Slashdot Mirror


Tablet Shipments Decline For Eighth Straight Quarter, No Company Surpassed 10 Million Units (venturebeat.com)

Similar to the smartwatch market, the tablet market is in rough shape. According to estimates provided by IDC, the tablet market has been in decline for eight quarters in a row, and no company managed to ship more than 10 million units. VentureBeat reports: Q3 2016 saw a 14.7 percent year-over-year decline: 43 million units shipped worldwide, compared to 50.5 million units in the same quarter last year. Both Apple and Samsung saw their shipment numbers fall once again, though Apple gained share, up 1.9 points to 21.5 percent market share. Samsung slipped 0.9 points to 15.1 percent, but still shipped more than double the units than those behind it. This is the third time that Amazon has placed in the top five in a non-Q4 quarter -- typically, the company only shows up due to the holiday season. The company's low-cost Fire tablet has propelled the company to the top, though the growth shown is skewed by the fact that IDC did not include the 6-inch tablets offered by Amazon in Q3 2015. Lenovo shipped fewer units but grew 0.3 percent to 6.3 percent share, while Huawei shipped more units and gained 1.9 points to 5.6 percent. Both companies have maintained their positions for many quarters now and don't look like they will be displaced.

89 of 127 comments (clear)

  1. seems legit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The kids are fine with the tablet we have now, we'll replace it when it breaks but it runs Youtube, Bloons TD and Angry Birds just fine, no reason to upgrade it.

    1. Re:seems legit by quenda · · Score: 3

      Aside from market saturation, our phones are now so absurdly huge, we don't need no tablets.
      My phone is now actually bigger than my first tablet.

    2. Re:seems legit by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      Yup. I have an Asus TF700 (released 2012). If it weren't for the fact that it stopped getting security updates and then went into a seemingly unrecoverable boot loop (lesson learned: if you buy an Android tablet, unlock the bootloader as soon as you buy it!), it would still be completely fine for everything that I use a tablet for: the hardware is fine, the problems are all software. If I'd bought one with the same specs from a less crappy manufacturer than Asus then I'd still be happy with it now. 2011 iPads just stopped getting software updates, late 2012 and 2013 ones are still getting them. There's little reason to bother upgrading - newer tablets are incremental improvements and we passed 'good enough' a long time ago.

      I got a free HP TouchPad from the open source program just before they discontinued them and I'm still sad that WebOS died, but even that tablet would be fine in terms of hardware for a lot of uses (it's a bit bulky, but otherwise it's fine). Again, the software killed them (and, unfortunately, there's no recent CyanogenMod either and the old version doesn't support the latest TLS standard and so breaks with most web sites due to old cyphers and obsolete root certs).

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    3. Re:seems legit by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      They are stacking up around here - more than one tablet per person, and that's not counting phones/phablets.

      The new ones no longer do anything the old ones wouldn't do, except break more easily.

  2. No reason to upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I bought my kids iPad minis years ago. They all still work just fine.

    1. Re:No reason to upgrade by infernalC · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I did the Apple development stuff for my company for a while and had a ton of devices. My favorite is the iPad mini. You cannot beat it for indoor reading - it's just the right size. That said, it did not make the leap to iOS 10, so it will probably end up being in pwn3d soon. Security updates won't be there much longer - which is a shame. I hope someone finds a way to put a third party OS on it (maybe they have already - I just haven't looked yet).

    2. Re:No reason to upgrade by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can beat it for reading- Kindle paperwhites are far easier on the eyes, less likely to cause long term eye strain issues, and will never run out of juice in the middle of a trip. I'd never use a tablet over an e-ink device for reading.

      --
      I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
    3. Re:No reason to upgrade by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Unless you like to read with your head on a pillow at night. Hard to see a paperwhite screen there.

      --
      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    4. Re:No reason to upgrade by David_Hart · · Score: 2

      Unless you like to read with your head on a pillow at night. Hard to see a paperwhite screen there.

      Obviously you haven't been following the latest in Kindles. The new models have backlight. My Kindle Voyage even has automatic backlight dimming. It starts bright and then slowly dims at night with the lights off to prevent strain on your eyes when reading at night.

    5. Re:No reason to upgrade by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I just change my e-reader app to black background with white (more off white) text, and eyestrain issues disappeared.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    6. Re:No reason to upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But e-ink device only work fine for books bought through the e-ink shop.

      Not the original poster, but not true. All of my ebooks are either (1) from Humble Bundle sales, (2) converted manga/comics, and/or (3) pirated. Point is, I've never used my Kindle Paperwhite.online (mostly to avoid Firmware Updates*).

      It doesn't work that well for surfing or watching videos.

      Yes, it's an ebook reader. It just doesn't work well for other things*.

