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Apple Launches 'Touch Disease' Repair Program For iPhone 6 Plus (macrumors.com)

Apple has ignored one of the biggest problems plaguing iPhone 6 Plus devices -- until now. The company today launched a new "Touch Disease" repair program for the iPhone 6 Plus, finally addressing complaints about a hardware defect that causes the display of the devices to become unresponsive to touch, or less responsive overall. If you have an iPhone 6 Plus that is affected by this defect, you will be able to have your device fixed for a service price of $149. You will be reimbursed by Apple if you paid more than $149 to have your device fixed before the repair program was implemented. MacRumors provides some extra details: Complaints about the iPhone 6 Plus touchscreen issue started in August, after iFixit published a video highlighting the bug and dubbed it "Touch Disease." Touch Disease presents as a gray flickering bar at the top of the screen and a display that becomes unresponsive or less responsive to touch. The problem is believed to be caused by the touchscreen controller chips soldered to the logic board of the phone, making repairs difficult. Third-party repair outlets speculated that the issue could be linked to the same structural design flaw that caused the major "Bendgate" controversy, and Apple's suggestion that it is caused by repeated physical damage seems to confirm that. Customers who have an iPhone 6 Plus with Multi-Touch issues can visit an Apple Authorized Service Provider or an Apple retail store to see if they qualify for the $149 repair fee.

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  1. I typed t into Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You know it's bad when you type "t" into Google and it starts showing you results related to touch disease.

    1. Re:I typed t into Google by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      I get nearly the same list, but with Target at the top. Maybe that's the default for the letter T.

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    2. Re:I typed t into Google by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      I got:

      target
      trump
      translate
      twitter
      toys r us
      thesaurus
      ticketmaster
      trivago
      taco bell
      tumblr

      Damn, now I want Taco Bell

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    3. Re:I typed t into Google by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mine just says:

      tits
      tiny tits
      terrific tiny tits
      teenage tits
      tiny teenage tits ...

      So obviously it is based on your (my) search history.

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    4. Re:I typed t into Google by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Testing that with "b":

      bazongas
      big bazongas
      big bazonga bingo

      Yup, now it's personalized...
      The "t" thing made no sense as I'd never searched the for the type of results I got.

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  2. Pay to fix a defect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Paying to fix a defect?? and $150 USD to boot? That's more than many android phones...

    1. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by msauve · · Score: 1

      You're touching it wrong.

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    2. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by lucm · · Score: 1

      I had to pay additional $20 to some shady eBay shop to unlock it...

      So you're one of those people who buy stolen phones? Obviously nobody ever stole yours or you'd have a different attitude toward this business model.

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    3. Re: Pay to fix a defect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      depends on what they mean by unlock. normally it means you can take it to any carrier otherwise its locked to its original. thats how i took their post. personally i only by unlocked.

    4. Re: Pay to fix a defect? by lucm · · Score: 1

      depends on what they mean by unlock. normally it means you can take it to any carrier otherwise its locked to its original. thats how i took their post. personally i only by unlocked.

      Good point. I apologize for assuming the worst.

      Someone stole my phone recently and I found it for sale with the mention "needs unlocking" on a classified ads website two days later, so I'm biased at the moment.

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    5. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      fuck apple!

      they design it with flaws and then, after a long time denying it, decide to CHARGE you to fix THEIR error.

      apple - go fuck yourself. this is the kind of thing that stops me from ever considering apple junk.

      they used to be a good company. past tense.

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    6. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Can you name a company without flaws?

      Tech related or not.

      Or maybe you just need a little medicine.

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    7. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

      Paying to fix a defect?? and $150 USD to boot? That's more than many android phones...

      It will be interesting to see what happens if Apple try to charge to fix in the EU. Here there is a 2 year guarantee on faulty goods under EU law. Thus Apple have to repair at their own cost. I suspect that they will wiggle hard to try to avoid their responsibility; maybe time to lay in some popcorn.

    8. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      so it was either stolen or carrier locked? paying 150 for a stolen phone is a sucker move.

      then again iPhone 5S was selling new for like 220 bucks this summer so...

      yes apple was still shipping and selling iPhone 5S this summer.

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    9. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Since this is clearly a design defect, the law in the EU requires Apple to fix it for free for the first two years minimum. After that it is down to each individual country, but in the UK for example you might reasonably expect a high end smartphone to last five years, so you would be due either a 3/5ths refund or a heavily subsidised repair as the legal minimum. The retailer is responsible for this, so if you bought it from Amazon or whatever you need to talk to them.

      Anyone in the UK with this issue should probably mention the Sale of Goods Act if Apple tries to make them pay to fix this design flaw.

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    10. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Here, buy this really expensive thing we make, it just works. Oh it's stopped working? A hundred and fiddy bucks please. We'll make it just work again, designed in California dontchaknow.

