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Hillary Clinton's Campaign Creates Way To Make Money From Donald Trump's Tweets (adweek.com)

Hillary Clinton's campaign has created a new fundraising tool called Troll Trump that lets supporters sign up to automatically donate money to the campaign when Donald Trump tweets. Adweek reports: The tool's landing page populates a new Trump tweet each time the site is refreshed to offer a sampling of the candidate's social media style. "Show Donald that his unhinged rhetoric comes at a cost," according to the Clinton campaign's website. "Sign up to donate to Hillary's campaign every time Donald tweets!" The idea was apparently inspired by a tweet by Matt Bellassai, a former BuzzFeed editor and social media star, who made a joke on Twitter threatening to donate to the campaign every time Trump tweets. (When the tool went live, Teddy Goff, a digital strategist with the Clinton campaign, tweeted Bellassai a thank-you.)

331 comments

  1. Hmmm... by galabar · · Score: 1

    Red headline (with no responses) during the debate...

    1. Re: Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clinton finds another way to make money. Trump finds new way to be offensive. Man bites dog.

    2. Re:Hmmm... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Trump is now utterly crushed, he was a total failure in all the debates, even breitbart has Clinton wining todays debate 62-38.

      No it doesn't.

      It's bad form to make up shit that anyone can verify in 2 seconds.

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    3. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at the time I posted, that was exactly the Breitbart result at that time.
      How very Trumpian of you.

  2. Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Trump should just flood post and waste the money of every person who participates.

    I hate Trump, but I hate Hillary even more.

    1. Re:Stupid by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Well, you're going to have a bad time in 3 weeks.

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    2. Re:Stupid by x0ra · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'm already oiling my guns and loading my mags. Wanna come and get them ? Just *try* ;-)

    3. Re:Stupid by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Funny

      Internet Tough Guy detected.

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    4. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Haha, you are a living joke sir.

      Oil your guns and sit in the corner stroking them while you jump at shadows, you sad... sad man.

    5. Re:Stupid by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      Funny that people think loading guns is really a threat.
      When you post such things people know you have guns.
      If you work, it is easy enough for anybody to come and get your guns while you are out.

      They might even leave a thank you for loading them all up before they take them.

    6. Re:Stupid by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I'm already oiling my guns

      heh heh so am I, nudge nudge wink wink, know what I mean? say no more.

      Oh you're serious? In that case, might I interest you in a subscription to the following magazine:

      http://rationalwiki.org/w/imag...

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    7. Re:Stupid by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      LOL. You're the same fucking idiot who was paying 10x for ammo when Obama took office.

      The gun companies sucked you dry. I hope you enjoyed it.

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    8. Re:Stupid by GTRacer · · Score: 2

      Do you 2A zealots really believe Clinton is coming for existing guns? Has that ever been part of her approach to gun control?

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    9. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOBODY IS TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS IDIOT
      I know you want them to try because then there would actually be a point in wasting so much time and money on them, but seriously, nobody wants your guns.

    10. Re:Stupid by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Nop, I've already had a few thousands rounds pilled up.

    11. Re:Stupid by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Clinton is very much for an Australian-like gun grab, so you're wrong...

    12. Re:Stupid by x0ra · · Score: 1

      did you consider I might have gun & ammo buried in the woods ?

    13. Re:Stupid by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      Interesting.

      3 thoughts.
      1. Why not buried under your house or in a big safe in your house?
      2.. Hope you don't get in an accident where you whack your brain and have trouble remembering things.
      3. Watch our for those goofy people with metal detectors looking for coins and artifacts.

      hahahaha

    14. Re:Stupid by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      The South Will Rise!

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    15. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, she is, and yes, it has been. She will simply appoint Supreme Court Justices who determine Heller is a bad decision, and soon most weapons in circulation will be deemed illegal. Illegal "semi automatic","assault weapon", etc. Technology from , oh, 1900 or earlier.
      If that's not "coming for them", I'm not sure what is. She's been quoted saying as much. If you mean will she personally come to my house and take them, no. She will rely on underlings to show up and take them.
      I know you enjoy feeling smug, saying "oooh, they're takin' er guns!" and all that, but that's like me coming on Slashdot and saying "Do you really think the US government wants to monitor your internet traffic?"

    16. Re:Stupid by YouGotTobeKidding · · Score: 1

      Jesus christ you are stupid. She literally has said and done that every chance she gets... or do you not remember the assault weapons ban that the clinton's pushed through the last time they were in power? Do not you even remember early this year when she praised Australia for their gun grab?

  3. In the pocket of Wall Street by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Now the Queen of Fraud has found another way to bilk taxpayers out of their hard-earned money. Just remember that your Clinton Presidential Campaign donations fund her warmongering plans which will trigger World War 3!

    1. Re:In the pocket of Wall Street by NatasRevol · · Score: 1, Informative

      Bilk? They have to sign up for it.

      But nice, stupid try.

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    2. Re: In the pocket of Wall Street by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Yes comrade; mention her funding of ISIS.

    3. Re:In the pocket of Wall Street by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia got a hold of all those speeches and the transcripts were made and fronted through Wikileaks. And the GOP operatives and rightwing websites have been reading them with a magnifying glass.

      Shocking revelations so far? Zero.

      Awwwwww.... turns out HRC is a pro. And to the bankers in the audience, they were giving her school lunch money.

  4. so trump could by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    bankrupt clinton donors by doing what he does best.. being a raging lunatic that can't shut up.

  5. oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-19/hillary-clinton-linked-mysterious-front-associated-julian-assange-pedophile-smear

    1. Re:oops by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Just to note, it looks like that may be the address of a registered agent, so the connection is less strong than it looks, though it's still an odd coincidence.

      The rest of the story is just nuts, though and hard to make sense of. How many other shady porn sites that are UN partners and just what kind of cam girl leaves their 8 year old sister alone with the camera!?

    2. Re:oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge#Readership.2C_views.2C_and_stances

      A conspiracy theory from a source with a history of posting unverifiable conspiracy theories with persistent bias. I guess I see why this post is listed as Insightful instead of Informative, but still...

    3. Re:oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.snopes.com/san-francisco-tech-assange/

      It's almost like businesses change addresses.

    4. Re:oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an initiative for businesses. Why they joined, I don't know, but literally any business can get membership. I don't know about the pedophilia allegations. I don't know why the company published a weird report that got them delisted. But I really, really don't know why anyone is taking Julian Assange's word that the nearly incomprehensible and borderline insane e-mails he claims to have received are genuine.

  6. Proverbial by dontbemad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A fool and his money are soon parted.

    1. Re:Proverbial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Richard J. Daley's Corollary:
      "A fool and his vote are soon parted."

    2. Re:Proverbial by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

      More evidence that Trump isn't worth a penny.

  7. Trump Spam! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hulk smash, I mean, Trump spam!!

  8. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why bother? Clinton has this thing locked up.

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      According to who?

      Trump just nailed yet another debate. The polls are all being done by the same media that's biased against Trump. People don't want to admit to supporting Trump because Hillary supporters are prone to acts of violence against Trump supporters. Don't forget that Clinton's campaign sent thugs to pretend to be Bernie supporters to cause riots at Trump rallies.

      Wikileaks isn't done leaking material yet. Ecuador (at John Kerry's request) may be trying to delay them, but there are contingencies in place. The information will be released. October isn't over and the October Surprise hasn't been released yet.

      538 shows Hillary having around an 85% chance of winning - which is high, but that means Trump has a 15% chance, which is the same as rolling a 18, 19, or 20 on a 20-sided die. It's easily possible.

      Just wait and see. November 8th is still three weeks away, there's still time to finally break through the mainstream media's pro-Clinton firewall.

    2. Re:Why? by nomadic · · Score: 0

      "Trump just nailed yet another debate." Hahahahaahahahaaahahahaaaaaahahaaa.

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wikileaks isn't done leaking material yet.

      November 1st is the date to watch.

    4. Re:Why? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      The polls are all being done by the same media that's biased against Trump.

      Really?

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    5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "According to who?"

      Whom, actually.

    6. Re:Why? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trump just nailed yet another debate.

      Strange, it looks like he admitted defeat to me. Why else not agree to accept the result? That's what a child does when they know they are going to lose.

      there's still time to finally break through the mainstream media's pro-Clinton firewall.

      The mainstream media, especially Fox and other right leaning "news" outlets, have been attacking Clinton for decades. They gave extensive coverage of the email scandal, Benghazi, her husband's actions and the allegations against him... You can't honestly say that they have been easy on her, or given her a free pass because they don't report outlandish conspiracy theories about the number of people she has had murdered (although Fox mentioned it).

      The simple fact is that she got her dirty laundry out years back and people have lost interest now, not that it was ever as bad as some make out. But Trump doesn't have a history in politics so there is more dirt left to unearth. The fact that a lot of the stuff he says is clearly off the cuff on issues any serious politician would have nailed down a position on just invites scandal and ridicule too.

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    7. Re:Why? by halivar · · Score: 2

      I think it's time we retired the word "whom" for lack of use. "Who" in this sense is more intuitive. Besides, we need fewer "special case" words.

    8. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Strange, it looks like he admitted defeat to me. Why else not agree to accept the result? That's what a child does when they know they are going to lose.

      Because the elections haven't happened yet and you'd be a fool to agree to the results of something that hasn't happened yet?

      If the elections are carried out in a fair way and it's clear that the American people don't want Trump, I'm sure he'll accept the elections. But it isn't at all clear that's going to happen yet, and based on the way Hillary handled the primaries, there's a very good chance that there will be irregularities in the election results.

      Trump is refusing to lock himself into saying he's going to accept the results of a process that hasn't happened yet and is up against perhaps the most corrupt candidate the nation has ever seen.

      So it's easily possible that Trump might "lose" the elections despite having the overwhelming support of the real American people. We'll have to wait and see.

    9. Re:Why? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Strange, it looks like he admitted defeat to me. Why else not agree to accept the result? That's what a child does when they know they are going to lose.

      I took it as a warning to the Democrats. The Dems have a long, long history of voter fraud and Trump is putting them on notice that he's wise to their schemes, and we're not taking it this time.

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    10. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hillary supporters are prone to acts of violence against Trump supporters." Hahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaahahaahaaahahaahahaaaa (and breathe)

    11. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, the word is already effectively retired. We're just too close to it to know yet.

      I doubt even 1% of the English speaking world use it at all, not even on so much as an annual basis...

    12. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would he accept the result? I dunno -- why didn't Gore accept the result in 2000? Was it simply that Clinton advised him not to or was there a more sinister motive?

    13. Re:Why? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      I also thought that answer was a bit peculiar too since we recently had a contested election. On the one hand, you can't say that you will blindly accept any nonsense with no question. On the other hand, you can't completely destroy the idea of a peaceful transition of power.

      People still have rights. Something bad may happen to you, but you don't have to take it lying down. You can fight it through perfectly civilized means.

      You don't have to let people walk all over you.

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    14. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it all comes down to a razor thin margin in a swing state... fine, I (and probably most) people would accept a recount in that circumstance. But that is sort of a given. As a matter of fact, that's all that Trump had to say. Instead he was as evasive as any politician when answering a question that he doesn't want to answer. Oh, but he is an outsider who doesn't do all that political theater... right?

    15. Re:Why? by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      And betting markets show the same pattern as with Brexit -- more overall money on Hillary, but more individual bets on Trump.

    16. Re:Why? by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 1

      If the elections are carried out in a fair way and it's clear that the American people don't want Trump, I'm sure he'll accept the elections.

      Given the way he's been acted in the past when losing that's not something to be so sure about.

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    17. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation needed

    18. Re:Why? by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      They might want to hurry up with their October surprise. Here in Colorado, we do voting by mail and I just received my ballot the other day.

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    19. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the US president starts wars and assassinates people almost daily to determine who comes to power in other countries, demonstrating this capability in the domestic election would be the strongest proof of qualification for Oval Office.

    20. Re:Why? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1
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    21. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I honestly don't think he does political theater -- I don't think he's smart enough to. I wonder if that's the root of a lot of people's / the press' misconceptions about him. He isn't a xenophobe or a racist or whatever other kind of ist he's being labeled as at the moment. He's wildly hyperbolic and says weirdly random stuff because he's a fucking idiot. He's obviously got some degree of business acumen (though the amount is certainly debatable -- perhaps he has good advisors / managers below him?) but otherwise he seems incapable of either learning or, half the time, actually delivering a coherent thought.

      Personally, I have no use for either the type of corrupt politician they write jokes about or a simpleton as our commander in chief. I sincerely hope this election cycles burns both these corrupt parties to the ground so we can start over. We're headed either towards revolution or worse at this point. Without a sea change I can't fathom (hehe) how things will improve with a society as polarized as it is.