      And reading books. I still prefer a real book. I can't help it, I simply can't get used to an e-ink reader nor tablet.

      To each their own. I like physical books well enough, but nine times out of ten I'd prefer my Kindle. Mostly because (1) it holds a lot more content for the size, (2) I can use it in a variety of lighting conditions, (3) I have better control over the display** so I'm not stuck with whatever font/size the publisher decided was best, and (4) did I mention the piracy? :)

      * Actually, there are a few other things you can do. Like play text adventures. Or have it function as a simple calculator. But what it really leads to is...

      ** Unfortunately, the relatively small screen size is met with baked-in borders and a smaller (than I desire) selection of font sizes. So, I actually use a small patched version of the fonts to have no margins and use a slightly larger font (I think it's actually somewhere in-between the Kindle's two largest fonts, but it's so long since I used it natively to recall. Also, using more than the default 6 built-in fonts is a pain (you can include a "publisher" font but it's baked in, one per document. Still, Caecilia is nice enough for me to not really worry.

    7. Re:No reason to upgrade by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      +1. In my case it's a 10" Android tablet, but it's the same thing there, there's nothing in any newer tablet that makes it worth upgrading. It's the homeostasis point that PCs reached about what, ten years ago, but it only took a few years with tablets.

    8. Re:No reason to upgrade by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Right, which immediately removes all the supposed power-saving advantages of e-ink. My reader, a $50 Android tablet, also has a night mode, and redshifts at night so as not to cook my eyeballs.

      Plus I can still watch telly on it if I really want.

      --
      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    9. Re:No reason to upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No it does not. e-ink shits all over tables when it comes to energy usage. The back-light lasts for weeks, it uses a tiny amount of energy compared to an LCD screen. But don't like the real world influence your deluded reality. You are so attached to your crap you take it personally when the laws of physics shit on your perception. Hey, you're poor, no worries; but don't fool yourself or lie to others about reality. You'll grow up one day. And fix your teeth.

    10. Re:No reason to upgrade by Anonymous+Coward+912 · · Score: 1

      This is our experience as well. Older iPads still do everything we want and never seem to break. I'm having trouble imagining a feature that would cause me to upgrade before they either break or are no longer receiving OS upgrades.

    11. Re:No reason to upgrade by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Okay so tablets do use more power when the screen is on, so the tablet needs to be charged once a week rather than once a, what, month for you?

      Tell me again how you can watch multimedia content on your crappy Kindle. Or surf the net without waiting half a second for the screen to refresh.

      Does your Kindle auto-scroll? Honest question.

      --
      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  3. Market Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    New models dont really offer much over the previous ones at this point. Also, just because its falling doesn't mean it wont level out at some point.

    1. Re:Market Saturation by Guybrush_T · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Absolutely. And that's especially true if you look at Samsung tablets. The Tab S2 are more expensive and have a far worse screen than the Tab S. What the hell ?

      Anyway, that's just a stable market. Tablets are fine, they are useful but they are not replacing laptops as some had predicted and of course, growing is only temporary.

      I'm always amazed by some announcing things like "smartphone growth is slowing down !!" like it is the end of smartphones, or like markets could grow exponentially, forever. Some had this impression thanks to emerging markets (china, india) but smartphones, like tablets, are pretty old now, so it's only normal they reach their maximum.

    2. Re:Market Saturation by rickyslashdot · · Score: 1

      Actually, when laptops are creeping - rapidly - into the desktop market, and smart phones are slamming the tablet products, it's no real surprise that this niche product (the TABLET) is in terminal decline.

      MY real joy is that current desktop / server / workstation models are rapidly invading the 'super-computer' realm of only a decade (or less) ago.

      With fast (USB-3 & USB-c) external links to really fast drives in the multi-terabyte range, and memory capacities in the 30 gig ranges, along with octal-core CPUs and super-fast GPUs, and multi-processor-slot motherboards (blades) - a decent priced desktop system ($1,000 to $2,000 range) can outpace most of the cluster-super-computer systems of the 1990's and early 2000's.

      Go,GO,GOOOO MOORE'S LAW - - - which is really just a pragmatic observation of the transistor utilization / shrinkage being driven by the semiconductor industry.

      --
      redneck geek
    3. Re:Market Saturation by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Similar story here. I'm still using a Samsung Tab 10.2. I'd like to get an updated version, but Samsung can't be bothered to make one.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    4. Re:Market Saturation by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I see no reason to think tablets are in a terminal decline, any more than desktops were a while back. They're very useful for some purposes, and people are going to keep buying them, although not in as large numbers as they used to.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  4. Well ... yeah. by jxander · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this surprising?

    People who want tablets already have them by now. People who don't want them aren't going to buy one.

    You're left with a very small market segment. People who have a tablet old enough to warrant replacing, people who always wanted one but previously couldn't afford one, but then got a nice promotion at work or something ... and that's it?

