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Internet is Becoming Unreadable Because of a Trend Towards Lighter, Thinner Fonts (telegraph.co.uk)

An anonymous reader writes: The internet is becoming unreadable because of a trend towards lighter and thinner fonts, making it difficult for the elderly or visually-impaired to see words clearly, a web expert has found. Where text used to be bold and dark, which contrasted well with predominantly white backgrounds, now many websites are switching to light greys or blues for their type. Award winning blogger Kevin Marks, founder of Microformats and former vice president of web services at BT, decided to look into the trend after becoming concerned that his eyesight was failing because he was increasingly struggling to read on screen text. He found a 'widespread movement' to reduce the contrast between the words and the background, with tech giants Apple, Google and Twitter all altering their typography. True black on white text has a contrast ratio of 21:1 -- the maximum which can be achieved. Most technology companies agree that it is good practice for type to be a minimum of 7:1 so that the visually-impaired can still see text. But Mr Marks, found that even Apple's own typography guidelines, which recommended 7:1 are written in a contrast ratio of 5.5:1.

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  1. And... NO CONTRAST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's not forget that the Internet decided a couple of years ago that contrast was a bad thing, and that foreground and background had to be the same color and almost the same shade.

    1. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Informative

      All major text editors have also moved to light grey on darker grey text.

      And lets not go into websites with white-on black for extra afterimage after you try to read them (eg. hackaday).

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    2. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OK, let's see:

      http://komodoide.com/komodo-ed...
      https://www.sublimetext.com/
      https://code.visualstudio.com/
      https://atom.io/
      https://panic.com/coda/ (nice example of low-contrast website as well)
      https://www.jetbrains.com/webs...

      That was pretty fucking easy.

      If you want more examples then just type something like "best text editor" into google images and weep at the acres of grey-on-grey images that appear.

      Here, let me do it for you seeing as how you're a bit out of the loop: https://encrypted.google.com/s...

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    3. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think I may have found the problem,

      If you search for "best text editor for web development" they're all grey-on grey.

      Web "designers" are probably adjusting their monitor's contrast settings to make them usable. Result: Unusable web sites because making sites with any contrast hurts their eyes.

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    4. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by skids · · Score: 2

      And lets not go into websites with white-on black for extra afterimage after you try to read them (eg. hackaday).

      Am I the only one who actually finds light text on darker background easier to read?

      I just wish webdevs would let the users decide, at least for primart text content, through browser settings instead of hardcoding everything.

    5. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by darkain · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sure, for an extremely exaggerated definition of "grey" - Just checked SublimeText's default theme: the text color is #F8F8F2, so just a hint of a shade off of absolute pure white leaning to yellow. The background, however, is indeed a "dark grey", but very well contrasted, as it is #272822. The default font is also a nice bold font which is easy to read. The other text editors on your list also follow a very similar style to this too.

    6. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Go and read http://www.hackaday.com/ for a couple of minutes then come back here and re-read what you just posted. Don't your eyes go funny?

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    7. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Informative

      Jesus H. That's like the anorexic fashion show of editors. There's nothing of substance there.

      VIM: Whatever my terminal is, which is white on black.
      Emacs: Whatever my terminal is, which is white on black.
      Notepad++: Black on white.
      BBedit: Black on white.

      That covers all of them I think, over Linux, Windows and MacOs. Nothing else matters.

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    8. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by skids · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nope. Even when I get a headache and associated monocular diplopia, I still prefer my terminals (all light-on-dark) to websites (these days, practically all dark on light). I get the diplopia on light backgrounds as well, and the overall brightness makes my headache worse.

    9. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by bmo · · Score: 2

      >All major text editors have also moved to light grey on darker grey text.

      To which I change to cyan on dark blue.

      It's like I'm still in Turbo Pascal.

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    10. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by CptLoRes · · Score: 2

      Have you considered there is a reason your searches for "best text editor", "best programming color scheme" etc. result in similar looking 'low contrast' schemes. If they are so bad and people don't use them, why are they so popular then? Here is a hint. Try sitting in front of a computer reading text and coding all day, every day using a full contrast black on white editor and your brain is going to fry. For people with normal vision it is much less taxing on the eyes during long sessions using a well designed low contrast scheme designed for the task. Something like for example Obsidian or similar that you further tweak to your personal taste/sight.