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    11. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Can you name a company without flaws?

      Tech related or not.

      Or maybe you just need a little medicine.

      So because no company is without flaws it's ok for apple to ignore an issue for years only to come out and acknowledge it's an issue with their design and then charge you a not insignificant sum to fix it?

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    12. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Microsoft replaced my Xbox 360 out of warranty for free twice. While inconvenient that the Xbox was a piece of crap hardware-wise, their response was great. They even provided the box and paid shipping both ways. For consumer electronics, Phillips has replaced all sorts of things for me for free without receipt. Duracell gave me money for a new flashlight and a coupon for a free battery package when one of their batteries swelled inside the light and couldn't be removed. So there aren't companies without flaws, but how they handle them can be very different.

    13. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Paying to fix a defect?? and $150 USD to boot?

      New to Apple, eh?

      Apple may have conceded the problem, but their statement has been very carefully worded to avoid even implying any responsibility on their part for a "defect":-

      Apple has condeded that

      “Some iPhone 6 Plus devices may exhibit display flickering or Multi-Touch issues after being dropped multiple times on a hard surface and then incurring further stress on the device.”

      Note Apple’s careful wording.

      The first bit makes the specific claim that the problem starts off (allegedly) with the phone being “dropped multiple times on a hard surface”. They don’t need to point out that this- we can all agree- would be the user’s responsibility, not something that can be blamed on Apple.

      However– note that they’re not claiming that those clumsy users dropping their phones are sole cause of the problem. Rather, that it’s caused by this “and then incurring further stress on the device.”

      What they don’t actually mention is what that vague “further stress” might specifically consist of!

      The original- and most commonly-believed- theory, that flexing of the iPhone 6’s case leads in turn to bending of the board inside, straining and then breaking the solder connections between that and the Touch IC chips- would certainly fit the definition of “further stress”. However, given the “Bendgate” controversy surrounding the iPhone 6’s case, this would- unlike the phone dropping- be more likely considered to be Apple’s fault and responsibility.

      This is, of course, speculation. However, given how specific and committal they were on the supposed “phone dropping”- that would obviously be the user’s fault- one might ask why a company as careful as Apple would choose to be so vague and nonspecific on those “further stresses” unless they were seeking to avoid admitting- even by implication- that the responsibility lay with them.

      In short, while Apple has admitted to the existence of the problem- that’s as far as it goes. They haven’t even implied- let alone come out and said- that the problem is caused by a design flaw in the iPhone 6, and they’re not offering a free repair service for what many people consider their manufacturing fault.

    14. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      I've had Apple replace parts for me out of warranty too. A screen on an iPhone that I broke myself, and admitted to.

      So, what's the problem?

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    15. Re: Pay to fix a defect? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So you got robbed twice.

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    16. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Odd. That's exactly what my ex-girlfriend has been telling me...

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    17. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Western Digital. MTBF on their drives is above average (but not yet anything to write home about, but if one of their drives croaks, their RMA policy and handling is stellar.

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    18. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But it only happens "if you drop it repeatedly on a hard surface and handle it roughly". Now try to prove you didn't.

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    19. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      In the UK the onus is on the retailer to prove that you damaged it for the first six months. Beyond that, it comes down to a balance of probabilities. In practice, if you get as far as Small Claims Court and the retailer presents no evidence and you show a reasonable condition phone, the balance is clearly in your favour.

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    20. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      In the UK the onus is on the retailer to prove that you damaged it for the first six months. Beyond that, it comes down to a balance of probabilities. In practice, if you get as far as Small Claims Court and the retailer presents no evidence and you show a reasonable condition phone, the balance is clearly in your favour.

      And give it's $150, after small claims court fees, your time and everything else, it would've costed you far more. And that's provided Apple didn't provide evidence.

      I'm sure Apple could easily take a straightedge to the affected phones and find they all have a small bend in them, and find an equal number of them that work fine without a bend, showing it was physically damaged.

    21. Re:Pay to fix a defect? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Small claims court is 30 quid in the UK, and the loser pays. No lawyer required. It's specifically designed to be a low cost, easy way to handle this kind of thing.

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  3. So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by waspleg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did I read that right? I think some class action lawyer cocks are straining at their dress slacks.

    1. Re:So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by msauve · · Score: 2

      I'd be interested to hear from a real lawyer here - warranties are typically time limited, and cover defects in material and workmanship.

      But, the actual defect in design (i.e. "workmanship") is present from day 1, within the warranty period. So, should not the warranty for such defects apply indefinitely, even if they do not manifest until later?

      (I understand that a lawyer could take either side of the argument, money permitting. But, is there any case law in this regard.)

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    2. Re:So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Lawyer here.

