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Transcripts of Clinton's Wall Street Talks Released in New Wikileaks Dump (reuters.com)

Emily Stephenson and Luciana Lopez, reporting for Reuters: U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's full remarks to several Wall Street audiences appeared to become public on Saturday when the controversial transparency group Wikileaks dumped its latest batch of hacked emails. The documents showed comments by Clinton during question-and-answer sessions with Goldman Sachs Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein and Tim O'Neill, the bank's head of investment management, at three separate events in 2013 in Arizona, New York and South Carolina. Some excerpts of Clinton's speeches had already been released. For more than a week, Wikileaks has published in stages what it says are hacked emails from the account of John Podesta, Clinton's campaign chairman. Clinton came under fire for months for not releasing full details of her paid speeches to big business audiences, as opponents accused her of a cozy relationship with bankers and other members of the U.S. financial system.

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  1. Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Quick, blame the Russians somehow!

    1. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or... we have a modern reboot of The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Coming! to say "see, they aren't all that bad"

      Emergency! Everybody to get from street!

    2. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Meh, its all over, Trump is a dead duck, all thats left to come is the butt hurt of his incredibly stupid supporters.
      Happy days.

    3. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by XXongo · · Score: 1

      Well, of course it probably was Russian hackers. Whether they were actually sponsored by the Russian government, or were freelance Russians who just used tools originally built by the Russian intelligence agency, is another question. The evidence is pretty good. They're not just hacking the DNC, by the way; they're aiming at anything to do with our election they can find.

      But the question is: so? With respect to the leask, well, no matter who did them, the leaks are still the leaks.

      Wired: https://www.wired.com/2016/07/...
      NBC: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us...

    4. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "evidence" is that the hack took place during business hours in a Russian time zone. Which also means it took place in the evening hours on the US East coast..

      Yeah, real compelling "evidence".

    5. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An IP address based in Russia means exactly zero.

      If you think the 'evidence is pretty good' you don't know how the internet works.

    6. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by sjames · · Score: 1

      There are some worrying aspects to the hacking, but at the same time, I'm wondering if the biggest issue is that Hallmark doesn't really have a good thank you card for this situation.

    7. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As a Canadian, I'm sweating a lot because of what will happen here if *EITHER* wins.

      If Clinton wins, Russia has as much as said that they expect that negotiations will break down to the point there could be nuclear war.

      If Trump wins, the USA will likely pull out of NAFTA (the likelihood of it being renegotiated to be more advantageous to the USA than it currently is is laughable as I know that Canada feels that the USA already has the better end of the deal with NAFTA anyways). With the USA out of NAFTA, being situated geographically between the only two other nations that would remain in NAFTA, the free trade agreement ceases to mean anything. Dissolving NAFTA will be disastrous for trade between Canada and the US, and as they are each other's primary trading partner, we can probably both look forward to a recession that could take decades to recover from.

      There are other possible consequences to the USA dissolving NAFTA that I'm concerned about... the chief one of which is that having ceased what is essentially the only trade agreement that has existed between the two nations for the past 2 decades, that it will be a precursor to what is essentially war between the two countries if the US decides that they want to simply take Canada's resources for free as the price of goods that they import from us otherwise goes up. While I don't think that this will happen right away, I do fear that as a long-term consequence for both of us.

      I dread what is going to happen this November... unless the USA gets some sense and elects an independent.

    8. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You've got some old pals on the other side of the Atlantic who are going to be needing some friends real soon.

      We promise not to do the "eh" jokes. Well, only a bit.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    9. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Right. The US intelligence services are so dumb as to base decisions entirely on what time zone an attack took place. Got it. I love how they're considered both omniscient and omnipotent with their fingers in every last system, and yet utter morons at the same time.

      Concerning "the leaks are still the leaks": the overwhelming majority of people, 99.999%, are not actually reading "the leaks". They're reading random excerpts selected out of massive volumes of text designed to try to make Clinton look bad. Virtually nobody is reading context or anything else that was said. IMHO, they're very interesting geopolitical discussions, if you're at all wonkish.

      Note that even in these full versions, the leakers carefully "highlighted" the gotchas to make sure you don't miss them. And it's also funny what they decided would be a gotcha and what wouldn't. For example, they highlighted the section where she discussed being forced to go on a "Clinton Apology Tour" due to the Manning leaks, from one leader to the next who had been characterized by any embassy in less than flattering terms - even though these people actually were as corrupt and whatnot as the embassy memos described. But they didn't see fit to highlight her joke about giving a red state to China right before that:

      (Context: negotiations with China over the South China Sea)

      SECRETARY CLINTON: "... I think that -- you know, one of the greatest arguments that I had on a continuing basis was with my Chinese counterparts about their claim. And I made the point at one point in the argument that, you know, you can call it whatever you want to call it. You don't have a claim to all of it. I said, by that argument, you know, the United States should claim all of the Pacific. We liberated it, we defended it. We have as much claim to all of the Pacific. And we could call it the American Sea, and it could go from the West Coast of California all the way to the Philippines. And, you know, my counterpart sat up very straight and goes, well, you can't do that. And I said, well, we have as much right to claim that as you do. I mean, you claim it based on pottery shards from, you know, some fishing vessel that ran aground in an atoll somewhere. You know, we had conveys of military strength. We discovered Japan for Heaven sakes. I mean, we did all of these things.

      MR. BLANKFEIN: These are more technical conversations than I thought they would be.

      (Laughter.)

      SECRETARY CLINTON: Yes, yes. And then he says to me, well, you know, we'll claim Hawaii. And I said, yeah, but we have proof we bought it. Do you have proof you brought any of these places you're claiming? So we got into the nitty-gritty of --

      MR. BLANKFEIN: But they have to take New Jersey.

      (Laughter.)

      SECRETARY CLINTON: No, no, no. We're going to give them a red state.

      (Laughter and applause.)

      (That said, she does however have a number of good things to say about most of her Republican colleagues - she only seems to have a trouble with the Tea Party and the sort of candidates they push / pressure they put on moderate candidates to tag to their line, and goes into a number of times where the pressure they've put on their congressmen had a negative impact on US relationships with other countries)

      In general, though, while yes there are political angles in there that one can take, most of it is purely policy talk, in a great level of depth. Very much worth a read.

      --
      The internet is not a series of tubes. It's more like a net. Or a network of computers. Or an internet.
    10. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Is that because Putin is one of the best world leaders? At least Trump claims he is.

    11. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sweating at all, most amused by the butt hurt of the sTrumpets, who apparently cant read the polls. Trump is deader than purple flares.

    12. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Clinton wins, Russia has as much as said that they expect that negotiations will break down to the point there could be nuclear war.

      Yah. And North Korea doesn't like Clinton either. Gee, I hope that the US will elect Trump and appease both North Korea and Russia.

    13. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      You're going to be very depressed come November 28th.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    14. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      For fuck's sake, there isn't going to be a nuclear war. Jesus fucking Christ, what the hell is wrong with people. Do you think Putin is suicidal? Yes, he could heavily damage the US, maybe even mortally, but the US's arsenal could turn much of Russia's populated areas to irradiated cinders in return.

      If there wasn't going to be a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis, when tensions between Russia and the West were probably at their most dire, why is it you imagine there would be one now, when about the only real conflict zone is Syria?

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    15. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course she has trouble with the Tea Party. Anything that might limit her power is anathema to her and the tea party is all about lower taxes and smaller government.

    16. Re:Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's clear Putin wants you lot to elect Trump, since that would effectively be a decapitation strike. Only question now is, are you actually stupid enough to do it.

    17. Re: Quick, blame the Russians somehow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course that's the evidence. And, of course, the NSA laid it all out for you in a 'special' briefing held just for you. Naturally you will not be able to give out anymore information about that meeting beyond that it took place in a locale that is largely devoid of anything and is rarely visited, i.e. your mind.

  2. Too Late by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The should have released this stuff when she was running against Bernie. This isn't going to change any minds now. Everyone knows now what she is and they're voting for her because of Trump or voting for Trump because of her. The stage was set weeks ago and the only thing that would change it now is absolute proof she killed someone. That's probably worth 5 or 6 points in the polls.

    1. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's likely Wikileaks didn't have the documents when she was running against Bernie. Even then, it wouldn't have mattered: the DNC already rigged the primaries, and even if Bernie had the votes, they still had the super-delegates to hand her the nomination no matter what the people did.

      Still, there's some evidence that she's slipping in the polls and that people will forgive Trump for daring to say "p***y" off the record. There's still another three weeks, and I think by then people will realize that no matter how outraged they are at Trump saying a "bad word" the dangers of allowing a psychotic woman to go to war with Russia far outweigh whatever you might not like about Trump.

      Although I'm unsure that her murdering someone on TV would really dissuade some of her more ardent supporters. Don't forget that her failure to secure our embassies overseas directly read to the deaths of four Americans, yet for whatever reason half the nation doesn't care. It's somewhat more understandable (but no less deplorable) that half the nation doesn't care about all the foreign deaths her failures as Secretary of State have directly lead to. And I'm of course ignoring the trail of suspicious deaths that can be tied to her.

    2. Re:Too Late by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The should have released this stuff when she was running against Bernie.

      Everybody knew (and still knows) she's in bed with Wall Street. That was probably the main issue that let Bernie get to the populist/left side of her.

      She changed her tune to neutralize that advantage, but no one seriously believes she's going to get tough on Wall Street.

      This is more non-scandal in search of a headline. But everyone should have forseen that as soon as they saw "Wikileaks".

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    3. Re:Too Late by ArtemaOne · · Score: 0

      I just hope it sends more people to third party. I know Gary Johnson isn't likely to win, but if he gets close to 10% of the vote it'll change the entire scope of all future elections. If he managed to take an entire state, like New Mexico (where he was governor for 8 years) it would scare the hell out of the big parties. I do otherwise agree with your points. Bernie got so screwed over, as has the USA.

    4. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stop skewing the conversation. Nobody's upset over a word. It's the perpetuated and pervasive sentiment that women are only worth as much as their physical appearance, and that their bodies belong to men. Or do you feel the same way about your daughter as he feels about his own (which is creepily obsessed)? Twisting the argument to discredit/downplay it is morally bankrupt.

    5. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...absolute proof she killed someone.

      Only if she bragged about it. Then I might vote for her.

      There'd be something she accepted accountability for.

    6. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      "...and that their bodies belong to men."

      So, when he said "they let you do it" there's actually no "they let you" in that sentence?

    7. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Let's remember something here:

      1) These documents were almost certainly leaked by someone inside the DNC. (Quite possibly the murder victim... but that part is pure conjecture as no evidence has been found).
      2) There is literally zero evidence that "Russians" were involved. This is clear political misdirection being used to deflect attention from the contents of the leaks. (ie: That the primary was rigged against Bernie, etc.)
      3) It's likely that the leaker leaked these documents *because* he or she knew that Bernie was being treated unfairly, but...
      4) ...WIkiLeaks doesn't just release whatever they get, the day they get it. They do due diligence which can take months.

    8. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

    9. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now we risk nuclear war with Russia so the political establishment can engage in an international Ad Hominem campaign for Hillary's benefit.

      Shoot the messenger... with nukes.

    10. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember that time you got stuffed in a locker at school, but you didn't report the culprit? Why did you let him do that?

    11. Re:Too Late by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

      That's probably worth 5 or 6 points in the polls.

      You know, I'm beginning to think that is no longer true in this election.

      It should be worth 5 or 6 points - in our Norman Rockwell fantasy of American voters with a grip on reality, truth, ethics, and morality,

      Unfortunately, this election is political sumo wrestling porn.

      It's practically a fetish and an addictive vice that gets off on how much they can humiliate and be humiliated by our own countrymen, albeit political rivals. The winner is the biggest loser that defeats the opponent in a popularity contest for ugly turds. Who is the biggest loser and who wins at being a loser. Either way, America gets what they want most - being right, being number one, and being full of number two, which is just plain wrong.

      Perhaps the red team and the blue team will agree that its better not to step in shit.

      If you do, its best to move on and stop being in denial.

      Lets stop arguing over whats stinks, and lets stop taste testing the crap on our shoes and swearing it smells like a rainbows in springtime and tastes yummy.

      Nobody wins unless we stop eating shit and pretending we like it just because we're too insecure to admit failure or fault to our political adversaries.

      Time to grow up America.

    12. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because one of them was a billionaire I repeatedly contacted after the incident to try to further my personal and financial interests.

    13. Re:Too Late by Gussington · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just hope it sends more people to third party. I know Gary Johnson isn't likely to win, but if he gets close to 10% of the vote it'll change the entire scope of all future elections.

      Is he any better? I'm not American but the choices all seem pretty bad. Hillary the classic corrupt politician, Trump the disgraceful misogynist, racist, corrupt 1%er bully, or the loony minorities who aren't even aware of other countries outside their own borders.

    14. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Do you live so far under a rock that you don't know how power dynamics work? I am confident that Trump ignores when women don't "let him", making it seem in his mind that they intentionally "let him". You are applying (terrible) rationality onto a largely irrational person.

    15. Re:Too Late by quantaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      people will forgive Trump for daring to say "p***y" off the record. There's still another three weeks, and I think by then people will realize that no matter how outraged they are at Trump saying a "bad word"

      No one gave a shit that Trump said pussy.

      People cared that Trump bragged about being able to grab women's pussy without consent, aka sexual assault.

      And then a bunch of came forward to say that for once Trump was telling the truth, and his habit of sexually assaulting women was very real.

      Of course if they ever do get bored they can start talking about how he's telling his followers that they have to watch out or minorities are going to steal the election. I'm actually wondering at this point, is he deliberately trying to cause election day violence?

      --
      I stole this Sig
    16. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are confident of that purely by virtue of wanting to think that. If in fact he did this unambiguously without indication of consent, he'd be in prison or some lady's lawyer friend would have split a few million dollars with her a long time ago.

      At worst, consent is ambiguous in the circumstances he's talking about. He doesn't say they let him do it because he has power, he says they let him because he's a "star". That is, that they are themselves "interested".

      Since it's his hypothetical you are trying to disprove as him meaning what he said, you'll really have to state how you think any form of "first move" happens that is -unambiguously- consensual, in the real world, for anyone.

    17. Re:Too Late by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1, Informative

      He's far from perfect, but the other two have so many negatives I wish they would get absolutely no votes. I actually kind of like Johnson, jokes aside. I disagree with far fewer of his REAL positions (I reject campaign promise positions). You can track Clinton's real positions through her voting record, previous statements, and how they all shifted as she made a carbon copy of the Sanders campaign in order to grab the Progressive vote, despite her own position being a Neo Conservative. Trump is just unbelievable, unreal, no. Both of them way no. I'd take Jill Stein and her wackiness over either of them.

    18. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. She said what she needed to say. Yet, she'll still fast track TPTISA, leading to BRICS moving away from the US dollar in 2019.

      A Sanders presidency is beyond the Stein's limit of this cluster of worldlines. It becomes more apparent that N-day is a Stein's "gate."

    19. Re:Too Late by StevenMaurer · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone thing whaargarbl from certifiable kooks, and/or people selling bullshit to them, change minds? The only people who believe this stuff is their target audience?

      p.s. I'm sure if you look hard enough, you can find someone accusing her of chemtrails, faking the moon landing, and having shipped Obama as a baby in from Kenya too.

    20. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If in fact he did this unambiguously without indication of consent, he'd be in prison

      Hm. You really do live under a rock. While it would be nice to live in the same utopia as you do, where all such conduct is reported, investigated, and brought to suit (and not taken care of by a settlement), that's not how real life works. You know why many women are coming out and making accusations all at once? Because they finally feel they can, and be taken seriously. It's the same thing with Cosby. The US doesn't have a real great record with taking women seriously about rape, much less against famous people.

      And yes, there may very well be some people who make false allegations as a hail mary for settlement money, but that doesn't discredit everyone else involved. I believe those making false statements should be given an equally-harsh sentence as someone who is convicted of the crime in question. But that's what our judicial process is for, to uncover these stories as best it can.

      , you'll really have to state how you think any form of "first move" happens that is -unambiguously- consensual

      Maybe I don't have all the answers, but "grabbing them by the pussy" is definitely not in this list. Neither is "I just start kissing them, I can't help it".

      If you think this is acceptable behavior, seek help. Stop making excuses, there are none.

    21. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From an outside position (I'm dutch) it's really amazing that there are people (like you) who believe Clinton is a psychotic woman while Trump is the stable one. Clinton has been a politician for ages and has never shown any psychotic tendencies. It is not as if she just emerged from some backwater as a complete unknown. Everybody knows who she is: A competent, if somewhat corrupt(*), politician. Trumps is not unknown either, everybody knows what he is: A ruthless businessmen of the kind who will screw everybody over if it will give him personal gain. And certainly not very stable. If I would have to guess which of these two would cause a war my guess would be the guy who does his best to shit-talk everybody.

      (*) I even don't think she is much more corrupt than most other politicians. Certainly not more than Trump.

    22. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the thing:

      Let's assume you've characterized Trump correctly (I don't believe you have, but let's go with that).

      What's a greater threat to the nation and global security:

      1) A guy who's a pig with women?
      2) A woman who takes money from Wall Street mega banks under the table, ran a secret mailserver and illegally deleted its contents when under subpoena, accepts donations from dangerous foreign governments and political entities, misrepresents her motives to voters and who has made hundreds of millions from selling influence?

      The misogynist thing is a smoke-screen. It's a character attack that appeals to the stupidest part of politically-correct America as a diversion from what actually matters: Massive, unbridled corruption, corporatism and pandering to the elite.

    23. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why bother? You've already efficiently declared him guilty on the judicial system's behalf.

      No he didn't. If anything he's declaring that those women deserve their day in court. Your arguing the point makes it kinda seem like you want to deny them that right.

    24. Re:Too Late by blind+biker · · Score: 0

      people will forgive Trump for daring to say "p***y" off the record. There's still another three weeks, and I think by then people will realize that no matter how outraged they are at Trump saying a "bad word"

      No one gave a shit that Trump said pussy.

      People cared that Trump bragged about being able to grab women's pussy without consent, aka sexual assault.

      Nope, with consent. His point was that women would let a famous person do that.

      --
      "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    25. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That logic should be correct logic. And your'e right on many levels.
      The problem with American politics is that the old paradigm of Left vs. Right is over. It's yesterday's political landscape.
      The reality is that America has essentially drifted into the territory of Soviet/Chinese style one-party rule.
      The new divisions on the political landscape are "Insider" vs. "Outsider".
      Trump is truly an awful candidate. He's a hothead. He's a pig. He's really not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
      But... he's an outsider. At least in relative terms.
      Hillary is corrupt. Period. There's really no other word to describe her. She's on the hook to Wall Street, foreign governments, major corporations, wealthy foreign donors, etc.
      In the final analysis, the real danger to America doesn't come from a stupid rich kid from New York who has a big ego and like slapping women on the ass like he's Hugh Hefner. It comes from a categorically corrupt insider who is willing to sell out the American people for her own political (and personal) advantage.

      So yeah, you're right. Trump is a disaster. And he's the best choice America has. That right there is how messed up American politics is. Americans aren't stupid. (Well.. many are). But even the stupid ones know that something is deeply wrong with the political system.

      And when you see the Bush family and the rest of the right wing oligarchy getting behind Clinton, that should not be ignored. Americans have had enough. They've watched wealth disparity soar under both Republican AND Democratic leaderships. And that is absolutely guaranteed to continue under a Clinton presidency.

    26. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah, the challenges of citing who said what in a thread consisting of AC posts...

