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Online Bullying Counselling on Increase, Says Childline (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader shares a BBC report:The number of children and young people needing counseling about online bullying has increased by 88 percent over five years, according to a helpline. The NSPCC's Childline service said it counselled more than 4,500 children in the past year compared to about 2,400 in 2011-12. The total number suffering online abuse is thought to be far higher. Some children as young as seven told Childline how they were tormented, abused and scared to go to school. The charity said online trolls caused misery and humiliation for thousands of children. Childline's president Dame Esther Rantzen said the figures should be a wake-up call. "Bullying can wreck young people's lives, especially now that the bullies don't stop at the school gates," she said. Cyber-bullying can follow them home until it becomes a persecution they cannot escape.

157 comments

  1. We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    we should ban free speech so that crybabies can have a safe space. Best start with eliminating all negative stories, including this one.

    1. Re:We should ban free speech by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      It depends on how far the "bullying" goes. Actual threats are not protected speech. Also, putting a stop to bullying does not have to involve law enforcement. If I heard from another parent that my kid was humiliating or insulting another kid online, I would put a stop to it, regardless of whether it is illegal.

      But mostly kids need to learn about the "off" button.

    2. Re:We should ban free speech by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have the right to bear arms. But not the right to shoot people, just because you have a gun.
      The same thing with free speech. Bullying isn't protected by free speech, as it is a form of attack

      --
      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    3. Re:We should ban free speech by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      That post should not have been modded down.

      *There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed.*

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    4. Re:We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we should ban free speech so that crybabies can have a safe space. Best start with eliminating all negative stories, including this one.

      Parent is being sarcastic but has a point. Claims of bullying are being used by the government to press for policies restricting restricting free speech by Christians who think homosexuality is a sin and sane people who think Islam has some awful traditions. Gamergate was able to get ads pulled from Gawker because Sam Biddle had said the magic word "Bullying" and not for the awful behavior of the Crash Override Network. But we can all agree bullying is bad and should be stopped where it happens, right? Twitter and Facebook have hired Helldump veterans, the GNAA, the Bill Waggoner Crew, and Hamas to police online bullying and decide what is bullying or not. The worst bullies work as anti-bullying experts. If you complain about it, they call your family and your employer and say that you are a white supremacist who is harassing women on the internet.

    5. Re:We should ban free speech by PPH · · Score: 1

      That post should not have been modded down.

      Well yes. The sarcasm is obvious. But perhaps the down-mod came from people who recognized it as a snarky comment and seriously think that we should be banning free speech. And this was a comment that should be pushed below the visibility threshold.

      These are scary times that we live in. Today its just mod points. Tomorrow the van will be around to your house.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    6. Re:We should ban free speech by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Oh great. My kid just read your comment and is now trying to shut down my mod{#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER

    7. Re:We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I'm more worried about the offline bullying, frankly:

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/11/14/man-viciously-beaten-chicago-bystanders-scream-he-voted-donald-trump/93787862/

    8. Re:We should ban free speech by unixisc · · Score: 1

      we should ban free speech so that crybabies can have a safe space. Best start with eliminating all negative stories, including this one.

      Like Trump suggested, we should shut down the internet. I look forward to Melania to take care of this problem

    9. Re:We should ban free speech by rwven · · Score: 1

      This is an excellent analogy. I'd mod you insightful if I had any points. Well stated.

    10. Re:We should ban free speech by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

      Words aren't bullets. They have no physical intrinsic power.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    11. Re:We should ban free speech by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think you remember what it was like, internally, to be a kid, or maybe you never experienced being bullied as a kid? Back before the Internet, dealing with bullies only required a little courage, since most bullies are cowards to start with, and standing up to them usually has them back down. Even if they beat you, you stood up to them and that gains the respect of other kids. 'A coward dies a thousand deaths' is the saying, as I remember. In some cases bullies will even respect you if you stand up to them, ending the problem. Since the advent of the Internet, however, courage has more or less become nullified. Online bullies ('trolls') can use anonymizing tactics to multiply their attacks on someone, limited only by the amount of time they want to spend arranging to harass someone, and the target can't really do anything of substance about it. Even staying off the Internet doesn't help because they'll continue to be attacked in absentia, and since it's the Internet, those attacks persist long after they've been posted. This is not as simple a problem to solve as it used to be, when a punch in the nose usually ended the problem once and for all.

    12. Re:We should ban free speech by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      Totally agree, except for a bit like here:

      "when a punch in the nose usually ended the problem once and for all."

      That worked for some bullies, some not. It also worked for some of those being bullied, some not.

      ---

      Overall I think the problem of bullying falls on the adult's who use it to various degrees themselves, and I don't think cutting it out is censoring anymore than preventing physical violence is censoring.

    13. Re:We should ban free speech by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "They have no physical intrinsic power."

      Bullying has physical consequences, and there is a wealth of neurological data to support that.

    14. Re:We should ban free speech by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      But bullying *is* a form of censure

    15. Re:We should ban free speech by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      " If you complain about it, they call your family and your employer and say that you are a white supremacist who is harassing women on the internet."

      So are you saying that shouldn't be stopped?

    16. Re:We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to be taught (conditioned) what the words mean to feel anything. Not so with a bullet passing through your chest.

      I'm posting AC because, fuck the moderators. They're ACs also that can't make an argument.

    17. Re:We should ban free speech by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      I guess you could bully with only emotion and physical body position. I guess a bullet made of jello would cause physical change to your body. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure why bullying being less a physical thing than gun is relevant.

    18. Re:We should ban free speech by PPH · · Score: 1

      But bullying *is* a form of censure

      How so? In person it is to the extent that a bully an exploit your fear of physical violence to affect your behavior. On line, not so much. What is there to be afraid of? It's only ones and zeros and every four-eyed 90 pound weakling can stand up to the best of them.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    19. Re:We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe we could realize that they whole 'no real names on the internet' concept that was so popular in the 90's was far superior, and in more ways than one, to the modern idea of putting your real identity in as many places as possible.

      Say of what you will of things like Reddit, but forums which are big, anonymous, where new identities are free and no one cares who you are, are the right way to go.

    20. Re:We should ban free speech by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Back before the Internet, dealing with bullies only required a little courage

      Nonsense. Victims do not "deserve" to be bullied because they are cowards. "Courage" has little to do with it. Bullies pick on kids that are smaller, younger and weaker. "Standing up to them" may work in the movies, but it almost never works that way in real life, where a punch to a bully often means more torment that ever.

    21. Re:We should ban free speech by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      When you tell your 5 year old not to swear, are you not banning their free speech? My point is there's a movable line and you can't always make clear calls.

      "What is there to be afraid of? It's only ones and zeros and every four-eyed 90 pound weakling can stand up to the best of them."

      One and zeros, and then there's emotion, and the online bullies you also see every day at school, and ...

    22. Re:We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should expect this to get much worse, considering that the iDiots and idiots have just elected an arrogant moronic bully to be president!