    22. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Dems have a long, long history of voter fraud ..

      Am I allowed to ask for evidence for this, or is that too lefty?

    23. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The polls are all being done by the same media that's biased against Trump.

      Which begs the question... If the list of groups not willing to work with Trump includes Democrats, most Republicans, and most of the media, how the hell could he possibly ever get anything at all done if he did get elected? He's running for president, not king. Other than foreign policy (where he polls with the weakest approval of all categories), the president of the United States gets very few opportunities to act unilaterally.

    24. Re:Why? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      You could also just try google. It's not like democrats having dead people vote and busing minorities from polling place to polling place is any big secret.

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    25. Re:Why? by deadwill69 · · Score: 1

      And where is this long history of voter fraud pray tell? I found 436 cases going back to 2000 and none of them mention party affiliation with few even giving hints. According to the Heritage Foundation none the less: (pdf) http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws....

      Here's a good quick reference for you:
      https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_...

      And google is your friend:
      https://www.google.com/search?...

      I personally thing we have more of a problem with political fraud:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    26. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMEN! At least 100,000 total *possible* counts of voter fraud have been *possibly* found over the entire US.That accounts for 0.00014 % affect in the polls. Something needs to be done about this!

      We also need STOP sharks and lightning. The chances of being attacked by a shark while being struck by lightning are somewhere around .0.0000000004891%

      Lock sharks up! lock sharks up!

    27. Re:Why? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Lady doth protest too much.

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    28. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that we don't check for voter fraud it's not surprising we haven't found a lot of instances of it. There's a reason why bussing minorities and illegal immigrants around to "vote" works: it's because no one, anywhere, bothers checking to make sure that the people voting are actually the voters. As long as you're careful to make sure the people you're voting for don't vote themselves, it's undetectable under our current system.

      It's exactly the same as Hillary claiming her email server wasn't hacked: of course there's no evidence it was, YOU DELETED ALL THE LOGS!

      Same thing: no logs, no evidence: but that is not the same thing as "no fraud."

    29. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's time we retired the word "whom" for lack of use. "Who" in this sense is more intuitive. Besides, we need fewer "special case" words.

      Whom do you intend to contact to get "whom" retired?

    30. Re:Why? by J053 · · Score: 1

      Gore didn't accept the result in 2000 (well, at first he did - then when the FL Secretary of State on election night announced an automatic recount, he rescinded his concession) because, until the FL and US Supreme Courts ruled, the election wasn't over yet. As soon as the courts ruled, he made a very gracious concession.

    31. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much every study on the topic has found that voter fraud is extremely rare. Even if Democrats were responsible for 100% of voter fraud (it's probably more like 50%) and we had as much voter fraud in this election as we've had in all elections in the past decade, it wouldn't be enough to sway the election given the current projections of popular votes.

    32. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "From Alexander the grammarian, to refrain from fault-finding, and not in a reproachful way to chide those who uttered any barbarous or solecistic or strange-sounding expression; but dexterously to introduce the very expression which ought to have been used, and in the way of answer or giving confirmation, or joining in an inquiry about the thing itself, not about the word, or by some other fit suggestion. " -The Meditations by Marcus Aurelius Chapter 1

    33. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strange, it looks like he admitted defeat to me. Why else not agree to accept the result? That's what a child does when they know they are going to lose.

      Because it could be close, and in that case, cheating would tip the scales in her favor.

    34. Re:Why? by halivar · · Score: 1

      See? Right there. That's clunky. It's technically the direct object, but it's placement at the beginning of the sentence automatically makes me want to say "who do you intend to contact" right off the bat. English has come a long way from German; we don't need noun declension for "who," especially since we decline so few other words.

    35. Re:Why? by halivar · · Score: 1

      *its (I know, I know!)

    36. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats good you retard. When both candidates suck, don't you want the one with less ability to get things done?

  9. So, she can charge your CC at will, then. by Xenographic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not sure what she's going to do with a few bucks from a few random Twitter followers who let her charge their credit cards on demand when they can get million dollar birthday gifts from the wonderful country of Qatar:

    QATAR
    - Would like to see WJC "for five minutes" in NYC, to present $1 million check that Qatar promised for WJC's birthday in 2011.
    - Qatar would welcome our suggestions for investments in Haiti - particularly on education and health. They have allocated most of their $20 million but are happy to consider projects we suggest. I'm collecting input from CF Haiti team.

    Source

    Related News:
    http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton...

    Notes:
    WJC = William Jefferson Clinton, better known as Bill Clinton

    1. Re:So, she can charge your CC at will, then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use their credit card information to overcharge them and scam them out of money:

      http://observer.com/2016/09/ex...

    2. Re:So, she can charge your CC at will, then. by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      so basically, this country cares more about helping those in need than you do and that makes you look bad.

  10. OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, that's a real eye opener, I am glad you brought that up Igor. That Clinton Foundation is obviously using charity work as cover for evil crook bad business. You have wokened my eyes with your amazing exposes of the Clinton and her evil deeds.

    From:adesai@clintonfoundation.org
    To: blindsey@clintonfoundation.org, lgraham@clintonfoundation.org, doug@presidentclinton.com, justin@presidentclinton.com
    Date: 2012-04-16 18:56
    Subject: Qatar, Brazil, Peru, Malawi, Rwanda

    Last Thursday, April 12, I met individually with the Ambassadors from Qatar, Brazil, Peru, Malawi, and Rwanda, in Washington, DC. Below is a summary of key points from each meeting, and we are following-up on each point. I'd welcome your feedback. Sincerely, Ami

    QATAR

    - Would like to see WJC "for five minutes" in NYC, to present $1 million check that Qatar promised for WJC's birthday in 2011.

    - Qatar would welcome our suggestions for investments in Haiti - particularly on education and health. They have allocated most of their $20 million but are happy to consider projects we suggest. I'm collecting input from CF Haiti team.

    BRAZIL

    - President Rousseff may come to NYC for UN in September; I pitched CGI, again, and will continue to do so.

    - We agreed to try to arrange a WJC-Rousseff meeting whenever she and he are next in the same city.

    - With regard to Rio climate conference, Ambassador's team is going to think about any sites that WJC could visit to highlight Brazil's leadership on climate issues. [I made clear WJC visit to Rio is undecided.] They said they'd be happy for WJC to come.

    - I committed to send them details on CCI in Brazil.

    - Ambassador mentioned Lula receiving an award in Iowa and how much Lula enjoyed Iowa. I suggested Lula come to Little Rock when WJC convenes meeting of former heads of state (Club of Madrid). Also discussed Ambassador going to Little Rock to speak with Clinton School students - he said he'd like to. I'll work with Stephanie on this.\

    - We discussed Lula's health - Ambassador said he's recovering and still committed to agriculture work in Africa. We agreed it would be good for WJC and Lula to do something together on agriculture in Africa.

    PERU

    - Per CGSGI, I asked for Ambassador's ideas on which sectors/parts of Peru to focus on in order to create jobs. He suggested we speak with his son, an alderman in Lima, about jobs projects for young men who otherwise could be recruited by gangs. Ambassador also suggested speaking with Minister for Women and Vulnerable Populations, Ms. Ana Jara, for jobs projects for women.

    MALAWI

    - Ambassador told story of Mutharika's death (said he collapsed with no prior symptoms during a morning meeting, was taken to hospital, then flown to South Africa but passed away en route); and emphasized significance of smooth transition to successor, within their constitutional framework. Sounds like new President is laying low until the memorial service for Mutharika, and then plans to announce her new government.

    - Ambassador again urged that CDI consider dairy/cattle projects; I reminded him we'd be happy to speak with minister of agriculture or whoever Ambassador suggests in the industry; he said he'd let us know.

    RWANDA

    - Kagame is organizing an event in June to commemorate closing of Gacaca process for the genocide. They asked if WJC could go. I said Africa trip is probably in July and we haven't decided countries yet but if there's anything they'd want WJC to do in Rwanda in July, to let us know. I also said to let us know if they'd want a message from WJC for the June event; they'll let us know.

    - Ambassador asked if WJC/CF/CGI could do anything to help on education/universities in Rwanda. I explained we are constrained by funding but if they have specific ideas, to let us know. He said they'll put together some ideas for us.

    - Ambassador asked about attracting more investments/businesses to Rwanda, including mining/natural

    1. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I guess it's a morality question you have to answer for yourself. Is donating blood money a net moral good?

      Are 2 children helped in Africa helped by the Clinton Foundation worth the homosexual that was hung by some Saudis?

    2. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Gussington · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess it's a morality question you have to answer for yourself. Is donating blood money a net moral good?

      Are 2 children helped in Africa helped by the Clinton Foundation worth the homosexual that was hung by some Saudis?

      You do realise that Qatar and Saudi Arabia are two different countries yeah?

    3. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You'd have to ask Haiti how far a Clinton Foundation assistance plan goes.

    4. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Leaving aside the fact that you're confusing two entirely different countries, and that if the {Insert actual human rights abusing country} do not donate money, the human rights atrocities continue (it's not an either/or), I would totally take money from someone evil and spend it on something good. Why wouldn't you? Hell, I'd even steal it from them if I could get away from it.

      Why would you do differently? Osama Bin Laden appears in your bedroom tonight. He says "Hoho, I'm not dead, I'm actually the October surprise, Clinton is going to be so screwed when it gets out I'm alive. Yeah, yeah, the Russians have been hiding me. Anywho, I just popped in because I heard you're great at picking charitable causes. Here's FIVE MILLION DOLLARS."

      Do you say "Uh, thanks, but I'd rather you spend it on fertilizer, pressure cookers and airline tickets. Here, have your five million back", or do you say "I think I might just spend it on HIV prevention for Gay and Lesbian Jews?"

      Pretty easy decision for me to make at any rate, but maybe I'm just not as moral as you.

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    5. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A) They're both under Sharia law.
      B) They've both given lots of money to Hillary.

      So I think it's a reference you missed rather than geographical confusion at play here.

    6. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      You do realise that Qatar and Saudi Arabia are two different countries yeah?

      Don't stop him, he's on a roll.

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    7. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You do realise that Qatar and Saudi Arabia are two different countries yeah?

      You do realize that the Saudis have given tons of money to the Clintons too, right?

      And many millions of those donations weren't even for helping children in Africa, they were for letting the Clintons build a monument to themselves, the Clinton Presidential Library, which makes it even worse.

    8. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Xenographic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They both gave her money and they're both under Sharia law. Does that mean you don't realize how many questionable foreign sources are funding her?

    9. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Xenographic · · Score: 2

      > My Jesuit education tells me that the Saudis were going to hang that homosexual anyway. Taking their money and using it for some good is a gain.

      Depends what they get for that money, doesn't it? If it helps them keep doing business with the US instead of getting called on human rights abuses, it doesn't look like a great deal.

    10. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Informative

      You do understand that the Clinton foundation proves only a small percentage to an actual charity. The bulk of every dollar is overhead

      That's based on a misreading of the Foundation's tax forms.

      TL;DR: The foundation does provide only a small percentage of its donations in the form of grants. But that does not mean that the rest goes to overhead. The overwhelming majority of its funds are spent directly on programs and services that benefit the intended recipients. Only 10 to 20 percent is spent on fundraising and other overhead. That puts it on par with the best charities out there.

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    11. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Informative

      You do realize that the Saudis have given tons of money to the Clintons too, right?

      And many millions of those donations weren't even for helping children in Africa, they were for letting the Clintons build a monument to themselves, the Clinton Presidential Library, which makes it even worse.

      Yes, the Saudis gave about $10 million for the Clinton Presidential Library. But they gave the same amount for George H. W. Bush's library.

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    12. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, we now have top US evangelical leaders saying that Donald Trump sits on the Right Hand of God

      Did She consent to that?

    13. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are right in the abstract, but are ignoring psychological aspects. It normalises your relationship with the people donating, it begs for some kind of reciprocity - people often don't like to feel they owe people things or are in debt, so would prefer to be able to view it as transactional, such as by not applying political pressure. And to the public (this probably depends on whether people liker Hillary or not) it will go some way to offset what (I feel) should be mainly negative coverage of these countries. I am sure there are other effects.

    14. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yes, the Saudis gave about $10 million for the Clinton Presidential Library. But they gave the same amount for George H. W. Bush's library. [washingtonpost.com]"

      For President Trump' (sic) it would not have been a library but a public twitter station, since he can't concentrate on more than 140 chars.

