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Windows 7 and 8.1 Are Gaining More New Users Than Windows 10 (digitaltrends.com)
New submitter TroII writes: After Microsoft ended its year-long "free" Windows 10 offer, new installations have slowed predictably. But in an unexpected turn, October saw more new installs of both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 than of Windows 10. Compared to September's numbers, market share increased only 0.06% for Windows 10, while new installations of Windows 7 and 8.1 were an order of magnitude higher at 0.68%. According to tracking firm NetMarketShare, Windows 7 is still by far the most popular version of the OS, installed on more than twice as many computers as Microsoft's latest offering.
It is not a big shock after the tactics that MS has used. They have burned a lot of bridges with win 10 and those of us stuck in the Windows ecosystem are snatching up the best, most stable version, Windows 7. Be prepared for lawsuits though, as it looks like MS is going to try and shove the crappiest parts of Windows 10 on us through bundled updates...
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As a hard-core MMORPG'er, I got fed up with the wasted resources being hogged up by unwanted crap like Cortana and went back to Win 7, which amazingly enough still runs all of my work-related Rockwell and Siemens stuff just fine. Screw Windows 10.
Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
About once a month I install Windows 7 on a VM to test out my application on that OS. I wonder if such activity taints the analysis. My application has "online help" which uses a web browser to deliver help when the user presses "F1" - stats from visitors to that webserver that shows unique Windows 7 declined from 31% in Oct 2015 to 10% in Oct 2016, compared to unique Windows 10 users growing from 38% to 53% in the same period.
Could it be more people like Windows 7 and 8 better than Window's 10? In a free market economy the most popular option should win.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
And I'm sure you have a driver for my Asus sound card (that will make it work in 7.1 instead of just stereo), for my gaming keyboard, a way to make the mouse work (it doesn't in Mint for some odd reason, even the alleged fix doesn't make it work, and I'd already be happy if at least the main buttons worked, I don't even insist in all the other ones), to get TrackIR to work properly, as well as the Thrustmaster Warthog (I'm willing to configure it in Windows if you refuse to create programming software for Linux for it (no, doesn't work in Wine), but I would at least want to USE it).
And when you're done with that, find me some Linux drivers for all the hilariously incompatible hardware Asus stuffed into its G752 laptop.
You see, the problem isn't software. It's hardware. Yes, Linux works fine with "normal" hardware. It even has drivers for the most esoteric raidcontroller in the world. But when it comes to gaming hardware, we're still running into very basic problems.
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There is a large number of scientific studies ...
Quotation needed.
Firstly, it's [citation needed], if you were a real nerd you would know that. Secondly: here you go.. Thirdly, try this site the sooner you sign up the better you'll feel when you finally break out of the circle of denial.
Why is it a surprise that an OS created for desktop and mobile doesn't run as well as one written exclusively for desktops? Why is it a surprise that small businesses prefer an OS that works better for them than the "upgrade" which removed Pro features? Apple and M$ are both dumbing down their professional offerings. I anticipate the day when I'll have to go full Linux just to have something professional grade, and I'll have a single box for QuickBooks. Alas.
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You can find great discrepancies between the OS market share reported from different sources, which shows how inaccurate they are. Let's face it, all they can do is guess by the only external method they can find - web browser stats. Only Microsoft can tell you anything even close to accurate as far as usage goes, and even they are limited to computers that are connected to the Internet.
The percentage changes listed in the TFA are going to be dwarfed by the error margin such that it is completely meaningless to try to make any proclamations that a significant number of people are downgrading Windows.
... that's because WIn 10 is malware/spyware and is shit....
Clearly, Microsoft isn't really interested in satisfying their desktop users. Instead, they're desperately trying to get into the 'customer as a product' business model, because they sense, (probably correctly), that they're doomed if they don't. That's why they did what they did with Win10 - they want a captive user base whose data they can control and exploit. Bing has been pretty much a failure, and their foray into the mobile market has been a total disaster. They're losing a lot of server business to *nix. They see the likes of Google and Facebook dominating the Web. They see leveraging their desktop presence as the only possible path to the kind of success that others are enjoying, because they no longer posses the imagination to strike out in a truly new direction, and because they're iron-bound by the artery-hardened internal bureaucracy that all big corporations eventually succumb to. Windows 10 was the desperate plan of a dinosaur in its death throes.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
I'm quite fond of the feature where the OS doesn't decide to reboot at arbitrary times without asking permission after installing an update I didn't approve.
