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New MacBook Pro Has Already Outsold All Other Laptops This Year (macrumors.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the that-didn't-take-long dept.

New submitter TheFakeTimCook writes: An article on MacRumors has revealed that Apple's latest MacBook Pro has already outsold all competing laptops this year, according to new data shared by research firm Slice Intelligence: "Slice Intelligence says the new MacBook Pro accumulated more revenue from online orders during its first five days of availability than the Microsoft Surface Book, ASUS Chromebook Flip, Dell Inspiron 2-in-1, and Lenovo Yoga 900, based on e-receipt data from 12,979 online shoppers in the United States. The new MacBook Pro generated over seven times the revenue that the 12-inch MacBook did over its first five days of availability, according to Slice Intelligence. If accurate, that means it took the new MacBook Pro just five days to accumulate 78% of all the revenue generated by the 12-inch MacBook since its April 2015 launch. The data follows Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller's claim the new MacBook Pro had received more online orders than any previous MacBook Pro as of November 2. Apple has also reportedly told its overseas manufacturers to expect strong MacBook Pro shipments to last until at least the end of 2016. Slice Intelligence extracts detailed information from hundreds of millions of aggregated and anonymized e-receipts."

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  1. So maybe... by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple *do* know their target markets after all!

    Personally I wouldn't want one. Too many VMs, and I want 32GB in my next laptop, but that's some sales, so whodathunkit, I'm not your typical purchaser; and, probably, neither are those who were complaining...

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    1. Re:So maybe... by barc0001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Horseshit. This is textbook manufacturing stats. They literally picked 4 laptops at random as it's "competition", INCLUDING A $350 CHROMEBOOK and said "they sold more than these 4 models who they compete against. They're winning everything!!!1!1!"

      I guess Fiat's winning the worldwide vehicle sales because they've sold more Pandas than Lamborghini has sold Murchilagos and Caterpillar has sold GT011 road graders!

    2. Re:So maybe... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Too many VMs, and I want 32GB in my next laptop,

      Look into the Dell M6700. 32 GB, 4 Hard Drives, 17" screen. It's a great mobile workstation.

      I outgrew my Apple Laptops years ago.

    3. Re:So maybe... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Used on eBay they're less than a grand. The top of the line CPU that fits in it is still on the tops of mobile benchmarks on cpubenchmarks.

    4. Re:So maybe... by Gussington · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple *do* know their target markets after all!

      And so do Slashdot headline editors. RTFA, it says MBP outsold something else unrelated under a specific set of arbitrary conditions that bear no connection to reality.
      Large laptop purchases are done by corporates directly with their supplier, not through public online channels. These numbers mean nothing.

    5. Re:So maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There was nothing random about the 4 models chosen... Those are the top selling machines out there.

    6. Re:So maybe... by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple *do* know their target markets after all!

      There is a large market for people who wanted a faster and better macbook air. The air was overdue for an update and apple hit the mark with it. The macbook pro 2016 is a great successor to the macbook air for people with a bunch of money who wanted a faster macbook pair.

      The "problem" is that this left a complete vacuum in the product line for people who actually wanted a macbook pro.

      To make a car analogy,... if Ford releases a sexy new F-150... exept it's a car, and it's basically just a nicer faster Mustang.... then it could sell really well to people who own Mustangs and wanted something faster and better. That doesn't make it a bad product, and it'll sell well etc.

      But for people who were buying F-150s because they needed a pickup truck, well their left going WTF. Especially, because, to make the anology complete the F150 in this scenario happens to be the ONLY truck ford made. So its not like truck customers could move into the F250 or something. The F150 is now a car. If you needed a truck... well fuck you.

      And THAT is the new macbook "pro"... its a fine laptop on its own, its a nice upgrade from the macbook air... but its a useless joke if you are looking for a pro laptop.

    7. Re:So maybe... by Yvan256 · · Score: 2

      I can't wait to see the A10-powered Mac mini Air!

    8. Re: So maybe... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      A lightweight compared to the Kaypro II...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaypro

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    9. Re: So maybe... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Also Microsoft sells Surface direct.

      Apple sells almost everything direct. What's your point?

    10. Re:So maybe... by Rukia · · Score: 2

      I think this is a great insight and a problem with many products. They use an iconic brand to sell a similar but lesser, cheaper to make product at a premium.

    11. Re:So maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Top selling machines in different price ranges and case uses. You don't compare sales of bicycles with sales of cars.

    12. Re: So maybe... by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Carrying an extra fucking monitor around strikes you as reasonable does it? Hahaha

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    13. Re: So maybe... by Megol · · Score: 1

      Well with a 17" computer you can have a desktop - but in a portable format. ;)

      Look for example at the MSI GS73VR - ~2.5kg (~5.4 pounds) with a GTX 1060 and a i7 6700HQ.

    14. Re: So maybe... by Maxwell · · Score: 1

      UH, they stop selling last years models when the news one come out. OP though that was obvious. So if the 2018 F150 was turned into a mustang, how would you buy a 2017 f150? they aren't making them anymore. analogy stands.

    15. Re:So maybe... by barc0001 · · Score: 2

      They're not even top selling machines! The Surface Book? It's selling 5% of the volume of the Surface Pro 3 and 4. That Asus Chromebook isn't in the top 5 of Chromebooks.

      Plus the sample size of 13000 sales is pathetically small.

    16. Re:So maybe... by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Large laptop purchases are done by corporates directly with their supplier, not through public online channels. These numbers mean nothing.

      Corporates do indeed make the most laptop purchases, but it is quite disingenuous to count them in as they are not really representative of what private users want from their laptop.

      I do agree that the numbers are silly and contrived though.

      I think my employers have brought laptops for me at about twice the rate I by personal laptops for myself. I think that's because I make better choices and I option up the RAM, disk, screen and CPU so it lasts longer.

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    17. Re:So maybe... by erapert · · Score: 1

      I can't wait to see the A10-powered Mac mini Air!

      I don't think a GAU-8/A will fit on my lap... But it might fit on your mother's.

    18. Re: So maybe... by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Also Microsoft sells Surface direct.

      Apple sells almost everything direct. What's your point?

      Through their website which I assume Slice Intelligence has a hook into to get this data. These types of companies are less likely to have hooks into B2B systems eg When I email my account manager and order 100 laptops, that is invisible to webpage analytic companies.
      The point is that the numbers are flakey at best. I'm not denying the MBP is popular, heaps of people here have them. But companies buy HP, Lenovo, Dell by the thousand, and just because Dell don't simply label all their machines Dell Book Pro, doesn't mean they aren't selling a ton of them

    19. Re: So maybe... by tigersha · · Score: 1

      That is why I decided to spend my 1500 euros on a dual CPU 14 core Xeon rig, which gives me 56 cores and 256GB of RAM. I really do not need to carry all my VMs with me, and they do not need a GPU in any case.

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    20. Re: So maybe... by rhyous · · Score: 1

      17" laptops make awesome couch laptops. We don't tote it around out of the house much, but it travels all around the house.

      It is also pretty awesome to watch a second college football game on a 17" laptop from watch espn while the TV has a game already on. :-)

    21. Re: So maybe... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I can see your point. It's just I'm tired of this constant drive to lighten and thin everything. I'd rather have more battery and more power than a thin computer. More weight is a good trade off in my opinion for longer battery life and a big screen I don't have to squint at. I'm pissed that Apple doesn't see fit to produce a new 17" model despite all the people clamoring for it.

  2. Competing PRO or AIR laptops? by mfarah · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So these new MacBook Pro are outselling their competition... Lenovo's Yoga 900, not Lenovo's Thinkpad [T/X/P], etcetera. So the new MacBook Pro are effectively the new Macbook AIR line, only with a misleading name.

    Sod off, Apple.

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    1. Re:Competing PRO or AIR laptops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah..why doesn't this article compare to the sales of a corporate like of laptops (Professional) like Dell Latitudes or IBM Thinkpads?

    2. Re:Competing PRO or AIR laptops? by Maritz · · Score: 1

      The only reason the article exists is to create the sense in your head that these laptops are amazingly popular. A comparison that doesn't show that doesn't achieve what the article-writer set out to do.