      I absolutely think the women should have their day in court, and if found guilty, Trump should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

      However, we have in this thread (apart from who said it initially) the direct statement that Trump has both advocated and committed sexual assault, as if an established fact.

      So far, we have a hypothetical "bragging" statement which, contrary to the claims, neither describes (with clarity) a case of sexual assault, nor provides evidence the story ever occurred.

      The only way one can draw this conclusion is to take the position that all "first moves" without (presumably written) unambiguous consent, are sexual assault. That's not what the term means, and if it did, the majority of everyone who ever had any kind of sexual encounter would also be guilty of sexual assault.

      This isn't reality. This is psychologizing the opponent to simply redeclare what he said and meant to be something else, which better serves your objectives--along with a healthy dose of psychic powers as to the hypothetical situation and her hypothetical interest or lack thereof at the time.

      It's like hearing a story about a bar fight, where both people walked away with minor injuries. Not the impression you want to leave, so just go ahead and say one guy murdered the other. Is that the accurate term based on what happened? Is there proof that it happened? No, of course not. It didn't happen at all. It just sounds worse to say "murdered", so you say "murdered". Simple politics.

    27. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 2 complained before the election, and only 1 has file a lawsuit claiming rape, and that was during the Primaries when he was upsetting the Republican establishment candidates.

      There is no proof and he's innocent until proven guilty.

      The woman in the purple dress he did something to in the bus recording (when the guys all say 'Whoa Yes Whoa" like he'd lifted her skirt and copped a feel, and Billy Bush says "Yes, Yes the Donald's has scored" ), why isn't she filing a lawsuit against him if she didn't want it?

      He's a victim of abuse by the media here.

    28. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As we're finding out - such consent only really exists in HIS own mind - which is the problem...

    29. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But honestly who cares?

      I certainly don't care if Frump is a dog to women in his personal life. I do care if he's taking bribe money from big banks, big Pharma, mega corporations and foreign governments. These two things are not remotely equal. Enough with the PC/SJW crap that elevates attitudes to women to the same level as political corruption!

    30. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People cared that Trump bragged about being able to grab women's pussy without consent, aka sexual assault.

      He said, "and they let me do it" which implies they gave consent.

    31. Re:Too Late by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1, Informative

      Too bad you can't just turn off her mic, eh.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    32. Re: Too Late by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But honestly who cares?

      I certainly don't care if Frump is a dog to women in his personal life...

      Your mom.

      Your sister.

      Your girlf--oh, silly me.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    33. Re:Too Late by bigfinger76 · · Score: 0

      He has zero chance of winning, which makes his being better or worse irrelevant. The main point of voting 3rd party in this election is to send a message to the two major parties. Symbolic, but many voters strongly dislike the major party candidates.

    34. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which time? And which one of the culprits?

    35. Re:Too Late by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      He said, "and they let me do it" which implies they gave consent.

      It implies only that they didn't (successfully) resist. Not the same thing at all.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    36. Re:Too Late by guises · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I don't get this scandal for this reason. His remark sounded more like commentary on our appalling culture of celebrity worship than it did any kind of non-consensual sexual contact. Not that I'm suggesting he intended it as social commentary, I'm sure he intended it to be a brag (because he's a scuzzbag) but none the less: I didn't see any implication of assault when I watched that video.

    37. Re:Too Late by Gussington · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You can track Clinton's real positions through her voting record, previous statements, and how they all shifted as she made a carbon copy of the Sanders campaign in order to grab the Progressive vote, despite her own position being a Neo Conservative. Trump is just unbelievable, unreal, no. Both of them way no. .

      If you compare Trump on Clinton's positions on Political Compass, Clinton is similar to Thatcher (ie hard right), and Trump is similar to Hitler (right, extreme authoritarian).
      So the Hitler comparison are quite valid.

    38. Re:Too Late by Gussington · · Score: 0

      Agree 100%.

    39. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although I'm unsure that her murdering someone on TV would really dissuade some of her more ardent supporters.

      If Hillary Clinton were to murder a nun on live television, before the body was even cold CNN would have panel of "experts" on to discuss how bold, decisive and Presidential she looked while doing it. (followed up with a bombshell story about how 27 years ago, That Monster Donald Trump said the F-Word in front of another human being.)

    40. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Consent is obtained before the act, not after.

      Letting him just means that they wouldn't file criminal charges after he groped them.

    41. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bullshit. clinton has the blood of tens of thousands at her hands. syria war for starters.

    42. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now Trump is claiming that a number of women who said he did what he himself claimed to do on tape are lying. That ought to give pause to the people who support Trump because they think he's a "straight talker."

    43. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure, lets godwin the candidate who threatens the current corruption.

    44. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bullshit. clinton has the blood of tens of thousands at her hands. syria war for starters.

      quack, quack, quack, quack, quack. doubleplusgood duckspeak, comrade!

    45. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      she bragged and deviously laughed about her killing ghadaffi. see youtube.

      she is the driving force behind the death and misery in syria.

    46. Re:Too Late by tburkhol · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So, when he said "they let you do it" there's actually no "they let you" in that sentence?

      The quote is "When you're a star, they let you." Like you "let" your boss call you an idiot. "When you're a star," you can use your fame and money to abuse people, because they know they can't fight back. "When you're a star," people will let you do things that they would never consent to.

    47. Re: Too Late by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Men that treat women like shit are well known for their lack of success with them /s

    48. Re:Too Late by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Wikileaks is useless.
      Hillary has made her reputation with bipartisanship reach out. With that type of work you can't just go and blast your opponent all the time. You need to find common ground and work with them. We are all stuck on wall street is evil or the government is evil. While the truth is everyone is working for their own self interests if they have the money or power they will push it. A good politician knows that and will work with everyone to show that their self interests is considered and perhaps her plan isn't that drastic.
      We want to see our political opponents loose and learn that it was their stupidity and they were wrong and you were right. That isn't prodtive because people don't like to loose and will fight back harder next time. To really get the important parts of your agenda you need to compromise on some of the smaller details that may be a big deal for your opponents.

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    49. Re:Too Late by zifn4b · · Score: 0

      He said, "and they let me do it" which implies they gave consent.

      It implies only that they didn't (successfully) resist. Not the same thing at all.

      This information coming out years after these events occurred coinciding within less than a month of the alleged offender possibly being elected POTUS and without ever having considered filing a police report for the events that occurred in the allegations. What does that imply?

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    50. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      My wife doesn't really care about that. She thinks it is a bit patronising that she has to think historical sexual abuse allegations should outweigh corporatism, deceit and corruption. She says going forwards, any woman could just be careful around him and not hesitate to report any unwanted Trump attention, but that Hillary striking dodgy deals and war mongering etc will have potentially larger and more significant effects.

      Above where I said "a bit" those aren't the words my wife uses. Incidentally Trump has offended her - with his comments along the lines of women should be paid the same as men, provided they do the same work. I thought equal pay for equal work was a feminist goal, so I really didn't see it as sexist. I think she said it is sexist beccause it implies women don't do the same work as men or something. Yeah I forgot.

      Incidentally she doesn't want to post anything even moderately pro-Trump or pointing out media bias against him - I told her to stop being a pussy or Donald might grab her.

    51. Re:Too Late by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      . I know Gary Johnson isn't likely to win, but if he gets close to 10% of the vote it'll change the entire scope of all future elections.

      I remember when I was young and naive too. I voted for Ross Perot in 1992. Not so much because I thought he was the Messiah, but I felt he was the best choice at the time, and I thought it would change the scope of future electons as well. He won 19% of the vote. How well has that worked out? Why would Johnson winning half that make any difference?

    52. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF is this shitposting for?

    53. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It implies only that they didn't (successfully) resist. Not the same thing at all.

      That's one interpretation. If Trump Jr said, "I asked daddy if I could take the jet to Bermuda, and he let me do it" it doesn't mean he forced Trump to give him the jet. It means he's a spoiled brat who always gets what he wants.

    54. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the Polls are rigged, even the wiki leak emails say that. Its to get you to believe the Rigging is legitimate, like with Bernie. Of course Soros owning 16 states worth of election machines doesn't matter, including what shot McCain 15 points up from behind to win over night in this last round.

      Wake from the Fluoride Lobotomy folks, its time to put on your big boy pants and make a difference.

    55. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From an outside position (I'm dutch too) it's really amazing that there are people (like you) who don't believe both Clinton and Trump are psychotic.

    56. Re:Too Late by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Clinton has been a politician for ages and has never shown any psychotic tendencies.

      The premise of this statement shows the inverse of its conclusion.

      But on a serious note Clinton is a career politician. Trump is a little boy. Both have a different flavour of psychosis they display. One dangerous politics like Freddie trying to kill people, the other just your random batshit flavour sitting in a mental ward slowly knocking their head against a soft wall.

    57. Re:Too Late by ranton · · Score: 1

      I know Gary Johnson isn't likely to win, but if he gets close to 10% of the vote it'll change the entire scope of all future elections.

      This is why I'm close to wanting a civics and history test to determine who is allowed to vote (which needs to be taken more recently than an 8th grade civics test). Anyone who thinks a third party candidate getting 10% of the vote would change anything about modern elections doesn't even remember the last 25 years of presidential elections. Ross Perot received 18.9% of the popular vote in 1992 without causing any of the political upheaval you are hoping for.

      Young voters, or simply uneducated older voters, need to learn what a Plurality voting system with First Past the Post voting is, and how it works. They need to learn the difference between a voting system where coalitions are built before the election and represented by two parties containing multiple voting blocs (like the US), and one which allows for more than two parties but which requires a coalition to be built after elections (with less input and control from the voters). There are pros and cons on both sides.

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    58. Re:Too Late by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is all bullshit, both the critique on Trump and this alleged email scandal.

      These are both pseudo-scandals and the obvious result of concerted, well-orchestrated media campaigns. In my opinion, both parties run disgusting and immoral smear campaigns, and it really saddens me that (apparently) American voters are so easy to influence and distract from the real topics. Yes, I know that US presidential campaigns have always been a lot about the personality of the candidates, but I've followed many of them and this one is an absolute low so far. And just to make this clear, the Democrats are just as much to blame for this as Trump. There are no real arguments and only personal attacks on both sides, it's a disgrace.

      The thought frightens me that the next president of the most important nation on earth (in terms of economic and military power) could be elected, because two days before election someone publishes a video in which the other candidate says "woah, what a nice piece of ass", or the next president could be elected because two days before the election an email shows up in which the other candidate writes "fuck those idiots in Benghazi, they died because they were incompetent" -- or whatever people dig out from the past (up to 30 years ago) or from dubious unconfirmed Internet sources and "leak" to the press.

      It's not really my business, but if I were a US voter, I'd completely and deliberately ignore Trump's real or alleged misogyny and whatever emails Clinton has deleted or not, ignore all this mud slinging, and instead make a decision on the basis of the policies and plans that the candidates have laid out. If Clinton and Trump are really the "creme de la creme" of US politics and the whole nation really cannot come up with better candidates for the highest office, please at least make political issues count.

    59. Re:Too Late by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's just childish mirroring of the things people say about Trump. He goes off on an unhinged rant on Twitter at 3AM, so his followers start accusing Clinton of being psychotic. He sexually assaults women and generally treats them like dirt, so his supporters claim that Clinton freed a rapist and laughed about it, and that her husband (?!) is worse. His sniffing causes speculation that he is on drugs, so he calls for Clinton to take a drugs test.

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    60. Re: Too Late by ranton · · Score: 2

      sure, lets godwin the candidate who threatens the current corruption.

      Its too bad that comparing people with Hitler became so common no one takes it seriously when someone's political rhetoric really is as fascist as Hitler's was. The story about the boy who cried wolf comes to mind.

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    61. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So you don't think that Trump would take bribe money? He said himself that he has donated to all sides previously to be able to cash in 'favors'. So if he is not against of bribing why should he be against being bribed.

      Also, having a leader that can change his/her mind on a whim, and that gets totally absorbed by some personal petty vendetta to the point where they sit through the night having flame wars on twitter, is not a recipe for making any country great again. But let me tell you something, he is not out to make anyone or anything else great, just himself. Outside of his ego there is nothing he considers worth noting, except when he wants to take it from you.

      Is is very humorous so see the Trump fanbois piling up all the shit Hillary Clinton has done, but when it comes to their own house god, it is just the latest thing in an endless stream they remember (and fervently deny). Everything up to this point does not exist. Funny enough, this is just the same world view Donald Trump have of himself. You have been infected.

    62. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that Donald Trump would just further corparatism? Voting Donald Trump is really just getting rid of the middleman

    63. Re: Too Late by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      She says going forwards, any woman could just be careful around him and not hesitate to report any unwanted Trump attention, but that Hillary striking dodgy deals and war mongering etc will have potentially larger and more significant effects.

      What does she think the results of a Trump presidency would be? Kittens and puppies for all, and a chicken in every pot? I think it's more like all the voters are revealed to be chickens, and you have to eat your kittens and puppies because international trade is damaged and the economy goes into the toilet even faster.

      I thought equal pay for equal work was a feminist goal, so I really didn't see it as sexist. I think she said it is sexist beccause it implies women don't do the same work as men or something. Yeah I forgot.

      That's because feminists want equal pay for unequal work. Granted, the system is not equal now, but they want it to be unequal in the other direction. The wage gap is a problem, where it exists; in some industries it clearly does, in others it does not. A pay gap is not necessarily a problem; women work less than men on average, so you would expect them to get paid less than men on average. But women are angry that men get paid more, and they say as much in so many words.

      Incidentally she doesn't want to post anything even moderately pro-Trump or pointing out media bias against him - I told her to stop being a pussy or Donald might grab her.

      Have you seen the pics of pizzacat with the "I know what donald grabs" tagline? But even pizzacat is not safe. The pizza is a triangle.

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    64. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it would be okay to have not just someone in the white house, but the president, in a position to assault foreind dignitaries and their wives and staff, and to assault interns and staffers, and/or to be constantly fighting off lawsuits (or impeachment proceedings for assault? And this would be better than a president who would get the job done without intentionally enraging other world leaders?

    65. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He bragged about being able to grab women's pussy with consent - as in the clear and unambiguous phrase "They let you do it". Also, literally every second college graduate talks this way. Maybe that's a problem, but I doubt it's your nations biggest problem. I'll be honest, I would never vote for Trump because of his political position and tax plans, but this whole "leaking" of videos at the right time game is disgusting me. In case you're hopelessly naive, here is how this was worked out in some backroom of a fancy Washington restaurant:

      "So Hillary is unpopular, that's a real danger here. Can we make her more popular?"

      "Nah, that's difficult. She comes across as a smartass, just like Al Gore. Personality and speech coaching cannot change that impression, not that fast."

      "So we have to make Trump less popular."

      "Let's make it a battle of the sexes, make him a sexual predator and abuser, like we did with Assange"

      "Hm, that usually works. But we have to be careful, we need to keep Hillary out of the line, so it doesn't get personal, like man vs woman."

      "Right. Here is what we can do. I'm sure we can find some old tapes in which Trump acts like an asshole, after all that's already the image he built up in his TV show. We leak these tapes, or better, give 'our' journalists a hint where to find them, and pronto - Trump is a rapist, just like Assange."

      "Awesome! That'll work. And we keep Hilllary out of the firing line, tell her to comment on these stories only lightly, so she appears as the only viable alternative and nobody is reminded of her husband's affair with Monika Lewinsky."

      "Great, let's get to work!

      This is how it works.

    66. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democratic women aren't real women? Nice "one true Scotsman" argument you've got going there...

    67. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A politician who is not closely connected to wall street would be one who is largely out-of-touch with the realities of the American and global economies. If there is some evidence that her interactions with them have caused her to do things that harm America, then that would be something. If she was not close to them (like Mr. Sanders) that would suggest she would not be a very effective leader, either out of incompetence or ignorance.

    68. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think so. I believe a lot of people do not see her as an objectively highly accomplished politician who has been working very hard for decades to make the country a better place. I think a lot of people somehow see her as corrupt or evil, which is in striking contrast to her objective accomplishments. Being close to wall street is a very reasonable thing for any politician, and virtually all successful politicians already are. There has been no evidence of inappropriate influence in this relationship. Some politicians (such as Mr. Sanders) decide to not connect with wall street, and the result is that they are far less effective and more disconnected from the realities of America and the world.

      So I don't think everyone knows what she is. I think a lot of people believe what trump has been saying that her connections to the core of American business somehow make her automatically corrupt.

    69. Re:Too Late by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Dunno.

      Perhaps it implies that any woman who complains about being groped by someone who's become known for bragging about his 'leet groping skills is a sociopathic liar.

      Or perhaps it implies something more like, "OMG! That creep who put his hand up my dress in the elevator is running for President!"

      But of course there is not *nearly* enough evidence to suggest that either of these things is true, or even likely, right?

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    70. Re:Too Late by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Gee, context matters--who'd've thunk it.

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    71. Re:Too Late by RDW · · Score: 1

      He has zero chance of winning, which makes his being better or worse irrelevant.

      Hardly. Neutral predictions put his odds of winning at about 1 in 6 at the moment, and a lot can happen in the next 3 weeks. Voting for a third candidate might make sense when there are two sane though unappealing mainstream candidates. But Trump is as close to Mussolini as the US is likely to see. It's harder to think of a more dangerous time to use a protest vote.

    72. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only ones who will cause election day violence are the leftists who are violently attacking Trump supporters now. The folks who are not mature enough to control their emotions when they see or hear something they don't like, much like children do. Temper tantrums. And it's the same hypocrites who riot in the streets when a cop kills a black person, but ignore all the blacks killing blacks on a daily basis in cities like Chicago or Detroit. The FEAR MONGERING from the leaders on the left have put all their brown shirt followers into rage mode. The leftist leaders have fermented this outcome. Not Trump. The left's leaders scare their sheep on a daily basis in the country, scaring the hell out of their ignorant followers with repeated labels of "racist" and "sexist".

      But please, keep trying to tell yourself that your actions and the actions of your party are the somebody else's fault. Keep telling yourself they have power over you and your actions are justified because you didn't get what you want.

    73. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What was more amazing is when he sent a Tweet about checking out a sex tape, then directly denied it during the last debate. He hasn't even deleted the Tweet. So honest.

    74. Re: Too Late by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      How can a woman stand by and enthusiastically support an enabler of a rapist? How can a woman cheer for someone who attacks victims of sexual assault? That's called politics - and it means that "gender" only beats politics if the politics lean right. Rapists on the left? Leftist attacks on sexual assault victims? All A-OK!

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    75. Re:Too Late by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      You're typing on it. The internet. It wasn't nearly as wide spread, and people were not nearly as aware of every tiny issue. Being old and naive isn't really much better.

    76. Re:Too Late by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      You also need a tech lesson. The internet wasn't as wide spread back then. People were not as hyper-aware. It isn't civics that is misunderstood, or maybe it is. The dynamic has changed.

    77. Re:Too Late by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      his supporters claim that Clinton freed a rapist and laughed about it, and that her husband (?!) is worse.

      Except she did laugh about it, and her husband was impeached (and paid off $850,000, and lost his law license) over sexual assault. But I guess boasts are worse than actual actions, eh? Better to kill a dozen people than just talk about it! Better to arrest and blame an innocent video maker about the cause of four people's deaths (including an ambassador in her direct command) than to simply talk about it, eh?

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    78. Re:Too Late by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      In fact, Hillary herself says we should look to elect successful businessmen because they are typically above being bought. Implying that she CAN be bought. Of course, when she said that, she was giving a speech to really wealthy Wall Street folks, so the implication was a good ploy to ask for "donations"...

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    79. Re: Too Late by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Hillary disagrees with you. She believes there should be more successful businessmen in politics. That having billions basically eliminates the control of Wall Street.

