as he wants with Hillary attacking the victims and the cat ladies would continue to vote for her.

    2. Re:bluster versus power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Donald -- it's Twitter and Facebook where you have all the followers.

    3. Re:bluster versus power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hillary - It's .... still thinking .... hmmmm ..... not sure where you have unpaid followers, but I am sure there are a few.

    4. Re:bluster versus power by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      She's got Goldman Sachs and most of corporate America paying her. She's outspending Trump by a ridiculous amount and it's not making a difference. Trump has one thing and one thing only going for him. He's not Hilliary Clinton, and for nearly half of American voters that's all he needs.

    5. Re:bluster versus power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/trump/clinton/

    6. Re:bluster versus power by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Even the most virulent Donald Trump haters, the people who despised him three years ago, have to be amazed at how well he is doing in his run against the Cuckquean.

    7. Re:bluster versus power by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

      She's got Goldman Sachs and most of corporate America paying her.

      Unlike Trump who is fighting man of the people!! and - oh wait.

      She's outspending Trump by a ridiculous amount and it's not making a difference.

      Want to know why Trumps campaign is broke and Clintons is rolling in the dough? Because Trump is so inept he cannot even hold the Republican base let alone win the swing states that any Republican candidate MUST win to win the electoral college. All this blather about emails is making no difference where it counts, in the states that should be in play, but aren't because Clinton is too far ahead. The Republicans have thrown Trump to the wolves, because he stunk up their house and they couldn't stand it no more. At no point has Trump looked likely to win, and he never looked less likely to win than he does right now. So nobody is giving his campaign any money because why throw money at a loser?

      Let me share something of how the rest of us see things differently to what you do as a loyal Trump lapdog and shill. In the recent debate Trump promised to put Clinton in jail if he won the election. He said that, and his supporters cheered because they thought it made him look like a straight talker and a tough man, an alpha dog, the strong man. Like Duterte and his jokes about missing opportunities to gang rape a woman and boasting about the number of people he has killed, or Recep Tayyip Erdogan: although old Tayyip is too smart to publically say he is going to jail his political opponents , he prefers to do that sort of thing in private. Which is why he gets to be president, and Trump never will.

      This implication did not escape the notice of many, those of us from functioning democracies, and not lost either on those Americans who long for healthy democracy, who long for a better place where you can say what you want without being threatened by punishment. Trump has just demonstrated, emphatically, that he will never be the leader who will take them to that better place.

      There just aren't enough Americans who are charmed by his tough man Duterte-lite act to win the election. And he has left it too late to pivot toward the moderates, without whom he cannot win.

      He's not Hillary Clinton, and for nearly half of American voters that's all he needs.

      Where "nearly half" means "not anywhere near enough voters to win the presidency"

    8. Re:bluster versus power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "and it's not making a difference"

      And how would you know? Have we had a Trump vs Clinton election previously where Clinton has spent less money that you are using as a data point? How do you know the money she spent hasn't affected the opinion by a percent or two?

    9. Re:bluster versus power by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 1

      That money makes a huge difference. Because of her ads she's just that tad little bit less hated to get enough votes to ensure her election.

    10. Re:bluster versus power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. I thought Trump was an ordinary slimeball then, but I know with certainty now that he's in a league of his own.

    11. Re:bluster versus power by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      this argument is funny to me....

      "the republican base" you mean the people we have been trying to get out of the way since 2008? whoi cares about them???

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    12. Re:bluster versus power by KeensMustard · · Score: 1
      The re[ublican base is the people who always vote Republican. You know: the same people that are always referred to as "the republican base".

      At least, they were voting Republican up till now.

  10. These bitches be crazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "She is acting like a spoiled brat kid who has nothing else to do but create issues to justify what she's doing..." She's her mother's daughter alright.

    The Democrat's crying foul about Russia in this election is just plain crazy, they're preying on old cold-war fears; much like how they denounce the old frog god Kek. Weird and crazy.

    1. Re:These bitches be crazy... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      But it's Russia! And they hacked the DNC leaking all the info on how the Dems colluded to fuck Bernie over! Oh the horror!

    2. Re:These bitches be crazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck Bernie. The guys isnt a Democrat.

    3. Re:These bitches be crazy... by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      Maybe that's why I liked him so much. I knew he wasn't all bad.

  11. Won't make any difference by p51d007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When her "good friend" Trump met with Bill Clinton, THEN he announced he was going to run, I said, ok, it's over. I started to prepare myself for her to be president (yuck!). Trump was only in this to knock out any other Republican, using his "celebrity" status, and, it worked. He got all the attention, and the others just died on the vine. Now, it won't matter if you caught Hillary on HD video, with a gun in her hand, murdering a small kid in a wheelchair, then laughing because the media would cover it up. Between the media, and the amount of illegal votes that Hillary will receive, she'd have to DROP DEAD before being sworn in, to not win the election. She's been appointed, and the elections don't really matter...their corporate masters are the ones who appoint them. The general election is nothing but a farce. And why shouldn't it be? The "public" pays more attention to the TMZ types, sports types than they do politicians, who, have a greater impact on our lives than anything else. We don't live in a democratically elected republic anymore. It's more akin to what Russia/China have, than anything else.

    1. Re: Won't make any difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, was there ever any doubt that Hillary will lose the election? I've been preparing for her to be president ever since she announced her candidacy and Uncle Joe refused to run. Hillary will win the election. No need to fear Trump winning--it just won't happen. (FYI, I won't be voting for her or Trump.) Seriously, people think Trump may win? Not a chance. Mark my words, Hillary will be the next POTUS (I guess you cant since I am AC!)

    2. Re: Won't make any difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah. I don't buy that at all. Our elections make a difference. It's actually really, really hard to fix an election and keep it quiet. Election monitors are actually quite good at what they do, and they have complete freedom to monitor things in this country. You can point to the electoral college and how it's not representative, but electoral college shenanigans only come into play if the vote is 52-48% or closer. If a vote in the US is ever 45-55, the 55 will win it and no amount of gerrymandering, backroom deals or elite maneuvering is going to change it.

      Our elections are pretty darn free, and fair. The American public chooses their leaders, and they get what they deserve. If we choose Trump, we deserve every bit of damage that he visits on us. If we choose Clinton, we deserve her and the continuance of current government policies that she represents.

    3. Re: Won't make any difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      such innocence

    4. Re:Won't make any difference by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      the amount of illegal votes that Hillary will receive

      I feel like you needed to explain this part a little more... wtf are you talking about?

    5. Re:Won't make any difference by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      It's a democracy. The people get the government they deserve. It's hardly surprising we have vain, lying money grubbers running things considering how many people live the same way. That is what a representative democracy is.

    6. Re: Won't make any difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      such paranoia.

  12. Re:Donald Trump is the KGB Candidate by ichthus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Proof? I'm still waiting for the explanation as to how the hacks and leaks have been tied to the Russians. To date, this is all still conjecture and/or assertion without any credible presentation of evidence to back it up. Until I see it, I'll just [safely] assume this is an act of desperation by team Clinton to try to tie Trump to the Ruskies. Pathetic, weak diversion.

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  13. Wrong by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Assange has made it a point to dump material for Journalists to report on. Wikileaks my occasionally provide some commentary, but that is not the service they want and not the service they claim to provide.

    The real issue is that we have a massive media monopoly in the US. Journalism has died and entertainment took it's place. IMHO, the US DOJ should start breaking up the media monopolies. We have laws for that.

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    1. Re:Wrong by nomadic · · Score: 1

      " Wikileaks my occasionally provide some commentary, but that is not the service they want and not the service they claim to provide."

      Assange never stops commenting on what he is releasing.

    2. Re:Wrong by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

      I would have told you that a year ago but the Washington Post and New York Times both do real reporting pretty consistently now. Read them, you'll see.

  14. Re:Donald Trump is the KGB Candidate by Entrope · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians were helping make these leaks, whether by breaking into the computers, connecting the data thieves with leaking organizations, bankrolling those organizations, or whatever.

    But even if they did all those things, the real questions are (a) is the content true, and (b) if it is true, why do we need the Russians to reveal it?

  15. STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Another email has long-time Clinton aide Doug Band referring to Chelsea Clinton as a "spoiled brat."

    Julian Assange's October Surprise. Hillary will have to drop out now that an email has been leaked from someone calling her daughter a 'spoiled brat".

    The American People must not stand for this.

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    1. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Stop the presses! Trump likes pussy! Oh well, I guess I'm ready for open borders, mass immigration of retarded 3rd worlders and muslims, take my guns, ramp up for war with Russia over Syria, and ram the TPP up my deplorable ass #ImWithHer. If only it he had been a cum-gargling faggot he'd have been beloved by the progressive and tolerant left, but men who like pussy are unacceptable in [current year].

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    2. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Another email has long-time Clinton aide Doug Band referring to Chelsea Clinton as a "spoiled brat."