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  3. Why are they comparing macbook pro to netbooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I looked up these laptops and the ASUS Chromebook Flip is a $300 netbook, the Dell Inspiron 2-in-1 is also a $300 netbook , and Lenovo Yoga 900 isn't even for sale on lenovo's Canadian site.

  4. Re:Really.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the new MacBook Pro accumulated more revenue from online orders

    So the most expensicve laptop on the market generated more revenue than cheaper models. And this is news how exactly?

  5. Out sold? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Informative

    "New MacBook Pro Has Already Outsold All Other Laptops This Year " (TFS and TFA title)

    ... the new MacBook Pro accumulated more revenue ...

    Perhaps we differ on the meaning of the phrase "out sold". I take it to mean "number of units" not total revenue. By the latter standard, my house has out sold all new MacBook Pro's this year -- okay, maybe not *my* house, but someone's house ...

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    1. Re:Out sold? by barc0001 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And not to mention this is apples to pineapples and bananas and peaches. They're saying the "competiton" for the new Macbook Pro is:

      - Microsoft's white elephant Surface Book which is super spiffy and if I ever won the lottery I'm sure I'd buy one, but not before then
      - A $350 Chromebook
      - A Dell 2 in 1 that is a "budget enthusiast" class laptop with a $700 price
      - The Lenovo Yoga 900 which is probably the closest competition of the 4 to the MacBook Pro but still not quite in the same class.

      If they're counting revenue, the only one that costs more than the Macbook is the Surface Book that everyone admires but agrees is way too costly. The others are selling sub $1000 and on razor thin profit margins, especially for the Chromebook.

      The whole article is bullshit fanboyism torturing stats to make them say something positive.

    2. Re:Out sold? by stevez67 · · Score: 2

      Welcome to capitalism. Any product "should cost" precisely as much as the market will pay, no more and no less. Successful companies sell products at prices their customers are willing to pay, not what pundits and random people "think" the prices should be.

    3. Re:Out sold? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      It's easy to "out sell" when your product costs triple what it should.

      No, that is not AT ALL easy to do. Companies can't just arbitrarily raise prices and expect customers to just accept it. When a company raises prices, revenues usually go down. Apple is only able to charge a premium because they have worked for decades to build up a mystique around their brand.

    4. Re:Out sold? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately every products costs the amount it costed t produce it plus the margin the producer wants to make.
      And that has nothing to do with what "the market" is willing to pay for it.

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    5. Re:Out sold? by willy_me · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately every products costs the amount it costed t produce it plus the margin the producer wants to make. And that has nothing to do with what "the market" is willing to pay for it.

      The margin the producer wants to make is based on the number of sales the producer wants and what "the market" is willing to pay. If sales are too low, the producer typically lowers the price. If sales are too high the producer either increases the price or increases production. Increasing production generally increases the unit cost over the short term so producers try to avoid this. But everything is based on what "the market" is willing to pay. Should production cost exceed what "the market" is willing to pay the producer ceases production and drops out of the market. So the production cost only determines if a product is produced in the first place.

    6. Re:Out sold? by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Apple is only able to charge a premium because they have worked for decades to build up a mystique around their brand.

      Question for you, how did Apple create this "mystique"?

      I remember someone telling me he'd never buy a John Deere because he wasn't going to "buy a bunch of green paint" when he could get another tractor cheaper. Having grown up on a farm we learned the value of that "green paint" firsthand. You've heard the phrase "making hay while the sun shines"? Well it is hard to make hay if the baler is broken down. You can't fake "mystique" for decades. There has to be something real behind it because people figure that out real quick. This is sometimes a lesson learned the hard way, like seeing your crop get washed away in a hard rain because it wasn't baled up in time.

      Having been an engineer and IT geek for years now I learned the value of that "Apple premium" firsthand as well. Apple makes good equipment, that is why they can charge a premium.

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    7. Re:Out sold? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Brands are not constructed from "mystique", whatever that is. Brands are a reputation for quality.

      Unknown brands have no reputation, so they have to discount to sell volume. Either that or satisfy themselves with small sales.
      Brands with a reputation for poor quality may save themselves by discounting, but they're probably on the way out.
      Brands that have a reputation for acceptable and predictable quality change market prices.
      Brands that are able to charge premium prices only get to that position from many years of producing high-quality products.

      Apple can charge what it does because many of the purchasers have had Apple products before and want another. And then there's the new customers who've learned of Apple's quality through word of mouth.

    8. Re:Out sold? by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Welcome to capitalism. Any product "should cost" precisely as much as the market will pay, no more and no less. Successful companies sell products at prices their customers are willing to pay, not what pundits and random people "think" the prices should be.

      Completely true, and it illustrates the love and devotion of Apple fans, that they will let the utter piss be taken out of them. It's amazing brand loyalty. I won't be buying one, because I don't like OSX and I don't like Apple's brand of smug marketing - oh and the price is a "jokes on you" type price.

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    9. Re:Out sold? by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Apple makes good equipment, that is why they can charge a premium.

      Lots of companies make good equipment. Apple's marketing works better on you than on others.

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    10. Re:Out sold? by blindseer · · Score: 1

      And it took them only three decades of "marketing" to get me as a customer. Seems so easy that any idiot can do it.

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    11. Re:Out sold? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the markets don't work by your simplified 101 economics view.

      E.g. buyers need to have other options, and information. If one of both are missing they simply have to pay the price or not buy at all. So your "what they are willing to pay" gets pretty soon pretty fishy.

      E.g. I'm not willing to pay 25cent for my kWh of power ... but I have to. There is no option not to pay or not to have power.

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    12. Re:Out sold? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Prices are not set at cost of production plus profit. Assuming no mistakes, the prices are set for the maximum profit point, because companies don't think "We're making enough money on that, no need to make more" so much as "We want as much profit as we can get.". This does involve cost of production, since profit is revenue minus expenses, which do include cost of production, but cost of production doesn't itself determine the price. Desired margins are more of a rule of thumb.

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    13. Re:Out sold? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Wrong. You don't want to figure out why some people like Apple stuff, so you attribute it to "marketing" working on inferior minds. To you, "marketing" appears to be the God of the Gaps, a mystical word to explain what you don't even try to understand.

      Marketing is important in stuff sold, but not that important, and marketing also includes figuring out what people want. Figuring out what people want so you can provide that to them is a positive contribution.

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    14. Re:Out sold? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      One thing that sold me was when I had an iPhone problem, and called Apple Support. I got a woman on line who spoke English as well as I do, knew what she was talking about, and took the time to explain what was happening and what I could do about it, and gave me a URL for more detailed information. If you're going to use a support line, service like that is worth paying extra for.

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    15. Re:Out sold? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      1) Prices are not set at cost of production plus profit.
      and:
      Assuming no mistakes, the prices are set 2) for the maximum profit point,
      1) and 2) is exactly the same, or is it not?

      because companies don't think "We're making enough money on that, no need to make more" so much as "We want as much profit as we can get."
      Depends on the company and legislations.

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    16. Re:Out sold? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I should have used the exact quote:

      Unfortunately every products costs the amount it costed t produce it plus the margin the producer wants to make.

      I interpreted that to mean that the margin was something more or less fixed, and that things are priced on the basis of cost plus margin. By that interpretation, it's wrong.. Nor are prices composed of cost to produce plus profit, since there's a lot of other stuff in between.

      A regulated monopoly will normally run on a cost-plus-margin basis, since that's the compensation for having the monopoly. Most stuff I buy isn't from regulated monopolies.

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  6. Target audience by dhuv · · Score: 1

    There are lots of people that want an Apple laptop (because it is cool) and will upgrade because it is thinner. Apple knows this and made a product to sell to them.

    The problem may be that they are alienating certain developers. It still remains to be seen if the people complaining are really a large population or just a loud population. Many reviews complained about "lack of ports" on the MacBook but that laptop is awesome (I have been using it since April 2015 and love it) and I am not alone. I don't think people will mind getting a dongle or get new accessories (SD card readers). I do think that Apple needs to provide an option for 32GB of memory.

    Even if Apple pisses people off, I don't see people moving to Windows all of a sudden since there are other issues there. I wish Linux was a more viable alternative for a development environment. That would be awesome to see see developers take that up.

