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2016 MacBook Pro Fails To Receive a Recommendation From Consumer Reports (9to5mac.com)
Consumer Reports has released its evaluation of the new MacBook Pro laptops, and it's not good. The 2016 MacBook Pro is the first MacBook to fail to receive a recommendation from the nonprofit organization dedicated to unbiased product testing. 9to5Mac reports: In a post breaking down the decision not to recommend the new MacBook Pros, Consumer Reports explains that while the new models held up well in terms of display quality and performance, the battery life issues were too big of an issue to overlook. The organization tested three MacBook Pro variants: a 13-inch Touch Bar model, a 15-inch Touch Bar model, and a 13-inch model without the Touch Bar. The general consensus was that "MacBook Pro battery life results were highly inconsistent from one trial to the next." Consumer Reports explains that the 13-inch Touch Bar model saw battery life of 16 hours in one test and 3.75 hours in another, while the non-Touch Bar model maxed out at 19.5 hours, but also lasted just 4.5 hours in another test. The 15-inch model ranged from 18.5 hours to 8 hours. Generally, according to the report, it's expected for battery life to vary from one trial to another by less than 5 percent, meaning that the battery life variances with the new MacBook Pro are very abnormal. Once that was completed, Consumer Reports experimented by conducting the same test using Chrome and "found battery life to be consistently high on all six runs." While the organization can't let that affect its final decision due to its protocol to only use the first-party browser, it's something users may want to try.
Something is rotten in the state of Apple.
Hell must've frozen over. Next thing you'll tell me a reality TV star became President....
The batteries aren't big enough, and Apple's power saving features are too aggressive, leading to a situation where the slightest load that pokes the machine in the wrong way (ie, anything that causes the GPUs to switch, or more CPU cores to wake up) will cause your battery % to drop through the floor.
It's a shame, really. If they weren't so obsessed with thinness to the point of discarding RAM slots, SSD sockets, and battery capacity- it might actually be a decent machine.
I wonder how many people pointed out these issues prior to launch. The answer is either "lots" (who were summarily ignored), or "none at all" (because everyone was fearing for their jobs- thou shall not go against thy word of thy great Ive). Either way, this only serves to highlight the growing dysfunction within Apple. And I can guarantee you their response to falling Mac sales won't be to release the machine people want, but rather to cancel the whole lineup entirely.
Apple's bread and butter is fit/finish and consistent user experience. Guess the reports of the Mac division getting ignored at Apple are not exaggerating because they sure seem to be dropping the ball here
The bit about Safari and battery life is telling of QC issues.It sounds like safari processes are getting stuck in a race condition and are probably eating 100% cpu on a core. (I've seen this happen with lots of browsers and not just Safari. Modern webpages with megabytes of shitty JS can do this easily)
I get that maintaining a browser is a lot of work (Why is apple still developing Safari for that mater?) but it's still no excuse. The safari Devs should know that they will be running on battery powered platforms and should not let their product eat cpu for lunch. Worse, the scheduler and power management facilities in MacOS should not let shit like that run down the battery either. Worse still - None of this, any of this should have gotten past general QC. Apple did not test their new Macbooks enough.
I can give apple a pass on their hardware - Non-upgradable unified logic board construction is where the industry is going anyway and you should get used to it. Consumers demand smaller, lighter, cheaper, faster.
But offering a premium device at a premium price tier with such bad QC makes apple no better than everyone else who just slaps their logo on something made in Shenzen.
Integrity... right.
CR has always had a reputation for "testing" things it doesn't know enough about and writing unintentionally hilarious reviews. (All I can think of, not having read CR in years, is bicycles and lawnmowers - sorry.)
They also do things like awarding Tesla the highest score ever, then dropping it to Not Recommended the next year because of "maintenance issues" that don't seem to reflect anyone else's experience.
Take CR with a grain of salt, particularly unless you know enough about the item being tested to validate their comments.
Consumer Reports is what it is, and for lots of stuff it is great, but because they do pretty well with appliances does not make them experts anywhere else. A very old joke in Motor Trend (or the equivalent; I forget.) has white lab coated guys in beards and spectacles carefully taking notes on clipboards as they push cars off a cliff. To one man's query another guy says, "Oh, that's just Consumer Reports testing cars again."
How about a moderation of -1 pedantic.
I got the mid 2015 15" pro and I'm hoping it will last years. I've had Lenovo, HP and Dell through work and they are fine. The Macbook Pro on the other hand is really really nice to work with. Trackpad is just superb and Magsafe should be standard on all laptops (IMHO).