      Julian Assange's October Surprise. Hillary will have to drop out now that an email has been leaked from someone calling her daughter a 'spoiled brat".

      The American People must not stand for this.

      Yes, Pay No Attention! Move Along, Citizen!

      Because if there's one partial dump of all the 30K emails being released that *don't* have loads of stunningly criminal/corrupt activity in nearly every single email, then that completely exonerates Clinton/DNC on any of the other criminal/corrupt activities already revealed and anything to be revealed in future email dumps.

      But hey, thanks for Correcting The Record! $0.25 has been added to your account.

      Strat

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    3. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Stop the presses! Trump likes pussy!

      Admitting to sexual assault is not the same as "liking pussy".

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    4. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by meta-monkey · · Score: 0

      But they like it, so it's not assault. See, I know this because I'm not a beta faggot like you. I achieved extremely minor celebrity in a stupid, insignificant field, and at professional conventions hot young (married!) women would throw themselves at me. Even in front of my wife! For no other reason than because I was mildly famous in a completely insignificant way!

      The only people who were shocked by a wealthy, famous man saying that women will throw themselves at wealthy, famous men and let them grab their pussies are beta faggots and dykes, and none of them were voting for Trump anyway.

      Now, vote for war, for TPP, for Wall Street, for all that death and decay, for all that shit, because you can't bear a real man saying mean things, you worthless piece of garbage. You'll get all the blood Hillary spilled during her time as Secretary of State times 10! But at least no one will call you nasty names.

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    5. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      But they like it, so it's not assault. See, I know this because I'm not a beta faggot like you.

      Yes, I bet the ladies love it when you grab their genitals. You seem like a real catch.

      at professional conventions hot young (married!) women would throw themselves at me.

      I'm pretty sure they were trying to serve you with legal papers. I guess there really isn't any limit to the fantasies and fragility of the men's rights activist.

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    6. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Admitting to sexual assault is not the same as "liking pussy".

      Where did Trump admit to sexual assault? When did this happen? This must be some other video than the Access Hollywood video because I've never seen that.

      What he said is that women would let him grab them by the pussy (a weird phrase, sure) because of his star power. That's not sexual assault. That's women consenting to sexual content because they're attracted to power.

      President Bill Clinton, on the other hand, has been accused of rape multiple times and used the power of his office to silence his victims. Secretary Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, merely participated in the coverups of the rapes and worked as a defense attorney to ensure that rape victims never got to see justice when they brought their rapists to trial.

      But, hey, go on talking about how terrible Trump is because women are attracted to him. I'm sure you and your fellow betas will feel so much better slinging mud at a man that's far more successful than you can even dream of being.

    7. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Where did Trump admit to sexual assault?

      http://reason.com/blog/2016/10...

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    8. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He explicitly said they let him do it - that it was consensual.

      As opposed to the multiple rapes Bill Clinton has committed.

      And reason.com, really? They've been biased against Trump the entire campaign.

    9. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      And reason.com, really?

      Now reason.com is too lefty for you too?

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    10. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      So you still have no answer why some meaningless locker-room boasting - and no actual assault - is somehow worse than a woman who has defended an actual rapist who has raped multiple women? A woman who has not only supported and helped cover up the activities of an actual rapist but who helped a rapist who raped a 12 year old girl avoid justice by attacking the character of the 12 year old victim. In court. And then laughed about it later.

      But, no, somehow some mindless private boasting makes someone "unfit for office" but defending literal rapists does not, and you have no answer to that other than to point to biased sources that are trying to pretend Trump did anything other than say some non-PC things.

    11. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      So you still have no answer why some meaningless locker-room boasting

      So, Trump was boasting about sexually assaulting a woman but lying to make himself look better in the eyes of a grade-C soap opera actor?

      OK, I accept your argument, but I'm not sure why you want to be calling Trump a liar if you want him to become president. I take him at his word. If he says he did it, then he did it. Trump deserves the benefit of the doubt about his claim of sexually assaulting women.

      Anyway, we'll have more to discuss on this topic in two days, when Trump's trial in the rape of a 13 year-old girl starts.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/n...

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    12. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      But they like it, so it's not assault.

      It's true. They like it so much that the other men had to lock me away for doing it because I was getting so much pussy and it just wasn't fair on them. BRB lights out time.

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    13. Re:STOP THE PRESSES! SIREN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where was he lying? He said that beautiful women LET him do it. Not that he assaults women, that they LET him do it. You get that? He was saying that because of his star power, women just let him do whatever he wants. He doesn't say that he assaults anyone. He doesn't need to.

      And that supposed rape of a 13 year old? This will be the third attempt at a lawsuit. The previous two were dismissed for severe issues, but dismissed without prejudice so they could be resubmitted later. The case is so flimsy that pretty much the only reporting on it is that the lawsuit exists, the reporters that looked into it found the evidence was so lacking. There's a reason it isn't a big issue in the campaign. And the best part? The co-defendant in that case, Jeffrey Epstein? He's a known pedophile and a close friend of Bill Clinton who's donated to the Clinton Foundation. So what the case is really doing is trying to find an excuse to tie Donald Trump to a known Clinton associate so that they can pick Donald's pockets (as it's a civil case and not a criminal case).

  16. Gordon Freeman for President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NT

    1. Re:Gordon Freeman for President by 0dugo0 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sure, with the republican and democratic party candidates acting like complete and utter idiots I'm sure this presidential election see a record of 0 electoral votes for anyone else. We are talking about an electorate that re-elected George W. Bush here.

  17. Who you calling KGB? by mi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Julian Assange is a KGB agent, on a mission to elect Donald Trump.

    Wait, Snowden — hiding in Russia is a hero for his exposes, but Assange — hiding in London — is a "KGB agent" for his?..

    Only releases information that is useful to russia.

    The only known instance of an American politician covertly seeking Russian help in exchange for favorable policy changes is that of Ted Kennedy (struggling against Ronald Reagan) — the Democratic "lion" and otherwise a hero of everything Progressive.

    Secretary Clinton lied yesterday, when she claimed, Trump is the first to be accused of collaborating with Russia. And, while accusations against Trump are completely unsubstantiated, those against Kennedy are backed by the KGB's archives...

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    1. Re: Who you calling KGB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lied? I think you mean, at best, was mistaken. Or maybe she meant 'only person accused by other than by right-wing crackpots.'

      But maybe we're just shifting misspoke -> was mistaken -> erred -> lied down the spectrum further to account for how there isn't really a word for someone who, when confronted by his own actual voice speaking on a recording, continues to insist that he didn't say something.

    2. Re:Who you calling KGB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am reluctant to accept something from a KGB archive as fact. Do you not think they might have fabricated the story? JFK was no friend of the USSR, and KGB might have still borne some grudges against the Kennedy family.

      Do you have any other source for this claim other than "KGB archive"?

    3. Re: Who you calling KGB? by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lied? I think you mean, at best, was mistaken.

      Thanks to the links I offered above, you too know, she spoke an untruth.

      Maybe, you are too young to have paid attention, when these facts broke out, but Hillary Clinton was already very active in politics — she can not possibly not have heard about it. Therefore, she knew. Deliberately telling an untruth is the very definition of lying.

      I am reluctant to accept something from a KGB archive as fact.

      Well, what would you accept as fact? There are folks, who still question Moon-landing, for example, and they too can explain in detail, why everything known about it was not "fact". In the early 1990-ies, when the archives were (briefly) made accessible, the KGB was in disarray...

      KGB might have still borne some grudges against the Kennedy family.

      American Left have always been good to the USSR and Russia... It was because of them, the US was humiliated in Vietnam, defeated not by military might, but by discontent back at home. Later, when the USSR collapsed, it was Bill Clinton, who didn't push for Nurneberg-style of the Communists, allowing their prosecution to fizzle — that during the time, when Moscow was barely avoiding famine thanks to America's help. Later, it were Barack and Hillary, who offered Putin a "Reset" — and poured billions of dollars into Russian scientific researchnot selflessly, of course. The duo also completely forgave Putin his invasion of Georgia by ending all sanctions in 2010 (thus encouraging him to invade Ukraine, as predicted).

      Why would Putin seek to undermine such an asset as Hillary — whom he could've instead controlled with a combination of continuing bribery and blackmail over the bribes already taken?

      Sure enough, Democrats would like Trump to look like Putin's favorite, but history points rather strongly at them...

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    4. Re:Who you calling KGB? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Of course you are. The KGB archives are full of facts that blow up a 'liberal's' worldview.

      The Rosenbergs were guilty, Heiss was a KGB agent, so was Allende, the CPUSA was paid for and worked for the benefit of Stalin, etc etc etc.

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    5. Re: Who you calling KGB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yawn. pinko.