    1. Re:Target audience by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      So it's a case of "Bitches don't know 'bout MAH DEVELOPMINT ENVAHRONMENT"?

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    2. Re:Target audience by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      What, did you think it was an actual new design, using new parts or something? Haha, good one.

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    3. Re:Target audience by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I wish Linux was a more viable alternative for a development environment

      The primariy reason I have a Linux desktop is development. I use Windows 10 to play games, and it really doesn't matter what OS I use for email, the web, and fiction writing. Vim's available on everything I want it on, after all.

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  7. Made in China by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Trump will make sure future MacBook Pros will be Made in America. We can all get jobs assembling MacBook Pros and America will be great again!

    1. Re: Made in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And will cost $10k

    2. Re:Made in China by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      White laptops are soooo 2006.

    3. Re:Made in China by ogdenk · · Score: 2

      There's a reason he won the rust belt and it has nothing to do with being white. Not saying he'll do anything about it in real life but still. Take a drive through Detroit or old steel mill towns in PA. Racism has nothing to do with why he won. I have a hard time believing 50% of the country are baby-boomer xenophobic racist misogynist homophobes that all support a mythological "white male patriarchy" and love a fictional "rape culture".

    4. Re:Made in China by ghoul · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Racists at heart are bullies. Bullies only act out when they feel noone will call them out. Whether Trump himself is a racist or not he has allowed people to think he is so that he can get the racist vote - unemployed middle aged white men who see that they do not have the same positions of power they saw their father had (because their fathers could always get the plum jobs in prefernce to minorities or women) They feel they have been left behind rather than that they have lost a fair competition. This racist votebank has now been emboldened to come out of the shadows. I fear the day to day racist events which will now start occurring. After all if it is OK to make racist and misogynist comments and still be elected President so it is probably ok to make racist and misogynist comments and discriminate in hiring as a Union boss or a small business owner or even as a coworker.

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    5. Re:Made in China by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Trump will make sure future MacBook Pros will be Made in America. We can all get jobs assembling MacBook Pros and America will be great again!

      If he could do this, I might take back everything bad I've said about him. But this would require some actual plan and skill.

    6. Re:Made in China by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Uh, dude, Jobs is dead.

    7. Re:Made in China by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      A competition with people who live in a third world shithole with 1/100th the financial overhead of a US worker willing to take 1/5th the pay with less safety regulations involved.....

      Yeah.... that's totally a fair competition. Go visit the cities I spoke of before you speak retard.

    8. Re: Made in China by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      And will cost $10k

      You forgot to mention there will still be brainless iMorons lining up to buy it.

      With their apple finance.

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    9. Re:Made in China by ghoul · · Score: 1

      Most places in Eastern Chinese cities are more expensive to live in than in suburban midwest. Its not that Chinese workers have a lower cost of living. Its that they are willing to do the same work and live in a small apartment shared with Grandparents and have 1 child per couple as compared to Midwesterners who want to live in ranch style homes with 2 pickup trucks and have 6 children while still producing the same amount of value as a Chinese factory worker. Why should consumers subsidize your lifestyle with higher prices? If you want a better lifestyle provide more value.
      In any case I wasn't even talking about competition with China. A lot of White men don't have jobs because since the 1970s white women have jobs as well as black men have jobs in the factories which used to be just white men. When they compare with how easy their daddies had it they feel its unfair but they don't realize how unfair it was to minorities and women in their daddies' generation. Its called correction to mean. When you have had it unfairly good just coming back to a fair system seems unfair.

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    10. Re:Made in China by deadwill69 · · Score: 1

      It's already happening. The KKK was putting fliers on car windows in my downtown neighborhood yesterday. The facebooks is already full of the rest. I hope he reins in the loons quick or it's going to be a long 3 years...

    11. Re:Made in China by deadwill69 · · Score: 1

      4, because proof reading it hard.

    12. Re:Made in China by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Racism has plenty to do with his win. He appealed to a lot of people who have been screwed over by the system, and who wanted change in the worst way, which, as far as I can tell, is what they're getting. These people are thinking back to when their recent ancestors had it good, which is roughly the 50s and 60s, and want to go back to that, problems and all. They've been fed a lot of nonsense about what's going on by people who want to exploit them for political purposes, and like most people on Slashdot it sinks in. The powers that be want to split up the people who are screwed by the system so they're fighting each other, and they've done a pretty good job of it, so they foster racism and other bigotry because it means they can stay in power and do what they do. There's also a real strong drive to blame one's problems on someone else, and that plays into this.

      So, we wind up with whites and blacks being told that their problems stem primarily from the other group, and Christians being told that the atheists are the source of their problems, whereas if we all tried to find the actual sources of our problems and worked to eliminate them we'd shake things up too much.

      The 50s and 60s, in the myth, were a time when society was built around white families with stay-at-home wives and children who went to church on Sundays. Women knew their place, which was putting up with a lot of sexism, misogyny, and sexual harassment they would object to nowadays. There were standard routes to financial success, primarily climbing the management ladder in a larger company. (The path was somewhat different for blue-collar and white-collar jobs.) Society then could be pretty brutal to those who didn't fit into the standard categories, and to people in those categories in many cases, but if you're desperate for a past that's not really what it was, even if it wouldn't work today, those are easy things to ignore.)

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  8. Re:Bbbbbut... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, the Macbook has only USB-C and an analog audio jack. The iPhone 7 has Lightning and no analog audio jack. That way you can ensure that you cannot use any common set of headphones without at least one adapter/dongle in the mix.

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  9. What they meant to say... by subk · · Score: 1

    FTFY: It has outsold other Ultrabooks.

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  10. Yah, still not buying one.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm due for an upgrade - but the new form factor (specifically the connectors) don't suit me. Limiting me to 16G is also a non-starter. The good news is that my 4 year old MBP 13" is still pretty awesome. I'll wait till next year - maybe by then the port situation will get a bit less frustrating.. Or not.

    1. Re:Yah, still not buying one.. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      I'm due for an upgrade - but the new form factor (specifically the connectors) don't suit me. Limiting me to 16G is also a non-starter. The good news is that my 4 year old MBP 13" is still pretty awesome. I'll wait till next year - maybe by then the port situation will get a bit less frustrating.. Or not.

      Or you could, you know, consider something other than an apple. Shocking, I know but there are other options. You don't have to wait a few more years hoping they might deem it worthy to let you get however much ram you want or choose from a number of different connectors in different configs. Anyway, they next mbp will probably be a completely wireless affair.

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    2. Re:Yah, still not buying one.. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Or you could, you know, consider something other than an apple

      I'm platform agnostic, my issue with Apple is that I need macOS for doing development and testing for my macOS versions of software. There isn't any real alternatives beyond using Apple for my purposes to my knowledge? However, I'm willing to hear you out.

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    3. Re:Yah, still not buying one.. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with the apple you already have for that? Obviously until they obsolete it and you can't get the latest updates but that'll be oh, at least another year away.

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    4. Re:Yah, still not buying one.. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with the apple you already have for that?

      The one I have doesn't have full support for Metal (graphics API), which prevents me from developing much with MSL.

      Obviously until they obsolete it and you can't get the latest updates but that'll be oh, at least another year away.

      I didn't say I was going to get one today, but as you stated there are alternatives, I just wanted to hear them.

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    5. Re:Yah, still not buying one.. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Well, as you know, if you have to run mac os for any reason then there is no alternative. If you just want a new, or high spec machine there are plenty. Your issue with metal highlights my point though. It's not like you can swap out the graphics card or mobo or whatever part it is that prevents your current machine from supporting it. If you want that you have to stump up the cash for a new mac.

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  11. Re:Bbbbbut... by GreatDrok · · Score: 2

    My BT headphones work perfectly well with my iPhone and MacBook. Wouldn't want to fart around with wires after having these. Sure, I've got some nice wired over ear headphones at home but when I'm out and about the wireless ones are great and support AAC so don't sound all wooshy like some more basic ones do. No dongles for me.

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  12. What do you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When you don't update your machines in years. Less than a month ago, the top Mackbook Pro has a Haswell processor in it.

    There was so much pent up demand, that all they had to do was upgrade the processor, and it would have outsold the competition.