    11. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Web "designers" are probably adjusting their monitor's contrast settings to make them usable.

      Close, but that's not it!

      As a guy who owns a laptop with a somewhat-worse-than-typical screen as well as a high-color-and-contrast-accuracy IPS monitor, I know what's going on:

      Web designers often have nice monitors because they're concerned about color accuracy. Nice monitors also have good contrast.

      Remember a while back when folks were going apeshit about how the border around Google's "Sponsored Results" was invisible, and they would post screenshots that "proved" this? I would look at those screenshots on my laptop and say "Yep, that border is invisible". I would look at those same screenshots on my nice monitor and say "Nope, that border is clearly visible.".

      Noone is adjusting anything to make those web dev text editors usable. The designers just have decent monitors. If the market worked correctly, _everyone's_ monitor would have perceptually perfect color accuracy, 10bpp+ color range, and good contrast. Sadly, the market does not.

    12. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by reboot246 · · Score: 2

      It's not just text editors. Graphics and photo editing programs are going the same way. The one I use the most, DXO, is getting harder to read. I'm using an older version of Photoshop because the new versions are low contrast.

      I'm 63 and have fairly good near vision. I mostly need glasses for vision from a few feet to infinity. There's no problem with sites using a high contrast scheme, but those where the background is gray and the text is light gray are impossible to read. I usually hit CTRL-A to select all the text. It's not perfect, white text on dark blue, but it helps.

      If you are serious about your website and have a desire to communicate, then make the damned thing readable. Stop being artsy.

    13. Re:And... NO CONTRAST by SimonInOz · · Score: 2

      It's not just the Internet. Just the other day I was trying to read some cooking instructions. They were printed in something like 4 point type in white on gold, on a plastic bag. My 14 year old daughter could read them, but I could not. (Disclaimer - I am 60 and have triple focus implanted lenses in my eyes, but still have trouble reading in poor light).

      And this perpetual dark grey on light grey tiny font stuff - if you want me to use your site, I'd better be able to read it!

      So get off that green stuff (I think it's a lawn).

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  2. Nothing new by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Idiots that value appearance over function have been around for a very long time. People only take them seriously for a little while, although management does take longer.

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    1. Re:Nothing new by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It certainly isn't new; but it is, arguably, even more glaring(and idiotic) now that 'mobile' is such a thing.

      Yes, the graphic designer who thinks that he's god's gift to beauty because the site 'looks good' on his color-calibrated multi-thousand-dollar Eizo has always deserved a smack; but that's especially true now that it is more likely that his target audience isn't just viewing the results on a smaller, cheaper, screen than he is; but on a tiny smartphone LCD, backlight dimmed for battery life, with a mirror finish to pick up every stray reflection and hint of sunlight.

      Form over function has always been a danger; and failure to test your output on a reasonable simulation of what people will actually view it on has always been a mistake; but the contrast is particularly glaring when the gulf between the sort of screens that 'content creators' tend to use and the average quality of screens site visitors are using is so enormous. It has always been there; but it has not always been so wide.

    2. Re:Nothing new by Incadenza · · Score: 2

      Form over function has always been a danger; and failure to test your output on a reasonable simulation of what people will actually view it on has always been a mistake; but the contrast is particularly glaring when the gulf between the sort of screens that 'content creators' tend to use and the average quality of screens site visitors are using is so enormous. It has always been there; but it has not always been so wide.

      It's not the screen quality where the gap is - it is the eye quality. Designers tend to be young, between 20 and 30, and design for their peers. They have no idea that eyesight deteriorates that fast with age, they just can't image.

      Add to that the principle that we tend to find things prettier when their outline is less defined (which happens when you reduce the contrast) and you have recipe for disaster. Designer lowers contrast up till the point where he can still read it, but barely. Everyone with worse eyesight, which is everyone 10 or more years older, can't read the text anymore.

  3. Indeed by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What designer originally came up with the idea that light grey, 8 point text in a thin font on bright white background was the height of sophistication? And how did this idea spread??? It's not just the elderly having problems -- normal-vision people I talk to hate it too. The web is an information medium, not a coffee-table book that no one will actually read the text of.

