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ISIS Is Using Exploding Consumer Drones To Kill Enemy Fighters (theverge.com)
According to The New York Times, the Islamic State is using small consumer drones rigged with explosions to fight Kurdish forces in Iraq. As a result, American commanders in Iraq have issued a warning to forces fighting ISIS to treat any type of small flying aircraft as potential explosive devices. The Verge reports: The small, commercially available drone was shot down in Northern Iraq and taken back to an outpost, the Times writes. But during disassembly, the drone exploded, killing the two fighters. Le Monde reports that two members of French forces were also injured by the explosion. The technique used by ISIS in the attack may have been a simple one -- ultimately only combining two widely available pieces of tech -- but videos available online have purportedly shown other recent instances of drones used as explosives, suggesting the move may be one we see more of in the future.
The Aviator or something. He was stopped by The Flash when trying to fly a remote controlled plane full of dynamite into Central City Hal.
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It seems like it would be dead simple to include as payload some kind of plastic explosives into a drone, and quickly delivery it to an otherwise unreachable target.. if a drone is moving fast and erratically enough, how could you even shoot it down? And in a city, would you even be able to try shooting it down?
You have to figure the army already has some kind of anti-drone nets they don't want to talk about yet...
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Must be delicate work.
I almost misread it as "using consumer phones" and was really impressed that they were arming the drones with Samsung Galaxy Note 7s to explode on demand.
that these drones are armed with a zip-tied Samsung Galaxy Note 7. They have a side loaded app which photo-identifies the target and then fork-bombs... /me ducks...
You sure they're not just using a Galaxy Note 7 for remote C&C?
When Ukrainian forces try to use consumer-grade drones in their fight against Russian invaders, the devices are often intercepted by Russia's sophisticated radio-electronic warfare units. They are good enough to fool even American military equipment on occasion.
Had Russia really been fighting ISIS in Syria, they would've sent the same technology (and personnel) there.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
hmmm
Next up is self driving cars full of explosives. One of the things that always fascinates me about these middle eastern terrorist organizations is that they are pretty smart about adapting to technology but, the society they want to create is not likely to ever produce any meaningful technology. It's like they've never thought about the endgame: "Ok, we've killed all the infidels. When will Allah bless my cellphone so it starts working again?"
Send that drone shooting dude from Kentucky over there. He's got the experience to do the job.
Just put Samsung batteries in the drone!
If they did a few of those exploding drones here, we would finally have a quick and definite answer to how to deal with trespassing drones.
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Robotics on the battlefield was a given once our tech started to support it.
I mean look at that show BattleBots on ABC. And these weaponized remote control 'bots' had rules about what sorts of weaponry was allowed, weight limits.
Cool show by the way.
But my question goes something like this: Does the evolution of robotics in warfare, does it lead to using robotics to kill human enemies, or does it evolve to where we start using robotic warfare in a mutual type thing and take humans completely out of it? I mean look at the US aerial drones, we've taken the human partially out of this robotic form of warfare. The pilot is in no danger of harm, and is becoming less and less needed as AI gets better to the point we going to be able to say, punch in coordinates and time and tell our drone to launch a missile at that coordinate and at that time.
I wonder how long until we get to something like A Taste of Armageddon.
So they're doing what virtually any military is doing, but on the cheap?
The Aviator or something. He was stopped by The Flash when trying to fly a remote controlled plane full of dynamite into Central City Hal.
Just as they are ready to blow it up, the drone would say to the operator: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that".
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the New York Times --your officially sanctioned regime mouthpiece-- has instructed you to discontinue your intolerable dissent against drone regulation and registration now that $CURRENT_TERROR_TARGET has begun using $CURRENT_FUN_THING to attack (freedom || liberty || children || values)
so remember, terrorism is everywhere and given that you are of course incapable of accepting even a modicum of inconvenience or risk, the state must take its rightful place as the teat from which we all collectively suckle our valium.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Governor Jerry Brown signed into California state law that bans of all drones. Senate President Kevin de León who sponsored the bill spoke in a press conference following the signing "It's absolutely critical that we protect the citizens from accidental injuries terrorist attacks. Each year drones kill and maim thousands of Americans. Today we say in unison, this is unacceptable, we will not tolerate it anymore."