    23. Re:We should ban free speech by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Bullying isn't protected by free speech

      Unless it involves specific realistic threats, online "bullying" is protected speech. There is no law against insults and teasing. You have no right to not be offended. If you don't like it, then close the browser tab.

    24. Re:We should ban free speech by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Victims do not "deserve" to be bullied because they are cowards

      I never said that, you're completely reading that into it and corrupting what I'm saying.

      "Standing up to them" may work in the movies, but it almost never works that way in real life

      There is literally no point in going through life as a perpetual victim and every reason to teach kids to stick up for themselves, and you should be ashamed to suggest anything different.

    25. Re:We should ban free speech by PPH · · Score: 1

      and then there's emotion,

      Learn to handle it. You are going to have to deal with it as an adult.

      and the online bullies you also see every day at school

      So what? First rule: We don't tolerate physical violence. Period. So no matter what someone says, it won't go further than words.

      I know. That's not the way the world works today. But that's what we have to change. Not the speech part. Bullies resort to violence? They get expelled and maybe go to prison. School administrators and law enforcement don't enforce a zero tolerance policy? They lose their jobs. Forever.

      School is a safe place where you get to learn these lessons. Because if the bullies don't learn them, when they reach adulthood and try to beat someone, they'll get shot. Suddenly, everyone is equal.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    26. Re:We should ban free speech by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      That worked for some bullies, some not. It also worked for some of those being bullied, some not.

      As I just said to someone else: There's absolutely no reason whatsoever to NOT teach kids to stick up for themselves, and NO reason whatsoever to go through life as a perpetual victim.

    27. Re:We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... not the right to shoot people, just because you have a gun.

      What's the biggest reason for owning a gun? Home defense, not joining a militia. The US does have a "right to kill" attitude around guns in the home. Federal laws don't allow guns for self-defense while some state laws blame the gunshot victim for causing gun violence. Then there's negligent and non-fatal shootings, (eg. Dick Cheney) that rarely result in charges. Try running-over someone with a car and seeing if charges are dropped because you were negligent. The US culture suffers debilitating double standards because of guns.

    28. Re:We should ban free speech by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      When you punch the bully you need to hurt him/her.

      You don't need to win the fight, but you need to hurt the motherfucker.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    29. Re:We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Words have absolutely no power of their own. None. Learn to accept that. The reaction is strictly personal, an internal affair, a conditioned reflex. The pain is self inflicted. Bullets actually hurt and can kill, no matter what. Maybe the simplicity is beyond your comprehension. Don't be a censorship fanboy. We don't need that bullshit.

    30. Re: We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Predators do a math. If doing something will cost them more than the return of doing it nets, they won't do that thing.

      Bullies work the same.

      Source: I was both bullied and a bully in my life.

    31. Re:We should ban free speech by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      There is literally no point in going through life as a perpetual victim and every reason to teach kids to stick up for themselves

      If your kid comes to you for help, the worst thing you can say is "I am not going to do shit to help you, you are on your own, so use violence." That is a terrible life lesson, because real life beyond junior high school is nothing like that.

    32. Re:We should ban free speech by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Back before the Internet, dealing with bullies only required a little courage

      Nonsense. Victims do not "deserve" to be bullied because they are cowards. "Courage" has little to do with it. Bullies pick on kids that are smaller, younger and weaker. "Standing up to them" may work in the movies, but it almost never works that way in real life, where a punch to a bully often means more torment that ever.

      Oddly enough, back in Junior High, the hot trick was finding a larger kid that wouldn't fight you, and harass them. One of those kids was me. My parents had taught me that it took a bigger man to walk away from a fight.

      In the end, however, I got to be a "bigger man" several times each day.

      And the school was no help. Upon reportingg this to the administrators, all I got was a threat of suspension even after noting that I was being hit. So I knew I was in that by myself. So I decided one day that this ends here.

      A nice fall afternoon, and with some extra time at lunch we were allowed outside for 20 minutes.

      Here comes some asshole bully and his friends...

      Fred: "Hey Olsoc! Bill here say you told him I was a fuckin sissy!"

      Me: "Nope"

      Bill: "You calling me a liar Olsoc?"

      Me: You're a fucking liar Bill! What are you going to do about it?"

      Bill was a little surprised, but he had to be tough. So he took a swing and connected. That was the only thing he connected. After a flurry of rage fueled punches, he was on the ground.

      Me: "Who's next?"

      They all walked away, muttering, and I was surrounded by applause. Fortunately, the shop teacher was there, and he took me aside and told me that I wasn't supposed to solve problems with violence, and "Good job, man! Now get to class." Never got turned in, and Mr bully had a hellava shiner all that week. In one of those weird Junior High things, we became friends.

      But the bullying stopped right there and never returned.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    33. Re:We should ban free speech by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You have the right to bear arms. But not the right to shoot people, just because you have a gun. The same thing with free speech. Bullying isn't protected by free speech, as it is a form of attack

      The problem of course, is define bullying. People think that is easy, but there are dozens.

      I owuld define it as an actual physical threat, which is already a actionable matter. Other's define it as calling someone names like idiot or moron. Others define it as disagreement. Others as any unkind behavior.

      Is "Go die in a fire!" bullying? Is "Go step on a Lego" bullying? Is "Jamie, that's the worst idea I've ever heard!" bullying? Is Jamie - don't be stupid!" Bullying? Is " Jamie, I just don't think you belong in our social group" bullying? Is "Jamie - you're a moron!" bullying?

      Children need to be taught to take care of themselves. A child who feels bullied needs to know this stuff.

      As well, I cringe a little bit when we hear the stories about some teenager that commits suicide because of the internet. Did it really happen that way? Children have committed suicide forever, and it might be convenient to blame it on the internet, but unfortunately there was almost certainly something wrong with the poor child long before one of the kids in class called them a name. I had a classmate commit suicide. she was cute as a button, and quite popular. But she was depressed. Another committed suicide because his girlfriend split up with him. Drove his car off a cliff. But at base, he was depressed.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    34. Re:We should ban free speech by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      "They have no physical intrinsic power."

      Bullying has physical consequences, and there is a wealth of neurological data to support that.

      Life itself has physical consequences. I was bullied, with no help from parents or school. Some times you are just in a situation whether you want to be or not. Children should learn that. Instead, we seem to be inculcating them with the idea that there should be no negativity in their life. Like it or not, sometime you gotta grow a set.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    35. Re:We should ban free speech by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 2

      If you don't think people use violence outside of junior high school, then you probably don't get out much.

    36. Re: We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK so we can ban your words then, not taking any "power" from you as you stated..

    37. Re:We should ban free speech by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Bullying isn't protected by free speech

      Unless it involves specific realistic threats, online "bullying" is protected speech. There is no law against insults and teasing. You have no right to not be offended. If you don't like it, then close the browser tab.