      I hope he'll go to jail after Nov.8 for all his frauds and sexual crimes.

    15. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Leaving aside the fact that you're confusing two entirely different countries,"

      That's normal for the Deplorables, usually they only can name Canada and Mexico as foreign countries and they never visited them, because they stayed all their lives in Buttfuck, Idaho.

    16. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by nospam007 · · Score: 0

      "My Jesuit education tells me that the Saudis were going to hang that homosexual anyway."

      Ah yes, since you Jesuit guys did the same for a couple of thousand years, so you must have many insights to the process.

    17. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by easyTree · · Score: 0

      Maybe he can share a cell with Killary and they can run the country together?

    18. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      I think that perhaps 10 million for the Saudi royals is like spit in a pond. It is a gesture.... but for people who don't have that kind of money it seems significant.

    19. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by brad3378 · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention the part about the Saudi weapons deals that she helped broker as payment.

      https://www.theguardian.com/us...

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    20. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I personally like the 1.8Billion the clinton Foundation Transferred to Qatar this past week. Hmm, wonder if there are some haitian's without food and medicine.

    21. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They both gave her a ton of money, so I'm not sure this distinction helps her.

    22. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by driblio · · Score: 1

      While I'll think I'm probably on your side... You have to be aware that it's not always that simple. Donations come with stops attached and/or legitimises the donor.

      For example, MSF recently had to reject 1 million vaccines, on principal: http://www.doctorswithoutborde...

      It's unfortunate that Americans have to choose between trump and Clinton. But it's obvious they have to choose Clinton.

    23. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure they did.

    24. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, since you Jesuit guys did the same for a couple of thousand years, so you must have many insights to the process.

      First, what the fuck are you talking about? Second, I wend to Jesuit high school and undergrad. That doesn't make me a Jesuit.

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    25. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Depends what they get for that money, doesn't it? If it helps them keep doing business with the US instead of getting called on human rights abuses, it doesn't look like a great deal.

      Saudis have been doing business in the US for a long long time. One owns a big chunk of Fox News, for example. Here is another:

      http://www.esoterically.net/im...

      I don't remember you clutching your pearls over homosexuals being hanged back then. Why is that?

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    26. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Leaving aside the fact that you're confusing two entirely different countries,"

      That's normal for the Deplorables, usually they only can name Canada and Mexico as foreign countries and they never visited them, because they stayed all their lives in Buttfuck, Idaho.

      Perfect example or Liberal Bigotry, Racism and being "unaware" right there.

    27. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      benefit the intended recipients

      Meaning the Clintons, right?

    28. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they gave the same amount for George H. W. Bush's library.

      Since they are bribing people from both parties, that makes it OK?

    29. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      It's almost as if the Bush and Clinton families are both criminal enterprises...

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    30. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by squiggleslash · · Score: 1, Informative

      I recall the same people attacking Clinton for accepting donations from the Saudis now were going out of their way to buy bland, boring, breaded chicken a few years ago because the CEO of the company that sold it had been funding a group that promotes laws that mandate the death penalty for homosexuality in various African countries.

      So: taking money from bad people who do bad things to gays and donating to worthy causes is bad to them. But giving money to bad people who lobby to get bad things done to gays is, apparently totally A-OK.

      Just so you understand the mentality here. If Saudi Arabia was doing exactly what it is now, but under the sign of the cross, they'd be celebrating it.

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    31. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Saudis gave about $10 million for the Clinton Presidential Library. But they gave the same amount for George H. W. Bush's library.

      How much will they give to the Hilary Clinton Email Archive?

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    32. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What "sexual crimes" are you talking about? The ones that suddenly materialized out of the ether the last two weeks?
      The Clintons have enough skeletons in their closet to reenact Army of Darkness for crying out loud.

    33. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's a real eye opener, I am glad you brought that up Igor. That Clinton Foundation is obviously using charity work as cover for evil crook bad business.

      Yup. For all of the anticipation of the killer revelations, there is precious little beef in all of this stuff.

      Some have noted that these leaks serve more as boring day to day workstuff that ends up either boring for us or even helping Clinton.

      And that's the problem - even the server debacle pales in comparison to the bankruptcies, the grab her pussy crap, the (alleged) rape and (alleged)sexual assaults and fascinating allies and inciting to violence of the other party in this sad silly season election.

      In the end, the bogus debates on SNL and the real one in Las Vegas became blurry, especially when Lord Pepe' noted that "No one respects women more than me" which got an admonition to the audience from the moderator, and apparently the mics on the audience were turned down/off.

      And now, "Nasty woman" has become a new meme, as she owned Lord Pepe'.

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    34. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I guess it's a morality question you have to answer for yourself. Is donating blood money a net moral good?

      Are 2 children helped in Africa helped by the Clinton Foundation worth the homosexual that was hung by some Saudis?

      Do you seriously want to go there?

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    35. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You do realise that Qatar and Saudi Arabia are two different countries yeah?

      Don't stop him, he's on a roll.

      Hell, I'm having poppcorn for breakfast today. Pepe' is running at full dudgeon!

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    36. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Saudis gave about $10 million for the Clinton Presidential Library. But they gave the same amount for George H. W. Bush's library.

      That was okay though.

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    37. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      I think she threw out a pretty big number at the last debate. Considering was sorry shape Haiti was in before the last hurricane, I really have to wonder where it all went.

      It clearly didn't go into repairs from the last hurricane or preparations for the next one.

      Haiti's salacious death toll from the last hurricane could have been mitigated considerably with a bit of money spent in a sensible manner.

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    38. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      It's almost as if the Bush and Clinton families are both criminal enterprises...

      They were certainly both culpable in collecting money for Haiti that went into pockets of people that did little or nothing to actually help the people of Haiti.

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    39. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Might want to look a good charities then.
      Mercury One spends almost all of its donations on the work itself.
      In fact it has an entirely separate fund that you donate to for operating expenses. If you donate for a relief efforts, then 100% of that money goes to that. You have to specifically donate money for operating expenses.

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    40. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      And of course that is much better than Trump literally using money from HIS foundation to bribe TWO Attorney Generals not to prosecute him for fraud right ?

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    41. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      You'll have to get them to have it penned by someone even slightly more credible than Dinesh D'Souza, the poor little rich Indian kid who's grown up to excel at blaming the American Left for the misdeeds of the global Rich--er, Right.

      Maybe you missed how full of praise D'Souza was for the 9/11 terrorists--I *saw and heard him myself* on Politically Incorrect talking about what brave warriors they were. Maybe you've missed his suggestion that American conservatives to join forces with conservative Muslims to combat "moral degeneracy".

      *Other conservatives* even take him to task for his poorly-thought-out ideas and dismiss as preposterous his attempts to tie fundamentalist Islam together with American liberalism. Not to mention his terrible book and film about Obama, which even conservatives have recognised as character assassination based on half-truths, selective omissions, outright lies, and obvious projection.

      Oh, and he's been convicted of campaign finance fraud, too.

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    42. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Saudis gave about $10 million for the Clinton Presidential Library. But they gave the same amount for George H. W. Bush's library.

      Yes... and Bush was also a corrupt, war mongering loser, just like Hillary. Republican primary voters were so pissed off with the Republican party establishment, presenting them with yet another panel of dynastic successors like that. It's unfortunate that their only option was Trump, but I supposed they had to make due with what they got. Unfortunately, Democrats ended up largely goose-stepping behind Hillary, instead of kicking her tired ass to the curb and voting for Sanders.

      So, what's your point?

    43. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by ZipK · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do understand that the Clinton foundation proves only a small percentage to an actual charity. The bulk of every dollar is overhead

      Where "small percentage" is 86.9%?

    44. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why can't they both go to jail?

      Why can you only defend Hillary by pointing to Trump, without being able to defend her actions on their own?

    45. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      so basically, you think that your blatant bigotry somehow excuses your geographical ignorance.

    46. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      you mean funding a charity that helps people in Africa, don't you?

    47. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was shipped in the Roswell UFO, where they filmed the moon landing.

    48. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      I love how your best defense of Hillary is that she's basically a Republican. I'm not here to defend either of them.

    49. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is self reported to charitynavigator... they wouldn't lie to charitynavigator would they?

    50. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I love how your best defense of Hillary is that she's basically a Republican.

      My best defense of Hillary is that she's basically not Donald Trump. That is my criteria, in a nutshell.

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    51. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by budgenator · · Score: 1

      The odd thing about the rating from Charity Navigator rating is a few weeks ago I checked the Clinton Foundation there, they were de-rated, not having an understandable business plan, now they're listed with a good rating!
      Obviously somebody is trolling somebody, but you can't tell who

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    52. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by Gussington · · Score: 1

      The odd thing about the rating from Charity Navigator rating is a few weeks ago I checked the Clinton Foundation there, they were de-rated, not having an understandable business plan, now they're listed with a good rating! Obviously somebody is trolling somebody, but you can't tell who

      I think it's you: https://web.archive.org/web/*/... I sampled three random dates and all of them had high ratings. Happy to be proven wrong, but so far you claim isn't stacking up.

    53. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you're the one who brought up "My Jesuit Training", so don't go ballistic wondering why they're accusing you of being one.

    54. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying her Bimbo Squad didn't exist, the one where she made a career of putting down harrassment complaints against her husband? That's the cold heartless kicker for me: anyone who can do that then turn around and crow women's rights is obviously in it only for her own power base. I'm completely surprised at how everyone seems to ignore this. And how Lewinsky got the bum rush, and was essentially blamed for the President of the United states forcing an affair on an intern.

    55. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by YouGotTobeKidding · · Score: 1

      Yeah they really did a great job on Haiti... so we should all TOTALY believe their lies.... err... spin on the 'good work' they are doing now in Africa. Blarg. They lined their pockets and left Haitians holding the bag.

      No one leaves office 'broke' and then becomes worth over a half a billion by being charitable.

    56. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Here's the problem I have with this:

      Program Expenses
      (Percent of the charityâ(TM)s total expenses spent on the programs and services it delivers)

      This doesn't say exactly what those expenses ARE, because it could well be that they spend 95% of their "program expenses" on admin, salaries, bribes, and various other overhead, and that only 5% actually trickles down to the nominal recipients.

      This is something I became aware of while perusing tax info from a particular class of charities -- where "administrative expenses" is typically charity-speak for "owner's salary"... explaining why "administrative expenses" tends to be an upper-five to lower-six figure number even for charities that are basically one-man bands.

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    57. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by ZipK · · Score: 1

      In addition to the foundation's annual reports, Charity Navigator also reviews their independently audited financial statements and 990 forms, here. You'll need to move on to the foundation lying to the federal government and buying off the auditors.

    58. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Wow you're right, it was at least a couple months instead of few weeks. The Clinton Foundation (founded in 1997 as the William J. Clinton Foundation), has it's charitynavigator.org listing first crawl on Sept 2nd, 2016! Makes one wonder what happened to the other 18 years. The William J. Clinton Foundation is listed separately, the "Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation" isn't listed separately and the Clinton Global Initiative wasn't listed.

      Charity Navigator is a leading and respected organization that evaluates and rates charities so donors can make informed decisions about contributions. It was itself a member of the Clinton Global Initiative between 2012 and 2014. Charity watchdog gives Clinton Foundation the highest possible rating

      See that's going to set off the conspiracy theorists and it's a good example of what I'm talking about; there are so many entities ready to spasm-out every time somebody yells squirrel; while all of the whacko's are out there jousting with windmills, it's distracting people from issue with substance. It's getting to the point where every time I see a sensational headline stating "This will bury Hillary", I figure she's the one who put it out there to begin with.

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    59. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's almost as if we're idiots in this country that let people from other countries influence our politicians and elections, and that the bulk of the populace, like yourself, is too fuckign pig fucking ignorant to figure the obvious out. Moron.

    60. Re: OMG that's a dodgy check by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Wow you're right, it was at least a couple months instead of few weeks.

      Can you provide a link? Until you do it just sounds like you making stuff up.

      The Clinton Foundation (founded in 1997 as the William J. Clinton Foundation), has it's charitynavigator.org listing first crawl on Sept 2nd, 2016! Makes one wonder what happened to the other 18 years.

      This probably has more to do with the way the archive works. You can only search on an exact URI, so if the URI changes (quite normal if a site is updated, or re-indexed) the web archive search won't match it up.

      See that's going to set off the conspiracy theorists and it's a good example of what I'm talking about; there are so many entities ready to spasm-out every time somebody yells squirrel; while all of the whacko's are out there jousting with windmills, it's distracting people from issue with substance. It's getting to the point where every time I see a sensational headline stating "This will bury Hillary", I figure she's the one who put it out there to begin with.

