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Reddit CEO Steve Huffman: I Screwed Up and I Want Reddit To Trust Me Again (cnbc.com)

The most anxious day of Reddit CEO Steve Huffman's life, he says, was showing up to work on the Monday after Thanksgiving this year. The week before, he had thrown the company into a minor political crisis. From a CNBC report: After weeks being antagonized by the users of Reddit communities like /r/The_Donald and /r/pizzagate, Huffman had covertly edited messages posted by other users that were critical of him, to instead be critical of those communities' leaders. On the latest episode of Recode Decode, hosted by Kara Swisher, Huffman said he conceived this as a prank, "in the spirit of fun." "I figured, I'm just going to mess with these bullies, and I actually have the capability of messing with them, so I'll do so," Huffman said. "I wanted to do something. I didn't do the right thing, but that was my mentality." Huffman says the aftermath of this "prank," users questioning whether their posts had ever been edited without their consent in the past, was "devastating," and that he knows it will take time to rebuild trust within the community. At an all-hands staff meeting on that anxious Monday, he apologized directly to Reddit's staff and said he wanted them all to be proud to work there.

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  1. Only Fixed by Resigning by casings · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no coming back from this. Until he decides to leave, trust cannot be rebuilt.

    1. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is what happens when children attain adult bodies, without actually growing up.

    2. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If making relatively minor edits to a few inconsequential posts insulting him, then admitting it and repeatedly apologising and swearing he will never do it again isn't enough, then maybe it's not worth trying to regain the trust of people who feel that way.

      It's the standard Reddit conspiracy theory. Something minor blow out of all proportion. Just like the last several times it's a sure sign that Reddit is dead and everyone is busy signing up for Voat.

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    3. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not minor if you have to wonder with every post if it's going to be altered or hidden or deleted, you'd just take your time elsewhere. E.g. if it were happening here, I wouldn't bother posting.

    4. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by RogueyWon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I started my first "proper" job fresh out of university, my first boss told me:

      "Your reputation can recover from even spectacular incompetence if you look apologetic and keep your head down for a year or two at most. The moment you lose your integrity, it's gone for life."

      Would be a better story if he hadn't been fired and referred to the police a few years later for fiddling money from consultancy contracts.

    5. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      How do you know it's not happening here?

      It came to light pretty fast on Reddit. I'm sure it would come to light pretty fast here too. What makes you so sure that /. posts are not edited, while you "have to wonder" over on Reddit?

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    6. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by SubtleGuest · · Score: 1

      That story didn't go where I thought it was going.

    7. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Guybrush_T · · Score: 1

      I'm actually happy to see people learn from their errors. I would trust him much more than anyone else. He recognized what he did, he recognized his error. He knows he'll have no other chance now.

      On the other hand, I'm sad to see every other guy call for resignation every time someone makes a mistake. It is actually the opposite : someone who did a mistake and suffered from it will never make it again. So that guy is now better and smarter ... why should he resign ?

    8. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem isn't really the editing of a few posts, the problem is the fact that he can, unilaterally, go in and edit other people's posts. It is only a conspiracy theory until it is proven true. The fact that he did this shows that not only could it be done, but it was done, thus, no longer a conspiracy theory, it is proven fact. The motivation and trying to play it off as a joke because he got caught are also telling. The fact that he thought he could do this makes it likely that it was done in the past, but that he/they got away with it. It would be easy to destroy a person's online reputation in this manner. It is the online equivalent of identity theft.

      At a minimum, to restore trust, they need to implement a policy where posts cannot and will not ever be edited by anyone other than the author, and any employee who does will be immediately terminated, regardless of rank. Also implement some software that only allows employees to delete posts, not edit them. Add a method for the software to verify that the post is being edited by the true user and not an employee and if an employee attempts an edit of a post, the original author gets an automated email as well as the entire company describing the infraction along with date, time, ip, user login, original and modified post, etc.

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    9. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "every post"?

      You and I are not that special, dude.

      Hey, I remember that one. That's what people used to say when us "conspiracy theorists" said the NSA was spying on every American citizen.

    10. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There is no coming back from this. Until he decides to leave, trust cannot be rebuilt.

      Reddit is dead. The 2016 election was much worse than this incident. Widespread shadowbanning of non-conforming opinion. It was already more than apparent that reddit admins and moderators were using "editing by omission," where non-conforming opinions were deleted and/or the accounts were shadowbanned. Now we know they also did regular old editing too. Reddit is a propaganda machine now, nothing more, nothing less.

    11. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Exactly this. Communities like that do not forgive, and they do not forget. Just ask Ellen Pao.

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    12. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by kuzb · · Score: 2

      Reddit isn't different. It's just a larger chamber.

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    13. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by MrLint · · Score: 1

      Which part of a CEO mentality is ok to go in and edit the DB? The excuse of 'well I'm the engineer' doesn't cut it. The shoot from the hip, 'cowboy' startup mentality is what will end up dooming Reddit; spez' actions are merely the consequence. Reddit should no longer be in the 'startup' mentality. It is this kind of "I'm gonna fuck with my detractors BS that is the hallmark of the egoist, not the high level otherwise detached management of the CEO. Perhaps he should just have a twitter spat, ya know like that other guy all over the news.

    14. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      An echo chamber where the thought police are editing things behind the scenes is not even useful as an echo chamber.

    15. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 4, Informative

      The site was founded on fake. They never had integrity, never will.

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      I once took an excursion to Reddit, and later HN. Unlimited up/down voting sucks when dealing with a hive-mind.

    16. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not minor if you have to wonder with every post if it's going to be altered or hidden or deleted, you'd just take your time elsewhere. E.g. if it were happening here, I wouldn't bother posting.

      It's not even that. The worst thing is that you cannot trust that anything you see someone saying, was actually said by him/her.
      That's a much, much more grave issue than having your post hidden or deleted.

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    17. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Read how to discredit your rivals. Use "conspiracy" (as in "vast right-wing conspiracy") to explain why what you said/did wasn't what you said/did. Alternatively, when others use "conspiracy" against you (regardless of your involvement in said conspiracy) point out of fucking stupid it is to follow with "those crazy people".

      You can apply this to just about every conspiracy theory out there, if you want to believe ... THERE IS A CONSPIRACY!!!, if you don't its ... THOSE CRAZY PEOPLE.

      Really convenient once you realize you can control the narrative this way.

      BTW, this applies to just about everything "Conspiratorial" ... e.g. ... THE RUSSIANS HACKED OUR ELECTION .... Imagine if Trump lost and was saying this instead of Clinton, I am sure most people's views would change.

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    18. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      He recognized what he did, he recognized his error.

      You grossly misspelled "He recognized that he got caught red-handed" up there.

      Sorry, but there's no trust to be salvaged from that one.

      (...and why the fuck was a CEO even given database/middleware access, anyway? Doesn't he have more important shit to do, like you know, run the company?)

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    19. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Solandri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That was my first thought upon reading OP's post too. Huffmann may have actually done the world a favor. He's opened people's eyes to the possibility that this type of behind-the-curtain manipulation can happen; something the tech community has been trying for years without success to warn the general public about with respect to electronic voting machines.

      If we're lucky, this will kick off a wave of forum sites coming up with clever hash systems allowing you to confirm that the message you posted on a forum has not been altered. And the best of these systems could trickle down into a way to confirm that a ballot you cast on an electronic voting machine has not been tampered with.

    20. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if you have to wonder with every post if it's going to be altered or hidden or deleted

      Indeed on the first of those three (given they've been hiding and deleting posts for the entire time Reddit has existed, to what extent does that weigh on the mind of any Redditor?)

      Now, now many Redditors are actually wondering if their posts are going to be altered? Any?

      The circumstances /u/spez altered posts with were exceptional. It may not have been right to alter them (the correct response would have been to delete them and ban the posters) but no sane person would be expecting their own posts to be similarly altered unless they were in the same ballpark.

      So, no, I'm not worried that /u/spez is about to edit any of my posts. No sane person is - no sane person who isn't accusing him of pedophilia, at any rate.

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    21. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Did people really think that Reddit staff couldn't edit posts?

      How would that even work? How would your proposal work, from a technical perspective? Seems impossible to not have admins with full access to the database.

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    22. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by thebullshitpatrol · · Score: 1

      Apparently reddit is the only place on the internet where there are normal humans with access to the website's databases and backend APIs.

    23. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I kind of miss the days of the paranoid tin-foil hats

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    24. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      If we're lucky, this will kick off a wave of forum sites coming up with clever hash systems allowing you to confirm that the message you posted on a forum has not been altered. And the best of these systems could trickle down into a way to confirm that a ballot you cast on an electronic voting machine has not been tampered with.

      Digital signatures have existed as a publicly available component since Zimmerman's release of PGP back in... 92? No need to reinvent anything that already exists but multi-client support is not seamless at this stage, which probably kills it for many.

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    25. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by omibus · · Score: 1

      Which is most "adults" today.

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    26. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      In the long term, the only real way to deal with this is for people to sign their posts with public-key encryption.

