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David Pogue Calls Out 18 Sites For Failing His Space-Bar Scrolling Test (yahoo.com)
An anonymous reader quotes Yahoo Finance's David Pogue:
You know this tip, don't you? When you tap the Space bar, the web page you're reading scrolls up exactly one screenful... But in recent years, something clumsy and unfortunate has happened: Web designers have begun slapping toolbars or navigation bars at the top of the page. That's fine -- except when it throws off the Space-bar scrolling! Which, most of the time, it does.
Suddenly, tapping Space doesn't scroll the right amount. The lines you were supposed to read next scroll too high; they're now cut off. Now you have to use your mouse or keyboard to scroll back down again. Which defeats the entire purpose of the Space-bar tip. Over the last few months, I've begun keeping track of which sites do Space-bar scrolling right -- and which are broken. I want to draw the public's attention to this bit of broken code, and maybe inspire the world's webmasters to get with the program.
Pogue's article announces "the world's first Space-Bar Scrolling Report Card," shaming sites like the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, The New Yorker, and Scientific American for their improperly-scrolling web sites. (As well as, ironically, Yahoo -- the parent company of the site Pogue is writing for.) Pogue writes that web programmers "should get their act together so that the scroll works as it's supposed to. (And if you work for one of those sites, and you manage to get the scrolling-bug fixed, email me so I can update this article and congratulate you.)"
Suddenly, tapping Space doesn't scroll the right amount. The lines you were supposed to read next scroll too high; they're now cut off. Now you have to use your mouse or keyboard to scroll back down again. Which defeats the entire purpose of the Space-bar tip. Over the last few months, I've begun keeping track of which sites do Space-bar scrolling right -- and which are broken. I want to draw the public's attention to this bit of broken code, and maybe inspire the world's webmasters to get with the program.
Pogue's article announces "the world's first Space-Bar Scrolling Report Card," shaming sites like the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, The New Yorker, and Scientific American for their improperly-scrolling web sites. (As well as, ironically, Yahoo -- the parent company of the site Pogue is writing for.) Pogue writes that web programmers "should get their act together so that the scroll works as it's supposed to. (And if you work for one of those sites, and you manage to get the scrolling-bug fixed, email me so I can update this article and congratulate you.)"
Never realized that key performs scrolling.
Why don't people use the Page-up/-down keys anymore?
Spacebar for scrolling is the worst which happened to video sites. I want to pause the damn video or play it. I end up scrolling to weird places and having to scroll up and find the tiny play button again.
Works perfectly for me.
No sig today...
I wouldn't call it a "tip" or "trick" if the meaning of the key is obvious. Of course, kids these days might not see an actual PgDn key any more, and there are probably other reasons for the (unix)? tradition of using space for the same action, like HJKL for arrow keys.
Speaking of tradition, if browsers can respect the traditional space key, how about basic text manipulations like Ctrl-K, Ctrl-A and Ctrl-E?
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
Everybody uses the mouse to do the most basic things on computers these days. Including things like clicking the submit / "log in" button on forms and dialogs.
I wonder when the healthcare statistics start reflecting the higher incidence of RSI.
"Slow Down Cowboy! It's been 58 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment" -- slashdot, driving users away.
Perhaps he should check sites for whether, when you follow a link and return, it takes you back to where you were or to the top of the page.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
...and isn't that the platform every website is targetting now?
So you ban the floating section that screws up scrolling (this is not a Space versus PageDown debate, ya dills) and then, hell, get rid of a stack of other stuff too.
Well, the fact that some of the text gets obscured by a toolbar isn't the problem.
The real issue IS all the toolbars that remain in place when you are scrolling.
Who ever thought it was a good idea to steal my vertical pixels should be shot at dawn.
Even with Full HD screen there is still LESS vertical pixels than what I had 15 years ago on an old 21" 1600x1200 CRT.
"Progress" my as.
Seriously, could someone in web design please explain WHY keeping a toolbar on the top is a good idea?
I scroll through pages with the mouse wheel. I also have the middle button (wheel) set to Browser Back. It's really annoying these days that the most frequently used button in a browser is so often broken.
Huge fonts, toolbars, mystery hamburger navigation and goddamn parallax scrolling.