      Well the difference between 'whacko conspiracy theory' and reality is that if something is real you can usually provide evidence that it exists. Again I'm happy to be proven wrong, but so far you accusations have all been in your head.
      Out of interest, how does Trump's charity compare?

    61. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A) I didn't write the OP, 0100010001010011 did. Not a great track record so far.
      B) Sharia law, as implemented in such countries, includes many things that would be considered against human rights here.

      Tell me, can you explain why complaining about things like this is "bigotry"? The complaint is about the legal system, specifically their implementation of Sharia law, not the people themselves. The problem is what the law permits, not the actions of the people, though I will present some such actions as illustrations of what is considered acceptable under that law in just a bit.

      Are you not aware that they still enslave people? Are you not aware of, say, the Saudi princess and her housekeeper in France?

      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...

      Such things are very much acceptable there due to bad laws. Go look up what happened to the workers prepping for the World Cup:

      https://www.theguardian.com/fo...

      How is it "bigotry" to complain about bad laws? Are you capable of engaging in a conversation with anything but insults designed to stop people from thinking? Or do you just error out on a stop word every time? "How dare they criticize a legal system that permits slavery! Bigot!!!"

      Note that the slavery referred to here is mostly a matter of status and economics, such as being held in debt slavery under false promises and unable to leave the country, roughly equivalent to the company towns the USA had long ago. There's also another type of slavery under Sharia law that essentially no longer exists for men & women literally conquered during Jihad. That probably only exists with groups like Boko Haram nowadays. It's also bad to allow that, but at least there aren't many of that type any longer.

  11. Good idea comrade! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    You're suggesting he commits click fraud, which is a crime.

    Perhaps his Russian hacker friends could help him do it, that way he doesn't have to face any criminal sanctions himself for committing that crime? He can bring it up with his next meeting with Putin.

    1. Re: Good idea comrade! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Posting frequently to your own Twitter account is not click fraud.

    2. Re: Good idea comrade! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Click fraud"
        Wow, you take this Internet thing pretty seriously...... Ha

    3. Re: Good idea comrade! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Posting frequently to your own Twitter account is not click fraud."

      Yes Trump is totally not guilty. But all the same, those crooks in the FBI might claim he's knowingly doing it to defraud donors of money. So he should get his people in Russia to do it for him. Then if Crook Hillary wins and DOJ tried to get him, he can simply not pay them any Rubles and say "well I didn't pay that bill" as a defense.

  12. DO NOT give Hillary your credit card info. by jcr · · Score: 0, Troll
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  13. ..and as payback... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..and as payback... Trump creates a way to make money for campaign from Hillary's two_at...

  14. How far America has fallen by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The campaign for the highest political office in the land is based on cheap shots, empty hyperbole, and crass corruption. Talk about bread and circuses! The presidential race IS a circus; not even a classy one like Cirque du Soleil, but rather a seedy low-rent carnival sideshow. There are disquieting similarities between this election and any given episode of Jerry Springer or Maury Povich. I suppose that's fitting, given that one of the 'contestants' really is a reality show star, and now the other one is taking her cues from him. When I think about the situation I'm torn between sadness and disgust, and end up feeling both. Yuck. Is this really how things are done now, in what arguably used to be the greatest nation in the world?

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    1. Re:How far America has fallen by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      What it looks just exactly like a corporate advertising campaign for junk food, the news coke/pepsi wars (so why is it coke taste like crap after you have drunk pepsi for a while). They both are really in line for a massive mocking and trolling campaign, unless they start behaving themselves. Why not give the USPS some work and write those candidates a snail mail (they have to be collected, sorted, opened, read and filed, ohh the masses of paperwork, remind them who is the boss and who is the servant, who is the 'representative' and who is the voter, who is meant to obey and who is meant to be obeyed, a big ole solid reminder that the commander and chief in a democracy is the voter).

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    2. Re:How far America has fallen by raind · · Score: 1

      Great summary, I suspect there are many cynics among us, well it is what it is.

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    3. Re: How far America has fallen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this really how things are done now, in what arguably used to be the greatest nation in the world?

      Let me introduce you to the election of 1828.

      And don't take it as the first, 1824 was pretty questionable, and the Adams/Jefferson dispute was pretty ugly. That's 1796 and 1800. 1800 had some really crazy shit going on.

      Another fun one is 1876.

      This year will be nothing in comparison. Trump doesn't even have the potential for moral suasion. It isn't in his character. As amply demonstrated by his performance tonight, he comes across as a bully and braggart, because nobody has more respect for women than him. That would be sickening if it were remotely true.

    4. Re: How far America has fallen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so you're point is that in 200+ years americans havent matured at all?

    5. Re:How far America has fallen by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      This.
      Jerry Springer should moderate the final debate.
      Mike Judge should direct the movie adaptation.

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    6. Re:How far America has fallen by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      At least it's just a show at the moment. If Trump loses and then refuses to accept the result... Well, he has laid the groundwork for an armed revolt already.

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    7. Re:How far America has fallen by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      That's unfair: sideshows are way more fun, even the seedy ones. This is more like monkeys at the zoo, flinging poo at each other. Even the campaigners' lingo fits the analogy: "find some dirt", "can we make it stick", etc.

      I'm just glad my country hasn't sunk to this level.

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    8. Re: How far America has fallen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the Adams/Jefferson dispute was pretty ugly. That's 1796 and 1800. 1800 had some really crazy shit going on.

      It was only crazy because of that hermaphrodite monarchist, Adams!

    9. Re:How far America has fallen by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Jerry Springer should moderate the final debate.

      Only if they do a paternity test for Chelsea so Jerry can say to Bill "You are.......not the father! It's Webb Hubbell!!!"

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    10. Re:How far America has fallen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are not alone.

      I am disgusted by what this country has become, too. You and I are where the solution begins. But we have to fight for it. These people do not represent the ideals our grandparents died to protect. They don't deserve our sympathy or consideration anymore.

      The next time someone calls this fucked up place 'The Greatest Nation on Earth' I'm going to punch a registered party member - I don't care what side of the fence. Fuck them and their special interest viewpoints. Their perspectives are all responsible for making what COULD be Utopia a shit pile. This doesn't feel like my home and these people are NOT my peers. I do not accept this kind of leadership.

      All you fucking "patriots" out there need to grow the up and remember what your grandparents died to protect.

    11. Re:How far America has fallen by HideyoshiJP · · Score: 1

      There's been plenty of filth before this, but this is still really damn "nasty." Is it weird that I like to think about the "good 'ol days" of 2012?

    12. Re:How far America has fallen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are presuming that there are a significant number of people supporting Trump and not just opposing Clinton.

    13. Re:How far America has fallen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The campaign for the highest political office in the land is based on cheap shots, empty hyperbole, and crass corruption. Talk about bread and circuses! The presidential race IS a circus; not even a classy one like Cirque du Soleil, but rather a seedy low-rent carnival sideshow. There are disquieting similarities between this election and any given episode of Jerry Springer or Maury Povich. I suppose that's fitting, given that one of the 'contestants' really is a reality show star, and now the other one is taking her cues from him. When I think about the situation I'm torn between sadness and disgust, and end up feeling both. Yuck. Is this really how things are done now, in what arguably used to be the greatest nation in the world?

      When in Rome, do as the Romans. Donald forced the attacks into the circus. Responders had to enter the circus to counter.

      The democrats, from day one, had a 4 year plan to tackle American problems. But who goes to visit the democrat's (Hillary's website)? She and the Democrats have put a lot of thought into the budget, have taken the time to calculate the impacts +/- . The Republicans have been split internally, with those who spent the last two years fillabustering, of blocking the Presidents efforts to improve things for Americans. (If the democrats improved things for Americans, the Republican Party would suffer-- block the Democrats and make them lame ducks).

  15. Blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only thing I like about Trump's "unhinged rhetoric" is that he's honest about the crazy things he says. Clinton and career politicians are career liars and sway like bamboo with every question. At least Trump is consistent about his crazy bullshit.

    1. Re:Blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump sounds crazy because he is terribly inarticulate and unprepared. His actual points and his political program are actually not particularly crazy.

  16. Counter-Troll? by ooshna · · Score: 2

    Oh god I hope Trump trolls them back by instead of tweeting out a sentences he tweets one word at a time.

    Hillary
    Clinton's
    tax
    plan
    is
    the
    worst
    thing
    since
    N
    A
    F
    T
    A
    !

    1. Re:Counter-Troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, this is an excellent way to get people mad at Hillary if her devs didn't put in a rate limiter (they probably didn't). Trump should start spamming tweets as fast as Twitter lets him.

    2. Re:Counter-Troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god I hope Trump trolls them back by instead of tweeting out a sentences he tweets one word at a time.

      Hillary
      Clinton's
      tax
      plan
      is
      the
      worst
      thing
      since
      N
      A
      F
      T
      A
      !

      Yeah, but halfway through, he'd lose track of what he was trying to tweet, entirely shift topics, and then just resort to:

      Believe
      Me
      Folks

    3. Re:Counter-Troll? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Why on earth would she put in a rate limiter? One of the few things she's good at is collecting other people's money.

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  17. She already has all the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She has so much money already from billionaires and corporations, it's unethical for her to even ask ordinary people to sacrifice anything to contribute to her campaign. She outspends Donald by a lot and already has enough money to finish the campaign.

    1. Re:She already has all the money by dbreeze · · Score: 2
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    2. Re:She already has all the money by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Disclosure: Donald Trump is the father-in-law of Jared Kushner, the publisher of Observer Media.

      Other than that, I didn't get much out of the article, sorry.

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  18. while loop should solve this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if trump writes a script to continuously tweet he ends up with all Clinton's supporters money.

    1. Re:while loop should solve this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Trump should have an all-American coding competition for all-American coders to write his spam bots.

  19. Just to be clear by argStyopa · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So when Trump's campaign sets up the same tool, so that every time HRC twats, Trump gets $?

    Is that just as neat?

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    -Styopa
    1. Re:Just to be clear by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      More cash won't help him at this point. Save your money for the pitchforks.

    2. Re:Just to be clear by bongey · · Score: 1

      No we won't hear about from the Hillary shill editors on slashdot. Scott Adams just Hillary supports are brainwashed, but we get this.

    3. Re:Just to be clear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It won't be newsworthy because Trump copied Clinton, other than the fact that Trump copying Clinton is in itself newsworthy. Like, it's newsworthy that Clinton called Trump a puppet of Putin and it's newsworthy that Trump said 'No, you' but it's only newsworthy for Trump because he's going insane and has the personal anger management and debate skills of a five year old.

  20. Abusing Trump's compulsive behaviors by shanen · · Score: 2

    Of course the amazing thing is that Trump probably thinks the tweeting is helping his campaign. He doesn't even want to stop, though Hillary would be helping him greatly if this gimmick discouraged him from tweeting. Like Sun Tzu says, you shouldn't interfere when your enemy is punching himself in the face. (Actually, I'm still entertaining the hypothesis that Twitter actually brainwashed Trump with Alt-Right links.)

    I still think it's kind of unfair for Hillary to exploit his weaknesses, but then again, I think Trump is asking for it. Near as I can tell, no one forced him into this ritual humiliation. Kind of a shame he didn't have any good friends who could persuade him not to, and if he thought Bill Clinton was being a good friend when he encouraged him to run against Bill's very own wife... Well, there goes any claim to high intelligence, as if the Donald's campaign hadn't been proof enough.

    If there were some similar comments already, I would have appended mine. Nothing showed up yet, and the participation in Slashdot these days is so low that I'm not expecting much before the article dies. The moderation is not helping (as usual), but I have a new question about some discouraging "award" I recently received. Couldn't find out anything about it, so I guess I should care even less, eh?

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    1. Re:Abusing Trump's compulsive behaviors by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Of course the amazing thing is that Trump probably thinks the tweeting is helping his campaign. He doesn't even want to stop, though Hillary would be helping him greatly if this gimmick discouraged him from tweeting.

      Trump is too narcissistic to change his ways. If he had toned it down a bit and stayed on message about the economy & national security instead of pursuing every petty comment made about him, ranging from gold-star families to beauty pageant contestants, he'd probably be in the lead right now. Heck, if the GOP had nominated Kasich, Paul or Rubio, this election would be lopsided in the other direction. Instead, they decided to go for the stooge who would make Hillary a shoo-in. Unless Trump wins, there's nothing that would convince me that the election was rigged by both of them...