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Exploding consumer drones and exploding consumer phones
the cheaper ones can't lift very much. what's the "warhead"? c4? could a few grams of c4 kill someone?
Thanks for the scoop Nyt /. - more wall building should fix that I tell you what.
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I've never owned, much less flown a drone. But I get the impression they just might be able to carry 2 lbs payload. So, say 1 lb low energy explosive (cuz they can't get C4 and such), and 1 lb bbs.
Not seeing how that can do much damage, out side of the fear factor.
Just wait and see what they do with self-driving trucks.
I've been wondering when they would start using unmanned suicide drones. Is this because they've gotten smart or they started valuing their own fighters lives over the cost of a consumer quadcopter?
Looks like they are just using regular airplane frames, this is skywalker x8 about 200 bucks. About 1/100 of a US drone probably
https://sputniknews.com/world/...
I think the first time I saw this in action was in The Dead Pool (the Dirty Harry movie, not Deadpool). It was just an RC car with explosives, but the only difference here is that the "drones" are capable of flight. I'm sure it's been done in other works of fiction as well.
It was done in real life during WW2. The drones were four engine B24 or B17 bombers packed with high explosives and crashed into high value targets. Pilots would fly the aircraft for takeoff, bail out, and the drone would be radio controlled with the help of primitive TVs from another aircraft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
and I'm pretty sure that she never did all of the things that the media is saying she did.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
COTS drones, perhaps modified, to take on attack drones or helicopters. Basically a poor man's guided missile.
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The story according to the BBC is that it was a booby trapped drone, that two Kurdish solders took it into their car and drove it to their base with the C4 and wires and timer still attached. I have to wonder if Kurds use-to dealing with IEDs would in fact do that, and if this isn't a sexed up version of a more plausible recent incident:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/three-turkish-soldiers-wounded-in-isil-drone-attack-in-syria.aspx?pageID=238&nID=104339&NewsCatID=352
"Three Turkish soldiers were slightly wounded in a drone attack by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) jihadist group on Sept. 27, on the 35th day of Euphrates Shield operation in Syria. Military sources said ISIL militants detonated a bomb-laden mini drone in the Wukuf region targeting Turkish soldiers. Three were slightly wounded in the attack and transferred to the border province of Kilis for treatment."
... but the society they want to create is not likely to ever produce any meaningful technology ...
Except in the fields of math, medicine and science ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Note that numerous fundamentalists (and terrorists too) are fully educated and qualified scientists and engineers. Not all of them have read one and only one book. Don't confuse the leadership class and the cannon fodder class.
We have read about drones being taken out by shotguns but they have a lot less spread than you think, and the more the spread the quicker they lose effect.
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Shotgun.
Never fired a shotgon at a fast moving target (or at all?) have you. You certainly don't understand much about the correlation between range and shot spread anyway....
Afraid of disturbing the peace in Aleppo?
You aren't really understanding where most of the upcoming attacks will take place.
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I thought they were using captured Samsung phones and mounting them on RPG's and building roadside bombs out of the ExPlOdInG PhOnEs. Rumor has it Kim Jong Un wants to mount Samsung phones on their long range rockets. BOOM! Exploding like only a Samsung phone can explode!
I'm just waiting for someone to make flying bird drones and then launch them against the whitehouse. If you make a flock of them, they could do some serious damage, or take out the helilcopter. I don't see a good way we could defend against such an attack.
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Fire ships were used in the Athenian Sicilian Expedition, and otherwise through ancient times and the age of sail:
The rest [of the Athenian force] the enemy tried to burn by means of an old merchantman which they filled with faggots and pine-wood, set on fire and let drift down the wind which blew full on the Athenians. The Athenians, however, alarmed for their ships, contrived means for stopping it and putting it out, and checking the flames and the nearer approach of the merchantman, thus escaped the danger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_ship
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So, they figured out how to tape a grenade to a quadracopter?
