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Microsoft Wins $927 Million Pentagon Contract To Provide Technical Support (petri.com)

Microsoft has secured a massive $927m contract to provide technical support and consultation to the United States Department of Defense. This is the latest in a series of key deals that Microsoft has won with the US military. From a report: The contract comes after the software giant Microsoft secured a deal in February 2016 with the Department of Defense (DoD) to bring Windows 10 to all 4m of its employees within a 12-month timeframe. This was the largest enterprise deal for Microsoft in the company's history. In 2013, Microsoft signed a similar deal to bring Windows 8 to 75pc of all DoD employees.

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  1. Sputnik news? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1, Troll

    Really? Cowboy Neal would have had shit fits about the Daily Mail, much less this ....

    Can't we go back to hosing some poor fool's blog?

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  2. Conflict of interest? by Calydor · · Score: 2

    Doesn't this make it in Microsoft's interest to introduce obscure, random (but ultimately harmless) annoyances into the DoD version of Win10 so they will maintain their tech support contract?

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    1. Re:Conflict of interest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And now you know why Microsoft's military contracts are what's keeping them in business.

      A broken version of Windows is worth more to them than a working one, same reason they fired a lot of their QA staff. Who needs them when they can charge the customer for the privilege of having their mission-critical systems actually work? I'm guessing they wouldn't be running Windows if they were critical, but again, the DoD is paying Microsoft nearly a billion...for Windows 10 support. It's probably on more than a few desktops.

    2. Re:Conflict of interest? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Doesn't this make it in Microsoft's interest to introduce obscure, random (but ultimately harmless) annoyances into the DoD version of Win10 so they will maintain their tech support contract?

      Even if their software was theoretically perfect there is still a huge amount of "support" to be had for such a product.

      This is no more a conflict as any other product in the world that has a support package with is, which is basically most of them.

  3. Re:Spyware by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    it's called "employee control", I think (it's a new term)...

  4. A million dollar Pentagon contract isn't cool, ... by theodp · · Score: 1

    ...you know what's cool? A billion dollar Pentagon contract!

  5. And which outsourced company gets MS's contract by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    to handle support for that now? MS is NOT going to do this, but WILL outsource. Let us not try to kid anybody, not in the Trump universe, where shit rolls fast and truth goes into the crapper!

  6. No real alternatives.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sadly there are no real alternatives to Windows. OSX (if you're willing to pay the Apple tax) is terrible in a managed environment, and so is Linux. AD with Office+Exchange is quite unbeatable in terms of convenience. You can cobble together something in OSX/Linux just like you can use an Arduino as a PLC to run a manufacturing plant, but its going to be brittle.

    1. Re:No real alternatives.. by mlts · · Score: 1

      I would assert that this is the case as well. For massive numbers of Windows boxes, GPOs and policies are the best way out there to keep everything under control. Tools like SCCM and SCOM don't hurt either, especially when it comes to ensuring consistency of patches across large numbers of machines.

      This isn't to say that CM tools like Puppet, Chef, et. al., don't have their place, but for desktops, the management tools available for Windows arguably suck the least.

    2. Re:No real alternatives.. by JoePete · · Score: 1

      Personally, I know of no individual or organization who abandoned the MS world and ever went back. I can't find a single performance or financial metric in favor of MS over a Linux distro. I think it is 50 percent fear and 50 percent conformity that drives the MS market share, which likely explains why the DoD is so gung ho on MS junk.

    3. Re:No real alternatives.. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Personally, I know of no individual or organization who abandoned the MS world and ever went back. I can't find a single performance or financial metric in favor of MS over a Linux distro. I think it is 50 percent fear and 50 percent conformity that drives the MS market share, which likely explains why the DoD is so gung ho on MS junk.

      Really? I know very VERY many individuals. The era of cheap Netbooks and their failures would be a great example of millions upon millions of people who bought Linux and then reverted to Windows.