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    2. Re:Abusing Trump's compulsive behaviors by shanen · · Score: 1

      Gawdamn the backspace bug on Slashdot! Just lost a carefully prepared reply that had taken several minutes (and quite a bit of energy) to write. *sigh*

      Anyway, I'll reduce it to "Why does anyone hate Hillary?"

      Your sig looks familiar, so maybe you can just remind me of an earlier reply, but I still don't get it.

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  21. WTF!? Re:DO NOT give Hillary your credit card... by killfixx · · Score: 0

    When a Wells Fargo employee accuses you of financial malfeasance you know you done fucked up good.

    What a scummy fucking troglodyte.

    I pray for the VP to suddenly and violently be promoted to POTUS.

    *sigh*

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    "Helping to keep you two steps ahead of the Thought Police!"
  22. Rate limiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's probably no rate limiting Trumpt should tweet the numbers 1 to 1 billion and bankrupt Killary supporters.

  23. Wouldn't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Wall Street billionaires back her.
    Millionaire tech titans back her.
    Rich celebrities back her.
    Wealthy media members back her.
    Well paid millionaire athletes back her.
    Abusive government leaders back her.

    Yeah, she's for the common working American...? No F'n way.

    If you don't fall into one of those categories and you're still voting for her, FU. You get what you deserve. You have blood on your hands with everything from Syria to riots in Chicago. You are part of the ongoing problem in America.

    1. Re:Wouldn't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you. Clinton is a deplorable, human being that is prone to fascism. Thank God we have checks and balances.

    2. Re:Wouldn't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The spelling of Americans is so confusing, do you mean check or cheque?
      Though both probably work.

    3. Re:Wouldn't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Wall Street billionaires back her.
      Millionaire tech titans back her.
      Rich celebrities back her.
      Wealthy media members back her.
      Well paid millionaire athletes back her.
      Abusive government leaders back her."

      And deplorable morons back him. :-)

    4. Re:Wouldn't surprise me... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Millionaire tech titans back her.

      Like Peter Thiel.

      Rich celebrities back her.

      Like Charlie Sheen.

      Wealthy media members back her.

      Like Rupert Murdoch.

      Well paid millionaire athletes back her.

      Like Mike Tyson.

      Abusive government leaders back her.

      Like Vladimir Putin.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    5. Re:Wouldn't surprise me... by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      What about percentage-wise, though? Think celebrities split 50/50 on Clinton vs Trump?

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    6. Re: Wouldn't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FU? You are missing some categories, so hold on:

      - Prefers no pussy grabbing
      - Is Latin and not raper
      - Doesn't hate all countries
      - Likes candidates who pay taxes
      - Is againt bulling
      - Won't trust liers
      - Requures experience as Politician
      (And a long list list of itger reasons)

  24. Am I the only one by Sibko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Am I the only one who feels like the stories regarding the election that filter onto slashdot have been pretty seriously biased and generally uncalled for?

    Preferably I wouldn't see any campaign news here unless it's extremely specifically about tech, but it seems like anything with a hint of tech and related to the election is getting pasted to the front page regardless of the relevancy.

    From the technology-but-really-election stories, to the pretty-much-clickbait stories; I'm getting sick of this site. I've been getting more and better tech related news from the fucking technology board on 4chan for christ's sake.

    I can't trust these news sites anymore - I've even been hearing of shadowbans on slashdot in discussions outside this site - if I ever see proof of that, I'm done with this place. What the fuck is happening to our online media?

    1. Re:Am I the only one by bongey · · Score: 1

      Scott Adams calls Hillary Clinton supporters brainwashed. That includes /. editors.
      http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1...

    2. Re:Am I the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, these fucksticks have been doing this shit at least since Malda left. Compared to how in love with Obama they were the last two cycles the Hitlery coverage looks almost balanced by comparison.

    3. Re:Am I the only one by bug_hunter · · Score: 1

      So getting somewhat off-topic, Scott Adams' argument appears to be:
      Some people call Trump Hitler - when he's not (which I 100% agree with Scott on that one)
      The DNC have spent a lot of effort spinning opinion against Trump.
      Because of that, clearly the arguments against Trump are an illusion that's shared with most anti-trumpers

      My counter argument would be:
      Comparing him to Hitler isn't the only argument against Trump. There are many others which I believe are valid.
      GOP have been smearing her for her political lifetime where as the DNC have only been smearing Trump since it was clear he was going to win the Primary.
      Plenty of people call Hillary corrupt devil politician in ways way over the top.

      Still I agree, Slashdot could have done without this story.

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      It's turtles all the way down.
    4. Re:Am I the only one by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Some people call Trump Hitler - when he's not (which I 100% agree with Scott on that one)"

      _When_ is he not Hitler, when he sleeps? Or did you mean 'while'?

      "The DNC have spent a lot of effort spinning opinion against Trump."

      That's is sorta their job, isn't it?

    5. Re:Am I the only one by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      From your link:

      Here I pause to remind new readers of this blog that I'm a trained hypnotist and a student of persuasion in all its forms.

      He's also a certified genius level IQ. We mustn't forget that!

      And I'm here to tell you that if you are afraid that Donald Trump is a racist/sexist clown with a dangerous temperament, you have been brainwashed by the best group of brainwashers in the business right now: Team Clinton.

      Well, if you're merely afraid of that then you might have been brainwashed by someone. Anyone good at observing things (as Mr. Adams seems to think is important) actually *knows* that so there's no fear that he only might be.

      And Clinton's team of persuaders has caused half of the country to see Trump as a racist/sexist Hitler with a dangerous temperament.

      Turns out it's not just Team Clinton. I saw a bunch of pictures a while back 'shopping Trump with Hitler or something. Turns out that was done by his fans over at the Daily Stormer. No the hell way I'm going to dig through that again, but it's one of their "meme days" if you feel like taking a gander.

      Not that I think Trump is actually a literal Nazi or anything, but it's just a funny counterpoint to Adams' claims.

      But Trump is the bigger agent for change, if that's what you think the country needs.

      Well that's stupid. The country needs change for the better, not simply "change". There are plenty of changes one can imagine which would make things much worse.

      I'm not trying to say I'm smarter than anyone else.

      I'm not but I am really. I mean I won't say smarter, but really I am smarter when it counts. Not that I'm saying it. But we all know I have a certified genius level IQ and I'm a trained persuader. And I'm so smart I know I'm not smart which ironically makes me much smarter than you even though I won't say it, but I am though.

      I don't believe in a traditional god.

      Oh that's new. He doesn't seem so keen on evolution either. He's written several posts with a "I'm not denying it but I really am" kind of flavour.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    6. Re:Am I the only one by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      He's not Hitler. He's a lightweight Mussolini. Scapegoats minorities, smears and dehumanizes same, promotes violence against his opponents, has a contempt for the democratic process, wants to jail his political opponents and restrict and punish journalists who publish stories he and his backers do not like, promotes simplistic solutions to complex problems, usually with an absence of detail that makes the solutions suspect even without further analysis.

      He would have to have a raging hate-on for a racial or religious group beyond reason to be a Hitler. He's shown signs of that against Muslims, but he's yet to cross the line that would make me worry about a Muslim holocaust.

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    7. Re:Am I the only one by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Now that you're done analyzing the post he made where he decides to support Trump, break down the ones he made where he decided to support the other candidates too.

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      If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
    8. Re:Am I the only one by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Now that you're done analyzing the post he made where he decides to support Trump, break down the ones he made where he decided to support the other candidates too.

      OK, I'll do the one where he "supports" Hilary:

      I support Trump.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    9. Re:Am I the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He clearly used his persuasion techniques on you if you buy that load. I really don't understand how that guy has a following.

    10. Re:Am I the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, Scott Adams is really fighting to make people more dumb. I feel dumber having read that pointless drivel.

  25. Trump Tweet Bot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long before the Trump campaign launches an automated tweet bot to run up the bill?

  26. English language obfuscation contest: First prize! by Brannon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Congrats.

  27. Different election this time? by dbreeze · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i just don't think raw $ is going to have quite the effect it's had in the past. Information control isn't bought quite as easily, nor is it nearly as effective, as in the past. Far fewer are glued to their TVs for their world-view. I can't imagine Trump getting in this if he knew of some true skeletons to hide. I can't imagine Hillary ever imagined how quickly her closets would fill up way back before meeting Bill. Hiding skeletons seems to be all she's ever done. And too many of you are too young to realize how long some of us have been watching the "Slick Willy" crime syndicate operate.

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    1. Re:Different election this time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And too many are too off their rockers to realize how made up the whole "slick willy" crime syndicate is.

    2. Re:Different election this time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't imagine Trump getting in this if he knew of some true skeletons to hide. I can't imagine Hillary ever imagined how quickly her closets would fill up way back before meeting Bill.

      So your argument is that someone with something to hide wouldn't start a presidential campaign. But that Hillary Clinton, who has had multiple presidential campaigns, has a lot to hide. Most people tend to dabble for a bit before diving headlong into cognitive dissonance, but not you. Bravo, sir. Bravo.

    3. Re:Different election this time? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Someone pointed out that if Trump actually had a proper collection of skeletons, they'd already be on parade... if one jock-talk tape is the best they can do (at least, with documentation so the tale can't be promptly refuted by genuine witnesses) there probably isn't anything all that terrible waiting to be unearthed.

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  28. Scott Adams is a world class fucking idiot. by Brannon · · Score: 1

    As proof, please see your same link.

  29. Election of 1968 by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    During the election of 1968, Johnson was trying to bring an end to the Vietnam war. Nixon feared a breakthrough at the Paris Peace talks designed to find a negotiated settlement to the Vietnam war, and he knew this would derail his campaign, so he contacted Hanoi and told them, essentially, "if you delay the peace talks, you'll get a better deal once I'm elected".

    This was known to Johnson and the FBI at the time, who chose to do nothing.

    From the article: “Once in office he escalated the war into Laos and Cambodia, with the loss of an additional 22,000 American lives, before finally settling for a peace agreement in 1973 that was within grasp in 1968,”

    You probably aren't old enough to remember that era, but a lot of us are. The peace talks were constantly delayed by demands that, for instance, the table be round or square. This seemed odd at the time, but now we know why.

    Nixon committed treason in the literal sense of the word, interfered with the US operations of state, and extended a war for 5 years just to get elected.

    We only recently found this out because the records were sealed for 50 years, and recently unsealed.

    I'm told that other, previous elections were worse. This one is just more heavily televised.

    Be grateful for the bread and circus, because it's not actually killing people.

    1. Re:Election of 1968 by johannesg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Be grateful for the bread and circus, because it's not actually killing people.

      Unless you live in the Middle East, or Africa, or Europe.

    2. Re:Election of 1968 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be grateful for the bread and circus, because it's not actually killing people.

      Not yet. If we add to all the other tensions with Russia the DNC's "the leaks aren't (something... handwave), because Russians", and drag our political, intelligence, and military apparatus into backing up the blatant logical fallacy that it matters where the facts came from, that could change quickly.

    3. Re:Election of 1968 by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Nixon committed treason in the literal sense of the word

      I come to bury Nixon, not to praise him.

      That being said, while you may think he committed treason in the literal sense, he did not in the legal sense.

      Treason is defined in the US Constitution as aiding or giving comfort to an enemy at a time of war declared by Congress. Congress did not declare war officially on Vietnam. In fact, Congress has not declared war officially on any nation since 1942.

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    4. Re: Election of 1968 by easyTree · · Score: 2

      It's almost as if the worst of your country represent you.

      You should be ashamed that your whole country is so horribly corrupt that these monsters can get away with this and everyone goes passively along for the ride.

      It's a disgrace to humanity as a whole.

    5. Re:Election of 1968 by swb · · Score: 1

      Once in office he escalated the war into Laos and Cambodia, with the loss of an additional 22,000 American lives, before finally settling for a peace agreement in 1973 that was within grasp in 1968

      1968, the year of the Tet Offensive and the siege at Khe Sanh, which Johnson insisted the US win? The same Johnson who decided not to run for re-election in 1968?

      I just don't see a peace agreement in 1968 as being something that would have actually happened, especially after Johnson had stopped the bombing in the north as well.

      Maybe if Johnson had *increased* bombing in the north to Linebacker II levels and allowed Westmoreland to go after the Ho Chi Minh trail and NVA bases in Cambodia and Laos he could have negotiated a peace treaty in 1968. But along with all the other political intervention in Viet Nam, Johnson himself seemed to prolong the war in Viet Nam instead of winning it.

    6. Re:Election of 1968 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Implying these savages would not be murdering each other without the US. Muslim have been butchering non-believer for 1400 years. A few years ago idiots in Rwanda hacked one a other with machete because they where of slightly different shade of brown.

      In Marxist America, useful idiots get moded up.