    This is not vindication that what they released is exactly what people wanted, it's a testament to Apple REFUSING to give the users what they want - Timely updates!!!

  13. From the time I was a consultant in BestBuy by fubarrr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know how they pull these digits:

    They count in wholesale orders, even ones that are done for fulfillment in 6 months time and more.

    Are they lying? No. Are they geniune with digits? No No No.

    1. Re:From the time I was a consultant in BestBuy by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I know how they pull these digits:

      They count in wholesale orders, even ones that are done for fulfillment in 6 months time and more.

      Are they lying? No. Are they geniune with digits? No No No.

      Apple is mostly direct sales to the final consumer/business/institution/agency, either through "corporate", or corporate-owned/operated retail, sources; so they can't gain much extra from counting sales through distro channels (Amazon, Fry's, Best Buy, etc) that are either sitting in warehouses, or are part of periodic "releases". Besides, Lead Time has already slipped, so obviously there's no supply glut; and also no need to "stuff" the channel like Samsung did with those Tablets, to gin-up high sales numbers!

      These people have to be counting mostly pre-orders at this point, because, other than demo units at their Retail stores, the Touch Bar versions are JUST now getting ready to ship; BUT, for a very large part, those numbers ARE for real, retail-level, end-user sales, for people who are waiting to have their Charger Cards debited for the price of their NEW MBP, which means their machine is on its way. BTW, I read recently that that had just begun to happen. So we shall soon know for sure...

  14. Intel's refusal to support 32GB of low power RAM.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    has ruined the new MacBook Pro. I work for an MSP in the Seattle area, and every single one of our customers has banned the new Apple from purchases because of Intel. Most of my customers are still buying off-lease 2011 MacBooks since they support the same max amount of RAM.

  15. IT guys and car guys by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    Are terrible people to design mass market products.

    There is a reason why most cars are not brown, diesel, station wagons with manual transmissions.

  16. Apple Pay Freeze by ghoul · · Score: 1

    If Apple is really doing that great why were Apple Employees told during appraisals weare not doing well and given miserable pay revisions and also told to cut budgets and reduce contractor spend by 20% with no employee backfill

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    1. Re:Apple Pay Freeze by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      If Apple is really doing that great why were Apple Employees told during appraisals weare not doing well and given miserable pay revisions and also told to cut budgets and reduce contractor spend by 20% with no employee backfill

      Citation?

    2. Re:Apple Pay Freeze by Maritz · · Score: 1

      You seem to think that Apple would need to be somehow doing poorly in order to short-change staff. Why would that be? Margin is margin and employees suck profit out of the bottom line.

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  17. Re:Intel's refusal to support 32GB of low power RA by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Are you the same guy who can't get Internet access in Seattle faster than 14.4k?

  18. I expect sales to be good by Osgeld · · Score: 2

    I remember a few years ago a co-worker went to art school, told him he HAD to buy a macbook pro for the class, hearing of this I asked what he was running on it.... photoshop

    A current co worker still lugs around his old book pro with a failed battery, I asked why, it does what I want for personal stuff, ok fair enough. Why did you choose it in the first place? It was a requirement for my college.

    now how many other schools require their students to buy only mac, with the 30 year old notion that mac's are better at graphics and or music or whatever else, just so they can run software that will easily run any other laptop?

    1. Re:I expect sales to be good by blindseer · · Score: 1

      now how many other schools require their students to buy only mac, with the 30 year old notion that mac's are better at graphics and or music or whatever else, just so they can run software that will easily run any other laptop?

      I'd like to turn this around. How many colleges require their students to buy a Windows computer with the 30 year old notion that Apple makes only "toys" and to do "real work" you need to run Windows?

      I've recently enrolled in college to update my skills after having graduated many years ago. In my classes so far I don't recall ever being told what kind of computer I should get. In the class notes I will usually see how to run whatever software we are using on Windows and Linux, with the Mac users often left to figure it out on their own. What is odd is that when looking around the classroom at what kind of computers students bring to class I do see a lot of Apple laptops. The instructors seem to be ignorant of Macs but the students seem to figure out how to make them work in class.

      There seemed to be an open hostility to Apple computers way back when I studied engineering and this seems to remain today. You point out yourself that Macs can run most any software just as well as any other computer, then why do you care that the students buy what the instructor recommends for the class?

      I believe I know why the instructors require their students to use a particular kind of computer, the answer is because it makes their job easier. If a student is stuck on something and has a question and the student is using a system that the instructor is not familiar with then the instructor cannot help. The instructors cannot be bothered with learning how to use multiple operating systems for the convenience of the students. The students are presumably there to learn art, not computer skills. They are also presumably spending many thousands of dollars on tuition, books, materials, etc. and therefore the cost of the Mac should just be considered like any other supply needed for the classes.

      I get the impression that you are charging the art schools with the crime of subsidizing Apple sales. Where I go to school the university has a contract with Microsoft to provide software to all students as part of their fees. There is a very real subsidy of Microsoft going on at my school. This might even explain the popularity of Apples on campus. If a student bought, for example, a Dell laptop then they could only run Windows. If a student bought an Apple then they can download Windows for "free" from the university and install it so they can run both Mac OS and Windows, this would be a dual boot or a VM.

      I'm not an art student but I do see an OS preference in the instructors. I have gone against the OS preference of the instructor before and it does make things more difficult. If the instructor sees an unfamiliar system then they will be less likely to help the student if there is a question. If you want to learn the course material then get the computer the instructor recommends. If you want to piss off your instructor then don't get the computer the instructor recommends.

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    2. Re:I expect sales to be good by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      then why do you care that the students buy what the instructor recommends for the class?

      I believe I know why the instructors require their students to use a particular kind of computer, the answer is because it makes their job easier. If a student is stuck on something and has a question and the student is using a system that the instructor is not familiar with then the instructor cannot help.

      I remember when I was in school, and working at the same time, I would not be able to afford a macbook pro, and requiring such an expensive machine seems counterproductive.

      Besides the instructor should not be providing basic computer operation support and hand holding when your using specific software.

    3. Re:I expect sales to be good by Maritz · · Score: 1

      If this particular class is one in which literally any OS can be used, you'd expect in and around 3% of users to be on OSX. I think it might be a tad unreasonable to expect the instructor to know the ins and outs of getting a particular product running on OSX if less than one in 25 students is likely to be using it.

      I was taking this as a rough guide.

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    4. Re:I expect sales to be good by blindseer · · Score: 1

      I remember when I was in school, and working at the same time, I would not be able to afford a macbook pro, and requiring such an expensive machine seems counterproductive.

      I've taken classes where the textbook costs a lot of money, sometimes an order of magnitude more than textbooks for other classes. Are you going to tell the instructor to require a cheaper textbook because it is "counterproductive"?

      It sucks when an instructor requires expensive supplies for a course. If you don't like it then find a different instructor, a different course, or a different school. If you believe the instructor is an idiot for requiring a Mac to take the course then feel free to tell the instructor he/she is an idiot and drop the course.

      Besides the instructor should not be providing basic computer operation support and hand holding when your using specific software.

      In order to avoid the instructor having to provide basic computer support all students should be using the same operating system and the same software. If the instructor says hit Command-7 on the computer then every student should be able to find the Command key and not have to figure out of the equivalent is the Windows key, the Alt key, or if that macro even works on their system.

      The instructor doesn't know how familiar the student is with computers, or a specific operating system, so they will simplify things to avoid the hand holding.

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    5. Re:I expect sales to be good by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      If the instructor says hit Command-7 on the computer

      not much of an instructor if instead of teaching someone how to do something they teach them the shortcut. Shortcuts are handy but students should how to learn what things are and do, not command-7 does magic. Just a few moments ago im sitting there not remembering a short cut, but I knew what it was called and and what subgroup it was in, so it was easy to find in a menu, than OH YEA! its T,V,B,T,V duh!

      Its a fish vs fishing argument

  19. heh by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    Well, of course the MacBoook Pro "outsold" all other laptops this year... it's the only line of laptops with MacOS that was updated after an extremely long time, versus a huge number of options that are constantly being updated with Windows 7,8,10 or any flavor of Linux. It'll obviously outsell any other single brand as long as it keeps it's ecosystem enclosed into a walled garden giving anything from a single option to a handful for desperate users needing an upgrade.