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    80. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone knows now what she is and they're voting for her because of Trump or voting for Trump because of her

      There *are* more than two options.... and if "everyone", as you say, who was planning to vote for her because of Trump or Trump because of her considered other electoral options and voted instead for the candidate that actually represented the views most strongly tied to their own, then neither Trump nor Hillary would actually win.

      If either wins simply because of the phenomenon that you mentioned above, then all that will prove is that America deserves whatever hell it elected for itself because Americans are just too damn lazy to even *try* to change it.

    81. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding. She asks a loaded question designed to trap Carson and then when he doesn't appear to be falling for it, she starts interrupting and trying to talk over him. Amazingly rude.

    82. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Al Gore invented the Internet in the 1980s.

    83. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! I think this Political Compass place has flipped its poles.

    84. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't seem to understand human nature and the attraction women have to power, money, and fame. Stop listening to all those faux-feminists in the media that try to tell you that women don't actually act like you see them acting in public. Yes, a lot of women go ga-ga over a guy that is rich, famous, and powerful. Just like most guys are attracted to big boobs and nice hips. It's a survival instinct. Women see these types of men as being superior providers and protectors for their offspring and are attracted to them.

    85. Re:Too Late by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I think Trump is an ass,, personally... but those comments were made over 10 years ago. Really, the fact that they are being brought up *now* as some kind of excuse to not elect him is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. There are a plethora of things that he is saying right now, or has pledged to do in his first term in office that are problematic enough as a reason to not vote for the guy.... but dredging up a conversation made over a decade ago is just so.... well.... stupid.

    86. Re:Too Late by tburkhol · · Score: 2

      Trump wasn't complaining about having to fight off women who throw themselves at him, which I'm sure does happen. He was bragging about being able to do whatever he wants to anyone he wants as a privilege of his power. He was bragging about abusing his star power.

    87. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DNC picks the candidate, not the voters. Would have made no difference.

    88. Re: Too Late by sjames · · Score: 1

      So Hillary thinks we should vote for Trump?

      They say a broken clock is right twice a day, but in this case I think the hands fell off of both of these clocks.

    89. Re:Too Late by mark-t · · Score: 1

      It implies that Trump opponents are somehow getting desperate to find ways to discredit him in the eyes of the public. Which is bizarre, IMO, since it seems like there is plenty right here and now that they should have to work with.

    90. Re:Too Late by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      No, he is trying to build his brand for when he loses. Let people live in denial and "lead" them to the future...

    91. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

      Evidently some people reach a point in their lives where they realize that the government and its elected leader is a close parallel to a CEO - the CEO is there to insulate the board from the customers and employees so they can get on with their plans. The President is much the same, its mostly a diversion to insulate those in the background that pull the strings. In the end it doesn't matter who the "face" is, the real people calling the shots will keep going with what ever agendas they believe in.

    92. Re:Too Late by sjames · · Score: 1

      The turmoil within the Republican party that resulted from absorbing the Reform party is why they couldn't manage to kick Trump out in the primary. Their presidential candidate is actually a crazy RINO. If they try to absorb Libertarians as well, they'll lose the religious right.

      Let's see what the Democrats do when they try to deal with a strong showing for the Green party.

    93. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but you're wrong. They don't care. Just because everyone you know lives in liberal fantasy-land doesn't mean the rest of the country does. Grow up. Get a haircut. Get a real job.

    94. Re:Too Late by sjames · · Score: 1

      Sorry, no. Someone who thinks being rich means he's allowed to do whatever he wants to whoever he wants, even if it's deviant and perverted is not acceptable. That is the policy he has demonstrated. The rest is just stuff he has said.

      The email is a bit of a distraction. The real issue to me is that Clinton has always been the senator from Wall Street. That is her actual track record. The rest is just words.

      The policies and plans they have spoken of will be abandoned before the voting machines are put away. All that is left will be their characters and their track records.

      I'm not voting for either one of them.

    95. Re:Too Late by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Actual quote from Trump: "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone, and not lose a single voter."

      [REF: I'm too lazy, but it was on video & audio, and circulated about six months ago.]

    96. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been looking at the CNN front page on the net every day during the past two months and can confirm this. I don't know what Trump did to CNN that they hate him so much, but even Fox "news" (!) is less biased than CNN during this campaign. It's amazing.

    97. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Your girlf--oh, silly me.

      It's interesting how you only care about shaming one sex and not the other. And no, I don't approve of Trump's actions, either, but you don't exactly have a lot of moral authority calling people out in such a hypocritical manner. For the record, that means both of you are wrong, albeit to different degrees.

    98. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And then a bunch of came forward to say that for once Trump was telling the truth, and his habit of sexually assaulting women was very real."

      And then witnesses came forward who said those women were full of shit.

      And two of them work for the Hillary campaign.

      And one of them is married to a business rival.

    99. Re: Too Late by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Get a haircut. Get a real job.

      I'll just leave this here.

      https://youtu.be/su3HiXOjrfA

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    100. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its so interesting

      breitbart speaks for trump

      fox speaks for the rep party at times for trump at times neutral

      cnn, washington post, times for hiliary

    101. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Not like they get their lip bit, stroked a cigar, etc.

    102. Re: Too Late by skids · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was kinda torn when all this sex stuff started coming out. I stopped even considering voting for Trump before the campaign even started, when he was jumping around cable stations with the birther nonsense, but even had he not exposed himself as a huckster that way, I would have disqualified him when the Trump University story surfaced... and never looked back because nothing they've dug up on Clinton is more than just run of the mill political favoritism which we've survived as a nation for practically all of our history. But then the hits just kept on coming against Trump -- the anti-intellectualism, the continued appeal to the worst parts of his supporter's nature, the charity frauds, the compulsive blatant lying, the compete lack of experience or understanding.... on and on and on with reasons not to vote for this farce.

      But since I'd figure Trump University should have kept him from even being nominated by the Republicans, much less polling well in the general, one part of me wanted to say "Really, you were all set to vote for a guy who ran con schemes to steal money from rank and file regular people until some sex stuff came up? That's what it took?" (And incidentally if were really as rich as he says, then the only reason he'd even have done Trump University is out of some perverse P.T. Barnum source of sadistic amusement... take your pick he's either lying about his money, or an economic psychopath.)

      But on the other hand the degree of offense evident in the sex material and the overall tone of that campaign towards women is so atrocious the other part of me is like, well, on balance it may be one of the biggest, steamiest turds, on the pile. So even though it took the public so friggin long to realize just how awful Trump is, at least they ended up fixating on one of the more compelling reasons.

    103. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad to see somebody else remembered to wear turquoise.

    104. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're concerned because several people are coming forth with the same narrative in a small, 'strategic' span of time? You do realize you're talking about a country that largely ignores or trivializes rape allegations, right? While there are some women who falsely accuse (who should be locked away), many women do not report legitimate crimes against them because they're actively discouraged from doing so (ESPECIALLY when the accused is high-profile), in many cases by the police themselves.

      So no, I don't think there's a conspiracy here. Now that other people are coming forward, more women feel like they'll be taken seriously. That's why it's all coming out at once. Are all of them telling the truth? Maybe not. But you can't let that cloud your judgement overall. Nobody wanted to believe it about Cosby, and thought all of the accusers were full of shit. Many of them weren't.

    105. Re: Too Late by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      The Russians didn't leak it then because they prefer a Trump administration than a Sanders one.

      There goal is to weaken the US and have it pull out of NATO to a guy who will fold if you stroke his ego

    106. Re:Too Late by bongey · · Score: 1

      Laughing about 40 year old guy raping a 12 year girl isn't psychotic. The press has actually made excuses saying it is just lawyers joking around.

    107. Re: Too Late by bongey · · Score: 1

      My mom, my 3 sisters, my wife don't care, and my wife said "If that is sexual assault every guy in american is now a sexual predator" ie he didn't get past 1st base.

    108. Re:Too Late by bongey · · Score: 1

      "The let you do it" , consent dipshit. Yes we understand you never have even got to 1st base, you don't stop after kissing with "can I grab you boobs now"

    109. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just for shits and giggles, could you explain how his statement "I just start kissing them. Itâ(TM)s like a magnet. Just kiss. I donâ(TM)t even waitâ *doesn't* read as sexual assault in your eyes? If he'd come up to you and "just start[ed] kissing" you on the lips, in what world would you not consider that a sexual assault?

    110. Re:Too Late by bongey · · Score: 1

      Have you ever even kissed a girl? You don't stop and go "oh can I grab your boobs now", "oh can I take off your bra".
      Funny if that was the case, all the TV and movies are showing how to sexually assault women and some men.

    111. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She really isn't corrupt. You are completely deluding yourself because there's a narrative you find comforting that you're already committed to. Do you think she has secret billions stashed away somewhere that aren't showing in her 30 years of tax returns (and which she wouldn't be able to spend because it would be noticed that her spending is above her income levels)? FFS.

    112. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      boasting about performing sexual assaults

      No, you are just lying that what he said is describable as "sexual assault" in intent or in fact. If what he said definitively qualified as "sexual assault", then 90% of all sexual encounters are assault.

      You can submit your notarized consent forms for all your encounters here whenever convenient.

    113. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is more like the story of the boy with slightly mutated better vision into the edge of the forest than the rest of The Village. There actually was a wolf, and there was plenty of warning.

    114. Re:Too Late by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      You do realize we knew Perot won 19% of the vote as fast as we will know what Johnson wins, right? But you think Johnson winning half as much will be a game changer now because "internet"? You remind me of a sign I saw when I was a kid. It stated "Hire a teenager now, before they forget everything"

    115. Re:Too Late by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Yes, because of the internet, and the fact that despite both being former Republican Governors, they are siphoning votes from both parties. I've been on computer networks since the late 80s and the internet since the early 90s. I've seen how it has grown, and how the general population has grown with it. But your age reference may have brought up a reasonable point. At your age you may not be able to adapt to change as easily.

    116. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You haven't heard of the Clinton Body Count. Over 100 people dead under suspicious circumstances. Many that were directly in their way. Like When she ran for Senate, Kennedy Jr. announced running, then his plain crashed. Many other examples. She's a compulsive liar and sociopath. Former SS agent backs up this stuff and said Monica Lewinsky is alive today because of the Blue Dress evidence. 'M' was going to testify. Other interns were murdered with the initial M.

    117. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The media has brainwashed you well. Try to do some research outside of the mainstream. The drug test is because she seems to have Parkinson's and they treat that with dope. Google, Twitter, Facebook etc. have been blacklisting anything negative about them while trashing Trump. They're feeding you a narrative and you're brainwashed. Read the other side of the news. What's really happening in Syria, what's happening to Europa with globalization and Soros directing a refugee crisis from everywhere but Syria, and US supporting child beheading terrorist. Muslims raping everyone wherever they go. Including now Texas. Etc. Trump has enormous crowds showing up and gives decent speeches.

    118. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mom, my 3 sisters, my wife don't care, and my wife said "If that is sexual assault every guy in american is now a sexual predator" ie he didn't get past 1st base.

      You forgot your junior high sex lingo, mate.

      Mr T went for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd base with women that he found both attractive and vulnerable according to his locker room expiations and several women whose fields he tore up with his cleats.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_metaphors_for_sex

      He didn't say anything about ever actually hitting a home run, but he did say that he struck out with a married woman with whom he wanted desperately to score.

      And that's the ball game.

    119. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they do huh

      Let me know the next time a woman charges you tens of thousands of dollars for having to deliver your child out of her body, you retard.

    120. Re:Too Late by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      There's no evidence of a Trump recovery. If there's evidence for anything, it's that he's holding his base.

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    121. Re:Too Late by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And now it's time for everybody's favorite game show, here every night until November 8 (that's November 28th for Trump supporters); it's Reinterpret Trump's Statements So He Looks Good!

      The context was pretty clear, that Trump feels his wealth and fame means women will just let him grab their genitals without fear of retaliation. And he's right, that's what does happen, which is how Bill Cosby was able to sexually assault women for decades without fear. But I get it, you need to reinterpret that so women are whores and, you know, Donald Trump is just your average horny little devil.

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    122. Re:Too Late by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Or even better, the next time he's goes into work, starting grabbing female coworkers by the genitals and kissing them unannounced, or walking into their change rooms or bathrooms whenever he likes.

      Let's just see how willing women are to have men treat them this way. I'll even buy popcorn to take to his trial, as he tries to defend himself with "Well, that's just a-okay 'cause Donny Trump says so, and I think all women are whores."

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    123. Re:Too Late by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      There was nothing hypothetical about his statement. He said that's what he does, and now there are a number of women confirming what he said. The one time Trump actually gets caught telling the truth, he and his supporters want everyone to believe that's the time he was a liar.

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    124. Re:Too Late by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Translation: I think women are whores.

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    125. Re: Too Late by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And who the fuck do you think invests Trump's wealth (whatever it may be). The idea that a guy who has been a real estate typcoon (or con-artist, depending on who you ask), is somehow running independently of bankers is absurd. It's the double standard again; Clinton gets roasted for the very things any sane and informed person knows Trump has been doing.

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    126. Re: Too Late by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Do you have some way of verifying that feminists, as a group want "equal pay for unequal work"? I'm sure there's the odd feminist who probably espouses something like that, but the general concept is if two people do the same job, they should get the same pay, and further that if two people do the same job, they deserve to be treated equally. I doubt Trump grabs his male employees' genitals, so he shouldn't be grabbing women's either.

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    127. Re: Too Late by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      What the polls show is that Trump's hard supporters who are women don't care that he brags about grabbing women's genitals, they most certainly show that Democratic women and other women do in fact care. But this is the Trump campaign in a nutshell; what happens outside the echo chamber doesn't count.

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    128. Re: Too Late by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Clinton was a defense attorney and doing her job, as the Constitution requires. Defending really bad people sucks, but lawyers, particularly early in the careers, frequently have to do it. So are you arguing that people accused of really bad crimes shouldn't have as vigorous a defense as possible, and that lawyers defending such clients should simply not defend them in an effective way? Is that what you would want your legal council to do if you were accused of rape?

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    129. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but you're missing the part of the story in which he says he is compulsively drawn to kissing women, contextually without consent. "I just start kissing them, it's like a magnet. I don't even wait". So your example is useless as an argument, because you're re-contextualizing the situation.

    130. Re:Too Late by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      There has been an ideal of female purity dating back at least to the Middle Ages, and probably further back into Greco-Roman times. There has also been the reality that women, unless they were of some social station, could be sexually assaulted with few repercussions for the attacker. The ideal of female purity sadly didn't trickle much down below the highest ranks of society. That is until legal codes in the Western world finally began to take sexual assault seriously, as politicians and judges were forced to put down their foot and stop giving an easy ride to those who committed sexual assault. But even well into my working life, there were men, usually bosses and managers who treated women, usually women at the bottom of the pay scale like waitresses, file clerks and the like, like pieces of meat to be subjected to sexualized language, groping, and on occasion even worse. Yes, someone chose to play this all the way, but most just went home, washed themselves off, picked themselves up and went back the next day because they had to pay the rent.

      Power imbalances often look like that; to the guy on top it all seems very voluntary, to the people at the bottom, it's what one has to put up with to keep their job.

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    131. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The links to wikileaks.org show Hillary and her associates in their own words. It is not possible to dismiss those e-mails with claims of character assignation or conspiracy theory. People can try that stuff about this video of Cathy O'Brien. Cathy states that she was raped by Hillary Clinton.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arHL2Mz14yc

    132. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Bill running again?

    133. Re: Too Late by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Hillary disagrees with you. She believes there should be more successful businessmen in politics.

      Only if you define 'successful businessmen' as businessmen who continually fail
      And before you come back and say how successful he is now, how do you know? He says he's rich, but since we don't have tax records we don't know how much of his current assets are heavily financed under junk loans that might bankrupt him tomorrow.

    134. Re:Too Late by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Hardly. Neutral predictions put his odds of winning at about 1 in 6 at the moment, and a lot can happen in the next 3 weeks.

      A nominee turning around a 1 in 3 chance in 3 weeks would be considered a huge upset, a 5% swing in politics is massive. 1 in 6 is the equivalent of zero.
      Trump is right about the biased media, they are biased toward him by pretending he still has a chance purely to help them sell clicks. As candidate go, he is dead in the water. He has 40% voter support with zero chance of gaining any more. Hillary only has to avoid jail for 3 more weeks and it's in the bag.

    135. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There could be a video, the victim's blood on her hands, and her signed confession of first degree; she would still get away scot free.

    136. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't believe I haven't heard more commentary along the lines of

      s/star/richerthangod/

    137. Re: Too Late by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Do you have some way of verifying that feminists, as a group want "equal pay for unequal work"?

      They keep bringing up the pay gap when they work less. They should only be bringing up wage gaps. They complain about those too. That's fine. No doubt it's not every feminist, but it is ongoing. The debate is not moving forward.

      I doubt Trump grabs his male employees' genitals, so he shouldn't be grabbing women's either.

      No. Trump shouldn't be grabbing anyone's genitals without consent, full stop. The reason he shouldn't be grabbing vaginas is not that he's not grabbing penises. It's that genital-grabbing without permission is unacceptable.

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    138. Re: Too Late by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Let me know the next time a woman charges you tens of thousands of dollars for having to deliver your child out of her body, you retard.

      I've paid my share of the fees to keep my child coming out of a woman's body because neither of us wanted it to happen, so don't hold your breath. Or actually, please do. But just as it's a woman's choice whether to have a child or not, it's a woman's choice whether to suffer pregnancy. Since I don't have a say in whether she carries a pregnancy to term, she doesn't deserve to be paid for that unless I want it.

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    139. Re: Too Late by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I certainly don't care if Frump is a dog to women in his personal life.

      I do, not least because it is indicative of how he is likely to behave with a great deal more power in his hands, and not just to women (e.g., put an end to freedom of the press, jail political rivals, etc.)

      I do care if he's taking bribe money from big banks, big Pharma, mega corporations and foreign governments. These two things are not remotely equal.

      I disagree. However it manifests, abuse of power and disrespect for the law are serious matters. That said, I am sure that you already know that Trump and his gang fails scrutiny by some or all of the areas you specifically mentioned. I presume you are aware of his ties to Russian oil oligarchs for example.

      Enough with the PC/SJW crap that elevates attitudes to women to the same level as political corruption!

      Speak for yourself.

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    140. Re: Too Late by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      My mom, my 3 sisters, my wife don't care, and my wife said "If that is sexual assault every guy in american is now a sexual predator"...

      No, just in your trailer park.

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    141. Re:Too Late by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      It's really hard to pick a single worst thing that Trump has done or said. But if pressed, I would have to suggest that threatening to jail his opponent is the one.

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    142. Re:Too Late by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I think Trump is an ass,, personally... but those comments were made over 10 years ago.

      Not all of them.

      Really, the fact that they are being brought up *now* as some kind of excuse to not elect him is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

      Disagree. Even if all the allegations were about incidents a decade or more ago they would still disqualify him for the high office he seeks.

      There are a plethora of things that he is saying right now, or has pledged to do in his first term in office that are problematic enough as a reason to not vote for the guy.... but dredging up a conversation made over a decade ago is just so.... well.... stupid.

      Agree that this is only one reason Trump should never have gotten this far. But this is not "dredging", it is Trump's own words, it is not a "conversation", it is a boastful monologue, and it is not stupid, it is deeply disturbing.

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    143. Re:Too Late by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      No, he is trying to build his brand for when he loses. Let people live in denial and "lead" them to the future...

      I wonder if he will find himself in the position of leading his mob from prison, after his underage rape trial works its way through the courts.