      The warranty does not apply indefinitely off the bat. The company has to extend the warranty to cover the specific defect (see the airbag recalls by all major manufacturers as an example). They usually do this because a threat of lawsuit is going to cost more than to repair the defects (if X + Y > Z then we settle). Right now the threat is not large, especially with the iphone 7 out. A lot of people just decided to upgrade. However as waspleg noted, there are lawyers who are salivating at the mouth. This is obviously a design flaw that was mentioned within the first year of the iphone 6 release. If they can get enough people to show they had issues in the first 2 years this can easily become a lawsuit.

      However, if it reaches class action status, anyone who pays the $149 will ultimately get $20 back for being part of the class, the rest of iphone 6 owners will likely get back $5-$10 in the end. Apple will still need to shell out all of the money they should have paid in the beginning to fix the issue, so while it's lose-lose for Apple and the Consumer, it's still a net positive because Apple will be motivated to not do play these shenanigans in the future because not only does it hurt their wallet, it hurts their brand.

       

    3. Re:So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by lucm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, that's a typical lawyer response, meaning it's not a response at all.

      That's because the law is not an exact science, it's usually a matter of opinion, just like accounting or union grievances. Even when "the law is clear" it's usually a gray area, especially torts. Trying to get a formal answer is like asking at what point something stops being hot and starts being cold.

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    4. Re:So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by msauve · · Score: 1

      I asked if there was case law. That's a positive or negative, with bonus points for a citation.

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    5. Re:So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by lucm · · Score: 2

      Even that is a matter of opinion. When you say "as shown in Buster V Keaton..." the other party can simply say "we don't think it applies".

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    6. Re:So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

      ... there are lawyers who are salivating at the mouth ...

      Well, I'm very glad to know that they're not salivating at some other part of their anatomy!

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    7. Re:So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Based on what Apple's saying (which wasn't in the summary), it sounds like they're placing the blame on the customers for dropping the devices onto hard surfaces repeatedly. If what they're suggesting is true, then this service really is a courtesy on their part, since they owe those customers nothing of the sort. If it's false, then it's a way for them to try and appease most people without acknowledging any guilt that might get them in trouble if/when there's a class action suit later.

    8. Re:So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by fred911 · · Score: 1

      You touched on in it a bit but, if it reaches class action status one thing is pretty well guaranteed, the class gets fucked and the attorneys get paid.

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    9. Re:So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by Threni · · Score: 1

      This sort of bullshit is the reason i just can't justify buying more stuff, and more expensive stuff. I make do with an older laptop or phone, and don't buy top of the range ones because as far as i'm concerned there's no legal requirement the stuff will last more than 12 months, and i'm not paying £1000+ for a laptop to a year.

      If I could be sure that I had 6 or 7 years where I could get any manufacturing/design faults fixed quickly for free I'd have no problem but I always get this feeling someone's laughing at me as soon as I click "buy".

    10. Re:So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If what they're suggesting is true, then this service really is a courtesy on their part, since they owe those customers nothing of the sort.

      Maybe in the USA but not necessarily in many parts of the world. Many countries have fitness for service laws and a company can be forced to repair, replace or refund a device that failed to perform as the customer reasonably would expect. Microsoft found this out the hard way with the red-ring of death issue in Australia where in the past the expectation was that a console would reasonably last the life of the generation until the following one is released. When the red-ring issue appeared some 14 year old managed to get the ACCC involved who forced extended warranties to cover the defect as it was unheard of in the industry that a device would just fail before the next generation was released.

      If it could be shown that the iPhone 6 had a substantially lower survival rate from falls than comparable products or even previous / future models of the same line then it can be argued it wasn't "fit for service".

    11. Re:So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by CyberKnet · · Score: 1

      No, that would be Apple every time someone pays to have this repaired.

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    12. Re:So, Apple is charging to fix their design flaw? by lucm · · Score: 1

      like asking at what point something stops being hot and starts being cold

      that's easy, above body temperature = hot, below body temperature = cold

      So if someone sells you a tub of ice cream which is at 80F, you'll agree that it's cold because it's colder than body temperature? If not, at what degree exactly does a tub of ice cream becomes cold?

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  4. $149? WTF? by thesupraman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, you pay them $149 to 'repair' what appears to be a design defect?
    Fantastic customer service! Go Apple...

    1. Re:$149? WTF? by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      Defect? No, it's a disease. Next time be a little more careful where you put that thing.

    2. Re:$149? WTF? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      Please... Apple will need all the money it can get when President Trump slaps a $150 tariff on all smartphones imported into the U.S.

  5. If you're lucky... by DogDude · · Score: 2

    ... Apple will let you pay $150 to fix a manufacturing problem. Kneel down, loyal Apple servants, and offer up your $150 to the Company today!!

