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Londoners Tests A Self-Driving Beer Tap And An AI-Assisted Brewery (gizmodo.co.uk)

At a bar in London, they're now testing the prototype for a self-driving beer tap, according to drunkdrone. Gizmodo UK reports: All you need to do is select your pint of choice on the touchscreen, pay with a tap of your contactless card and stick your pint glass at its base. The pump contains an electronic valve, which opens to allow beer to flow through. A liquid flow meter ensures the right amount of good stuff comes out.
Meanwhile, Bloomberg is also reporting on a London startup that's brewing beer with a special algorithm that constantly modifies the percentage of each ingredient -- hops, water, yeast and grain -- based on ongoing customer feedback. Levels of carbonation, bitterness and alcohol content all change based on how people are responding... The algorithm produces new recipes every month incorporating the feedback. "There are too many brands out there that just have one recipe for a beer, and they've had it for 60 years," said Hew Leith, co-founder of IntelligentX, the maker of the beer appropriately named AI. "We're not about that. We're about using data to listen to our customers, get all that feedback, and then brew something that's more attuned to what they actually want and need."
He believes the same process could also be used to design perfume, chocolate, and coffee.

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  1. but what about... by diesalesmandie · · Score: 1

    "let me have something stronger!" and then fall on your face after a few more, unless they are monitoring the blood alcohol content of each customer this is just a retarded exercise in AI, and a dangerous one...not trying to sound like a killjoy I love getting smashed, but this shouldn't be a replacement for a sober bartender

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    1. Re:but what about... by Namarrgon · · Score: 2

      Did you know it's now possible to buy cheap vodka and OP rum, take it home, and drink as much as you like?

      And this isn't a vending machine on the street. There'd be a human required in the bar, if only to refuse service to minors.

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    2. Re:but what about... by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      "let me have something stronger!" and then fall on your face after a few more, unless they are monitoring the blood alcohol content of each customer this is just a retarded exercise in AI, and a dangerous one...not trying to sound like a killjoy I love getting smashed, but this shouldn't be a replacement for a sober bartender

      I'm not sure where you are located but I've never seen a bartender or waitress refuse to serve a paying customer and even if they did, many times the person doing the ordering is grabbing something for a friend, ordering for the entire group, etc... Granted I live in a college town but most actual bars I've been to are so packed with sloshed people with barely room to move around that trying to figure out who is still sober and who might have had one too many would be near impossible. It's not like the movies where there are 6 people with 8 barstools. It's more like 300 people with 8 barstools.

    3. Re:but what about... by DownWithTheMan · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure where you are located but I've never seen a bartender or waitress refuse to serve a paying customer and even if they did, many times the person doing the ordering is grabbing something for a friend, ordering for the entire group, etc...

      I've seen it happen at bars and clubs, though it's more common that the person is being 86'd by the bouncer because they couldn't keep their head off the table/bar or were obnoxiously drunk. I've also seen liquor store clerks turn sales away because they could smell alcohol on the customer's breath. I've also seen flight attendants refuse to serve drunk passengers on airplanes. Lots of US state and cities have what are called SIP (Sales to Intoxicated Person) laws.

      Selling alcohol to an intoxicated person

    4. Re:but what about... by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      In college towns, establishments cater to those who have not yet learned to handle a potent drug.

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    5. Re:but what about... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I don't think it'll end up quite that badly, but there is definitely an issue with a lot of people just wanting to "get hammered" and equating ABV with quality. I've talked to people who would refuse a 3.5-4% beer, even though it tastes amazing, because "don't give that weak-ass pussy bullshit, I want a REAL MAN's beer!".

      My point is, don't necessarily give people exactly what they want, because they'll just ask for stronger beer with a taste that's inoffensive and bland. It's much more fun to explore unknown tastes and maybe discover something surprisingly that you never would have asked for directly.

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    6. Re:but what about... by hipp5 · · Score: 1

      Did you know it's now possible to buy cheap vodka and OP rum, take it home, and drink as much as you like?

      And this isn't a vending machine on the street. There'd be a human required in the bar, if only to refuse service to minors.

      The difference is liability. At least where I live, bars are liable for their patrons. They are not permitted to serve visibly drunk patrons, and bars have certainly had license suspensions for doing so. If someone gets blackout drunk at a bar and then on the way home crashes their car into a school bus full of nuns, the bar can be held liable. Yeah, you can drink as much as you like at home, but then liability is on you, not the bar.