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    144. Re:Too Late by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      In fact, Hillary herself says we should look to elect successful businessmen because they are typically above being bought.

      Your lunatic fringe link is unconvincing. And even if the argument did have merit, the businessman ought to be genuinely successful, unlike Trump, whose main business skills comprise stiffing contractors and investors and declaring bankruptcy, and who has provided no convincing evidence that his net worth is anything but negative.

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    145. Re:Too Late by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Actual quote from Trump: "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone, and not lose a single voter."

      Only if the dead person was not republican.

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    146. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the OP was a lesbian.

    147. Re:Too Late by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      This is all bullshit, both the critique on Trump and this alleged email scandal.

      You are aware that the Clinton campaign has repeatedly conceded that the e-mails are genuine and that they enumerate a dozen felonies including a few acts of treason and dozens of hypocrisies, right? But that's "bullshit"?

    148. Re: Too Late by guises · · Score: 1

      Well, since you're asking about how it looks "in my eyes": I used to live in Canada and saw, and experienced, this with some regularity from French Canadians. My eyes don't see most kissing as sexual assault, whether or not it's welcome. My eyes don't see most kissing as sexual in nature, though obviously it can be.

      Taking a more objective look at it though: that statement was sufficiently oddball that I read it as hyperbole, and I was proven correct when he met the woman and didn't start involuntarily kissing her. Even though he had said earlier that he "couldn't help himself." Really, he was relatively well behaved compared to his sycophant. That guy's behavior was just contemptible and by far the most uncomfortable part of that video for me.

    149. Re:Too Late by Maritz · · Score: 1

      forgive Trump for daring to say "p***y" off the record.

      LOL, that's your characterisation of how that went down? Pathetic. When you're that divorced from reality, there truly is no hope for you ever facing up to fuck all.

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    150. Re:Too Late by Maritz · · Score: 2

      Stop skewing the conversation.

      "Skewing the conversation" is literally all they have.

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    151. Re:Too Late by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      You do realize you're talking about a country that largely ignores or trivializes rape allegations, right?

      We live in a country that trivializes anything of real importance. United States of Apathy and Greed. A shame isn't it?

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    152. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing hypothetical, eh?

      Okay, then state the particular women he was talking about, and the particular locations and circumstances. When -he- said it, certain that was what -he- meant. Then we can move forward. You don't get to fill in whatever you'd like to think he said, as what he said.

      The women are hardly "confirmation". They are repeated long after the fact things broadly corresponding to what he said. Of course. Fabricated or not, they'd of course say specifically that to build their (at this late in the game, presumably Democratic payoff-cash or lawsuit-cash) prospective personal interests.

      "Confirmation" happens after a court case. Which has not happened. Whether you like innocent-until-proven-guilty or not, it is the law of the land.

    153. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about:
      1) A guy who's a pig with women? And in debt to dodgy Russians? And admires Putin? And thinks there should be curbs of freedom of speech? And that his opponent should be imprison (not 'given a fair trial', just 'imprisoned')...and so on.

    154. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Assad and the Russians are the good guys?
      Putinbot spotted.

    155. Re: Too Late by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      The Times says he's worth at least $1.8 billion if not more, per FEC financials. But I guess that's not successful enough?

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    156. Re:Too Late by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      NY Times on Trump's worth - at least $1.8 billion net positive. Don't go through life ignorant... It takes but a second to find this information...

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    157. Re:Too Late by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      NYT simply reported on Trump's financial disclosure... that in no way constitutes and endorsement from NYT that the disclosure is honest or complete. In fact, I have seen a professional opinion that the $550 valuation ascribed to golf courses is overstated by a factor of four. Where there is smoke, there is fire. I would not be the least surprised if it eventually comes out that his true net worth is negative as evidenced by a personal bankruptcy filing after failing to become POTUS. See, there has to be a reason why Trump nickel and dimes his little frauds, just look at the activity of his "charitable" foundation to see what I mean.

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    158. Re:Too Late by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Translation: I think no women are whores.

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    159. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are two parties in American politics, just not the ones you are familiar with. They are:

      1) The people who vote.

      2) The people who get elected.

      Lose sight of this and you become a tool of the ruling party. You are compromised, untrustworthy, a traitor.

      Don't they have enough power without half of the population supporting them unconditionally? They have the support of the entire government machine, the reigns of the economy in their hands, all of the conniving and spending the 1% can spare (which is a fuck-ton), and the heads, hands, and feet of corporate officials from all over the world at their beck and call.

      As if that's not enough, you partisan idiots do their dirty work for free; fighting against the only thing that can reign in their power, namely your American brothers and Sisters. A house divided against itself...

      And you wonder why the candidates we have are such shit?

      You complete and total idiots.

    160. Re: Too Late by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Not sure what the rate is. They are surely not well paid.

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    161. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Men that treat women like shit are well known for their lack of success with them /s

      Which means that women either actually do like to be treated like shit or they will do anything and put up with anything if they think they'll get something from it (i.e. attention, money, etc.).

    162. Re:Too Late by erapert · · Score: 1

      It's not really my business, but if I were a US voter, I'd completely and deliberately ignore Trump's real or alleged misogyny and whatever emails Clinton has deleted or not, ignore all this mud slinging, and instead make a decision on the basis of the policies and plans that the candidates have laid out.

      1. Neither of them have put forward policies that would actually solve the real problems in this country (debt, deficit, entitlement spending, taxes, etc.)
      2. Neither of them, if elected, would actually be able to do a damned thing: we have this thing called congress which makes the actual laws and decisions in this country.
      3. The average moron on the street-- in any country-- is supremely ill-educated to understand the nuances and impacts of economic and social policies. This is frequently because they're stupid, or because they're busy, y'know, living their lives, or because they have something to gain one way or the other and therefore don't care what's best for the country. Someone who advocates a policy which might go against their own interests should be listened to.

      The problem with democracy is that imbeciles can vote.
      The problem with democracy is that selfish assholes can vote for free stuff for themselves... at the expense of other, demonized and less popular, citizens.

      The solution? Vote to reduce the federal government's power over our lives so that they stop ruining everything.
      We need only just enough government to keep the borders intact (and enforce those borders...), defend us from the Russians and Chinese (doesn't take much since they're on the other side of the world), keep our civil liberties from being trampled on by self-righteous assholes (i.e. tree-hugging fascists in commiefornia, flag-waving fascists in New York, sun-tanned fascists in Alabama), and uphold the law (i.e. immigration law, anti-theft, anti-murder, anti-rape laws etc.).

    163. Re:Too Late by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

      And immediately he said that, he said "they let you do it." Let means consent. Why lie about this? Why exaggerate? You're hurting your own cause.

      Yes, the phrasing is crass and tediously macho. No I've never talked like this in my life. But let's just do a little experiment here with some singular masculine pronouns:

      "He let me borrow his car."

      "He let me kiss him."

      " He let me do it--I could do anything I wanted. I could grab him by the dick."

      Does ANY of this sound plausibly non-consensual to you? It sounds obviously exaggerated to me, like a guy claiming all women were attracted to and submissive to him. None of that sounds like sexual assault. If he made a comment about them like "not wanting it at first but then they stop fighting", now THAT would sound like sexual assault... but he explicitly said they let him.

      You have fifteen million legitimate ways to tear Trump to pieces but every single one of them that you people fixate on, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, is based on some truly demented logic bordering on lies. Yes, by all means, let's fucking turn this into a SJW three ring circus where all sex is rape without forms filled out in triplicate, talking in this lame "alpha" way implies a lack of consent. Let's make sure that we scream the loudest about issues like this so that every single person on the fence in this election can look into it and see it's bullshit.

      The man is a liar and a moron and a goon. You really shouldn't need to make up more shit to torpedo him.

    164. Re:Too Late by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

      immediately before that*

    165. Re:Too Late by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

      "My girlfriend let me touch her pussy" does not imply that I sexually assaulted my girlfriend. You people seem to be confused due to the pluralization...or just the fact that Trump is an ass and the whole thing has an pathetically strained macho haze over it.

      The consent here was not specified. It could be in any number of things. Generally speaking, these things takes the form of a hand that rests on a thigh or belly for a while and then, if the body language shows this is welcome, slowly moving closer, giving her plenty of time to react. Generally speaking, written paperwork is not involved.

      The implication was that all women 'want it' from him. That's the BRAGGING bit, right? When macho jackasses like Trump want to brag, the theme is that women want to have sex with them, not that they have to force themselves on women.

      You have a thousand ways to thoroughly tear Trump to shreds for the benefit of the people who are still on the edge in this election. And I really wish you people would do that, but the biggest controversies that the left fixates are invariably the flimsiest. Pushing everything through a SJW filter and assuming that everyone else in the country is going to make the same "most men are rapists" assumption as you... is not a good gambit to be making at this stage in the game.

    166. Re:Too Late by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The primaries were not rigged. The DNC supported Clinton's campaign against Sanders. There are many fewer superdelegates than elected/selected delegates, and Sanders could have won if he'd done a lot better than Clinton. Without some sort of establishment influence, we get candidates like Goldwater, McGovern, and Trump, so I'm fine with it. (The first Presidential election I voted in was in 1972. That left me with a strong desire never to have another McGovern.)

      No halfway sentient being is upset that Trump used the word "pussy". What people object to is that grabbing a woman by the pussy without consent is sexual assault, which is a crime (last I looked at Minnesota statutes, it was "criminal sexual conduct in the sixth degree"). Trump was saying that he sexually assaults women and gets away with it. I completely fail to understand why anyone would think that this is about anything but sex crime.

      Don't forget that the Republican Congress refused to allocate the money Clinton asked for for embassy security, and that four people dead in such attacks really isn't bad for her tenure as Secretary of State, if you look at the history (embassy or consulate work in most countries is somewhat high-risk). For whatever reason, 40% of the nation doesn't seem to care about these things.

      Anyone in public life for long enough will have a trail of suspicious deaths that can be tied to them. As it happens, people die for all sorts of reasons, and if they're politically involved some people are likely to benefit from the deaths (Archduke Franz-Ferdinand in 1914 might be an exception here). Given enough people distantly involved with a politician, the list of helpful deaths will grow, if statistics tell us anything.

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    167. Re:Too Late by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Grabbing a pussy, without consent, is a sex crime, at least in my state. Trump described a version of sexual assault reasonably well; what he didn't do is claim he did it to any individual woman. He did claim that he did it and got away with it.

      "First moves", in my limited experience, are things like holding hands, putting an arm around her, hugging and kissing, etc. You know, things that aren't sex crimes. I'm not aware of any pickup guide that suggests just going for the genitals. If you think pussy-grabbing is a reasonable first move, I'd suggest that starting in other places would improve your dating life immensely, and give you reduced chances of being hit or spending time in jail.

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    168. Re:Too Late by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Given Trump's history with contractors, do you think he'd pay them? Treating a woman as a whore does include paying her.

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    169. Re:Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They?

    170. Re: Too Late by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Given what he started with, no, it's not enough. He'd have been better off investing in index funds.

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    171. Re:Too Late by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      Trump is correct to be suspicious when there is actual video evidence of organized conspiracy to incite violence his events. So we know at least one side is likely to cause issues on election day.

      When the means justifies the ends, there is every reason to be suspicious of election fraud. We've already seen the DNC conspire against Sanders in favor of Clinton, so I can only imagine that nothing is off the table as far as Trump is concerned. It seems highly likely in the wake of emailgate that the FBI or the DOJ would just look the other way.

    172. Re: Too Late by Gussington · · Score: 2

      The Times says he's worth at least $1.8 billion if not more, per FEC financials. But I guess that's not successful enough?

      Not when you consider how much of his father's money he burnt in the process. Most of us are lucky get one chance at wealth, He has had many and still finds ways to throw it away.
      This is not the reputation I'd want looking after the nation's finances.

    173. Re: Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pretty much agree with your assessment of Trump.
      I would add that if I was looking for someone to bring this world into a hot nuclear war he would be the number one contender.
      Not that I would vote for Clinton if there were any half reasonable alternative but of the two unedifying candidates with any chance of occupying the White House Clinton wins hands down. Also I'm not a US citizen so I can't vote anyway but we (the the world) will have to live with the consequences post November 2016 however it plays out.

    174. Re:Too Late by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Agreed. It is all part of the political/media spin machine.

      You could make the same arguments about Trump and all his recent scandals. Was anybody really surprised?

      OMG he is a sexist egoist and behaves horribly!

      I think everyone knew this well before he was even a candidate. I mean he ran the Miss America contests for years. Does anyone really believe those are about empowerment.

      OMG he's a Billionaire that doesn't pay taxes! Like those are rare. To quote fictional Bill Gates in the Simpsons "I didn't get rich writing checks"...

      Anyway all these "revelations" for both candidates are really nothing new to anyone really, other than perhaps some details.

    175. Re:Too Late by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      and the fact that despite both being former Republican Governors, they are siphoning votes from both parties.

      And Perot did the same. So what?

      I've been on computer networks since the late 80s and the internet since the early 90s.

      Ditto. Actually a little longer than that.

      I've seen how it has grown, and how the general population has grown with it.

      As have I. Most of it has been good. Though there is plenty that is not.

      At your age you may not be able to adapt to change as easily.

      Please enlighten me. Granted, I've never in my life seen both major party candidates despised to the extent they are this election. It's a little scary that "Big Meteor" could take 13% of the vote if it was on the ballot. But I fail to see how this is going to get anything more than lip service from the major parties once the election is over. Everyone will be bitching about who ever wins. Many will be doing so on the internet, but I don't' see why that makes any difference.

  3. Just reruns, filtered thru trolls by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For the most part, it's the same speeches she gives on the campaign trail. Her detractors comb through to find some interpretation that can be spun as sinister, and dance around the news cams with it like a kid who found his lost jaw breaker under the couch.

    1. Re:Just reruns, filtered thru trolls by Tontoman · · Score: 0

      Regarding releasing the transcripts, on February 5th, Hillary said she would "look into it. I don't know the status." http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hi... She has dragged her feet since then. Now, thankfully, some of them have been released so voters can read them and judge for themselves in time for the election. It obviously was not in her interest to have them made available.

    2. Re:Just reruns, filtered thru trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Regarding releasing the transcripts, on February 5th, Hillary said she would "look into it. I don't know the status." http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hi... She has dragged her feet since then. Now, thankfully, some of them have been released so voters can read them and judge for themselves in time for the election. It obviously was not in her interest to have them made available.

      So... what have we found out by actually reading them?

      *crickets*

    3. Re:Just reruns, filtered thru trolls by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      It obviously was not in her interest to have them made available.

      There's a bit more speculative and pie-in-sky nature to them than her campaign speeches, which gives more room for pundits to play with her text.

      For example, her comment about open borders and open trade for all of the Americas was likely a kind of Star-Trekkian dreaming rather than a policy plan. But pundits against her presented it as her policy.

      If the South American countries had more mature economies and governments, an American version of the European Union may indeed make sense. But we are a long ways from there, such that making it a policy goal now makes no sense.

      She was probably aware that such a style gives too much ammunition to her detractors to bend and shape interpretations. Politics is not forgiving.

    4. Re:Just reruns, filtered thru trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just love the "Correct the Record" people. Before transcripts were released Hillary shills say "no way, Hillary is actually FOR YOU, NOT Wall Street". These dumps confirm that, yes she's going to push for more NAFTA and more money for Wall Street and donors and we'll have more people getting fired and training more H1B workers to replace them. So after the email dumps, what does "Correct the Record" say now? Oh everybody already KNEW that Hillary really supports Wall Street more than the average worker.

      It may not matter to you, but Hillary being in bed with corporate sponsors sure matters to people like Mike Emmons EXCLUSIVE — American Worker Forced to Train Foreign Replacement Reveals How Hillary Clinton Betrayed Him .

      Vote for Hillary? Enjoy your subjugation you voted for yourself.

    5. Re:Just reruns, filtered thru trolls by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      Same things we already knew: she's an open borders globalist who will do whatever Wall Street wants. If that kind of serfdom appeals to you, vote Clinton.

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  4. ".....Wikileaks Dump" by Bob_Who · · Score: 0

    That headline is just begging for the inevitable rhyme...

    I just can't wait for the "Trump Dump" !

    1. Re:".....Wikileaks Dump" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just can't wait for the "Trump Dump" !

      Here ya go.

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  5. Why is nobody mentioning the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's strange that the news is almost entirely about the release of the remarks and, at least in linked article, no mention of what those remarks are. Could it be that the remarks aren't actually interesting or even newsworthy?

    1. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Repeating false statements often enough does not ever make them true... all there have been are vague accusations and astonishingly little, if any, *specific* evidence to substantiate them.. And the allegations of the existence of evidence have, so far, been no less vague than the accusations themselves. They are not possible to refute not because they are necessarily true, but because they are so deliberately vague and ill defined as to evade any attempt to disprove.

    2. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod parent up....

    3. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's strange that the news is almost entirely about the release of the remarks and, at least in linked article, no mention of what those remarks are. Could it be that the remarks aren't actually interesting or even newsworthy?

      More the likely. Also look at the day it's released - I mean, it wasn't released on a day known for big news. Similar to the Friday Afternoon Dump, you release on these days when it's really bad for you, the releaser.

      These leaks themselves aren't terribly interesting. So the only thing Wikileaks is cashing in on is goodwill based on earlier leaks that news of leaks is news itself.

      And if you're curious, it's likely a political play by Assange - apparently Ecuador is going to have a presidential election and the current president, Rafael Correa, is not running for another term. This scares Assange because it could easily mean the end to his asylum, and if he's handed over to the US, he'd rather be under a president Trump than Clinton. Perhaps hoping he'd at least get a pardon or something out of it. That's the political play, at least

    4. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bzz. Wrong. She directly said that she says one thing to the media and a different thing to her donors. She's on the record taking money from foreign governments and subsequently giving them meeting time. She's on the record undermining the primary.

      Here's a woman worth hundreds of millions of dollars from selling influence and the mindless sheep that follow here insist that she just made that money from "speeches".

      What is she Chris Rock?

    5. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly what are you talking about? Those claims were well substantiated in the leaks. Stop reading Huffington Post.

      Clinton is clearly, and by any definition of the word, corrupt.

    6. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by phantomfive · · Score: 2
      This quote seems bad on the surface:

      SECRETARY CLINTON: That's a really interesting question. You know, I would like to see more successful business people run for office. I really would like to see that because I do think, you know, you don't have to have 30 billion, but you have a certain level of freedom. And there's that memorable phrase from a former member of the Senate: You can be maybe rented but never bought.

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    7. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! Assange is really playing with fire, then. Trump's not going to pardon Assange, because once he's pardonned, Trump will no longer be able to use Assange to his advantage. Trump may promise to pardon him, but even if that happens, it won't happen until the last day of his presidency.

      More than likely Trump will offer him a pardon but then prosecute him anyway.

      dom

    8. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 0

      Ahhhh, anti-intellectualism, hard at work.

      There is such a thing as tailoring one's message to suit a particular audience and/or medium.

      Small-minded folk try to paint this as hypocrisy, conveniently forgetting how they told a funny story to their buddies at the bar but told a *cough* slightly different *cough* version of it to their wives and/or girlfriends.

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    9. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by aberglas · · Score: 1

      Well, you've just prove the other AC wrong.

      Saying things often enough DOES make them true. You believe them.