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    1. Re:If you're lucky... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It only happens if you have "multiple hard drops and further stress". Much like a baby tiny computers shouldn't be dropped. Calling it "disease" is like saying a guy "got a disease" after jumping to the ground from the 5th floor. That is not a "disease" if he doesn't work right after. That is BRAInlN DAMAGE.. much like this should be called "phone drop damage"

  6. Am I reading this right? by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:

    According to Apple, some iPhone 6 Plus devices may exhibit Multi-Touch issues after "being dropped multiple times on a hard surface," causing damage to the device. Under its repair program, Apple will fix affected iPhone 6 Plus devices for a service price of $149.

    and

    Third-party repair outlets speculated that the issue could be linked to the same structural design flaw that caused the major "Bendgate" controversy, and Apple's suggestion that it is caused by repeated physical damage seems to confirm that.

    So, basically, they're saying it's physical damage, as in, people who stick their phone in their back pocket and sit on it, and/or drop it a lot?

    I'm not sure what to think, is that a design flaw, or user error?

    One thing I think I can conclude is Apple isn't admitting flaw here, cuz if they were, the repair would be free.

    1. Re:Am I reading this right? by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a design flaw. Watch this video, jumps to 2:27

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhJW140kLCY#t=2m27s

    2. Re:Am I reading this right? by phayes · · Score: 1

      If Apple never admits their flaws, then how come I got a Free bumper for my iPhone 4 years back when some were complaining that the glass back was too fragile?

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    3. Re:Am I reading this right? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what to think, is that a design flaw, or user error?

      User error is something that is caused by a completely new technology or device that someone has never seen before. The fact that there was no "touch disease" on the iPhone 5, 4, 3, and isn't a "touch disease" on any competitor phones effectively rules out user error, unless holding that one specific model of phone significantly alters the holder's use and interaction with the device, at which point one would ask "is this fit for service"?

    4. Re:Am I reading this right? by jittles · · Score: 1

      If Apple never admits their flaws, then how come I got a Free bumper for my iPhone 4 years back when some were complaining that the glass back was too fragile?

      That bumper wasn't because the glass was shattering. It was because of antenna gate. Left handed phone users had difficulty making a phone call in areas where there wasn't absolutely perfect reception because the antenna placement would cause your hand to detune the antenna.

    5. Re:Am I reading this right? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what to think, is that a design flaw, or user error?

      I do. It's abnormal wear and tear as a result of user mishandling.

    6. Re:Am I reading this right? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what to think, is that a design flaw, or user error?

      User error is something that is caused by a completely new technology or device that someone has never seen before. The fact that there was no "touch disease" on the iPhone 5, 4, 3, and isn't a "touch disease" on any competitor phones effectively rules out user error, unless holding that one specific model of phone significantly alters the holder's use and interaction with the device, at which point one would ask "is this fit for service"?

      Oh, but there ARE reports of "Touch Disease" on competitors' phones. They just don't have a catchy name like "Touch Disease", so they are harder to Google-for.

      And do we know whether the packaging on the IC(s) responsible has changed between the iPhone 3 through 5, versus the iPhone 6? Specifically, did the earlier chips have "legs" vs. simply "pads" (e.g. PLCC-like, vs. BGA-like)? Because that VASTLY affects how resilient the overall product is to mechanical shock, PCB prep, co-planarity (warpage) of the components and the PCB board and even soldering techniques and solder formulations (I'm looking at you, RoHS).

      tl;dr - There are a BUNCH of factors that are at play, and Apple really only has control over a few of them.

    7. Re:Am I reading this right? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      It requires dropping or sitting on the phone a few times, but it's a design flaw because nearly every other phone on the market can withstand the same forces and more without any problem.

      Wrong. Do a little Googling without your Hater-Goggles on, and you will find reports of the same kinds of failures triggered by customer's dropping (sometimes even once) and flexing (usually by sitting-on) their phones.

    8. Re:Am I reading this right? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Oh, but there ARE reports of "Touch Disease" on competitors' phones.

      Yeah just like there ARE reports of iPhones exploding and catching fire so that makes the Samsung case a non issue too right?

    9. Re:Am I reading this right? by phayes · · Score: 1

      Ah yup, you're right as far as it being for the antenna issue. Thanks for the correction.

      Never saw much of a problem with the iPhone's antenna when holding it 'naked', personally. It took having really clammy hands and a grip like you were the creature from the black lagoon to lose enough signal for it to matter. Applying a bit of clear nail polish to an inch of the frame or any case were enough to never see it.

      Funny enough for a company that never admits it has flaws, the back on my iPhone 4 got a little un clipped after a fall onto a wooden floor.
      It wasn't flush with the frame anymore as you could get a fingernail between the back and the frame. The problem was that this gap was enough to ruin all pictures taken with a flash as it reflected internally on the camera sensor.