The only thing I would like different is more RAM (I use several VMs).
So when the new model arrived I was sure I would be a bit anoyed about the increased ram size and other new features that I would miss, but no.
I'm actually happy I got the previous model. It's so much better for my use.
I wouldn't even consider the new model. Who the f..k buys a pro laptop without any USB A ports? How isolated are you? Dongles? I hate dongles. I'm not spending that much money to carry around a bunch of dongles.
If Apple wants their Pro line to be used by bloggers then ok. They lost their way.
The reason? Too many ports!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I'm sure anyone looking to by a MacBook Pro isn't looking at Consumer Reports for advise...
Well, not anymore.
Consumer Reports is what it is, and for lots of stuff it is great...
Especially great at trashing Apple when it deserves to be trashed.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
That would be a better response than their actual response: removing the battery life indicator from macOS. No, really, after reports of poor battery life Apple "solved" the problem by making macOS just not report how long the battery had left before it drains.
Plus that would involve Apple actually reading and caring about product reviews. They don't. iOS 10 is trash, the Apple Watch is useless, and this new MacBook Pro is a disaster - and they don't care!
Eventually they'll discover the lesson that Hillary Clinton discovered: you can't just ignore your "core supporters" on the assumption that they're dumb enough to keep buying the shit you're selling. Eventually they'll just abandon you for anyone else who promises them better.
Back in the '80's, CR dinged VW because they used a single turn signal indicator in the console instead of the separate left and right ones common on US cars. One could only conclude that CR drivers needed that as a reminder because they often forgot which way they intended to turn.
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The point at which I determined CR to be crap for automotive testing is when they gave the Honda pickup truck the recommendation because it had the most comfortable interior and smoothest ride. Of course, it had the smallest bed, the lowest hauling capacity, and the worst trailer rating, but why would you need any of that in a pickup truck?
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I'm sure anyone looking to by a MacBook Pro isn't looking at Consumer Reports for advise...
Advice. Advise is a verb. Advice is a noun.
Of course I'm mostly hoping for funny comments (as of days of yore), but in the case of this specific article I was hoping to find something about the possible causes of the variability in battery life. The mention of Safari was quite speculative, but I guess it isn't the job of Consumer Reports to diagnose the problems, just find them?
Anyway, for what it's worth, I have a long history with Apple, but as of this writing I do not anticipate any future purchase from Apple. The company is now dedicated to monolithic Apple-style thinking, which I find rather humorous considering the slogan of their most famous advertising campaign. Anything resembling criticism of Apple is now regarded as double-plus-ungood. Shut uppa your mouth!
I'm not sure how much to blame Apple. I think it is the American laws that basically require big companies to become increasingly evil in order to survive. Being an evil company is not a guarantee of success and huge profits, but being a nice company has become an absolute guarantee of failure, usually via acquisition. (My current list of examples includes NetScape, Palm, Sun, and Nokia.)
I'll check back later, though my hope of finding truly funny comments is fading these years.
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Says a majority of the people who buy pickups and who, by the way, never fill the bed, haul anything that can't be lifted by two people, or pull a trailer.
"why would you need any of that in a pickup truck?"
Based on the pickups I see being driven around here, the ability to carry cargo isn't an important consideration for the majority of pickup drivers.
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This has always been the case with the MacBook Pro. For example, on the 2014-ish 15" retina models, you could easily burn through an "8 hour" battery in two or three hours by running things like Lightroom, Xcode, Finale (with Garritan instruments enabled), etc. For folks running high-end pro apps, Mac laptops haven't gotten great battery life since they took away our ability to put the machine to sleep, swap in a second battery, and keep going.
Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that the newer batteries don't stop working after a couple of years like the older ones, but I would kill to have a MacBook Pro with current-generation LiPo batteries in a removable form factor at 100 Wh apiece.
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Dipshits will still buy them no matter what
I have occasionally seen this on the 2014/2015 retina MBPs as well, but not often. It certainly isn't the sort of thing that happens frequently or highly reproducibly, though, and I've never seen it drain the battery in an hour. That sort of power consumption shouldn't even be possible with all four cores running full tilt. Maybe the GPU is doing something crazy.
That said, I doubt that this has anything to do with Safari, but rather with something Safari is doing that's tickling a bug related to the touch bar. Otherwise, everybody would be seeing these power management failures frequently, rather than frequently on touch bar MBPs and rarely on other models.
