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Windows 7 and 8.1 Are Gaining More New Users Than Windows 10 (digitaltrends.com)
New submitter TroII writes: After Microsoft ended its year-long "free" Windows 10 offer, new installations have slowed predictably. But in an unexpected turn, October saw more new installs of both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 than of Windows 10. Compared to September's numbers, market share increased only 0.06% for Windows 10, while new installations of Windows 7 and 8.1 were an order of magnitude higher at 0.68%. According to tracking firm NetMarketShare, Windows 7 is still by far the most popular version of the OS, installed on more than twice as many computers as Microsoft's latest offering.
So few people use features specific to 7,8,10. To general user its arbitrary.
It is not a big shock after the tactics that MS has used. They have burned a lot of bridges with win 10 and those of us stuck in the Windows ecosystem are snatching up the best, most stable version, Windows 7. Be prepared for lawsuits though, as it looks like MS is going to try and shove the crappiest parts of Windows 10 on us through bundled updates...
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'nuff said.
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As a hard-core MMORPG'er, I got fed up with the wasted resources being hogged up by unwanted crap like Cortana and went back to Win 7, which amazingly enough still runs all of my work-related Rockwell and Siemens stuff just fine. Screw Windows 10.
Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
About once a month I install Windows 7 on a VM to test out my application on that OS. I wonder if such activity taints the analysis. My application has "online help" which uses a web browser to deliver help when the user presses "F1" - stats from visitors to that webserver that shows unique Windows 7 declined from 31% in Oct 2015 to 10% in Oct 2016, compared to unique Windows 10 users growing from 38% to 53% in the same period.
Could it be more people like Windows 7 and 8 better than Window's 10? In a free market economy the most popular option should win.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
What do you mean there's nothing wrong with homosexuality? Faggots must die!!
There is a large number of scientific studies who have shown quite conclusively that there tends to be a direct correlation between how much guys hate homosexuals and how flamboyant their own repressed homosexual tendencies are. You should buy some butt-lube, find yourself a boyfriend and learn about the prostate gland. It would do a lot to solve your blood pressure problem.
There is a large number of scientific studies ...
Quotation needed.
Firstly, it's [citation needed], if you were a real nerd you would know that. Secondly: here you go.. Thirdly, try this site the sooner you sign up the better you'll feel when you finally break out of the circle of denial.
How are they measuring when new installs are performed?
It's probably just the government upgrading from XP to 7.
Why is it a surprise that an OS created for desktop and mobile doesn't run as well as one written exclusively for desktops? Why is it a surprise that small businesses prefer an OS that works better for them than the "upgrade" which removed Pro features? Apple and M$ are both dumbing down their professional offerings. I anticipate the day when I'll have to go full Linux just to have something professional grade, and I'll have a single box for QuickBooks. Alas.
Make love, not reality television.
You can find great discrepancies between the OS market share reported from different sources, which shows how inaccurate they are. Let's face it, all they can do is guess by the only external method they can find - web browser stats. Only Microsoft can tell you anything even close to accurate as far as usage goes, and even they are limited to computers that are connected to the Internet.
The percentage changes listed in the TFA are going to be dwarfed by the error margin such that it is completely meaningless to try to make any proclamations that a significant number of people are downgrading Windows.
... that's because WIn 10 is malware/spyware and is shit....
Clearly, Microsoft isn't really interested in satisfying their desktop users. Instead, they're desperately trying to get into the 'customer as a product' business model, because they sense, (probably correctly), that they're doomed if they don't. That's why they did what they did with Win10 - they want a captive user base whose data they can control and exploit. Bing has been pretty much a failure, and their foray into the mobile market has been a total disaster. They're losing a lot of server business to *nix. They see the likes of Google and Facebook dominating the Web. They see leveraging their desktop presence as the only possible path to the kind of success that others are enjoying, because they no longer posses the imagination to strike out in a truly new direction, and because they're iron-bound by the artery-hardened internal bureaucracy that all big corporations eventually succumb to. Windows 10 was the desperate plan of a dinosaur in its death throes.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
Unfortunately Microsoft couldn't resist mucking up a perfectly good OS in Windows 10 and turning it into a data miner, and marketing tool. Forced updates, downloading apps you don't want, reinstalling them after you deleted them. Constant nagging to try their services or products. I am thinking now that Windows 10 was not even worth it for free. Because as I now know nothing is really free and I'm paying the price now. Seriously looking at alternatives in operating systems to escape this Microsoft mess.
A whole thirty five people! Penile girth as a measure of homophobia?
Well if you find other men sexually attractive there is bound to be a reaction in that region of your anatomy and if you are also a rabid homophobe, like you seem to be, .... well, ... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to add those two facts up.