    10. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lefttarded keep calling Assange a traitor, he is not an American but Australian living in Europe...
      Has he broken any European or Australian laws pertaining to these leaks?
      He is in Ecuador's embassy because of a rape charge...
      The same with that Gussifer [sp] fellow...
      Extradition laws are for bringing criminals home who are on the lam...
      Not for bringing foreigners here for there mischief...
      A hypothetical,l if America bans smoking should we extradite people in Europe for lighting up ?

      later---Napervillian

    11. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      She appears to be arguing that independently wealthy individuals are less prone to being influenced by campaign contributors. It's well known that some politicians are little more than fronts for corporations. If that's the most controversial thing she said, there is nothing here at all.

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    12. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If that's the most controversial thing she said, there is nothing here at all.

      Agreed. however...

      She appears to be arguing that independently wealthy individuals are less prone to being influenced by campaign contributors. It's well known that some politicians are little more than fronts for corporations.

      It's a stupid argument at best, because it's provably untrue. The best kind of politician stays bought once bought. And if you buy them enough times, then if they stop staying bought, you can simply leak the fact that you've been buying them all along and their career hits the skids.

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    13. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't actually substantiate an allegation with a leak that supposedly "proves" it, because the leak itself is just another claim, and as such only constitutes an allegation, not evidence.

      Why is it that everyone who is shouting about how she broke the law is completely unable or unwilling to point to *specific* evidence of criminal wrongdoing?

    14. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ahhhh, anti-intellectualism, hard at work.

      There is such a thing as tailoring one's message to suit a particular audience and/or medium.

      Small-minded folk try to paint this as hypocrisy, conveniently forgetting how they told a funny story to their buddies at the bar but told a *cough* slightly different *cough* version of it to their wives and/or girlfriends.

      Anti-intellectualism?

      It's small-minded to think that lying to the country's population for personal profit is bad because you've also lied to and deceived your wife? Is this really how you think?

      Zontar the Mindless, indeed!

    15. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      She certainly manages to bring out the best in you, doesn't she?

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    16. Re: Why is nobody mentioning the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same with that Gussifer [sp] fellow...
      Extradition laws are for bringing criminals home who are on the lam...
      Not for bringing foreigners here for there mischief...
      A hypothetical,l if America bans smoking should we extradite people in Europe for lighting up ?

      You obviously do not know how extradition treaties work, or international crime, which has existed since telegraphs at the least. Your hypothetical is silly, but if the European smokers got their smoke to America, it would surely be a matter of international concern. Oh wait, we do have such disputes.

      Guccifer is a criminal, whose actions violated the rights of Americans in America. No different than if he used a phone to defraud folks. Even if he had limited his harm to political targets, which he didn't, he'd still be a criminal.

    17. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      It's well known that some politicians are little more than fronts for corporations.

      Especially when said politician is in a position of influence over relations with foreign powers (Governments and corporations), and has a personal "foundation" that is used to keep their family in an opulent lifestyle... I mean, going from $8 million in debt to $150 million in wealth in just 15 years IS a bit suspicious, don't you think?

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    18. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by bongey · · Score: 1

      "Take the Money!!" when talking about foreign agents raising money for the campaign. Last time I checked that was illegal.

      The press was crying foul when a generic donation scripted email was accidentally sent to a guy in the UK. The press made it sound like Trump knew the guy personally in the UK.

    19. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I've no idea how you managed to get that from my post. I'd call it a logic fail, but there's no logic there I can fathom.

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    20. Re: Why is nobody mentioning the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, my post was sloppy, now that I reread it. That Guccifer fellow was here in the states electronically,(he was not here physically) hacking a e-mail server that should never been in the first place. By witch I mean if the maintainer of the e-mail server did his/her job, this would not be in conversation...
      Now I don't have a problem with congress critters having there own servers e-mail or otherwise, provided they follow protocol/rules to keep the system secure.. However that Clinton critter had an illegal server to cover up her misdeeds an she clearly had bad intentions...
      Now technically that Guccifer, violated our laws (USA) and I normally do not advocate " the ends justify the means" however in this case this has helped to put light on a career criminal that is Hillery Clinton. Who is a way bigger fish to fry... Guccifer should be let go, with no more than wrist slap...
      Other governments hack/steel our secrets all the time should we extradite China or Russia? Or should we make sure our intellectual property is secure...
        " Oh wait, we do have such disputes" Citation please...

      later-Napervillian

    21. Re:Why is nobody mentioning the content by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Not if those messages outright contradict. That's not "tailoring" a message, that's lying, and it's especially not the same circumstance as some average Joe who yaks to his bar buddies, and someone who's currently running for high office; or would you like to use that defense for Trump too? He wasn't running for office 11 years ago, and maybe he was just talking smack, bragging to "bar buddies", "tailoring his message" to look more suave to them. Don't buy that? Good. Neither do I, but neither do I buy Hillary's innocence either.
      BTW, nice ad-hominem dig in there to anyone who doesn't support your goddess as "small minded folk" and "anti-intellectual" (sounds Obama-esque). Why just insult the candidate you don't like when you can insult the people who won't support your pick as well?

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    22. Re: Why is nobody mentioning the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guccifer fellow was here in the states electronically,(he was not here physically) hacking a e-mail server that should never been in the first place. By witch I mean if the maintainer of the e-mail server did his/her job, this would not be in conversation...

      The (in)security of a server does not mean anything though.

      Now I don't have a problem with congress critters having there own servers e-mail or otherwise, provided they follow protocol/rules to keep the system secure.. However that Clinton critter had an illegal server to cover up her misdeeds an she clearly had bad intentions...

      Gives no license to Guccifer, and you forget, he also hacked other servers, not just the one you are talking about. Did you not read his guilty plea!

      Now technically that Guccifer, violated our laws (USA) and I normally do not advocate " the ends justify the means" however in this case this has helped to put light on a career criminal that is Hillery Clinton.

      In fact, FBI director Comey said Guccifer admitted he lied about hacking Hillary's server.

      Who is a way bigger fish to fry... Guccifer should be let go, with no more than wrist slap...

      He'll be doing 52 months. Plus his remaining term in Romania. For crimes and offenses you don't seem to know about.

      Other governments hack/steel our secrets all the time should we extradite China or Russia? Or should we make sure our intellectual property is secure...

      Diplomatic relations and international espionage is a complicated matter. So far, I think the Rosenbergs are the last ones the US has executed though.

       

      " Oh wait, we do have such disputes" Citation please...

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_environmental_agreements

      What, you don't remember acid rain?

  6. Let me guess by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1, Troll

    She promised them she'd leave the door to the treasury building unlocked and they could just take whatever they wanted.

    1. Re:Let me guess by Z80a · · Score: 1

      If she did anything, was on the basis of "if you vote for me, those will be your new toys to completely crush any semblance of competition that even dare to appear. Also we will control that internet thing you're afraid of"

  7. So quote them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't even believe you've actually read them if you can say that.

    1. Re:So quote them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe you read them, either.

  8. Fantastic timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Releasing this /. after midnight on a Sunday doesn't 'feel' like the top of the news cycle to me. At least it's getting mentioned here;I haven't heard a peep on the major networks.

    1. Re: Fantastic timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And you won't. These documents were obtained by dubious means. Leaked from hacked email accounts and servers. They could be altered and there's no supporting evidence they are true. So they are not worth reporting. Seriously though, isn't it odd no one is claiming the documents are fabrications?

      Instead, there will be another three or four women complaining of sexual harassment or battery on the news, talking about something that happened a decade or more ago - long enough ago to make a defense impossible and without a shred of evidence or witnesses to back it up. But hey! They need to be
      believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence...

      And seriously, Gloria Allred? That just kills all credibility. Her S.O.P. Is to trot out a victim, lay a bunch of accusations, have the victim tell a sob story followed by "no questions, please!" then lets the press run with it.

    2. Re: Fantastic timing by guruevi · · Score: 1

      We used to have this thing called journalists, they would actually fact check and investigate matters like these. They would encourage people to leak documents and protect their sources identities (where we get things like Deepthroat and Watergate). Now the SAME journalists (including Carl Bernstein) that protected Deepthroat and exposed Watergate are being scolded for 'working with the enemy' by calling Hillary reckless and a liar.

      These days, the media is just an extension of the political establishment and the only 'fact checking' being done about Hillary is either referred to HillaryClinton.com (no joke) or copied straight from there.

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  9. Her " Environmentalism is a Russian Hoax" by Crashmarik · · Score: 0

    Doesn't bother you ?

    According to Sputnik International, Wikileaks reportedly uncovered a paid-for speech made in 2014 by the former Secretary of State in front of an audience of “North American oil and natural gas tycoons.”

    “We were up against Russia pushing oligarchs and others to buy media. We were even up against phony environmental groups, and I’m a big environmentalist, but these were funded by the Russians to stand against any effort, oh that pipeline, that fracking, that whatever will be a problem for you, and a lot of the money supporting that message was coming from Russia,” Clinton allegedly said

    http://oilprice.com/Latest-Ene...

    1. Re:Her " Environmentalism is a Russian Hoax" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Clinton: "We were even up against phony environmental groups, and I’m a big environmentalist, but these were funded by the Russians..."

      Silly website: HILLARY SEZ ENVIRONMENTISM IS TEH FAKE.

      Is your head not hurting from the cognitive dissonance?

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    2. Re:Her " Environmentalism is a Russian Hoax" by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      I'm voting for the green party, but even I don't have an issue with that statement by Clinton. It's entirely possible that some environmentalist groups around the USA and the world were funded by Russia in order to try to raise the price of Russia's primary export. I'd have to see her list of exactly which groups she considers phony in order to decide whether to express disagreement.

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    3. Re: Her " Environmentalism is a Russian Hoax" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      greenpeace is a cia front and they destroyed german nuclear power for bp shell gazprom and so on.

    4. Re:Her " Environmentalism is a Russian Hoax" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please. Is your head hurting from being a moron?

      A real environmental movement can also have bad faith actors posing as real environmental groups and sabotage the movement.

      Nowhere is it stated that the entirety of environmentalism is fake.

      Wilful ignorance is repulsive.

    5. Re:Her " Environmentalism is a Russian Hoax" by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Um, that's not what it says on that excerpt...

    6. Re:Her " Environmentalism is a Russian Hoax" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      A real environmental movement can also have bad faith actors posing as real environmental groups and sabotage the movement.

      Whoah there, cowboy. That's exactly what I was implying, and it seems most rational folk could see that.

      Perhaps you were in a bit too much of a hurry? Because it seems that you (a) managed to "understand" me exactly backwards, and (b) failed to read the post to which I was responding. Or maybe you thought were responding to another post, and not mine? Whatever.

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    7. Re: Her " Environmentalism is a Russian Hoax" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's among the top 10 most stupid conspiracy theories I've ever heard on the Internet.

    8. Re:Her " Environmentalism is a Russian Hoax" by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of fake environmental groups, even groups not funded by Russia. We have a bunch of them in Florida set up to combat a mass transit project that's unpopular with some of the people it'll pass by.

      I'm not sure why you think for a second any environmentalist would deny the existence of such groups.

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  10. Groping by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm actually wondering at this point, is he deliberately trying to cause election day violence?

    Nah- what's happening here is that he knows he's going to lose, and he's desperately groping for excuses.

    1. Re:Groping by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but the fact that he appears to be assembling an army of people to "police the polls", because apparently the Dems are going to be bussing in blacks and Mexicans, is a recipe for election day violence. He even has Pence doing it now, which makes me sad, because while I think Pence is a bit of a regressive person, I thought he did have a core of decency. The GOP is, of course, looking on this in horror. For democracy to work, there has to be acceptance on the part of the loser that they did indeed lose. Gore did it in 2000, even if he may have had some right to continue pressing his claim, but he did it because he knew that the principle that was at stake was more important than even who got into the Oval Office.

      Yes, Trump is different than those that came before. He's a bad tempered man incapable of admitting who fault who would clearly burn the whole damned thing to the ground just to prove that somehow someone else was responsible for his defeat.

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    2. Re:Groping by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I'm actually wondering at this point, is he deliberately trying to cause election day violence?

      Nah- what's happening here is that he knows he's going to lose, and he's desperately groping for excuses.

      And he's trying to cause election day violence.

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    3. Re:Groping by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2

      Conservatives seem to be more concerned with hypothetical scenarios than things that actually happen. Hypothetically, a good guy with a gun might shoot a bad guy with a gun, a guy might put on a wig and enter a women's restroom to leer at girls, a Syrian refugee will show up in Chicago and vote 10 times for Clinton or set off a fission bomb, etc. The fact that these things never happen doesn't matter- if they can *imagine* it occurring, that's enough.

      It's amazing how many people are convinced of "voter fraud" without actually thinking about what it means. Voter fraud means someone stands in line, votes, then gets back at the end of the line and votes again- thus risking years in prison in order to get in one extra vote! Which is believable if you're utterly incapable of putting yourself in another person's shoes and imagining what they might be thinking.

      Ever since voter fraud paranoia took hold, governments have been policing for voter fraud more vigorously. And so far the only offenders have been conservatives trying to prove how easy voter fraud is.

    4. Re:Groping by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      And he's trying to cause election day violence.

      I'm not saying to go violent, but we have to watch, folks, because our democracy is being stolen by the media, by the government, by a bunch of lying whores too ugly to grope, by SNL, and by illegal aliens who get airlifted from Mexico to the inner cities so they can vote five times for Crooked Hillary! It's all rigged, the system is totally rigged, folks, totally rigged, and you know it's true because if Trump loses, believe me, everything is rigged, I can tell you that much.

    5. Re:Groping by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Especially SNL

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    6. Re:Groping by Radiophobic · · Score: 1

      This entire election has been about increasing his profile. He wins; he gets to be in a better position to manipulate the system towards his ends. He loses; the next season of apprentice is going to kill in ratings. Either way he stands to profit from it, at the cost of everyone else. I doubt he ever cared about winning in the first place.

  11. The actual transcripts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can be found here.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-15/here-are-hillary-clintons-three-speeches-goldman-sachs-which-she-was-paid-675000

  12. Drug test! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is asking for a drug test before the next debate. I'm loving it!

    1. Re:Drug test! by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Me, too. I'm really hoping she calls his bluff.

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  13. Re:[Smile] by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    She's probably already working on that. But either her campaign or someone related to the DNC is paying youtubers to endorse her. And sorry no, "omg, I bet that's infowars" retards. It's Phil DeFranco saying he's been offered money to endorse Clinton and so have others.

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  14. Two points ... by golodh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    (1) On reading reports of the transcripts on Fox news and CNN it's striking how moderate and sensible Mrs. Clinton's remarks are. If these transcripts are "news" I think they're good publicity for Mrs. Clinton. It shows that she'll think twice before laying into Wall Street. Regardless of whether or not you like her, her opinions and policies are well thought through and make sense.

    .

    People bashing Wall Street forget the following :

    (a) we (the electorate) have busily shaped the societal and legal environment in which Wall Street could become what it is now. Republicans have always vigorously supported business *in all of its facets) and Wall Street, with Democrats coming in closely behind. That policy has served us well, but is now starting to show some cracks. Time to figure out the minimum change required to fix that. That requires ingenuity. Lots of people see their personal interest compromised (job loss, no perspectives, feeling of not being needed by society, etc.), get "as mad as hell" and demand instant action. Well, they won't get it. Not with either candidate. One tells then they won't get instant gratification (but more of the same instead), the other does (sort of), but is so obviously clueless that his word is worth nothing.

    (b) the idea of "Give Enterprise a Free Run and only regulate when the body count becomes too high to ignore" is part and parcel of our society and our culture. There certainly is a lot of anger and an appetite for "change", but I still can't get my head around what it actually wants. It's not prepared to accept the consequence that more prevention means less freedom. Being proactive with policy, (or even enforcing existing laws aimed at e.g. environmental protection) is violently opposed (sometime literally with guns in hand). Take for example that Bundy fellow. In violation of federal laws. Lost several court cases. Shouts his head off in the counterculture media, assembles a band of rogue hillbillies that actually point guns as federal officers. Is cheered on by a certain segment of society, and actually gets away with it. Unlike a steady trickle of you-know-who's who are shot dead in or near their car by police officers for making a false move or not complying fast enough or clearly enough with officers' commands..

    (c)" Wall street is the nexus of how we as a country manage wealth. It's a giant market that can (and does) set a price on goods, services, policies, and lives. In doing that, it is a forum that co-shapes a certain part of our national decision making. In that sense it's what has always set the US apart from e.g. the Soviet Union (plan economy) or China. You don't steer or reform a market like that by dropping corporate taxes to 10% as some Republicans (among which a presidential candidate) propose, prohibiting municipalities from offering public services that compete with private enterprise (think broadband initiatives), or annulling wide swaths of environmental protection laws. You might be able to steer it by imposing regulations. Not so much regulations on how it's supposed to trade, but laws that regulate what it's trading in. Well ... try that and watch the (mostly conservative) nay-sayers come out of the woodwork in force. It's also a major source of our wealth. We need it and we should regulate it only with care and insight. To dump on a presidential candidate for displaying that insight is beyond ridiculous. It's adversarial politics.

    (d) It so happens I would have preferred Sen. Sanders to be the Democratic candidate. Or at least see a substantial part of his views acted upon and some of his policies enacted. But there is simply no support for that. The inertia of mainstream politics (well, lets be thankful for that) and Wall-street related views. So it's compromise time. We're going to get a much more business-friendly candidate. Oh, and in case anyone wishes to cavil about Wall Street's influence on politics, remember the rulings those fine Conservative gents on the Supreme Court handed down? Com

    1. Re:Two points ... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Oh noes, a voice of reason!

      If I had mod points right now... alas, I don't. Please mod parent up. Wayyyyyy up.

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    2. Re:Two points ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Assange is taking out Republicans he's the voice of reason and an important part of the Democratic process.

      When Assange is taking out Democrats he has "left the path of public service" and is a dangerous deplorable who needs to be droned.

    3. Re:Two points ... by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      If these transcripts are "news" I think they're good publicity for Mrs. Clinton. It shows that she'll think twice before laying into Wall Street. Regardless of whether or not you like her, her opinions and policies are well thought through and make sense.

      The problem is that few voters will read the transcripts. Few websites will link to the transcripts. People, generally, don't care to learn for themselves what was said, but are happy to accept the sound-bite interpretation from their favorite, echo-chamber "news" source.

    4. Re:Two points ... by NotAPK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "(a) we (the electorate) have busily shaped the societal and legal environment in which Wall Street could become what it is now."

      No we haven't. The vast majority of the population has been too busy working 2-3 jobs to make ends meet. The concentration of wealth created by Wall St has become self fulfilling, since that wealth makes it possible for banking interests to influence politics directly through lobbying, or bribery. The democratic process is significantly distorted and representation is no longer proportional.

      This is part of the problem.

      Ideas like those here are part of the solution.

    5. Re:Two points ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Assange is taking out Republicans he's the voice of reason and an important part of the Democratic process.

      When Assange is taking out Democrats he has "left the path of public service" and is a dangerous deplorable who needs to be droned.

      Let's try to swap them, shall we? Like so:

      When Assange is taking out Democrats he's the voice of reason and an important part of the Democratic process.

      When Assange is taking out Republicans he has "left the path of public service" and is a dangerous deplorable who needs to be droned.

      Applies equally well. Fancy that.

    6. Re:Two points ... by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Shaped by action, shaped by inaction. Shaped by 401k, shaped by social security, shaped by welfare?

      The system (2-party) is a mess, and congressional inaction is a huge result... which is likely the intent from the invisible hand.

      Ultimately, the problem with Wall Street is that it has gotten too big. The stock market is much less attractive today than 10/15/20 years ago because of some of the games played on the Street. This makes it much harder for kids today to build wealth, which will cause major problems for the US over the next 20-50 years.

    7. Re:Two points ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've supported Wikileaks since their inception. I've also paid attention to the response.