    7. Re:but what about... by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

      Be easy enough for an overseeing human to blacklist a patron's card for a few hours. For that matter, the dispenser could also count rounds and start asking simple maths questions to judge sobriety (of course there are ways around that, but it'd likely be enough to avoid liability, and there are ways around a human barkeep too, like getting your less-drunk mates to buy for you).

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  2. What's to stop.. by toonces33 · · Score: 2

    What's to stop people from going online and submitting bogus feedback. For example, demanding so much carbonation that all you ever get is a glass of foam?

    1. Re:What's to stop.. by glitch! · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. "Let's trick the AI to brew an IPA, except with dark malt and a hint of peppermint!"

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    2. Re:What's to stop.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Robust statistics?

    3. Re:What's to stop.. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Every one knows all statistical studies is thrown out the window when someone gives fake information.

      Someday our mathematicians will come up with a way to remove outliers. Until then we will never be allowed to use self reported studies. Or studies that have bad data. /s

    4. Re:What's to stop.. by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

      Black IPAs are delicious, and apparently popular even with peppermint.

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    5. Re:What's to stop.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      The IPA fad is the worst thing that happened to the quality of beermaking since prohibition.

      We have the assholes at Dogfish Head brewery to blame for sparking the craze for overhopped, unbalanced IPAs that have crowded out all the other options at far too many taps at alehouses around the U.S. Just because a beer is bitter doesn't mean it tastes good.

    6. Re:What's to stop.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because a beer is bitter doesn't mean it tastes good.

      WRONG

    7. Re:What's to stop.. by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      What's to stop people from going online and submitting bogus feedback. For example, demanding so much carbonation that all you ever get is a glass of foam?

      No one would ever decide to mess with AI to get strange results. Just ask Microsoft...

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    8. Re:What's to stop.. by GuB-42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      A good way is to limit feedback to those who actually buy it. 1 beer, 1 feedback, no more.
      This way, the feedback will come mostly from people who actually want good beer. There are also techniques to weed out fake reviews. Actual feedback follow statistical laws and large deviations can be ignored.

    9. Re:What's to stop.. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      What's to stop people from going online and submitting bogus feedback. For example, demanding so much carbonation that all you ever get is a glass of foam?

      Yup, and even if people give honest reviews, what happens when they demand an IPA taste like Budweiser?

      This sounds like a fad - I hope. I enjoy the interaction between the staff and myself, and my better half is prone to getting into long conversations with them. A robot that serves me beer that I have to take an online survey about is not a bar I would go to.

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    10. Re:What's to stop.. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. "Let's trick the AI to brew an IPA, except with dark malt and a hint of peppermint!"

      Why on earth would a brewpub ever want to change composition of it's products? I suppose if a beer really sucked, it might be good feedback, but there are a lot of tastes, and changeing a beer to suit some people will just piss some others off because they miss a flavor profile they cant get any more.

      I like the idea of a lager IPA with no hops blonde Stout.

      Or a heavily noble hopped Scottish lager that's been let sit under a UV light for a month.

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    11. Re:What's to stop.. by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I don't think it even needs deliberate manipulation to fail. Without a constant taste, people who want a guaranteed beer that fits their palette will stick with known traditional brews. The only people in the feedback loop will be hipsters who know nothing about beer but want to pretend they are on the edge of the next revolution that the masses haven't picked up on yet. Positive feedback will be for anything that goes against the mainstream, and not necessarily have anything to do with quality.

    12. Re: What's to stop.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.theonion.com/article/malicious-focus-group-convinces-marketers-cinnamon-53676

    13. Re: What's to stop.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BDDoS!

    14. Re:What's to stop.. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I'm finding it hard to find anything that goes worse with beer than mint.

      I'm limiting my pool to things that are actually edible, but some things that aren't (wood, perspex, cement) would still taste better.

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    15. Re:What's to stop.. by Jack_the_Tripper · · Score: 1

      IIRC it was apricot beer...

    16. Re:What's to stop.. by Shoten · · Score: 1

      What's to stop people from going online and submitting bogus feedback. For example, demanding so much carbonation that all you ever get is a glass of foam?

      I don't think there's a problem with this happening...especially if it does happen. Why? Because if that many people deliberately sabotage the outcome, then that's what people want...and the market has succeeded. Right?