    I know the trend is minimalism now, but even Microsoft rolled back some of the crazier design changes they made. Visual Studio became unusable around the Windows 8 era, and they've only recently added back a "dark background" mode and removed the monochrome icons. Apple shows no sign of doing anything to improve this problem. And a whole fleet of Silicon Valley startups are cargo-culting this whole design philosophy...I just wish someone influential would say something.

    1. Re: Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Apple did it so people cannot read all the complaints on their customer support pages.

    2. Re:Indeed by Moof123 · · Score: 2

      If you goal is to communicate information to users then hard to read stuff is idiotic. If you goal is to wow your boss, VC funder, or anything like that then you might as well fill the text with latin and the style look awesome from the 10,000 foot view.

      User interfaces are on a steady decline. Too many features lead MS to replace menus with the ribbon, which was a horrible cure for a real problem. Almost every program I have used scales very poorly with higher DPI screens. The few that actually pay attention often end up with awkward.

      I'm currently dredging through Cadence documentation on how to get the dozen or so font call-outs to be large enough to read on my 4K screen, as they shrank a bunch of already small text int he latest release and are DPI agnostic as a matter of course. There is no central location for setting fonts, but rather an unholy peppering of variables, each one requires hunting down and tinkered with.

    3. Re:Indeed by Calydor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sad but true.

      Having all information lately pushed in the form of images and videos doesn't help - I still haven't found a reliable means of searching for that one video where someone said ...

      I remember the internet back in the late 90s, when everyone had their own little corner of the net to publish the things they wanted to share with the world, and it was all in text. There was a lot of crap, sure, but you could find the stuff you wanted to. Now I get the feeling that looking up news from just last month is an exercise in futility as it gets buried in pointless results; that is, if there even is something to search for and it wasn't just a picture meme that will be forever lost.

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  4. Its not the thinner fonts... by MindPrison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...its the insane resolutions that most people dont need.

    Do you really need a 2560 x 1600 Pixel screen on your 10 Inch Android or whatever-pad? Im in my 50s, and I dont even need prescription glasses according to my doctor. I see just fine. And the screen Im typing (and gaming) with right now is a 27" 1920 x 1080 pixel screen. When Im 50 cm (about 2 feet) away from it, I cant see a single pixel, but the sharpness of the fonts is just fine. But if you replace that with a UHD (4K) screen at the same size, your fonts will be reduced and youll have a lot more screen real-estate, but it will be finnicky to read and look at (even to my 10-12 year old students at school).

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    1. Re:Its not the thinner fonts... by omnichad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      UHD doesn't require you to fit more on your screen. You can also keep everything the same size at a much higher DPI, for better sharpness and clarity (edge contrast is contrast too). Or find somewhere nice in the middle. For those with high visual acuity, it's nice not having blurry edges.

    2. Re:Its not the thinner fonts... by ADRA · · Score: 2

      What's missing from your system is either proper DPI or Android's DIP (probably the best measure) adjustments.

      Dots-per-Inch (DPI) world: If you have a 10 point font, it should be the exact same physical ruler size if you measured a word on basically any monitor assuming they were correctly specifying their DPI setting in their EDID. Of course there are distortions in monitor pixels, etc.. but should be darn close.

      Device Independent Pixel (DIP) world: The OS must knows the 'context' of the screen (aka distance from the viewer's eye). They use the DPI of the panel and multiply by some factor based on how far away a human reader 'should' be from the screen. If you're 10 feet away vs. 10 inches, the number of physical inches representing that same character can vary wildly, but the human perceivable size of the words should 'feel' about the same size.

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    3. Re:Its not the thinner fonts... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2

      It's great with low visual acuity as well. I find that on 1920x1080 ClearType can sometimes render fonts as horrible pixelated, badly kerned messes that are harder to read than the same fonts with no hinting applied whatsoever. At 3840x2160 that issue disappears.

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  5. Accessibility options by omnichad · · Score: 2

    And with browsers allowing stylesheet overrides and increasing support for screen readers, why should design be done for the lowest common denominator?

    Simply zooming in will make low-contrast text easier to read.

    1. Re:Accessibility options by cmiller173 · · Score: 2

      or Ctrl-a and reading white on blue.