    Unlike the smart watch market however, people do want tablets. It's a good form factor for media consumption. Sales should stabilize at some point. We're still just getting over the initial "gold rush" period to find the actually year-to-year purchase rate .

    --
    This signature is false.
    1. Re:Well ... yeah. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Is this surprising?

      People who want tablets already have them by now. People who don't want them aren't going to buy one.

      You're left with a very small market segment.

      We went through the same thing with the old feature phones. The sales always level off. At the spoint, there isn't a lot of impetus to buy a new one. Maybe the iPad pro, althhough it's kinda big. But otherwise, why buy a new one?

      The smartwatches were a failure, as a lot of us figured they would be. But seems like the only thing they are working on now is battery life. Even those who dislike Apple better hope they come up with something new so the industry can follow. Right now my Samsung Tab is looking just fine for the living room unit for years to come.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    2. Re:Well ... yeah. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      So tablet good for media consumption, hmmm? You left out one market segment, likely on purpose, people who bought tablets, found they had just purchased a useless toy and will likely never buy another one. So the tablet squeezed in between a smart big screen TV (no comparisson in viewing quality or comfort, craps all over tablet) and the phablet (portability craps all over the tablet and soon to come out enhanced output glasses, a big screen TV in your pocket).

      Reality is the only real value of tablets (due to lack of keyboards and limits in screen size) advanced remote controls for big screen smart TVs and that is pretty much it, in the domestic market.

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    3. Re: Well ... yeah. by jxander · · Score: 1

      You are correct, there are a lot of devices at very small increments infringing on each other.

      Your phablet might make a full tablet obsolete, but I prefer a smaller phone in my pocket day to day (still rocking my iPhone 5) so a Samsung Tab 10.1 is a great tool for browsing on the couch or watching videos while I cook. The on-screen keyboard won't replace a physical one, but it's certainly better than trying to type with a D-pad on my Roku.

      There is certainly no need to have every device at every marginal size increase, but for some people, a tablet fits perfectly into their setup.

      --
      This signature is false.
    4. Re:Well ... yeah. by Pulzar · · Score: 2

      You left out one market segment, likely on purpose, people who bought tablets, found they had just purchased a useless toy and will likely never buy another one.

      It probably depends on who you know or maybe it's an age thing, but I don't know anyone in this segment. Don't jump to conclusions ("..likely on purpose...") just because you're a different demographic.

      I'm guessing you're a millennial? Not meant as a negative jab or anything, that's just the demographic I know the least, and all the others seem like regular users of tablets: grade school kids -- all have tablets and would use them 24 hours a day if you didn't stop them. Their grandparents -- they love the tablets, much bigger screens than phones, easier to read, type, way easier to use than laptops.

      As for my age group in the middle of the two, that leads me to your second part of the post:

      So the tablet squeezed in between a smart big screen TV (no comparisson in viewing quality or comfort, craps all over tablet) and the phablet (portability craps all over the tablet and soon to come out enhanced output glasses, a big screen TV in your pocket).

      Big screen TV has no mobility whatsoever. I'm rarely going to have long uninterrupted periods of just sitting in front of one (and will use the projector/media room when I do want ultimate viewing comfort and quality), so being able to watch something on a high-res screen a couple of feet from my face still gives me some very good viewing quality, with added comfort of being able to watch it anywhere -- on the patio, in the bedroom, on the plane, etc.... I just take it with me and all my media is on there already.

      So, sure, it's not as pretty as a big screen TV, and it's not as mobile as a phone. But it's also much prettier than a phone and much more mobile than a TV. It depends on what matters to you, right?

      --
      Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 filled with CD-ROMs.
    5. Re:Well ... yeah. by bangular · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately I fall into this category. I bought a Nexus 7 in 2013 and I used it for a couple of weeks before I realized it wasn't very useful. I'm around computers all day so there's really no use for it. The rare case when I'm not around a computer, I just use my phone. I've seen office workers that have both a tablet and laptop and it's amazingly awkward watching them try to force the tablet into their life. It's almost like some people like being seen in meetings with their tablet.

      Tablets aren't useless. They make amazing replacements for bulky POS. They work really well for outside workers (think utility workers) that previously would receive work orders on bulky Panasonic toughbooks. They are often simpler than PC's for kiosks. However, for many consumers tablets were a one-time mistake they won't make again.

    6. Re:Well ... yeah. by ewibble · · Score: 1

      I don't think smart watches are a failure, they are before there time, they don't provide the functionality required to make them useful enough, because the technology isn't there yet.

      What I want is one that doesn't require a phone, has better input (maybe voice, maybe detects hand movement, don't know), maybe a projector. maybe some form of kinetic charging.