The most important "feature" is the UI. And the UI of Windows 8 and 10 is a horrendous clusterfuck of bad design. There are a couple of third party programs that fix some of the problems, but why bother? Why not just use the version that is good right out the box and isn't constantly trying to fuck you.
Well, I strongly prefer an UI like in Windows 7 and want to be in full control of updates. The last point is the most important, because various Windows 7 updates in the past would have destroyed my installation if I hadn't checked before (not) installing them. I'm especially worried about "accidental" problems with dual boot systems, which happened two times in the past.
Apart from that, yes, of course, an OS is good if you don't need to know or care what it is actually doing. It should mainly provide a link to the library programmer and the application programmer, not to the end user. If Windows 10 didn't force updates and had the ordinary look and feel you'd expect from a desktop OS, or allow me to configure it in that way, then I'd be happy using it. A good OS should give you the same desktop experience all the time, with only minimal changes where they make sense, not force you to learn new ways of performing the same tasks every 3-4 years.
Considering that Windows 10 was designed as a "one size fits all" solution that is intended to run on machine with limited power, it's not surprising that in this case the performance is an improvement.
I've run Windows10 and Windows7 on some machines I've upgraded for work. There was no user discernible difference in speed or performance. Maybe there was some minor benchmark difference but it certainly wasn't enough to matter. The boot up times are not meaningfully different, the interfaces didn't speed up, and none of the applications run any better. There might be some under the hood improvements but they certainly aren't obvious.
Also they did away with the flashy Windows 7 UI and replaced it with rectangles - another performance improvement that I don't mind. I like minimal, simple things.
Windows 10 is many things but "minimal" and "simple" are not among them. The rectangle thing isn't easier or simpler, particularly if you are talking about Windows 8... shudder.
You can do whatever you want* with Linux
*unless you can't actually do it, but then you're stupid for wanting that.
Your requested sources were posted an hour before you wrote that, And yeah we believe the AC is really a scientist.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
I think it's related to corporate users: corporations avoiding win10 is quite common, where security is a high concern...
Don't blame the hardware manufacturers for what the distro writers didn't implement.
Microsoft does not implement a lot of the drivers either. They are sourced by the PC vendor who then integrates them into the MS Windows installation that you get when you buy the box. A vanilla Linux install will, generally, do far better at supporting hardware than a vanilla MS Windows install.
So: the problem is often with the hardware manufacturers who do not make the specs available for Linux people to use.
Look at the Microsoft shills: so desperate to derail the topic, and so lacking in their ability to actually do so, that this is their chosen strategy. Priceless!
One possibility occurs to me to explain the increase of Windows 7 installs. For a year, users of 7 and 8.x were allowed a free upgrade. (and let us not forget the shenanigans Microsoft pulled in "persuading" users to upgrade.) Thing is; none of those upgraded users received a physical copy of the Win10 installation media or a license key. So if a hard drive dies or the install gets corrupted badly enough, the user is going to have to reinstall whichever version they had been using previously. (I won't get into the stupidity of having ones physical copy of the OS actually be provided by a hidden restore partition on the root drive)
As far as I know NetMarketShare is just counting installations based on what peoples user agent strings are reporting during normal web surfing. I don't know of any way to determine an OS date of install from a user agent string.
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There is a large number of scientific studies ...
Quotation needed.
There is a large number of scientific studies ...
There you go.
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However, windows 10 is still ugly and unclear (which window has foxus? I can't see it quickly on that excuse for a GUI) and windows 8.x also looks not nearly as nice as the classic view on windows 7. MS did it right with windows 95, then improved on that in 98 and 2000. After that, it became childish (XP default look), ugly (win10) or schizophrenic (mixing a phone GUI in 8 and 10).
This is a terrible study design. They group people into homophobe and not homophobe with a survey, then they show gay porn to the homophobes and straight porn to the non homophobes. This proves what? That people who answer as homophobic are more prone to penile enlargement? Show the homophobes BOTH gay porn AND straight porn and see if there is any DIFFERENCE in enlargement. Then do the same for non homophobes. THAT is how you design a real study. But since they didn't test this, all they managed to prove was that homopbobes are more prone to penile girth enlargement. Heck just the fact that their penis is being measured could be the enlarging factor - YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S A SHITTY STUDY DESIGN.
But I expect no less from that branch of pseudo-science called "psychology".