  18. Brexit by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Hearing the media, progressives, and phony right career politicians claim doom and gloom for Trump is a narrative that benefits the left. It's obvious why they push the narrative, but I trust them with that as much as I trust them not to try and tag team Trump in debates. The left is so sure they won the USA they are playing sloppy. Remember Brexit was going to be a blowout too, and all the elites wanted to remain in the EU. I seem to remember the people of the UK getting the result that the majority wanted though, and not what the establishment "predicted".

    Virtually everything you hear from the media in the US is contrived to manipulate Hillary into office. I have studied Philosophy, Rhetoric, Logic, and the necessary History, Psychology, Math, etc.. to make sense of the world. I can spot the crap from miles away, but this election requires very little insight. The Trump audio was released the same day as Wikileaks dumps. Would you like to bet money that they get another paid spokesperson to claim Trump touched her "no-no" place to distract from this one? Today or tomorrow you will see another contrived claim and even more hysterical phony outrage from people.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:Brexit by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Bad news about Brexit, it's already going badly wrong and the predictions that the experts made are coming true. The Pound is lower than it's been for decades, business is not interesting.

      People are realising that their feelings aren't a substitute for expert advice. It's an huge failure of democracy, both the post-factual campaign and the fact that now our PM keeps saying "Brexit means Brexit" but no one knows what people actually voted for.

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    2. Re:Brexit by cbraescu1 · · Score: 1

      You speak of "the elites" as if that's something bad.

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    3. Re:Brexit by s.petry · · Score: 2

      Conflating issues are we? The pound being low has nothing to do with the current levels of political corruption in the UK? How about the mass of immigrants they are dealing with when jobs were already scarce? How about the massive increase in government programs to stifle free speech and spy on the populace? Oh but it's all because they left the EU, which was only half ass adopted in the UK to begin with right? Good grief.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    4. Re:Brexit by s.petry · · Score: 1

      It is bad, but hey. Enjoy your servitude.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    5. Re:Brexit by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Explain how corruption caused the weak Pound. Explain why the Pound fell massively on the day of the result, and again when the article 50 date was set

      Immigration is a huge benefit to the UK. It's hardly a flood, just badly managed.

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    6. Re:Brexit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "it's already going badly wrong and the predictions that the experts made are coming true."

      http://archive.is/MUMys
      Check how the exchange rate is already trending "regularly" down from end May to a day or two after Brexit.
      Now if you check about one week before the vote, there's a strange upward trend and a sudden fall that every "economists" were talking about.
      What you are seeing is that someone or some people have been buying massive amount of pounds just to dump them after vote and let the media report it as "catastrophic", showing only the few days before the vote and ignoring the existing trend, and after this event, the real value went back to its original course.

      http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1Y
      Now if you check the current trend for a year, it has already been going down since last year, independently of Brexit.
      There's no prediction "because of Brexit, their economy is doing badly", it's a world trend, and you can bet it will crash at some point.
      Unless a world war is started before, just to hide the crash.

    7. Re:Brexit by s.petry · · Score: 1

      The same way corruption is harming the US economy. Money is being funneled from the private to the public sector and dumped on crap instead of things like Infrastructure which could put people to work. In the US for example, the 1.2 Billion dollars handed to Iran for hostages could have been used for roads and money been recirculated by the public. Instead, someone in Iran has a very nice retirement package. I gave you one of the UK examples, in the Government pissing away money to stifle speech and spy on the public.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    8. Re:Brexit by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'm not disputing the wasted money, I'm saying it isn't responsible for the sudden and severe drop in the value of the Pound.

      The UK has always been corrupt in this way. In the 80s they couldn't play certain Irish people's voices on TV. In the late 90s the internet wars started. Yet the Pound was fine, now suddenly after this vote it's crashing. Are you saying the timing if Brexit is mere coincidence?

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    9. Re:Brexit by s.petry · · Score: 0

      There is no sudden and severe drop in the pound, this was all seen by economists for quite some time. I realize that it takes some study to figure out, but there are experts out there talking about economics outside of the cronies in Government. Brexit was the smartest thing the people could do, because the whole of the Eurozone is tanking. Look at Deutchbank for pity sake, who Friday was trading at 7% of last years value. That is Germany, the heart of the Euro. Nobody in the EU has money, they are all running at massive debt and spending more and more on corrupt programs and massive immigration which harms their economies even more. What do you do with 1,000,000 immigrants when you already have 9% unemployment? Tax and handout is what has been done, and that is simply not sustainable.

      The levels of corruption in the UK today far exceed what I remember in the 80s and 90s which were at least similar to the US.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    10. Re:Brexit by PatientZero · · Score: 1

      In the US for example, the 1.2 Billion dollars handed to Iran for hostages could have been used for roads and money been recirculated by the public.

      This is incorrect for several reasons.

      • The money wasn't for the hostages. The hostages were released in exchange for the U.S. giving clemency to several Iranians convicted of dodging the sanctions.
      • The $400 million was money the U.S. had already accepted from Iran in exchange for weapons the U.S. then refused to send.
      • The $1.2 billion was interest on that money. The original money was held and the interest accrued in an account specifically for this purpose and did not belong to the U.S. government or its citizens.

      Now, if you're going to argue that the U.S. should not follow the rule of law, I'll save you some time and bow out of this conversation. Either way, you should do some more research on this. The U.S. has done some severely shitty things throughout its history, but repaying money owed for goods never delivered isn't one of them.

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    11. Re:Brexit by s.petry · · Score: 0

      The US can use discretion when dealing with foreign hostile nations, including but not limited to those holding hostages. Yes, the US has laws and you should really try to get a grasp on them before correcting others.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    12. Re:Brexit by PatientZero · · Score: 1

      Please educate us on the law that would allow the U.S. to keep the money held in escrow from the arms sale. Or does "discretion" include not obeying international laws and treaties?

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      Freedom to fear. Freedom from thought. Freedom to kill.
      I guess the War on Terror really is about freedom!
    13. Re:Brexit by s.petry · · Score: 0

      Sanctions approved by the US Congress and Senate which President Obama lifted without Congressional approval. You could also go with US Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. How about trying a Google search yourself, you will find plenty of law books. You know, so then you could actually be smart instead of pretending.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    14. Re:Brexit by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about the money that was laundered into non-US currency and delivered on a pallet at the airstrip where the hostages were being held and were only released when the contents of the pallet were verified?

    15. Re:Brexit by nomadic · · Score: 0

      Remember Brexit was going to be a blowout too

      False. The polls were very close, up to the end.

      Virtually everything you hear from the media in the US is contrived to manipulate Hillary into office.

      Idiotic. The media has been attacking Hillary for 30 years; they hate her. They hate Trump more, now, but they have always hated Hillary. Look at all the false scandals, misleading headlines, etc. etc..

      I have studied Philosophy, Rhetoric, Logic, and the necessary History, Psychology, Math, etc.. to make sense of the world.

      Then why are your critical reasoning skills so poor?

      I can spot the crap from miles away

      No, you can't. You are easily tricked and manipulated by idiotic conspiracy theories.

    16. Re:Brexit by nomadic · · Score: 1

      "Sanctions approved by the US Congress and Senate which President Obama lifted without Congressional approval"

      You are fundamentally ignorant of U.S. law. The Iran Sanctions Act allows the President to lift sanctions on his own authority. The U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act is irrelevant here. Wikipedia is not an education, especially when you do not understand the wikipedia articles you read.

    17. Re:Brexit by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Amazing commentary, especially since I didn't read Wikipedia at all. Try searching for methods the US could have used to hold the money and reading commentary from practicing attorneys on the subject. You will find plenty that consider what President Obama did, in addition to various means of continuing to withhold the money. You know, that thing you said we can't legally do but did for decades perfectly legally.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    18. Re:Brexit by nomadic · · Score: 1

      I AM an attorney, who has actually done some work in terrorism-related law. The President was fully within his rights to release the funds under the law, and did so in order to effect foreign policy. He could have held the money frozen further, but he did not have the authority to just steal it, like you have argued. Your argument that he could have just taken the money and used it for America's own good is blatantly wrong.

    19. Re:Brexit by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Fair points, and my apology for misunderstanding. I assumed your argument was that we were legally forced to return the money., not that you felt my argument was "stealing" Iranian money. It appears to me through reading that the US Government does have the ability to seize assets through various Laws. There are certainly diplomatic concerns with doing so, but legally we can and have seized assets. There is also discretion on how those assets are used.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    20. Re:Brexit by PatientZero · · Score: 1

      No, I'm talking about the real world. Call of Duty cut scenes don't apply.

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      Freedom to fear. Freedom from thought. Freedom to kill.
      I guess the War on Terror really is about freedom!
    21. Re:Brexit by PatientZero · · Score: 1

      Oh, /. How many marriages have you broken up due to your limited reply depth and how it makes it look like everyone is replying to everyone? :p

      s.petry: The illegality of taking that money held in escrow for our own purposes is exactly what I was replying to you about. You can argue that we should have continued holding that money to force Iran to . . . what? Release hostages? No need, they already agreed to release them. Stop enriching uranium? They did that a few years back with the help of Stuxnet. Publicize their secret nuclear enrichment site? Too bad, they already did that too. Agree not to further their nuclear program? Yes, you win!