For that matter, the touch bar CPU itself could be burning through the battery. I mean, there's something bordering on bats**t crazy about adding a second CPU and simultaneously cutting the power capacity by 25%.
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The inconsistency of Safari is weird and the difference from the consistent efficiency of Chrome is odd, but they stopped the tests too soon to tell us much. They should have run tests on Firefox and checked the Activity Monitor to see it they could spot obvious differences. One possibility is that interactions among Apple software may be contributing to the reduction of battery life.
Says a majority of the people who buy pickups and who, by the way, never fill the bed, haul anything that can't be lifted by two people, or pull a trailer.
1. If that were the case, the Honda would be selling pretty well. Honda pulled the vehicle from N.A. sales a couple years ago due to almost non-existent sales. The F-150 is the best selling vehicle in the US.
2. The F-150 is the most popular vehicle amongst people making more than $1 million a year. It's, pretty much all, contractors and ranchers. You know, people who actually use pickup trucks.
3. I know this because half of my family work directly for automotive manufacturers and suppliers, and they know the market.
Sure, there are plenty of people who buy pickups who don't need them. People buy sports cars and don't race them. People drive Jeeps without ever taking them off road. That doesn't mean a sports car with lousy performance is a good sports car, or an off road vehicle that doesn't do well off-road is a good off-road vehicle.
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I was eagerly awaiting the new MBP release expecting it would support 32GB like everyone else (hell, you can buy relatively svelte laptops that supports 64GB from Dell). The 16GB limit, the fact that you can't upgrade the RAM or the SSD, the lack of ports... the new MBP was just a giant middle finger to the "power user" community. It's very apparent that the executive/senior management at Apple could give two sh*ts about their technical/professional user base any more and are more focused on users who are concerned about how their device looks. The recent article on Bloomberg.com bears that out. The thing is, from a business stand point it makes sense. The average users is, well, average, and represents a much larger user base than you or I. "Space Gray" and "Rose Gold" are much much easier and cheaper options to implement during assembly than multiple memory options, etc. You can either spend more on R&D to appeal to 10-25% of the market or you can appeal to the 75% of the market like my wife whose still happily chugging along on her 8GB MacBook Air. From a business standpoint it's a no-brainer. I'm disappointed, I loved my MBP's but it's time to move on.
Consumer Reports showed REAL courage in not recommending your product...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
And they miss keys and industry standard connectors, and the stability of OS/X while better than Windows, is not what it used to be.
Well, now you can, kinda, right? Since you can charge standard USB-C, any USB outputting external battery should power the Mac. Carry as many as you want!
On top of all this nonsense in Portugal and Spain Apple products have a tag of an extra 500 Euros mark-up from the local Apple compared to USA for some magical reason.
Hey Apple, I could have bought a 15'' Macbook Pro for myself last year, and this xmas I bought an Asus for my wife.
Because I surely am not paying an extra 500 Euro tag to local thieves. So up yours!
As they say in my country in a very liberal translation, "when you want to earn it all in one go..."
Or the time that they rated computers higher for having more free software "features" (aka crapware).
requires courage.
I didn't read that article, but I can see a reasonable justifcation for the rating. Maybe sometimes people bump the turn signal stalk the wrong way and indicate the incorrect turn direction, and the indicator would help them to know that they're indicating incorrectly, thus avoiding an unexpected (from the point of other drivers) turn.
Not saying that I think it's worth dinging a car's rating over, but there might be some sense to it, especially if you consider the very limits of safety features to be an important component of a car.
Is there something after the ellipsis in that translation?
Because as written it doesn't mean much.
I don't think so. Low-enough USB-C chargers don't register as actually charging the laptop (so for example, trying my 3A USB-C charger for my phone made the computer claimed it wasn't connected to a power source). But you can charge from the iPad USB charger and -- while still losing charge -- lose it pretty slowly.
You don't need dongles for most things, you simply get a new cable that has USB-C. I greatly prefer being able to use any of the four ports for anything - charging on either side is really nice, as is choosing which side I want to connect cables to.
All USB-C was absolutely the right choice to make now, going forward it will be way better for people to have four high speed ports rather than waste a single space on a USB-A port.
Finally! Somebody listening to my preaching!
I mean, there's something bordering on bats**t crazy about adding a second CPU and simultaneously cutting the power capacity by 25%.