That's kind of bullshit. You can keep the keyboard features without sacrifying your precious tablet/phone crap. You are just being lazy.
Scrolling isn't a problem. There are a lot of ways to scroll.
What IS a problem is damned hover menus. They should be banned from the universe.
I'm calling bullshits on your entire comment until you provide a citation for "Jarring UI experience."
I'm using an ad blocker and it works fine.
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
No, because the browser doesn't know what the point of that fixed element is. The browser also can't help if the sites author is a complete fucking idiot and isn't using the native scrollbar.
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- low contrast text. The lower the contrast the better. The goal is text that is all but unreadable for a pair of 20-year-old eyeballs.
- expected functionality of the webpage UI is sabotaged. Make sure that "space bar to scroll down a page" continues to work, but works incorrectly
- lots of meaningless images and whitespace, with little actual content per page
"Jarring UI experience"?
Seriously? When I ask for the next page, it is because I WANT TO READ THE NEXT PAGE, and not because I want to see how clever the scrolling animation is.
Also, key scrolling is a local browser function. Whether it is space or page down or META+wheel on the mouse or shaking your phone in just the right way, the browser is just jumping down the buffer a bit.
The problem is that the HTML specs provide a way to float crap on top, and ways to pin it to the top or bottom of the page, and also a hint to the browser that indicates how much reading space is covered by the crap, so that the browser knows how far to jump per page request. Lots of websites have the floaty crap, without the hint.
That's all that needs to happen. Web designers need to provide the height of the crap they are cluttering the page with, and they aren't. They aren't being asked to write special javascript to jump properly, they aren't being asked to write keyboard drivers, or layout engines. Just to include a hint about how much of the reading space their floaty crap is obscuring.
See that "Preview" button?
Web and HTML isn't the same beast it was 20+ years ago. It is considered more of a thin-client interface protocol then a document reader.
No, it was considered a document reader, period. How it rendered the documents was entirely up to the client, but only basic content such as text and (some) images were supported - very poorly. It was for reading documents, including plaintext. The servers would serve up documents, in either plaintext or html. HTML was a type of document, not a protocol. The protocol was http: or file: for local files (which never required the "web"), HTML was a document standard, not protocol.
On a side note, the standard was f*cked from the beginning, and even Berniers-Lee now admits he made a mistake. The TLD should have been after the protocol spec and before the rest of the url, - http://org.slashdot.index.html... instead of http://slashdot.org/index.html. There were a lot of other stupidities in the spec as well, soch as calling a link an anchor tag. How stupid and counter-intuitive is this? No, it was copnsidered a document reader.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
1. When all browsers do it, and it's not a standard, should you ignore it? I would say no. From a developer's perspective, you should reasonably try to support these things. This could also potentially be an accessibility issue... if the browser sees a page of content as different than how your web page sees it, I suppose there could be some sort of issue there.
2. OK, but the space bar scroll hasn't changed in that time.
3. You can scroll by page with the mouse by clicking on the scrollbar track. It's not just the keyboard that can do it.
4. I still find when scrolling through very large documents it's far easier on me to scroll by a page at a time to navigate faster.
There is necessarily some overlap to these plagues
1) AOL (1990's Internet gateway confused with the actual Internet)
2) hotmail/msn
3) spam/malware
4) Penguinistas (from the advent of Linux until Linux became a stable and mature OS, c. 2004/6; subsequently, for the most part, it's all good, ignoring the systemd pimple)
4) Adobe Flash
5) poorly implemented Javascript (still continues, never ends)
6) Apple and the development and ubiquity of the iOS-dominated mobile web (this ruined nearly everything for mobile device power-users)
7) unrestrained web developers and site feature creep, KISS is replaced with incomprehensible complexity (slow steady march to WWW apocalypse)
WWW/Internet never needed any of these things. Some of them started out innocuously enough, and turned evil (like Flash), and some started out evil and turned to goodness (such as Linux and it's irrational popularity prior to become mature and stable).
What will be the next scourge of the Internet?
The Admin and the Engineer
Did you deliberately leave off Internets Explorer 6 thru 11?
Infinite scrolling: That's just millennials doing this crap, following "Buzz Lightyear - To Infinity and Beyond". I've seen sites that, whenever you try to click on one of the links in the footer, the footer just scrolls away before you can. Retards.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Is being called out by David Pogue going to shame anyone?