      Now certainly, Clinton's continued agreement with the hardline hawk establishment that Iran was "weeks away" from a viable nuclear program have been debunked by everyone who knows two shits about the matter. But Trump continues to push that assessment to this day and even touts war with Iran as "Meh, no biggie."* He also says that everyone should have nukes, and we should all use them. Either he's trying to play Nixon's "madman" persona poorly, or he's a complete tool.

      Bing Tsher E: My CoD comment was directed at your nonsense. Move along.

      * Not an actual word-for-word quote. He probably used the phrase "grab her pussy" somewhere in there.

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      Freedom to fear. Freedom from thought. Freedom to kill.
      I guess the War on Terror really is about freedom!
    22. Re:Brexit by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Remember Brexit was going to be a blowout too

      So, you're claiming it won't be? Or are you claiming it isn't despite no evidence because you know, it hasn't actually happened yet. But then again, being post-factual was more or less the cornerstone of the brexit campaign.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    23. Re:Brexit by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Money is being funneled from the private to the public sector and dumped on crap instead of things like Infrastructure which could put people to work.

      Certainly is. Only it's being done worst by the Tories[*] who are busy taking us out of the EU, so I'm not really sure how you think Brexit will help in this regard.

      [*]Not like labour have a clean record in this regard either, but the Southern Debacle seems to be a particularly Tory contrivance.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    24. Re:Brexit by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is no sudden and severe drop in the pound,

      u mad bro? The pound dropped over 10% vs the dollar literally overnight. That is not up for debate. That is a verifiable fact.

      Brexit was the smartest thing the people could do, because the whole of the Eurozone is tanking.

      We are not and have never been in the Eurozone.

      What do you do with 1,000,000 immigrants when you already have 9% unemployment?

      The refugees from Syria and etc aren't going to stop coming just because we've had a referendum to pass a law that will in some currently rather non-specific way change a bunch of legal arrangements with our neighbours.

      The levels of corruption in the UK today far exceed what I remember in the 80s and 90s which were at least similar to the US.

      If the government is corrupt, how does handing them even more power via Brexit make the slightest bit of sense?

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    25. Re:Brexit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, now you will lose us Norn Irish and the Scots. The ever shrinking UK will mostly just be England and Wales.

      We stay in EU. We voted to stay in EU. We will not have our communities split down the middle again on our little island. Whatever the financial hit we will have to take and try to get back later, as a united country and full EU member.

      England and Wales can do what they like. Good luck with that.

    26. Re:Brexit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not refuges from Syria. As soon as they land in Europe, they are on safe territory and should register immediately as refuges. You cannot have refuge when you are in a safe country. They don't because they're being milked by orchestrated criminal organisations that feed them the lie the UK will give them a free house, income, food, education, health, et al.

      The shit going on in Europe goes back to the early 90s. You probably weren't even born.

    27. Re:Brexit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you do with 1,000,000 immigrants when you already have 9% unemployment?

      You could try what we do in the US, which is say "you can come here, but you better find a job quick, because we aren't going to give you any handouts." It's harsh, but it does prevent the total ghetto-ization of immigrants. They need to get out and interact with the rest of society.

      You could also try to allow a little more flexibility into your labor markets to get that level of unemployment down a bit.

    28. Re:Brexit by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Impossible to debate cherry picked points effectively. When you say the Pound dropped overnight you omitted my point that Economists have been predicting it for quite a while. Just like they have been predicting the fall of the Euro due to financial problems in Germany. "Sudden" implies that nobody saw it coming so nobody could have prepared when the contrary is true. There are bad economic problems globally due to massive debt by virtually all Nations. The falling Euro and instability which the UK is tied to has much to do with the loss in value of the Pound. The UK voted themselves out, but that relationship is still alive and well and the UK will feel it's effects.

      Removing a foreign un-elected unaccountable mass of bureaucrats from the British Economic and Political system did not "add" Government to the UK. It removed the unaccountable un-elected bureaucrats.

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    29. Re:Brexit by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Impossible to debate cherry picked points effectively.

      WTF.

      No, seriously WTF.

      OK, here's a question for you. How many other times has the pound dropped so far in 12 hours?

      Removing a foreign un-elected

      More bullshit. The council of ministers is elected. The MEPs are elected.

      mass of bureaucrats from

      No system has elected civil servants. The commission are civil servants and have no power to pass laws.

      did not "add" Government to the UK

      Why did you put "add" in "scare quotes"? And what on earth are you going on about?

      It removed the unaccountable un-elected bureaucrats.

      So, we removed a bunch of democratically elected MEPs, leaving us with our unelected Lords and unelected PM. Nice!

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    30. Re:Brexit by s.petry · · Score: 1

      So what you are attempting to claim is that Nigel Farage wanting out of the Euro due to the unaccountable policy generators which refused to listen to the UK people's interests was all fluff and BS. Mr. Farage had no factual basis for his claims, and he has bullshitted the UK out of a life full of rainbows, cotton candy, and unicorns.

      I quoted "add" because that is your claim on both occasions. Quoting your word is not a scare quote, it's a factual quote. This time claiming that hoards of Lords were added because Brexit passed, when that is simply untrue. You seem to be truth averse, so no point in continuing the conversation.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    31. Re:Brexit by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What you are attempting to claim GP is attempting to claim is absolute nonsense. GP never said that.

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    32. Re:Brexit by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      So what you are attempting to claim is that Nigel Farage wanting out of the Euro due

      Jesus Christ how thick are you? I love how you are arguing on something you literally know nothing about and really can't be arsed to do a 1 second google search on.

      WE ARE NOT IN THE EURO

      WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THE EURO

      I know you're living in a post-factual age but this is just taking the piss.

      unaccountable policy generators which refused to listen to the UK people's interests was all fluff and BS

      Yeah pretty much. When it came to passing legislation, the UK statistically had disproportionate influence: we had an excellent track record of getting what we wanted passed into EU law. And the EU listened to the UK saying "we want all the privileges but want to pay even less than our already low fee" and the EU said "OK" and then the UK declared "EVEN LESS!!11" and the EU were like "nuh uh".

      Seriously dude, just because we want something doesn't mean we're going to get it or that it's reasonable to get it. Otherwise, you're now obliged to give me a unicorn because I want one.

      I quoted "add" because that is your claim on both occasions. Quoting your word is not a scare quote, it's a factual quote.

      Really? I don't recall saying that. Can you provide a link?

      This time claiming that hoards of Lords were added because Brexit passed, when that is simply untrue.

      What on earth are you talking about? Whoever said anything about adding Lords? That's what we're now left with.

      You seem to be truth averse, so no point in continuing the conversation.

      Says the guy who thinks the UK is in the Euro. Christ.

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  19. Act surprised [Re:Rules for Radicals] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    During the Republican debates, Trump admitted* to bribing just about every politician on the stage. Is a pimp better than a ho?

    If he's the answer to corruption, then what's the question?

    Almost all politicians are sleazebags. We just happen to be seeing the dirty laundry this time due to the hacking. The honest ones get steamrolled by slimers because voters are easily duped, inattentive, and forget history.

    * More like bragging

    1. Re:Act surprised [Re:Rules for Radicals] by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Is a pimp better than a ho?

      If you want to end the pimp game, it ain't gonna be hos doing it.

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  20. Re:Donald Trump is the KGB Candidate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think hitlary says it best herself:
        All the information revealed by these hacks are false and fabricated.
        And its the Russians who did the hacking to get that information.

    Why would the need to hack anything if the information was fabricated????

    Sometimes i wish Southpark was a fictional show :(

  21. Once upon a time, Wikileaks mattered... by mce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... because it revealed things that truly matter to the freedom of the people of the US and the world. And yes, even because in doing so it put some people's lives in danger for what it and its supporters consider to be a good cause. Not everyone agrees to the latter, but at least the debate about what was right and/or wrong fundamentally mattered to the citizens of this world and will continue to matter for decades to come.

    Nowadays, Wikileaks has degraded itself to being a mere tool in Assange's personal revenge vendetta against Hillary Clinton. He doesn't care about right or wrong (anymore).. All that he wants these days is to damage his personal enemy by any means possible and if achieving that implies potentially handing over the US nuclear arsenal and its economic power - and therefor the entire world - to a raging lunatic, then apparently so be it.

    Now, if these leaks there would actually reveal a substantiated serious accusation... But no...The fact that Wikileaks now thinks that it must inform the world of the galactically shocking fact that someone finds Chelsea a spoiled brat says more about Assange's character and insignificance than it says about the Clintons..He used to get media attention by doing things that mattered. It seems that he as run out of such things, but can't accept that he too doesn't matter anymore and the media therefore moved on to other hunting grounds..