      Of course, even then you can only detect tampering, not outright censorship/deletion. The only way to fix that is by moving back to a decentralized system out of the control of any particular person, like Usenet.

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    27. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by blogagog · · Score: 1

      He did not admit that he made the edits. He was busted talking about it with friends.

    28. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by orlanz · · Score: 1

      Are you actually being serious? They are online posts! These aren't someone's Doctoral thesis. They are random opinions and discussions of random people around the world in a public setting behind user IDs. People actually believe that a private company's staff doesn't have the ability to edit the content generated by the users of their services?

      What are you going to do, have a private/public key for every account and have it signed for each and every post. Each user has a browser plugin wasting computing cycles retrieving and decrypting every post. ALL so that we can prevent the company that hosts the posts from editing them?

      Come on, this isn't serious stuff. Yes, it was shit of him to do that and he lost people's trust. He will need to work to get that back. But nothing on most website's warrant the level of controls & reprimand you describe. Yes, have a policy. I would be surprised if there isn't one already. And terminate depending on the level of violation. But beyond that, there is nothing here to get panties all twisted. The guy apologized multiple times and the damage was undone.... move on.

    29. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      I don't but I have no reason to suspect, yet. Redditers clearly do. It's that doubt that kills the motivation. If we ever get a proof that it happens here, I'll probably never post again.

    30. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by orlanz · · Score: 1

      I have audited many companies... and I think I have come across maybe 2 that do that to the level you describe. The others... just get shit done.

      And here, we are talking about POSTS on a random website.... not the NYSE. My professor had a saying: "Don't waste dollars chasing pennies."

    31. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 2

      Just curious, why do you think so many gummint officials want Snowden dead since only "conspiracy theorists" believe the NSA actually spies on every American citizen?

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    32. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's no point in pushing for an electronic voting machine when optical machines are superior, because they leave a paper trail. Granted higher costs in managing paper ballots are unavoidable, but I prefer that to an electronically rigged election.

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    33. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by fizzup · · Score: 1

      Digital signatures on every post would work. It would make the site harder to use though, since you would have to share your private key with every machine you post from (even your phone) and it's not easy to implement it in a browser. Not great, but maybe it doesn't quite meet the "impossible" label.

    34. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      It may have been dollars chasing pennies prior to this SNAFU. However, at this point, you truly have a risk of losing a large portion of your users, which is big dollars, not pennies. This could have been avoided altogether by professional behavior and company wide rules.

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    35. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 2

      You are a fool, or a clever public media spin doctor. No one thinks /u/spez is going to modify their posts. But they are totally aware that government or corporate psy ops departments are capable of modifying or burying their posted speech, in order to manipulate a public consensus. That's why no one believes a corporate product forum when its known they delete negative statements against a product or the company. Tough luck reddit shareholders.

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    36. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Your system admins can obviously still edit posts, but notice that it is against company policy and a firing offense. That's maybe 5 employees? Outside of admins, all other employees, including the executives, shouldn't even have this ability in their login privileges.

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    37. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      I think its what makes it enjoyable. Irony is entertaining.

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    38. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by yuriklastalov · · Score: 1

      Neither were the people who had their posts edited, they were just your basic /r/the_donald "cuck-a-doodle-doo" shitposters.

    39. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Orgasmatron · · Score: 2

      Not minor edits, and not a prank.

      He did this to a thread linked up by a big newspaper article that drew lots of attention. He specifically edited posts that many people were going to see, and he edited them to make them look like the users of The_Donald hated the mods of The_Donald and thought they were crazy.

      This was not him blowing off steam. This was not a harmless prank. This was a calculated and planned attempt to discredit, divide and slander a large group with political opinions that he doesn't like.

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    40. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by yuriklastalov · · Score: 2

      What? If anything the paranoia is spreading. Apparently you haven't seen all the left-leaning conspiritard bullshit everywhere. You know, "Donald Trump is going to put Muslims into internment camps", "Donald Trump is basically Hitler", "Donald Trump is a Russian agent", etc, etc.

      The left likes to scoff at the uneducated idiots on the right with their fake news and conspiracy theories, but a growing number of the "educated liberal elite" are succumbing to the same paranoid thinking as the rednecks they love to hate. You can go right ahead and think your precious college education prevents you from that kind of thinking, but it doesn't. Humans of all sorts take to paranoia and conspiracy theories like a duck to water, it's endemic to human thought.

      So you don't think Global Warming is a Chinese hoax, good for you! Now go right on talking about how the Republicans are evil incarnate and are working to start the American version of the Taliban, how they all (to a man!) hate black people and minorities of all sorts (apparently even those Republicans who are minorities themselves, they do exist), and of course that perennial favorite, the Patriarchy: the vast conspiracy of straight white men who have worked tirelessly to keep women and minorities wriggling in the dirt since the dawn of history.

      I suppose when "reality has a left-wing bias" it's not conspiracy theories anymore, is that it?

    41. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by PatientZero · · Score: 1, Insightful

      and of course that perennial favorite, the Patriarchy: the vast conspiracy of straight white men who have worked tirelessly to keep women and minorities wriggling in the dirt since the dawn of history.

      I like how you listed a bunch of non-issue conspiracies that only the craziest of crazies on the left actually believe (as opposed to being bombastic) and then neatly conclude that racism and sexism don't exist and never have.

      "UFOs, trans-dimensional beings, Big Foot, the Loch Ness Monster, satellites—utter nonsense!"

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      I guess the War on Terror really is about freedom!
    42. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Every time I post anonymously, I click the link to that comment, open it in a new tab, and then bookmark it. That way I can easily see if someone responds to it. I haven't had one of those posts disappear yet.

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    43. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      ...making relatively minor edits to a few inconsequential posts insulting him...

      ...is unethical, let alone a "prank."

    44. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, he could just delete /The_Donald and all the people that are angry about it would leave in protest. Really would kill two birds with one stone.

    45. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      You do realize you're talking about the internet, right? Anybody can be hiding behind a pseudonym, and pseudonyms can always be hacked or hijacked. While I'm not at all defending the actions here of editing posts, having blind trust anywhere that a pseudonymous forum is conveying "truth" or co nsistency in sources or whatever is always dicey.

    46. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Yes, it was shit of him to do that and he lost people's trust. He will need to work to get that back. But nothing on most website's warrant the level of controls & reprimand you describe. Yes, have a policy. I would be surprised if there isn't one already. And terminate depending on the level of violation. But beyond that, there is nothing here to get panties all twisted. The guy apologized multiple times and the damage was undone.... move on.

      For what he earns as CEO, not tampering with users posts seems like absolute minimal behavior. From my perspective, the issue isn't so much about what he did. The real issue is the appallingly poor judgment he showed in personally committing actions that undermined public trust in the sole product his company creates.

      Is that a firing offense? How about putting it another way: Do you think a low-level staffer would get fired over something like this?

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    47. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by adolf · · Score: 1

      Of course it can be done: It is simple plaintext in some manner of database, and /u/spez (being both CEO and having half a technological clue) can run amok.*

      The only way around this is to cryptographically sign your messages.

      If this were still the 90s, we'd be talking about that amongst all our other talk about RSA, patents, and encryption export bans. Alas, the only signed messages I ever see these days on a normal basis are on the gentoo-security mailing list, because we've generally forgotten just how nifty and awesome PGP-ish signing can be.

      *: I've done similar things on my BBS...when I was 12. I skewed the odds in the online games I hosted, I snooped on presumably-private email, and I subtly changed public messages to suit my whimsy. I listened to 49MHz cordless phones with my scanner, and I purposefully interfered^H^H^H^H^Hacted with my neighbor's RF-over-powerline intercom system.

      I don't do that sort of thing anymore because I found it all very boring even at the time, but also because I've grown to value privacy and sanctity in communications. A few years after that was I was running proper (for the time) paid-for mail and news servers on teh Intarwebs, and never once went poking at the mail spools, and never wanted to: Not my fucking business. I'm not 12 anymore. /u/spez, meanwhile....

    48. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by adolf · · Score: 1

      My current boss goes on passionate and persuasive mini-rants about integrity, personal responsibility, and mutual respect.

      He's also a convicted felon. Insurance fraud, before my tenure there.

      tl;dr. Bosses are humans, too, and he's incidentally the best boss I've ever had.

    49. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by TheReaperD · · Score: 1

      We, the users, have the ability to flag your posts for removal. Enough of us flag it and it's gone; no moderator required. Now, I don't know this for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised, if the threshold to remove a post from an anonymous user is lower than removing a post from a registered user with a positive karma score.

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    50. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Maritz · · Score: 1

      And if you claimed the NSA was editing every message from every citizen without anyone knowing, you'd still get laughed at. And deservedly so.

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    51. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by bentcd · · Score: 1

      If we're lucky, this will kick off a wave of forum sites coming up with clever hash systems allowing you to confirm that the message you posted on a forum has not been altered.

      Easy. Just put reddit on the blockchain.