      This was the same with phone, the iPhone was not the first smart phone, but had the right level of marketing, usability to make smartphones popular.

    7. Re:Well ... yeah. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I don't think smart watches are a failure, they are before there time, they don't provide the functionality required to make them useful enough, because the technology isn't there yet.

      I think one real serious limiter of smart watches is that a whole lot of us don't wear watches any more. It would take a law to make me put something on my wrist today. when I usesd to wear watches a long time ago, the bands would pull hair off my arm, or stink, depending on the material of the band. Finally, since I was working around a lot of high current devices, I just abandoned them. Now I have a smartphone that does all I need. The trick of the smartwatches will be to convince us something we don't have now is something we really really need.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    8. Re:Well ... yeah. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      My tablet has a large screen, and is intended as a PDF reader that does some other things not too badly.The Amazon reviews were fun: "The sound sucks! Buy it!" It is one of my lesser-used machines, but it has its role in my life.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  5. What can be done? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    More CPU? More wireless? More resolution? More GPU? Make the lens on camera really great or add a set off 3 different lenses?
    Change out the cpu, gpu and OS so all users have to hardware upgrade for the best new apps?
    Games that need new hardware can be created to push hardware branding.
    A new cpu and gpu needed every cycle to keep up with the great code and graphics?

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    1. Re:What can be done? by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      I would settle for a fully replaceable ssd, maybe a single sodimm or mini pcie socket.

      Having to play "grope and tickle" with soft links to a functioned SD card to overcome limited storage on consumer tablets, and having to kluge around MS's absurd stance that SD cards always mount with removable storage flag set ( so no complex partition tables) is bullshit. Give me a real m.2 socket.

    2. Re: What can be done? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For me it would be better general purpose control of the device. With both Android and iOS tablets I've used, eventually something comes up that requires a cat and mouse game of 'rooting' or 'jailbreaking' in which I'm uninterested. I want full general purpose control over my computing devices.

      I'll let that slide a bit for phones because they are ultimately still phones where reliability trumps features for me, but fuck that for any other computer in my life without a specific purpose.

    3. Re:What can be done? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      First off all price. at $600 you aren't going to buy them often. Plus I'm scared to carry it out n public.

      Second off, replaceable storage and battery. By replaceable I mean slide in and out.

      I see the RCA line as being the next big thing--the Viking, Galileo and Maven between $80-$150 and comparable to 1st gen Apple's and Samsung's.

    4. Re:What can be done? by swb · · Score: 2

      More RAM. I'd wager my iPad 1 would still be usable, even at an abandoned OS level, for stuff like web browsing if it had enough RAM to handle javascript bloated web pages instead of just crashing.

      I also wonder why no one has shipped a low end PC in tablet form factor. Out of the box, it's a tablet form factor but with HDMI and USB3 ports that boots direct to Android. Supply it with enough flash storage and the ability to boot to PC mode where a desktop OS could be installed. It would be a tablet if you wanted a tablet or a PC if you wanted a simple PC.

      Tablet OSs struggle to be functional enough to be even a basic PC, they just don't have the PC functionality a PC OS has. PC OS does a crappy job of being a touch screen tablet.

    5. Re:What can be done? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      MS's absurd stance that SD cards always mount with removable storage flag set

      Android can mount / format SD cards as full ext4 file systems and use them as additional storage as a peer to the device's internal flash.

  6. Re:trololo by johanw · · Score: 1

    Any Android tablet should be able to connect to a Bluetooth keyboard (just like any Android phone). I don't know about iOS but Android is by far the largest number of devices anyway.

  7. So... by product_bucket · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this mean we can have normal web UI back again? Remember, when buttons and menus didn't take up a good 30% of the overall page space? Like beta? Fsck beta for even having been an example of this.

  8. Market is saturated, old tablets work fine by HBI · · Score: 1

    I suppose the subject says it all. I have 3 in the house (I won't use one, but the women do). 2 iPads of various vintages and an Android tablet. No one is dying for an upgrade. This is the problem with selling gadgets with walled gardens. No one tries to do more than you allow with them.

    --
    HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
    1. Re:Market is saturated, old tablets work fine by link-error · · Score: 1

      I have a couple Insignia flex tables where the batteries won't hold a charge. I can't find a replacement battery of a similar size and capacity that doesn't require bulk purchase on alibabba. I just bought a new HD fire instead.

      --
      -Unresolved symbol? Byte me!
  9. Re:trololo by MichaelJ · · Score: 3, Informative

    iPads, and even iPhones, can connect to Bluetooth keyboards and use them just fine. In fact, some UX exists solely if you have a keyboard, such as the Cmd-Tab task switcher. The iPad Pro models also have the smart connector keyboards. They're pretty decent - as a touch typist I have no problem using them.