    I'm no fan of Trump, but even if I were one, I would still hold the same opinion of what Assange is doing. Who wants to be president because someone considers the daughter of one's opponent to be a spoiled brat?

    1. Re:Once upon a time, Wikileaks mattered... by bongey · · Score: 1

      No Clinton and the dnc has corrupted entire media, DOJ, WH just to get to the WH.

    2. Re:Once upon a time, Wikileaks mattered... by guruevi · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So Wikileaks releases information about government officials lying and scheming to the American public. That's fine because it was a republican president.
      Now Wikileaks releases information about government officials lying and scheming to the American public. That's not fine because it Is about a democratic president(ial) hopeful.

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    3. Re:Once upon a time, Wikileaks mattered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, you support Assange and Wikileaks only as far as it works for you. Typical liberal.

    4. Re:Once upon a time, Wikileaks mattered... by mce · · Score: 1

      No. I support him when he does things that matter in the big picture. Not when he's on a personal vendetta. The spoiled brat e-mail is excellent proof that he's not anymore about government officials who lie to the public If he still would be, he'd focus his revelations on Hillary's big lies and cheats - of which I'm sure there are. Nobody - I repeat nobody - reaches this level in politics without lying about something big on the course of their career and/or election campaign..

      PS: You clearly have no clue what the word liberal means.

    5. Re:Once upon a time, Wikileaks mattered... by mce · · Score: 1

      Completely wrong. I used to be a big Reagen & Thatcher supporter. They were not exactly "democratic president(ial) hopefuls". If you can't see what is going on independent of party politics, you should not be surprised that both parties lie and cheat you.

    6. Re:Once upon a time, Wikileaks mattered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying that Assange is attacking Hillary because she corrupted the media? I would hope not (for you), because if you do you have proven my point. All politicians "corrupt" the media. Attacking only one of them because of influencing/corrupting the media is quite biased and is not in line with what Wikileaks was all about when it still truly mattered..

      Note that I left out the DOJ above.I do not have data to say whether or not she corrupted the DOJ, but it is certainly possible. If she did, Wikileaks would be entirely right to publish it. But then it should focus on that and not divert attention by bringing up stuff like the petty infighting about Chelsea.'s attitudes. Again, Assange is demonstrating that it's not anymore about his cause, but about himself.

  22. Re:Donald Trump is the KGB Candidate by CaptainLard · · Score: 1

    tie Trump to the Ruskies.

    I wonder where that idea came from? Perhaps someone who's last name rhymes with dump?

  23. Way to Correct The Record. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way to Correct The Record.

  24. Proof that this email thing started YEARS ago! by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

    CHECK THIS, THE MOST SHOCKING "JON PO" EMAIL!!!
    Proof that this email thing has been going on for years.
    Getting Down and Dirty with "John Po".

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  25. Showing his true colours by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

    I can't wait to see how his regular fan boyz are going to rationalise this.

  26. Well, there IS that little part where by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    David Brock (behind some of the progressive "fact checking" internet mouthpieces on the net) was urging the Clinton campaign to demand Bernie's medical records, the better to trash him...

    There's actually a lot of interesting stuff in there, as usual. It seems that the "good people" are all just as nasty, soul-less, and back-biting as they publicly claim their enemies are. Who'da thunk it? We're all supposed to just know and believe that the political side funded by all the Wall Street bankers and multinational mega corps who've been trashing middle America (That's Hillary) is the "good guys". We're supposed to fear the moralizing hyper-religious Bible-thumping republican candidate Trump...oh, wait...

    We've always been at war with {insert current newspeak enemy}

  27. Cry Wolf by s.petry · · Score: 0

    Of course the allegations should play out in court, but the stream of bullshit we have seen from the Media, Democratic Party, and Clinton's in general have lost all credibility. If you want to play the "guilty by allegation" routine why is Hillary not sitting in one jail and Bill not in another? Is it only guilt by allegation when it's against a Republican?

    To those who would claim Cruz or Rubio would be better off than Trump, time to fact check how the Church going Romney was treated by the media and Democratic party in the US. Anyone on the Republican ticket is vilified by all means necessary including flat out lies.

    I remember a time when we had this Constitutional right to Due Process and being Innocent until proven guilty. Bill and Hillary have both been proven to be guilty, though the latter was given a free pass and the DOJ denied the ability to prosecute. She is still subject to perjury to Congress and Obstruction of Justice charges however, and those we know she _is_ guilty of by the Director of the FBIs admission.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:Cry Wolf by cryptizard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bill and Hillary have both been proven to be guilty, though the latter was given a free pass and the DOJ denied the ability to prosecute.

      Complains about innocent until proven guilty and due process, immediately claims Clintons are guilty even though they have never been convicted. Such doublethink... frankly amazing.

    2. Re:Cry Wolf by s.petry · · Score: 1, Informative

      My request was for fair treatment, yours was claiming guilty by allegation. Not that you really care (shill much?) but for the accidental reader:

      Bill was proven guilty of both sexual assault and perjury, check the court records. He settled one case for $850,000.00. He was disbarred for misconduct, check the Bar records. Bill also faced numerous allegations which were never brought to court. By your standard, he should be in jail for all of those allegations.

      Hillary was also proven guilty by admitting she destroyed emails after receiving a subpoena from Congress which is at a minimum Obstruction of Justice. She is guilty of perjury again by looking at her own testimony where either she lied to Congress or the FBI Director did. Within the statues of the law, she is guilty of mishandling classified information. Proven by the FBI directory who for her case, and only her case, put a stipulation of mens rea on filing charges. NO other cases in the US have used intent as a stipulation for assessing guilt, NONE. Intent has not even been used in the sentencing of cases against US Military mishandling classified materials. Some of which were completely accidental (US Marine who found a paper in his laundry and turned it in only to be handed over to the courts).

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    3. Re:Cry Wolf by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      You never asked me my standard. I happen to think that you are right, the media jump to conclusions far too often and people should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. I just thought it was particularly hilarious that you had so much cognitive dissonance in literally two back to back sentences. None of your examples prove guilt because "random Slashdot commenter's opinion" is not the standard of proof we use for these situations. They were all either acquitted or never tried. Also, I don't really give a shit about Bill Clinton one way or the other, but he was not disbarred as you are claiming. He had his license suspended.

    4. Re:Cry Wolf by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hillary was also proven guilty by admitting she destroyed emails after receiving a subpoena from Congress which is at a minimum Obstruction of Justice. She is guilty of perjury again by looking at her own testimony where either she lied to Congress or the FBI Director did. Within the statues of the law, she is guilty of mishandling classified information. Proven by the FBI directory who for her case, and only her case, put a stipulation of mens rea on filing charges. NO other cases in the US have used intent as a stipulation for assessing guilt, NONE. Intent has not even been used in the sentencing of cases against US Military mishandling classified materials. Some of which were completely accidental (US Marine who found a paper in his laundry and turned it in only to be handed over to the courts).

      Can we stick to facts please...

      Hillary did not say that she destroyed email after receiving a subpoena from Congress. The guy managing her email destroyed the emails after being asked to remove personal emails months earlier but he slacked off and didn't delete them until later. The FBI found that there was no collusion. Even the Republicans in Congress couldn't find any evidence. Anything beyond that is just political grandstanding... unless you have hidden evidence to add to the discussion...

      http://www.politifact.com/trut...
      http://www.politifact.com/trut...

      As for intent, historical court cases does not back up your assertion that intent was not a requirement for a successful conviction. Here is a good article explaining the previous cases:

      http://fortune.com/2016/07/06/...

    5. Re:Cry Wolf by s.petry · · Score: 1

      No, you should really try to read it again. Claiming that Hillary is still subject to criminal punishment is not the same as claiming she should be in jail for allegations. I laid out facts demonstrating her guilt, which you have not questioned.

      The reason for my post requires reading the article linked, which claims that Trump should be jailed for an allegation. If allegations were the only measure, both Bill and Hillary should be in jail with Trump.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    6. Re:Cry Wolf by sexconker · · Score: 0

      Billy boy fucked up so bad he was impeached!

    7. Re:Cry Wolf by s.petry · · Score: 1

      I should also add that my facts are based on recorded testimony from FBI Directory Comey, Hillary Clinton, mostly responding to questions by Trey Gowdy during the Congressional hearings. Those are not allegations, but testimony given under oath. Quite different than a little boy claiming "Hillary raped me" showing up in the media.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    8. Re:Cry Wolf by s.petry · · Score: 1

      You are right, keep to facts. There were several emails referencing the acknowledgement of wrong doing. This puts the category as willful. If PersonA was beating a dog and ignored people telling her to stop should she be innocent of animal cruelty? What if that person as deaf? There is absolutely criminal conduct, but again in Hillary's case it was ignored.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    9. Re:Cry Wolf by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      Again, nobody gives a shit about your facts. You are not a federal prosecutor, or a federal judge, and are not qualified to find someone guilty. That is not how any of this works.