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    52. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      My goodness, it seems someone opened their can of paranoid conspiracy theories and hit the jackpot!

      The obvious reference (paranoid tin-foil hats) is to people that just absolutely were convinced that the government was spying on everything they do. News flash, they weren't paranoid since that's exactly what was happening. I also happened to know that wasn't paranoia because I knew they have been monitoring the internet for a very very long time. And no, that wasn't because I was one of the monitors.

      As to references to Trump being like Hitler are based on his activities during the campaign with emotional appeals to being wronged, making the fatherland great again, complete disregard for facts even at times when they supported him because they would mute his message's appeal with too much information. It very much was like the campaign run by Hitler and Goebbels from the late 1920s onwards.

      Just because someone doesn't like Trump doesn't mean they're pro Hillary, dems, or a liberal. Your black and white, us vs them world view is a huge part of the current problem.

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    53. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by crtreece · · Score: 1

      What would be really interesting to see going forward is a forum with cryptographic signing built into the to the base functionality of a forum. This would give both the poster, and the readers, a way to verify the integrity of the message. The downside (but not really) is that editing would be more difficult, but I could live without an edit function. Maybe that would force a little more thought before hitting the submit button, like it does here on /. A bigger issue might be the loss of anonymity that would come along with that, but you are already not anonymous to a state level actor and probably a few multinational corporate entities.

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    54. Re: Only Fixed by Resigning by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Actually, editors do make changes to letters from readers. Normally it is due to space constraints, or in an effort to make the letter writer not appear to be a complete idiot.

    55. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by TWX · · Score: 1

      I spent a few months on Reddit because so many other narrow-focus forums were dying. Unfortunately what initially looks like a strength of Reddit's, the fact that one can participate in discussions in multiple different disciplines or areas of interest, is also its weakness when people get malevolent.

      Frankly, it's far too easy for someone that takes offense to one's comments in a specific discussion to harass them in all other subforums including those in which the offended party otherwise has no interest at all. Throw in the ability of partisan behavior, where whole groups of people decide that other groups of people are the problem, and you end up with the equivalent of digital raiding parties storming each others strongholds of opinion to intentionally disrupt discourse solely to attempt to deny that area for that discussion.

      It was bad enough already, but I'd used the site less than a year before the 2016 political season came into full swing. They cranked it up to eleven and the site became almost unusable.

      I can sympathize with moderators and admins of forums, as I've moderated forums myself over the years, but Reddit was the first that I saw that took to tactics like shadow-banning on a massive scale, and where punishments were made secret, and where there was basically no accounting for if moderators made bad choices. For single-purpose forums usually the moderators give warnings, then give temporary bans that the user can't readily ignore, then drop the ban-hammer in earnest, but on Reddit there seemed to be no consistency, no established set of procedures to lead to disciplinary action.

      Reddit is not the first attempt at general-purpose forums for all topics, there have been web-based attempts in the past, plus Usenet and even Fidonet message bases and private forums on AOL and Compuserve and Prodigy, but they all have the same problem that if they get large enough to be popular then they inevitably collapse under their own weight. Too many people feel that the whole medium should cater to their views and should not tolerate competing views, and that makes makes the whole thing come apart when they try to enforce that attitude.

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    56. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by TWX · · Score: 1
      Today?

      You think this is somehow different than it has been in the past?

      The children now love luxury; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are tyrants, not servants of the households. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize over their teachers.

      This quote is attributed to Socrates by Plato. Like, ~2300 years ago Socrates and Plato.

      Youth don't want to hear about what older people think even though experience has tempered many older people and they might have something useful to say. Older people forget that when they were young they didn't want to hear what older people had to say, and they had to attain their knowledge the hard way, through experience and misadventure.

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    57. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by Agripa · · Score: 1

      If making relatively minor edits to a few inconsequential posts insulting him, then admitting it and repeatedly apologising and swearing he will never do it again isn't enough, then maybe it's not worth trying to regain the trust of people who feel that way.

      When a government agency or civilian equivalent investigates an employee for malfeasance publicly and then find that they are actually innocent, they fire them or effectively fire them anyway because they know that their formerly loyal employee will no longer trust them and therefor cannot be trusted.

      What Steve Huffman says may or may not be true but it is irrelevant. He cannot be trusted. Fire him. That he got away with this means Reddit cannot be trusted either. Fire Reddit.

    58. Re:Only Fixed by Resigning by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      Every post that *could* be altered. It's the matter of principle -- if you know it happens at all then you know it might happen to the post you're typing right now, and when this constant doubt is present in your mind, no matter how weak, the mood for posting is killed and you go somewhere else.

  2. Lucky he is CEO. by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I did this as an employee, I'd be fired on the spot.

    1. Re:Lucky he is CEO. by zoloto · · Score: 1

      can you imagine if Commander Taco did this back in the day? We'd have had his head on a virtual pike. I wonder if Mr. Malda (https://twitter.com/cmdrtaco) would care to comment.

    2. Re:Lucky he is CEO. by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Depends on the infraction. Pretty sure that a CEO would be punished for doing something illegal with a child just as much as the janitor would...

      In this case though, actively nuking a company's reputation from orbit (which is what he did) is more than plenty of reason needed to fire the CEO.

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    3. Re:Lucky he is CEO. by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      THis is actively worse coming from the CEO. If a low level admin did this, he'd be fired, the CEO would appologize and they'd think of procedures to prevent it from happening again, and it would blow over failrly quickly. Nobody would mistake it for something the company thought was ok.

      The face that the CEO thought this was a good idea means that their entire company culture is one that accepts this. That destroys trust. We have no reason to believe he won't do it again in the future, or perform other more subtle forms of censorship.

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    4. Re:Lucky he is CEO. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Uh, if your CEO is stealing $10 you probably should get rid of him. What kind of person steals ANY amount of money?

    5. Re:Lucky he is CEO. by lgw · · Score: 1

      Funny, I thought that was the primary job duty of the CEO: to pick the pockets of investors. A CEO is primarily a salesman, and what good is an honest salesman?

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    6. Re:Lucky he is CEO. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      CEO would be punished for doing something illegal with a child

      Unless you're a Dupont.

    7. Re:Lucky he is CEO. by kuzb · · Score: 1

      All anyone has to do to see the double standard is look at Theranos. How is that dumb bitch still in charge? How is she not in jail? How is that company even still active?

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  3. too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    everybody head on over to voat. reddit sucks. reddit's the new digg

    1. Re:too late by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      I like the new digg. Not so sure about reddit anymore.

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  4. Avoid banana republic thinking by magarity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who disagree with your political position are not "bullies" that you need to do something like this just because you have the capability. This thinking leads to single party police states.

    1. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by irving47 · · Score: 5, Informative

      He did this to people calling him a pedophile, not people he discovered that voted the way he didn't want.

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    2. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1, Interesting

      People who disagree with your political position are not "bullies" that you need to do something like this just because you have the capability.

      What about Slashdot moderators who down-mod insightful, civil, fact-based posts as "Troll" just because they disagree with them?

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    3. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 2

      That's different. The rules of what happens to your posts are clear and known to all.

    4. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My point is that moderators who abuse their power and don't follow moderator guidelines are acting like the "bullies" the OP mentions.

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    5. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are they also changing the contents of posts?

    6. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      Not a good point because that behavior does drive people away. Presumably meta-moderation is supposed to counter that type of behavior, but I do wonder how many people ever take the time to do so.

    7. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I love a pedophile, not people he discovered that took pictures of kids the way he didn't want.

      Oh now I did it to you!

      As long as it is not about politics it's ok right?

    8. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter what they called him. He demonstrated that Reddit Admins/CEOs have editorial control over the content posted on their website.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

      The court held that although CompuServe did host defamatory content on its forums, CompuServe was merely a distributor, rather than a publisher, of the content. As a distributor, CompuServe could only be held liable for defamation if it knew, or had reason to know, of the defamatory nature of the content.

      The court held that "CompuServe has no more editorial control over such a publication than does a public library, book store, or newsstand, and it would be no more feasible for CompuServe to examine every publication it carries for potentially defamatory statements than it would be for any other distributor to do so."

    9. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      Your post is still there, intact, and without edits. Even if every moderator trolled your posts to -2 would not change the fact your post will be there, intact, and without edits for anyone curious enough to look. There is a difference between an employee doing this without procedure and oversight that is unknown to users compared to a user moderation system that does not delete or change posts. /. moderation isn't perfect but it doesn't change what you post. I don't get how that type of moderation (it isn't bullying by any measure of the definition) is anywhere near comparable to what reddit (Huffman) did.

      I would mod you troll to for using "bullies" to describe /. moderation too because that is bullshit and you know it.

    10. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by aristotheron · · Score: 1

      People who disagree with your political position are not "bullies" that you need to do something like this just because you have the capability. This thinking leads to single party police states.

      Of course, of course.

      Just as long a their view are contained within the political spectrum I accept.
      Just as long as it isn't HATEFUL and BIGOTED.