      I found the definition https://news.illinois.edu/blog... "The participants, 700 children and 38 teachers, also were provided with a definition of bullying that included physical behaviors such as pushing or hitting, verbal abuse such as saying mean things or calling other people names, and relational aggression, such as excluding a classmate from play.

      Ugh. This is offensive in itself. It reeks of safe spaces where no one can disagree with you, and an exceptionaly tight control of expression.

      Saying mean things? Jeebuz that's weak. That means that a person can be bullied by a different person writing to a different person.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    38. Re:We should ban free speech by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      If you don't think people use violence outside of junior high school, then you probably don't get out much.

      Of course life outside of JHS has violence. That doesn't mean resorting to violence is the "right thing to do". Violence is almost never the correct choice.

      Children that are bullied are the most likely to later be bullies themselves, especially if they see that the system does nothing to protect victims.

    39. Re: We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no right to take my power to say the words. You only have the right to either a verbal response or to ignore them entirely. Those are your options. Whatever censorship plans you can come up with, we will do whatever possible to circumvent them. If you get physical, we will return fire. You shall go down in defeat, you damn nazi!

    40. Re:We should ban free speech by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Right, some things need to be resolved with violence though, and bullying is one of them. If you want to raise your boy to be a pussy that's certainly your prerogative and I respect that it's your choice to make, but you should do the same for other parents who disagree.

    41. Re:We should ban free speech by jandersen · · Score: 1

      we should ban free speech so that crybabies can have a safe space. Best start with eliminating all negative stories, including this one.

      yeah, and we should force "our women" to stay indoors, so "real men" don't get in trouble over rape and other trivial misdemeanors (that was sarcasm, in case anybody thought otherwise).

      Society has to be based on people "getting along", one way or another. This means compromise are necessary; the need of an individual to speak their mind and go about their daily affairs, is important, but so are the rights of other individuals - and when the two come into conflict, a compromise must be found. After all, why should the rights of an immature bully count as more important than the rights of those that are less immature? It is also characteristic of people like you to talk about "Freedom of Speech" in the same breath as you're trying to deny others that freedom - basically, what you say "get the crybabies to shut up", isn't it? The value to society of a bully is a whole lot less than the value of those who take part constructively in the debate.

    42. Re:We should ban free speech by ACE209 · · Score: 1

      No physical power?

      Words are how we physically transport ideas and concepts from one mind to another.

      --
      "we are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."
    43. Re:We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still takes training and conditioning to feel one way or another about them. They can still be ignored. All the power is within the individual hearing or reading them, not the person speaking or writing them. An order to kill is nothing, only the obedience or compliance matters. All the guilt is on the triggerman who takes the money and does the deed. His choice to follow is strictly personal. Censorship is evil and must be defeated at all costs. We must spare no effort. Drop the bomb.

      Sorry, still have to post AC in this thread with all the pro-censorship people running around.

    44. Re:We should ban free speech by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1
      First, can we please remain calm about this subject and not have it turn into the typical Internet shouting match that I seem to see every single day? Not even saying you're doing that, but I am pre-emptively tryingt to prevent that..

      For the record: I don't like violence any more than any other rational adult person does. But I do recognize that sometimes you can't avoid it without the long-term consequences being worse; you shouldn't start fights, but you should finish them.

      Now, then: I'm not saying to tell your kid 'tough luck, deal with it', I'm saying tell your kid 'stand up to {whoever}, and if he insists on getting physical about it, don't back down, take him on'. You counsel your kid on how to defend himself, physically. You tell him 'don't start fights, but if someone starts one with you, you defend yourself with everything you've got'. I can't imagine anything worse for a kid than to be considered a coward by his peers; that's something that follows you around forever, and no kid needs that sort of sabotage in his young life. That's all I'm saying.

    45. Re:We should ban free speech by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      I'd like to point out something else very relevant to this discussion. Bullying of various kinds doesn't stop when your kid becomes and adult. It happens everywhere. What, theoretically, do you think is going to happen to a kid who grew up being told to run away or submit to someone bullying them, when they're an adult and a coworker or even a boss challenges them, and their ingrained response is to become submissive and passive and not rise to the challenge? They get passed over for promotions, they fail to get recognized for good work they do, they get paid less money, they fail to become leaders, and they fail to gain the respect of others. That's no way to go through life, and preventing that from happening begins as a kid, at school, when some other kid bullies you and you learn to stand up to them, and defend yourself (verbally, with actions, and physically if necessary).

    46. Re:We should ban free speech by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      'Violence' isn't necessarily a physical thing, either, it can be verbal, and it can be quietly emotional, too. The same concept applies. If you're taught as a kid to give in to fear and not try to be brave then you'll get dominated just as easily in non-physical ways. This is especially important for girl children, but for boy children, too.

    47. Re:We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason is because standing up for themselves will get them persecuted by the school and authorities. If little Johnny punches his bully little johnny gets tried for assault and the bully keeps picking on him.

    48. Re:We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That worked for some bullies, some not.

      No, since 1966 that has worked on all bullies.
      Its not always 'the nose' but every bully I ever saw only required One counter-punch to change them into a better person.

      The problem today is that the bully doesn't get challenged in any way, so they grow up to be adult bullies.

      It takes an onslaught of penalty to change the behavior of a criminal.
      Those that are not harsh with enforcement in all circumstances merely give permission to be violated by anyone watching.
      Look at the u.s. immigration enforcement as a shining example of this.

    49. Re:We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same school boy story here. I fought back once in junior high and knocked the bully out completely by accident. I then began kicking him on the ground so hard I fractured his arm. I then proceeded to spit and finally pissed all over his face and clothes. All while everyone was watching. [This was after and outside of school.]

      From that point on I was labeled as "fucking crazy ass [mylastname]" and that stuck with me throughout school until graduation. No one ever messed with me again, and I even ended up friends with the original bully. We're not close anymore, but I still see him out from time to time.

    50. Re:We should ban free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like you bear arms so that when someone attacks and tried to kill you, you can defend yourself. So when someone bullies you, defend yourself. Attack them back!

    51. Re:We should ban free speech by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      I guess you either live in Somalia or hangs out with perpetual man-babys. Most of the civilized world condemns violence and very few people get away with bullying adults, mainly because at some point they start throwing lawyers at you. You can try taking away those lawyers, but then they'll just switch over to bullets.

    52. Re:We should ban free speech by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Some bullies can be dealt with without violence.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    53. Re:We should ban free speech by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      When you tell your 5 year old not to swear, are you not banning their free speech? My point is there's a movable line and you can't always make clear calls.

      "So what? First rule: We don't tolerate physical violence. Period. So no matter what someone says, it won't go further than words"

      We don't tolerate physical violence already but that doesn't stop it from happening repeatedly, and emotions are so pervasive and integral to human biology way would you think we can 'turn them off'.

    54. Re:We should ban free speech by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "Life itself has physical consequences. I was bullied, with no help from parents or school. Some times you are just in a situation whether you want to be or not."

      Glad to hear it wasn't as bad for you as it can sometimes get for others

      "we seem to be inculcating them with the idea that there should be no negativity in their life."