      When they were going after GOP scumbags, only a handful of talking heads on TV talked about droning them and the American public on both sides of the political spectrum were generally supportive of Assange and Wikileaks.

      Now that they're going after Democrat scumbags, half of Twitter and even CNN is saying it's illegal to read anything Wikileaks releases.

      So no, your little reversal here doesn't hold.

    8. Re:Two points ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that it's 99% BS.

      The entire first paragraph is just stuff, statements without anything to back them up, and the most glaringly incorrect/misleading statement is in "c", that Wall Street is the nexus of wealth management for the country.

      This shows a complete lack of knowledge about how Wall Street operates and who it serves.

      Most people's wealth is in real estate, as in their home. And your 401k is set up to benefit Wall Street, not you.

      There's nothing reasonable about most of the parent post, including the absolutely insanely stupid statement that there is simply no support for Sanders positions.

      Sanders positions are just Democratic positions, and the nation leans slightly to the left, in spite of local and state gerrymandering.

      It's people reading "reasonable" garbage like this without actually doing the thinking for themselves that is probably our biggest problem.

    9. Re:Two points ... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      You seem to have trouble distinguishing between what's real and what you'd like to be true. For one thing, the US doesn't lean even slightly to the left--it has A Slightly Right of Centrist Party and a Far To The Right Of Centrist Party.

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    10. Re:Two points ... by bongey · · Score: 1

      "We really need make a policy decision on this soon – whether we are allowing those lobbying on behalf of foreign governments to raise $ for the campaign. Or case by case.”

    11. Re:Two points ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but is now starting to show some cracks."

      There is propaganda and truth in there somewhere.

    12. Re:Two points ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before you go too far down arguing about "the vast majority of the population", you might like to check out some facts.

      Or not, of course. If you want to support post-fact politics, that's your call.

    13. Re:Two points ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw a bunch of these "Clinton looks smart if you read ..." posts. Must be a new Correct the record assignment?

      I have read a couple hundred of these leaked emails, searching by keyword. Crooked Hillary looks incompetent, yet arrogant and manipulative to me.
      In the one about Iran nuke deal, she just looks plain evil.

      Now about you: your "correct the record" PAC is subverting American democracy. You want to take away our freedom. We are not fooled.

    14. Re:Two points ... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      (1) On reading reports of the transcripts on Fox news and CNN it's striking how moderate and sensible Mrs. Clinton's remarks are. If these transcripts are "news" I think they're good publicity for Mrs. Clinton.

      Really? Because she doesn't think that or she would have released them herself. I find it far more interesting that Hillary has tried to keep these secret.

    15. Re:Two points ... by Bradbo · · Score: 1
      No, actually. Most people's wealth is not in their homes, as most people who "own" a home actually are paying off a mortgage and own only a small percentage of the home, and the rest is owned by the bank until the mortgage is paid off. If you actually fully own your own home then kudos to you, but you are in the small minority.

      The money that is paid to the bank for a mortgage over the life of a 30-year mortgage (the most common type) is usually about 300% of the actual value. These mortgage payments (present and future debt obligations) are sold into a secondary market, where they are stripped, sliced, and diced (aka. "collaterallized debt obligations or CDOs, sometimes known as mortgage-backed securities or MBSs) and traded on Wall Street. Often they are bought by pension funds, mutual funds, and other institutional investors and make up your 401k and IRA.

      So, yes, in fact most people's wealth is actually managed by Wall Street. The ones who do it really well, and help your 401k and IRA funds grow over time, or who fund your pension, are actually people who you probably want to have managing your money. Mostly they only take a small cut (management fees) for doing so.

      I am not defending the bad apples who are trying to commit fraud, or who charge high fees, but those are the ones you hear about in the news. The ones you don't hear about are quietly making your money grow.

    16. Re:Two points ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the vast majority of the population has been too busy to care about politics because intertubes, lolcats, starbucks, american idol, etc. nobody votes.

      cue the "but it's a two party system and its rigged and my vote doesn't count so who cares!" yada yada (propaganda designed to make you not vote).

      enter the rich corporate slimeballs, "hey time to take over now that we convinced everybody not to care"

      america subverted.

      rinse, repeat.....

    17. Re:Two points ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People bashing Wall Street forget the following :

      Interesting. Let's see where this leads...

      (a) we (the electorate) have busily shaped the societal and legal environment in which Wall Street could become what it is now.

      True. But what's your point?

      We need [wall street] and we should regulate it only with care and insight.

      I agree. So we should get a candidate that can do so, right?

      It so happens I would have preferred Sen. Sanders to be the Democratic candidate.

      Stopped reading right there. Opinion discarded.

  15. So far there has been nothing interesting by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    At least nothing interesting to people who have looked at Clinton's past at all. She's cozy with Wall St. Well no fucking shit. Nobody except for everyone knew that one :P

    I've been very underwhelmed with the leaks given the "bombshell" claims about them. It's all shit that was already known about her, or shit that is totally unsurprising about any politician. I can't see it changing anyone's mind.

    Now maybe I've missed something juicy or there's something major yet to come, but if there's a big thing they think will change shit, they'd better release it soon since the election is very near. A non-trivial number of people have already voted by mail, or will in the next few days.

    It seems like Wikileaks didn't really find anything great in the e-mails, and so instead is playing a PR game with them, since they don't, in fact, have a bombshell that'll have any effect on the election.

  16. Precisely by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The issue is NOT language, that's something that Trump's PR people have been trying to spin it as, and you are eating that spin if you believe it. The issue is what he's saying: That he commits sexual assault because he's a star, because he can. THAT'S the deal. The terminology he used isn't the issue, it is what he's claiming he's done.

    Trevor Noah put it pretty well: https://youtu.be/LiPjWUn-PUo?t...

    Anyone who thinks this is just "normal guy talk" needs to reevaluate who the fuck they hang out with. None of my friends have ever said anything like this. We've said vulgar things to each other, we've talked about sex, but none of us have ever said we have forced ourselves on a woman without consent. If your friends talk about doing shit like this, no matter if the language they use to describe it is crass or refined, you need better friends.

    1. Re:Precisely by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      My take on this is that while Trump may have sexually assaulted a few women, Hillary was on the side of military intervention, which AFAIC translates directly into mass rape and mass murder.

      I hate Bill Clinton not for Monica but for bombing of Yugoslavia and for further destroying the economy when he and Rubin refinanced long term fixed rate USA debt with short term variable rate bills. I cannot stand his wife for her politics, for warmongering. The Clintons came to power and became wealthy from it. She could finance her own elections better than Trump, I am sure of it, but why would she? She is in politics for personal gain only, why would she use her own Ill gotten money for that? She expects to clean up as a POTUS. Shit, maybe Trump does too, I think he is poorer than Hillary and Bill. Yet in a 2person race I would vote for him regardless of anything. AFAIC he is running against a mass murderer, rapist and a thief. Himself he maybe a thief at times, a sexual predator maybe, but he is still no mass murderer.

      This is not a 2 person race, so I would vote for Garry in this case instead.

    2. Re:Precisely by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      My take on this is that while Trump may have sexually assaulted a few women, Hillary was on the side of military intervention, which AFAIC translates directly into mass rape and mass murder.

      My take on this is that if you think Trump is some kind of peacenik then you are personally the argument for the electoral college, because that is dumber than dogshit.

      AFAIC he is running against a mass murderer, rapist and a thief. Himself he maybe a thief at times, a sexual predator maybe, but he is still no mass murderer.

      Only for lack of opportunity.

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    3. Re:Precisely by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0, Troll

      My take on this is that if you think Trump is some kind of peacenik then you are personally the argument for the electoral college, because that is dumber than dogshit.

      Only one candidate has started a war. Only one candidate has fanned the flames of war in the Middle East. Only one candidate has a spouse that started several "military actions". Only one candidate is trying to start a war with Russia. Only one candidate has never met a military action they didn't love. Only one candidate loves to talk about private and public positions. Denial is a great thing for you, isn't it drinkypoo?

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    4. Re:Precisely by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure Trump is done. That thing about grabbing pussy did him in with a lot of the conservatives that normally would have voted for him due to their mutual hatred of Hilliary. Now they'll either vote for Johnson or write someone in or just not vote for president at all. He's sure to lose failing something truly earthshaking. It does set the stage for a horrific presidency. Her opposition in Congress will use these leaks to beat the hell out of her for the next 4 years. Her presidency is damaged before it starts and the real backlash will be 2 years from now when Congress will become vastly more conservative than it now is. I imagine there's an excellent chance the Republicans will have veto power over anything she wants to do from that point on.

    5. Re:Precisely by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Denial is a great thing for you, isn't it drinkypoo?

      No, it's shit. It's shit because it leads to shit posts like yours. You're in denial if you think Trump won't do as he is told by the money. You're in denial if you think that ignoring the second part of my comment will make it go away. You're in denial if you think that I am suggesting that Clinton will be good for this country. And you're in denial if you think that Trump wouldn't be worse.

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    6. Re:Precisely by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Not really. The PussyLeaks tapes did basically nothing, becuase people who aren't virgin basement dwelling neckbeards know that yes, if you're a star, women let you just grab 'em by the pussy. That's the entire point of becoming rich and famous. While it was crudely stated, all the tapes did was confirm to people that Trump is a real guy.

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    7. Re:Precisely by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Wait, are you suggesting that if you're rich and famous, women don't just let you grab 'em by the pussy? I thought that was the entire point of becoming rich and famous.

      Why do you think Bill Clinton's intern let him use her pussy as a humidor?

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    8. Re:Precisely by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Ayup, the pussy statements put Trump right up there with Prez Kennedy.

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    9. Re:Precisely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're in denial if you think Trump won't do as he is told by the money.

      He is the money. You have criticized him for that before. Hillary's actions have caused mass death of innocents. Trump's actions have caused mass outrage.

      What boggles the mind, is why you are okay with innocent children being murdered on a massive scale for profit and political gain, but are outraged beyond reason by words spoken a decade ago in confidence that has led to much ado about nothing.

      Human life matters more.

    10. Re:Precisely by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not there is a significant portion of the conservative right that finds such behavior unacceptable. They aren't basement dwelling neckbeards but little old gray haired ladies and gentlemen that sit in church pews on Sunday and sing hymns about Jesus. You can demean them and sneer at them all you want but there are still a significant number of them and they all vote and they all vote Republican.....normally. They were willing to put up with much of Trump's crap but this is over the line. He lost a chunk of those people. I'm sure they could never bring themselves to vote for Hilliary but they wont be voting Trump either. He's done.

    11. Re:Precisely by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Kennedy was fortunate enough to live in an era when hot mikes were not much of a problem. And the press didn't hate him either.

    12. Re:Precisely by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      No, it's shit. It's shit because it leads to shit posts like yours.

      Stay classy, drinkypoo, stay classy!

      You're in denial if you think Trump won't do as he is told by the money.

      Hillary disagrees with you, she believes that rich, successful businessmen are much harder to buy, harder to influence. So - are you wrong, or is Hillary wrong?

      Only for lack of opportunity.

      Potentially, yes - but no proof of that action. On the other hand, we have an impeached potential First Spouse, who paid off one accuser (to the tune of $850,000) and lost his law license over using his authority to sexually assault an employee. And his wife, running for President, enabled that behavior by virulently attacking her political enemies ("vast right wing conspiracy"), those who were sexually assaulted, and everyone she disagreed with.

      It's OK, though - we know that for you it's words that supercede actions, it's potentials over actuals. Because it's ideology over all, right?

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    13. Re:Precisely by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      but those people understand the consequences of a clinton presidency is worse than trump grabbing pussy

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    14. Re:Precisely by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      He is the money. You have criticized him for that before.

      He is the money, but he's also in debt way beyond his cakehole. He can trivially be influenced by money.

      What boggles the mind, is why you are okay with innocent children being murdered on a massive scale for profit and political gain,

      What is unsurprising is that you would make such bullshit comments. Nothing I've said has condoned that kind of loss of life. What I've said all along is that if you think that things will change under Trump, you're not fucking thinking.

      but are outraged beyond reason

      Sigh. You really want me to be a frothing dillhole. But I'm definitely still reasoning. So are you, but you're using your power of reason to be an asshole — so stop your attempts to mischaracterize my mental state. They neither actually succeed, nor make you look clever. They just make you look like an asshole. Everyone has seen that shit before.

      by words spoken a decade ago

      I give a fuck how long ago it was if he still feels the same way, and he clearly does.

      in confidence

      What people say in confidence tends to be what they actually believe. That's worse, not better.

      that has led to much ado about nothing.

      He is literally admitting to sexual assault and you think that's nothing? Congratulations on being a proud and willing member of rape culture.

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    15. Re:Precisely by bongey · · Score: 1

      "they let me do it" is consent. Also go to any military barracks , 10x worse talk then Trump. There is a reason for "curse like a sailor".

      Oh and Trevor Noah is a twit.

    16. Re:Precisely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Anyone who thinks this is just "normal guy talk" needs to reevaluate who the fuck they hang out with."

      You are actually wrong. Go watch all 5 seasons of HBO's The Wire. Scratch that, just the first season, hell, just the first episode. Fuck, maybe the first 10 minutes.

      Trump may well be a walking unconvicted sexual assaulter (and perhaps more, perhaps much much more). But that doesn't mean that there isn't JUST POSSIBLY a second (fundamentally related) issue ALSO at play here. The news seems to be calling the overall issue "rape culture". Works for me.

      ..nuhutw..

    17. Re:Precisely by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Well the truth is we have no clue what a Trump presidency would look like. No idea at all really. It could actually be worse than a Clinton presidency as difficult as that is to imagine. I say that as someone who opposes Clinton. I think younger people are used to crude and filthy language. Words like fuck and pussy would offend my parents generation beyond belief to someone born in the last 20 years. My mother didn't like the term pregnant, preferring the phrase "I'm expecting." You underestimate the damage done by this recording. I think some of it may be wishful thinking on the part of the Trump faithful. This tape cost him a lot of voters. I never have liked him and supported him simply because I thought he'd at least shake things up and I knew the Republican elite were fucking useless. Most of them are owned by the same banks and corporations that own Hilliary. Now I wonder if there was a better option but probably not.

    18. Re:Precisely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You hate Clinton for bombing Yugoslavia? Did you ever hear of Szebriniska massacre. Serbs got what they deserved.

    19. Re:Precisely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Anyone who thinks this is just "normal guy talk" needs to reevaluate who the fuck they hang out with. None of my friends have ever said anything like this. We've said vulgar things to each other, we've talked about sex, but none of us have ever said we have forced ourselves on a woman without consent.

      I'm sorry but if you heard the recording and you hold this opinion then you're a retard.

      It's 100% clear he's joking and that's why that Billy Bush guy can be heard laughing and asking "hehe they let you do that?"

      Was it a PC comment or conversation? Definitely not. Was Donald Trump actually admitting to sexual harassment or assault? Not at all.

      Also I'd refrain to use Trevor Noah as part of any argument.

    20. Re:Precisely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While nothing in your post is specifically false, you've made your rebuttal about words. This is a fallacious argument designed to trivialize the actual issue, which is not the words themselves. Please don't fall into that trap. I should hope your parents wouldn't feel any better if he had said "I would grab them by the privates".

    21. Re:Precisely by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      And Trump admitted it, said he's sorry, and that he's changed. So those little old ladies forgive him.

      This is where liberals fail to understand conservatives or christians. I was never offended by the shit Bill Clinton did. I was offended by his lying about it. Just tell me you smoked weed and drank the bong water in the 60s, but it was a bad idea and hey kids don't do drugs. Instead I'm expected to believe "I did not inhale."

      Tracking poll shows Trump didn't lose anybody.

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    22. Re:Precisely by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      It did very little, because Trump was already losing.

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    23. Re:Precisely by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      In order to fabricate polls that show Trump losing they had to assume an electorate that was 60% female.

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    24. Re: Precisely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Trump admitted it, said he's sorry, and that he's changed.

      Tell me what other fairy tales you believe. Trump could be quoted saying something, then deny his own words in a flash, let alone actually change as a person. The man has been singing the same tune since the 1980s.

      Tracking poll shows Trump didn't lose anybody.

      Depends on how you define not losing anybody. I suppose you might twist it mean his dedicated supporters, bit it won't change the polls.

    25. Re: Precisely by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      You're thinking like you instead of thinking like a Christian. I know, you're hardcore, nevar forgive nevar forget expecto patronum. But to a Christian, somebody does something bad, admits it, says they're sorry and won't do it no more, and you move on. This is why leftists always lie and double down with their lies, and never admit their guilt: they don't forgive, or believe in forgiveness, so it never even occurs to them that someone else could forgive. Trump lost no one from the PussyLeaks, and his support went up amongst blacks, because they're the only men not so beaten down by feminist bullshit they'll still admit they like pussy.

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    26. Re:Precisely by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      My whole point is, regardless of how one might view the statement, it's doomed his election hopes. He finally crossed the line where no matter how bad Hilliary is, he's no longer electable. Yeah they would have certainly not liked it regardless of how he worded it. I wonder that a man becomes so arrogant that he could say such a thing to a reporter. What is it that makes him so insecure that he has to brag about something like that? It really kind of saddens me to see someone demean himself in such a way. I know when we were kids goofing around we'd say some really crazy shit, some of it worse that that. But we grew up. He apparently never did.

    27. Re:Precisely by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Hillary disagrees with you, she believes that rich, successful businessmen are much harder to buy, harder to influence. So - are you wrong, or is Hillary wrong?

      Actually, neither. What her words are is not wrong, but irrelevant. Yes, it's much harder to buy and influence the already wealthy. But that does not make it impossible. All it does is raise the bar to bribery up where the air is rare, and only corporate interests or those who control them (in the golden parachute club) have access to bribery. But that's where the influence stops, it doesn't make bribery impossible, so what you get is a vicious cycle where only those who can afford to buy congresscritters are able to amass large amounts of money. If you're not already in the game, you're not getting in.

      On the other hand, we have an impeached potential First Spouse, who paid off one accuser (to the tune of $850,000) and lost his law license over using his authority to sexually assault an employee. And his wife, running for President, enabled that behavior by virulently attacking her political enemies ("vast right wing conspiracy"), those who were sexually assaulted, and everyone she disagreed with.

      Trump is an indebted failing businessman (his name cannot even keep a casino or hotel open any more) who has been divorced over his abusive behavior and who deliberately stopped an alimony payment to an ex-wife who had the audacity to point this out. His wife, who would be the first lady, is essentially a foreign whore — remember, that's how he treats women. As soon as she no longer serves his aims, he'll drop her and buy another one. She's not quite a slave because she can divorce him, and as long as she says silent she might even get her alimony payments!

      And his wife, running for President, enabled that behavior by virulently attacking her political enemies ("vast right wing conspiracy"), those who were sexually assaulted, and everyone she disagreed with.

      Meanwhile, Trump is bragging about how he has sexually assaulted multiple women, and now that they might be believed, many accusers have had the courage to come forward and say that yes, in fact he has done what he has been bragging about. You're trying to draw a distinction which does not exist. Trump is guilty of sexual assault, and proud of it. If you ignore that, especially while pointing it out on the other side, you're both a complete shitbag and a compleat useful idiot.

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    28. Re: Precisely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're thinking like you instead of thinking like a Christian.

      You mean to say, that I think critically and examine the details of what a person has actually done, and I don't swallow the latest line of bullshit straight from the con-artist who is selling me a line of cow feces?

      Why thank you then.

      I know, you're hardcore, nevar forgive nevar forget expecto patronum.

      He who forgets history is doomed to repeat it. And he who gives forgiveness to the unrepentant is asking for it to happen again.