      This thinking leads to single party police states.

      Correction: This thinking already resulted in a single party police state

    11. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      This. His speech portrays a very bad picture of himself. As the only one with any power, it is everyone else who are bullies, and he is just trying to do good.

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    12. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Sure, but that is a case of bullies who have the exact some power of those they bully. It's two people with the same abilities having a row. Instead of Reddit's case of a bully squashing ants.

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    13. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by mrbester · · Score: 1

      It got modded to Troll because of irony. That notwithstanding, you're still at positive points on that post as well as the preceding one. Plus there is such a thing as meta-moderation here. A low six digit uid holder should know how this site has always operated.

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    14. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by mrbester · · Score: 1

      I've been invited to meta-moderate three times in all the years I've been here. That rarity of occurrence means I'm not likely to correct something that is ultimately inconsequential but concentrate on where it is really needed.

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    15. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I don't think your post was insightful or informative, but it's not certainly not trolling, so congratulations, you're "underrated".

      I like it. I've always wanted to see a post modded "+5, Troll!"

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    16. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Are they also changing the contents of posts?

      No, but I suspect such moderators would if they could.

      The point is that some moderators abuse their power. Instead of using mod points to promote a healthy discussion, they use it to advance their own agendas. They shouldn't be modding, but for some reason it seems that far too many of them are.

      When I moderate, if I encounter a well-considered post that I disagree with, either I leave it alone, or moderate it "Interesting" if it seems worthy. I seldom use negative mod points, but when I do, it's for posts that contain poor or faulty arguments (which I would mod "Overrated") and for others that I think most would agree fit the mod-description ("Off-topic", "Flamebait", or "Troll".)

      As you can see from my UID, I have been on Slashdot for awhile. There have always been moderators who have abused the privilege, Meta-moderating helps to remove them, yet they persist. But in recent years, there seems to have been a dramatic increase in the number of abusive moderators on Slashdot.

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    17. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by kencurry · · Score: 1

      Plus you can't mod a story that you've posted on, and you only can use one mod point on any particular post.

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    18. Re: Avoid banana republic thinking by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      The claims were largely hyperbolic, out of anger that he'd ban pizzagate but he would not ban various allegedly pedo-related subs.

    19. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Moderation is something Slashdot got right. Randomly selected and you can't both mod and comment. Plus it's capped at -2:5. Reddit gets a bit too carried away with band wagoning. Which made it hilarious to watch the Briana Wu AMA since their usual tactics didn't work.

    20. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by phorm · · Score: 1

      The old adage about "two wrongs" comes to mind. Proper method would be to delete the post and/or ban the user.

      Kinda like "well, the cop beat that guy to a pulp but he was selling drugs to kids." Yeah, we don't want slime who peddle drugs to kids, but we don't want cops who beat people down either.

    21. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Oh now I did it to you!

      As long as it is not about politics it's ok right?

      You're one person. He's talking about hundreds.

      You think one instance of a thing is the same as hundreds of instances of a thing. Pretty stupid.

      Funny how motivated reasoning is difficult to tell apart from rank idiocy.

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    22. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Thanks moderator, for proving my point.

      You're on 4 - insightful. What d'you think that does to your point?

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    23. Re:Avoid banana republic thinking by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Thanks moderator, for proving my point.

      You're on 4 - insightful. What d'you think that does to your point?

      It got modded up after I posted that. The down-mod is still there.

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  5. Poor CEO of Reddit by AvitarX · · Score: 1

    Is he being picked on by bullies? poor little man.

    His thin seems as thin as Trump's

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    1. Re:Poor CEO of Reddit by fisted · · Score: 1

      His thin seems as skin as Trump's

      FTFY...

    2. Re:Poor CEO of Reddit by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Almost, I think actually

      his skin seems as thin as Trump's...

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    3. Re:Poor CEO of Reddit by fisted · · Score: 1

      Does it happen to you a lot that you find yourself almost actually thinking?

  6. paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We paying reddit users want his head on a pike; fire his ass

    1. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      No, you're an anon here and more likely a 4chan anon who watches pedo-loli anime. Those aren't hate groups, no matter what your twitter SJW and their manlette friends say

    2. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by guises · · Score: 1

      There are paying Reddit users?

      This is a crappy reason to fire the guy. He's been purging Reddit of unwanted communities ever since he took over and people (mostly) weren't calling for his head then. This is comparatively trivial, and given that he's fessed up about it and we know all of the comments that he edited and he's promised not to do it anymore...

      Meh. Rather than continuing to make a fuss over this, it seems like it would be more constructive to move on to someplace else. Leave Reddit to the meme spewers and celebrity worshipers. The crappy moderation system makes for poor discussion anyway.

    3. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      We paying reddit users want his head on a pike; fire his ass

      To be fair, the users are paying (advertisers), albeit with their eyeballs...

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    4. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      He can be sane, but it doesn't change the fact that he damaged his company with his actions. Making common expressions of violent imagery is not reflective of actual fantacizing, and firing /u/spez's ass is the solution, not the problem.

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    5. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by yuriklastalov · · Score: 1

      There are paying Reddit users?

      That's what buying gold is.

    6. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by Boronx · · Score: 1

      People who pay for Reddit automatically deserve to be ignored.

    7. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by Maritz · · Score: 1

      They consider themselves paying users because there are some adverts? Jesus, that is pathetic.

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    8. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      wrong, I only said it likely they watched a certain type of anime, which wouldn't make them a pedophile even if true.

      you should be outraged at my implication they are follower of twitter SJW, is there any insult lower possible in modern english?

    9. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      It is very useful resource for many geek hobbies and interests. You know, like slashdot used to be. I wouldn't pay to use slashdot the way it is now.

    10. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      You are wrong on two counts. Pro-Trump communities aren't "unwanted" by at least half the populace in the USA. Altering people's comments on a forum supposed to promote discussion of ideas is betrayal of those ideals, that's a major evil thing he did. It is very worthwhile to make a fuss over Steve Huffman's actions, trying to alter history and reality to his narrow world view by abusing power and betraying customers. Off with his head (metaphorically, fire him)

    11. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      You're either ignorant or very young. Expressions like "head on a pike" or "heads should roll" or "throw him out on his ass" are common old euphemisms for terminating employment, nothing more. Sorry the reality is so boring compared to what you are fantasizing. Maybe you should read more books.

    12. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by guises · · Score: 1

      Pro-Trump communities aren't "unwanted" by at least half the populace in the USA.

      We know from the election that it's less than half, but that doesn't matter - I didn't say anything about pro-Trump communities. He started with Fat People Hate and a few other small subs, then there was the thing where some of the unwanted subs like Coontown were made semi-invisible before finally being banned. The Trump related ones are just the most recent, and he's been relatively generous with those.

    13. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      62206395/(64223958 + 62206395) = 49.2%

      close enough to "half"

    14. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by guises · · Score: 1

      It's 46% by the most recent tally. Been going down ever since the election, as more votes are counted.

    15. Re:paying reddit users want Steve Huffman's head by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      exact count not at all relevant to point

  7. Re: Glad he did it by murphtall · · Score: 2

    You could care less? Well then, why don't you?

  8. Bring back Pao and all will be forgiven by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Then redditors will realize things aren't so bad and ask him back.

    1. Re:Bring back Pao and all will be forgiven by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Your GG neckbeard types hate women because they're afraid of them. Amusingly, islam also fears women. Deeply fucking pathetic stuff all around.

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  9. Used Reddit for roughly 7-8 years, my thoughts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I stopped going to Reddit a week before this happened. There was a palpable feeling to the website that a lot of views were no longer welcome. What happened to the freedom of speech?

    I really can't say what happened to Reddit but I have some thoughts. If you go to the smaller sub reddits they are great. But anything with a large amount of people becomes ridiculously political. You can't even say anything or have a discussion without someone attempting to force you to find a source for every little thing you say.

    People need to learn how to just talk to each other again. That is where my mind goes.

    Throw all this BS with the people leading reddit into the mix and you're finding people are now realizing the internet has limits. Yeah we can unite behind causes easier but people are still people. Coming up with names like trolls and fake news isn't going to stop people from being people. They talk. They spread information and half the time it isn't accurate. How is that any different then what goes on in most groups at school, work every day?

    1. Re:Used Reddit for roughly 7-8 years, my thoughts. by penandpaper · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can't even say anything or have a discussion without someone attempting to force you to find a source for every little thing you say.

      Citation needed.

    2. Re:Used Reddit for roughly 7-8 years, my thoughts. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      It's far from just Reddit. But

      "People need to learn how to just talk to each other again."

      This is very true, for the whole internet (and IRL, but it's especially bad online). We need to stop with the tribalism and re-learn how to understand each other, communicate and even compromise.

      There's no "again" and there's no "re-learn". Constructive human communication across tribes is fucking unprecendented, and it's the reason we'll be extinct within a century or so.

      It's not that we don't have smart people with the attitude to do it - it's that we never give people like that influence. And we never will.