    10. Re:Cry Wolf by bongey · · Score: 2

      Oh God the clown doesn't realize that politifact was busted working with the dnc in the dncleaks.

    11. Re:Cry Wolf by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Wow, did you just think that up all by yourself? I am simply amazed by your intellectual prowess. (That is called sarcasm, because you appear to be slow)

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    12. Re:Cry Wolf by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      I guess we have gotten to the point where you can't defend your hypocrisy any more so you resort to name calling as a desperate attempt to hold on to your fragile world view. But sure, keep believing in your media coverups or whatever other conspiracy theory you want. Let me know when your manifesto is done and I'll make sure to give it a read.

    13. Re:Cry Wolf by nomadic · · Score: 1

      "Bill was proven guilty of both sexual assault"

      You are a liar.

    14. Re:Cry Wolf by David_Hart · · Score: 2

      Oh God the clown doesn't realize that politifact was busted working with the dnc in the dncleaks.

      Everything that I typed can be checked against multiple news sources. But instead of fact checking what was stated you would rather attack the links provided and call me a clown. Do some homework yourself and maybe we'll listen to what you have to add to the conversation. Until then you are just name calling...

    15. Re:Cry Wolf by bongey · · Score: 2

      John Podesta says Hillary Clinton "lies" often , so she is Crooked Lying Hillary.
      http://canadafreepress.com/art...

    16. Re:Cry Wolf by colin_faber · · Score: 1

      Right, not for people like you or me. But for her, you're absolutely correct. Laws for Thee not for Me.

    17. Re:Cry Wolf by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >Hillary did not say that she destroyed email after receiving a subpoena from Congress. The guy managing her email destroyed the emails

      Ah, well, as long as the destruction of evidence was by a person *working for her*, then everything is okay.

    18. Re:Cry Wolf by simonreid · · Score: 1

      Sure, thats exactly what happened, the IT guy screwed up and tried to fix it and accidently deleted something. Because you know, he was an IT guy and I am sure wasn't following the news and had no idea the implication of doing so.

      According to Politifacts timeline a subpeona was issued on March 4th. Then, around March 24th they were deleted. So, there may be no evidence that she or her team asked for them to be deleted - but they had 20 days to ask for them all to be retained and to tell him to NOT delete the emails.

      At a minimum its grossly incompetent. If a company tried to pull that in a court of law they would be screwed.. 'Oh I am sorry your honor, I forgot to tell IT to not delete all the records you ask for, and so they did it anyway'. Whether she asked or not its an example of a disregard for the law, she obviously made the decision that she would take less political heat deleting them than releasing them, if you think otherwise then you are kidding yourself.

    19. Re:Cry Wolf by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      politifact is not an unbiased source and is about as reliable as wiki. we really need to stop using them

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    20. Re:Cry Wolf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wants to stick to facts. Uses politifact as source...

      That... that is fucking hilarious.

      You can't make stupid like that up. Amazing.

    21. Re:Cry Wolf by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Clinton directed that personal emails be destroyed, which was perfectly legitimate. She is responsible for what they do on her orders, and not generally otherwise. She doesn't seem to be all that good at picking IT subordinates. Since she's not going to be picking them as President, that doesn't bother me all that much.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    22. Re:Cry Wolf by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >She doesn't seem to be all that good at picking IT subordinates

      To the contrary. Her choice in IT specialist seems to have worked out perfectly for her, since he was able to violate a document preservation order (protecting her, if the Wikileaks emails are anything to go by) and get immunity for it (protecting him). Nobody got to see the emails to see if they had any classified information before they were deleted, so there's that also.

      And she was able to blame her use of classified material on an unclassified server on her brain blood clot, and then later on deny any health problems that would disqualify her for the presidency.

      If it wasn't for the media doing everything they can short of calling Trump a molestor (oh, wait, Anderson Cooper did that during the debate), Hill-dawg would have been disqualified a long time ago.

  28. ahem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A one million dollar LOAN to get into MANHATTAN REAL ESTATE is MINISCULE.

    A million bucks would buy lots of real-estate in middle America, but for a dice-roll in Manhattan? Your DNC talking point only works on the stupid.

    Trump's dad did not die and leave an inheritance to his kids until long after Donald was quite wealthy and famous; Trump was rich and famous off his own business by 1980, but his dad (who also got rich in real estate) did not die until 1999.

    Tell me again: HOW DID HILLARY GET SO RICH?

    She was a senator for 6 years at less than 200K per year and a Sec State for four years at less than 200K per year and by her own very public pronouncements was flat broke in 2000. All the rest of her hundreds of millions of dollars comes from speaking to Wall Street bankers and tyrants behind closed doors, yet we're supposed to freak out that Trump got a loan from his dad in the 1970s?????.

    1. Re:ahem by nomadic · · Score: 1

      "A million bucks would buy lots of real-estate in middle America, but for a dice-roll in Manhattan? Your DNC talking point only works on the stupid."

      Like people stupid enough to think that Donald Trump's $1 million loan back in the 1970's would be like a million dollar loan in 2016? People stupid enough to not understand what 40 years of inflation and forever increasing real estate prices mean?

    2. Re:ahem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A one million dollar LOAN to get into MANHATTAN REAL ESTATE is MINISCULE."

      Perhaps if a million dollar loan was all he got his accomplishments might have been laudable, but it was far from the only thing he got from his dad. Many sources say that the elder Trump provided significant backing in the form of political connections and co-signing of loans. His "business skills" garnered him a whopping 5 out of 10 stars on the Forbs Self-made score for.... Inheriting a medium sized business and growing it at roughly the rate of an average stock investor.

    3. Re:ahem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take "Cattle Futures" for One Hundred Thousand, Alex!

    4. Re:ahem by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      A one million dollar LOAN to get into MANHATTAN REAL ESTATE is MINISCULE.

      Can I trouble you for a miniscule loan then?

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  29. Trump hasn't changed? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    That would be such a good argument if Trump hadn't been fat shaming women, telling people to go hunt down porn and talking about a newswoman bleeding out of her "whereever" in just the last few weeks.

    Unfortunately for your argument, Trump's behavior has made it incredibly clear that he has not changed at all, despite his protests to the contrary.

    Apropos of nothing, how does a recording made 11 years ago show that he hasn't changed?

    1. Re:Trump hasn't changed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apropos of nothing, how does a recording made 11 years ago show that he hasn't changed?

      He is the same jerk today that he was 10 years ago. I suppose you could believe that he just happens to be the same today as he was in 2005, but has been different in the meantime. But Occam's razor and all. . .

    2. Re:Trump hasn't changed? by PatientZero · · Score: 1

      You just quoted the answer to your own damn question. R u kan reed gud?

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  30. Media works for Clinton Glenn Greenwald by bongey · · Score: 3, Informative

    The media is basically taking marching orders from the Clinton Campaign.
      https://theintercept.com/2016/...

    Its going to be on this, and no none of the below are going to break it.

    The media is one of the strongest weapons in showing the world the devastating effects of corruption and shining a light on those who would use their entrusted power for personal gain. An independent and free media is a cornerstone of democracy and a crucial component of a healthy governance system.
    Clinton has corrupted this and turned it into a propaganda arm for her campaign.
    ABC,NBC, CBS,CNN, NY Times, Bloomberg,Vox, Huffington Post , People , New Yorker, Vice , Politico taking assignments from her campaign.

    This should scare the hell out of the american people if they know their history.

    Note some journalist declined her invitations , they are real journalists.

    Glenn Greenwald broke the who Snowden story open and the NSA spying on everyone.
    Glenn hates trump and hillary both but at least he is ethical.
    #mediagate

    1. Re: Media works for Clinton Glenn Greenwald by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do see the obvious bias of the media towards Clinton but, why does Nick Merrill's "memo" read like it was written by a Russian? I find that article very suspect.

    2. Re:Media works for Clinton Glenn Greenwald by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glenn Greenwald broke the who Snowden story open and the NSA spying on everyone.
      Glenn hates trump and hillary both but at least he is ethical.
      #mediagate

      Just because Greenwald played a lead role in getting Snowden's story out does not mean he doesn't have his own agenda or that he is ethical. He has said some pretty nutty things in interviews.

    3. Re:Media works for Clinton Glenn Greenwald by swb · · Score: 1

      I wonder if its explicit corruption or merely a kind of demographic and ideological alignment between Clinton and mainstream journalists. They all share a kind of contemporary liberal arts, professional background to some degree.

    4. Re:Media works for Clinton Glenn Greenwald by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The media has never been the upholder of freedom and finder of corruption some people think. Clinton hasn't corrupted it any more than lots of others in the past. I do know my history, and don't believe in the good old days when incorruptible journalists roamed the land.

      I also notice that you don't list Fox News, which I believe is the single largest news source in the US, among the Clinton propagandists. Fox is part of the media.