      What I think is more likely is this: different people have different tastes in beer. Because (I presume) the input would be provided anonymously, you've got a situation where you can't tell when the population giving you feedback changes. So you end up with something akin to shifting winds that are difficult to follow instead of usable machine-learning input.

      Another thing that I would hope it does is direct users...they will produce four types of beer. What if what a person asks for from Beer #1 is actually much like what Beer #2 already is? In that case, I would drop the data set and politely recommend that the person try Beer #2, to prevent accidental convergence between any of the four styles.

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    17. Re:What's to stop.. by smallfries · · Score: 1

      No body wants to mess with microsoft AIs - they're all closet nazis.

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    18. Re:What's to stop.. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Just because a beer is bitter doesn't mean it tastes good.

      WRONG

      Just because a beer drinker is bitter doesn't mean that he's right.

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    19. Re:What's to stop.. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Let me introduce you to a warm, foamy mug of Bear Whiz Beer. It's in the water!

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    20. Re:What's to stop.. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Ha! Imagine your typical college town. Imagine your typical college kids; don't really know what tastes good (okinawa jungle juice anyone?), and further want to mess with the system, because they can. It won't be long 'til we have koolaid grape flavored beer.

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    21. Re: What's to stop.. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      http://www.theonion.com/article/malicious-focus-group-convinces-marketers-cinnamon-53676

      That's well done.

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    22. Re:What's to stop.. by glitch! · · Score: 1

      I like the idea of a lager IPA with no hops blonde Stout.

      Interesting. I might like that. I know I liked Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout. When I could find it and had money in my pocket.

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    23. Re:What's to stop.. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I like the idea of a lager IPA with no hops blonde Stout.

      Interesting. I might like that. I know I liked Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout. When I could find it and had money in my pocket.

      Oatmeal stout has this nice texture to it from the dextrose in it. It's a good drink.

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    24. Re:What's to stop.. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      a heavily noble hopped Scottish lager that's been let sit under a UV light for a month.

      Ah, warm Tennent's Super...truly the breakfast of champions.

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    25. Re:What's to stop.. by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      No, 1 beer = 1 review will just get you a taste that's determined by the people who drink tons of beer to get plastered, instead of the people who buy one beer and spend some time enjoying it.

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    26. Re:What's to stop.. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      a heavily noble hopped Scottish lager that's been let sit under a UV light for a month.

      Ah, warm Tennent's Super...truly the breakfast of champions.

      One time in Canada, I opened a bottle of Grolsch that had been setting under the lights for a long time, and it cleared the hotel room in 10 seconds, skunked to high heaven! Which is why for beers like Heineken, Becks and Grolsch, the old wisdom of only drinking from bottled beer goes away.

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  3. George Thorogood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pay more to drink alone!

  4. proves that no wait staff wants to by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    serve the NO Tipping cheap beer drinkers. install the distraction dispenser far away from the most valuable bar "real estate".

    1. Re:proves that no wait staff wants to by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      just move the drunks to the fruit machine with lowest pay out % they will lose way more then unpaid tips.

    2. Re:proves that no wait staff wants to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just move the drunks to the fruit machine with lowest pay out % they will lose way more then unpaid tips.

      What?

    3. Re: proves that no wait staff wants to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the UK. Tipping those who serve your beer is unusual.

      However, I don't see how this is any more 'self-driving' than a 40 year-old hot drinks machine, or is anything with a button on 'self-driving' now?

  5. Sorry, but I'm civilized by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    Those shits in the UK want to get rid of bartenders? Screw that. Who's gonna take my keys away and tell me my wife is being kind of a bitch and that I should lay down the law at home? Maybe the British should focus on inventing a self-driving dentist first, huh?

    Anyway, they drink that shit warm over in England, so I don't think we should follow their lead on anything. It's no wonder their "football" players collapse in a screaming heap whenever the opposing team so much as breathes on them.

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    1. Re: Sorry, but I'm civilized by nigelo · · Score: 1

      Miserable little rat-faced pope-git.

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    2. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by digitig · · Score: 1

      1. I saw one of those automatic beer taps at Hong Kong Airport. It still needed staffing, to make sure nobody who looked underage used it.

      2. No, we drink it cold over here. Just not so cold you can't taste it (because our beer is worth tasting).

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    3. Re: Sorry, but I'm civilized by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Shut it, ye buftie coont ar I'll put me boot up yer arse.

