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Microsoft Stops Selling Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 To Computer Makers (venturebeat.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report on VentureBeat: Out with the old, and in with the new. Microsoft yesterday stopped providing Windows 7 Professional and Windows 8.1 licenses to original equipment manufacturers (OEMs), including its PC partners and systems builders. This means that, as of today, the only way you can buy a computer running Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 is if you can still find one in stock. Two years ago, Microsoft stopped selling Windows 7 Home Basic, Windows 7 Home Premium, and Windows 7 Ultimate licenses to OEMs. Now Windows 7 Professional and Windows 8.1 are also out of the picture, leaving Windows 10 as the only remaining option, assuming you want a PC with a Microsoft operating system. This is Microsoft's way of slowly phasing out old operating systems.

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  1. Pushback by DogDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think they're going to get tremendous pushback from customers, and they'll continue selling Windows 7 for a while longer, still. I can't imagine a lot of businesses using Windows 10. That interface is pretty silly.

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    1. Re:Pushback by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can use it 99%+ like you use Windows 7.

      Like without telemetry and automated updates?

    2. Re:Pushback by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As someone with small businesses dealing with sensitive commercial and personal data, not only do we give a crap, so do our lawyers. YMMV, but the telemetry and automatic updates are not a non-issue for those too small to be using the enterprise-level tools.

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    3. Re:Pushback by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This happens every new generation of OS - some noob comes by to tell us that people won't upgrade and they are always wrong.

      Right. I mean, everyone jumped from XP to Vista, except for almost everyone. And Windows 7 eventually lost so much market share to Windows 8/8.1 that it was only a few times bigger when Windows 10 came out.

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    4. Re: Pushback by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That was 2% against Win7. And growing.

      Tell me, what professional level photo editing software runs natively on Linux? Photoshop? Capture One? DxO Optics?

      Adobe itself has said they don't make Photoshop for Linux because the market isn't there. People who run Linux don't, and won't, pay for software. Therefore, they don't make a native Linux version. The same can easily be said of any software company.

      Further, which version of Linux? There are what, 20 different flavors, potentially running several different kernels on top of numerous configurations? How is a software company supposed to make software to run under those conditions? Simply saying, "Compile your own" doesn't cut it when your job is to produce photos people want to buy.

      I'm only using that one example because as a W7 user I will eventually have to move on from Windows, most likely to Apple, since they are the sole remaining company for which such software is available. This will do nothing to move the Linux needle off the staggering 2% threshold it is clinging to.

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    5. Re:Pushback by WaffleMonster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's amazing that a change to an interface somehow makes customer data flow out somewhere. I'm going to assume you can't follow a conversation and just froth at the mouth at the opportunity to mention telemetry every chance you get.

      Amazing isn't the word I would chose to describe it. Quite mundane and easy to understand is more appropriate.

      Step 1.

      Develop single search UI that blends everything and does not provide any obvious indication or option to limit searches and obviously resulting data leakages. The point of this is maximizing intentional leakage of data by intentional malicious UX design.

      Step 2.

      Lawyer working a case types "Rob's rap sheet" into the search box on their computer intending to bring up file for case they are working. This data is sent to a public search engine with no expectation of privacy.

      Doctor types "Gloria's Gonorrhea" into the search box on their computer intending to bring up file for patient they are working. This data is also sent to a search engine.

      Windows 10 is intentionally ENGINEERED to leak information and invade privacy and confidentiality of information at every opportunity.

      Also worth remembering Windows 10 is distributed with a fully functional RAT (Remote Access Trojan) installed and ENABLED by DEFAULT granting Microsoft the ability to exfiltrate data without either your explicit consent or knowledge.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20...

      https://web.archive.org/web/20...

  2. The Linux world stops distros without systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windows 10 or SystemD, or a $2000 macbook pro with crippled ports. These are your choices in 2016.

  3. Re:New world, new business model. Out with the old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    An admirable goal, but it does not take into account all those computers shipped with Windows 9. They will still have to support those, smart guy.