      But to a Christian, somebody does something bad, admits it, says they're sorry and won't do it no more, and you move on.

      Nope, what happened here is that Trump has said and done something too awful even for his supporters, dismissed it, made no admission of being sorry, and told the rest of us to stop bothering him about it, because how dare we! However to the Conservative Christians, since Trump is their only apparent choice since the DEVIL HILLARY is the evil option, they're stuck with believing the lie that he somehow apologized and won't act the same way tomorrow as he has for his whole life.

      This is why leftists always lie and double down with their lies, and never admit their guilt: they don't forgive, or believe in forgiveness, so it never even occurs to them that someone else could forgive.

      Yes, that's noted right-winger Trump is so open and honest about his own lies, and...admits...wait, no, he's not that at all. What never occurs to you is that people on the left can spot the lying hypocrisy on the right, through a lifetime of witnessing the professed members of the religious right behave in deceitful and unrepentant ways, so they don't keep buying it like you do. That Trump is not even good at pretending to be such a person makes it even more obvious how desperate some on the moralist side really are to keep on believing in their fairy tales.

      Trump lost no one from the PussyLeaks, and his support went up amongst blacks, because they're the only men not so beaten down by feminist bullshit they'll still admit they like pussy.

      And here I was thinking that Trump couldn't go any lower than he did with his "What have you go to lose?" approach. I only wish he was dumb enough to put forth this idea during the last debate.

    29. Re:Precisely by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Trump is guilty of sexual assault, and proud of it.

      False, and provably so. On the other hand, Bill IS proven guilty and has paid to make it go away. And Hillary IS on record as saying it was all fake...

      you're both a complete shitbag and a compleat useful idiot.

      You stay classy, drinkypoo!

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    30. Re: Precisely by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Moron, you just proved my fucking point. You said the little old Christian ladies were going to dump Trump. I told you no, they're not, because they think like Christians and not like you do. So you agree then, the Christians right or wrongly from your point of view aren't dumping Trump. Which means, the tapes didn't hurt Trump among his supporters. The only poll I think is useful for showing changes in opinion amongst the same group of people day to day is the LA Times tracking poll (samples the same group of people) and that's what it showed.

      As for the last part, here's how real black men are talking about PussyLeaks.

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    31. Re:Precisely by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

      So what does "they let you do it" mean in your vocabulary? I'm using standard American English, where "let" means consent was given, implied or otherwise.

      I don't talk like this. My friends don't talk like this. It obviously sounds like some exaggerated macho crap, but the impression he is conveying (truthfully or not, and I'm guessing "not") is that all women submit to his advances. That's what "let you do it" means. He didn't say some deeply disturbing thing about how they fight at first or something--he basically was saying he was some kind of stud god whom any woman would gladly submit to sexual contact with.

      The worst thing the left can possibly do is lie to try to make Trump look bad. You don't NEED to lie, god damn it! But you are. And people who are on the fence can easily tell that you are lying--it's just a Google away.

    32. Re:Precisely by Shane_Optima · · Score: 2

      Meanwhile, Trump is bragging about how he has sexually assaulted multiple women

      Except he didn't. He said they "let him" do it. Stop infantilizing women. Let means some form of consent was given.

      Trump is a posturing macho jackass, and this incident makes me think even less of him (as if that were possible), and I want to see him lose this election... but this is not the time to be pushing your microaggression, mind-reading , SWJ-ish definition of rape nonsense. Trump implied that these women all wanted to have sex with him and that they let him do stuff. I think Trump was lying when he said that. If there are believable accusers (and I don't say these women are or aren't believable; I haven't had time to look into it. Some of them allegedly have ties to the Clintons), I might even go so far as to say that this makes Trump look more likely to be the kind of person to commit sexual assault.

      But he did not admit or brag about sexually assaulting anyone. Anyone who Googles can see that you are lying, and that Trump was clearly implying that all of these women wanted to have sex with him. You shouldn't need to lie to destroy Trump at this stage in the game; you really, really shouldn't.

    33. Re:Precisely by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I know someone who knew a rape victim. A man broke into her home and threatened to kill her baby if she didn't let him do whatever he wanted. I'm happy to know this wasn't sexual assault.

      When a man is known to be vindictive and powerful, it can have much the same effect as an overt physical threat.

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    34. Re: Precisely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moron, you just proved my fucking point. You said the little old Christian ladies were going to dump Trump.

      Except that isn't a statement I made, I said he hadn't repented, but remained his obnoxious self, and that you might mean that he wouldn't lose his dedicated supporters, but that wouldn't change the polls either.

      I told you no, they're not, because they think like Christians and not like you do. So you agree then, the Christians right or wrongly from your point of view aren't dumping Trump.

      I agree, they aren't thinking with due consideration and sound judgments, but sticking with Trump because despite his unabashed repugnance, they still hate Hillary enough that they won't change.

      Which means, the tapes didn't hurt Trump among his supporters.

      Yes, I already noted that was what you could have meant.

      The only poll I think is useful for showing changes in opinion amongst the same group of people day to day is the LA Times tracking poll (samples the same group of people) and that's what it showed.

      There are some problems with that attitude, as well as that poll, but the only poll I think is useful will be the ones on election day. Well, ok, technically the Electoral College ballots matter, but how many of them would be dumb enough to spike the election?

      As for the last part, here's how real black men are talking about PussyLeaks.

      Like I said, you should really have Trump make THAT his message. Call him up right now and do it.

    35. Re:Precisely by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If someone apologizes and says he's changed, fine. I'm still going to be watching the guy until I see some positive change in his actions. It's easy to say things, particularly when you have Trump's regard for the truth. I'm forgiving (and have been thoroughly insulted on Facebook for it), but I'm not stupid.

      Trump lost most of the Republican establishment that was still unhappily sticking with him. He doesn't have a ground game for his campaign any more. Clinton's campaign machinery is going to to a good job of getting her supporters out to vote, and that isn't going to happen with Trump.

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    36. Re:Precisely by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I agree, I would not want to date Trump. Thankfully he's not running to be my boyfriend.

      The Republican establishment was never with him. The Republican base always was, and they're the ones who vote.

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    37. Re:Precisely by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

      Go have a beer (or some haldol) and re-read what I just said very slowly, then re-read what the OP said (which I quoted), then re-read what Trump said, bearing in mind that I'm not for Trump.

      Did Trump "brag" that he did something like that? No, no he didn't. My only point here is about how dumb it is to say that Trump said something that he clearly did not fucking say.

      This is about people lying when they summarize Trump's words. I don't say he did or did not sexually assault anyone but if you say "here's proof! He just bragged about committing sexual assault!" and I click on the link and I see him bragging that women let him touch their pussies... I know you are a liar. And/or suffering from some form of aggressive delusional disorder or perhaps some mild to moderate hallucinations.

      Raving about some terrible thing that happened to some other woman, in a situation completely unlike what Trump described, is irrelevant to this very specific issue about his words and only makes fence-sitters (and there *are* fence-sitters still out there, many of them people who voted for Obama or Kerry) think that the anti-Trump brigade is completely full of shit.

    38. Re:Precisely by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The Republican base isn't with him; that's the Trump base of disaffected people. They tended to vote and caucus Republican, although there were enough of them supporting Sanders to give him more credibility. Lots of Republicans are going to vote for not-Clinton, and probably most of them will vote for Trump.

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    39. Re:Precisely by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I read it carefully. He said that, when you're a star, you can grab women's pussies, and sure sounded like he was speaking from experience.

      You have been maintaining that "they let him" means it wasn't sexual assault. I'm bringing up an extreme case where she "let him" do anything, to emphasize that "let him" doesn't mean there was no sexual assault. Threats can be explicit, as in the case I cited, or implicit, in the form of a powerful man known for being short-tempered and possibly vindictive.

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    40. Re:Precisely by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

      I didn't say we had definitive proof of anything. I said that Trump clearly was not bragging about a rape situation. He appeared to be bragging about a "I'm so goddamn rich and awesome, women will let me fondle them" situation.

      If you think that this confirms all sorts of bad things about his character, sure. If you think this makes his accusers more believable insofar as he's describing his point of view of what was, from their point of view... I don't know. Maybe slightly, but it certainly isn't damning. Guy says he's a god amongst women, possibilities? He sucks with women. He's snivelling around them but he likes to think otherwise. He's wildly exaggerating. The list of possible interpretations of those words is a long one, and I think "bragging about raping women" is fairly far down the list.

      If this conversation came out about Bill Clinton, I wouldn't think it affected the probability of Juanita Broderick's claims (of being raped by him) of being true. We know he's a womanizer. We know Trump is a womanizer. This revelation is a minor one, and it certainly isn't a confession of anything.

  17. Re:More spin against Trump by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Informative

    Would you mean this Anthony Gilthorpe?

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  18. Get over it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hillary WILL be President. We WILL go to war with Russia. Assange WILL be killed. It's a done deal.

  19. Re:More spin against Trump by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

    Do some critical thinking. If they were false accusations, we'd be hearing accusations about incidents in the 2010s. Nobody who's making stuff up for the purpose of harming a candidate is going to pretend it happened decades ago, they're going to pretend it happened recently so they can show the guy hasn't changed.

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  20. Funny how she can't handle email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weird how the whole Clinton camp just cannot secure email. It's no wonder Clinton was using a unsecured server in her basement. I mean none of her staff had a clue how to be secure. It's like they are all technology challenged. If people would actually read this stuff it really is amazing but scary at the same time. If you didn't think Clinton was a two faced liar before. These emails definitely prove it. If we could only read a few more politician's emails. I think many will vote for Trump but not really for Trump. They vote for him as a message to government to work for the people not big business and special interest.

  21. Re:More spin against Trump by erlando · · Score: 1

    Photographic memory is a myth. http://www.medicaldaily.com/ph...

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  22. Re:More spin against Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In 1980 you killed my dinosaur. I obviously haven't made this up otherwise I would have said you killed it in the 2010s.
    Critical thinking - maybe you need to look that up.

  23. Re:Not news because it there's nothing there by guruevi · · Score: 1

    The denial is strong with this one. Not sure if you've been reading the same e-mails as the rest of the world.

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  24. Just not news because it's just nothing new by XXongo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you already hate Hillary: all that's there is "look! More emails proving that Hillary is exactly like what we've been saying she's exactly like for the last twenty years!

    If you don't already hate Hillary, all that's there is "look! More emails that really don't say anything new."

    Either way, it's just not news.

    1. Re:Just not news because it's just nothing new by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Exactly. As with "Climategate", there's simply wish fulfillment. People who have bought heavily into a conspiracy theory simply cannot accept that even evidence contrary to their beliefs in fact disproves their theory, so they will insist that the evidence against is in fact evidence for.

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    2. Re:Just not news because it's just nothing new by DeVilla · · Score: 1

      Glenn Greenwald seems to disagree. Is he a just a hater?

    3. Re:Just not news because it's just nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are absolutely right. Hillary is STILL getting paid for influence peddling, STILL denying she is lying, STILL providing cover for Bill's sexual escapades (Seen the Energizer Bunny lately? The Secret Service gave her that nickname), and Hillary is STILL wanting to be the President because she can get Top Dollar for selling out the USA. You are RIGHT, nothing new to report. DUH! Move along, people, stopping video taping and sending emails.

    4. Re:Just not news because it's just nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The part about how she advocated draining the bodies of the poor for water to water golf courses, though... that's going to sting.

  25. Apparently many here aren't paying attention to by waspleg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    REAL journalists:

    These are all from the last week or so and mostly from the hacked emails. Oldest first. Yes these people go after Trump too but as far as I'm concerned has no chance in hell anyway.

    Hillary Clinton Sympathized with Goldman Sachs over financial reform.

    What Major Donors like Goldman Sachs want from the Democratic Party (they also fucking hate Elizabeth Warren - shock.)

    Hillary Clinton repeatedly Praised Wal-Mart in paid speeches This bitch knows who signs her checks and kisses heavy amounts of ass accordingly.

    Clinton aide PLANTED ANTI-BANK COMMENTS in a paid speech to throw off reporters.

    Democrats trying to work out how to pass huge corporate tax cuts. If you read it's essentially the same thing Trump wants. Remember: same corporate hand, different puppets.

    BONUS: Hillary Clinton's encryption proposal impossible. Because she wanted secure communication between people that could still be monitored by the gov't.

    For the record I think Bernie Sanders / Elizabeth Warren would have been the dream team. Fuck Hillary and Trump both.

    PS. In case you didn't know The Intercept = Glenn Greenwald = Snowden's choice for disclosure. They're good guys.

    1. Re:Apparently many here aren't paying attention to by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that Hillary has ZERO issues with banning political speech that she doesn't like... Fascism - the meeting of Corporate and Government power, and using the result to further those wielding the power - is embodied in the Clintons.

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    2. Re:Apparently many here aren't paying attention to by bongey · · Score: 1

      My wife was shock and did the whole"but he is a socialist" when I said I could vote for Bernie Sanders. Bernie was honest guy that really seem to care.
      The US basically has socialism and he would have to work with a Rep House and Senate, which I think he would make deals to get things done.

      Democrats screwed themselves picking the Queen.

    3. Re:Apparently many here aren't paying attention to by bongey · · Score: 1

      Both the Republican and Democratic parties rejected Bernie Sanders because he lacked the qualification of being a habitual liar.

    4. Re:Apparently many here aren't paying attention to by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Both Clinton and Sanders are unusually truthful for politicians. It isn't a high bar, unfortunately.

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  26. Re:More spin against Trump by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    Alternately, you do false accusations about the (distant) past so that there's no possibility of confirming/disproving the allegation.

    Since I'm not voting the Trump no matter what, I hardly care. But I'd expect that about half the women coming forward now are doing it for the publicity, and not because they want Trump punished for his crime(s).

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  27. Re:Not news because it there's nothing there by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    Other than admission that the email scandal was, in fact, a real scandal and that the Clinton team knew that what they were doing was wrong. Or coordinating with the media to spike damaging stories. Or how the San Bernadino shooting situation would have been better if a guy named Sayeed Farouk was reporting that a guy named Christopher Hayes was the shooter.

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  28. Re:[Smile] by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Who's Phil DeFranco, and why should I care?

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  29. Embarrassing by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    "they're voting for her because of Trump or voting for Trump because of her."

    I'm embarrassed for my country that it has come to this. And yet people still won't vote for candidates other than these two clowns. At presidential debates we only see the clowns, none of the other candidates. Just ridiculous.

  30. Half? by s.petry · · Score: 2

    Come on now, everyone saw plain as day that a CNN employee gave Trump a setup question in the 2nd debate. These people were already waiting in the wings to promote the narrative. The most recent allegation has already been proven to lack merit because the person was emailing Trump and praising Trump just prior to making allegations. The oldest case lacks merit due to the age of the case and the unlikely event that in the late 70s men could freely grope women on an airplane and nobody would say anything. The alleged abuse of the former Ms Universe also turned out it lacked merit and the person making the allegations fabricated at least portions of her so called testimony. When the testimony is hear-say it is fair that we scrutinize the allegations before throwing mud.

    Lets not forget that the left in general has a long history of using bogus allegations for the purpose of winning elections. Look at the people who ran against Obama for example, where he gained a Senate seat by making up allegations weeks before elections. How about the false allegations used against Romney in his race for President. They also have a history of making allegations against their side vanish from headlines until too late. Again, Clinton is the easy target with the media claiming all of the sexual misconduct and perjury charges against him were fabricated by sluts and evil right wingers. And hey, don't all men get blowjobs from interns and use their private parts as cigar holders? You prudes that believe otherwise are nothing but right wing Religious nutjobs. Unless its the Conservative/Republican they wish to accuse.

    Once again, we have real facts to back allegations of not just Clinton's wrong doing but high ranking officials in several departments including the State Department, Justice Department, and the head of the FBI. Those are not hear-say allegations, they are based on evidence. Sure, the evidence would not be admissible on its own but it should have already resulted in Grand Jury hearings, suspensions, and confiscation of data from those same parties which could be used as evidence.

    If you are not outraged at the current system, you are a fool.

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    1. Re:Half? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, speaking of that second debate... that's the one where he tweeted about a sex tape (which doesn't exist) and then outright lied about saying it? This is your straight-shooter? If Trump can't remember (or outright lies about) what he wrote a WEEK ago, what makes you think he's going to fulfill his promises to change the system any more than Clinton?

    2. Re:Half? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Good luck with your solo Slashdot crusade, litigating Trump's multiple reported incidents. What is it now, fifteen? And new ones daily.

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    3. Re:Half? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Why is asking people to follow basic common sense and law a crusade? That is what you should be asking yourself. There is a reason we have a codified statement regarding due process and the presumption of innocence. This really should not be a crusade, but a reminder.

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    4. Re:Half? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Lets not forget that the left in general has a long history of using bogus allegations for the purpose of winning elections.

      In other words, you're accusing the left in general of Swift boating. Are you familiar with the history of that term?

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    5. Re:Half? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Which side of the term are you talking about? The side that came out and slandered the people alleging a false claim, or the side that came out with the claim to begin with? Sure, I'm familiar with the term and history has shown the Veterans to be correct and the media guilty of slandering them.

      The history of the October surprise tends to favor Democrats as the most avid users of the tactic. But hey, I'm sure you knew that already.

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    6. Re:Half? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      That's not what my efforts at finding the truth then came up with, and the Wikipedia article agrees with me. It would appear that you're delusional, and I hope you get over it.

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  31. Re:More spin against Trump by mark-t · · Score: 1

    It seems that the unstated assumption that is made, which may be entirely correct, but still appears to be an assumption,is that Stromeyer's claims about the woman being able to look at two different images 24 hours apart and mentally fuse them into a single one is false. Granted, the lack of reproducibility does lend this assumption some credibility, but why doesn't the article come out and simply say that is what they are assuming instead of dancing around it with a whole bunch of jibber jabber about how memory works?

  32. WHOLLY BIAS BATMAN! by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Web Site Title: Progressive news and media coverage on Crooks and Liars (From DNS: here.) Owned and operated by the Progressive Rag Huffpo's own John Amato.

    When you start with a bias you end with a bias. Shill much? Yeah...

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    1. Re:WHOLLY BIAS BATMAN! by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Not shilling for anybody. I chose that article because it's slightly more complimentary than Gilthorpe's Wikipedia entry.

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  33. Just listen to the media about it, nothing else by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    After all, CNN claims it's illegal for us to read them, but it's different for them. So just trust CNN/MSNBC/ABC/NYT to summarize and give you the information you need to know. They won't steer you wrong!

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  34. How is that news? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    FTA (summary): Clinton came under fire for months for not releasing full details of her paid speeches...

    Well, duh. People paid to hear the speeches – and their content. Why would she later release the content to all "for FREE"?

    Any regular speaker, especially a paid one, recycles content from one private speech to the next.

  35. Re:More spin against Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, that Anthony Gilthorpe. What of it?

    That site has nothing but attack articles on Trump. Seems a bit biased and politicially one-sided, no? I mean, if it were really about "crooks and liars" there's surely a lot to write about on Hillary. Yet, suspiciously absent.

    The article does nothing to discredit Gilthorpe's claim at all, other than he performed some deviant sexual acts when he was a minor. The author goes on to state that Gilthorpe's claim shouldn't be believed because he has no evidence other than his word. Yet, we are supposed to believe Leeds' story, simply based on her word.

    Once again, the pro-Clinton camp caught being deceitful hypocrites.

  36. Both? by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but the email scandal has been ongoing for 2 years and is not a new revelation or allegation. The only new part is that emails have now been leaked which seem to give credence to the earlier concerns of corruption and collusion.