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    4. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      2. No, we drink it cold over here. Just not so cold you can't taste it (because our beer is worth tasting).

      Don't lie. You drink it at room temperature because Lucas makes you refrigerators...

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    5. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by mrbester · · Score: 1

      We drink ale over here, and not at room temperature. We don't call the superchilled tasteless low alcohol content diluted horse piss you drink beer.

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    6. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We drink piss over here, and not at room temperature. We don't know what real beer is.

      Number craft breweries in the United States 2,768

    7. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Number of americans drinking craft beer: 2,768

    8. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      We don't call the superchilled tasteless low alcohol content diluted horse piss you drink beer.

      Tell you what: we settle this like men. You line up your best football team against our best football team and we'll see who walks out of the stadium.

      I will you give you one thing, though: your football fight songs are the best in the world. I have to tip my hat to the only team on Earth that has a fight song that's in 6/8 time.

      https://youtu.be/XlP9KGjqXf4

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    9. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Those shits in the UK want to get rid of bartenders? Screw that. Who's gonna take my keys away and tell me my wife is being kind of a bitch and that I should lay down the law at home? Maybe the British should focus on inventing a self-driving dentist first, huh?

      Oh..... BURN!

      Anyway, they drink that shit warm over in England, so I don't think we should follow their lead on anything. It's no wonder their "football" players collapse in a screaming heap whenever the opposing team so much as breathes on them.

      This seems like such a bitched up idea that It reminds me of an April Fools story. I'm not all that talkative, but some banal pleasantries with a barkeep or waitstaff is just a part of the experience. Where we go, it's enjoyable and informative to chat with the person about what they think about a particular beer or liquor.

      So they are gonna trade this pleasant experience with a Robot that will serve you advertisements, will share what you are drinking with your Facebook page, your OHR, and law enforcement.

      But does the robot have nice tits?

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    10. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      We drink ale over here, and not at room temperature. We don't call the superchilled tasteless low alcohol content diluted horse piss you drink beer.

      Yeah - ummm, You need to come over and try some of our Horse Piss beer. Presumably you are referring to BudMillerCoors. That shit is mainly for College student who just want to get pissed. I don't drink beer by country, but the proper beer that 'Murrica brews is the equal of anything brewed anywhere as far as quality goes. Ironically, my lawnmower beer is British,

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    11. Re: Sorry, but I'm civilized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add face recognition and access a database of everyone on the world to check age and the job's a good 'un, plus you can keep a tally and (insert dalek voice) "you've already had enough, mate, and you've got work in the morning. How about a nice orange juice, or a coffee from my associate Mr. Tassimo."

    12. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are the big fat puffters going to keep their spacesuits on?

    13. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Are the big fat puffters going to keep their spacesuits on?

      That depends. Are the skinny little bufties gonna keep their short-shorts and knee socks on? They look like refugees from 1970s gay porn.

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    14. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by mrbester · · Score: 1

      You're talking about "craft" beer, so called to differentiate it from so-called "beer" (the BudMillerCoors variety). I have no problem with that. It's the vague not-quite-lager that claims to be beer I'm not keen on, something I think we both agree about.

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    15. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by mrbester · · Score: 1

      We don't tend to play the kind of sports that require personal crumple zones, but we sent over a rugby team who won a game of American Football to show you bunch of prissy nancies how real men play contact sports.

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    16. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      At least the rugby players look like refugees from 80's gay porn. A little more swole and more body hair.

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    17. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      AKA "The (Beer) Shot Heard 'Round the World"

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    18. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You're talking about "craft" beer, so called to differentiate it from so-called "beer" (the BudMillerCoors variety). I have no problem with that. It's the vague not-quite-lager that claims to be beer I'm not keen on, something I think we both agree about.

      The only positive thing I have to say about the Budweiser type light lager is that it is a very impressive example of consistency. Not good, but the same lame taste and aftereffects from every bottle. Or as my late departed mother would call them "PeeWaa".

      My lawnmower beer? Newcastle. Hot from a hard day's work and it's enough taste to let you know you're drinking beer, but not heavy. The second one tastes just as good.

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    19. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      America has a great wealth of craft brews and an equally amazing wealth of bourbons and ryes and other forms of whiskey.

      It's just such a shame that your mainstream junk BudMillerCoors, Jack Daniels Old No. 7 (Gentleman Jack is great, though), Jim Beam and so on tends to completely overshadow it.