      On the organisation side of things you're right, but that's because IT departments are by-n-large actually competent enough to do a feasibility study on such a migration... unlike you who writes it off as fear and conformity despite the very clear case that Linux has little to no possibility to manage a truly large scale user deployment in any way comparable to Group Policy + Exchange.

      Linux is great, but the fanboyism that is "Linux is the best at everything and no one would ever switch away from it, and only idiots wouldn't use it in the first place" attitudes do far more harm to its adoption than good. Get concrete, do a feasibility study, recognise that it has some very real weaknesses so people get them addressed and then maybe adoption will increase.

    4. Re:No real alternatives.. by JoePete · · Score: 1

      The Netbooks example can be attributed probably more to hardware than software. Certainly we can find plenty of people who ventured into cheap hardware, which ran MS products (e-Machines anyone?) only to find that not only did the hardware fail, but due to the MS licensing, if they had to replace a failed drive, they had to purchase a new MS license (again e-machines). As to feasibility, it depends on the industry. However, in my experience, with one exception (an organization that used a very specialized software package for manufacturing), organizations were able to transition from Windows to something like Ubuntu with about as much disruption as moving from, say, Office 2003 to Office 2007 or Windows Vista to Windows 8, Even in a large scale environment, each desktop/laptop carries probably $150 surcharge for MS licensing. That is before accounting for requisite anti-virus, which not only costs in terms of licensing and support, but also puts a drain on hardware performance. Add to that software maintenance/upgrade costs every two years. Factored of the scale of an organization, you can be into some real money. In regard to Group Policy being the killer app for the adoption of MS, again it depends on the environment. But look at Red Hat's Spacewalk in addition to what can be done with OpenLDAP as an AD replacement.Sure, you might not have the full system management capability Group Policy offers, but then again, it's not like Group Policy works flawlessly. I have run the metrics a dozen times in a dozen different scenarios. Maybe those have been the only 12 cases where Linux makes more sense that MS, but in my experience, the math cuts very clearly. What doesn't cut clearly is the willingness of users and executive management to go out on the limb and try something new. There is value in that - if an organization is distracted by adopting a new OS and apps - it will undermine productivity.

    5. Re:No real alternatives.. by sad_ · · Score: 1

      Yes, Exchange is the poster child of convenience, i don't know that many users or admins that really like it.

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    6. Re:No real alternatives.. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The Netbooks example can be attributed probably more to hardware than software.

      Except for that niggling little statistic that the return rate of Linux netbooks was in the order of 80% and windows netbooks like 20%. Interesting given that Linux should have run faster.

      but due to the MS licensing, if they had to replace a failed drive, they had to purchase a new MS license (again e-machines).

      And yet that FUD also proved to be completely non-existent. Call the number, license renewed. This was the biggest non-event in MS's long history of events.

      organizations were able to transition from Windows to something like Ubuntu with about as much disruption as moving from, say, Office 2003 to Office 2007

      Sure. An organisation of a few people. If you think an organisation can transition from a larger DC + GP + Exchange solution to anything Linux "easily" then you're completely delusional. Such a transition costs 10s of millions of dollars in software infrastructure changes and has a sizable end user / back office training requirement too, that's not even taking into account organisational disruption as people become accustomed to a new way of doing things. This is not your "Wait 3 years then everyone will already have this software at home and the transition will be seamless" approach that you don't seem to realise how easy it truly is.

      But look at Red Hat's Spacewalk in addition to what can be done with OpenLDAP as an AD replacement.Sure, you might not have the full system management capability Group Policy offers, but then again, it's not like Group Policy works flawlessly.

      That just failed the feasibility test, especially considering the wide range of aftermarket windows management apps to cover GP's gaps which simply don't exist elsewhere.

      I have run the metrics a dozen times in a dozen different scenarios.

      And I'm sure you never managed to get it past management with those justifications. Hey everyone, it's more expensive, doesn't work as well, and will require lots of transitional effort!

      What doesn't cut clearly is the willingness of users and executive management to go out on the limb and try something new.