      You also seem to be classifying media as corrupt insofar as they favor Clinton, which is circular reasoning at its finest.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  31. Yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "These leaks will be the end of Hillary's Campaign" says increasingly irrelevant man for seventh time this year

  32. OK, I'll bite into the cynical sandwich, PROVE it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everybody who thinks the election system is rigged, here's your challenge:

    Work your butt off for, and vote for, Trump.

    If the system is rigged, as you claim, then you cannot possibly end up electing Trump,so the experiment is "safe" even for the most-progressive person.

    If the system is NOT rigged, you will have proven it by defeating the bi-partisan elitist globalists in BOTH parties who insist on Hillary.

    Put up, or shut up.

  33. Horse shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try some basic reading comprehension skills instead of listening to the media hype around a few simple words. Here is the summary very simply.

    Trump: I tried to get with her and was turned down.
    Bush's Cousin: Really?
    Trump: Yeah, I took her furniture shopping.

    So far, he understands and respects a woman's right to say no.

    Trump: Have you seen her? She has those fake tits now, and all that other stuff.

    So the incident Trump is discussing was past tense.

    They then talk about a particular type of girl. Musicians call them groupies, Hollywood usually calls them gold diggers. Trump using his manly bravado talks about how you can grab them and they like it. Remember at this time Trump was a huge celebrity so would have them where ever he went in Hollywood and that circle.

    Trump gets off the bus and behaves like a perfect gentlemen.

    Wow, wholly fuck! I am shocked and amazed that there are women who would use sex to get ahead in life and perhaps get favor from people in power! I am stunned even further that while talking about grabbing a woman, he did not. In fact Bush's cousin instructed the lady to give him a hug, Trump was not forward at all. In fact, he ensured that within the first few seconds the woman knew he was married. Ouch, stop the mental flogging, I just can't take it any more!

    To stupid people that can't read a few simple paragraphs of English, Trump confessed to molesting women. For those of us that read, we may be disappointed at the release of a chest bumping session but then again.. it's Bush's cousin who released it. No possible motive for that one right? I wonder how that tape started, and if Bush was instigating the conversation that direction. He sure does like legs..

  34. I call BS on blaming the Russians by dcavanaugh · · Score: 2

    Assuming the Russians have ALL of Hillary's emails (to be expected with her defenseless email server), why wouldn't they want her to win? How hard would it be to blackmail her into becoming Putin's puppet? If she loses the election, they squander the value of the work. If the Russians have a preference in this election, it's for a candidate who is easily controlled. Trump is utterly unpredictable, so it's hard to imagine why the Russians would work to promote him.

    If (the original) Guccifer was a FSB asset, no way would he be extradited to the US. Based on what he revealed about Hillary's server, it could have been hacked by the Geek Squad from Moscow Best Buy.

    No matter who these people turn out to be, they weren't the idiots who deployed the server, nor did they force Hillary to use it.

    Blaming the Russians is just a political ploy to set expectations low. Don't expect anyone to get caught. Problem is, blaming the Russians isn't any more plausible than blaming the Benghazi attack on a YouTube video.

  35. Jeb! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jeb!

    Jeb?

    Jeb:(

  36. Does it say he by waspleg · · Score: 0

    can't have people killed by drones like Hillary tried to do to him?

    How is it that every time this shit gets posted that part is left out?

    Even when that information is provided by links and voted +5 Insightful it still ends up at the bottom of the page.

    PS - I think both candidates are a joke. But Assange has a perfectly good reason to hate Hillary.

    1. Re:Does it say he by mce · · Score: 1

      Of course he has a good reason to hate her. But he does not seem to have the integrity to keep his personal situation out of the big picture. By doing so, he is undermining what used to be his own good cause.

    2. Re:Does it say he by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Clinton tried to kill him with drones? Why's he still alive then? Why haven't I heard of any drone attack? Are you saying Clinton's a lousy pilot or something?

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    3. Re:Does it say he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She is on leaked record of having asked "Can't we drone him?" Not one of her brightest moments...

      PS for those who blindly attacked me in this discussion, there you have it: I stand for open, honest debate, in which I will happily make an opponent's point:when it is true. My opinion on what Assange is doing is determined by what he is doing, not by whatever I might think of Hillary or The Donald.

    4. Re:Does it say he by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, leaked records. Are you sure they're accurate? Is there any context? Could this be a (possibly bad) joke, like one might make in a setting one presumes will remain private?

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    5. Re:Does it say he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course I cannot be sure that this accusation is accurate - but I know enough people who would be capable of making the alleged remark..It's just that they don't run for US president, so nobody cares. However, all that does not matter in this discussion, as I clearly took position against Assange's war with Clinton even though I'm willing to accept that he might truly be offended by her (alleged) statement..If the "drone him" accusation is false, Assange can only get into even deeper trouble in my book

      Speaking of trouble, Other indications that I read about today suggest that he might actively be in bed with the Trump campaign. If that were to be proven true, he has completely sold out his beliefs and credibility forever.

      So, again: my opinion of his actions related to the presidential election as described in my initial post is already giving him maximum credit in my book. He can only slide even further downhill.

  37. Wish I had read this by waspleg · · Score: 1

    before I posted already. You deserve +5 Informative.

  38. "produce an unaware and compliant citizenry" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That email from Bill Ivey about Trump and the nature of the electorate was pretty interesting.

  39. A more likely answer by s.petry · · Score: 1

    The Clinton's have made lots and lots of enemies here in the US. I find it much more likely that these leaks are from insiders who are pissed. You know, like the guy who is believed to have been responsible for the DNC leak who ended up shot dead in a Nothing Stolen Robbery? You think the law abiding people in the FBI like what Comey did and how it makes them look? Come now, this is much more plausible than the evil Russians who already do business with Hillary.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  40. Podesta is a registered lobbyist for Putin's bank by Nova+Express · · Score: 1

    That's something that came out in The Panama Papers.

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  41. I'm not seeing it by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    the only thing about this that could cost her supporters is if she tried to cover it up instead of acknowledging it and moving on. Bush/Cheney both did way worse than this but everytime somebody called 'em on it they just said: meh, wadda ya gonna do? Hilary's email "scandals" were caused by her poor response. She's long since learned. We saw that in the debates. Hell, we saw it in spades when they tried to bait her into blaming Colin Powel and (to her credit) she didn't bite (even when it was later revealed he did suggest the private email server).

    If nothing else she's learned from her mistakes. If it were anyone else the scandal would have long since been dropped. But there's a _lot_ of folks who don't like Hilary so it's easy to keep it going. Still, if this is the best they got then she'll sail into the Whitehouse and probably a second term...

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  42. Thank God! by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

    Fortunately, the embassy IS in London, and protected by that British Explosives Suppressing Field. No bombs can go off there, so the embassy is safe. That's why we know that the subway bombings a few years ago were faked. No explosions in London!

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  43. nice try by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Manhattan real estate has been among the most expensive in the nation for a century. A million in Manhattan even in the 70s was not like a million anywhere else. If Trump was such a nothing, then why is Manhattan not so full of people far more successful for their actions in the activities and the same places that the Trump name is just another one nobody knows? In THAT space and THAT environment, he's the best known guy and has been for 40 years.

    While we're at it: What the hell has Hillary EVER built?

    You Hillary shills are embarrassing: most of you have never done much more than troll on the web, but you happily attack a person who has succeeded wildly while actually building stuff and employing people. All these talking points from the DNC about him not paying enough taxes, or making neck ties overseas, or bloviating about women on a bus, or getting a loan from his dad are all pathetic distractions from one basic fact: Donald Trump has been an imperfect but productive human being with a track record of getting things done, on-time and on-budget, whereas Hillary has never done a productive or positive thing in her life. The woman is such a parasite that she even enriched herself on the "charitable" funds that were supposed to re-build Haiti after an earthquake.

    1. Re:nice try by nomadic · · Score: 1

      "Manhattan real estate has been among the most expensive in the nation for a century. A million in Manhattan even in the 70s was not like a million anywhere else."

      A million in Manhattan in the 70's would go VERY far. Adjusting for inflation it would be over 4 million now, and the prices were much, MUCH lower then (EVEN accounting for inflation). Additionally, Trump was made president of his father's real estate company, which was worth hundreds of million dollars then (and would be worth over a billion now).

      "The woman is such a parasite that she even enriched herself on the "charitable" funds that were supposed to re-build Haiti after an earthquake."

      Total lie. Right-wing nutjob websites made that up, and you fell for it.

    2. Re:nice try by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Oh, as for this:

      : Donald Trump has been an imperfect but productive human being with a track record of getting things done, on-time and on-budget,

      Trump is LEGENDARY for his bungled deals and failed real estate projects, as well as for screwing over business partners.

  44. Now that it's further exposing the Bernie war... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Democrats need to turn away! Don't look! Stay ignorant of all the Clinton corruption! Shut up and vote for the Wall Street Bankers via their puppet Hillary!