    Wanna get a new Windows 10 laptop? Well, here's a huge choice of options you have to fit whatever needs you have, coming out every single month, with all sorts of prices and specs, from a huge list of brands you can choose whichever is more reliable for you.

    Wanna get a new MacBook? Well, I guess Apple could perhaps release a new revision to replace it's 4 year old Macbook Pro, I'm not sure how much better it'll be since the company has been giving a shit about professional customers anymore, with specs that could be kinda underpowered and outdated, but it's still guaranteed to be Apple priced. It`s your only option though, so you better kneel down and pray to our lord Jobs.

    People who are invested, used to, like and/or have the money to be into the Apple ecosystem will buy a new MacBook Pro - if only for the hardware upgrade and because they have no other option. Not everyone hated the lack of ports, but even those who did just have no other option.

    But hey smart guy, want some statistics? There:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    https://www.statista.com/stati...
    http://www.w3schools.com/brows...
    https://www.netmarketshare.com...

    Nothing new under the sun. MacOS is still around the 10% mark which it has been keeping for around 2 to 3 years now, with different versions of Windows going somewhere between 60% to 80% when added up. There's the plain hard truth of this game: the whole OS preference has been pretty much fixed for quite a while now. And despite Microsoft making some very horrible decisions for Windows 10, I also don't see much incentive for people to go MacOS either.

  20. From the Slice Intelligence Article ... by sk999 · · Score: 1

    The MacRumors article is based on another article from Slice Intelligence. Gotta like this finding:

    "Those who ordered the new MacBook Pro look strikingly similar to the early adopters who bought the Apple Watch on release."

    So how is the Apple Watch fairing these days?

  21. 12979 laptops sold this year? by MeNeXT · · Score: 1

    That's all?

    What kind of stupid article is this and why is it here. In the whole of 2016?

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  22. Revenue NOT Sales Volume by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple *do* know their target markets after all!

    Macrumors is making a claim that is not supported by the data they link to. If you click though to the data all these say is that it has generated more revenue that a random selection of four other laptops.

    Given the prices that Apple charges for these things the revenue per laptop is going to be significantly higher than other manufacturers so there is nothing in the data which indicates they have outsold other machines given that the usual interpretation of that is "sold more units". In fact if you look at the Dell Inspiron 2 in 1 a quick Google search suggests that the price of this is between $330-$1,000 in Canada compared to the cost of a MacBook Pro which is 5-10 times the price (of course this depends a lot on the configurations sold). Hence, in terms of sales volume, the Dell Inspiron 2 in 1 may actually be comparable to the MacBook Pro although it is clearly in an entirely different class given those prices.

    Thus given a cursory inspection of the data it seems that the claim that the MacBook Pro has 'out sold' all other Laptops is completely unfounded. For a start you would need to look at sales volume and then you would need to compare it to laptops similar to the MacBook Pro such as the Dell XPS etc. not the cheapest possible laptops you can find where the low price requires ~5 times or more the sales volume. To support this you'll note the the closest in the data to the MacBook Pro is the Surface Book which is also closest in price.

    1. Re:Revenue NOT Sales Volume by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple *do* know their target markets after all!

      Macrumors is making a claim that is not supported by the data they link to. If you click though to the data all these say is that it has generated more revenue that a random selection of four other laptops. Given the prices that Apple charges for these things the revenue per laptop is going to be significantly higher than other manufacturers so there is nothing in the data which indicates they have outsold other machines given that the usual interpretation of that is "sold more units". In fact if you look at the Dell Inspiron 2 in 1 a quick Google search suggests that the price of this is between $330-$1,000 in Canada compared to the cost of a MacBook Pro which is 5-10 times the price (of course this depends a lot on the configurations sold). Hence, in terms of sales volume, the Dell Inspiron 2 in 1 may actually be comparable to the MacBook Pro although it is clearly in an entirely different class given those prices. Thus given a cursory inspection of the data it seems that the claim that the MacBook Pro has 'out sold' all other Laptops is completely unfounded. For a start you would need to look at sales volume and then you would need to compare it to laptops similar to the MacBook Pro such as the Dell XPS etc. not the cheapest possible laptops you can find where the low price requires ~5 times or more the sales volume. To support this you'll note the the closest in the data to the MacBook Pro is the Surface Book which is also closest in price.

      Apple *do* know their target markets after all!

      Macrumors is making a claim that is not supported by the data they link to. If you click though to the data all these say is that it has generated more revenue that a random selection of four other laptops. Given the prices that Apple charges for these things the revenue per laptop is going to be significantly higher than other manufacturers so there is nothing in the data which indicates they have outsold other machines given that the usual interpretation of that is "sold more units". In fact if you look at the Dell Inspiron 2 in 1 a quick Google search suggests that the price of this is between $330-$1,000 in Canada compared to the cost of a MacBook Pro which is 5-10 times the price (of course this depends a lot on the configurations sold). Hence, in terms of sales volume, the Dell Inspiron 2 in 1 may actually be comparable to the MacBook Pro although it is clearly in an entirely different class given those prices. Thus given a cursory inspection of the data it seems that the claim that the MacBook Pro has 'out sold' all other Laptops is completely unfounded. For a start you would need to look at sales volume and then you would need to compare it to laptops similar to the MacBook Pro such as the Dell XPS etc. not the cheapest possible laptops you can find where the low price requires ~5 times or more the sales volume. To support this you'll note the the closest in the data to the MacBook Pro is the Surface Book which is also closest in price.

      One of the machines compared-with is the new Surface Book, which is DEFINITELY intended as DIRECT competition for the 13" MBP. HOWEVER, When I configured a 13" non-TouchBar MBP (to keep it fair) and the Surface Book with the top i7 CPU (both are Skylake, but the Surface book specs don't specify speed or number of cores), 16 GB RAM, and 1 TB SSD, the MBP was $2599, but the Surface Book was $3199. And the Suface Book has no USB-C, and more importantly, no TB 3 (only MiniDP). IOW, the MBP has 40 Gbps of multifunctional I/O bandwidth, while the Surface Book has 10 Gbps of USB 3.0, plus a DisplayPort.

      And yet, the MacBook Pro was STILL $600 CHEAPER THAN THE SURFACE BOOK!

      In fact, you could get the top-end Touch Bar 13" MBP, co

    2. Re:Revenue NOT Sales Volume by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are is an important point you are missing and in one important aspect your post is factually wrong. This is one machine which is clearly intended as a direct competitor but there are more out there e.g. Dell XPS range which are strangely absent from the comparison. That was my point: so the MBP outsells the Surface Book (but not the new one because that is only out today) what about all the other competitors?

      Your comparison is far from fair. You exclude the touch bar "to keep it fair" while ignoring the fact that the Surface has a touch screen: how is that even vaguely fair? Then you claim that that the 13" MBP has "faster graphics" when it has Intel Iris vs. the Surface's nVidia 965M which is factually wrong. As for the the other features I have never used the TB port on my existing MBP (other than as a miniDP) nor have I any use for USB-C since everything I have is USB-A and a GPU is really important. So for my uses when I compare a MBP to a Surface I'm looking at the 15" model where the cost rockets up to over $4k with the 1TB SSD and over $5k with the 2TB which is insane for a laptop with an old CPU and GPU. While the Surface is similarly expensive it has features I value far more: long battery life, touch screen, USB-A ports and tablet mode. However really I am waiting for the XPS 15 to get a refresh to Kaby Lake and hopefully a 10-series nVidia GPU and then, while I'll miss OS X, it's goodbye Apple.

      Obviously the price difference depends on what you need the device for if USB-C an TB3 are important for you great - go get a new MBP. However no matter how you spin it there is no way you can claim that the MBP fulfills a similar market niche to the Dell Inspiron 2-in-1, a Chromebook or the cheap Lenovo model they were also comparing it against. The data do suggest it outsells the Surface but I suspect the real competitors are the Dell XPS series and the equivalent ranges from the other manufacturers.

    3. Re:Revenue NOT Sales Volume by Maxwell · · Score: 1

      Due to no apps the touch screen on the SP/SB line is nearly. I have the pen, and it's still mostly useless. The pen costs extra, BTW. If I really wanted I guess I could buy a $600 touchscreen monitor and call it even. But why? I would trade touchscreen on my SP3 for a better mousepad in a heart beat - something like in the new MBP would be great.