      Lol. Management are super keen to try new things providing they make sound financial sense and the numbers back it up. That's why working in larger organisations is often so disruptive. Hell the one I'm working in seems to change between SAP, IBM, and Oracle as a primary back end database vendor more often than I get a haircut. Maybe your math isn't as good as you think.

  7. ROI by dhuv · · Score: 1

    I hope someone is keeping track of my much money is spend on getting people running Windows 10 compared to other OSes.

    1. Re:ROI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nobody knows. I'm a fan of Linux and it has been my primary OS for decades but even I would say that supporting millions of Linux installations would be a nightmare. It used to be that if you knew what you were doing then Linux worked better than Windows on the desktop. Nowadays Linux is terrible for desktop because there is so much broken and poorly written software and drivers. Linux used to be way better 10 years ago.

    2. Re:ROI by mlts · · Score: 1

      There are CM tools. In theory, one could use Puppet or Ansible with groups of desktops. However, in general, both of these tools are "push" methods which don't work well with mobile devices or computers, while GPOs tend to be pull based, so a client behind a number of NATs would still be able to work.

    3. Re:ROI by khr · · Score: 1

      I hope someone is keeping track of my much money is spend on getting people running Windows 10 compared to other OSes.

      I'll bet Microsoft is keeping careful track of that.

    4. Re:ROI by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      As a Linux fan myself, I really wonder sometimes how things might be different if Gnome had never been made (Miguel de Icaza had been hit by a bus perhaps), and KDE had become the de facto standard Linux desktop UI instead.

      I agree, Gnome sucks.

  8. Re:A million dollar Pentagon contract isn't cool, by OffTheLip · · Score: 1

    Seriously. Close to a billion dollars in tech support so they can run an enterprise with a proposed budget of 580 billion dollars. Anyone know how that scales in comparison to what private companies spend on IT support?

  9. Re:A million dollar Pentagon contract isn't cool, by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...you know what's cool? A billion dollar Pentagon contract!

    Being that it is a Pentagon contract, it will end up costing 10 billion.

    "Do you want some fries and an F-35 with that . . . ?"

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  10. Re:Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The DoD not only gets a custom version of Windows, but they also have access to the source code. They aren't going to be worrying about the malware built-in to Windows 10 because it won't be present in their versions. Of course the DoD has their own spyware, which is what the M$ spyware will be replaced with.

    I used to do contract work for the DoD at US Air Force bases around the world. Lots of that involved installing said DoD spyware on their systems.

  11. Re:thank you users of the net for being beta teste by bmo · · Score: 1

    >perfect

    We're talking about Microsoft here...

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  12. Government Outsourcing. by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given the amount of telemetry within Microsoft OS these days, I see this as more of an outsourcing move for that whole 'cause-terrorists-think-of-the-children requirement to help address negative publicity.

    See, when the NSA spys on its own citizens and employees, it's viewed as evil and unconstitutional.

    But when Microsoft does it, it's viewed as sales and marketing.

    Gotta love how that shit works.

    1. Re:Government Outsourcing. by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      I can buy a different computer. It's hard to buy a different NSA.

      See the difference?

    2. Re:Government Outsourcing. by geekmux · · Score: 1

      NSA just needs a product...

      Ironically they don't want a secure one.

  13. Tech Support? by danbert8 · · Score: 1

    That's a lot of money to tell someone "Please turn if off and back on again and we'll see if that fixes the problem."

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    1. Re:Tech Support? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Or worse:
      CLIPPY: "I see you are trying to launch a missile. Would you like help with that?"

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    2. Re:Tech Support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is the Department of Defense. Do you work in industry? Check out DoD directives 8570 and 8140 for information. Support for the DoD need to be significantly more qualified than corporate drone tech support.

  14. Build a bad, complex operating system... by gachunt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... and then have people pay you lots of money to troubleshoot their issues.