    7. Re:Election of 1968 by jodido · · Score: 1

      Three guys in Kansas were just arrested before they could blow up a lot of people, including Muslim children. Are they savages too?

    8. Re: Election of 1968 by chihowa · · Score: 1

      It's almost as if the worst of your country represent you.

      You must be new here (Earth). The top tiers of every government in every country are the worst of us, because the worst of us are attracted to the power and wealth that can be extracted from such positions and have no qualms about doing whatever it takes to get these positions. Where do you live where your politicians are angels (or even decent people)? Looking back through history, how many kings, emperors, presidents, and prime ministers can you name who were not monsters in one way or another?

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    9. Re:Election of 1968 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well he did say "people"

    10. Re: Election of 1968 by easyTree · · Score: 1

      My point stands.

      Stop empowering these fuckers by doing as they ask.

      The only power they have is to wag their tongues to impel others to act.

    11. Re: Election of 1968 by chihowa · · Score: 1

      If that's your point, then I wholly agree with you. I thought that saying, "It's a disgrace to humanity as a whole," was you distancing yourself from from this monstrosity as if corruption was an American invention or as if the US has even exhibited corruption in its most perfect form.

      This particular election (and nearly every other election in the US, at least in my lifetime) is a "shame on us" moment, but contemporary US politics don't represent the worst display of corruption in history or even in the modern world. I have no tolerance for it here, but don't make the mistake of pointing to our shit-show while letting your own fester, even if it isn't quite as bad at the moment.

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    12. Re:Election of 1968 by operagost · · Score: 1

      This was known to Johnson and the FBI at the time, who chose to do nothing.

      I wonder why that is. Because after all, if

      During the election of 1968, Johnson was trying to bring an end to the Vietnam war.

      then Nixon's action would be in direct conflict with that objective, right? Did Johnson just no longer give a shit? Or did he hate Humphrey more than Nixon? Seems unlikely, since he endorsed Humphrey after pulling out. I'm just going to leave it at that, lest someone think I'm sticking up for Nixon.

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    13. Re:Election of 1968 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three guys in Kansas were just arrested before they could blow up a lot of people, including Muslim children. Are they savages too?

      Yes, three guys who were planning to blow up a lot of people, including children, (regardless of what religion they follow) are by definition savages. Did you really need to ask? Seriously?

    14. Re: Election of 1968 by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Let's not get caught up in weighing the comparative demerits of our respective grasping ghouls.

      That a system of corruption chooses to reserve known lows for future exploration is hardly a defence.

      The current system is unfit for purpose in the sense that those who win out do so in spite of the collective will of the people.

      It's offensive to have the lackeys of these poltical narcissists (and indeed every person who believes themselves to be an informed citizen) regurgitate their masters' talking points as if contemplating them of the own free will.

      Where is the outrage? Where is the focus on real issues? Where is the expectation to be truly informed? Where is the journalistic integrity?

      Why do Jonathan Pie, John Oliver and the resr of the political 'comedians' have more integrity, intelligence and coherence than those who are apparently in charge of something? It's just offensive.

    15. Re:Election of 1968 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't bother. He is a racist that assume that because they were White they were not savage. Racist idiots will tolerate barbaric acts if they are not performed by White peoples and will project that prejudice onto anyone that denounce barbaric act from around the world

      They are not rational peoples. We can't argue with them. They are the American useful idiots that keep the globalist in power.

    16. Re:Election of 1968 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "savageness" is due to their ideas, not their skin color or location. There are legitimate points of argument about what some people believe. Do not automatically conflate someone criticizing a set of ideas with bigoted xenophobia or racism.

    17. Re:Election of 1968 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Treason is defined in no such way. This is the definition for treason. Not a jot in there about "but only during wars declared by Congress".

    18. Re:Election of 1968 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Three guys in Kansas were just arrested before they could blow up a lot of people, including Muslim children. Are they savages too?

      Yes.

      Why is that even a question?

    19. Re: Election of 1968 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many nations have had bitter civil wars in the past 200 years. Sadly, in that context, Rwanda is on the more brutal end but not exceptional.

    20. Re:Election of 1968 by johannesg · · Score: 1

      Are you seriously implying that bombing Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. back into the stone age had no impact whatsoever on the quality of life there? That the refugee stream into Europe was entirely caused by internal causes? ...mind blown...

    21. Re: Election of 1968 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remind me again when Trump bombed Syria?

  30. Hillary is a disaster... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both candidates are rich. Only one of them got rich through politics and that is Hillary. Public service my ass.

  31. Our 4-yearly pon-farr by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been here through a couple of elections, and I can say definitively that this place goes to hell just prior.

    About 6 weeks before an election this place starts to get crazy with spammers and sock puppets, and about 3 weeks prior it goes completely bonkers. It's happened before, it'll happen again in 4 years. If you're worried, just ignore it for the next 3 weeks.

    Apropos shadow banning, I myself was banned from Slashdot for about a day because of trolls modding my submissions as "spam" (and triggering Slashdot's anti-spam auto ban).

    I sent an E-mail to feedback, an op read it, and I was unbanned. To my total astonishment.

    Slashdot is awesome, please don't paint us with the same brush as Twitter or Facebook.

    It's just our 4-yearly version of pon-farr.

    1. Re:Our 4-yearly pon-farr by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I've had this happen too, twice. First time with troll mod-bombing on comments, and then the second time with spam modding of submissions. In both cases, a quick email sorted it out. I can't fault the Slashdot team on that front, they fix moderation abuse quickly.

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    2. Re:Our 4-yearly pon-farr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently I've been around so long (4-digit ID) and have accumulated so much karma that whenever I get any Troll mods, I almost invariably get mod points the very next time I log in. Keep up the good work, Trumpers, and keep making me stronger! :-D

    3. Re:Our 4-yearly pon-farr by a_mari_usque_ad_mare · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the sane comment. I just opened this week's popular stories to catch up, and they're totally polluted by angry and paranoid Trump fans.

      I'll be back when Dr. McCoy revives Kirk.

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  32. Why this site seems pro-Trump by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    [Scott Adams is a world class fucking idiot] As proof, please see your same link.

    And this is why Slashdot seems to be pro-Trump.

    Scott Adams is a trained hypnotist, and has had many insights into this election from that point of view. When he says people are brainwashed, he's speaking professionally with some background. And the posted article uses analogy and example to explain his point.

    If you think he's wrong, just pasting a random insult ain't 'gonna do it.

    Anyone can show pro-Clinton articles and posts on Slashdot, it only takes insight and background, which anyone could do.

    Raw, unsupported insults simply aren't good enough.

    1. Re:Why this site seems pro-Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bwahaha, Adams is a raving nutjob, changing his predictions like the wind.
      If you believe a word of the rubbish he spews, youre am idiot.

    2. Re:Why this site seems pro-Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Scott Adams is a trained hypnotist" lmao, here's your first mistake. He might as well be "a trained psychic".

      Scott Adams is a lonely idiot who somehow still thinks Trump can win. Well, I don't know if he still actually believes it or if he just desperately wants to believe at this point.

    3. Re:Why this site seems pro-Trump by saforrest · · Score: 2

      [Scott Adams is a world class fucking idiot] As proof, please see your same link.

      And this is why Slashdot seems to be pro-Trump.

      Scott Adams is a trained hypnotist, and has had many insights into this election from that point of view. When he says people are brainwashed, he's speaking professionally with some background. And the posted article uses analogy and example to explain his point.

      If you think he's wrong, just pasting a random insult ain't 'gonna do it.

      Anyone can show pro-Clinton articles and posts on Slashdot, it only takes insight and background, which anyone could do.

      Raw, unsupported insults simply aren't good enough.

      In the linked post, Adams never argues why the illusion is an illusion. He simply asserts it is (in an exceptionally patronizing way, incidentally). The furthest he goes in explaining that Trump is not a racist/sexist clown with a dangerous temperament is simply to say that "a guy who uses provocative language (as New Yorkers do) while succeeding across several different fields. And he knows risk-management." So basically, we should not take Trump at his word on anything because he's from New York and just uses colourful language? Also, he knows risk management, presumably from his business career. Adams believes Trump has the capacity to bring real change to American politics. I doubt he came to that conclusion on the basis of Trump's business career alone, so he must be hearing something in Trump's words he actually believes to be true, despite all the "New York talk". So I get this straight, Adams alone because of his special magic hypnotist training can separate the wheat from the chaff, and thinks we are all deluded for not seeing the objectionable things Trump says as meaningless bluster. Yeah, I think we can safely ignore him from this point on.

    4. Re:Why this site seems pro-Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, what you should do is understand the context during which the words were used, including the words that preceded and followed after them, as well as the question that prompted for the words to be said, rather than place your trust in a Buzzfeed headline or CNN Hillary advertisement.

    5. Re:Why this site seems pro-Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scott Adams created a funny comic strip with insights about corporate America, but his political views are deplorable.

    6. Re:Why this site seems pro-Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Slashdot was so pro-trump, why would they have articles like "Why hasn't Trump been banned from Twitter yet?"

  33. Unmeasurable results by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Is it interesting that the Clinton Foundation has no measurable results?

    Most charities can say "we received $x amount of money, and spent $y on cancer research" or similar. The dollars can be traced to studies or hospitals or doctors' salaries or aid workers in conflict areas.

    Not so with the Clinton Foundation. Their purpose is to "lobby" for good causes.

    Totally unmeasurable, there is no way to judge whether a donation to the Clinton Foundation is more or less effective than a donation to the "Save the Children Foundation".

    With "Save The Children", you know that 1 child is helped, you know how they are helped, and you see whether the help does any good over time.

    But with the "Clinton Foundation"... ?

    1. Re:Unmeasurable results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Whereas Trump has settled multiple lawsuits using charity money.

      http://people.com/crime/donald-trump-used-money-from-charity-to-settle-lawsuits-report/

      Although in more recent 7 years he hasn't used charity money at all for ANY donations, instead just using it for his own expenses:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-promised-millions-to-charity-we-found-less-than-10000-over-7-years/2016/06/28/cbab5d1a-37dd-11e6-8f7c-d4c723a2becb_story.html

      You do realize that he's committed *actual* criminal offenses don't you? Perhaps you should avoid mentioning charities, that's a big minefield for your guy Trump.

    2. Re:Unmeasurable results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize you can both be right and Trump and Hillary both deserve to be behind bars.

    3. Re:Unmeasurable results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a USA outsider looking in, it seems likely they don't... How fucked is the USA right now having to vote for two completely corrupt and dangerous individuals as their leader!!?

    4. Re:Unmeasurable results by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Is it interesting that the Clinton Foundation has no measurable results?"

      Wot? Not even bought a giant portrait of Hillary, like the Donald did with his illegal 'charity'?

    5. Re: Unmeasurable results by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Particularly when one of them is only there to help the enemy team.

    6. Re:Unmeasurable results by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If lobbying were ineffective businesses wouldn't spend billions on it. Just because the results are hard to measure, doesn't mean that there are none.

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    7. Re:Unmeasurable results by XXongo · · Score: 1

      "Is it interesting that the Clinton Foundation has no measurable results?"

      https://www.hillaryclinton.com...

    8. Re:Unmeasurable results by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, people who know about how charities work seem impressed by it, and it doesn't "lobby" for good causes, it provides grants for them.

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    9. Re:Unmeasurable results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it difficult to believe that Trump bought a giant portrait of Hillary. I require a citation!

    10. Re:Unmeasurable results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whereas Trump has settled multiple lawsuits using charity money.

      Hey, don't forget that the Trump foundation has donated money to worthy causes like Boy Scouts. They got $7 from the foundation in the year when one of his kids was a member. And the membership fee was $7. Funny coincidence.

    11. Re:Unmeasurable results by TopherC · · Score: 1

      I think your rhetorical question is exactly the right one to be asking. Or at least a variant of it. How do we end up with having to choose the lesser of two evils every election? It's been this way for the past several elections at least, but it seems to be getting progressively worse. And it's not just the major parties -- even our minor-party and leading independents have said some ridiculously screwball things that no one I know personally would have said.

      There is something about the economics (in a broad sense) of our political process that brings the worst of our nation into the highest offices. I'll take a stab at answering this, but I'm certainly wrong and/or missing some pieces. It's really worth digging into though!

      1) Human nature -> shocking, negative info is more memorable and motivating
      2) Plurality voting -> 3rd-party spoiler -> Exactly two parties -> Mud-slinging becomes optimal politicking strategy
      (1) and (2) lead to nearly 100% mudslinging, so it's perfectly natural for us to focus on how evil our candidates are.