To be fair that SoC uses next to no power so it isn't a real drain on the system at all. The problem is cutting the power capacity by 25% when the only significant saving in power usage is due to the screen. That's great if you're just doing web browsing or email or whatever but if you're using the CPU and GPU for things like, well I don't know, professional work then just because the screen uses 30% less power isn't going to make up for the reduction in power capacity. You need that 25% average saving across the board which hasn't happened hence the poor battery life.
I expect your right, and in six months it will be obvious; however in the meantime I wandered around Best Buy last week to see what USB-C peripherals they had on sale, and the only ones I could find were MacBook Pros and Apple-branded USB-C-to-X dongles for same... :)
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Oh lord the crying. Every few years it's some other bullshit. How many years did we hear griping over no flash support on the iPhone? Who gives a crap now? How many years did we hear griping over no legacy ports on iMacs? Who gives a crap now? Every transition has pain, but they're almost always made better by going whole hog and committing rather than trying a slow bit by bit transition. If "easing in" to these transitions really worked, PS2 would have been dead in 1997, Flash would have been dead in 2007, and IPv6 would be standard. everywhere. Apple tries (and often succeeds) at heading of the "now there are 15 competing standards" problem by simply picking one and going whole hog into it.
... courage!
You wont need battery life longer than your AirPods!
More importantly, the web browser makes the difference between recommended and not. Ignore all of the hardware, its the browser.
I'm curious now, exactly what they are testing. I'm guessing Facebook and YouTube, or similar. Ajax and video. Not my use case, but certainly a popular one.
I guess I won't make fun of Microsoft pimping their browser efficiency any more...
Apple and Microsoft both intended to use Kaby Lake processors in their latest iteration but ended up using SkyLake processors instead because of delays. This according to a very reliable news source that never succumbs to hyperbole, bad journalism or gives in to the temptation to post click-bait. The linked article even mentions the forced decision to use SkyLake processors as the reason for poorer battery life. The current Microsoft/Apple offerings in this device class are interim devices., so the thing to do is defer purchasing decisions until devices with the Kaby Lake processors arrive. On the plus side, this story will allow all the Apple critics out there to come here, vent their rage and thus lower their blood pressure.
That's not much counting against it though, is it? You have a computer that comes with a 60+ watt power supply standard and you complain... perhaps too strong of a word... point out that a 15 watt power supply won't keep up with the power consumption. I'm thinking you should be happy the iPad charger worked at all.
I like my MagSafe power adapter, it possibly saved my laptop once or twice. It's not a standard port outside of the Apple universe so finding a replacement in a hurry might be a problem. It became a problem with my first laptop when the power supply burned up on me. Since then I've bought a spare power supply with the laptop. Good thing I did too, I broke one already.
I'm a bit torn on the USB-C charging. A port not exclusive to Apple is nice, especially since this is a charging port with such wide support. If I end up replacing my current MacBook with another then I fear I may miss having MagSafe to save me... and my expensive computer.
The ability to pop into just about any place that sells computers or cell phones to pick up a spare charger or battery pack does seem nice. As much as people complain about Apple's choice to use USB-C exclusively I'm seeing the wisdom in it.
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I'm sure anyone looking to by a MacBook Pro isn't looking for advise...
FTFY
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I'm sure anyone looking to by a MacBook Pro isn't looking at Consumer Reports for advise...
Advice. Advise is a verb. Advice is a noun.
Why was this post modded down ? Are the cock-gobbling retards who make up the bulk of Slashdot readers now in love with their own stupidity ? You dipshits all ought to be sterilized so you are unable to breed.
You make a good point but whats with the space before the question mark?
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There must be something wrong with the power management. I just moved from an Air --
which runs cool and gives 8h battery to the Escape-13in pro. It gets very very hot, uncomfortable even
on the plastic keys. 4h battery. It's like going back 10 years in power use.
Mail runs with an energy impact of about 60 most of the time [gmail+pro imap]. Same useage pattern
as my older Air. Lets hope there is an update on the way.
USB-C is a good choice for many things: charging (not as good as MagSafe, but more compatible), connecting a screen (VGA is getting old) etc. And having more than one is great for flexibility.
But: USB-A is a well established universal connector, and it will not go away for at least a decade. Pretty much every PC accessory has a USB connector, and not having a USB-A host slot is a serious inconvenience.
So consumer reports does not take into account Tim Cook displays gays, blacks, women and fat people in their MacBook product announcements, and has shinny iWatches????
No clue what the fuck your point is supposed to be. Seems you're butthurt about something.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Yeah, this seems like a minor issue.
Apple will patch the Safari battery drain issue, Consumer Reports will retest it, and Apple will get their Recommended product statuses back.