  15. Microsoft Combat Systems technical support by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thank you for calling Microsoft Advanced Combat Systems technical support

    Please press 1 if you are in a combat situation other wise please hold for the next technician...
    beep
    Please in put your mission number...
    beep boop beep booop beeep boop beep boop beep beeep boop boop beep boop beep
    Mission verification complete we will now transfer you to a support technician... ...hold music...

    Thank you for calling Microsoft Advanced Combat Systems technical support, may name is nahmeed how may I be helping you?

    Look buddy my radar is froze up and I'm dodging a MIG 35 at the moment how about you fix this thing so I can take this sucker out.

    I'm sorry to hear about that sir what Microsoft Advanced Combat System system are you calling about?
    The radar!!
    I understand sir but we have a lot of radar systems do you know the model number?
    No! ... its the radar in the f-35.

    Ok very good sir I can look that up. please hold ... ...more hold music...
    Sir you still there ??
    Yes I am I don't know how much longer I'm going to be able to shake this MIG.
    Thats fine sir, can you tell me what firmware revision of the radar you are using?

    What?? I don't know all I know is that its stuck with the same blips thats been on the screen for the last 15 minutes and nothing has changed. Look just log in and fix it.

    I would be happy to be helping you sir. Let me know when you have landed the plane and come to a full stop and all weapon systems are in their safe position.

    Are you kidding me?? I can't land this plane right now this MIG will make mince meat of me once I stop evasive maneuvers!

    Ah I see sir unfortunately I can not help you until the planes is at a full stop and all weapons are safe.

    Is there any thing else I can be doing for you?

    Yeah how about you.... BOOM*&@!*shzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzsssssssssssss

    Sir hello are you there?
    Hello sir??
    Thank you for calling Microsoft Advanced Combat Systems technical support I hope you found this session helpful please reply to the survey at the end of this call. have a good day

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    1. Re:Microsoft Combat Systems technical support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... Have you tried turning your plane off and on again?....

    2. Re:Microsoft Combat Systems technical support by Calydor · · Score: 1

      ... Failure to complete the survey will result in a $100k administrative fee being sent to your next of kin.

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    3. Re:Microsoft Combat Systems technical support by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Similar tech support interaction: Houston

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  16. Re:M$-defence by bfpierce · · Score: 2

    https://www.penny-arcade.com/c...

    Never ceases to be true, at least to me.

  17. Does this mean they'll be hiring Americans? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Last I checked all of Microsoft's support was done in India...

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  18. Re:Trump / Putin 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Sputnik News reporting on the latest WikiLeaks dump several minutes before WikiLeaks posts its own updates.

    Looks legit, guys.

  19. Compare same time periods by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Close to a billion dollars in tech support so they can run an enterprise with a proposed budget of 580 billion dollars

    You are not comparing equal time spans. Microsoft is NOT getting a billion dollars per year. It's a billion dollar total across the duration of the contract. That could be a decade or more. The $580B number is per year for the Defense Department budget.

    Per TFA: "Microsoft has been awarded a non-competitive, firm-fixed price, single award, indefinite-delivery / indefinite-quantity contract for Microsoft Enterprise Technical Support Services,” the release stated on Tuesday. “The total cumulative value of the contract is $927,000,000.”

    1. Re:Compare same time periods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's still an unreasonable sum for any reasonable (ten years isn't) contract duration, even with "indefinite-delivery / indefinite-quantity" which for media has infinitesimal cost. For other "support services" it means what, they provide enough DoD dedicated staff to invade Canada?

  20. If you can't be the solution by sjbe · · Score: 2

    ... and then have people pay you lots of money to troubleshoot their issues.

    There is an old saying in consulting that if you can't be a part of the solution then there is a lot of money to be made in prolonging the problem.

  21. Re:M$-defence by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    sorry, but the "$" makes perfect sense in this case (we are talking about Corporate America here!)

  22. Until a tweet.... by tim620 · · Score: 1

    Just waiting for Trump to tweet.... "Tech support costs are out of control. More that $2 billion. Cancel order!"