Only if enough of us express our discontent. And maybe email the culprits a few links, such as to this discussion and the original article.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Back in ~1995, any major application that failed to provide a PgDn mechanism would be the laughing stock everywhere.
It's technically optional to have the Spacebar do this, but the feature itself is never optional.
Something which isn't required for mobile devices because the user can trivially finger scroll that works as page down: Put the finger at the bottom of the screen, then move the finger to the top.
GP here. Yes. Microsoft's browser monopoly shenanigans are technically not something that affected anyone other than Microsoft users that didn't have the ability to work around it. However, incompetant web developers that only developed for IE should have been mentioned separately. Thanks for bringing that up.
4. The Page down is a Jarring UI experience.
Surely, you must joking here. PgUp/PgDn are useful buttons and they ought to work right.
Oddly enough the article is on Yahoo, which breaks the rule. I can tell Yahoo why their eyeballs keep dropping. It's because crap like this makes your pages hard to read.
Is infinite scrolling where you think you're approaching the bottom of a page and then more page gets added? Yes, I can't stand it. And I also find inserting text after rendering to be annoying.
If you don't know who David Pogue is, you have no business criticizing anything related to usability. Just keep on making your crappy interfaces and collect your check.
Does he not know that space makes the screen scroll DOWN, not up?
Except for all the 'made for Internet Explorer' pages which abused ActiveX to the detriment of Netscape.
The article mentions scrolling up/down small abounts with the keyboard, presumably by using arrow keys. They are also handy for browsing pages wider than the browser window. Alas, many sites break the sideways logic -- when pressing left or right, they send you to the prev/next section of the site. For example, next topic on a discussion forum.
I wonder who actually uses such a "feature" -- surely the kids today don't even use a keyboard, that relic from the 1960s terminal world.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
There's been a trend since the last few years making websites scroll via javascript, which completely takes over the user settings. I always turn off the annoying "smooth scrolling" feature, but since those damn scripts take over the browser built-in scrolling, I'm forced to see their so-called "smooth scrolling" which is slower than the built-in one and is overtaxing my old CPU/GPU. The end result is a forced choppy scrolling that looks like crap and make me hate your brand/company.
The second annoying trend, also related to scrolling, is hiding multiple backgrounds and having sections of the website "reveal" those backgrounds as you scroll the page. That's even more taxing on my old CPU/GPU and makes scrolling, even the built-in one, choppy.
The worst possible situation is idiot "designers" using both of these stupid ideas at the same time. The result is that it's so annoying that I simply disable CSS and Javascript just to be able to read the damn content, which is the job of a website in the first place, i.e. give me information.
It makes the view move down causing the contents or page to scroll up. In no cases should it cause the screen to move unless your device is on unstable surface.
Same here, I'm not familiar with the hint.
Nope, no sig
I must admit I didn't know what a pogue was, so I googled, and got a definition equating to REMF
(Rear Echelon Moother-F***er)
I remember this action on a CDC Cyber editor, and on a DEC VMS editor back in the early 80s. but where did this useful function really come from ?
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
I've noticed this issue for a couple years now, but I scroll down by clicking the scroll bar above the "down" arrow. Am I the only person who scrolls that way?
...Microsoft's browser monopoly shenanigans are technically not something that affected anyone other than Microsoft users that didn't have the ability to work around it....
Au contraire... It appeared that Microsoft's goal was to leverage its Windows monopoly in an attempt to push the web "standards" towards its Internet Explorer capabilities. Microsoft wanted the web to work best when viewed via Internet Explorer, and in the process, take control of the web in the same manner in which they took control of the desktop.
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Microsoft wanted the web client to drive the web standards development, instead of the standards driving the web client development. Fortunately, Microsoft failed. However, inside many companies, the web doesn't work right unless it works right with IE.
Besides, we already have the page down key.
No we don't.
They both have the same broken behavior. You missed the forest for the trees.
ID: the nose did not occur naturally, how would we wear glasses otherwise? (apologies to Voltaire)
And while we're at it, can we name and shame the fucktards who implement the "infinitely scrolling" page feature?