    These two sets of allegations are in no way equal, and the weight of these implications has completely different outcomes for the United States of America. If Trump is guilty of groping women we have a candidate who as worst case would be similar to the Progressive/Democratic hero Bill Clinton. In the other case, we have a complete collapse of the United States of America. Open collusion with money to install a person of their choosing instead of the People's voice in a Democracy. Open borders and the destruction of the struggling lower and middle classes. Selling of State influence to the highest bidder so that the installed candidate can enrich themselves as they see fit (assuming they continue to do the bidding of the money that got them into office). It's is a Banana Republic verses a Democratic Republic.

    I'll give you that one side is a distraction, but not the other. Their own words are corroborating allegation, it's not just hear-say.

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    1. Re: Both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't qorry, there's plenty more to criticize about Trump, it's just that people find his recorded conversations to be more salacious. He's basically validating everything people believed about his true character. It wasn't anything new. The only thing it changed was that some of them had to stop lying to themselves.

      But if you want, we could talk about hid policies. Though I doubt you will be able to address his bombastic tone he adopts towards it. That'll likely come up again on Wednesday. Even when he may have a good idea, his overblown way of handling it does not inspire confidence in those who find his arrogance to be worrisome.

      It's like this commercial I'm watching, no matter how good the product, the over the top way it is being sold is less than convincing.

      But so far as it goes, when a person espouses the view that Trump probably can't do what he promises, that they don't want him to do it, that they'd just rather vote for him rather than Hillary Clinton, well, that speaks volumes.

    2. Re:Both? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      We know Bill Clinton is a jerk to women, but he hasn't admitted to committing sexual assault. Some of us also realize that he isn't running for any political office.

      Open collusion with money to install a person of their choosing instead of the People's voice in a Democracy

      What do you think is anything new or special about this? It's been happening all my life, and probably lifetimes before mine.

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    3. Re:Both? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Like it or not, Hillary is bringing Bill with her and has given that statement as a reason to vote for her. She stated for all to hear in the last debate that Bill would be involved in policy aspects. This is quite different than the role a first lady is given for the Office of President. Bill has no legal power but will be establishing and working on Policy by Hillary's own words.

      For your 2nd item I can only point you to the US Constitution and Bill of rights. Funding of candidates has always been a part of politics, but politicians have always had to sell themselves to the public. Even Obama had to sell his bullshit line about Hope and Change to get the public to vote (later we found it to be bullshit but many believed it when he said it). The Democratic platform overwhelmingly supported Obama over Clinton in both 08 and 12 because public opinion matched. Hillary is a straight up appointee where the public has been ignored. Again, try to find facts. You can do it all by yourself if you try, this conversation is dull at this point and it seems like you are trolling.

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    4. Re:Both? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Okay, please point out the parts of the Constitution (including the Bill of Rights) that specify how elections are to be conducted. It's all up to the states. You can point me at the Constitution or the Lord of the Rings; they say much the same things about the mechanics of US elections. Would you care to say something relevant about the role of money in politics over my lifetime (and a long time before)?

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  37. Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will be OK Trump voters. If your sad on election night just grab yourself by your genitalia!!!! The Donald would approve!!!!

  38. It wouldn't have changed any minds then by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    there's nothing in these leaks we didn't already know. Clinton's been cozy with Walstreet for always. There are people who like that. There are _lots_ of people who are economically conservative but socially liberal. The Dems take those guys in. That, more than any shenanigans, is why Bernie lost. The Millennials like him because he promised to wipe out their massive student loan debt, where all Clinton wanted was to refinance their debt a bit. But our right wing woulda freaked out as soon as adds with Bernie saying he's a (Democratic) Socialist started running non-stop.

    Much as I liked Bernie (waited 3 hours in line to vote for him in my primary) he never had a chance in primary or general. America is just too conservative. Too many old people who wanna keep gov't out of their Medicare and such :(...

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  39. There's a multi million dollar campaign by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    run by Fox News and right wing think tanks (our right wing has lots and lots of think tanks) to shut her down. They've known for ages she was gonna run for president and they've got near unlimited amounts of money so attacking her always made sense. If you've bought into even a little of that it's been getting hammered into your skull for 20 years.

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  40. If Trump hadn't been but off balance by by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    the grouping allegations (#9 just stepped forward this weekend) then this would be part of a broader narrative that would be making people leery of Hillary. Nobody likes her. Mostly because she's very impersonal. She's all business. I forget who but somebody pointed out that her problem is that all she does is work. You might like that person in the office because you can dump your crap on them and go home early but you don't wanna hang out with them.

    American Politics is mostly a popularity contest. That's because we've got a 45/45 ideological split with around 5-10% up for grabs amount likely voters. Those likely voters aren't thoughtful though. They're wishy-washy. They don't have any strong beliefs one way or the other. So they let feelings sway them. The practical consequence is that gut feelings and not beliefs decide our elections :(...

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  41. You can go look 'em up if you want by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    but the few analysis I've read are pretty dull. It's everything you think it is and nothing more. She says Goldman Sachs et al should have a lot of influence on the economy and tells 'em how great they are. This is nothing we didn't already know. Heck, for a lot of economic conservatives it makes them feel better about Hilary, not worse. And yes, the Dems have plenty of economic conservatives. There really isn't much of an American left wing and what little there is is too divided...

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  42. Um, out of context and incomplete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump said that in the context of explaining how solid his support was with his followers - and he ALSO said in another speech that the same was true for Hillary.

    Does ANYBODY doubt that both are true and that the firm Hillary-types will stay with her no matter what and the hard Donald-types will stick with him no matter what?

    The guy was simply making honest statements about the state of our current politics and the successes for both Donald and Hillary in establishing very dedicated support with sizeable portions of their bases. You Trump haters love to take that statement out of context and ignore the Hillary on and then leave the reader to assume Trump is some psycho-machine-gun-killer from a horror film.

    1. Re:Um, out of context and incomplete by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Trump said that in the context of explaining how solid his support was with his followers - and he ALSO said in another speech that the same was true for Hillary.

      Does ANYBODY doubt that both are true and that the firm Hillary-types will stay with her no matter what and the hard Donald-types will stick with him no matter what?

      The guy was simply making honest statements about the state of our current politics and the successes for both Donald and Hillary in establishing very dedicated support with sizeable portions of their bases.

      Bold is my emphasis.

      Your reply is, quite sadly, true.

      Note that I did not offer support for one candidate or the other, but simply stated a relevant fact. I hadn't heard that he made the same statement about Hillary—do you have a source? If you do, I will cry because the statements are indeed pretty much true.

  43. Garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As offensive as his statement, it's not that much more offensive the the streams of expletives Hillary used to spout in the 90s, and that probably most politicians and entertainers emit from their pie holes when they think they're not being recorded. As bad as it was, Trump did not say he attacked women against their will, he says that they LET HIM. We all know perfectly well that there are in fact women who are attracted to fame, fortune, and/or power and who will tolerate a hell of a lot from men with those things. Ever heard of rock stars or movie stars? There are entertainers who have had this exact same attitude towards women and who are currently fawned-over by the Clintons and the Obamas and many of their supporters, and a bunch are actively supporting Hillary. This whole scenario is exactly why lots of young men learn to play a guitar. Hillary herself and all her supporters spent the 1990s demanding that all the stuff Bill Clinton was accused of, and actually ultimately admitted to was "just about sex"and had NOTHING to do with his suitability to held the office of President. Hillary and Bill trotted the entire presidential cabinet out onto the Rose Garden for a press conference to the effect. Every Democrat in the United States Senate voted to not remove Bill from office, insisting that his sexual misconduct was a non-issue and they would not remove him from office for all the related criminality he engaged in to cover it all up (his coverup was what was criminal and what he was impeached for, not the underlying sexual activity).

    Saying that a groupie will allow herself to be groped and more by a rocker is NOT a comment on what that rocker would do to the typical female non-groupie. This whole thing is being driven this year as part of the "war on women" thing to try to energize female support for Hillary and the thing is in overdrive because Hillary, being female, is not vulnerable to a counter-strike of unsubstantiated attacks as a male candidate would be.

    Interestingly, The tape was made back when Trump was a friend of the Clintons and hanging out with them, and Access Hollywood has always had it and known what was on it, yet made no use of it. I guess it was a non-issue while he was a presumed Democrat.

    It's also interesting that the Democrats are demanding nobody pay attention to the wikileaks emails because they were private thoughts never intended to be made public and thus we should not use their contents to make any assumptions about the beliefs, actions, and character of Clinton and her team. Then they spin on a dime and tell us that the tape of Trump (also apparently a private conversation never intended to be publicly aired) should be our main point of info about Trump's nature, actions, fitness, etc.

    Personally, I'm much more concerned about the economy, national security, and so forth. I just got my new health insurance paperwork and Obamacare is turning out to be EVERYTHING the Republicans warned it would be. My coverage next year will be less than this year, I have fewer alternatives, and the price is going up nearly 30%

  44. Liar by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Liar

    The sex tape is freely available because it was aired on public TV. He did not lie about telling people to look, he told the biased moderator that he pointed at a publicly aired TV show demonstrating the character of the person making the apparently false allegation of impropriety.

    Try really hard to establish facts during dialogue instead of pretending everything you hear is true.

    The Progressive Trolls are all over this post, you appear to be just another dumbass.

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    1. Re:Liar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a sex tape. That's her being part of a Big-Brother style show where she just happened to hook up with someone else. It's not like the actual act was filmed in explicit detail to be called a 'sex tape'. It also has no reflection on her character, and defending someone who tries to use it to do so is just as reprehensible as the one making the claim.

      I WATCHED the debate. His Tweet literally said ("check out sex tape"), then Trump literally said on national TV, "no it wasn't 'check out a sex tape'". There's nothing for me or you to spin here. These are all his own words, taken completely in context.

    2. Re:Liar by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      The sex tape is freely available because it was aired on public TV.

      It was a reality show, asshole. And even if it was a sex tape it would be no excuse for Trump's behavior.

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    3. Re:Liar by s.petry · · Score: 1

      So character assassination is fine if it's the person you dislike. Got it!

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  45. wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump did not brag that he grabbed women without their consent, he explicitly said that they LET him because he was rich and powerful.

    There is no bragging about tying a woman up, locking her in a room, beating her up, etc.

    Bill Clinton, on the other hand, was accused of physically restraining and raping, trapping in a room and exposing, and lots more ACTUALLY predatory conduct, other than his consensual ( but textbook "sexual harrassment" by virtue of the "power imbalance" between POTUS and an intern) relations with Monica. Hillary Clinton, all the Democrats in congress, all the feminist groups, and much of the media agreed that what Bill did was not a disqualifier for him being President.

    While Bill Clinton's victims had evidence of his actions, from the time of those actions, the current batch of Trump accusers have no such evidence.

    While Bill Clinton's victims were mostly his former supporters, like Jaunita Broderick (who claims to have been raped by Bill and was found battered and with torn clothes by a friend who is on the record from that time) and Kathleen Willey who was a Clinton campaign volunteer, The Trump accusers are not former Trump supporters - most are feminist Clinton supporters eager to get the 1st woman president elected. This may mean nothing, but it's certainly a motive to lie and should be considered when the facts do not support their stories.

    Trump has never made a secret about his life or his penchant for fashion models, so nobody should be surprised that he likes pretty women, but its suspicious when a rich guy who has provably had no trouble landing 3 models as wives is suddenly accused of groping a bunch of average women years ago with no physical evidence and a rather convenient lack of witnesses and details right before an election and well-synchronized to the leaks of data hurtful to his opponent.

    MoveOn.org was launched to tell Americans to just "move on, it's just about sex"

    What's changed?

  46. um, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every media outlet other than Fox is currently running approx 30-to-1 airtime hostile to Trump, and half the people on Fox are "Never Trumpers" (the station is sadly littered with Bush-era Republicans and has very few who are either Reaganites or Trump supporters. The only full-on Trump supporters on the air on Fox are Sean Hannity, and Janine Piro.

    Sean Hannity is an openly-partisan editorial guy, rather than a reporter, and promised his viewers he would support whichever GOP candidate won the primaries. In the primaries, he seemed to be pumping Trump, but he actually complained that most other candidates were less-available whereas Trump was an open guy would go on any time with any host (as history proves with all those MSNBC Morning Joe, and old Howard Stern interviews).

    Janine Piro is not a reporter and runs a weekend opinion show. She has openly stated on-air many times that she has been a personal friend of Trump for many years. This makes her more honest than the late Walter Kronkite who was supposedly an unbiased journalist and never disclosed to his viewers on air that he was a personal family friend of the Kennedys.

    As for unlimited money: Hillary may end up spending $2 Billion in this race (it's what she bragged she would spend). She's been out-spending Trump by 10-to-1 and has many media outlets working full-time for her. The multinational mega-corporations she serves have trillions of dollars on the line and they are going to expect a payback when they get her into office.

  47. so, then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What makes those speeches worth tens of thousands of dollars per minute?

    What were those Wall Street bankers getting for their money? hmmmmm?

    government policy perhaps?

    Certainly, she is no stunning orator. People do not weep with joy at the dulcet tones of her voice.

    Certainly, she is no amazing entertainer, although she does seem able to make amazing piles of money disappear.

    Certainly, she has never invented anything, composed anything, or built anything.

    What were those Wall Street bankers getting for their money?

    What are those Wall Street bankers and foreign tyrants going to get for their money?

  48. Corruption? How about killing people? by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    If Hillary Clinton wins the presidency, she'll be entering office as a war criminal having achieved that status well prior. She has backed possibly every war the US is engaged in and shows no signs of pulling the US out of its many occupations. Her belligerent stance on Syria, for instance, is to push for a "no-fly zone" which she acknowledges (to her bankster friends who also bankrolled Pres. Obama's candidacy) will "kill a lot of Syrians". Patrick Cockburn disagrees any US president would actually do this, but that doesn't stop her from making it known she is fine with the bombastic talk. She'll continue all of Obama's wars just as Obama continued and expanded G.W. Bush's wars. We don't know precisely where she'll expand US wars to, but it's likely to be some other poor country just as Obama expanded wars into Yemen. She'll continue the extrajudicial assassinations of Obama's drone wars (which Obama engaged in far more than Bush, making the drone wars a hallmark of Obama's presidency).

    The drone strikes deserve some special attention because so few people seem to know about them. If any other country did this the US would have no problem identifying them as "state-sponsors of global terror" or calling them "terrorists". Each of these wars kill a lot of women and children (putting into perspective how much Clinton cares about women), including Americans (as we've seen with the Al-awlakis, such as killing a father and son 2 weeks apart in separate drone attacks) without due process. And the drones kill completely unsuspected innocent passers-by (such as one infamous wedding party attack. The US kills so many civilians they can't keep track of them all but are clearly ashamed by the deaths so they released (on a Friday before a holiday weekend when mainstream corporate media are least likely to carry the story) an internal assessment of civilian killings in U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and Libya (including those killed including during Clinton's stint as Secretary of State). In that assessment we find an undercount due to the US reclassification of any military-age male as an "enemy combatant" in a desperate attempt to reduce the civilian death toll. There's every reason to expect more of the same from Hillary Clinton should she become president.

    Domestically, Clinton's anti-poor/anti-working-person policies are bound to worsen the plight of women. Taking so much money from global banks ensures a continuation of no prosecutions for global banksters, no matter what fellow Democrat Sen. Elizabeth Warren says. Global trade pacts will help the US more efficiently exploit the poor. The TPP is a fine example of this: the TPP was known to, and does, receive massive international disapproval hence the TPP negotiations and early drafts were done in secret even keeping US congresspeople in the dark. Regardless of what Clinton says or hints to the US public, Clinton picked a pro-TPP vice presidential candidate in Tim Kaine and Clinton picked TPP boosters in her cabinet setup committee. It's hardly surprising that in April 2015 TheIntercept.com reported that "TPP Propon

  49. Re:More spin against Trump by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    There is enough known about memory to know that the only "photographic" memory is what some researchers call the "sensory registry" which is a form of short term memory that lasts at best a few seconds, and holds a sensory "image" (whether visual, auditory, tactile, etc.), by the time memories are even shuffled into short term memory, the memories have already been encoded. Memories shuffled off to long term memory are what you might call heavily compressed, and when the brain accesses them, it uses its knowledge of the world to reassemble a coherent narrative. It is because of the nature of declarative memories that they are susceptible to being altered, and it is why witness testimony can be so faulty, and why when questioning witnesses, it is critical to do it correctly, and keep multiple witnesses apart, because failure to do both can often taint even very recent memories.

    That's not to say that we can't remember events fairly accurately, but we should always be conscious of the fact that what we are "remembering" isn't a video playback, but rather a compressed and encoded pieces of information that are put back together by the brain when a memory is recalled.

    It's for this reason that various claims surrounding "repressed memories" have been so regularly debunked, and why when you hear about someone put under hypnosis and who recounted his parents being Satanists that murdered a baby, you're listening to fabrication, usually unintentional on the subject's part, but also usually involving the hypnotist basically creating a whole series of suggestions which the subject's brain uses to assemble a memory of a situation which never happened.

    Now, that all being said, that doesn't mean that memory is completely faulty. Obviously it isn't, and we can recall events relatively well, particularly where we actively commit them to memory or they were of some significance (i.e. the birth of one's child, or, say, being groped by Donald Trump), but it does raise the question as to why an observer would have such vivid memories countering that.

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  50. Who needs wikileaks? by dbreeze · · Score: 1

    Just track down those who've actually dealt with the "help" of the Clinton Foundation and see what their story is..... http://fusion.net/story/357169...

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  51. just coins made of bits of matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smith: "What good is a phone call, if you don't have a mouth to speak".

    Enjoy the 25 cents worth of rent while and how you can.

  52. Really. Nothing there by XXongo · · Score: 1
    But none of those are either real or interesting.

    The first one, "admission" about the e-mail scandal, was exactly the opposite of what you said: it was an e-mail from Tanden saying that the attacks on Clinton weren't on the level. The second one is the Clinton campaign responding to a request for comments from the New York Times. Uh, if you are unaware that newspapers ask for comments from people they run stories about, you aren't aware of very much about journalism. The next two are simply the campaign staff discussing stories in the news.

    Really: this is not news because it is boring and there is nothing there.

    This is the scandal? The Clinton campaign staff discuss the day's news?

  53. Re:More spin against Trump by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Nobody who's making stuff up for the purpose of harming a candidate is going to pretend it happened decades ago, they're going to pretend it happened recently so they can show the guy hasn't changed.

    Of course, there are recent incidents too. And this kind of thing has been going on recently.

    This is one sick perv, and so close to the nuclear codes.

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  54. Take too long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To say Wikileaks Dump, given how often it happens, I vote we just call it either "a Wikileak" as in, " Clinton emails Wikileaked this week," or a Wikidump, as in, "Hillary emails released in massive Wikidump this morning.

    This will of course naturally lend itself to use of the term in a scatalogical context. "Not now, I have to go take a Wikileak" or "I'm gonna go take a Wikidump."

    1. Re: Take too long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This will end up supplanting my current euphemism, I'm going to redirect output to /dev/null-null.

      (I heard somewhere that "null-null" is German slang for "the toilet.")

  55. News Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is nothing new. Everyone knows that HRC is in the pockets of Wall Street and Big Business. This simply does not matter.

  56. Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny how an article about obvious collusion between Clinton and Wallstreet, the 'too big to fail' crowd has been derailed in the comments section with Trump's p@@sy comment.

    Remember when everyone hated what Wallstreet did in 2008 so much that everyone across gender and racial divides joined forces to try to cause change?

    Of course, the movement imploded because special interest groups managed to wrest control of it, but the point stands...why does everyone seem to love someone so incredibly entrenched with that crowd?