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    3. Re:Used Reddit for roughly 7-8 years, my thoughts. by Ostrich25 · · Score: 1

      What happened to the freedom of speech?

      That (freedom of speech, ie. the 1st Amendment) only applies to the government.

  10. Wait, on a free-to-use internet forum? by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

    This isn't some legal filing server, or your email provider. It's a fucking web forum. And one that lets you use it for free. If the CEO if a dick, take your eyeballs and go elsewhere*.

    *Please

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    1. Re:Wait, on a free-to-use internet forum? by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

      Well, let's not delude ourselves. You can use it without cash but it's certainly not free, their revenue comes from somewhere and it's not all from gold members.

    2. Re:Wait, on a free-to-use internet forum? by phorm · · Score: 1

      " one that lets you use it for free"

      Yes, you can use it for free. However, some people DO pay for services on Reddit, and it seems that many of them aren't particularly pleased with the situation either.

    3. Re:Wait, on a free-to-use internet forum? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      The benefits of Reddit Gold are pretty well defined. I didn't see any guarantee of message integrity beyond what is available at the free tier in their description.

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    4. Re:Wait, on a free-to-use internet forum? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      So have hand-written notes of uncertain authenticity and eyewitness reports conjured from memory. The fact that the data base is accessible means that the data has always been suspect until corroborated - and any lawyer who doesn't challenge the integrity of computer data of any kind is a fool.

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  11. The Right Thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'The Right Thing' is not to mess with people's speech, even if it disagrees with your political views. This is SOP for the left-leaning these days, and yet they wonder why hillary lost to donald trump of all people.

    Now, you have the right to do whatever you want on your platform, but that doesn't necessarily make it 'The Right Thing' to do. This isn't the first time social media has tried to modify narratives of users.

    0 sympathy.

    1. Re:The Right Thing by Boronx · · Score: 2

      Go to any city council meeting and act a shitlord. See how long your right to free speech keeps them from throwing you out.

  12. There is no comming back from this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Even if he steps down, and he should, the trust cannot ever possibly be rebuilt. The precedent has been set for a leader in a social media company to edit comments at will.

    Continuity and original authorship cannot therefore possibly be guaranteed without transparent check in systems (like source control) on comments for any online platform. Pandora's box has been opened and the legal ramifications will be interesting should any user ever be sued over content they "author".

  13. "In the spirit of fun" by taustin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Er, no, dude, it wasn't in the spirit of fun. If it were, you would have seen the criticism of you as being in the spirit of fun. But that criticism was malice, and your response was malicious. It was in the spiriting of being an asshole.

    Apology rejected.

    1. Re:"In the spirit of fun" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except the criticism of people by the_donald isn't in the spirit of fun. They (and Trump's NSC pick Flynn) spread outright lies that have incited violence (the man in the pizza shop).

      I don't condone what he did, but I can understand his frustration. It's still pretty bad that he has unauditable access to backend servers.

    2. Re:"In the spirit of fun" by taustin · · Score: 1

      Except the criticism of people by the_donald isn't in the spirit of fun.

      Which is exactly what I said, yes. Glad you agree.

      They (and Trump's NSC pick Flynn) spread outright lies that have incited violence (the man in the pizza shop).

      I don't condone what he did, but I can understand his frustration. It's still pretty bad that he has unauditable access to backend servers.

      So if one side is a bunch of malicious assholes, it's OK for the other side to be, too? That kind of thinking - from both sides - is precisely why Trump won. Not because he's better, but because he's different than the two parties you can't tell apart without a score card.

  14. Re:Wasteland by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

    It caused enough fallout that he'd write this, so clearly not OK.

  15. How long will it take to regain trust? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... and that he knows it will take time to rebuild trust within the community....

    A person's integrity is destroyed in seconds, yet can take years to rebuild. I am not sure he can regain the users' trust in a time period he would like.

  16. In other words... by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

    "I was just joking!"

    ...

    That sounds kinda childish to offer "it was just a prank" as an excuse.

    1. Re:In other words... by zerocommazero · · Score: 1

      He just should be upfront that he lost his cool. I would respect him more for that. Hell, if I had to put up with the ridiculous amount of threats, harassment and pedophile accusations from a specific group of assholes, I'd snap too.

  17. It's a good thing... by RogueyWon · · Score: 1

    This kind of thing doesn't happen on slashdot isn't it?

    1. Re:It's a good thing... by RogueyWon · · Score: 1

      Ah goddamit, and my "humorous" inserts got eaten in the parsing. Bah... talk about spoiling a perfectly good joke. That will teach me not to use "preview".

    2. Re:It's a good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If it did, I hope that fat cunt APk would be first to be deleted out of existance.

  18. He forgot the bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Where he banned users en masse for calling him out on his shit.

    So I guess the plan was:

    Surreptitiously edit the posts political subreddits you don't like
    Get caught
    Ban everyone you don't like in the ensuing shitstorm
    Grovel a bit and pretend it never happened

    Beautiful purge, shame the internet has such a long memory.

  19. Digital signatures by oldmacdonald · · Score: 2

    If you care about what you say on the internet not being changed, use a digital signature.

  20. Privatization of the public square by anthony_greer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the idea of the first amendment was that anyone can say anything on the public square, but online the "public" square is all privately owned by mostly large companies based in the Sanfrancisco or San Jose region and run by people who are predominately liberal. They are free to run their businesses as they and their shareholders see fit, but with so much of life hapnenning online, where are we supposed to have the "public square" if anyone with differant ideas gets treated badly or labeled "hate speech" or "fake news"?

    If Facebook Twitter, Reddit and other leftist dominated companies run all the communications mediums, how are those who disagree to compete in the arena of ideas?

    1. Re:Privatization of the public square by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If Facebook Twitter, Reddit and other leftist dominated companies run all the communications mediums, how are those who disagree to compete in the arena of ideas?

      There's not supposed to be competition in the arena of ideas, didn't you know that? It's supposed to be an infinite echo chamber where all the heads nod up and down at the same time in the same way and nobody ever says anything that challenges anyone's preconceived notions. Those that do must be exiled, ridiculed, and called racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, xenophobic, arachnophobic, hydrophobic, and anything else derogatory the echo chamber can come up with regardless of whether or not it actually applies. Such is the mentality of the left in political discourse.

      This is nothing new with the left. Go back to the origins with Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and so forth. Controlling thoughts and implementing groupthink has always been part and parcel of leftist ideology. It preys upon the typical desire to "fit in" and not be left out of a crowd. That's why every leftist government has always sought to ban certain types of speech -- either legally or extra-legally -- as part of its method for retaining power. The USSR did it to great effect for almost a century before it came crashing down. Today's "political correctness" is nothing more than the same ideology repackaged into something more aesthetically pleasing to the masses.

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    2. Re:Privatization of the public square by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      If Facebook Twitter, Reddit and other leftist dominated companies run all the communications mediums, how are those who disagree to compete in the arena of ideas?

      By creating new platforms. It's a good business opportunity. And it's already happening.

    3. Re:Privatization of the public square by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      With the old literal public squares, who owned them?

      Is that better or worse than the privately-owned "public squares" we have now or not?

      (And do you expect such a publicly-owned internet square to have less of a left-leaning bias?)

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    4. Re:Privatization of the public square by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Even in public squares, cops will throw you out if you're a nuisance.

    5. Re:Privatization of the public square by GonzoPhysicist · · Score: 1

      Those are authoritarian features, not leftist, but people seem to confuse/conflate the two a lot these days

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  21. count your blessings and resign by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    Steve Huffman has a net worth of many millions at age 33, based on nothing more than a mediocre ability for web design (judging by Reddit). He certainly doesn't seem like he is ready for a CEO position. He should count his blessings, resign, and spend the rest of his life bird watching, picking up women, or whatever strikes his fancy.

  22. Re:OH NOES! by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 1

    So he trolled the trolls.

    So basically you're saying what he did was fine because he did it against Trump and his "fifth column." So trashing free speech is fine with you so long as it's trashing free speech you don't like. The cognitive dissonance...it burns. Why do I get the feeling you'd be singing an entirely different tune if this was a conservative forum host that censored pro-Hillary or anti-Trump comments to align with conservative viewpoints?

    There's a simple litmus test you must always apply when rendering judgement on things like this. If the positions were reversed would you still feel the same? If the answer is "no" then you're not being objective enough to have a valid opinion on the subject.

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  23. Re:Wasteland by penandpaper · · Score: 1
  24. Re:OH NOES! by penandpaper · · Score: 1

    "They are destroying our 'democracy' with their conspiracy theories... When the 'Make America Great Again Neighborhood Block Councils' are formed'...

    u wot m8? Accidentally spilled that kool-aid into your cup, didn't notice, and decided to take the 'holier than though' approach while dying from heavy exposure to irony, eh?

    That's cool, I mean, I don't mind if you condemn conspiritards while being a conspiritard... just makes me kind of baffled really. Like seeing a unicorn; something rare and beautiful that I thought was made up until someone stapled a rainbow colored toilet-paper roll to its head. Then I knew the truth.