I hate that shit- you can't bookmark the page properly, and if you back up to it then it either loses it's memory of where you were (forcing you to scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll down to where you were) OR it forces you to reload 150 pages of crap back to get back to where you were. Either way its a pain in the ass and a hostile UI design.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
It's not just about the spacebar. On those sites, the page down key doesn't work correctly either.
Amen to all that, and also, can we have a report of websites that, despite the millions undoubtedly spent on breathtaking design, can't be bothered simply to place the focus in the search field when the page is loaded? It's 2016, people... Is this still hard??? I'm looking at you IMDB (which used to do it right, but has chosen to suck in so many ways in recent years), Amazon... and so many others.
Might makes right irrelevant.
Hitting "return" also doesn't bring you back to the left side of your sheet of paper and to the next line with the "ding" of a bell anymore, either, and rotary-dial phones are becoming increasingly rare. Just do like everyone else and press the buttons on your new-fangled wireless mobile phone gizmo and hit the damn "page down" key or scroll on your mouse or touchpad when you want to move down a web page. The web isn't all plain html these days, if you hadn't noticed, and a lot of page views are on devices that don't even have a physical space bar.
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
What people should be pissed about is the continuing use a mysql/php/apache in the face of mongodb/javascript/nodejs.
The only tool you own is a hammer, isn't it...
-- sigs cause cancer.
I'm wondering if the guy who wrote the article has a dodgy plugin or browser that doesn't work correctly. I took a random selection of his websites and not a single word was obscured on any of the following:
- The Wall Street Journal
- The New Yorker
- Tumblr
- FiveThirtyEight
- Kickstarter
I'll leave it to someone else to check the rest but frankly this article has been the biggest waste of my time today ... and I spent 4 hours in a car today.
Since this is a browser feature and many sites have floating top bars, I think the browser is responsible, not the website. The browser feature that enables the float could easily accommodate the scroll feature properly. This would be preferable to asking every site to implement custom JavaScript for a minority of users.
Think globally but act within local variable scope.
Web pages should never, ever be able to remap view control keys such as cursors, page up/down, space, end or home, without a very prominent warning and permission prompt.
I'm looking at you, Google.
Cursors: they scroll the page. They always have. Stop commandeering them for bizarre behaviors.
A government is a body of people notably ungoverned - AC
A guy who thinks those annoying floating bars are okay? And he's some guy you claim to be a usability expert? Hahaha
The problem is that the HTML specs provide a way to float crap on top, and ways to pin it to the top or bottom of the page, and also a hint to the browser that indicates how much reading space is covered by the crap, so that the browser knows how far to jump per page request. Lots of websites have the floaty crap, without the hint.
I found a solution this weekend: just disable CSS. Pages are readable again, besides the catastrophic breakdown of design, but articles... man, articles are text and images again. And space/PgDown scrollable.
The keyboard is not a widely used technology for navigation. Most people use the pointer device and most have a scroll wheel or some equivalent scrolling gesture to them.
It's essential for web applications the same people will be depending on every day to get their jobs done. I never design systems without keyboard navigation.
Trying to make sure your web site/web application supports all those crazy keystrokes they did doesn't make much sense. And would require much more effort than to appease some old guys habits.
The only metric I care about is productivity. "Doesn't make much sense" and "appease some old guys habits" convey no objectively useful information.
I can get to any screen I want from anywhere instantly without looking at the screen and without navigation aids even being visible. This provides ability to navigate faster and improve my productivity v. exclusively touch screen / mouse usage. Those who chose not to learn keyboard navigation consistently underperform those who take the initiative to learn.
The issue is all those click objects dispersed on the page. Get rid of them with a browser that has a toggle to switch positioning on/off. e.g. Opera 12.17.
You might be able to write a little js routine for your browser doing the same.
Of all the things wrong with web site design, the spacebar scrolling function is what bothers you? Here's what you do:
1) Install and use Firefox.
2) Tap "Enter Reader View" at the end of the URL box.
3) Use the spacebar to scroll pages if that is what turns you on.
In any case, you'll get rid of all the floating crap that gets in the way of actually reading the article. That stuff is just as bad as the blinking text (I mean the text literally blinked--not kidding) from the 90s.