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    20. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by mjwx · · Score: 1

      2. No, we drink it cold over here. Just not so cold you can't taste it (because our beer is worth tasting).

      Don't lie. You drink it at room temperature because Lucas makes you refrigerators...

      Actually, real ale is served slightly below room temperature this can be anywhere up to 8ÂC (yes C, none of that F nonsense, we'll drag your measurement systems in to the 18th century kicking and screaming if we have to) this happens to be room temperature in many places because a lot of pub landlords are too miserly to turn the heat up. It isn't flat either, ale is carbonated naturally rather than by an introduced gas like a Lager (which is the closest equivalent we have to American beer here in England). Ales are a traditionally made beer designed to be flavoursome.

      Americans, you will be unfamiliar with the concept of Real Ale but it is a staple of English Drunkenness and lout culture. I dare say ordering that near frozen, over carbonated, low alcoholic, tasteless gnats piss that Americans call beer will get you turfed out of a Rough Pub faster than you say "Oi! Did you spill my pint", "Did you look at my girl" or "I'll fucking 'ave you".

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    21. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It's just such a shame that your mainstream junk BudMillerCoors, Jack Daniels Old No. 7 (Gentleman Jack is great, though), Jim Beam and so on tends to completely overshadow it.

      That would be the crowd with the only goal being to get drunk. And with the College students, get drunk cheaply.

      Natty Light. These kids managed to get drunk on that nasty stuff. Eat packaged Ramen noodles all week, and drink cases and cases of Natty Light.

      Fortunately they grow up eventually, and tend to graduate towards beverages with some taste. Life is too short to drink shitty beer.

      We can go too far, with the present race to make Tequila some sort of ultra refined smoothness. I tried a shot of Patron a year or so ago. Expensive peewaa. I like a smooth bourbon, but in my book Tequila is supposed to kick back at ya.

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    22. Re:Sorry, but I'm civilized by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Fight song? Fight songs go more like "If ye cannae dee the bouncy you're a tim" or "you're going home like Sandy Richardson".

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  6. Self-Driving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does the title and article call it a "self-driving" beer tap rather than simply "automated"? I thought this was going to be like that sequel to the Heineken walk-in fridge commercial where the guy misunderstands the request and makes a mini-fridge that walks into the living room on robot legs when summoned.

    1. Re:Self-Driving? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Why does the title and article call it a "self-driving" beer tap rather than simply "automated"?

      Because its just like airplane autopilot. Oh, wait a minute, I forgot where I was at...... BARTENDER!

    2. Re:Self-Driving? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      For the same reason people talk about open-source coffee tables and crowdfunded cardigans.

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    3. Re:Self-Driving? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Why does the title and article call it a "self-driving" beer tap rather than simply "automated"? I thought this was going to be like that sequel to the Heineken walk-in fridge commercial where the guy misunderstands the request and makes a mini-fridge that walks into the living room on robot legs when summoned.

      Hilarious. I would have loved seeing that.

      Update: So I asked the Font of All Knowlege, and eventually got the reply: "5 Funniest Heineken Adverts of All Time [HD] " https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Trigger warning: disturbing images at 1:16. Not for the weak-hearted.

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  7. You don't know beer. We know beer. Listen. by rmdingler · · Score: 1
    I don't know... some things are offering a solution to a problem you didn't know existed, therefore they're creating the fucking problem.

    And if you recall your chemistry, alcohol is a solution.

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  8. Sorry, a self-driving beer tap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would come to your house. Now that would be wonderful. Failing that, a self-driving
    growler delivery would be pretty nice too -- and probably achievable in a lot of places,
    running a known route. Just like the milkman, sort of.

  9. Laws in the us will limit this but in the UK will by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Laws in the us will limit this but in the UK they don't seem to give a dam in some pubs and the drinking age is a lot lower there.

  10. Never happening in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Why?" you may ask.

    Google "Dram Shop Liability" for your answer.

  11. best part, no tipping! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I was literally thinking it was a self-driving keg that you hail like an ice-cream truck :(

    1. Re: best part, no tipping! by thundercattt · · Score: 1

      Sweet! Just like the vending machine, I'll find a hack to get free drinks.