    That said, an onscreen keyboard is fantastic when you just want to hold the device in your hands. Would I want to do a ton of typing that way? Absolutely not. But when it's useful, it's incredibly useful.

    --

    Michael J.
    Root, God, what is difference?
  10. Re: trololo by fubarrr · · Score: 1

    i thought you can only use bluetooth for handsfree on idevices

  11. No decent new Android tablet in the last year by rklrkl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It doesn't help that the last flagship tablet releases by Samsung (the Tab S2) and Google (Nexus 9) were not only expensive, but disappointingly 4:3 aspect ratio, making them poor for games and videos. I think Samsung's Tab S 8.4" and 10.5" tablets were the pinnacle w.r.t. the display on an Android tablet and there's been nothing since then worth buying. Heck, Google completely ignored tablets at their last launch, instead flogging clearly overpriced phones. If a Samsung Tab S3 came out with a 16:10 display like the Tab S, but with more RAM/faster CPU/GPU, then I'd probably first in line to buy it.

    It's sad that my venerable Nexus 10 is still pressganged into service (with CyanogenMod on it of course, like all my tablets) - it was the last decent large tablet Google sold. It's no wonder tablets are dropping in sales - the Android tablet manufacturers in particular have almost given up making an effort to create a decent tablet. Yes, I know about the Yoga Book, but the price is a little steep considering the specs aren't fantastic and you can't detach the display and use it as a standalone tablet.

    1. Re:No decent new Android tablet in the last year by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's sad that my venerable Nexus 10 is still pressganged into service (with CyanogenMod on it of course, like all my tablets) - it was the last decent large tablet Google sold.

      Pixel C, released Dec 8 2015?

    2. Re:No decent new Android tablet in the last year by Pulzar · · Score: 1

      It doesn't help that the last flagship tablet releases by Samsung (the Tab S2) and Google (Nexus 9) were not only expensive, but disappointingly 4:3 aspect ratio, making them poor for games and videos.

      I get the video part, but why games? I've been gaming on it and 4:3 seems better, if anything -- you can fit more on there.

      For what it's worth, I've been very impressed with Tab S2. It's a great tablet!

      --
      Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 filled with CD-ROMs.
    3. Re:No decent new Android tablet in the last year by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 2

      The Pixel C costs more than my gaming PC. For that price I might as well buy a Surface. Not only that, the Pixel C is built with a (at this point) 2 year old processor. It's not 16:9 or 16:10. I really, really need a new Android tablet but it will not be the Pixel C.

  12. This is why AT&T wants to buy Time Warner by billrp · · Score: 1

    Sales of cell devices like tablets and phones are flat or declining - so there's no growth, but people expect lower prices and 5G build-outs. DirecTV is also declining. AT&T can obfuscate their numbers behind a Time Warner merger.

  13. Microsoft? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

    Maybe I am not around a representative demographic, but it sure seems like there are more and more Surface tablets around, with several major corporate roll-outs starting.

    1. Re:Microsoft? by HBI · · Score: 1

      Lots of Microsoft guys carrying them...and that's about it. Everyone non-MS I know who got one ended up at a Microsoft store swapping it out for a replacement because of hardware issues, but I admit a sample size of two is small.

      --
      HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
    2. Re:Microsoft? by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      Surface devices are one of the most successful devices of the last couple of years and have had constant growth in sales for the last few years. It has massive sales now of around $1billion a quarter (up 30% again this year). that is huge for an expensive laptop/tablet hybrid

    3. Re:Microsoft? by fsagx · · Score: 2

      Two at my house: a surface3 and a surface4 pro. Both pretty solid so far. The 3 freezes up on rare occasions -- usually seems to be when chrome has 20 tabs open.

    4. Re:Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      lots of everyone carrying them. I run Linux on mine, fantastic hardware, great screen and battery life and everyone has them now so if you forget a charger it is easy to borrow one or get one from just about any electronics store. Think we have around 3000 of them where I work (org of 25000)

    5. Re:Microsoft? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      That's because you can get them for free by searching NFL teams garbage.

    6. Re:Microsoft? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      TOTAL BULLSHIT. Go outside and look around. What are people carrying? Not Surfaces. I've never seen one actually in use. Even the NFL doesn't want them and they are getting paid hundreds of millions to use them!

    7. Re:Microsoft? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      No they haven't. Those numbers are shipments, not sales. No one is buying Surfaces.

    8. Re:Microsoft? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      They are shipping a ton to stores. And that is where they sit. Unsold.

    9. Re:Microsoft? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I'll send you a selfy if it'll shut you up.

    10. Re:Microsoft? by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      Really? I must not exist. My wife has a Surface Book, my kids have a Surface 3 and I have a Surface Pro 4. It's the first time in twenty years I've had a machine running Windows.