    1. Re: Until a tweet.... by mab · · Score: 1

      $230 per user is a pretty good price

  23. Oh dear. by wjcofkc · · Score: 2

    Would you like to play a game?

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    1. Re:Oh dear. by Scoldog · · Score: 1

      How about a nice game of chess? (connects to Windows Store to download chess app)

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  24. ARS has a story on this on their homepage by npslider · · Score: 1

    http://arstechnica.com/informa...

    Highlights:
    - Indicates it's a 5-year contract
    - Requires access rights to Microsoft's proprietary (closed-source) code
    - Direct support from Microsoft's internal employees—not from outsourced contractors

  25. MS does have some nice things to offer to DoD... by mlts · · Score: 1

    With virtually every single company out there going head over heels for anything cloud related, one of the things MS brings to the table is a decent ironclad cloud offering. Server backups? DPM to an array, then to Azure. Desktops? DPM as well. AV? Endpoint Manager handles that fairly well.

    Then, there is Windows 10 LTSB, and that can be something useful, as it will not be sprouting ads or new features come every 6-12 months.

    Now, is this good or bad? Who is to day. However, MS seems to be able to step into markets and make money faster than Apple these days, not to mention offering some actual innovations that are not just RDF hype.

  26. Re:MS does have some nice things to offer to DoD.. by mlts · · Score: 1

    Correction, "who is to say" is what was meant. Is MS perfect? No. However, they have gone from dinosaur to a company which moves and evolves fast. The fact that they are able to step in and handle the DoD's needs is a good example. I'm no MS fan, but I do give them credit for being able to do what needs done.

  27. Finally, that explains all the bugs... by CAOgdin · · Score: 1

    ...in Windows 10 that remain to this day...and in 8.1 and 7.
    They used to save money (e.g., by offloading product testing off (to the unfortunate group called "Insiders.") Now they're getting paid nearly One Billion Dollars because their product is so buggy and insecure.

    What a great scam the plutocrats at the top of Microsoft have created. Now, they've "MADOFF" with our tax money by providing services to their incomplete product to the U.S. Government.

    This is why we, mere citizens, stand to lose Medicare under Trump: To pay for these kinds of schemes, to take taxpayers $$$ and redistribute them to corporations who have created the very problems they'll be paid to solve.

    Your tax money at work.

    1. Re:Finally, that explains all the bugs... by CAOgdin · · Score: 1

      Oh, and Microsoft is, no doubt, waiting for the first "change order" (which they will have built into the contract), so they'll get More money in the future for things they left out of this initial proposal. That means ratcheting up the total $$$ volume of the contract for things that will magically become "essential" once the contract starts.

      I wonder how much Drumpf gets out of this deal...

  28. Re:M$-defence by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    sorry, but the "$" makes perfect sense in this case (we are talking about Corporate America here!)

    He's probably too young to remember Compu$erve.

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  29. Great by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    A billion dollars for supporting a product that should work to begin with. Nothing wrong with fucking the taxpayers up the ass, right?

  30. Scale by DarthVain · · Score: 2

    I think it is all about scale and management at that level.

    I have no doubt moving a small to medium sized organization from MS to something else is possible.

    However when you are talking about 4M deployments across a diverse usergroup you would have to think really hard about that decision.

    1. Re:Scale by JoePete · · Score: 1

      I don't know. Due to licensing issues alone, scaling MS products is either a bear or a liability.

  31. Retail VS Corporate by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure the corporate version is likely very configurable particularly when its a 1 Billion dollar contract with the DoD to not include any telemetry they don't see fit.

    For the individual user sure, MS is going to do whatever MS is going to do.

    I've seen over the years more configurable options for folks to lock down the MS environments within the corporate setting. I've seen some aspects so locked down that they more less break certain features in the name of security or ease of support or whatever.

  32. This should be fun... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    On one hand, we have the F-35, which would have to increase its reliability by about 300% just to be called a "trailer queen". Software problems they're admitting include, "shortfalls in electronic warfare, electronic attack, shortfalls in the performance of distributed aperture system and other issues that are classifiedâ. Who knows how bad the situation really is.