If Reader View doesn't work on the particular website you care about, then just close it out and go to another. Except for a few cases where organizations do actual journalism, everyone just says pretty much just copies each other.
I'd rather use space as a dedicated play/pause button. It's stupid to go to YouTube and hit space to play a video, and it scrolls the page. But if you focus the payer, then space changes functionality and becomes the video start/stop controller. It's confusing. Who scrolls with space when you have page down, arrow and scroll wheel? Why not have a large juicy video player button instead?
There is actually a touch-screen gesture that should be equivalent to a single press on the Page Down key: a short flick of the finger. Android actually does this wrong as it scrolls different distances depending on subtle variations of your finger speed.
There are also tablets whose primary function is an e-reader where there also physical buttons specifically for moving to the next/previous page.
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
Spacebar schmaizebar... Clicking on <a href="#anchor> to go to a <a name="anchor"> will hide the target row under the stupid toolbar too. Some sites use JS to scroll back the size of the toolbar to compensate, and it looks creepty as fuck when they do that.
"Everybody's naked underneath" -- The Doctor
Back in ~1995, any major application that failed to provide a PgDn mechanism would be the laughing stock everywhere.
It's technically optional to have the Spacebar do this, but the feature itself is never optional.
Anyone plugging in a modem to dial-up to the internet today would be the laughing stock everywhere. In other words, it's not 1995 anymore, and based on the number of people who even know this feature exists I'd say it's pretty optional, and likely irrelevant.
Something which isn't required for mobile devices because the user can trivially finger scroll that works as page down: Put the finger at the bottom of the screen, then move the finger to the top.
My point was more centered around the fact that mobile is becoming the dominant interface to the internet, which is all the more reason this outdated feature is irrelevant, much like the dial-up modem.
I'm old enough to remember when "buttery smooth" scrolling seemed to be of vital importance on Slashdot.
Y'know, that analogy just kinda falls apart all over the place if you're trying to promote node/mongo with it.
LAMP has been around a lot longer than nodejs and mongo. Everyone has it, and there's a reason why a lot of people still use it (hint: it isn't because they don't want to learn something new). And the tools around node for build and deployment are an egregiously overcomplicated mess. Mongo has its own pain points. And yes, I happen to use both, along with various LAMP-based applications. And some Ruby. And a number of other things.
LAMP is the knife you're talking about. It's everywhere, easy to work with, and extremely well supported. Node and friends are the garlic press -- we're just in the popular phase where everyone is buying one and telling their friends that they aren't cool if they don't have one too.
All tools have their place. If you can't understand that, then you're either (a) lazy, (b) in the wrong business, (c) a flaming idiot, or (d) all of the above.
-- sigs cause cancer.
Some say it is being lazy others saying you are meeting your deadline.
Real world development you don't have time to make it perfect.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
But "navigation bars or toolbars at the top of the web page" do not fall into the category of WWW scourges.
That's been a standard web page design since about, I don't know, 1993.
And making the toolbar stay there while the rest of the content scrolls has been there since the invention of frames (1994?) and CSS (1996).
So whoever invented the clever space bar thing (probably sometime after those dates), should have taken all of those common page designs into account when implementing the scroll control feature.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
Early PCs did not have both an Enter and a Return key
When did I say "early PCs"? PCs have only been around since the late 70s. Computing and human interfaces were around for decades before personal computers. Do you know what a terminal is?
You know that home computers only became popular (beyond a tiny geek hobby) about halfway through the history of general-purpose computers, right? And that getting and posting forms was the norm for user interaction from almost the beginning?
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
...Person in his second half-century complains that UI element he's comfortable with is no longer as universal as he thinks it should be
What, you're ragging on him because he's older and has more experience than you? Way to go, young lady, you're like so awesome!.
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In military slang, 'pogue' is a derogatory term for some REMF that has no clue how the world works in reality. That's about right.
In everyday slang, 'argStyopa' is a derogatory term for a pantywaist that thinks she knows it all, while still carrying a Fischer-Price lunchbox
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Space bar is not a crazy keystroke and has nothing to do with HTML standards. I would seriously fire a web developer who spoke like this.
Secession is the right of all sentient beings.
whaddayagonnado?