      Seem?

    55. Re:We should ban free speech by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      What Anonymous said, and sometimes bullies will react by increasing the harassment, by punch back or worse.

    56. Re: We should ban free speech by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      Not every bully operates in the same fashion, some will simply escalate the violence, you can never tell how much they have invested in hurting others.

    57. Re:We should ban free speech by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      Glad to hear what you saw wasn't as bad as it can sometimes gets for others.

      And I think the problem today is as it's always been, role models like parents and others in authority who use various degrees of bullying themselves.

    58. Re:We should ban free speech by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "Words have absolutely no power of their own."

      Neuro biology says otherwise, we might have latitude in how we respond but that doesn't mean words have no power.

      "The reaction is strictly personal, an internal affair, a conditioned reflex. The pain is self inflicted."

      Again only partly, and in varying degrees depending on genetics. If we weren't a biologically social organisms with brains built in consequence I might agree with you more.

  2. yearst? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That sounds dangerous.

    1. Re:yearst? by aicrules · · Score: 1

      moist years. Moist because of all the tears.

  3. I know the feeling... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    ...I have been bullied on Slashdot many many times! But never again! I won't allow it.

  4. An important study... by aicrules · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An important psychological study may be to determine why younger generation doesn't just "walk away" from the online bullying when there isn't a physical intimidation keeping them from it. I remember my daughter freaking out because she participated in this absolutely weird "ask.fm" where you anonymously ask and answer questions about a person. My first response to seeing what was being said was rage, but then I said to her...just don't go there. Don't ask anonymous questions about yourself...don't answer questions about other people. No one has power over you if you just ignore it. And luckily that was enough and it was no longer a problem. But years go by and kids seem just so attached to their social personas that they can't just walk way. I get into an argument on facebook or whatever and I'll just close it if I get too worked up. And voila I stop thinking about it. But kids don't seem to have that capability and it makes me wonder why not.

    1. Re:An important study... by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When I hear about online bullying, it tends to be more than abusive jerks on random web forums, but rather people the children know in real life who use social media to continue the harassment. It's not quite so easy to say "Don't go on Facebook", but for this kind of bullying, the Internet is simply the most convenient means for a much more expansive kind of bullying.

      The big problem I have is that children basically are not afforded the same protections an adult is. A lot of the bullying I received at school, even the non-physical kind, would likely constitute criminal harassment if it were a group of adults treating another adult that way. But if a kid is the victim and other kids are the perpetrators, it is just brushed off as "kids being kids".

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    2. Re:An important study... by mopower70 · · Score: 0

      God, I wish I had mod points. "Online bullying" is not a thing. When you voluntarily and actively seek out and participate in the behavior, it is not bullying.

    3. Re:An important study... by Calydor · · Score: 3, Informative

      'Actively seek out'

      You mean like checking your email, Facebook comments, or turning on an IM program?

      You have no idea the trouble a bully will go to in order to win, do you? You know how it used to be that the bullied kid would get chased from school until the bullies caught him and beat him up? That is now EVERYWHERE ON THE INTERNET. So yeah, the victim of bullying should just go fully, completely and permanently offline. With the way the internet is used for everything today, you might as well tell him to go kill himself.

      Oh wait. Isn't that part of the bullying, too?

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    4. Re:An important study... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because if you went back 25 years and ask people what they think about today then they would call practically every single person alive a raging homebody nerd! People today live inside computers. Online life is life and younger generations are getting worse about it.

    5. Re:An important study... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      But years go by and kids seem just so attached to their social personas that they can't just walk way.

      But aren't their "personas" increasingly becoming THEM? We all live in a social reality we construct. Kids act one way at school, a different way at church, a different way with close friends, and a different way with parents. Facebook and other online interactions are yet another forum/venue where they construct their own version of themselves -- and it's becoming more prominent in social lives for kids every year. Just "walking away" for some of them would be like abandoning a large part of your social life. If you loved hanging out a bar for years and had dozens of friends there, and suddenly some annoying guy started showing up and harassing you, would you just "walk away" and stop going to the bar? Or would you want to figure out another way and still keep seeing your friends?

      I get into an argument on facebook or whatever and I'll just close it if I get too worked up. And voila I stop thinking about it. But kids don't seem to have that capability and it makes me wonder why not.

      Personally, I couldn't care less about my social "persona" on Facebook (where I'm rarely active and only stay there to keep in touch with a few people who don't seem to know how to use things like email), and I know some other adults who feel the same.

      But I'm pretty sure we're the minority among social media users these days. Most people seem to spend more and more time participating in the social media "rat race," generating "likes" for their posts and showcasing their cool photos of cool activities. Some people may be able to just "close it down" temporarily, but few people I've seen who are on Facebook every day would be willing to just leave it behind completely.

      And for kids whose social reality exists largely in such spaces now, it may be impossible to do so and maintain the kind of connections expected in peer groups. Most online bullying is not anonymous -- it happens among peers in established social settings... it's just those settings have moved online.

    6. Re:An important study... by aicrules · · Score: 1

      I guess it does fall under probably the same type of motivation people have for repeatedly posting those dumb canned comments on popular posts. I've seen the Pawn Star intro as a comment more times than I can count now. And there are dozens of varieties of that post just looking for likes. Why? It doesn't actually go anywhere. There's no prize...do you sit in a circle at school or work comparing your highest like post? I just don't get it. Which is why I'd like to see it studied to understand it better...

    7. Re:An important study... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to remember that it is now *much* harder for children to just "walk away". When you/I were growing up you went home after school and your lines of communication with peers reduced to maybe one phone-line, assuming your parents weren't using it. So you had your time-out space to regroup, talk with adults if you wanted or just hang out in your room and enjoy tv/books/music/programming/gaming/complete silence or whatever. Any bullying was left far behind for the night. And that's not even mentioning holidays where you got months where contact with peers was entirely voluntary.

      I pity kids today because it has become normalized to be "on" and exposed to your peer group 24/7. Your lines of communication are endless and, it is assumed, always open. Even if you do log out your peers are still all talking to one another and potentially spreading who knows what about their victims, rather than isolated for the night. Frankly while many things have improved I'm very glad I wasn't forced to grow up under those sort of conditions.

    8. Re:An important study... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Precisely. Random trolling, bullying and harassment by strangers on for example forums is mildly irritating. Constant harassment and bullying by peers who you have to deal with every single day at school that follows you around all of the various social media to abuse and humiliate you in front of your friends and associates is another thing entirely, particularly when so many adults will just brush it off as "kids being kids" (if they see it at all).

    9. Re:An important study... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't walk away because in many ways that's the major social outlet they have.

    10. Re:An important study... by networkBoy · · Score: 2

      and this is why I so closely proctor my children's use of social media.

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    11. Re:An important study... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol classic victim blaming..