      I assume taking it apart and reseating the back would have been enough to fix the problem but when I took it in to Apple they took one look at it, asked if I had a backup and then swapped it for a new phone. As the Genius Bar tech moved my free bumper over to the new phone he said "As it's a new phone you can use the free bumper app to get another free one".

      Oh, yeah, Apple never admits they have flaws all right...

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  7. Class action lawsuit by XSportSeeker · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who don't know, there is already an ongoing class action lawsuit in the works:
    http://bgr.com/2016/08/31/ipho...

    And if you heard something about bendgate or about it being a problem with people who dropped their phones, just know that there has been multiple reported cases of phones that never suffered any physical damages, and that were never put inside tight back pockets and whatnot that also had the defect.

    It usually happens overtime. Solder balls from a specific chip gets loose or cracks, which then causes the issue.

    1. Re:Class action lawsuit by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      For those who don't know, there is already an ongoing class action lawsuit in the works: http://bgr.com/2016/08/31/ipho...

      And if you heard something about bendgate or about it being a problem with people who dropped their phones, just know that there has been multiple reported cases of phones that never suffered any physical damages, and that were never put inside tight back pockets and whatnot that also had the defect.

      It usually happens overtime. Solder balls from a specific chip gets loose or cracks, which then causes the issue.

      Then that is laid SOLELY at the feet of the Contract Manufacturer, or possibly the chip supplier and/or PCB supplier. Those are MANUFACTURING issues. It has NOTHING to do with "Design".

  8. It is an engineering defect. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They dont backfill the BGA chip so it freaking cracks solder balls. They should fix the phones for free.
    Mine started having it, so I did the online trick of a reverse bend and then took it to the apple store for a trade in. got full value because it was perfect looking and functioned perfectly at that moment.

    Now I dont put my 7plus in a pocket at all. a holster or in a jacket inside pocket. no pants pockets ever

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    1. Re:It is an engineering defect. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      Now I dont put my 7plus in a pocket at all. a holster or in a jacket inside pocket. no pants pockets ever

      I tend not to put stress prone flaming things in my pocket when I sit down or do anything else that would tend to flex said object, inducing stress and the potential for flaming pockets. I always cringe when I see someone with a phone in their back pocket as they climb into a car. I can only imagine that sooner or later one or more of those will burst into flames, especially if they are anything with "S7" in the name.

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    2. Re:It is an engineering defect. by inflex · · Score: 1

      Initially we were thinking it was a ball/pad issue, but we've found even with the jobs redone and bracing on the chassis to stiffen up the area, there's still a non-insignificant number of units coming back with the same issue (across multiple shops, not just one). Starting to look a bit more like an issue with either the actual chip itself or the PCB, not to say it definitely isn't a ball issue but it's not clear cut.

      Either way, it's good to see Apple now admit the issue, though the $149 cost is still a bit of a cop-out ( no worries, people who have made a good income with the replacements will continue to do so for a while then ).

    3. Re:It is an engineering defect. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Any phone that I buy, first things I do is get a wallet case for it, as well as a matte screen protector. Which gives it plenty of shielding. And as far as pockets go, since it's my wallet, it goes into my front left pocket, never a back pocket. Keeps it out of those issues

    4. Re:It is an engineering defect. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Initially we were thinking it was a ball/pad issue, but we've found even with the jobs redone and bracing on the chassis to stiffen up the area, there's still a non-insignificant number of units coming back with the same issue (across multiple shops, not just one). Starting to look a bit more like an issue with either the actual chip itself or the PCB, not to say it definitely isn't a ball issue but it's not clear cut.

      Either way, it's good to see Apple now admit the issue, though the $149 cost is still a bit of a cop-out ( no worries, people who have made a good income with the replacements will continue to do so for a while then ).

      Oh, and internal IC wire-bonding issue. That's another possibility, or micro-cracks in PCB traces. Both of them possible. I wonder if it can be traced to particular "lots" of the components and/or PCB?

  9. What a ripoff by kuzb · · Score: 1

    So, a hardware defect they caused is something YOU should be forced to pay them to fix? Fuck Apple.

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    1. Re:What a ripoff by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      It's only a hardware defect in the way that they didn't design the circuit board to bend.

      You wouldn't take the same stance if your Car's manufacturer refused to repair your car under warranty because YOU BENT IT, would you? (You should be answering "no" here.)

    2. Re:What a ripoff by lucm · · Score: 1

      It's only a hardware defect in the way that they didn't design the circuit board to bend.

      You wouldn't take the same stance if your Car's manufacturer refused to repair your car under warranty because YOU BENT IT, would you? (You should be answering "no" here.)

      How do you explain that this only happens with the iPhone? Feel free to make up another irrelevant car analogy if you don't have an answer in you fanboi handbook.