  25. He can regain my trust by kupojsin · · Score: 1

    by resigning.

  26. It's easier if you know there are 3 sets of leaks by Xenographic · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Russian hacker thing is especially bad because I've seen how many people can't comprehend that there are no less than 3 different leaks in play here. Or especially they conflate Hillary's private email server with the DNC leaks. Yes, there probably are some emails common to all the dumps--Podesta certainly emailed Hillary & the DNC and vice versa--but they could not have been obtained all in the same way, as we will see below:

    Hillary's emails

    Allegedly hacked from her home server, but we have no logs of this. She turned over paper copies. Some redacted emails (on paper) were released by the FBI. This has never been fully turned over to the public (or to the people investigating Benghazi). Trump joked that Russia (or whoever) could always release these after the fact, but nobody ever has released them all, including Hillary herself. We have posts by /u/stonetear on Reddit, who was a staffer there, talking about selectively wiping emails in the right time frame. All of this is public evidence that has been seen (and archived) by many people, unless someone wants to claim that /u/Spez edited that in to make Hillary look bad :)

    Podesta's Gmail account

    This was hacked by a very simply spear phishing email. It's DKIM validated by both Hillary & Google's servers, so anyone claiming this is fake can be proven wrong mathematically. Google signs them with the b and bh parameters (body & body hash) so no, it doesn't just cover the headers, but the body too. And no, there is a way to revoke the keys. Go look up the selector in the DKIM header if you know how, both keys are still there as of right now.

    We also have good reason to believe they fell for this, both because we can see the staff saying this is real and because bit.ly has that link being clicked on twice in the relevant time frame as you can see from their stats page for the link: https://bitly.com/1PibSU0+

    That bit.ly link resolves to a .TK URL the lameness filter hates which is obviously fake. You can see it from the previous stats page if you're curious. The TK domain is Tokelau, which a territory of New Zealand, if you were wondering. The phishing email itself claims there were hack attempts from the Ukraine.

    DNC Leaks

    This is alleged to have been leaked by a DNC insider. Wikileaks pointed out the suspicious death of DNC intern Seth Rich who was murdered but not robbed in the middle of the night. They have put up a reward for information on his killer(s). At this time, no one has been identified as the leaker, though there are a lot of stories quoting anonymous insiders claiming circumstantial evidence. There was also the 17 agencies of the USIC (i.e., the Coast Guard & co.) whose director put out a statement saying this was exactly the kind of thing Russia might do, but they did not give any specific evidence therein.

    You can find more discussion about that here: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/

  27. Trust? Seriously? by Alypius · · Score: 1

    You take all of the worst elements of the German Stasi and Orwell's Ministry of Truth and you expect to simply be forgiven after conducting a purge of the proles who forgot their place and blew the whistle on you? No. This is historical revisionism. It's totalitarian in nature and has no business in a free society. Congrats, tho, you've proven that there are still people in the world who think that Stalinism is a Good Idea that just needs some tweaking.

    1. Re:Trust? Seriously? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      You take all of the worst elements of the German Stasi and Orwell's Ministry of Truth

      So the ceo of some free to use web forum editing posts is equivalent to torturing people? Wrote, this is a new level of hyperbole.

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  28. The best will find great sites by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Once censorship is allowed who really wants to stay on a managed site?
    Once topics people have put a lot of work into get banned, edited or removed?
    Other really good US sites offer freedom of speech, freedom after speech and the freedom to read a comment later.
    They trust their users, their users ideas, thoughts, words, comments and topics.
    If a site does not like or trust its users to comment maybe the site should just publish the news, topics it likes?

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  29. You cannot lose what was not already there by mutantSushi · · Score: 1

    Not going to argue that people might feel they lose trust from this. But the point is, he took this action because he had already lost trust. People were going around knowingly telling lies that people (CEO) were pedophiles. That kind of discourse is not the basis for trustful community which respects norms. The people who did that have zero grounds to complain because they already ruined it.

  30. Reddit's management staff by ChaoticLimbs · · Score: 1

    Reddit's management structure is toxic, heavy-handed, and one-sided. And I say this as a proud leftist.
    Authoritarianism is not exclusive to the right wing. Left wingers can be equally authoritarian.
    And a lot of the time, we forget this. We are so proud of our ideological purity that we squash those who disagree with us.
    And as a direct result, they rejected us in the elections. Because we stopped being liberals and started being the Fairness Police.

  31. Re:It's easier if you know there are 3 sets of lea by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    Or, you can believe there were Hack Attempts, that they were made by "Unknown" but "suspected" russian attackers. While ignoring the fact that there were ALSO hack attempt(s) made by the US government on state Election Offices.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/ge...

    Part of the whole "Conspiracy" claim is that it doesn't need to have any evidence of truth. But, if you believe, it is part of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" (where have we heard that before???) or "Trump is an idiot for believing" if you don't.

    See how that works? No proof is needed, people asking for proof are "deniers", OR .... the people are idiots and we don't need to prove anything.

    Both sides try to play this game.

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  32. Re:It's easier if you know there are 3 sets of lea by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    Yes, there was in some other investigation a claim that a RAT was found that was Russian. Problem is, it was later shown to be common to underground forums but the first analysis of that didn't know this. And then we had ridiculous things like allegedly some bank was, I dunno, making DNS queries about a Trump server or whatever that nonsense was that hit Slashdot some time ago.

    Or there were some people complaining about, I think it was Guccifer's use of language saying they thought s/he was Russian? Of course, they never bothered to quote anything that someone could actually research. If it's not already clear, if someone should have evidence but they're unwilling to show anyone, I penalize their credibility proportionately. See also: Russell's teapot.

  33. Not so fast [Re:Only Fixed by Resigning] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    There is no coming back from this...trust cannot be rebuilt.

    Haven't you heard? Impulsive acts from leaders are in.

  34. WTF is wrong with Slashdot? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    Out of the 174 posts on this thread (at the time of writing), there are only five mentioning the words [GPG|PGP|signature|encryption]. This is Slashdot, for crying out loud -- half the thread should be talking about that stuff!

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  35. Re:It's easier if you know there are 3 sets of lea by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    This has never been fully turned over to the public (or to the people investigating Benghazi).

    The FBI has said it will eventually release ALL known non-classified/non-sensitive emails from H's server to the public, but has to review each one. They have already released many.

    Being there are many thousands of messages, it takes time to verify that all the people, places, events, and things mentioned in them are not classified or sensitive references.

  36. Huffman must go by lophophore · · Score: 1

    Huffman must go.

    If reddit users don't trust the community, there will be no community. Huffman did the unthinkable by covertly editing users posts; the only way reddit can recover users' trust is that Huffman must go.

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    1. Re:Huffman must go by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Huffman did the unthinkable by covertly editing users posts

      Wow, Reddit users think this is unthinkable, such sheeple.

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  37. Re:It's easier if you know there are 3 sets of lea by Xenographic · · Score: 2

    That would be great, if not for the fact that Hillary didn't release all of the emails to the FBI to begin with. The FBI only got paper copies after a lot of them were deleted and /u/stonetear (AKA Hillary's IT guy, Paul Combetta) had done whatever he was doing in that infamous post.

    Also, we know now that they use a bunch of aliases that make it hard to tell who is who. Here's a short cheat-sheet of those I happen to know. All of this is easily discovered by reading Wikileaks, so every item is an open secret at this point to anyone who cares to find out. I'm sure I forgot a few so feel free to correct me. This is interesting because sometimes there are subpoenas / FOIA requests that only target specific email addresses or names.

    Hillary Clinton
    hrod
    HRC
    Evergreen

    Chelsea Clinton
    CVC
    Diane Reynolds

    Anthony Wiener
    Carlos Danger

  38. It's all her fault by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

    It all must be Ellen Pao's fault. Somehow.

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  39. Re:Better me a "has been" vs. you "never was" by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit

    Doesn't block the above ad! Absolutely terrible!

    Want more?

    Why don't you include all the negative reviews that you have been keeping in your dossiers of everyone that responds to your ads?

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  40. So how can you believe the Russia BS? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    Wikileaks trying to glom onto his murder was one of the biggest reasons I stopped trusting them.

    Its yet another variation on the bullshit "clinton murders" conspiracy theory and not only is it intellectually bankrupt it is demeaning to Mr Rich himself, making his death into a tool to diminish his own work and political beliefs.

    If you're saying there's no proof that Clinton is in any way connected, I'll agree with you. If you're saying we know who killed Seth Rich or why, I'll have to disagree. There are public facing surveillance cameras all around that area, many of which have been mapped out by volunteers. Somehow, his killer or killers have thus far avoided being identified on any of them, though it's being actively investigated. Wikileaks lost their source and then a DNC staffer happened to die. There are enough staff that this could be simply coincidental and it's not clear that even Wikileaks knows who its source was with any certainty. We won't really know anything about this until the actual killer(s) are caught.