Not hire either one of them and compose my own motherfucking website.
hit the damn "page down" key
Having to use two hands to hold Fn and press Down Arrow to activate the PgDn scancode is less convenient than just pressing the big fat spacebar with one hand.
a lot of page views are on devices that don't even have a physical space bar.
And a lot are on devices that do, such as the laptop into which I'm typing this comment. So unless you're requiring the user to receive SMS for account confirmation, or your web application's core functionality depends on continuous geolocation, a substantial fraction of users are going to end up on desktops, laptops, or tablets with a clip-on keyboard.
And then someone adds six lines of CSS to make it more readable, resulting in a better MFing website. (The one thing I disagree with on Better is "A little less contrast".)
If a fixed element is positioned at the very top or bottom and more than half the width of the body, the browser can use a heuristic to determine that it's a navigation bar whose height should be excluded from the viewport height for page scrolling calculation.
"becoming the dominant interface" doesn't imply nearly the same usage share disparity as fiber+cable+DSL+satellite+cellular compared to dial-up.
Since Page Down and Space-Bar scrolling do the same function, it would be pretty ridiculous if they were each implemented with separate code in the browser.
Yeah, I assumed one didn't need to be a genius to get that.
ID: the nose did not occur naturally, how would we wear glasses otherwise? (apologies to Voltaire)
In the beginning, as a web page loaded, stuff jumped around and moved about as more and more arrived over our painfully slow connections. Made it pretty hard to read anything until it was done.
Then things sped up, and using "WIDTH" and "HEIGHT" attributes in image tags, and probably all sort of other innovations, it stopped happening. You could read a page and it didn't jump all over the place while it finished loading. Yay!
Well, somehow we've traveled back to the 90's, because that shit is happening all over again. Very annoying trying to read text that keeps moving. Somebody broke something.
For some reason on my phone, when I click on "older", when it goes to the next page, you see the top but jump along until it gets to the bottom, and it is pointless to try to read anything until it finishes, as it will keep going regardless of attempts to read something at the top. When it is done, then I need to scroll to the top to read the newest "older" posts. PITA.
Could you provide a link to the part of the HTML specs which detail this 'hint'?
Thanks in advance.
I know Donald Norman. David Pogue is no Donald Norman .
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I'm a 50 year old man, btw. "Styopa" is Russian, short for (variously) Stepan. And the arg (in case you're doubting my age) was actually my quake (1) clan [arg!] which I was into when I started reading Slashdot...then they later changed their login format, so I lost the [ and ] and !.
I just find old people that bitch because something changes tiresome.
-Styopa
The unix utility more was written in 1978, according to Wikipedia.
I'm a 50 year old man,
Then start acting like one instead of some whiny little millennial bitch who's complaining that the rice in the cafeteria sushi isn't authentic enough to satisfy her standards.
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And the arg (in case you're doubting my age) was actually my quake (1) clan [arg!]
That's nice, dear.
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I just find old people that bitch because something changes tiresome.
Then say hello to the mirror for me.
And it's not just that "something changed", it's that a useful existing standard is being broken for no good reason.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
You completely forgot the tld in your example.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
"And it's not just that "something changed", it's that a useful existing standard is being broken for no good reason."
So, yes, it IS in fact "something changed" and you're Mr Pogue's cute little white-knight. Adorable.
Maybe the fact that something existed for a while doesn't mean it is intrinsically worth preserving?
Hint: try the pgdwn key?
Or your mouse wheel?
Or clicking on the slidebar?
Or sliding the screen indicator on the slidebar?
Considering other web-systems have adopted the spacebar for their functions (ie stop/start video, etc) maybe it was a good time to abandon a method that wasn't all that widely used anyway?
I find the hardest thing to explain to old people is that there usually a multitude of ways to do the same thing on a computer, and not to get too upset or fixated on a single method.
I guess that's still true.
-Styopa
I find the hardest thing to explain to old people is that there usually a multitude of ways to do the same thing on a computer, and not to get too upset or fixated on a single method.
Lol, I'll remember that the next time you spout off about something changing that you don't like. It'll happen. :)
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Or do you mean the 40% of users that are so clueless about HTML standards that they don't even know you can change the font size of a web page with a keystroke? Ctrl- +/- for the clueless.
NRRPT/RCT