(1) Colonization/living on other planets
(2) Uploading brains from bodies to computers
(3) War with robots implying no human deaths
(4) Technology giving the masses a life of leisure
Re: #3 -- People don't submit to perceived tyranny because their material stuff got destroyed; rather, the opposite.
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
The drone was shot at, the LiPo battery was damaged, and it exploded later. The LiPo batteries shall no be damaged, and if it still happened the LiPo should be disposed of correctly.
I Bet you anything that these drones are made from recycled Note 7s.
...why this wasn't more widely used, specially by the US. It's the logical development from the "big drone bomb". A swarm of small drones with cameras and explosives locate the enemy, approach it, stick to it, and explode. You don't need a big charge for that, as you are sticking to the enemy. The enemy can blow up a couple of the drones, but you have tens in each operation. No civilian casualties, no risk to your own troops. You force the enemy to get out of sight where it cannot maneuver. You make thousands of the things and they go always ahead of the troops, to minimize risk. It seems such a no-brainer that the only thing I can think of, is that the developed armies are waiting to have good counter-measures for them before deploying it.
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to what you merkins teach them.
samsung note s7's then?
They should rig it with explosives instead, I bet they would have a much better outcome.
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I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
I'm not sure "booby trapping a drone so it blows up if captured" is precisely the same as "attacking" someone with said drone?
-Styopa
As for the current Saudi Arabia, they tolerate knowledge of some things but are still creationists, DAESH is more extreme than them, they might change after taking power but it would be a change. Even if they water themselves down they can't tolerate knowledge that contradicts their holy book so at some point that would hit a roadblock, and that is likely to be before they get to quantum physics which is required to make modern computer chips and they might miss those! The communists are different, totalitarianism dose not require anti-technology sentiment, the two are separate. In the end it was the Arabic speaking world's predecessors decent into anti-technology ant-knowledge ideologies that has lead to the current situations. What would it would have been like if their enlightened era had lasted even a few more years, enough to get more of the books and the scholars into Europe as it went through its Enlightenment at least, or even hadn't happened?
Yep, arm everyone over the age of 5 with a shotgun, and tell them if they see anything in the sky, to shoot at it as many times as they can and then duck and cover.
Followed by the accidental shooting death of 1 million americans when the 7 year olds are playing with their gun.
If ONLY the US were fighting ISIS and not ASSISTING them.
ISIS is a proxy force for regime change.
Hillary used it in Libya to overthrow their government - where 'coallition' forces directly supported them, and it is now operating in Syria after the 'rebellion' fomented by the US failed, and after framing Syria for chemical weapons failed. It's plan C.
Claymores (at least in real life) ARE directional and their frag pattern requires aiming to work. The frags are also usually metal, and thus quite heavy.
My guess is the drones are only carrying HE which, density wise, is much lighter but requires the drone to be much closer to the target to have effect. "Closer" requires aim (or flight control in this case), particularly if you're hitting something behind cover. I'm with shotgun guy--even damaging a quadcopter will make it neigh impossible for it to make it close enough to do significant damage and those things are full of lightweight light duty moving parts.
A winged drone may take a little more damage, but if it's foam it'll still break with birdshot.
US Forces have a semiauto shotgun attachment (M26) that can be fitted to an M4 in place of the M203. It was commonly used for firing breaching rounds at doors in Iraq. The birdshot wouldn't be standard issue, but is available in plenty on the commercial market in the US.
One of the older GTA games also did this, and I believe it involved toy helicopters (aka "drones" by today's media)
I believe we already have the answer.
I now have a right to shoot down a drone on my property, simply because it could be a domestic terrorist attack.
QED
I read "fighters" as "combat aircraft" so it took me until most of the way through the summary to realize that they weren't downing F-16s with consumer-grade drones. That would've been much more impressive.
How about "combatants" instead of "fighters", guys.
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...Until they figure out how to attach a set of rotors to a Galaxy Note 7!
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The average consumer hardware is most likely not tempest hardened, and would be susceptible to any number of frequency jamming technologies targeted at the consumer frequency bands that the military has access to. Ideally, if the explosives are triggered by signal, find out what the signal is, and keep broadcasting it so that they explode early, preferably as soon as the device is enabled.