    2. Re:Accessibility options by omnichad · · Score: 2

      A lot of web sites override those colors too. And often the selection color is even worse...though that would be what I would use override CSS for (if I needed it) - so I can see the original design until I highlight as needed.

    3. Re:Accessibility options by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A lot of sites break if you try to zoom in or change the default fonts. Word wraps don't align properly. Letters start to overlap pictures or sidebar menus.

      The entire concept of the WWW as Berners-Lee conceived it was that the website would transmit information to the client, and the client's browser would display it in a format most suitable for the client display device. That way the exact same web page would work on a tiny cell phone screen or gargantuan 50" 4k TV used as a screen. Neither of those existed at the time, but he had enough foresight to predict a wide variation in client display sizes and requirements.

      But the people who became web designers were formerly page layout designers. They revolted. They were used to printed paper, where they controlled everything the reader saw - fonts, font sizes, text wrap around photos, columns, etc. Their ego couldn't stand ceding some of that control to the reader, so they fought tooth and nail to bring that control back to themselves. The early flash-only websites were their first salvo. Everyone hated flash sites, but they loved them because it would display exactly and only as they designed it. If the 1024 pixel width they chose didn't fit in someone's 800x600 monitor? Well obviously it was the reader's fault and they needed to upgrade to a better GPU and monitor. Modern websites are so design-centered that they actually have to create two different sites for display on large computer monitors vs small phone and tablet screens. There's almost nothing left under the client's control that can be modified without breaking something about the site.

    4. Re:Accessibility options by lgw · · Score: 3, Informative

      But the people who became web designers were formerly page layout designers. They revolted. They were used to printed paper, where they controlled everything the reader saw - fonts, font sizes, text wrap around photos, columns, etc. Their ego couldn't stand ceding some of that control to the reader, so they fought tooth and nail to bring that control back to themselves.

      In the early days this wasn't true. Good print designers know how to choose fonts and whitespace that will scale properly and keep a nice layout as you scale font size up and down. It was the managers and PMs, insisting that the web page look exactly like they wanted, on every monitor, like it was a magazine page. "The name of the company can't be smaller than 2 inches, the branding spec says so!" "On what size monitor?" "Don't bother me with your geeky trivialities!".

      The "designers" willing to put up with that shit gradually drove out the old heads who knew what actually looked good. Now fashion has replaced 3 centuries of science about legibility.

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    5. Re:Accessibility options by tepples · · Score: 2

      CSS breakpoints make it possible to create a design and have it look consistent (not identical) across all possible screen sizes. You can have style/design/personality and still 100% fulfill that original vision of the web.

      One thing you can't get with CSS breakpoints is efficient transmission of more detailed information to UAs with larger* screens and less detailed information to users with smaller screens. You have to send HTML containing both the more detailed information and the less detailed information and use display:none in CSS to hide one or the other depending on the breakpoint. Then the user has to pay up to $10/GB** to download the HTML of both, one to view and the other to throw away unread.

      If they created a modern WebTV device now

      Microsoft has had a modern WebTV device ever since the Xbox 360 added Internet Explorer.

      * Measured in square ems, to be specific.
      ** Typical price of mobile Internet or satellite home Internet in the United States market.

    6. Re:Accessibility options by omnichad · · Score: 2

      more detailed information to UAs with larger* screens and less detailed information to users with smaller screens

      This is a bad way to do mobile design. Nobody wants to be forced to use a desktop computer to see the whole web page.

      Using CSS to hide one element or show another is bad design, too. You can use those breakpoints to resize/reshape/reposition the content. One single copy of the content displayed two different ways. You can even use lower resolution versions of background images depending on screen size.

      The real threat to bandwidth usage is ASP.Net Web Forms and HTML bloat by really inefficient design tools - or worse, embedded CSS/Javascript in the HTML that can't be cached from page view to page view.

  6. GeoCities and even "professional" sites by Negafox · · Score: 2

    "Where text used to be bold and dark, which contrasted well with predominantly white backgrounds" Huh. I remember brightly colored text, black backgrounds and rotating GIFs.

  7. Found the Windows user! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Windows users always think higher resolution means smaller fonts. Proper operating systems automatically render the fonts based on the monitor's DPI.

    1. Re:Found the Windows user! by Rakarra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it doesn't matter the OS when the website mixes em, %, and px for sizing. you can still find plenty of sites with px defined left/right margins.