    You can mistrust Wikileaks' motives all you want, but the email I linked to can be verified cryptographically. It's not like all the Wikileaks docs are even harmful to Clinton. They actually did have an analysts report claiming there was some video causing unrest in Benghazi at the time. We're not able to find any other evidence to support that, but they did actually have a reason to believe that particular claim, even if it appears to have been incorrect in hindsight. Also, they've started leaking items related to Trump now, but that hasn't really been noticed yet.

    1. Re:So how can you believe the Russia BS? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Which is doubly interesting given that the CIA thinks we know the Russians did the hacks (which? the DNC leaks? Podesta dump? HRC's server [which hasn't been released save for some redacted paper copies from the US Government]?) ... based not on new evidence, but on circumstantial evidence... which they won't show us.

  41. He should be fired immediately by samantha · · Score: 2

    Users will not trust Reddit headed by someone that edits their posts "because I can" for any reason whatsoever. This is more than a relatively innocent screwup. This is clear fraud and violation of the fundamental nature of Reddit. FIRE!

  42. Hmm, so who has more facts here? by Xenographic · · Score: 2

    > Everything else you wrote is bullshit conspiracy theory

    Everything else? Not going to be specific, just going to write off everything?

    I said we don't know who killed him and why. Surely you're not actually contradicting that part? Look at the police report, there's just not much there.

    Are you contradicting the part where I said there are security cameras in the area? Here's a nice list of them and maps. You can walk all around Flagler Place & W St. NW and look at them if you want. The linked thread has a picture of each one. Feel free to post your own photos showing the cameras aren't where they are shown to be.

    Now if you're saying the killer(s) were found on camera, contrary to what I said above, well, the only source I can find claiming that is Fox News and there's been nothing public about it since then as far as I know. Should I be taking their word for it? Is that the point you want to argue?

    I can go over DKIM cryptography if you want or pull the keys for you directly from the relevant DNS servers (they're still there... for now). Anyone who tries to tell you they've modified those has apparently hacked both Google and Hillary, or broken DKIM's cryptography. Do you need a lesson in exactly how to pull the keys from the DNS servers? Would you like to look at the RFC? Should we discuss what non-repudiation means and why it's important here?

    But it's probably the Wikileaks thing, right? All I've said is "this is what Wikileaks said and why." I can only really go on what they've said, which is that they don't know who their sources are exactly. This implies that the only way they know a source is gone is that they cannot contact them any longer. There are surely many ways for this to be purely coincidental and I've said as much. But that puts you in the position of not disagreeing with something I said, but something I said someone else said. And they certainly did say what they said, you can go read it on the Wikileaks Twitter account if you wish.

    Perhaps you are you disagreeing with the parts where I said Clinton didn't actually lie? You weren't very specific, you know. I pretty much have to guess here.

    So please identify the specific item(s) you're disagreeing with here. I have specific, public sources that I have linked to. And if you're going to natter on about conspiracies based on "literally no evidence" please actually talk about the evidence I have presented instead of pretending you can't see it. Or make sure you disagree with claims I've actually made, not something someone else said.

    As you may note, my posts above did not say that Clinton did anything to Seth Rich, nor have I alleged any direct evidence thereof, I just pointed out that people, like Wikileaks, have been suspicious, which is demonstrably true however much you hate them for it.

    1. Re:Hmm, so who has more facts here? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      You're reading too much into things, then. Your definition of "factless" also needs work given that I've given verifiable sources for my statements while you have yet to pick out even one single statement to confront head on, presumably because the ones you wish to confront aren't things I've actually said...

    2. Re:Hmm, so who has more facts here? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > What part of irrelevant do you fail to understand?

      It was relevant--to the charges you made of having posted something not true or not supported by fact.

      I never said it proved anything about Hillary Clinton. Quite the opposite, in fact.

      Anyhow, it's clear that you're reading what you imagined I would say and not what I've actually said, so I don't suppose there's any reason to reply further at this point.

  43. Too Much Authority by KYPackrat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A few months ago, our CEO lost badge access to our main data center. That was his pride and joy, and now he needs an escort in, because his job doesn't involve any requirement to work inside the room.

    If you are a content provider, you probably need one or two people who are capable of editing any post, so that you can fix problems. However, there is no way that the CEO should have that kind of power. The fact that the CEO can just randomly edit content anywhere on the site, without auditing or accountability means that there is a culture out of control.

  44. Monumental Opsec failure by fearofdecaf · · Score: 2

    There is no legitimate reason the CEO of a company should have administrative access to that data and editing privileges in the first place. Not once you have more than three employees anyhow.

    I'd question why the capacity for an administrator to directly edit all users post data exists in the first place when you already have options to delete or hide the content. If there isn't the function built into the management interface and someone is directly editing the database contents, that's even worse.

    The whole thing reeks of complete dysfuction at an operational level. No CEO should have that kind of access in the first place, let alone after they've demonstrated they can't be trusted not to use it recklessly.

  45. it's illegal, mispresenting and .. stupid. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    it's illegal, mispresenting and .. stupid.

    "editing" opinional content is the worst thing ever a content publishing site can do. how about game reviews? movie reviews?

    instead of editing he should have posted that everyone who believed in pizzagate were stupid as fuck.

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  46. Re:Ash-Fox: "In a real sense, we were Gods..." by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    I also know it's you giving me guff on my sports stuff

    You "know" incorrectly.

    just as you did on my comp. sci. ones

    You mean how I told you repeatedly that the power usage of a DNS server doesn't seem to effect the wattage on my computers nor routers?

    What is your problem?

    You are malicious and are the very antithesis of the cure you're claiming to be.

    I think so, lol...

    Considering you were wrong about about "knowing" about who is behind those posts, it's not suprising you're wrong agin.

    That's my point here...

    I'm afraid, Mr. Kowalski, your hosts files will not protect you from clarinet hackers.

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  47. LMAO by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Oh, this is one of the "elitist" that GOT CAUGHT doing something that if it were anyone else, would be saying off with their heads. Now that the tables have been turned, he wants forgiveness?

  48. Re:Glad he did it by kuzb · · Score: 1

    ...and earned....

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  49. Re:U admit DNSware eats more moving goalposts by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    (One not in favor of locally installed DNS in DNS software added on)

    I actually explained to you how the local dns cache on some linux distros are actually fully blown DNS servers and with a slight modification it does what I told you too.

    You "up" that in routers WHICH YOU SUDDENLY SWITCHED TO!

    Yes! Sometimes we get new hardware, like routers and refactor how things work at home. What an amazing ability! I'm not trapped in the past using hosts files like you are. You can't even acknowledge that your stuff doesn't even work on game consoles (speaking of which, I'm getting the Switch when it comes out), mobile phones etc.

    Lameness filter hating your TCP-UDP exerpt

    No it doesn't, otherwise the wattage would increase in my equipment.

    P.S.=> The problem is, I know your secret, Mr. Kowalski. You see, I can speak Polish and I know you're really Mr. Smith, or should we say... Agent Smith. No matter how many sockpuppet agents you send, you will never win.

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  50. Re:Routers = security issue riddled like DNS by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    It's IMPOSSIBLE to say DNS doesn't eat more (gb's of RAM) locally installed

    Hey look, it's full of Windows 2008 issues, an operating system that ended mainstream support in 2015 and I specifically mentioned "Linux distributions" that already included a DNS server by default as a resolver, you go in the completely wrong direction.

    Only mb's in comparison to GB's on DNS!

    Wrong, I have disproven this repeatedly by showing you that blocking an entire domain is a one liner in a DNS zone record, meanwhile it's taking almost a terabyte of a file to generate all possible subdomains for just one domain that, even on your preferred operating system, won't load and breaks.

    When you charge & use more RAM, you eat MORE power

    Again, I told you when I stopped the DNS server, I saw no drop in wattage in my socket wattage reader, at all.

    DNScache

    You forgot to mention how Windows won't load hosts files as large as the multi-GB ones I generated to block just ONE entire domain.

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  51. ADBLOCK reddit by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    It's the only thing these assholes will understand.

  52. Re:Glad he did it by Maritz · · Score: 1

    I could care less what happens to them.

    Unless you live in opposite land, please fight the stupid and say "couldn't care less", because that is what you actually fucking mean.

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  53. Re:It's easier if you know there are 3 sets of lea by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Okay, I stand corrected. As I understand it, eventually ALL (recoverable) emails on the server were put under subpoena, and thus subject to judicial review. Now, whether the personal emails will all be released to the public and/or 'Ghazi committee, I don't know. I see no reason why the Ghazi committee or public needs to know about her yogurt and yoga and thus see no reason why a judge would approve publication of such.

  54. Re:DNS eats more (gb's vs. hosts = mb's) by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    Agent Smith, as per usual, you are drifting from topic to topic. The fact is, your solution isn't blocking your own ads. You've proved in your recent replies to me how you keep dossiers on everyone and try to use them against people. You are one of the most malicious advertisers I've ever encountered.

    Nie wolno.