    12. Re:An important study... by sjames · · Score: 1

      It's easy if it's just one place. But how easy is it if it's literally everywhere you go to communicate with friends? When it starts to come in over texts and email as well. Should they become hermits (except that's not allowed, they have to go to school and these days that may include assignments online). Imagine if you try your reasonable adult approach on facebook, but tomorrow when you log back in, the slams are still coming from half a dozen people (who are neither reasonable nor adult). Next week too.

      Are you prepared to change your name and move, severing all ties? They aren't either.

      But beyond that, they cannot because they are not neurologically mature yet. Their amygdala is still more active than the frontal lobes. That maturation typically completes in the mid-20's.

    13. Re:An important study... by sjames · · Score: 1

      By your definition, bullying isn't a thing either. You could always just nail the doors shut and tell the pizza guy to slip it under the door.

    14. Re:An important study... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can use the internet all you wont. Just don't tie your online public presence to your real world identity. That is a bad idea and enables bullies.

    15. Re:An important study... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I so closely proctor my children's use of social media

      Yeah, but what to you gamble in the process?

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    16. Re:An important study... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not logging in works for me...

    17. Re:An important study... by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      How do you walk away from bullies who can trivially replicate their presence on every corner?

    18. Re:An important study... by Calydor · · Score: 1

      ... he said on the internet.

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    19. Re:An important study... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I read that children worry what others are saying about them on social media, so they go there just to find out and then get embroiled in it. If they avoid social media they feel excluded because all their peers are on it, and talk about stuff that they were then not involved in or haven't seen. There is some Fear Of Missing Out (FOMO) in there too.

      It's tricky to handle because children develop at different speeds. Some may not realize how much harm they are doing. Kids make mistakes too, so zero-tolerance lifetime bans and so forth are not a good way to handle bad behaviour. What it really needs is a lot of adult oversight, which is both labour intensive and potentially a nasty invasion of privacy.

      I've heard proposals to make children use more public sites with no anonymous access etc, but of course this being the internet you will never get all sites and apps to comply.

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    20. Re:An important study... by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      An important psychological study may be to determine why younger generation doesn't just "walk away" from the online bullying when there isn't a physical intimidation keeping them from it.

      Like me, I'm assuming you're old enough to remember when "socializing online" was primarily done by IRC and BBS...things that 95% of kids then and 99.8% kids today wouldn't be able to figure out. Those dedicated to clearing that bar tended to be smart enough to have already learned "words are words", so even when we did have mean things written to us, we generally had the sense to ignore it. Additionally, the name 'voyager529' is about 20 years old, and although *now* it's pretty simple to figure out my real name, it was far more difficult in a pre-Google, pre-Facebook world. Social Media has so normalized the lack of a pseudonym that having a creative or whimsical e-mail name is considered "juvenile" or "from the 90's" - even places that don't require it live in a world where the concept of an online/offline disconnect is a relic of a bygone era. What you remember dealing with and what the younger generation actually deals with are two very different levels of online interaction.

      I remember my daughter freaking out because she participated in this absolutely weird "ask.fm" where you anonymously ask and answer questions about a person. My first response to seeing what was being said was rage, but then I said to her...just don't go there. Don't ask anonymous questions about yourself...don't answer questions about other people. No one has power over you if you just ignore it. And luckily that was enough and it was no longer a problem.

      It is amazing what adolescents will do in the name of peer pressure. Again, by virtue of you being a Slashdotter, I'll wager that there was a point in your life when you more-or-less had a choice between "pursuing your technical aptitude" and "pursuing high social status", and coming to terms with the fact that they were mutually exclusive and choosing the former. Again, with no technical barrier to internet-based things, use of the internet to achieve or retain high social standing is going to happen.

      But years go by and kids seem just so attached to their social personas that they can't just walk way.

      In a world where kids can't play outside or meet at the arcade or the soda fountain because they barely exist..and if they do, kids can't go without their parents needing to know exactly where they are and where and when they're returning, and providing transportation in either direction. Staying inside and curating one's online persona is basically an extension of who they are, because staying inside and playing with iPads and Playstations is the only "safe" thing left to do. Walking away from online communication is basically walking away from communicating with peers at all, and that's about the worst thing possible for adolescence.

      I get into an argument on facebook or whatever and I'll just close it if I get too worked up. And voila I stop thinking about it. But kids don't seem to have that capability and it makes me wonder why not.

      Because you're a grown-up. You're a parent. You are a digital immigrant, not a digital native. You've matured enough to say, "sucks to be that moron!" and move on with your life - you've got 1,001 other things to do that getting worked up and running a fool's errand to sustain an argument on a forum somewhere gets to a point where it's clearly a waste of time. Meanwhile, kids who are bullied online are stuck trying to argue their way into social acceptance, or out of having their peers turn on them. You're well beyond the stage in your life where that's a problem, and I'm certain that if ten people unfriended you on Facebook, it would have approximately the same affect on you as ten people /quitting an IRC room - you've got plenty of other things that contribute to self-worth. When self-worth is t

    21. Re:An important study... by aicrules · · Score: 1

      I guess it's partially because IRC/BBS weren't as prevalent then because I absolutely got into e-wars in my youth and had no problem just walking away from them. Part of why I want it to be truly studied is to see what will snap them out of it. My aforementioned daughter finally just grew up, but I can still see her get caught up in a group chat or facebook post in a way that I wish she didn't feel compelled to. I mean she got a concussion from sports and was told by the doctor she needed sleep and to not be on her phone so much. Then she'd be snapchatting at 1:30am on a school night and I'm like "and then you complain to me that you're still having symptoms?" It's gotta be akin to drug addiction.

    22. Re:An important study... by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      I guess my point was that back then, you *had* somewhere else to go, and your online persona in the IRC rooms wasn't as nearly a big a part of social circles as it is now. If you didn't log into your IRC room, that was one social circle with whom you didn't interact. Now, *all* the social circles are there, so "walking away" is walking away from everyone. Is it a drug addiction? Well, solitary confinement is a worst-of-the-worst punishment in prisons for a reason, and it is effective on people who have never logged into Facebook...so I would file it somewhere between "unhealthy obsession" and "implementation of core human need".

    23. Re:An important study... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Look, it took me about fifty years to learn to ignore people who said bad things about me. I may be slow in that direction, but there's no way I'm blaming a kid for not having learned that yet.

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  5. Why can't we just remove kids from the internet? by GungaDan · · Score: 0

    This would all be so much better if we didn't have to always hear Helen Lovejoy worrying "who will think of the children?".

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  6. Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...are children young as seven 'running around' the Internet and getting into situations where they're exposed to trolling? I'm sorry, but this sounds a lot like something parents need to deal with vs. something like Childline. From TFA:

    "My parents don't realise how upset it's making me and they tell me to stand up for myself or just not play anymore but they don't know how hard that is."

    How about parents STOPPING their seven (or 10 or 12) year old kid from playing the game if it's causing this much distress, vs. 'just telling them to stop' ? Be the parent for Christ's sake. If that means being 'tough' and taking away the game that's causing your kid to angst, do it.