Considering that Windows 10 was designed as a "one size fits all" solution that is intended to run on machine with limited power, it's not surprising that in this case the performance is an improvement.
I've run Windows10 and Windows7 on some machines I've upgraded for work. There was no user discernible difference in speed or performance. Maybe there was some minor benchmark difference but it certainly wasn't enough to matter. The boot up times are not meaningfully different, the interfaces didn't speed up, and none of the applications run any better. There might be some under the hood improvements but they certainly aren't obvious.
Also they did away with the flashy Windows 7 UI and replaced it with rectangles - another performance improvement that I don't mind. I like minimal, simple things.
Windows 10 is many things but "minimal" and "simple" are not among them. The rectangle thing isn't easier or simpler, particularly if you are talking about Windows 8... shudder.
Your requested sources were posted an hour before you wrote that, And yeah we believe the AC is really a scientist.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
The weird thing is that Microsoft seems to have adopted suicide as a business model. Their main competitor is Android creeping up with the 'it's all free, in exchange for all of your personal data' business model.
Really? Because nothing Google is doing with Android has replaced a single computer at my office or the office of anyone I know. Some of the kids at the local schools use Chromebooks but that's about it. Android (along with iOS) has the mobile market but there is no evidence that Windows based PCs are going to go away any time soon because of that. Heck the computer I'm typing this on has 6 applications that are critical for my day job which are in no way, shape, or form available on the Android platform and aren't likely to be on that platform anytime soon. Microsoft Office is still the de-facto standard for office documents and that is showing little sign of changing either. (For my part I've standardized my company on LibreOffice... not that it matters)
Microsoft has made some big mis-steps to be sure but they have a Scrooge McDuck pile of cash and a near impenetrable fortress in business PCs. I don't think they are going anywhere any time soon and certainly not about to keel over and die. I'm strongly in the camp that dislikes Microsoft but I'm under no illusion that they are in any real danger of dying.
I don't think that a lot of people said that Windows 7 sucked when it came out. Actually, they mostly praised it, and said how much of an improvement it was over Windows Vista.
Likewise, Windows 10 seems like a huge improvement over Windows 8.
With residential PC purchases dropping as people use more mobile (Android/iOS) devices, this makes sense. I'd wager that most new Windows installations are in the corporate environment, where Win7 is still the standard image being installed.
Thank's to Microsoft and his fucked-up W10!
Look at the Microsoft shills: so desperate to derail the topic, and so lacking in their ability to actually do so, that this is their chosen strategy. Priceless!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
One possibility occurs to me to explain the increase of Windows 7 installs. For a year, users of 7 and 8.x were allowed a free upgrade. (and let us not forget the shenanigans Microsoft pulled in "persuading" users to upgrade.) Thing is; none of those upgraded users received a physical copy of the Win10 installation media or a license key. So if a hard drive dies or the install gets corrupted badly enough, the user is going to have to reinstall whichever version they had been using previously. (I won't get into the stupidity of having ones physical copy of the OS actually be provided by a hidden restore partition on the root drive)
As far as I know NetMarketShare is just counting installations based on what peoples user agent strings are reporting during normal web surfing. I don't know of any way to determine an OS date of install from a user agent string.
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There is a large number of scientific studies ...
Quotation needed.
There is a large number of scientific studies ...
There you go.
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I think I'm one of the very few people who likes Windows 10. Yes, the telemetry features are not a great move, but just disable all of that crap and you're all set. Windows 10 uses less resources and starts up faster than my previous Windows 7. But the real improvements where on my girl's older laptop, where the update from 7 to 10 worked wonders by greatly improving startup times and no longer locking up randomly when starting or using a browser. HD video on Netflix or Amazon Prime is greatly improved. She was very sceptical about the update because she preferred the "nicer" look of 7 compared to 10's spartan look and feel, but has had zero regrets after the update.
I have also had no incompatibility problems with applications and everything worked just as before, after updating. I was actually very surprised about how smooth the update was. I also like how 10 will explicitly ask me before performing updates and not simply decide to shut down and restart whenever it sees fit, like all previous versions of Windows seemed to do.
I don't use Cortana and whatever other privacy invading crap there might be, and as standard Windows installation for gaming and media, I think Windows 10 is better than 7.
I am one of those who voluntarily upgraded from Windows 8 to 10. In fact, in 2014, I got a laptop that had 8 on it, and hated it so much (10 was not out then) that I wiped it out w/ PC-BSD 10.0. I later had a job that required me to have my own laptop w/ Windows, so I got a cheap $250 laptop w/ Windows 8, but upgraded it to 10 at the first available opportunity.