  12. Already done by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Informative
    We have part on in Charlottesville. Fill a card with cash, pay by the ounce of whatever you pour yourself. Every so many ounces the card locks so you have to see an attendant (this is a drunk check).

    http://drafttaproom.com/

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    1. Re:Already done by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      We have part on in Charlottesville. Fill a card with cash, pay by the ounce of whatever you pour yourself. Every so many ounces the card locks so you have to see an attendant (this is a drunk check).

      http://drafttaproom.com/

      You forgot though, the one in London is On the Internet! So it must be better.

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  13. Stop! by Doub · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Please stop slapping "self-driving" on any random news about devices totally unrelated to driving... The linked article doesn't even use the term, so it means it's some morons at /. that added it. And here I was rejoicing you stopped reposting the Hackaday crap...

    1. Re:Stop! by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it worked. If the headline had said something about a beer vending machine, would you or I have bothered to read and post a repl...Nevermind, I guess I would have read it anyways. On $rant in $rants; continue;

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  14. Prior art... by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1
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  15. Ever done any bartending? by rantrantrant · · Score: 1

    I've had a few bartending jobs, like a lot of people. It takes a while to learn how to pour each beer from each tap so that it's the right balance between looking flat a too much head. When you change a barrel, it takes a while for the new beer to settle down. I'd like to see how these beer dispensers deal with less than ideal conditions. Or do they only work well with specific beers?

    1. Re:Ever done any bartending? by Carrot007 · · Score: 1

      It's London they have it all fully flat because they think head is stealing.

      OK not everywhere but some of the worst pints I've ever had are because southerners think the sparkler is evil magic.

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    2. Re:Ever done any bartending? by bears · · Score: 1

      Sparklers are evil. Some of us prefer for the beer body to have condition, rather than have it all knocked out of the body into a load of foam by an aerosol just to please people who only drink with their eyes.

  16. old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pour your own beer is nothing new

  17. Cleaning by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    Cleaning the lines or the lack of is one of the worst things about taps. Using shared lines delivering different types of brews to the same tap would seem to compromise the taste of all the brews. Much the same way the coke free style delivery system makes your root beer taste like orange soda.

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  18. Similar already in the states in a booth by techhead79 · · Score: 1

    http://www.circle7ranch.com/tabletaps.php A place called Circle 7 Ranch already does this near St. Louis, MO

  19. Doesn't work so well in my experience by bkk_diesel · · Score: 1

    We had one of these at a bar I frequent. It didn't last long as it was prone to breaking down and surprisingly difficult to use.
    In theory it is a great idea, but many people don't know how to properly pour a beer. This would often result in a very foamy pour and unhappy customers. I don't think it lasted six months of actual use.

  20. Vending Machine by Badger+Nadgers · · Score: 1

    Film at 11.

  21. The Thirsty Bear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not exactly new: the Thirsty Bear in London has been doing this for a few years now, and it has the advantage of not being branded with a credit card company's logo.

    You get your credit/debit card linked to one of the bar's own cards, and use that all night. They have taps around the pub that allow you to pour what you want, or you can sit at your table and use a touch-screen to order food or any drinks not on tap and get it delivered to the table. You place your card on a reader to activate the tap or the touch-screen. Works really well.

    1. Re:The Thirsty Bear by bears · · Score: 1

      They're been not uncommon in Prague for years, where some places have a large screen showing the per-table drink score, and a league table for other bars in the chain across central Europe..

      As for nudging your recipe based on feedback, does these people really think the idea is new? Why do they think Guinness now brew something they call a stout which tastes like the blandest throwing lager? The process leads inexorably to bland crap, unless it gets hijacked by a few fanatics in which case you get totally unbalanced high bitterness crap.

  22. for 60 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... stick your pint glass at its base ...

    There are plastic pint cups with a magnetic valve in the base. It means the cup fills faster, from the bottom, with less foam. That would seem a suitable mechanism for a vending machine, faster delivery, a purpose-built cup means easier policing of customers plus, no magnet means no beer.

    ... and they've had it for 60 years ...

    Because buying the same thing you bought last week is a bad thing? If people wanted to buy a different (flavoured) beer every week, these breweries wouldn't have lasted 60 years. Now, with micro-brews, with some breweries selling over 100 different recipes, people can buy a different (flavoured) beer cooked by a tradesman. Why buy a beer made from a recipe written by 100 teenagers? (In most countries, 19 year-olds can drink.) 'Too many cooks spoil the broth' is an accurate adage in this case.

  23. Londoners Tests by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Londoners Tests

    They does?

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