    1. Re:Why... by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      Yeah but that doesn't work for everyone, how many parents are bullies, to various degrees, themselves

    2. Re:Why... by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      Block the offending websites with your router.

      Kids can survive without Facebook and similar shit.

      If they keep taking it so seriously, just screen it from the network at the home or buy them a fuggin; flip phone without the smarts.

  7. In what way will not you allow it? by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    It's not possible "not to allow" bullying on Slashdot for you personally, it's up to the moderators in aggregate.

    It is possible to reduce the effect of the bullying, either by simply ignoring it or leaving Slashdot in which case it will have little to no effect on you.

    Given the remarkable efficacy of the approach I take to online bullying called "not giving a shit what anyone online thinks about me" I have become essentially immune from even the most caustic comments. I suggest you, and anyone else who ever uses any kind of online contact with other people, employ it. In the past the approach might also have been labeled "Growing a pair", but I bow to todays more modern sensibilities and spirit of inclusion to cover those who have no balls.

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    1. Re:In what way will not you allow it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have become essentially immune from even the most caustic comments.

      Shut up you puss-faced little pimpstick!

    2. Re:In what way will not you allow it? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Because I am in my impenetrable Safe Space! And you just got triggered!

  8. Online Bullying Counselling by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

    About as valid as "gay conversion therapy". Chiropractors for the mind. But this is the land of opportunity, so why not?

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    1. Re:Online Bullying Counselling by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      This is the UK, not the USA. They are nuts over there.

    2. Re:Online Bullying Counselling by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Whoops! So sorry. Yes, I agree with that assessment. On the other hand US politics aren't exactly a perfect picture of sanity either.

      Stolen from another site:

      Britain: Brexit is the most shocking thing a country will do this year.

      America: Hold my beer...

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    3. Re:Online Bullying Counselling by Tablizer · · Score: 0

      About as valid as ... [bogus] Chiropractors

      Most of the studies I've seen say that chiropractor success rates are about the same as back specialists with medical degrees. But, more expensive. (Thus, you should try a regular specialist first.)

      However, rather than saying chiropractor visits are effective, it may be saying more about how bad formal doctors are at healing backs.

      I compare chiropracty to analog TV "back in the days" where one had to move their furniture, bodies, and/or the antenna around in odd ways to get a satisfactory signal. One didn't know why a particular arrangement improved the signal, only that it did.

      Trying different treatments on the back is similar. If you fiddle enough and have a knack for fiddling based on experience, you can reduce the pain and stiffness.

      It's an ugly way to solve problems, but good alternatives haven't been invented yet.

      So, cut chiropracty some slack.

    4. Re:Online Bullying Counselling by Altus · · Score: 1

      Dr. Hibbert: modern Medicine has a lousy record of treating the back. We spend too much time on the front.

      Homer: Yeah, there’s some neat stuff in the front.

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    5. Re:Online Bullying Counselling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One didn't know why a particular arrangement improved the signal, only that it did.

      Actually I did know why, and I got a (radiotelephone) license from the FCC to to prove it.

      The bigger mystery is the moderator. Am I being hammered for stating the truth that online bullying is bullshit? Or was it the slam against chiropractors?

      I'll have to post AC from here on out. They're hammering me everywhere on this now. They feel all butt-hurt over the facts.

    6. Re:Online Bullying Counselling by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Moderating of political topics on slashdot is indeed odd. Sometimes I get "-1" saying something on Story X, but saying the same thing on Story Y I get a "3". Go figure.

    7. Re:Online Bullying Counselling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an agenda thing, forum poisoning... Luckily here it has a limited effect. Overall, the Slashdot system is far better than anywhere else, but I'm not going to jump in front of the bus when I know I'm going against the popular opinion of censorship fanboy trolls that this article is meant to feed.

  9. Personal experience by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I was bullied the old-fashioned way when I was in 2nd grade by a tenacious chubby jerk. Most kids join a social clique to help them via numbers, but I was a shy.

    As painful as it was, I have to say it was a useful life lesson. Life is full of jerks and bullies and one MUST learn to deal with them one way or another. I've encountered sociopathic conniving assholes in the office also.

    It's probably unrealistic to try to stop all bullies and trolls. Thus, children need to be taught how to deal with them, whether it's via eastern meditation, counseling, karate or combination. Different solutions may be better for different children.

    Such lesson from my youth also help me to mostly tune out online bullies/trolls, having had a couple of nasty encounters. I just hate the practical aspect of forum text wasted on their repetition of insults and BS. It's comparable to spam on steroids. If they don't get their way, they'll try sink the entire ship via repetition and clutter.

  10. Look, snowflakes by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

    I cannot for the life of me understand how it is possible to be bullied online. In my day the bully stole your lunch money, or beat the shit out of you if you refused to give it to him. You learned to stay away from him very quickly. Sad story of bullying over. How is it that we now have a society where children are incapable figuring out how to stay away from bullies.

    1. Re:Look, snowflakes by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Please give some insight on how to stay away from bullies on social media platforms where anyone can just create a new account if they get blocked.

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    2. Re:Look, snowflakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cannot stay away from bullies online because they can follow you everywhere and you cannot stop them from doing so.

      As an example, how would you stop someone from posting the following reply to all the comments you write on Slashdot?
      "OneSmartFellow is a jerk who likes to have sex with inflatable boats."

    3. Re:Look, snowflakes by SpankiMonki · · Score: 1

      THIS. A thousand times this. I can't even get my head around what "online bullying" is supposed to be. Whatever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones, but [words] will never hurt me"? Are people these days really that sensitive? Get real.

    4. Re:Look, snowflakes by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      These days they all get free hot lunch and breakfast and take home dinner nobody wants to steal the made in mexico truck stop food.

      The idiot parents handing a smartphone to a 7 year old because that will shut them up so they can go back to playing on their phones might be the problem. Their lack of parents leads to whining at teachers etc for attention and no ability to cope.

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    5. Re:Look, snowflakes by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Don't let your kids on some BS social media platforms. Block anyone that's not their accepted friends (if that's possible, I don't have FB) if they really "have" to be on there. Talk to your kids and see what they're going through instead of having them resort to calling a stranger on a hotline somewhere.

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    6. Re:Look, snowflakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn off the fucking computer.

    7. Re:Look, snowflakes by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Or let them discover it themselves... remember when facebook was for college kids? I've never shown my facebook page to my kids or even talked about it. Have 15 and 17 yo sons and neither one of them have shown the slightest interest in FB or having an account. Mostly the kids at school like to trade meme or prank videos....

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    8. Re:Look, snowflakes by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      It extends beyond that.
      Even if your child blocks the bully, the bully may be friends of friends and use that position as a (ahem) bully pulpit.
      -nB

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    9. Re:Look, snowflakes by pscottdv · · Score: 1

      One would stop it by not commenting on Slashdot. How hard is that?

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    10. Re:Look, snowflakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really do agree in principle but not in practice.