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    3. Re:What a ripoff by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Depends on whether the car bent while you just drove normally around town.

    4. Re:What a ripoff by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Yes, because so many phones easily bend under normal usage to the point where they break. You sir, are an idiot.

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    5. Re:What a ripoff by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Make the damn phone thicker than a sheet of tinfoil and it won't bend any time anyone looks at it oddly. Might even let you put sensible connectors back in.

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    6. Re:What a ripoff by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      It's only a hardware defect in the way that they didn't design the circuit board to bend.

      You wouldn't take the same stance if your Car's manufacturer refused to repair your car under warranty because YOU BENT IT, would you? (You should be answering "no" here.)

      How do you explain that this only happens with the iPhone? Feel free to make up another irrelevant car analogy if you don't have an answer in you fanboi handbook.

      It doesn't. It's just harder to Google other phones with a similar problem, because nobody has given it a catchy, easily-searchable name. But the references are there if you take a few minutes and search.

  10. The needle is gonna' heart by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    The shot in the butt where you keep your wallet will hurt. I guess if you're in the UK it's the jab in the buttocks.

    That's total nonsense. It shouldn't cost even as much as an aspirin in a 500 pill bottle obtained from Walmart.

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  11. 149? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First, starting to be sick about these always ending by 9 numbers? 99.99, 149... Come on Apple, you're expensive enough no to have to be cheap and use that cheap marketing strategy ; do a straight 150 or a 145. Then, reading the summary quickly, I was really expecting the prior-normal cost to be $149, and due to complaints, the repair cost would be either free or way cheaper than that! $149 for a design flaw? Sounds like a (bad) joke.

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  12. Touch Disease Symptoms by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Touch Disease presents as a gray flickering bar at the top of the screen and a display that becomes unresponsive or less responsive to touch

    Does it mean only some 6+ are/will be affected, or, eventually, that all 6+ are to be affected some time in the future?

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    1. Re:Touch Disease Symptoms by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      In normal usage, where the weak case design allows the circuit board to flex, all 6+ phones should eventually fail.

      If you keep your iPhone 6+ in a glass display case or in your office safe, it should not fail.

      But no guarantee.

  13. Re:Small claim court by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    This sounds like a pretty good situation, except, the merchant/manufacturer will probably build the cost of legal challenges into the price of refrigerators purchased by the next group of buyers. The best situation would be for manufacturers to recognize a problem exists and execute a recall to fix problems and pay for that instead of pay for the fix and the court and legal fees. Corporations are in the business of making a profit and should build costs of repairs into the original price of items they sell.

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  14. Simple to fix for $5 by meadow · · Score: 1

    Get an iphone repair kit on ebay for $5. There's a YouTube video on how to open the phone and reseat the chip.

    Very simple

    1. Re:Simple to fix for $5 by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      You can "reseat" a BGA soldered chip? Somehow, I don't think it's that easy. You would probably need to re-flow the solder under it (maybe using a heat-gun) and then reinforce the board so that it doesn't happen again.

    2. Re:Simple to fix for $5 by meadow · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually all he did in the video was put a little piece of electrical tape over the chip which applied enough pressure to fix the issue.

    3. Re:Simple to fix for $5 by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just watched the video. He claims he has some sort of Apple Repair Certification. He also calls the one of the BGA chips a "sensor". Since his repair involves cramming a folded piece of electrical tape up against it, I highly doubt it's a sensor, and thus, highly doubt his qualifications. Sure, his actions may have alleviated the issue from occurring, but I hesitate to call it a repair. Maybe a patch.

    4. Re:Simple to fix for $5 by msauve · · Score: 2

      "Maybe a patch."

      You misspelled "kludge."

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    5. Re:Simple to fix for $5 by mlyle · · Score: 3

      It's an IC performing capacitive touch sensing. It sends waveforms down micro-wires in the screen assembly and measures phase shifts and magnitudes to detect touch.

      e.g. http://www.mouser.com/Semicond...

    6. Re: Simple to fix for $5 by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      A temporary one at best.

  15. It bears watching by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    They're at least half-assedly acknowledging it, finally. I'll be curious to see whether this eventually turns into a free repair, a la the original MacBook Air hinge replacement.

    My 6 Plus fortunately hasn't exhibited this problem yet - but I only carry it in a loose cargo pant pocket or a coat pocket. I really don't get why so many people store their phones in a butt pocket, though. I've been paying attention since this "touch disease" thing surfaced... and a lot of people seemingly keep their phones back there. I watched one of my coworkers pull his Samsung out of a back pocket today. It just seems dumb, and uncomfortable to boot!

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    1. Re:It bears watching by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Women's pants don't have functional front pockets, often. As for me, I use it when I'm shopping and needing to check prices online and so on frequently, but otherwise I agree and keep it in front.