On the resource consumption question, Windows 8 would have indeed consumed less had they not mucked up the user interface. By tossing in that variable and trying to put a touchscreen UI on a laptop OS, thereby making a section of laptops touchscreen, they totally ruined it. Even installing Classic Shell didn't get rid of the hot corners issue. In fact, Classic Shell is a better utility for Windows 10, where it allows you to make the OS look like 7, 8 or even XP. Only shortcoming of Classic shell - if you want to change the appearance of the Start button from either the Classic Shell logo or the Windows logo and put in an image, which they allow, they don't know how to scale it properly.
But on the privacy issue, I sidestep it by not using any of their social features at all. Cortana - I don't use any of the voice searches, be it Cortana, Siri or Okay Google. For all my financial transactions, I use my PC-BSD laptop. If I need to shop from Amazon, I either use that, or I use my Ellipsis tablet (Lollypop). Similarly, anything official, it's the PC-BSD laptop. The only thing I use the Windows laptop right now is for work, as well as for games, since I still don't have TrueOS 11 w/ a Steam VM which should allow me to play Civ V and VI.
Hopefully, by the time Microsoft migrates to a subscription based OS, I'll be gone from Windows completely.
This is a terrible study design. They group people into homophobe and not homophobe with a survey, then they show gay porn to the homophobes and straight porn to the non homophobes. This proves what? That people who answer as homophobic are more prone to penile enlargement? Show the homophobes BOTH gay porn AND straight porn and see if there is any DIFFERENCE in enlargement. Then do the same for non homophobes. THAT is how you design a real study. But since they didn't test this, all they managed to prove was that homopbobes are more prone to penile girth enlargement. Heck just the fact that their penis is being measured could be the enlarging factor - YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S A SHITTY STUDY DESIGN.
But I expect no less from that branch of pseudo-science called "psychology".
I'll ruin this by you one more time and maybe you will understand. If you are (A) a homophobe, (B) you get an erection from homosexual porn and (C) homophobic men disproportionately often get an erection while watching gay porn while non-homophobic men show little or no reaction then it is safe to conclude that homophobia is a product of uncertainty in homophobic men over their own sexuality. Usually these individuals have been raised to believe that 'homosexuality is a sin and the wages of sin are death' (directly quoting a US American bible thumper the Lutheran church in my country invited to a theological conference) or some similar religiously motivated dribble. So, if a man raised in such a culture finds him self getting aroused while watching good looking guys in the locker room the psychological reaction of such men, with monotonous regularity, is rabid homophobia. You being a case in point. Oh and stop screaming, it's rude.
Amazing how many Trolls jump in to make sure that everyone else can't have a discussion about the topic. What a bunch of losers.
A brain is a terrible thing to waste... Mind? That's debatable.
Nope. You are not rubber.
This is the EXACT kind of bullshit that caused me to flip to Republican this year. You nit wits all act like a bunch of commies. They were big on the group think and re-education camps.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
I did a trial of some Lenovo laptops with Windows 10 enterprise at work. When the Anniversary update came out, they all got hosed. One was completely unrecoverable so I trashed the whole thing and put Windows 7 on it. The rest managed to back out, but still lost a day of productivity in the process.
Microsoft has demonstrated quite clearly that they do not have the ability to successfully update their own OS without causing all hell to break loose.
And to make matters worse, Home and Pro users cannot opt out of updates and telemetry. Microsoft even disabled the group policy elements for it.
And meanwhile, Apple *could* be raking in marketshare from Microsoft's screwups, but unfortunately they appear to have their own collectives heads shoved up their asses as well.
So now Linux is starting to gain popularity. Between Chromebooks and machines being pre-loaded with Ubuntu, I really hope Linux tightens the screws on all these old guard companies that have lost their way.
Going to upgrade a financial firm from XP on Monday and a gas station on tuesday. Both going to Win7. Commercial IT is slow to change.
You need to read Ozymandias:
Already read it and it doesn't apply here. Microsoft has enough cash that they could buy BOTH Ford and GM at the same time in cash with money left over if the mood moved them. Unless they are completely idiotic they could simply buy their way into a new industry in the (unlikely) event their current one stops being profitable for them. People have this naive idea that just because Microsoft has a cash cow with Windows/Office that they will never be anything else and that their fate is tied to those products. That might have been true once but it isn't true anymore.
Is it just me or is much of the latest tech lately not very impressive? I'm using Win 7, a 2012 Macbook Pro, and a Galaxy S5 phone, and feel no desire to upgrade anything. Stop changing a UI that everyone likes, stop removing features that people like, stop adding features that no one wants.
Honestly, 4GB is the minimum that Windows 10 needs to run well. Given that factoid, I've long argued that Windows 10 should have dropped support for 32 bit altogether. As it is, 32 bit can't address even all 4GB that the address space allows, and the OS doesn't include PAE. So they should have aimed Windows 8 and 10 at 64-bit capable computers only, and sidestepped the issue of resource consumption.