  4. Re:More like... by gmack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doubtful, The parent company of the place I work demands all PCs worldwide to be Windows 7 only and they aren't the only corporation that has this policy. We still have software that doesn't run on windows 8/10 so this news is a shafting for us. More likely MS is embarrassed by the consumer dislike of windows 10. MS is famous for putting internal politics ahead of business logic.

  5. Saw it coming; surprised with outcome by poofmeisterp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A company I work for has been using Linux in the server environment for, well, before I worked here (+15 years?)... It's always been a shouting match game in conversations about switching desktops from one to the other. We've held on to Windows for compatibility and, more importantly here, familiarity reasons. None of the company employees (sans IT) know what a Linux distro OS looks like, let alone how to use it. I was actually shocked when we had a short meeting about this today - we're forced to in the next two years "upgrade" to Windows 10, or start the process of documenting usage procedures, converting in-house software to Linux-compatible (no WINE), making procedures of all employees' unique or shared daily work make sense in an environment they are not familiar with, accounting for third-party software that is Windows-only, and ironing out the bugs of printing (we have some pretty custom stuff, albeit simple). The meeting lasted less than half an hour and the decision was made to migrate. The third party software and unique printing, uh, debacles will be worked out by virtualizing the Windows OS completely, using snapshots at different points during the day and having the central FS shares be the same as they were. Company policy is to NOT use Windows for any purpose involving Internet activity; the software we use that is Windows-only is internal to us; only uses the 'net to upgrade between versions. We already had LibreOffice in place and people are familiar with it and using it every day. There will be a dedicated, non-internet gateway machine in each department for things that involve HAVING to use MS Office for some reason. Sharing sales presentations will be a snap - from a virtualized instance of Windows 7 until it's necessary for "on-board" or other reasons to use Windows 10 (showing another company that we use the same, etc etc etc). I can't believe the meeting was as short as it was. We've been preparing but just NOT doing it. That has been irritating me for a while now. Better to slowly transition than quickly. But wait, it will be a slow transition because we have a couple of years left! I don't "do that" when it comes to bashing MS just to do it, but this gives me a chance to NOT bash, but thank them in an offhanded way for nicely making the decision for us. You want to force us to be in your control without options, well, now you lose control. Before it was tolerated.

  6. Re:More like... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More like the market stopped buying it...

    If that were really true, why were all the serious business PC suppliers still offering Windows 7 Pro preinstalled right up until yesterday, in many cases as the default option when you ordered online ahead of Windows 10? Why did several of them have detailed explanations ready today for how to use downgrade rights to get back to the Windows 7 you actually wanted instead of the Windows 10 that Microsoft now forces them to supply? And why is Windows 7 still by far the largest OS in the marketplace well over a year after 10 was out, despite Microsoft literally giving the latter away and aggressively promoting it to the extent that many people wound up switching to it and then vocally complaining that they hadn't wanted to?

    at least to the point where it isn't worth supporting it.

    Now we're getting somewhere. Older Windows operating systems do not fit with Microsoft's vision of a service-based, always-online future. Since Nadella is basically betting his business on making that happen (and, to be fair, so far what they're making in other areas seems to outweigh what they're losing in OS revenue) this seems unlikely to change unless and until there is a change in senior management.

    I still find it an odd strategy. They're basically playing to the non-geek home users ("Free upgrades! New shinies!") and the enterprise market (Win 10 Enterprise is practically a different OS to the other editions) at the expense of the whole small business, power user and geek level in between. I can see them possibly making a lot of money doing that in the short to medium term. But in the longer term, that middle group is the one that often sets the direction of the industry, and sooner or later a competitor or two will surely exploit that.

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  7. Re:Correction by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No no, they are phasing out customers...

    Cause win 10 can go f itself.

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  8. Re:More like... by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Funny

    We still have software that doesn't run on windows 8/10

    Maybe you ought to be working on a fix instead of /.-ing?

    Like porting to Linux? :)