      I'm not sure why this was modded troll. The above is true to a point, though it doesn't tell the whole story. These days I find most web sites use images (blank, or bg color) to create spacing, and most web browsers, by default, scale images up as well along with the text, so those spacers get scaled up along with the text.

      My biggest problem is with websites that enforce a traditional page-style format for their pages, such that when you scale things up to make it easier to read, it's like you're just taking a magnifying glass to the page. That's way too rigid a page design, but it fits squarely in the aesthetics of someone who used to do traditional layout on paper pages.

    2. Re:Found the Windows user! by sexconker · · Score: 2

      What we need is a render target, where CSS can say "render this shit as 16x9, 1920x1080", and then the browser can obey (or tweak), and then scale.
      So if you use pixel scaling (and in many cases you still need to) it'll still work.

      The way it works now is all backwards. You specify targets and sizes and create different rules for each. Then you have dozens of sets of CSS and it's a mess to maintain and test. It almost makes sense for the handful of non-screen media types that no one deals with, but not really.

      Just flip it around. Make the CSS tell the browser what the page should look, as intended. Stop using CSS to try to catch dozens of common resolutions (while making a mess of anything in between should a user not maximize). Specify a ratio and let the browser (or user!) decide to rotate, zoom, scale, pan, or whatever. Specifying a res also handles enables full pixel-based scaling and positioning in your layout, the only issue will be possible rounding errors after scaling. I believe HTML 5's canvas shit already works on a similar principle.

      All the big sites already shit on convention by making the page scroll endlessly, moving content around when a user scrolls to create stupid effects, etc.

  8. Re:If you can't see the text by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

    Or use the "Read Easily" addon for Firefox - flip the bird at all those "designers".

    The "designers" won't be happy until the page appears to contain no information at all - 100% clean and clear.

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  9. Re:Everything old is new again by omnichad · · Score: 2

    It's somewhat good design. For bright screens, black on white can be harsh-looking. Part of the blame lies on people never tweaking blown out default settings on their screens - especially at larger screen sizes.

    That doesn't mean body text should all be lightened (which I know some sites also do), but headline text and graphic overlay text should at least deserve special treatment.

    I also wonder if ClearType isn't partly to blame. You get finer edges, but the color fringing kind of hurts the eyes at times.

  10. UI chases fads by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Part of the problem is that modern UI designers chase fads. (The previous fad was antiskeuomorphism.)

    You can see this in the UI "devolution" of Photoshop and others tools:

    * The background used to be black on white, aka "light" themes.
    * Now "dark" themes are in vogue -- with white on black.

    Also, True Type / Postscript / Web fonts still don't support color gradients. The classic is the old vertical "Orange-Yellow-White" gradient font used in Raiders of the Lost Ark

    Yet back in 1992 this was trivial with bitmap fonts:

    * Ultima 7 Main Menu
    * Ultima 7 NPC Dialog

    Most UI designers are clueless about the difference print fonts (serif) and screen fonts (sans serif). I don't expect many of them to understand the pixel grid

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    1. Re:UI chases fads by omnichad · · Score: 2

      The previous fad was antiskeuomorphism

      The fad before that was skeuomorphism, which wasn't a great plan on its own either. The problem is that people are only copying design ideas without understanding the why - and that's when it becomes fad-like. And those are the people that decided that a floppy symbol was somehow skeuomorphic rather than representational - when the vast majority of computer users have never used a floppy disk (which is true when you consider home computer adoption was driven by Internet adoption - especially at the older ages - and the rest are too young to have used one).

    2. Re:UI chases fads by erapert · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (The previous fad was antiskeuomorphism.)

      And it was good, too. Skeuomorphic design is stupid and childish.

      * The background used to be black on white, aka "light" themes.

      And it was excruciating to look at for longer than a few minutes.

      * Now "dark" themes are in vogue -- with white on black.

      Good. Now I can get some work done without wiping blood off my cheeks.

    3. Re:UI chases fads by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      I think the "bright" themes were made for high-light situations. Lots of harsh office lights or outdoors work. If you work in a dimmer environment, the bright things are way too hard, but if I'm outside on a laptop or phone, the "dark" themes are pretty illegible.