    4. Re:Revenue NOT Sales Volume by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      There are is an important point you are missing and in one important aspect your post is factually wrong. This is one machine which is clearly intended as a direct competitor but there are more out there e.g. Dell XPS range which are strangely absent from the comparison. That was my point: so the MBP outsells the Surface Book (but not the new one because that is only out today) what about all the other competitors? Your comparison is far from fair. You exclude the touch bar "to keep it fair" while ignoring the fact that the Surface has a touch screen: how is that even vaguely fair?

      I see that you conveniently failed to notice that, later on in my post, I compared the Touch Bar version of the 13" MBP to the Surface Book. The MBP was STILL $300 cheaper.

      Then you claim that that the 13" MBP has "faster graphics" when it has Intel Iris vs. the Surface's nVidia 965M which is factually wrong.

      That was just a badly-worded sentence on my part, sorry. What I meant was that the Touch Bar version of the MBP that I used for my second comparison has Faster Graphics than the non-Touch Bar MBP that I used for my first comparison. Both MBPs have Intel Iris Graphics, just different "models" of it.

      And yes, I would cautiously concede that the ONE place the Surface Book MAY have an advantage over the 13" MBP is in the Display and GPU world. But I would have to see some graphics benchmarks of the various machines to be sure.

      As for the the other features I have never used the TB port on my existing MBP (other than as a miniDP) nor have I any use for USB-C since everything I have is USB-A and a GPU is really important.

      And I would agree for the TB 1 port on my personal mid-2012 non-retina MBP. But times they are a change-in'; and with the fact that USB and TB now share a common connector, and the fact that USB-C/TB 3 is seeing WIDESPREAD adoption (FINALLY!!!) outside of Apple computers, I am fairly certain those "new times" are almost here. So from a "future-proof" standpoint, Apple's decision is a VERY wise one, even if it causes people some adapter requirements for now.

      So for my uses when I compare a MBP to a Surface I'm looking at the 15" model where the cost rockets up to over $4k with the 1TB SSD and over $5k with the 2TB which is insane for a laptop with an old CPU and GPU

      With the prices of the arguably inferior (in terms of I/O and SSD performance at the very least) Surface Book being HIGHER than the roughly-equivalent MBP, do you REALLY think that a theoretical 15" Surface Book would be any LESS expensive than the 15" MBP? Because I don't.

      Oh, and from what I have read, the Nvidia GPUs in the Surface Book (and Surface Studio) is OLDER than the AMD Polaris GPUs in the 15" MBP, and the CPUs are the SAME VINTAGE; so why the hate on the MBP, when they are (just like EVERYBODY) at the mercy of Intel and their "release" schedules? Oh, I know: Because it's cool to hate on Apple on Slashdot...

      . While the Surface is similarly expensive it has features I value far more: long battery life, touch screen, USB-A ports and tablet mode. However really I am waiting for the XPS 15 to get a refresh to Kaby Lake and hopefully a 10-series nVidia GPU and then, while I'll miss OS X, it's goodbye Apple.

      I'm sure Apple will survive. Oh, and enjoy WIndows 10, mwuhahahahaha!!!!

      Obviously the price difference depends on what you need the device for if USB-C an TB3 are important for you great - go get a new MBP. However no matter how you spin it there is no way you can claim that the MBP fulfills a similar market niche to the Dell Inspiron 2-in-1, a Chromebook or the cheap Lenovo model they were also comparing it against. The data do suggest it outsells the Surface but I suspect the real competitors are the Dell XPS series and the equivalent

    5. Re:Revenue NOT Sales Volume by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      I see that you conveniently failed to notice that, later on in my post, I compared the Touch Bar version of the 13" MBP to the Surface Book. The MBP was STILL $300 cheaper.

      Without a GPU. Sounds about right.

      Oh, and from what I have read, the Nvidia GPUs in the Surface Book (and Surface Studio) is OLDER than the AMD Polaris GPUs in the 15" MBP...so why the hate on the MBP

      Indeed they are yet because AMD is well behind nVidia the performance seems comparable - google it - but to get that comparable performance you need the top line Radeon Pro 455 which is even more expensive. As for the 'hate' on the MBP it's simple: crap GPU, old CPU, no USB-A (yes USB-C is the future but USB-A is today and I want a laptop today not in 3 years time), no function keys, insanely high price. Compared to the Surface Book the two seem roughly comparable and it boils down to which features you want most.

      ...but compare it to a Dell XPS 13/15 and you have almost the identical features in a laptop that is a year old and cheaper. You even have USB-C but wisely they give you one port and multiple USB-A so I can use it now and in a few years. If the refresh which is expected in the next month or two gives it a Kaby Lake CPU and and nVidia 10-series mobile GPU it will wipe the floor with the MBP.

      I'm sure Apple will survive. Oh, and enjoy WIndows 10, mwuhahahahaha!!!!

      I'm sure they will but increasingly on their mobile sales and not their macs. As for Windows 10 what can I say - it really does suck in comparison - but with a machine capable of running VMs (32GB memory? not on a MBP!) and even the built in Linux subsystem for Windows it becomes more bearable and much of the software I use is the same on both platforms and for programming and data analysis I use Linux+python+... anyway.

  23. Demand till the end of 2016? by bobm · · Score: 1

    So the demand will be big for 2 more months?

    1. Re:Demand till the end of 2016? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Next quarter we'll have to return all the laptops due to some recall.

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  24. Re:Bbbbbut... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Gotta carry two different cables to charge them though...

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  25. mac pro is made in the usa to bad apple is not kee by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    mac pro is made in the usa to bad apple is not keeping it up to date.

  26. One model versus one platform by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    There have been many more PC laptops shipped then all Apple laptops combined. It's a bit of an Apples to oranges comparison (heh) because Apple's platform only carries a few device models, while the PC platform carries hundreds of models from dozens of vendors.

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    1. Re:One model versus one platform by Maritz · · Score: 1

      This isn't even counting units shipped, but revenue. Against a $350 chromebook and a $700 dell low-end laptop. Talk about picking your fights... lol.

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    2. Re:One model versus one platform by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Margins on chomebooks are just terrible. In B2B it just breaks my heart when a client chooses to manufacture chomebooks.

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  27. I would point at least some of the blame at Win10 by Leslie43 · · Score: 1

    Blah blah blah apple fans, shiny... Or maybe some people were just angry enough with Windows 10 to switch.

    Honestly, I'm not sure how non-tech people deal with it. Actually, I do, they buy Macs.

  28. Ppl rush before numeric row disappears by gnuhost · · Score: 1

    In the newer models

  29. Re: Really.. by thesupraman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes. An article presenting a completely false headline with content based on highly selective methodology so as to reach the conclusion they want.

    What a surprise. The desperation of the apple supporters to rationalise their religion known no bounds.

    But great click bait no doubt. That is all that actually matters.. Right?

  30. Faring well, why do you ask? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Apple Watch sales have been steady and Apple just introduced an update. Apple has already said sales were ahead of expectations....

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    1. Re:Faring well, why do you ask? by Maritz · · Score: 1

      When being down nearly 56% is 'ahead of expectations' there have been some gymnastics about what the 'expectations' were.

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  31. crap article,stupid statistics,idiotic conclusions by l3v1 · · Score: 1

    I'll say that again: crap article, stupid statistics, idiotic conclusions. "And that's all I've got to say about that."

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  32. Stockholm syndrome by cosmin_c · · Score: 1

    illness with most victims in 2016.

  33. and yet by DMJC · · Score: 1

    All I want to know is, what are Razer's year on year sales figures doing? Apple has already peaked their share price. Razer seems to be making nice tech and is an up and comer. I want to see what they're doing.

  34. Re:Bbbbbut... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    No, the Macbook has only USB-C and an analog audio jack. The iPhone 7 has Lightning and no analog audio jack. That way you can ensure that you cannot use any common set of headphones without at least one adapter/dongle in the mix.

    Also you can't connect your apple phone to your apple computer without another separate dongle. So you can charge your laptop with one dongled port, connect your phone with the other and listen to something through the computer. Then what? You're already out of connection on your "pro" computer. Time to go get your iHub for your iDongles so you can do something else with your extremely expensive iTunes/facebook browser.