      On top of this, we have huge amounts of money now being spent by both the DNC and RNC, which are using increasingly-large datasets and the tools of the scientist to hone and optimize their election chances. Therefore we are inundated with 21st-century propaganda and demagoguery on a daily/hourly basis. Even those citizens that are well-educated can't help but be influenced.

      The kinds of people who are best suited for government would never want to get involved with all this, and hence would never even register on the radar of the public and would have no chance getting far in a political career.

    12. Re:Unmeasurable results by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Whereas Trump has settled multiple lawsuits using charity money.

      http://people.com/crime/donald-trump-used-money-from-charity-to-settle-lawsuits-report/

      Shhhh. dont point out their hypocrisy.

      Just focus on the 2 minutes hate and remember Trump = Good, Clinton = Baaaaaaaaad.

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    13. Re:Unmeasurable results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If lobbying were ineffective businesses wouldn't spend billions on it. Just because the results are hard to measure, doesn't mean that there are none.

      So why don't we keep this in mind to circling back and thinking about what Saudi Arabia & Qatar got from Hillary?

    14. Re:Unmeasurable results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that's not true. Lobbying is effective, but businesses all over the world waste massive amounts of money on ineffective things exactly because the effects are hard to measure but they make the decision makers feel better.

    15. Re:Unmeasurable results by jittles · · Score: 1

      Whereas Trump has settled multiple lawsuits using charity money.

      http://people.com/crime/donald-trump-used-money-from-charity-to-settle-lawsuits-report/

      Although in more recent 7 years he hasn't used charity money at all for ANY donations, instead just using it for his own expenses:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-promised-millions-to-charity-we-found-less-than-10000-over-7-years/2016/06/28/cbab5d1a-37dd-11e6-8f7c-d4c723a2becb_story.html

      You do realize that he's committed *actual* criminal offenses don't you? Perhaps you should avoid mentioning charities, that's a big minefield for your guy Trump.

      I don't like the way you're disparaging Clinton. She's committed plenty of crimes herself, Comey just hasn't found anyone at the Attorney General's office that is interested in prosecuting. This is what makes America great - two career criminals running for president!

    16. Re:Unmeasurable results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's pretty dishonest. He settled the lawsuits by allowing the court/plaintiff to choose a charity for the donations to go to. That's not the same thing as spending charity money on defending yourself, as your statement implies.

      Your WaPo article is just speculation, which can't be confirmed because he hasn't released his tax returns. You can't have it both ways, criticizing him for not releasing tax information while also criticizing him for not donating to charity. You can't know one without the other.

    17. Re:Unmeasurable results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be a moron. they're both bad. Yes, that's right: You can believe Hilary is bad for the country, while still maintaining your hatred of Trump. You're not picking favorite dinners.

  34. Why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She monetized her position as Secretary of State, so this is small potatoes.

    Heh, captcha is "sponged".

  35. Campaign Finance Laws anyone? by Chas · · Score: 2

    Basically, it it's tied to Tweet count, Trump can cause these people to violate campaign finance laws, simply by being prolific.

    Though, realistically, it would more likely just cause financial hardship as a big chunk of cash disappears from their account.

    Anyone who uses this is basically a moron who basically WANTS to be stolen from.

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    1. Re:Campaign Finance Laws anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Clinton broke campaign finance laws by having her campaign work closely with her Super PACs, as seen on multiple videos now. I'm sure you've noticed the lack of FEC doing anything or the DOJ charging anyone.

      The reason campaign finance laws exist is to enforce them on people not in power and censor THEIR speech. Incumbent party does not even pretend to follow such laws and tells the DOJ to not prosecute, hence we have Clinton.

      Forcing her to break "even more laws" still won't bring up charges. If her paying people to riot and hurt people at Trump political events doesn't cause charges, donations won't.

    2. Re:Campaign Finance Laws anyone? by DavidHumus · · Score: 1

      I understand that spouting off without the least idea of what you're talking about is par for the course on Slashdot but, if you had made the slightest effort to contaminate your information-free environment by actually looking at the site, you'd see that it has a daily limit you can set.

  36. Get the fact checkers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what I say every time my opponent tells the truth about my shadiness.

  37. Relationship of technology to this election? by shanen · · Score: 1

    Interesting post, and if I ever saw a mod point, I might give it to you, even though you only posed the questions.

    Anyway, it's obvious that technology is influencing elections in many ways, but mostly for the worse. Just picking a few examples off the top of my head:

    (1) Scientific polling that makes voting feel meaningless
    (2) Precise gerrymandering that distorts the House of so-called Representatives
    (3) Trump's self-immolation via Twitter

    Still no funny comments and the ones modded insightful weren't, and the discussion is almost expired...

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    1. Re:Relationship of technology to this election? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Scientific polling that makes voting feel meaningless

      My problem with the polling is it's not really scientific. The pollster picks the demographics for the poll, but never justifies why those demographics are reasonable. Frequently they're very unreasonable. If I made a poll for California but made my sample 80% Republicans and said "Trump will win California," would you trust it? But I could do that, say it's a "scientific poll" (because it uses numbers?) and then people would bandy it around for propaganda purposes.

      The polls aren't falsifiable right now because nobody really knows what the electorate thinks right now. An awful lot of these polls comes from what are essentially advertising agencies, they're used to shape public opinion ("9 out of 10 dentists prefer anal"), going for bandwagon effect to gain support or demoralization against the other side, when no one can check their results they shape the results to whatever the people paying for the poll want, and then a week before the election they try to actually get it right so they can say "see, we're accurate, trust us next cycle!"

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    2. Re:Relationship of technology to this election? by tbannist · · Score: 2

      The pollster picks the demographics for the poll, but never justifies why those demographics are reasonable.

      As far as I am aware, the normal procedure is to record the demographics from a random poll, and then adjust the weightings of each demographic group based on the actual recorded demographics from the last similar election.

      The rest of your comments display a considerable amount of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I really don't think you should write about things you so clearly know nothing about. Maybe you should spend some time and educate yourself about polling procedures, practices and organizations?

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    3. Re:Relationship of technology to this election? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, he's just in denial.

    4. Re:Relationship of technology to this election? by shanen · · Score: 1

      My first degree included sociology and I studied quite a bit about polling. I even followed up with math before switching to computer science for my second degree. So I'm telling you [tbannist] to stop projecting your ignorance or bias.

      Short summary: It is quite easy to deliver any poll results you are being paid for. LOTS of ways to rig the results, but the more "scientific" pollsters play games with framing and even priming in contrast to the older and cruder techniques of manipulating the questions and possible answers.

      It is even easier to produce a poll that produces garbage. For example, serious polling has to involve pre-polling to test the questions.

      The hardest thing is to produce an honest poll that gives you meaningful insight into any deep issue. REALLY hard to keep the pollsters' mindsets and prejudices out of the results before you try to figure out what the results really mean.

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    5. Re: Relationship of technology to this election? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of those paying for polls are likely to want a realistic interpretation so they can concentrate efforts in the appropriate way to improve their chances. Biasing polls would not get you much repeat business if they were inaccurate.

        Using polls with specific outcomes to try to influence voter intentions is so fraught with complexity it's hard to imagine anyone trying to do so.

    6. Re:Relationship of technology to this election? by tbannist · · Score: 1

      My first degree included sociology and I studied quite a bit about polling. I even followed up with math before switching to computer science for my second degree. So I'm telling you [tbannist] to stop projecting your ignorance or bias.

      So, are you a sock-puppet account for meta-monkey? Or are you just jumping on the "polling isn't accurate because I don't like the results" bandwagon?

      Short summary: It is quite easy to deliver any poll results you are being paid for.

      I would strongly suspect that vast majority of polls are paid for accurate results. In the case of political campaigns, for example, they may only release the results of favourable polls, but deliberately inaccurate polls seem like a waste of money. It far cheaper to simply choose the poll(s) that other people have paid for that most resemble the result you want and trumpet those. Also, few people are going to believe a poll that the campaign paid for that produces wildly different results from everyone other poll. Without a sound procedure and definite reasons for the discrepancies, it would be immediately be dismissed as paid-for-results and it would damage the credibility of the polling organization that produced the results.

      The hardest thing is to produce an honest poll that gives you meaningful insight into any deep issue.

      There's a qualitative different between biased results and deliberately dishonest results. Most polls have some degree of bias and we can compare polls to each other and to election results to see how accurate they and develop and estimate of how biased the poll is and in which direction. But meta-monkey made the claim that they don't even try to be accurate until the last week before the election and if you believe he is correct, then you're also an ignorant fool.

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    7. Re:Relationship of technology to this election? by shanen · · Score: 1

      Yes, you have convinced me you are fanatical and willing to repeat yourself. I could extend my responses, but there was no evidence of anything recognizable as sincerity or curiosity, so you have also convinced me that would be a waste of time and keystrokes. Or perhaps I should apologize for writing at a level that is too difficult for you?

      I regard this discussion as pointless and closed. Feel free to repeat yourself some more.

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    8. Re:Relationship of technology to this election? by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Yes, you have convinced me you are fanatical and willing to repeat yourself.

      That's what it says in my signature, though I have to say that disagreeing with your incompetent analysis of the situation hardly counts as repeating myself, unless of course, you are suck puppet, in which I could see where being shot down twice for ignorant blathering feels like "repeating".

      I could extend my responses, but there was no evidence of anything recognizable as sincerity or curiosity, so you have also convinced me that would be a waste of time and keystrokes.

      Actually, I find it doubtful that you could extend your responses. All you seem to have is accusations that professional pollsters are either less competent than you, who once studied polling in university before dropping out of your sociology program, or so corrupt that they provide poll results that match whatever the client requests. You have offered no evidence other than your own general opinions to support either case. Like the poster, I first responded to, you seem to be suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect where you know just enough about the topic to be very confident that you are completely right about everything that you don't know.

      Or perhaps I should apologize for writing at a level that is too difficult for you?

      Oh I understood everything you wrote, but I am not sure that you did because if you had you would have understood my counter-arguments. Frankly, you should be apologizing for your disgraceful conduct and for wasting the time of everyone who reads your posts.

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    9. Re:Relationship of technology to this election? by shanen · · Score: 1

      What part of "pointless and closed" were you unable to understand?

      Do I need to be more explicit about why I believe you are not worth more of my time? The truth would require rudeness, and I'm not even campaigning to be president.

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    10. Re:Relationship of technology to this election? by tbannist · · Score: 1

      What part of "pointless and closed" were you unable to understand?

      It must be part where you expect me to care about your declarations.

      Do I need to be more explicit about why I believe you are not worth more of my time?

      Well then, you should try backing up your words with actions.

      The truth would require rudeness, and I'm not even campaigning to be president.

      Oh, of course it would. When you've got no facts, no evidence, and no logic to back you up, what are you left with other than a bad attitude and insults?

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    11. Re:Relationship of technology to this election? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like you too are finding out what a petulant little troll this guy is. He's definitely one for the books. For more fun keep after him to see how it always goes down.

    12. Re:Relationship of technology to this election? by shanen · · Score: 1

      What part of "pointless and closed" are you unable to understand?

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    13. Re:Relationship of technology to this election? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah baby! This is exactly what I was just telling him to expect. You are such a droll little troll... Please go away..

  38. Dilbert used to be funny by shanen · · Score: 1

    I think the money went to his head a long while ago and it became a boring business. I think he lost his sense of humor, too, but he's getting ideas from around the Web and he has hired a couple of editors to pick the ones he illustrates for his strip. Nothing that feels like his originality there.

    As regards Trump, I think it was a head fake. If Trump wins, he gets to say "I told you so" and if Trump loses he'll claim credit and say "If I hadn't scared, you then Trump could have won."

    I still can't understand the rabid hatred of Hillary (except for the misogynists), though their viciousness has finally got me to like her a little bit in spite of the lawyer thing. I started neutral towards Trump, but now I think he's a pathological liar and I definitely hate liars. Probably a sociopath, too, but there are plenty of them running apparently successful businesses.

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  39. Uhh.... by easyTree · · Score: 2

    I'd have thought she'd have a 'Donate arms to ISIS whenever Donald Trump tweets" campaign

    1. Re:Uhh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about "Get a free Russian lesson whenever Donald tweets"?

  40. all bashingcomes at a cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoever wins will have to deal with the hate rhetoric they used during campaign. It looks like HC is going to win and she will have to deal with white old males - either send them to reeducation camps, castrate or execute or all of these. City hates the rest of Britain and the rest of Britain hates the City. This did not result in war just yet but has a potential. I wonder what will happen in US with this sort of 'potential'.