    4. Re:UI chases fads by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Skeuomorphic design is stupid and childish.

      There is a name for myopic people who assumes their religion is "best" for everyone; their immature "my way is the only way" mentality is called a cult.

      The *proper* solution is to give users a **choice** -- because good style is subjective.

      Naturally, that begs the question, what is good? We'll get to that in a second.

      Some people think this bookshelf is absolutely beautiful. Compare and contrast to the "modern" version which is bland and boring. All sense of charm, and uniqueness is flushed down the crapper -- Amazon, Apple, Google, and Microsoft now all look the same. **Yawn**

      I'm not the only one who hates the flat button look. All these modern designs look the same -- bland. Skeuomorphism matches what a real calculator looks like -- and you can pry my HP48SX from my cold, dead hands, thank-you very much.

      Again, the best decision would be to match what users prefer. Some prefer the former, others prefer the latter. BOTH choices are OK. But designers love to pretend that they know better -- and shove their crap down my throat regardless if I like it or not.

      Personally, I find antiskeuomorphism design to be dumb and gaudy -- as there no context for what is foreground and background. Congratulations, you've removed all signal and just made everything noise!. How is completely over-loading the user with noise helping them???

      Maybe you prefer the gaudy, boxy design of Windows 1, er, Windows 8, but many people sure don't.

      UI should be about empowering users -- NOT "let's make everything look bland, sterile, gaudy, lifeless and make me want to gouge my eyes out" because that's what modern UI has become. A clusterfuck of visual vomit.

      IMO skeuomorphism is like spice

      * Too much and you get indigestion.
      * Too little and everything is "flat" and lacking.

      I also disagree that "flat design" is skeuomorphic but that is a topic for another day.

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    5. Re:UI chases fads by jandrese · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought white on black was good if you are in a dark room, and black on white is good if you are in a well lit room.

      So the solution is obvious, we need a browser extension that turns the room lights on or off depending on the site you are currently visiting.

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    6. Re:UI chases fads by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Preach it brother!

      Worse, all sense of color has been removed -- icons are now monochromatic.

      * Before users had two ways ways to identify icons: color, and silhouette.
      * Now with "flat shading" users only have 1 way to identify icons: silhouette.

      And this "flat" stuff is 'better' ??? NOT.

  11. "By the dragon embroidered on my butt pockets!" by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 5, Funny

    My plea to designers and software engineers: Ignore the fads...

    Web designers? Ignore a fad?

    Hahahahahahahahahaha!

  12. Re:Style sheet override, CTRL+MouseWheelUp by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    You can enforce your own style sheet and scale the website up if you need to. What's the problem?

    Often it breaks stuff. Ad panels overlap and cover things up, text doesn't wrap properly or at all, etc.

    Sites don't want to make it easy to extract just the text, because that makes ad-blocking easier. They thus force you to read it their way under their conditions.

  13. Serif fonts by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    Indeed why do people think they invented serif fonts in the first place? I can no longer read my iphone without reading glasses and all they did was change the damn font thickness not it's size. This isn't a new discovery.

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  14. Re:How to do this joke on /.? by omnichad · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe you should consider the lameness of your joke - filter working as intended.

  15. Internet becoming unreadable by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

    Internet becoming unreadable because of lighter, more transparent content.

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  16. Re:If you can't see the text by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably a bit like the site you're looking at right now.

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  17. Mobile browsing by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 2

    I've noticed that after getting a 4K screen, I've felt much less need to zoom in to view text.

    On some level I think this is consequence of web designers targeting mobile first a lot of the time. You tend to have much larger DPI on mobile now, and so you can make lines thinner and trade some color contrast because you have much sharper detail.

  18. quick fix by blogagog · · Score: 3, Informative

    "ctrl +" will fix websites by making the text bigger in most or all browsers. Just fyi in case someone didn't know that.

    1. Re:quick fix by Blaskowicz · · Score: 2

      Another one : in Firefox, click on the bread sandwich and on "Customize..." right in the bottom. Drag'n'drop the zooming controls left to the bread sandwich button.
      Now it's a single click to zoom (or a few), and a single click on the zoom size brings it back to 100% too.

  19. CSS by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    Wasn't CSS supposed to let users pick different profiles or override a webpage's settings? Or has CSS just become purely decorative?