    11. Re:Microsoft? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Burn the witch!

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    12. Re:Microsoft? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Really? I must not exist. My wife has a Surface Book, my kids have a Surface 3 and I have a Surface Pro 4. It's the first time in twenty years I've had a machine running Windows.

      Well, despite the branding, the Surface and the Surface Pro are two different beasts. The Surface is what would normally be called a tablet these days, and the Surface Pro would be a laptop in tablet form running actual Windows rather than the cut down tablet version (WinRaT). My understanding is that Surface Pros are doing pretty good because people want a regular computer in tablet form to do what they want to do. However, the table Surfaces are not as there are no apps, there are cheaper alternatives. Perhaps things for the regular Surfaces have gotten better since the initial push when they had to call in a loss for all the original Surfaces that wouldn't sell. Still, while I see some Surface Pros here at my work, I've yet to see a Surface.

    13. Re:Microsoft? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Ahhhh yes of course, they just keep shipping 2 million units each quarter into warehouses where they sit unsold, are you really that fucking stupid?

    14. Re:Microsoft? by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      Surface, Surface Pro and surface book all run standard windows. They replaced the surface RT line with the Surface Line several years ago, RT was a flop. The Surface Tablet has access to ALL the same apps as any other windows PC since it runs a standard version of windows now.

    15. Re:Microsoft? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Ah, interesting. Didn't know that. Thanks. Still, haven't seen one. A couple of the people in the IT group I'm with had Surface Pros when they came out. Now they all seemed to have bought Mac Book Pros earlier this year. Of course, we run several vendor apps and none of them have even given hints they are even testing for Win10 yet, so we aren't dealing much with non-Win7 devices quite yet.

    16. Re:Microsoft? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Interesting, I really haven't seen a MacBook Pro for quite some time now. They seem to all disappear a couple of years ago, prior to that just about every IT contractor and consultant was using them. Now it seems to either be a surface or some other ultrabook and a lot of the big heavy Lenovo W series for those that require more than 16GB ram and lots of drive and connectivity options.

    17. Re:Microsoft? by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      You are misinformed. The Surface 3 uses an Intel chip and a full version of Windows 10, with all the compatibility that implies. You are thinking of the original Surface and Surface 2 models.

      The primary difference between the Surface 3 and Surface Pro 3/4 is a smaller screen, different processor line (Atom SoC vs Core), fixed position kickstand, and no facial recognition. Aside from that they are largely similar. Both have a touchscreen and digitizer, both use the same pen, they use the same contacts for the keyboard (because they have a different form factor they have separate models, but a Pro 4 keyboard can work on a 3; it just looks silly.), and they would both work with the new Surface Dial accessory.

    18. Re:Microsoft? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Most everybody has been waiting for the new updates, but some people are still buying if they have to. Same with desktops. I'm still making due with my 8 year old Mac Pro because I'm waiting for updates, even if an iMac. Still, my old Mac Pro still runs all the software I need.

  14. Tablets peaked by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Tablets peaked about two years ago, when you could get a decent tablet with a high-but-not-insane resolution touchscreen (and S-Pen in the case of Samsung) and you could beam the screen contents to any miricast-compatible TV, projector or dongle.

    Now, as more useful features are being removed, there is very little compelling reason to upgrade.

    --
    "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  15. Nexus 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    I don't understand Google. The Nexus 7, both 2012 and 2013 were big sellers. But no new Nexus 7 has been released in 3 years. As such, I haven't bought a tablet for myself or anyone in my family since 2013. 7"-8" is perfectly sized for a tablet, any bigger you might as well get a laptop. The Nexus 7 was also perfectly priced. I'm not going to buy a Samsung tablet with all it's bloated software, nor a super cheap generic tablet that never get Android updates. nVidia Shield tablets are/were too expensive, and I already tried the Amazon Fire tablet "Google Play store" hack with bad long term results (works for a bit, then get slower and slower).

    Nexus 7 was it, and Google killed it off after 2013.

    1. Re:Nexus 7 by bangular · · Score: 2

      Speaking of this, I will never buy a non-Google Android device again. None of the big players provide reasonable updates and most load your device with crap you can't uninstall. My last phone was a Samsung and I never once used their Samsung apps. They also quickly gave up on providing updates and it was difficult to tell if I was even getting security updates after awhile. Google has been very reliable about providing updates to their Nexus devices and I don't have to worry about Skype permanently installed on my phone.

    2. Re:Nexus 7 by samwichse · · Score: 2

      https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Ze...

      How about the Asus Zenpad S 8?
      https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Ze...
      8" IPS Display (2048 x 1536) with ASUS TruVivid technology for better visual experience
      Intel Atom Z3530 Super Quad-Core, 64bit, 1.3GHz
      2G RAM, 32G Onboard Storage
      5M/2M Dual Camera; 1 x microSD Card slot, support up to 128GB SDHC
      Android 6.0 Marshmallow

      Or the Nvidia Shield K1
      https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017...