  41. I've seen it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Every time you attack our troops, we will kill 20 civilians. See that your actions come at a cost!"

  42. I did not need to be told that by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Even if I wanted to give her money, her organization is not exactly know for being brilliant at security.

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  43. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check -- missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod parent down please because the {insert your evil doer offering you money} doesn't offer you money for nothing. Yes, you can spent it on whatever you like, but they always expect something in return! And you'd better deliver it or they will make you pay twice for it, if they can.

  44. wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What stops Trump from setting a bot to tweet every single minute? Suddenly overnight folks are out quite a bit of cash (potentially) and pretty irritated with Hiliery...

    *Disclaimer* I don't support either candidate. Politics suck*

  45. Damn 1%ers by jittles · · Score: 2

    This clearly is targeting 1%ers. Who else could afford to donate even a few cents every time Trump says something stupid? Just further proof that Clinton is in bed with the rich elite, though probably not with her own husband.

    1. Re:Damn 1%ers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just if he says something stupid. Any tweet. If it was when he tweeted something stupid they would not get many cents...

    2. Re:Damn 1%ers by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      If I had a few cents for every time Trump tweeted something stupid, I'd be richer than Trump!

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  46. Donald - tweet a MILLION times tonight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do a Million tweets, Hillary might get more money, but the shock on her supporters when they get the bill will be worth it.
    Ha Ha Ha.
    It will be like the tax bill anyone with a job will get if Hillary wins.
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  47. bomb it with whitespace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he emitted say 10000 tweets of single character, then an hour later took them back, or claimed there was a hack, then this approach would win a bit of bad blood for Hillary. She would get the money she wants, but way more than anyone wanted to give her.

    This is the best our modern (crappy) culture has for determine qualification for excellent leadership: "did it tweet" and "give me cash". Sad commentary.

  48. Fact check by XXongo · · Score: 4, Informative

    You do understand that the Clinton foundation proves only a small percentage to an actual charity.

    Politifact rates that statement: false.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/25/reince-priebus/reince-priebus-false-claim-80-clinton-foundation-c/
    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/

    1. Re:Fact check by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Politi-"fact" is a useless leftist partisan hack site. Compare statements made by Ron Paul (R) and Jim Webb (D). They are saying almost exactly the same thing. Paul's statement gets "half-true", but Webb's gets "mostly-true".

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    2. Re:Fact check by publiclurker · · Score: 2

      in other words, you ignore reality because it constantly shows you to be wrong.

    3. Re: Fact check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a small percentage of Clinton Foundation dollars actually reach the operatives fomenting violence at Trump rallies.

    4. Re: Fact check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just so you know many people ignore fact checkers as they are completely biased. I think if you actually link to the original sources and let readers decide, your statement would sound more credible. We arnt so stupid as to need one word to tell us if something is false or not.

  49. Ugh. Testing the definition of 'new low' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The last thing Hillary legitimately needs is more money. What a cow, and no, I dodn't and won't vote for Trump. Troll me, please.

  50. Re:OMG that's a dodgy check -- missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    This!

    At this scale, the money is given to receive favours.

  51. Another reason not to vote for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    She has no respect for the 1st amendment and is trying to suppress Trump's right to free speech. Sadly the brainwashed masses continue to believe the left-wing assault on America's freedoms. Have fun watching your jobs get outsourced to India and Twitter bots if Hillary gets elected.

  52. So, expect a twitter storm from Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Money is far from a problem for the Clinton campaign so this only hurts prospective Clinton donors not Trump...

  53. Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts by XXongo · · Score: 0

    Politi-"fact" is a useless leftist partisan hack site.

    I notice that people like to say that fact checking is biased whenever the facts turn out to be different from whatever their side is saying.

    Yes, it's so easy to just say "the fact checking site is biased"! Once you've said that, you don't even need to look at what it says: you can say it's wrong without even bothering to know what it said. All of the fact check sites, of course, give citations and links and sources, but when you say "I don't need to look at that, it's biased!" it's like a "get out of fact-check free" card-- you can ignore the citations and links and sources without even looking at them.

    Not even a particular thing of the right; the left does it too. But I do have to say, the right seems to be doing it more lately.

    1. Re:Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Hey, when any "news source" manages to contradict your own personal first hand experience the only rational reaction is to be VERY skeptical.

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    2. Re:Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      Sure, they source things and explain why they rated things the way they did (like rating Obama's statement that "people buy guns over the Internet without a background check" during a speech calling for better background check laws as TRUE by qualifying the statement with "He never said people do that legally).

      But no one ever looks at that. They look at the rating which often has twisted justifications that are, yes, clearly biased. But, like I said, no one looks at the justification. In fact, they will propagate nonsense like a aggregate of a bunch of rating as if they were unassailable facts to judge the "truthfulness" of one candidate or organization compared to another. When all that aggregate really tells you is how biased those "fact check" sites actually are.

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    3. Re:Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because their candidate is a fucking embarrassment.

    4. Re:Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's so easy to just say "the fact checking site is biased"! Once you've said that, you don't even need to look at what it says: you can say it's wrong without even bothering to know what it said.

      That seems a bit ironic that you would say that, as it seems you didn't bother to read the examples I posted. The two candidates said essentially the same thing, and Politi"fact"'s rationale was basically the same for both, but they gave different ratings.

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    5. Re:Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 0

      Hey, when any "news source" manages to contradict your own personal first hand experience the only rational reaction is to be VERY skeptical.

      Did you even bother to check the links I provided before you decided to spout off a flamebait response? That was only one example, there are hundreds more out there. It seems like I questioned something that doesn't contradict your own personal first hand experience, so your "rational" reaction was to be VERY skeptical of what I wrote.

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    6. Re:Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts by greythax · · Score: 1

      I agree with you, that example is inconsistent. Depending on how pedantic one wishes to be, you can argue that having an income tax with a rate of 0% is different than not having an income tax, at least legally, but why wander down that twisty road. The truth o meter, however, is missing the forest for the trees. The real power of politifact is the articles themselves. You can read how they arrived at their conclusions and decide if you feel the same. That's how I use it. Unfortunately for conservatives, reality has a liberal bias.

    7. Re:Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Is that it?
      I agree that one example is a little inconsistent, but it's not like it said one is right and one is wrong. Do you have any others?
      It's certainly not enough to write off the entire site from one minor inconsistency, especially since as far as fact checkers go they are usually pretty solid. Maybe you should contact them and let them know? They might acknowledge it and fix it up. Remember, Democracy is not a spectator sport.

    8. Re:Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts by YouGotTobeKidding · · Score: 1

      Yes reality has a liberal bias BUT that is not the same as saying reality has a progressive bias. Hillary is NOT a LIBERAL. Bernie is NOT a LIBERAL. The DNC and RNC are not liberals.

      Liberal comes from the word LIBERTY that is what a liberal was - and what it meant when that quote was created.

      Learn some history and realize that you are falling for slick propaganda.

  54. Greedy. Already getting rich from foundation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Greedy. Already getting rich from foundation.

  55. Conversely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... just because businesses spend money on something, it doesn't mean it is effective.

  56. If I were Trump ... by Dishevel · · Score: 1

    I would set up a bot to tweet stupid shit 5000 times a day to give Hillary all the monies. I would troll the shit out of the donors.

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    1. Re:If I were Trump ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would set up a bot to tweet stupid shit 5000 times a day....

      Exactly how is this different from what he is already doing? Is it that he is doing it now all by hand, rather than using a bot?

    2. Re:If I were Trump ... by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      It would be different by doing it 5000 times a day.
      My comment was fairly short. Used no big words. I fail to understand how you could misread it.

      Possibly you are under the impression that Trump tweets 5000 times a day already. Where did you get this idea from?

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    3. Re:If I were Trump ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be different by doing it 5000 times a day.

      My comment was fairly short. Used no big words. I fail to understand how you could misread it.

      Possibly you are under the impression that Trump tweets 5000 times a day already. Where did you get this idea from?

      ????? Do you really need to ask? Seriously?!? This is a man who has been known to frequently engage in what one of his rivals in the primaries referred to as "Trumper tantrums". I have no doubt his twitter rants will be noted in the history books as a peculiar feature of this election cycle. I might even go so far as to say that they are evidence of some deep-seated psychological pathology. (In fact, if I were his campaign manager the first thing I would do would be to take away all of his cell phones/tablets/laptops/other electronics and demand that I be put in charge of his twitter account to stop him from doing any more self harm.) He may not have yet reached 5000 tweets per day but I'm sure he is not that far off either.

    4. Re:If I were Trump ... by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Show me a day where he hit 10% of that or fuck off like the dumb ass partisan AC you are.

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  57. Utter bullshit by HBI · · Score: 1

    Talk about a left wing canard. Nixon didn't do that. He said he didn't, others said he didn't. I believe him. Clifford was a paranoid and your source is a
    freelance science writer with no credentials.

    Now, the truth.

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  58. King of copping a feel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now the Queen of Fraud has found another way to bilk taxpayers out of their hard-earned money. Just remember that your Clinton Presidential Campaign donations fund her warmongering plans which will trigger World War 3!

    The King of Copping a Criminal Feel has bilked plenty of "the little people" out of money, himself.

    So I say, better her plans, than his knee-jerk reaction.

  59. Re:English language obfuscation contest: First pri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy fucking WHOOSH, dude!!

  60. She will be a billionaire in no time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will be YUUUUGE!!!

    CAPTCHA: wiping.

    Heh. As in, wiping her ass with his toupee, per chance?

  61. Br!dge 4 5aLe!! R33L Ch33P!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ca11 ^^e

  62. Free speech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So... speech is no longer free?

    Thanks!

  63. This answers the question by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Where the $12 million from the King of Morocco went in the pay-for-play days as Secretary of State!

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  64. All My Idea by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

    We've been playing the Trump Drinking Game based on his "compulsive behaviors" at the debates.
    Each debate, someone does a shot when he sniffs, interrupts the moderator, or says any of "let me tell you," "I'm very proud of it," "it's a (total) disaster," "worst [something] ever," "disgusting," "believe me," and "sad" (may have been others, but I may have passed out).
    Everybody drinks if he leans into the microphone and says "wrong", boasts about his company, or says "nobody respects women more than me."

    Great times. Wasted inside the first 40 minutes.
    No more debates.
    Sad.

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  65. Your argument is poor by XXongo · · Score: 1

    Actually I did, but it was so dubious it was barely worth commenting on. These are cherry picked results: how many fact check articles did you have to go through to find two that support your pre-determined conclusion?

    You were comparing two articles written by two different people, on different fact check sites (one was politifact Texas, one politifact Virginia), written years apart.

    Nevertheless, they both said pretty much exactly the same thing. So, you're not objecting to the actual facts in the articles. Because the facts are the same. So, since you're not disputing that, let's start by agreeing that the actual text part of the fact check is accurate and not biased.

    So, what you're objecting to is the fact that, in an article where the text concluded that the statement was partly true, one person labelled this "half true" and the other person labelled it "mostly true." That's within normal variation, I'm afraid: two people wrote the articles, years apart, and their judgement call was very slightly different. Your conclusion that it is "bias" is unsupported.

    You'd have to show me some statistics before I can accept that hypothesis. Here's a challenge: why don't you fact-verify, say, the most recent 100 politifact fact checks (or any other set of data that you didn't cherry pick to find ones that support your conclusion), and show the statistics on error?

  66. What a fool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    negroids ain't got no money.

  67. How's the Kool Aid taste? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Kool Aid must taste great, at the rate your chugging it.

    Only one thing - you forgot to use your Foxbot voice:

    According to who?

    Trump just nailed yet another debate. The polls are all being done by the same media that's biased against Trump. People don't want to admit to supporting Trump because Hillary supporters are prone to acts of violence against Trump supporters. Don't forget that Clinton's campaign sent thugs to pretend to be Bernie supporters to cause riots at Trump rallies.

    Wikileaks isn't done leaking material yet. Ecuador (at John Kerry's request) may be trying to delay them, but there are contingencies in place. The information will be released. October isn't over and the October Surprise hasn't been released yet.

    538 shows Hillary having around an 85% chance of winning - which is high, but that means Trump has a 15% chance, which is the same as rolling a 18, 19, or 20 on a 20-sided die. It's easily possible.

    Just wait and see. November 8th is still three weeks away, there's still time to finally break through the mainstream media's pro-Clinton firewall.

  68. Trump to make money every time Hillary lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The REAL money to be had, is if Trump makes money on every time Clinton or her campaign has lied!

  69. Do you people ever learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Politics on Slashdot is just a bad idea. Techies are as sharply divided as anyone else.
    Nevertheless, let the fucktardery begin.