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  35. Re:Bbbbbut... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    No, the Macbook has only USB-C and an analog audio jack. The iPhone 7 has Lightning and no analog audio jack. That way you can ensure that you cannot use any common set of headphones without at least one adapter/dongle in the mix.

    Also you can't connect your apple phone to your apple computer without another separate dongle. So you can charge your laptop with one dongled port, connect your phone with the other and listen to something through the computer. Then what? You're already out of connection on your "pro" computer. Time to go get your iHub for your iDongles so you can do something else with your extremely expensive iTunes/facebook browser.

    You mean CABLE. I don't think you know what "dongle" means. And yes, you do have to have a USB-C to Lightning cable to charge your iPhone from your new MBP. Fortunately, Apple sells them for $9, of you can find non-MFi ones on Amazon for a few dollars less.

    So now what?

  36. Re:Really.. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 3, Informative

    the new MacBook Pro accumulated more revenue from online orders

    So the most expensicve laptop on the market generated more revenue than cheaper models. And this is news how exactly?

    Most expensive laptop, eh?

    One of the machines compared-with is the new Surface Book, which is DEFINITELY intended as DIRECT competition for the 13" MBP., uses the same Skylake-series CPU, has similar RAM and mass-storage options, and was introduced one day before the new MBP.

    HOWEVER, When I configured a 13" non-TouchBar MBP (to keep it fair) and the Surface Book with the top i7 CPU (both are Skylake, but the Surface book specs don't specify speed or number of cores), 16 GB RAM, and 1 TB SSD, the MBP was $2599, but the Surface Book was $3199. And the Suface Book has no USB-C, and more importantly, no TB 3 (only MiniDP). IOW, the MBP has 40 Gbps of multifunctional I/O bandwidth, while the Surface Book has 10 Gbps of USB 3.0, plus a DisplayPort.

    And yet, the MacBook Pro was STILL $600 CHEAPER THAN THE SURFACE BOOK!

    In fact, you could get the top-end Touch Bar 13" MBP, configured with an even faster i7 CPU, faster 16 GB memory, 1 TB SSD, faster graphics, Touch Bar, and FOUR Multifunction USB-C/TB 3 Ports for $2899, which is STILL $300 CHEAPER THAN THE SURFACE BOOK!

    So please update your meme; it seems to be a bit out-of-touch with FACTS.

  37. Re:Bbbbbut... by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

    So now what? You nailed it, buying a bunch of expensive connectors for everything you own so you can use it with your shiny new computer. Ok, that one might be a straight up cable but are you expecting them to do full cables for everything? Apple are the ones going on dongle this and dongle that. Similar to their software being shit and lacking, oh there's an app for that. You want to connect x device? There's a dongle for that. You'd have to check with them which ones they release as cables and which as dongles and then double a reasonable cost for it, which are currently half price because they realised it's a bit much to ask everyone to replace all the connectors for all their other equipment at the same time because who the fuck thinks 2 usb (or 1 if you need to charge or none if you want to charge and connect another screen, (is that going to be a usb-c to hdmi cable or a dongle?)) is adequate for a "proper computer"? Hubs, dongles and cables for days, anyone who doesn't know which is which sure will do soon, and they'd better start collecting. They could cheap out with amazon but will apple cover them in case of issue? I doubt it.

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  38. Re: Really.. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    A laptop in 2016 that costs £4000 and comes with 16GB of RAM? Sorry, it's overpriced. My current MBP is three years old, so it's now at the point in our normal upgrade cycle where I'd be buying a new one. These are not a compelling upgrade. A 2TB SSD would be nice, but most of what I do is RAM limited and so an upgrade that doesn't increase it is not worth the money. The new model has the same maximum RAM as one from three years ago. That's just embarrassing.

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  39. http://webmax.com.bd/ by Rezaul+Karim+Faruk · · Score: 1

    http://webmax.com.bd/

  40. Re:Bbbbbut... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    So instead you prefer to fart around charging yet another device or looking for that dongle you need need, sorry two dongles you need to listen and charge.

    I can also tell you don't really care about sound quality, because apparently double compressed Bluetooth audio doesn't bother you.

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  41. Re:Really.. by Maritz · · Score: 1

    It's really cool to care this much about a fucking laptop. I also like your tweaks to the spec for 'fairness' lol.

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  42. Re:TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP by Maritz · · Score: 1

    The promise to ban muslims seems to have quietly dropped off his web site. Oh dear.

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  43. Re: TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP by Maritz · · Score: 1

    You are obviously not a true american.

    Fight for the rights of... eeeeeevery maaan...

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  44. Re:Bbbbbut... by Maritz · · Score: 1

    It must be nice not having the option. It'd be plain terrible to just use wireless because you can, as opposed to because you have to, eh?

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  45. Re:Bbbbbut... by Maritz · · Score: 1

    I don't know if it counts as 'caring' but I think it's damn funny that you can't plug lightening headphones into the macbook because it uses the 3.5mm jack.

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  46. Re:MacBook BIGGER Joke by Maritz · · Score: 1

    You added a capitalised 'slurps' and a 'click'. Definitely a much better comment now. Good going bud.

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  47. Re: Really.. by Megol · · Score: 1

    Extremely overpriced. You can get a computer with much more storage, more processing power, more memory, better graphics etc. for 1/2 the price of the Apple device. Yes it will be heavier but IMHO ~200grams isn't much to complain about. Those ~200grams means you can upgrade the storage and memory in the future and that the computer have a cooling system making it possible to actually use the graphics card...

  48. Re:Really.. by bdenton42 · · Score: 1

    You're comparing an Apple and an Orange though, unless you somehow configured the MacBook Pro with a touch screen.

  49. Re:Bbbbbut... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Dawg, I heard you like dongles, so I made a dongle for your dongle!

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  50. Re:Bbbbbut... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Curiously enough, building a Lightning-to-USB C cable is explicitly forbidden in the Apple Accessory Spec (at least up through R26, the last I have, from August 2016). You cannot make such a cable, Apple will not allow it. So - you have one LEGIT source of such cables: Apple. Those clones on Amazon use grey-market MFi chips - better hope they're not reported as grey-market, because use of them can be deactivated via software, leaving you unable to charge.

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  51. Re: Really..not by Maxwell · · Score: 1

    So,what you are saying is you *cant* actually get the Macbook pro for '1/2' the price? Got it.

  52. Re:Really.. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    You're comparing an Apple and an Orange though, unless you somehow configured the MacBook Pro with a touch screen.

    That's right. Touch screens add negative value to a laptop, so a laptop with a touchscreen should indeed be cheaper.

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  53. Re:Really.. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    It's really cool to care this much about a fucking laptop. I also like your tweaks to the spec for 'fairness' lol.

    No "tweaks" to specs. The Surface Book's product page on the MS site simply isn't very specific about a lot of things. I just tried to match CPU, RAM and SSD, since that is all you can config in either laptop.

    How, pray tell, would you have done the comparison to be more "fair", given the available information?

  54. Girlfriend mentioned... by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    ...that the reason she would consider buying a new MacBook (even though she won't due to $$) is because of the latest OS release not being supported on her current MacBook hardware. Like many other things in technology, persuasion through defiance of desire combined with uncertainty of safety (updates generally help with that.....generally) wins some sales. I haven't seen the actual numbers, but I would assume that number is greater than the number of users it convinced to switch platforms. Sort of a "duh" there. Switching platforms taking more time and effort generally ensures income by the manufacturer for simplicity and laziness.

  55. Re:Bbbbbut... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    I don't know if it counts as 'caring' but I think it's damn funny that you can't plug lightening headphones into the macbook because it uses the 3.5mm jack.

    I think it's funny that people whined about Apple removing the 3.5 mm jack on the iPhone, AND whine about KEEPING the 3.5 mm jack on the MBP!!!

  56. Re:Really.. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    You're comparing an Apple and an Orange though, unless you somehow configured the MacBook Pro with a touch screen.

    From what I have heard about MS' touchscreens, most people would gladly trade it for a decent Touchpad.