I'll ruin this by you one more time and maybe you will understand. If you are (A) a homophobe, (B) you get an erection from homosexual porn and (C) homophobic men disproportionately often get an erection while watching gay porn while non-homophobic men show little or no reaction then it is safe to conclude that homophobia is a product of uncertainty in homophobic men over their own sexuality. Usually these individuals have been raised to believe that 'homosexuality is a sin and the wages of sin are death' (directly quoting a US American bible thumper the Lutheran church in my country invited to a theological conference) or some similar religiously motivated dribble. So, if a man raised in such a culture finds him self getting aroused while watching good looking guys in the locker room the psychological reaction of such men, with monotonous regularity, is rabid homophobia. You being a case in point. Oh and stop screaming, it's rude.
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I did a trial of some Lenovo laptops with Windows 10 enterprise at work. When the Anniversary update came out, they all got hosed. One was completely unrecoverable so I trashed the whole thing and put Windows 7 on it. The rest managed to back out, but still lost a day of productivity in the process.
Microsoft has demonstrated quite clearly that they do not have the ability to successfully update their own OS without causing all hell to break loose.
And to make matters worse, Home and Pro users cannot opt out of updates and telemetry. Microsoft even disabled the group policy elements for it.
And meanwhile, Apple *could* be raking in marketshare from Microsoft's screwups, but unfortunately they appear to have their own collectives heads shoved up their asses as well.
So now Linux is starting to gain popularity. Between Chromebooks and machines being pre-loaded with Ubuntu, I really hope Linux tightens the screws on all these old guard companies that have lost their way.
Well, I strongly prefer an UI like in Windows 7 and want to be in full control of updates.
I completely agree with you, but full control over updates is no longer a selling point of Windows 7. Microsoft has moved to a single monthly rollup package for Windows 7 which always includes all previous updates and is only all-or-nothing. So, for example, the November 2016 update that comes out next week will include all updates from the August 2016, September 2016, and October 2016 update packages.
It's a step backwards in every possible way and exists solely to make it easy for Microsoft to shove whatever updates they want down their users' throats. The Windows 10 GWX fiasco has taught them a valuable lesson about the dangers of consumer choice and giving users control over their computers.
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Well, Linux did just hit a recent high of 2%.
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
Microsoft considers my Windows machines to be vehicles for their updates, they think I only purchased the PCs for that purpose. The Windows 10 machine breaking the dual-boot Linux installation should be actionable - it is probably time to restart the monopoly anti-trust proceedings.
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How about when it informs me that it scheduled an update in an hour and I'm not at the computer, so I don't get to see the popup and I lose my open documents?
How about when I want to reboot because my Wacom driver has stopped working and I don't have 40 minutes to sit through an update install I wasn't aware of because I'm in the middle of actually trying to do some work?
How about when I've delayed the update install a couple of times and now Windows decided I don't get a choice when to reboot and just shuts off?
So now I have the update service disabled and I'm not getting any updates installed instead of installing them at a convenient time like I do on 7.
My 7-to-10 upgrade did not have the "show color on title bar" option enabled at the very bottom of the colors tab at the bottom of the theme control panel turned on by default, so every single window was the same color, focused or not.
Thankfully someone here took pity on me a while back and told me what I was missing when I complained about it, instead of insulting me.
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
So few people use features specific to 7,8,10. To general user its arbitrary.
I'm working with a production tool from Nordic for flashing/burning and testing their IoT devices in mass production.
It's software development environment (necessary for testing the peripherals you added to your board) is only supported under 7, 7-pro, 8, and 8.1. (I've since heard that 7 Pro 64-bit is still available for a while but haven't checked that, or whether they really went ahead with the threatened shutdown this time.)
Microsoft end-of-lifed the OS versions and (supposedly) the last time you could get a new one from a retailer was Oct 31, (and then only preinstalled on a new machine).
I suspect the Oct purchase spike was, at least partly, users of mission critical applications that only run on the relevant versions, trying to head off disaster if a machine fails or they need additional seats.
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What you call insecure is what they call tempted by the devil and their own feelings their inner demons. If you are not tempted by evil, you're not threatened by it. If you are tempted by evil, you do feel threatened by it and as long as you think homosexuals are instruments of evil then homophobia is almost rational in context. If they hear "give in do the dark side" when you say "trust your feelings" you're whispering the devil's words in their ear. That's kinda the basis of the whole religion, we're relentless sinners in thoughts and deeds who are all in need of mercy and forgiveness. They certainly made enough rules to make sure...
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According to Microsoft, you job is not to use your computer for work, instead your job is to look at the advertisements so that Microsoft makes more money.
People who are upgrading today, and paying for the upgrade, should not be subjected to spying. In the case where Windows 10 was free, one could say that the customer data was the product. But when the customer is paying for it, like they now are, they should not be the product