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    1. Re:CSS by omnichad · · Score: 2

      CSS has always been presentational/decorative. The "C" in CSS defined an easy way for a browser UI to let you override some settings easily - but these settings are underused and so are buried way down.

  20. Re:If you can't see the text by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Remember those crazy, utopian, idealists who tried to design web standards so that content and presentation could be, and would be, cleanly separated; and thus easily adapted to the requirements of just about any user agent out there?

    That dream isn't completely dead; but it sure doesn't get much respect from the cool kids(which can make the 'just impose your own CSS' trick pretty hairy on some of the touchier sites out there).

  21. Scripts on web pages, take ages to finish page. by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What annoys me the most is the effect of all those scripts on web pages. It's not possible to start reading many web pages for several seconds after it is initially rendered: I need to scroll down to read the text past the lead paragraph, but the scripts keep causing the page to be re-rendered and hence jump back up to the top again. Ugh!

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    1. Re:Scripts on web pages, take ages to finish page. by lgw · · Score: 2

      Your ad blocker isn't configured correctly.

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    2. Re:Scripts on web pages, take ages to finish page. by lgw · · Score: 2

      don't run an ad blocker and I see the behavior OP complained about every day .

      Yes, that was my point. It's the ads, you see. In case it's not clear, the problem you're having? It's the ads. They're what's causing that problem. The ads. In case it wasn't clear.

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  22. How to get this message across? by Geste · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At age 64, this article is timely for me. There are sites I would really like to read (example theintercept.com) but can not because they have fallen into the thrall of toney grey fonts as have so many others. In my example, I hardly think the people are bad people, but aren't they interested in getting their message out?

    So I looked around on that site for a link like "Feedback" or "Contact Us", but without any luck. Perhaps it was in the same grey font.

    Anyhow, I did find a "Jobs" link so I applied for a position of my own invention called "Web Usability Analyst, Part Time" and I explained my great interest in the position.

    Haven't heard back.

  23. Maximum Irony by brunes69 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The linked article itself is not even using black fonts.

    They are using #333333 which is a dark grey.

  24. Re:If you can't see the text by Nunya666 · · Score: 2

    Or use the "Read Easily" addon for Firefox - flip the bird at all those "designers".

    Why is that better? That removes all styles, which replaces one problem with another.

    The entire problem is stupid. Moronic designers who think trendy styles are better than true readability. I've used the Contact Us feature of many websites to complain about that trend. None have responded, and none have changed their sites.

    I guess I'll keep reading the comments, hoping to find a real solution.

  25. if only... by DavidMZ · · Score: 2

    I wouldn't say the content is getting more transparent. I would on the contrary that there is more and more trolling, unsubstantiated claims, and unverified / unverifiable information, because some people / nations have no interest of having a free internet and see it as a way to control populations.

    Damn, I used to love the internet!

  26. This makes me feel old by TJHook3r · · Score: 2

    Don't want to sound like an old fart, but I'm going to... the first web pages looked fairly similar to a printed page because the printed page is pretty much the ideal way to read. Jesus, some of us have grandparents who died in the war over Serif/Sans-Serif fonts.

  27. Re:How to do this joke on /.? by KlomDark · · Score: 2

    Here's how you do it:

  28. Not just the web by cliffjumper222 · · Score: 2

    I bought an Apple TimeCapsule and I couldn't read the instruction manual. I'm over 40 and usually don't have any problem with print, but the small light gray font they used beat me. I managed to work out how to use it from the web, but it pissed me off.

  29. Re:If you can't see the text by nukenerd · · Score: 2

    put your glasses on.

    Ignorant comment.

    A failing with older people's sight (and some younger ones) is reducing contrast due to increasing clouding of the eye's lenses and/or aqueous humour. Glasses cannot correct for that.

  30. Re:If you can't see the text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It broke for people who decided it was more important to satisfy their vision of the presentation than it was to deliver any useful content, and therefore threw in tons of hacks and complexity and stretched the model beyond all sanity. And let's be clear that that "vision of the presentation" had nothing to do with making anything any easier to use, conveying information more effectively, or anything like that. It was and is all about masturbating with design.

    It worked fine for people who actually had something to communicate and cared about that communication. Unfortunately those people seem to be a minority.