      Sticks and stones works only up to a point in some cases, especially not when it's unwarranted, and relentless harassment. When someone one is legit hounding you in real life you can at least punch that person in the face. On the web, there is no sense of justice if you get shat on relentlessly by an individual, even if you block them.

      Not saying your wrong, but that's the reality of it. You're going to stew about it and be upset, at least for a few days.

    11. Re: Look, snowflakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      never been bullied physically. in grade school before i new anyone and a new city i ran into a couple kids that made fun of me i just made a comeback nothing much after that i had a few friends at that school but not popular or known really outside small group of friends. i was not out going but i wouldnt say shy. not sure if thats bullying but it seems to be what it means by online bullying though it seems to be persistent or something but i think that would be called online stalking or something.

    12. Re:Look, snowflakes by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      I'm probably a little younger than you, and I had the same opinion about social media in general. But what I found, is that even as an adult, I needed it, as it's one of the primary ways to stay in touch with my friends.

      It's not so much that you've got enough old school grit that you don't need new fancy technology when you can just dial a number from memory to ask when you can come over to play poker, it's the fact that all of your friends are online too, and they all communicate mostly on this platform. An announcement of a party will happen there. Nobody will call you and you'll miss out.

      And for a lot of kids, especially the shy ones, this might be the bulk of their interaction with their friends and other students. And now, a bully (or multiple) comes along, and forces them to potentially abandon them all. They can create all of the accounts they want, the bully will know it's their target if they try to link with their friends again on a social media platform.

      Without that social media platform, you run the risk of gradually losing touch with your group, and potentially losing the opportunities to hang out with them. This has happened to me as an adult, so I know it's happened to kids.

      I guess my point is, retreating from social media is how the bully wins. It's not the solution to the problem, it's just giving in to the wishes of the belligerent personality... and if they're really determined, they can keep going. The can still text you, leave harassing messages, and follow you home to beat you up.

      But now that I think about it... the solution does seem pretty simple. If your child is being bullied, give them permission to fight back physically. They're still kids, and while he or she might be suspended or expelled, their lives won't be ruined. Let them know they can throw some punches and not get into trouble with you, and the problem might stop right there.

    13. Re:Look, snowflakes by sjames · · Score: 1

      Imagine if the bully from your day was free to walk into your bedroom and continue the bullying and your dad was powerless to beat his butt.

    14. Re:Look, snowflakes by sjames · · Score: 1
    15. Re:Look, snowflakes by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a perfect scenario to use a white list.

      I white list hanging out with my friends. No one sits down and goes "Hey, guys, want to hang out at the KKK rally tonight?". No. Because assholes and bullies hang out there so we go somewhere else.

      People are having a hard time accepting that facebook is full of assholes and bullies. Find stories on either side of the aisle and read the comments. It's a cesspool.

      You know how a bully can make new accounts? So can you.

      Hell you can make your own platform now with a VPS.

    16. Re:Look, snowflakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talk to your kids about bullying, and tell them to do this if they are bullied online: send a screen shot of the bully post showing who sent it even if anonymous to you and also their principal and teacher if they have their email addresses. Keep on sending screen shots of all the threats. Then it is documented and tangible. Maybe the identify of the perps will be discovered in the future. Screen shots of threats of physical violence also send to local cops. The parent can contact the principal and say that your child is being harassed probably by another student and that you hope it can be resolved without needing to "contact the authorities". You also will have plenty of screen shots to send to your local press if nothing is done in a reasonable time period. A stack of evidence this tall cannot be ignored.

    17. Re:Look, snowflakes by guruevi · · Score: 1

      So block the bullies. Bullies aren't "friends". People that pass through messages from bullies aren't "friends" either.

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    18. Re:Look, snowflakes by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      Most of the "bullying" that I remember from childhood was not physical, but psychological.

      Sometimes things got physical but nobody was stealing other kid's lunch money. That's as cartoonish to me as the anecdote about how the kid that always got picked on learned to stand up for himself and one day he beat the hell out of the bully and sent him home crying and nobody ever messed with that kid ever again.

      Didn't Opie do that once on the Andy Griffith show? (Yes, he did - the bully's name was Sheldon and he was taking Opie's nickel for milk every day. So one day after talking to Andy about it Opie "lit into him like a windmill in a tornado"). I seem to recall there being a similar Leave it to Beaver episode too.

      If only real life were like those old black and white TV shows.

      Instead I suspect Facebook is a big thing in the social world of today's kid. They'll talk about it at school and if you're not on it you're isolated. You're not cool if you don't get any likes and you become excluded and ostracized.

      It's the things that the collective group will say and not just online. Remember, these kids see each other 5 days a week in school. They can avoid FB, but that's more like the bullies keeping you away from what all the cool kids are doing.

      Or if not FB whatever kids are into these days. Imagine some kid hears about the latest social media fad at school and goes home and sets up a new profile eager to join in on the fun and immediately he or she is assaulted by the same people who forced them off Facebook.

    19. Re:Look, snowflakes by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      Ever hear of a "telephone"?

      If that's too primitive, perhaps email?

      Life exists without Facebook and similar crap.

    20. Re:Look, snowflakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine if you had a point.

    21. Re:Look, snowflakes by sjames · · Score: 1

      You're not fooling me. You're one of those freaks that likes getting their butt beat. I'm not playing your game.

    22. Re:Look, snowflakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones, but [words] will never hurt me"?

      It’s one of the biggest lies we tell our children; always has been. Broken bones will heal in a few weeks, but the psychological scars from persistent verbal abuse can last a lifetime — or drastically shorten one.

    23. Re:Look, snowflakes by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

      I absolutely had my lunch money taken from me in 7th grade (first year of junior high school in a 7-9 school), by a ass-hat 9th grader who was at least a foot taller than me and already had a beard. I was totally non-violent, and didn't really understand how to stand up for myself. After having my lunch money taken from me at least three days in a row, I stood up for myself, and got my ass kicked, but that was the last time that shit-head took my money. Apparently just the act of defiance was enough to deter him. He picked on other kids after that, but left me alone. Real story, not cartoonish at all. That's how things really were in my dingy little upstate New York town in the 70s.

      Did that experience change me ? absolutely !
      Scar me for life ? No.

      It was just another of life's lessons that every boy learned in those days. I am inclined to say, that's part of what's wrong in America today. Too many kids don't get real world lessons. They grow up so over-protected that when the most insignificant thing happens to them, they are mortally anquished, and need to run away to their "safe space" or some other bullshit, instead of learning that life is tough, sucking it up and getting on with it.

    24. Re:Look, snowflakes by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      It's not hard, as an adult who participates in multiple online communities. As a child, where there was only one online community that you felt that you belonged in, stopping posting on Slashdot would mean giving up most of your online social interaction. The bully has basically won if you do this.