I'm guessing a chunk of these are people reverting back to their originally installed OS by performing a system recovery.
Sure, the Windows 10 upgrade was free for a while, but if the computer was wiped or reset, all the user could do was install the original OS.
"A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
First the study showed straight, lesbian and gay male porn to BOTH groups. You just made up that bit about only showing the straight porn to the non-homophobes and the gay porn to the homophobes because you have no argument against it.
Second, you are showing signs of classic denial. If you are gay, then just be gay. There is no need to be all angry and constantly trying to prove how macho and non-gay you are. Nobody really cares except for you and other homophobes. The sooner you accept the fact that you like men, the sooner you can move forward with your life and the happier you will be because you can let go of all of that defensive aggression.
It seems clear to me why MS decided that only Win10 would support Intel's new Kaby Lake processors, and the Zen line from AMD. They are betting that they can overcome resistance to Win10 by limiting the choices you have for running windows applications on new hardware.
Then they'll wonder why Chrome devices are gaining in popularity.
So few people use features specific to 7,8,10. To general user its arbitrary.
I'm working with a production tool from Nordic for flashing/burning and testing their IoT devices in mass production.
It's software development environment (necessary for testing the peripherals you added to your board) is only supported under 7, 7-pro, 8, and 8.1. (I've since heard that 7 Pro 64-bit is still available for a while but haven't checked that, or whether they really went ahead with the threatened shutdown this time.)
Microsoft end-of-lifed the OS versions and (supposedly) the last time you could get a new one from a retailer was Oct 31, (and then only preinstalled on a new machine).
I suspect the Oct purchase spike was, at least partly, users of mission critical applications that only run on the relevant versions, trying to head off disaster if a machine fails or they need additional seats.
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Why are they still selling Windows 7 and 8? That makes no sense. I understand if they feel the need to support them seemingly forever, but they certainly don't have to sell any *new* licenses. This is just idiotic. Using Windows is bad enough, but a 7 year old version of it? Come on...
What you call insecure is what they call tempted by the devil and their own feelings their inner demons. If you are not tempted by evil, you're not threatened by it. If you are tempted by evil, you do feel threatened by it and as long as you think homosexuals are instruments of evil then homophobia is almost rational in context. If they hear "give in do the dark side" when you say "trust your feelings" you're whispering the devil's words in their ear. That's kinda the basis of the whole religion, we're relentless sinners in thoughts and deeds who are all in need of mercy and forgiveness. They certainly made enough rules to make sure...
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While my current systems are Win 7 with all auto updates disabled or some flavor of Linux, my next purchase will likely be a Win 10 based unit ( Wacom Mobile Pro ) since finding anything new with Win 7 on it is unlikely.
Since disabling the spyware is pointless if MS just re-enables it with updates you can't disable, is it possible to just blackhole known MS address space at the router or would that ACL be epic in size ?
Wireshark is easy enough to watch, but didn't know if that work has been done already or not.
Technically, I can just tell the router to disallow the unit from getting off the local lan completely ( I do this with several devices already ), but some software will need authentication from time to time ( I'm looking at you Adobe ) so will probably just allow access to specific subnets only and block the rest.
Other than Adobe stuff checking in, net access won't really be needed. I'll just transfer project stuff to a share drive and pick up with another system if I need to get it out on the net.
The ironic thing is that Vista got to be pretty decent after a few years. While 7 was a dramatic improvement over what Vista was when it came out, so was the version of Vista when Win 7 came out.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I do not get all the hostility that Windows 7 downgraders get.
Windows 7 may be +7 years old, but it's still the best desktop OS Microsoft really made. It went downhill with Windows 8, and everything that followed.
... From my Seagate 1 TB HDD crash (clicks of death) with the ancient, updated Windows XP Pro SP3 stuff on it. It was a good run and reliable. It was time to o/` let it go o/` ... :P
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MS should have made dx12 great. Ready with the gpu makers. Worked with game makers to ensure they knew what to expect and how to make great games with MS products.
Then released a ready product that worked with gpu's and made games better.
That would have driven upgrades, great new features that would have been ready at release, full supported by games and been gpu ready.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
There is a large number of scientific studies ...
Quotation needed.
There is a large number of scientific studies ...
There you go.
I still run Windows 7 on my desktop and laptop, as a backup to Linux. I just keep it around because of nostalgia and because of older MS Office software. However, wps.com offers me a reason to free up that diskspace and replace it by a more recent operating system.
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Obviously, you don't know how Inventor uses Excel in this context. It's not an ODF issue.
Windows 7 is a very stable OS and works well. Windows 10 just has to many bugs with the forced install , the uncontrollable updates, the spyware and such just is driving users away.