    Love the bits like this one where Hillary's pal Donna Braizle who was then a vice-chair of the DNC working for the DNC was getting Bernie info and forwarding it to the Clinton team via Clinton guy John Podesta. Then, of course the DNC was "cleaned up" by getting rid of Clinton gal pal Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and sliding in ..... wait for it .... Donna Brazile!! ta dah!

    It would be impossible to make this stuff up! It's just too impossibly twisted and corrupt.

  45. Today in politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most amazing thing about this political season is that Trump is a serious contender no matter what he says and now the same is true of Clinton.

    I mean, the woman should be in jail over those emails, and now they show just how two-faced she really is. And people don't care because of Trump. Amazing.

  46. George H W Bush ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be fair George H W Bush only became the youngest naval aviator during WW2 because his daddy was rich and a US Senator.

  47. It wont change anything by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    This won;t change a damn thing.
    There is already a shit ton of hardcore evidence out there about how blatantly corrupt Hillary, Bill and the Clinton Foundation is, yet It seems clear that most Hillary fans simply refuse to believe any of it no matter how undeniable it is.
    I would seriously bet that even if Hillary directly admitted that she was a devil worshiper who sacrifices babies and bathes in their blood every day, most Clinton fans would still find some way to ignore/rationalize it and would still vote for her.

    1. Re:It wont change anything by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The problem is that the Republicans have been attacking the Clintons consistently, usually with claims that are unsupported, exaggerated, or actually proven false. At this point, I'm slow to believe any Republican saying anything bad about them, because it's almost always scurrilous, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    2. Re:It wont change anything by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      I totally agree that you can't trust what any political party or the media say, especially around election times.

      That's exactly why you need to do your own research, which will quickly show that Clinton is indeed VERY corrupt.

    3. Re:It wont change anything by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What shows she's corrupt? The Russian uranium deal didn't turn out well, but it wasn't a case of her being corrupt. Her husband was doubtless able to get really big speaker fees because she was Secretary of State, but until I see indications that the people paying her husband got special State Department attention I won't count that as corruption. The Clinton Foundation appears to be an excellent charitable organization. Can you give me a few pointers?

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    4. Re:It wont change anything by JustNiz · · Score: 1
  48. The clintons are a joke family by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "as she has said, hasn't found her way and has a lack of focus in her life." "

    She's married and has a kid and she's so spoiled she sits around. It's like watching a lazy prince charles.

    You've got Bill trying to bang chicks, even with his bad heart.

    You've got HIllary with no aim in life except to get elected. And people are so enamored over the Clinton cult of personality that they say stupid stuff like "she has a lifelong commitment to helping people".

    This is a joke family of grifters,con-men and spoiled royal offspring that should make us blush that we're paying attention to them.

  49. This is damning stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's mostly digest emails from right wing blogs and Chinese food orders but keep trying to bury the Clintons, tin foil hat operatives.

  50. we're screwed both ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump or Hillary; it doesn't matter. One has tons of foreign policy experience that will just weave more of a mess; the other has none and is a big risk. Both have skeletons in their respective closets...probably both have walk-ins. Both candidates like women, whereas one grabs them the other probably caresses. Ugh, I know it's the responsible thing to do: to go out and vote, but this is like choosing between standing in front of a train and jumping out of a plane with an untested parachute. Perhaps they would be more likable I they dressed up in creepy clown costumes..er are they wearing them already.

  51. Where's all the smears from fake news sites now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What now, fake news sites with domains that had recently expired that sound newsy?

  52. huh ??? by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    Why didn't Clinton's hatred of ordinary americans make it into summary?

    2 people on HER OWN TEAM wrote about how she (you know) hates ordinary Americans?

    Oh that's right, because \. is carrying water for the DNC.

  53. Re:OK, I'll bite into the cynical sandwich, PROVE by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    If anyone thinks that bullets don't kill, here's your challenge. Load a handgun, hold it to your temple, and pull the trigger. If bullets don't kill, you can't possibly kill yourself, so the experiment is safe.

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  54. Re:Donald Trump is the KGB Candidate by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    The attacks have a Russian connection, and they're similar in several ways to other Russian state-sponsored hacks. The evidence isn't conclusive, but it's there.

    Also, there's absolutely nothing desperate about Clinton's position right now. Trump has been doing an excellent job of that. Team Clinton isn't about to perform an act of desperation when they've got the election pretty well locked up. The emails aren't all that shocking, and don't have much new in them. Why would Team Clinton do anything desperate about them?

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  55. I proved that just this morning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I slapped several bullets against my temple....did not even get a bruise.

    Your stupid argument statement had nothing to do with the previously posted argument - was not even a poor analogy. Even the most hardcore gun enthusiast believes that if a moron puts a loaded gun to his head and pulls the trigger, bad things will happen. The gun itself is not harmful. Bullets themselves are not harmful. Bullets and guns together are not harmful. PEOPLE with bad intentions are what's harmful whether they have guns, or clubs, or explosives, or knives, or matches, or automobiles, or boxcutters and planes. Grow a brain before your next post, because in your current mental state, YOU are harmful.

    1. Re: I proved that just this morning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your stupid argument falls down because Trump is more dangerous. Bullets don't kill people, President Trump kills people.

    2. Re:I proved that just this morning by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Okay. Bullets and guns aren't harmful. It takes people with bad intentions. So, if you're so sure of that, and you don't have bad intentions....

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  56. This is fake news, MSM is hiding the real ones by zedaroca · · Score: 1

    When people say that MSM is working for Clinton, this kind of "news" is what they mean.
    The best thing people have to say in favor of Clinton is that she is not Trump. Well, this release also showed that besides taking Sanders out of the Democrats race, they pushed Trump up on the Republicans race . That is news, not the internal brawls that the emails might cause.

    When they say Trump is the KGB candidate they are lying, Trump is the DNC's republican candidate.

    The release also showed that she considers the enviro groups opposing her effort to expand fracking are Russian front groups. But the media focus on the little BS to steer people away from things that matter.

  57. Typical propaganda. by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Typical cherry picking bullshit. In the recent debate Trump promised to put Clinton in jail if he won the election. Wrong, and a complete fabrication just like most of the other anti Trump rhetoric. What Trump DID say is that he would ask his Attorney General to assign a Special Prosecutor to investigate the Clintons due to the overwhelming amount of corruption that surrounds them.

    That is a LEGAL request, and follows actual procedure LAW requires. Reading full statements is not that intellectually difficult, so you are not trying. Pointing out Liberal controlled media cherry picking the same way does not make it true, it makes you look like an idiot who can't follow even a few simple sentences.

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    1. Re:Typical propaganda. by KeensMustard · · Score: 1
      You didn't read what I said properly. Firstly, Trump did say ex-judicio that he would put Clinton in jail. He started by saying he would appoint a special prosecutor, but ended by precluding the judgement of the judiciary system by declaring saying he would put her in jail:

      DT: "If I win, I'm going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation."

      HC: "It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in this country."

      DT: "Because you'd be in jail."

      Even that is secondary. At this point Trump has to target his message at centrists or democrats who are not, currently, planning to vote for him. Centrists like me. If he continues to play to the people who are already in his cheer squad, then he will lose, and lose badly. The latest prediction I've seen has Clinton with a 95% chance of winning. Yes, 95%. She's already ignoring Trump and looking at the people that will help her with her first term agenda (moderate republicans).

      And, I must say, that your tone is not correct here. I'm the audience that you need to convince to give your guy a shot. You and your other braggadacio buddies on slashdot need to dig deep and find some humility, because you are losing this election for Trump by not making a convincing argument as to why non-SWMs should vote for him.

    2. Re:Typical propaganda. by s.petry · · Score: 1

      The statement put in bold is snark, and it's painfully obvious snark to an objective viewer. Go find reality, it's honestly out here! Or don't, be a piss ant for the elites. If you choose the latter, shut the fuck up and stop trying to take others with you!

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    3. Re:Typical propaganda. by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

      The statement put in bold is snark, and it's painfully obvious snark to an objective viewer.

      So Trump couldn't keep his temper?

      And you want to convince us that he would make a good candidate for the position of commander in chief? He loses his cool and shoots his mouth off in a debate with Hillary, how is he going to go in a room with the Chinese, or negotiating with Iran? He sounds like a lightweight who can't cut it.

      be a piss ant for the elites.

      Thanks, but I respectfully decline your kind offer to become a Trump supporter. I weighed the arguments presented by his supporters, and found them lacking.

      If you choose the latter, shut the fuck up and stop trying to take others with you!

      You aren't listening.

      You don't get to tell me when I can speak and when I can't.

      You don't get to forbid people from leaving the Trump camp. You CAN, if you want, make some sort of plausible argument as to why centrists should consider voting for him. Or you can choose not too, and continue to lose.

  58. Begone, foul troll by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 1

    Infowars? Geez, why don't you cite the time cube guy?

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