    2. Re:It bears watching by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Women's pants don't have functional front pockets, often. As for me, I use it when I'm shopping and needing to check prices online and so on frequently, but otherwise I agree and keep it in front.

      Yeah, but you gals get to carry around a piece of luggage to carry all your stuff in without people snickering at you; so who needs pockets? ;-)

  16. If hell is not raised by wjcofkc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If Apple's user base does not call them out on charging $149 to fix a device that shipped defective to a point damaging to the company then perhaps a lot of the fun that has been poked at iPhones users over the years is true.

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    1. Re:If hell is not raised by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      There is a class action suit, so there are iPhone customers who are raising hell and awareness.

      There are always lickspittle Apple fans, though. I wouldn't say they are clueless. Just infected by a religion.

      Steve Jobs spent years studying under a guru and was an expert on cult-like religions.

    2. Re:If hell is not raised by avandesande · · Score: 1

      It's the new service economy. You pay to 'service' Apple.

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    3. Re:If hell is not raised by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Good lord, in other cults at least the service is free! It only steals your time, not your money.

      Then again, there's offering, so... but who drops that much into the plate?

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    4. Re:If hell is not raised by martrootamm · · Score: 1

      Apart from Apple admitting issues with the design, the official repair is meant to alleviate the problem of people buying a very expensive gadget and then taking it to unofficial repair shops, which action can often void warranty on the device.

      If the programme is worldwide, then for many people in developing states, an official repair is one way of not leaving customers in the lurch. Because in these countries, taking a fragile device to what is most certainly an unofficial repair shop might make things worse. (And yes, each developing country does have a class of people who can afford an iPhone. Of these, some can just or only barely afford one.)

      If I ever come across such news, it would be interesting to find out what was officially replaced.

      To be rather forthcoming, then for $149 per item, a creative electronics company could have engineered new innards for the faulty model, including a motherboard and attached gear that would not be susceptible to bending. Of course, this would dramatically enhance the future lifetime of said product model, but these things do have 64-bit chips. Such an electronics manufacturer would also be very smart to refurbish all existing bits and pieces less the faulty item (and sell the phone as refurb). But that would in and of itself be a painstakingly complex process.

      An easier and faster solution from the consumer point of view would be a very generous buyback or exchange-for-new programme.

  17. Re:STUPID IDIOT MORONS? BENDGATE? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

    Wait until we start having troubles with water.

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  18. Re:The solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    Hmm...

    Option 1: pay $149 to fix a design and manufacturing defect on an otherwise excellent product.

    Option 2: pay $900 to buy an iPhone 7+ that will probably have some other defect.

    Option 3: buy a $149 Android phone and flip Apple the bird.

  19. Re:Small claim court by lucm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This sounds like a pretty good situation, except, the merchant/manufacturer will probably build the cost of legal challenges into the price of refrigerators purchased by the next group of buyers.

    That's not how pricing works. Fat margin companies (and Apple is one) always go for the highest possible price point past the profit line. They don't itemize reasons to add a dollar here or there, it's all based on market research, price sensitivity of their core market, and so forth. For instance Apple will never pass down a discount to their customers if they get a better deal on batteries or screens.

    At the other end of the spectrum there's Walmart, where the price of products is expected to go down year after year. They also will not take into account issues such as the cost of litigation, they will go for the rock bottom price.

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  20. Re:Good news! by lucm · · Score: 1

    Good news! Once President Trump forces Apple to bring manufacturing back home, the quality will improve and you won't have cheap plastic shit breaking all the damn time. Apple is of its father, Satan, the devil, and, left to its own fiendish devices, its father's work it will do.

    Bringing manufacturing back would not improve quality. There's no infrastructure in place for this kind of volume, and it takes years to build this kind of local expertise. By the time the plants are up & running, Apple will have a smaller market share than Blackberry.

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  21. Re:STUPID IDIOT MORONS? BENDGATE? by mlts · · Score: 1

    Or a master server...

  22. Re:The solution by beelsebob · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Which Android phone that's even vaguely in the same ballpark as an iPhone in terms of performance costs $149?

    Note, since you're clearly not counting contracts as you cited $900 for a phone that retails for $649 without any contract at all, I fully expect you to mark up any android phone by $250, meaning, what I'm really looking for is for you to find an android phone which has similar specs to an iPhone, but they'll give you $100 for using it, even though it doesn't come with any strings attached.