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  55. Re:OH NOES! by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    He didn't do anything "against Trump", I seriously doubt Trump has any knowledge of what's going on; at least not until now. Technically, the only time something is a 1st Amendment "free speech" issue is when the censorship is by the government, not by a private entity or corp. Regardless, the situation "over all" is not "fine". If it was such a big deal to him, he should have just killed off the thread, accounts, etc instead of manipulating the posts.

    But if these users are followers of KeK, then this is a good lesson on using Chaos magick. There will always be repercussions that manifest like this. You might get your digital reality to break through IRL, but there will be a personal cost to pay eventually. The "Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will" is full of pitfalls and deep shadows.

  56. Re:OH NOES! by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    I said "when", implying something that might happen in the future. It's not a conspiracy, I'm not claiming that anything like that is happening right now. Just that, looking over how "strong personality" type of governments go, it's highly possible. At the moment Trump isn't controlling any of this on social media, at least not via Reddit that I know of. Steve Bannon, on the other hand, is a pretty rabid racist who IS a "conspiracy theorist" and uses social media...does he specifically use Reddit? I don't know. Micheal Flynn Jr. referenced #pizzagate, which is from Reddit, and WAS General Flynn's Chief of Staff. That's no conspiracy, that's out in the open off Twitter: "Until #Pizzagate proven to be false, it'll remain a story. The left seems to forget #PodestaEmails and the many "coincidences" tied to it."

    Trump could reign all this in, before it grows into manifestation again. The "Followers of KeK" are playing with fire in a metaphysical, occult sense. This too follows the same lineage as Welteislehre, Sangue e Spirito, and other "background occult movements" that form around authoritarian leaders.

  57. Re:You've been completely offtopic trolling by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    It's all you do

    People can check my posting history and see that, that is not all what I do.

    Often behind my back when I'm not around &/or off-topic like here now!

    How on Earth am I supposed to know when you're around or not? You're being ridiculous.

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  58. Re:It's all you do to me admitted troll by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    Nice off topic post, but let's get back to the topic since you insist so much on it.

    Your solution does not block your ads, which happen to be by a malicious advertiser that collects information on users in dossiers and attempts to use it against them, as can be seen above with your posts.

    I don't care if you are salty about some of my posts, but that is the reality behind it. You are that which you claim to be protecting people from.

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  59. Re:U supply ammo doing it to yerself by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    can't deny you've trolled me repeatedly

    You have no idea what trolling is. You confuse baiting, flaming and trivial dismissal as trolling. Here is something you should know, APK -- I have yet to even try to troll you.

    I can clearly see you are incapable of decent reading comprehention, which means any sort of interesting troll would be completely wasted on you. You can't even grasp the thought experiments in our previous discussions.

    Now, back to the subject, since you insist:

    Your solution does not block your ads, which happen to be by a malicious advertiser that collects information on users in dossiers and attempts to use it against them, as can be seen above with your posts.

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  60. Re:LOL: U prove you're a pro @ trolling by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    trolling me only to have me do things you NEVER can or will

    You think I fantasize about making an application that edits a text file and have some PC magazine in 1999 award it top utility of the year award or proud that some megacorp paid me to write a document for them?

    Haha, yeah, I guess I could never be well known for writing a very specific text editor for editing a very specific file!

    YOU provide the ammo for my "dossiers" (you can't stand that, can you?

    I think it's funny because you only prove my point every time you post it.

    Now back to the subject at hand:

    Your solution does not block your ads, which happen to be by a malicious advertiser that collects information on users in dossiers and attempts to use it against them, as can be seen above with your posts.

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    Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  61. Re:Who on /. speaks well of YOUR code AssFox? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    Who on /. speaks well of YOUR code AssFox?

    I don't fish for compliments and base my entire value based on what other people say.

    how about you "AssFox" (lol)?

    Name calling, so witty!

    You can TRY belittle me but facts

    I just read YT's comments you linked. Yeah, sounds pretty much what you do with every other argument. YT isn't wrong.

    Following what YT says about you not answering, I have to restate this:

    Your solution does not block your ads, which happen to be by a malicious advertiser that collects information on users in dossiers and attempts to use it against them, as can be seen above with your posts.

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  62. Re:OH NOES! by penandpaper · · Score: 1

    lol, I see. You give yourself some wiggle room in your wording to say "I am not one of those conspiritards". I am not going to defend anyone's actions but my own and from what I can tell with your last two posts; you are looking for conspiracies that conform to your notion of biased reality. The best conspiracies are the ones with grains of truth sprinkled throughout.

    I don't think the US is immune from nazi escapades but I am optimistic that the checks and balances, separation of power, and the prescient fear of tyranny built into our system of government will make such escapades difficult to say the least. Crying wolf over and over again does more to enable tyrannic escapades than a populist like Trump because when that shit hits the fan, no one will listen to you. Case in point. Trump. Romney was sexist because 'binders of women'. Anyone who didn't' vote for Obama is racist. Anyone who didn't vote Clinton is sexist. Trump is a nazi with brown-shirts. If you wonder why people don't listen to news, there are a few safe bets.

    Stop conjecturing "might" and "when" to get the conspirtard high with wording to avoid the conspirtard nuttery.

  63. Re:Ash-Fox trolling evasions? LMAO! by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    FACT: /.'ers like my code

    That's not really a fact. You have such a tiny portion of users in there. I'm a /.er and I don't even know your code and I imagine I won't like it either if I do see it.

    * Nothing, right?

    On slashdot? Probably not. But, I don't exactly consider Slashdot an authority on anything, it's specific individuals that fulfil that for me - You aren't really an authority on anything in my eyes. Besides, even if I did care for compliments and base my entire value based on what other people say, /. wouldn't be the first place I'd even look to get that value.

    Now, as you have gone off topic again, let's go back on topic:

    Your solution does not block your ads, which happen to be by a malicious advertiser that collects information on users in dossiers and attempts to use it against them, as can be seen above with your posts.

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    Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  64. So facts make you angry? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    If someone posting verifiable facts makes you uncomfortable, it says more about you than it does about me.

  65. Re:OH NOES! by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    I'll feed you a bit more troll. I'm not "looking" for any conspiracy. All people's notions of reality are "biased". My extrapolation of potential future events is based on history; it's not my fault that historically groups like that tend to form around divisive figures such as Trump.

    As for "checks and balances", that ideal has already been destroyed in this instance by the denial of allowing a sitting President to place a Supreme Court justice. That is a fundamental part of "our system of government" that was blocked. I agree with you about the group mind conditioning about "crying wolf"; that too is part of how the Followers of Kek work by placing their charged symbologies into far-reaching public views.

    Your logical fallacies of implying what I said includes anything about Romney, racisism, Obama, Clinton, etc is atrocious. Your claiming because other people said ABC, and what I said resembles ABC, then we are both implying XYZ is also true. I don't think, and have NEVER claimed (in my last two posts here, on any post I've ever made anywhere, or IRL) that "anyone who didn't vote for Clinton is sexist" and your committing a false attribution. Personally I think she was a horrible choice for a popular election candidate and has too much baggage and an inappropriate (the nicest word I can think of) public demeanor to be President. I've never even given a second thought to Romney's "binders of women". SOME people didn't vote for Obama because they ARE racist, but I would never postulate that is the "main" reason people didn't vote for him. Most who voted against him did so based on his past political agenda and stated policies; only a few where taken in by the "birther" conspiracy stuff. Unfortunately, the main public proponent of that conspiracy is now President-elect.

    As for conjecturing specific words, the words "might" and "when" aren't even IN my original post. That's your conjecture, not mine. Just like your logical fallacy of associating my "conspiracy" prediction with other people's assumptions of past candidates. As for my prediction, there are already incidents happening of people getting confrontational with others in regards to Trump's statements. Just do a search of "video trump supporters" with "visa" "deportation" "airplane" etc. These are the seeds of the "5th column" vigilante group I was originally speaking about. They have yet to sprout into a true organization; I can only hope those "checks and balances" can stop that from happening.

  66. Re:OH NOES! by penandpaper · · Score: 1

    nom nom nom nom. trollololol. Feed me Seymour. Although, that plant could be a great troll mascot.

    The Senate not confirming an appointment isn't destroying a fundamental part of our system of government. It is one of the checks and balances and there is no specific reason to have 9 judges and there has been varying number of judges on the court at various times. Obama nominated and the Senate gave advice "no one from you" and refused consent. Both branches have to agree to get a new judge and if one refuses consent all that means is that we have 1 less judge on the court until they can agree. It's only an issue for a 4-4 vote split which just means that the lower courts ruling stands.

    I was using Romney Obama etc as examples of wolf crying that has partly led to Trump. It wasn't something I was specifically pinning on you except for wolf crying and I probably botched conveying that. Trump is a reaction, a bad one at that, to the failure of media (that cried those wolves the most) and the left (that created those wolves).

    Those vigilantes are a minority and on both sides. Just like people beating up Trump supporters for voting Trump. When something actually happens that is dangerous I will be right there to fight it to defend those checks and balances but your first comment was really over the top.