      Powered by the NVIDIA Tegra K1 processor, featuring a 192-core NVIDIA Kepler GPU and 2.2 GHz quad-core CPU.
      Full HD 1080p, 8-inch display, and dual-front facing speakers for incredible video and sound.
      MicroSD slot provides expandable storage up to 128 GB.

    3. Re:Nexus 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I also want a new Nexus 7, however it is not 1080p; it has a 16:10 1920x1200 display at 323ppi, which is infinitely better than the typical TV aspect crap. If they went to 3:2 or made it A6 that would be even better.

    4. Re:Nexus 7 by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      nVidia Shield tablets are/were too expensive

      The K1 was $199 when it was released less than a year ago. You think that's expensive?

    5. Re:Nexus 7 by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      FWIW, the K1 is faster and more stable than either of the Nexus 7s and the Nexus 9. It's really a solid device. Too bad Nvidia seems to have bailed on the idea of a next gen X1-based tablet in favor of giving 110% to Nintendo.

  16. Apple and Google laughing their way to the bank by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    Apple and Google have now managed to wallpaper the planet with tablets. They're everywhere... and their app stores and their movie stores etc... are everywhere.

    Amazon seems to be the oddball. They actually took the Google platform and managed to figure out how to capitalize off of the Google platform while mostly cutting Google out. Everyone else is basically screwed.

    So in the end, Samsung, HTC, all those guys are all going to die from Nokia/Blackberry syndrome. They don't make any money unless people buy new phones and tablets. The people have no reason to buy new phones because the one they have is supported well enough and performs well enough that there's no profit in buying a new one.

  17. Windows10 2 in 1s won. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For me, there was no upgrade path available from the Samsung Galaxy Note pro 12.2 (OF 3 YEAR AGO!). There are faster tablets without stylus, there are tablets with more pixels but smaller screens, and there are bigger screen tablets with less processing power and fewer pixels.

    There's no upgrade path that has all the existing features, plus faster processor, plus bigger screen. All the top end has been taken over by Windows10 2 in 1s.

    Microsoft seems to have gotten its act together, Google seems to have lost their way. Samsung is neutral, they'll go with whoever delivers sales, so all their top end tablets are 2in1s running Windows. And the Android tablets are increasingly made down to a price, not up to a spec.

    Their top end phone has more pixels than their top end tablet, and a faster processor than their top end Android tablet. That's how bad the Android tablets market is.

  18. The OS needs to improve. by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    Everyone who is going to get one now has a tablet for simple media consumption tasks, and most tablets out there are fast enough to do the job (my kids are still using their years-old original Galaxy Tabs—which show no signs of quitting—to browse the web and do homework). The same malaise that infected the PC market has hit tablets—the only real target segment is upgraders, and most users don't see a reason to upgrade.

    What's missing from the tablet experience continues to be the ability to effortlessly create content and manage multiple applications and files well. Tablet makers are loathe to have users deal with "files" on their machines, I realize, but for most workers and creators, work is done in files. My suspicion is that one way to drive a round of upgrades is to produce a fast, light tablet with long battery life that makes real work easier to accomplish on a tablet. It can be done now, but it feels cumbersome. You do it because you have to—the tablet is light and has a long battery life, so it's what you brought with you—but you're aware of the trade-offs.

    Give me back better task/window management and the ability to work with and think in locally stored files (i.e. any application supporting a particular file format can load it if you have it, without the weird mix of apps that only support one or another cloud storage service) and I'd upgrade in a moment, because a tablet would finally be a laptop replacement.

    Surface comes close, only the UI still isn't good enough and the battery life isn't there, and it's too "heavy" in general terms (not just weight). Some UI innovation with a less involved architecture (i.e. iPad hardware, but with UI innovation to enable laptop-like work more easily) and a whole bunch of laptop owners will get one to replace their laptops with something that's just as good but with much longer battery life and much lower weight.

    --
    STOP . AMERICA . NOW
    1. Re:The OS needs to improve. by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Exactly this! I use my tablet for games and watching Netflix/Hulu, but if I want to DO anything, I use my laptop. The tablet isn't even close to a laptop replacement.

      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
  19. Agree, the Tab S line are the best tablets yet by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    produced. And there has been nothing worthwhile since then. I had to replace my Tab S 8.4 with a recent-model iPad Mini due to work (needed particular apps that were iOS only) and I hate it, it feels like it's years behind.

    I think the market is being misread. Apple is falling, yet everyone is still following Apple's lead (and moving away from very positive differentiation) as though Apple were still king. There devices were awesome in the '00s. Now they're stale—and rather than step into the gap, Android makers and Android itself have been working very hard to copy the staleness.