  23. Wish I could act fain interest this news. by mikeiver1 · · Score: 1

    ... but I can't. Apple is a for profit company and flat profits don't make the corporate gods and investors happy. Besides, if the morons are so hooked into the Apple eco system that they are willing to pay for issues with their devices that likely are not even of their own making then let them. For all the bad press that Samsung has deservedly garnered over the last few months and the stock and profit hits that followed the phones by them I have had have been remarkably tough and long lasting. My S4 gave me well in excess of 3 years service, only the power button failing forced me to buy a new phone. My S7 has been great so far. Is it as nice a device as say the apple 5S, for sure not but at least they do not force obsolesce on me via poor manufacture and OS updates. LG, Motorola, Sony, and Google etc all make very nice devices and they stand behind the products better than Apple seems to be willing to. If you can stomach Android and some of the interfaces that they force on you then maybe apple needs to be taught a little lesson the next time a phone refresh becomes necessary.

    1. Re:Wish I could act fain interest this news. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      ACT and FEIGN are the same thing. Good job there guy. WTF is FAIN?

      Although you are right in your correction, "fain" is actually a word.

  24. Re:STUPID IDIOT MORONS? BENDGATE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since the problem concerns about Apple, the retarded customers are implied. Are there any sane person who would pay $149 for company to fix a design flaw they have?

  25. Re:The solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Way to dodge the point!!

  26. They will replace with another defective screen by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    that will exhibit the same problem in a year. That's what they did with their 2011 Macbook Pro GPU problem.

  27. Re:The solution by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    Which Android phone that's even vaguely in the same ballpark as an iPhone in terms of performance costs $149?

    Wileyfox is getting close.

  28. Apple has over $200 BILLION in the bank by DirkDaring · · Score: 1

    ...but can't spare a few million to fix this issue to make their customers happy. It would barely even register on their balance sheet. Thanks Apple!

  29. Re:Good news! by DirkDaring · · Score: 2

    Hire Elon Musk, he keeps proving people wrong time and time again.

  30. Force Touch by CODiNE · · Score: 1

    I haven't seen comments on this pointing out that the 6s was the first phone with Force Touch added.

    Doesn't it seem possible that that people pressing firmly against their screens may have accelerated the problem? Especially since it's using an earlier phone design that wasn't made with these stresses in mind.

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  31. Just checking... by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    So , this is a problem caused by poor design and or manufacturing so that the device does not perform as advertised, but rather then issue a recall or repair this under warranty the manufacturer is expecting people to pay out of pocket to fix it?
    So , answer is , never buy from them again.

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  32. Re:STUPID IDIOT MORONS? BENDGATE? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

    Mr. President, I didn't know they allowed you to access Slashdot again. I thought you were prohibited the last time you tried telling the funniest joke in the world.

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  33. What's the market for used iPhone 6 Pluses? by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    Fixed or not (how do you tell?), I think the market for used iPhone 6 Pluses just tanked. What's Apple offering for an upgrade trade?

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    1. Re:What's the market for used iPhone 6 Pluses? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Maybe as trade-ins for Samsung Galaxy Note 7's?

    2. Re:What's the market for used iPhone 6 Pluses? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You can buy a brand new iPhone 7, and you can even keep your old iPhone 6 as an additional bonus!

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  34. Re:Small claim court by avandesande · · Score: 1

    Prices have gone up, and the crappy quality has spread to other retailers.

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  35. Re:The solution by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Hmm...

    Option 1: pay $149 to fix a design and manufacturing defect on an otherwise excellent product.

    Option 2: pay $900 to buy an iPhone 7+ that will probably have some other defect.

    Option 3: buy a $149 Android phone and flip Apple the bird.

    The comparison you are making is apples (in a manner of speaking) to pineapples. No iPhone costs $149 either. I'm assuming that whatever it cost the 6s owners here is sunk cost, so the $149 is something one would have to shell out either to repair the phone, or get a new one.

    So if they are getting a new one, they are under no constraint to match the spec of the defective phone that they don't want to foot the bill to repair. In which case, there are plenty of phones within $149 that they can get. I myself bought an unlocked Lumia 550 last year w/ Windows 10 for exactly that amount, which I use as a travel phone

  36. Re:Welfare program? From Apple? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    A lot of people may not have upgraded from 6 to 7. Usually, the contracts last ~2 years, by which time a generation has been skipped. Like I went from a 5s to a 7 (could have gotten a 6 had I bought my first phone just weeks later). But while there is added value going from 5s to either a 6 or 7, there ain't one when going from 6 to 7. In particular, you have the loss of the headphone jack, and a thinner phone ain't a 'feature'!

  37. So... by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    [...] Apple's suggestion that it is caused by repeated physical damage [...]

    So....this is a disease in the same way that blunt force trauma is a disease?

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  38. The right way to carry your phone by RubberChainsaw · · Score: 1

    Everyone knows that the right way to carry an iPhone is inside of a man purse. Duh!

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  39. Re: STUPID IDIOT MORONS? BENDGATE? by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

    Thank you, AC.