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    25. Re:Look, snowflakes by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

      the psychological scars from persistent verbal abuse can last a lifetime

      I don't think any rational person would disagree with this statement, however, a some bullying is not the same as a parent, or sibling engaging in years and years of daily verbal abuse. The first (bullying) is just a fact of life. The second is child abuse.

    26. Re:Look, snowflakes by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      If you're asking that, I don't think you read my post. My reply is basically a rebuttal of that mindset. True: Life exists without "Facebook and similar crap" - but when it comes down to it, if your friends are on it, and you're not, you will be out of the loop and miss out. This is more of an issue with kids, but even as an adult I've missed some fun opportunities to hang out with friends and family by not checking in enough.

      As an adult that's okay to do though. I totally understand the desire to be left alone, I really do, and I still take breaks from FB. Kids are more dependent on their friends though. They need friends to build up their self-worth, especially the kids that tend to be targets for bullies. It's all they have until they get a job and a family of their own. I'm just trying to illustrate it in a way that might help someone understand that it's not just about a bunch of "bratty snowflake SJWs-in-the-making who want to ruin the internet for everyone else"... or anything overly dramatic like that.

    27. Re:Look, snowflakes by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and Twitter's kinda got the right idea with the new filtering options. People on this site are thinking it's all about censorship, but it's really not - so long as your last sentence there remains true there's no way a social media/silicon valley company can silence you.

    28. Re:Look, snowflakes by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. I'll keep it in mind!

    29. Re:Look, snowflakes by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Since you obviously don't understand the problem (for example, you don't have a Facebook account), why do you insist on your own solution? How are you supposed to talk honestly with your kids if you're going to arbitrarily make decisions for them?

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    30. Re:Look, snowflakes by guruevi · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't have kids. You don't let kids make decisions they are not equipped to handle the consequences for. Most sites have an age limit and most kids can't handle unsupervised conversations with random adults which is what social media sites are. What parents let their kid go to a bar or any sort of adult forum by themselves every night?

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    31. Re:Look, snowflakes by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      My son seems to have turned out well, thank you.

      You're spouting off generalities as if they were always good advice, and making assumptions about things you don't know about. Children have to be allowed to make mistakes, or they're not going to learn. Children also should be allowed to fit into their social circle. Internet forums are physically a lot safer than physical ones.

      And you have not addressed the question of talking to your kids: if one of your kids brings a problem to you, and you make a decision the kid doesn't like without understanding the situation first, your kids are going to be slower to bring problems to you.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    32. Re:Look, snowflakes by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Well go and play outside already. You might get kidnapped by Romanian peadiofiddlerists or stabbed by check-clad chavs but hey - no risk, no fun!

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  11. A new time interval? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So...'yearst' like 'first'?

  12. Scared To Go To School? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some children as young as seven told Childline how they were tormented, abused and scared to go to school.

    Just watching the freaking news is likely to make some people feel that way. Maybe the government should start censoring the press?

  13. You can't stop bullying by HBI · · Score: 1

    I don't know why everyone is so eager to shove this behavior underground. Then you'll have mystery suicides and wonder why.

    In this case, 'zero tolerance' policies and the predictive miss of Trump's win last week have a lot in common.

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    HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
    1. Re: You can't stop bullying by thundercattt · · Score: 1

      Zero tolerance is just a buzz word. I actually ran into this with my toddler. Being bullied by an autistic kid. School didn't help.Well, they're autistic so get out of jail free card. Then I got a call a week later when my toddler threw sand I'm the kids face and hoofed them in the shims. All I said was problem solved.

    2. Re: You can't stop bullying by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      Heh, heh.

      All I can say is "well done" little one.

      School of hard knocks is has a good teacher. Your kid is one of them.

  14. Child development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to divorce SJW whining from discussion of bullying school age children.

    This is about minors being harrassed. At those ages a child's brain is still underdeveloped and emotional abuse levels that an adult could brush off are damaging to them for the same reason that an adult is less likely to have their arm or face bones break in response to physical abuse levels that would very probably break a child's bones.

    If developmental psychology isn't something you 'get' maybe a geekier explanation is in order. Think of this like training a neural net ... train it wrong a few times and it can be fixed, but train it wrong year after year and it gets set in a broken mold from which there may be no recovery. That's why persistent and pervasive bullying of today is so much worse than the intermittent and partially escapable bullying of the past.

    1. Re:Child development by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Learning to deal with bullies is vital training.

      You don't remember much about school if you think it used to be 'intermittent and partially escapable'. It hasn't changed, it has just moved.

      Of course some people learn to deal with it all wrong and grow up to be SJWs. Getting kids to stand up for themselves prevents this. Not going to go through life as victims (and they always will be).

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  15. obvious solution: by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    let kids participate in the purge! ;)

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    Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
  16. There's a fix by russotto · · Score: 1

    The new TUFN UP plan will eliminate the need for counseling for cyberbullying entirely.

  17. This is important by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    If our children don't get online bully counselling, how will they ever get good at it?

  18. Because kids are not miniature adults ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because kids are not miniature adults and do not have the same experience, maturity, and coping skills that adults have. In fact these continue to improve for most people into late adulthood.

    Also neuroscience has increasingly shown that our brains continue to develop into our mid to late twenties, and that the brain is far more plastic and regenerative than was thought even ten years ago.

    Also, as others have pointed out, online presence is far more pervasive and central to daily life than even five years ago.

  19. Me as a counselor by thundercattt · · Score: 1

    They're bullying you online? There is this neat feature called "block". You can do it on Facebook, email, and there is even an app for those pesky texts. That'll be $200 plz.

  20. **Irresponsible reporting*** by Master+Moose · · Score: 1

    Where was the trigger warning that this story and the comments within may offend my sensibilities by being exposed to attitudes and ideas that are inconsistent with my own?

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  21. Bullying is perfectly acceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hasn't anybody been paying attention? Bullying is now condoned and encouraged. It might even get you elected president someday!

  22. See, violence works! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And people say violence never solves anything.

    1. Re:See, violence works! by HornWumpus · · Score: 3

      If violence doesn't solve your problem, you just aren't using enough of it.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:See, violence works! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Suppose you have a problem, and use violent regular expressions....

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  23. Dear Parents, by b783719 · · Score: 1

    Stop giving your under 12 year old children internet access that early.

    It doesn't make any sense for "children as young as seven..." to access internet chat and runs back to mommy for being bullied when they don't even know the difference between an online game vs an offline game (you sure it wasn't Wario bullying you?).

    If you really want your kids to have an iPhone or whatever to access internet, be damn if they dropped it but at least limit the websites to only a few. If they learn to unblock other websites, then it's on their own.

    This just tells me an increase of "88 percent over five years" of incompetence parents dealing with kids.

  24. Improvement by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Cyberbullying is an improvement over IRL bullying, where only the strong and/or popular could bully the weak.

    Now anyone can cyberbully anyone, because on the Internet, nobody knows you are a dog!

  25. Help me, help me!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been aggressed!!! This man said he'[s stronger than me, then opened the pickle jar!!!! Aiieeee!!!!