    --
    STOP . AMERICA . NOW
  20. Opps "their" ^ devices by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    it's late.

    --
    STOP . AMERICA . NOW
  21. propably by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    it's propably due to most new tablets not being anything really better than the previous versions OR if they are, the price is almost twice as much as when the previous tablet released.. To me there just aren't any good midrange tablets, and most tablets which are pretty solid have been on the market already for 2 years..

  22. "The Death of the PC" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Has been largely overblown it seems. People aren't just upgrading PCs less, they're upgrading EVERYTHING less.

  23. Re:trololo by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Any Android tablet should be able to connect to a Bluetooth keyboard (just like any Android phone). I don't know about iOS but Android is by far the largest number of devices anyway.

    Careful! Android lovers all hate bluetooth now that the headphone jack's been removed from the iPhone 7, and the hipsters all say they connect with bluetooth headsets.

    --
    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  24. why not? by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    if that $699 tablet can have $40 rough-and-tumble stunt doubles in the house or minivan or tent, only the Chinese who were shrewd enough to make these low-power bargain-bin placemablets will call step 4. PROFIT!

    --
    WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
  25. Re:trololo by dadragon · · Score: 1

    I don't know if Apple tablets can do this but I'm sure they can: most Android tablets' USB port is really a USB-OTG port. You can connect a normal USB keyboard them just fine. I've built my own tiny keyboard for ergonomics, but it's also a great tablet keyboard.

    --
    God save our Queen, and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf Forever!
  26. Honestly, by ckatko · · Score: 1

    I've been saying for years that tablets are a bubble waiting to pop. They don't "do" anything new, and worse, they can't do many things that computers can, and they're less productive than a computer at the things they CAN do. (see Data entry) They're an entertainment device, but mostly a novelty. If you're only target is mobile games... well, 99% of those are complete crap. You can't list on your two hands 12 mobile-only games that have changed the industry.

    Nobody is developing new software on them (that is, a compiler/Visual Studio), so that means they're a target platform--not a replacement for computers. Nobody is doing CAD on a tablet. A touch screen is a horrible device to use for long lengths of time. There's no tactile feedback and using the 'keyboard' uses up your bloody screen space! Anyone who tried to play an adventure game on the iPod touch know what I'm talking about. You have to touch the screen to move around and now your hand is obscuring what's happening in the game.

    Laptops will keep getting smaller and will have touch screens standard, and operating systems will eventually get better at being "dual purpose" (ala Windows 8/10 with their "tablet mode"). And then what will tablets offer anymore? The best games are on PC, and dedicated game systems with dedicated controllers. PHONES may make home consoles obsolete one day, but tablets? Absolutely not.

    Joe Blow doesn't want to play Call of Duty with a touch screen, and he doesn't want to write use Office on one either. (Trust me, I've seen clients do that and the line workers absolutely HATE having to enter thousands of numbers into spreadsheets with no mouse and no keyboard.) And I haven't even mentioned the amount of carpal tunnel syndrome holding a crappy tablet in the air for hours on end (or pushing your hand against a flat surface instead of an ergonomic keyboard).

    1. Re:Honestly, by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Clearly, a tablet is not for you. That doesn't mean it's bad for everyone.

      My mother-in-law has a lot of trouble with computers. She has no trouble with the low-end Android tablet we gave her, and uses it constantly. She uses more bandwidth than I do, and I thought I was a fairly heavy user.

      I wanted a letter-sized screen that I could use in portrait mode easily, to read PDFs (primarily assorted game rules).

      There's more people who play casual games than the bigger ones like Call of Duty. If you want to type on the things, you can get a bluetooth keyboard easily enough, and you can detach it easily. Few people program.

      The market is likely to converge with part of the laptop market, since the difference between a laptop with touchscreen and a way to get the keyboard out of the way is similar to a tablet with detachable keyboard. That doesn't mean it's dying.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  27. Price? by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    This I don't get, every other computing device has come down in price but top of the line Android tablets have increased in price. My Toshiba 10.1 cost $300 four years ago, today a name brand 10" tablet will cost $400-$500 and have less functionality. The Toshiba has a full sized SD card slot, try finding that on a tablet today.

    The SD card slot is perfect for previewing photos in the field. Damn near every DSLR uses SD card storage, pop the card into the Toshiba and fire up Droid RAW and I can preview my photos on a decent 10"screen instead of the tiny built in screen on the camera.

  28. Re:trololo by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    As if typing on a physical keyboard (wired or not) is in any way analogous to headphone listening (wired or not).

    Welcome to the land of whoosh!

    --
    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  29. Re:trololo by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    iPads, and even iPhones, can connect to Bluetooth keyboards and use them just fine.

    But not a mouse (on Android it works fine).