  57. Re:Really.. by bdenton42 · · Score: 1
    In most cases I would agree but the Surface is not just touch sensitive it has 1024 levels of pressure sensitivity. There are professional artists who actually use it for production work.

    On top of that the screen has 50% more resolution packed in... 6 MP vs 4 MP, so again you are really comparing an Apple to an Orange.

  58. Re:Bbbbbut... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Curiously enough, building a Lightning-to-USB C cable is explicitly forbidden in the Apple Accessory Spec (at least up through R26, the last I have, from August 2016). You cannot make such a cable, Apple will not allow it. So - you have one LEGIT source of such cables: Apple. Those clones on Amazon use grey-market MFi chips - better hope they're not reported as grey-market, because use of them can be deactivated via software, leaving you unable to charge.

    Who cares if there is one "legit" source or twenty? As long as you aren't talking about spec-ing a component in a product-design, "alternate sources" aren't really a big deal.

    There are PLENTY of things in the world, both "tech-y" and not, that are single-source. For example, if you bust the knob on your car's climate control, guess what? You're not going to AutoZone to pick up an aftermarket replacement. If the controller board in your microwave suffers a failure of the Microcontroller, guess what? You'll be buying an OEM replacement of the ENTIRE controller, because it has the all-important CODE in it.

    The moral of the story is: So long as there is ONE source, then WTF is the REAL issue?

  59. Re:Really.. by bdenton42 · · Score: 1

    I have a Surface Pro 3 and haven't had any issues with the touch screen, but of course that is anecdotal. As I mentioned above the Surface Book is really a full fledged drawing tablet with 50% more resolution than the MBP. It is just not a fair comparison.

  60. Let me correct that for you, Slice Intelligence... by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    Slice Intelligence says the new MacBook Pro accumulated more revenue SO FAR, from online orders during its first five days of availability than the Microsoft Surface Book, ASUS Chromebook Flip, Dell Inspiron 2-in-1, and Lenovo Yoga 900, based on e-receipt data from 12,979 online shoppers in the United States.

    If I sell apples and oranges by the street for 8 hours, and I sell 10 apples and 8 oranges in the first 5 minutes, it does not indicate that apples are the winner.

    I'm SURE they don't have any relationship whatsoever.

    I'm gonna look up "Slice Intelligence" and see where they're headquartered and if they have any satellite locations. Ah. Here ya go, and BTW, San Mateo, CA and Cupertino, CA are about 50 miles apart:

    PALO ALTO OFFICE
    Slice
    800 Concar Drive, Floor 5
    San Mateo, CA 94402

    MEDIA
    jaimee@slice.com
    +1 206-390-6637

  61. Re:Really.. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    I have a Surface Pro 3 and haven't had any issues with the touch screen, but of course that is anecdotal. As I mentioned above the Surface Book is really a full fledged drawing tablet with 50% more resolution than the MBP. It is just not a fair comparison.

    And if your life amounts to drawing on your lap, and you can stand Windows 10, it might well be a better choice. But for the other 98% of computer users, the Touchscreen aspect is a "that's cool" feature that hardly, if ever, gets used.

  62. Re:Really.. by bdenton42 · · Score: 1

    Then buy the MBP. If you are not planning on doing any drawing or you do and already have a Wacom to attach to the MBP then obviously the Surface is not for you.

    Just don't pretend that you are comparing two similar machines to show an Apple price advantage because they are not at all similar. The 50% screen resolution difference alone justifies the difference in price.

  63. Re:Really.. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Then buy the MBP. If you are not planning on doing any drawing or you do and already have a Wacom to attach to the MBP then obviously the Surface is not for you. Just don't pretend that you are comparing two similar machines to show an Apple price advantage because they are not at all similar. The 50% screen resolution difference alone justifies the difference in price.

    Really? $600 difference? I think not.

  64. Re:Really.. by bdenton42 · · Score: 1

    Dell charges $350 to go from HD to 4K on the same configuration so $600 for 6K isn't really that out of line. But another item you neglected to mention is that the SB comes with GTX 965M with 2GB dedicated graphics vs the MBP coming with Intel Iris Graphics 540 with shared memory. The GTX benchmarks are over twice the Iris.

    I am not at all saying that the MBP is a bad machine, if it works for you great! But you just can't compare the MBP directly to a SB, they have completely different features.

  65. Re:Really.. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Dell charges $350 to go from HD to 4K on the same configuration so $600 for 6K isn't really that out of line. But another item you neglected to mention is that the SB comes with GTX 965M with 2GB dedicated graphics vs the MBP coming with Intel Iris Graphics 540 with shared memory. The GTX benchmarks are over twice the Iris.

    It's REALLY hard to figure out exactly what's what on the Surface Book, PARTICULARLY with the GPUs.

    It looks like the only one with the GTX 965M w/2 GB video RAM is the one with the "Performance Base", which is yet ANOTHER $100 more ($700 more total) than the non-touchbar MBP config, or $400 more than the touchbar MBP config.

    Since I didn't spec the "Performance Base" model in my comparison, it looks like the i7-equipped model Surface Book has an NVIDIA® GeForce® dGPU with 1GB GDDR5 memory (doesn't say which NVidia GPU). FYI, the i5 model Surface Book has the Intel® HD graphics 520, with presumably shared memory.

    But I will agree: If you spend the extra money on the Surface Book, the Nvidia 965M does whip all over the Iris Graphics 550 as far as benchmarks go.

    But, as you said, if you pop for the top-of-the-line 15" MBP, with the Radeon Pro 455 with 2GB dedicated memory, the story is quite different, with each GPU having its stronger, and weaker, points; but overall, in the same ballpark.

  66. Re: Really.. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Extremely overpriced. You can get a computer with much more storage, more processing power, more memory, better graphics etc. for 1/2 the price of the Apple device.

    Yes. And the MacBook Pro will beat it in real world tests.

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  67. Re:Bbbbbut... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    I used to have a Mac Mini with two video adapters chained. That meant that every so often the weight would get the adapters misaligned somehow and the RGB monitor would turn into an R monitor.

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  68. Re:Really.. by rhyous · · Score: 1

    Did you add in all the dongles and cables you have to buy. Just saying. Remember, it is total cost of ownership. :-)

  69. Re:Really.. by rhyous · · Score: 1

    You haven't really heard anything then.

    Surface Pro 3 owner. I think it is the best computer on the market. Touch screen is phenomenal.

    Yes, Microsoft makes hardware, now, but really,
      - first, if you compare it by hybrid devices running Windows vs Hybrid devices running OS X, instead of comparing by each manufacturers separate hardware, the numbers show how minuscule Apple sales really are. It is great for their company, and quite profitable, but don't confuse that with a significant market share.
      - Second, their Mac Book Pro isn't even a true hybrid cause it has no touch screen -- no the touch bar doesn't count as a touch screen. It is just a laptop. So it really need to compared to laptop sales, not hybrid sales.

  70. Wrong Market by rhyous · · Score: 1

    "Laptops"

    That is a huge problem. The Mac Book Pro is supposed to compete in the Hybrid market. Unfortunately is doesn't compete, at all. Not that Microsoft cares. Apple is just another hardware vendor that requires an Windows license, even it is run in a VM.

    Every MAC users in most businesses has to have a Windows VM. There are rare cases where some people don't have a Windows license running in a VM on their MAC, but those are rare cases.

  71. Re:Really.. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Did you add in all the dongles and cables you have to buy. Just saying. Remember, it is total cost of ownership. :-)

    You're just being ridiculous. And besides, Apple has reduced the price on all that stuff.

  72. Re:Really.. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Surface Pro 3 owner. I think it is the best computer on the market. Touch screen is phenomenal.

    Then what are you doing TROLLING in an Apple-Thread?

    - first, if you compare it by hybrid devices running Windows vs Hybrid devices running OS X, instead of comparing by each manufacturers separate hardware, the numbers show how minuscule Apple sales really are. It is great for their company, and quite profitable, but don't confuse that with a significant market share.

    I didn't make the Comparison-List, that was the "slider.com" or whatever their name was that did the sales-study; nor did I compare the Surface Book to the new MacBook Pro. For that, you need look no farther than Microsoft. It is THEY that have decided to sell the Surface Book as a DIRECT COMPETITOR to the new MacBook Pro. So talk to them...

    Moron.