    And now we're going to have Microsoft provide tech support for that (occasionally) flying bucket of pure fail?

    The jokes just write themselves. This is going to be a three ring, slapstick, dollar-sucking shitshow for the ages.

    And we're going to have a ringside seat.

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  33. Re:MS does have some nice things to offer to DoD.. by mlts · · Score: 1

    In the past, I would have said the same thing. However, when I look at the market, I wonder, what would be the real solution that someone else can offer. The only company that even comes close to having the cloud data centers, a decent client OS, application support, and some sort of framework is Apple... and Apple appears to not give a rat's ass about anything enterprise anymore.

    The ironic thing... I could see Apple nailing this contract if they had wanted to. It might have taken throwing up some FedRAMP/FISMA compliant OpenStack support for computing, but all the other puzzle pieces are in place.

  34. Big mistake by uncoveror · · Score: 1

    Now, call centers in India will be hearing from people with top secret information, and connecting to their computers, until the Chinese and Russians hack the accounts, then the Pentagon will be leaking data to them.

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  35. First order of business by WillgasM · · Score: 1

    Let's get your login linked to your microsoft account.

  36. Re:They'll sell us the rope we'll hang them with by tsqr · · Score: 1

    When Krischev predicted America would sell the Soviets the rope they would hang us with, he was far too pessemistic.

    Actually, it was Vladimir Lenin who said, "The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." On the subject of ropes and hanging, Nikita Khrushchev said, "Support by United States rulers is rather in the nature of the support that the rope gives to a hanged man." Also, learn to spell.

  37. Re:thank you users of the net for being beta teste by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Hey, don't blame Americans for this one; you're being hypocritical. It's not only Americans who use Windows; the vast majority of computer users across the world use Windows. You all have yourselves to blame. You could all decide to stop using Windows, leaving only Americans to suffer with it, and switch yourselves to Linux, but you don't; except for a few isolated places like Munich, you all still use Windows and give your money to MS.

    If you're a non-American (person, business, or government) and don't like an American company spying on you, it's pretty pathetic for you to complain when you continue to willingly use the American OS that does this.

  38. Ambition, distraction, uglification and derision by mcswell · · Score: 1

    But mostly, Win10 is uglification. Or putting it differently, if Windows were an Indiana Jones movie, then Windows 7 would star Harrison Ford; Windows 10 would star Legos.

  39. Re:M$-defence by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    yeap (#fuckingmillenials!)

  40. Sigh by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    It's a sad day for defense. Unfortunately, the people who control the budgets have no clue when it comes to reliability, and mission readiness.

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  41. Or just use Linux.....? by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

    Here is a radical idea. Just use Linux and not have to spend a dime? Most super computers use it but our DoD is using Windows? That makes sense. Doesn't matter if they have the source code or not. Matter of fact, Windows 10 is already open source, so I don't see how that means anything. Still crappy. More people actually look at the source code in the Linux community than Windows users do, even though there's a rumor that there's more Windows source code on Github. If there is a big, it'll take them forever to find it. It happens every now and then in Linux, but then you actually find out that someone found a bug in a Linux kernel, but got ignored and then you end up with Dirty Cow, which isn't that bad compared to everything else that Windows has or has had in the past. If there is a second Cold War and it is predominantly cyber attacks, we are screwed relying on Windows. Call it a cliche, but Linux and Ham radio will always win.

    1. Re: Or just use Linux.....? by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

      Replace "big" with bug. Autocorrect.

    2. Re: Or just use Linux.....? by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

      And another thing, when DoD is at the end of their rope and their systems have gone to shit and have to hire outside help, it'll be a guy popping in a CD or USB and the boot screen will say Tails or Kali. I guarantee it.

  42. For a BEELION dollars.... by vandamme · · Score: 1

    ..... Red Hat or SuSE would have come up with something a lot more secure.