The real problem is how this issue got out in the field to begin with. Someone in Apple's QA team is probably going to get fired over this.
I'm actually going to defend Apple removing that useless battery life time estimate meter, as it was never reliable to begin with.
On my older MacBook Pro, it would wildly overestimate my remaining runtime by several hours if I was doing something CPU intensive like playing a game.
I hope that they put it back when they finally fix it, though.
Except you buy the wrong battery pack and it blows up you computer and Apple makes it your fault, because it isn't 'Apple certified' so, no you can't do that. I just searched a little bit for a 60-watt "Apple Ceritifed" battery pack and couldn't find any.
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True, but it's still more bad press for Apple. If I was in the market for a new laptop (I might have been if there was a 32GB option, now it's time for me to look at a Linux-based laptop), then it would make me think twice. It's not like any consumer actually needs to actively read Consumer Reports, any potential consumer will hear this news from Reddit, Slashdot, Wired, et al.
Then you're free to go out and publish "Contractor and Rancher Reports." Otherwise, it's perfectly rational to rank automobiles based upon the criteria that a majority of one's readers will apply to the vehicle. And the majority of even the F-150 market is not ranchers and contractors or people who actually use pickup trucks. It's suburban wannabes who occasionally need to haul large but comparatively lightweight items but for some reason won't simply rent a work truck.
BTW: The Ridgeline is back, so I'm also questioning your knowledge of the market.
I've never gotten five hours on any 15" MacBook Pro while running Xcode, and I've used three of them (mine, my previous employer's, and my current employer's). Part of the problem is that Xcode's CPU utilization increases by at least n^2 and maybe n^3 based on the size of the project file. Tiny projects seem to work fine and you can deal with them for several hours, but when you open up bigger projects, it can take five minutes just to get the point where it doesn't SPOD at every click. The reason for the SPODding is that Xcode keeps one CPU running at 100% continuously for the first two hours indexing all the files in the project every single time you change git branches. On those projects, your battery capacity is nowhere near five hours.
I've never gotten more than about three hours while running Finale, either. With Garritan instruments enabled, it runs potentially multiple instances of their VI audio unit plugins continuously (at low latency) so that it can quickly play notes as you click them in on the staff. This sucks battery life like you wouldn't believe. I've never gotten more than about three hours or so while doing that. (I'm estimating here, but it sure as hell isn't five, much less eight.)
But yeah, this new version is significantly worse.
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Coincidentally, Microsoft managed to import their surfaces without that 500+ "steal" tax. Odd. I am not that convinced.
They really shouldn't have cut the capacity at all. Better to give people longer battery life. The existing machines were already plenty thin, so nobody benefits from shaving off half a millimeter or whatever, whereas lots of people would be happier with four hours of battery life under heavy load instead of three. :-)
I'm not sure that you should so be so quick to assume that you can ignore the SoC's power consumption, though. I'd imagine that its CPU must be at least as capable as the one in the Apple Watch, if not more so, because the screen is bigger. And that can burn through its ~1 Wh battery in 2.5 hours under heavy use (*). Over the supposed 10-hour battery life of a laptop, that's 4 Wh out of 75, which means that in the worst case (e.g. with the touch CPU stuck in a tight loop), more than 5% of the battery's capacity could get burned by that second CPU alone. I mean, a 5% increase in consumption under unusual circumstances isn't the end of the world, but it isn't really lost in the noise, either.
(*) Admittedly, the numbers above are exaggerating the CPU consumption a bit, because the Apple Watch also has a radio, but I don't have any good way to compute the CPU power consumption more precisely, nor can I be certain that the CPU really is in a comparable performance class to the Apple Watch. So there's a fair amount of speculation involved. :-)
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That's not really true. USB-C has multiple operating voltages, and both sides have to agree to support a given operating voltage, or else you won't get any power from it. An external battery could potentially provide 5V, 12V, 15V, or 20V. The internal battery is likely 14V, so a 5V supply will be completely ignored, and a 12V supply will probably power the laptop, but will not charge the battery, and will result in the internal battery slowly draining when the CPUs are going at full tilt.
So you would need a USB-C brick designed for powering a laptop, as opposed to one designed to power a cell phone or tablet.
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Then buy one from a reputable dealer and if it blows up your MacBook then go to the manufacturer that made the battery pack to fix it. I'm pretty sure there are laws against selling products that will damage your stuff, sue them.
If it blew up from not following the USB spec then get the USB people to take them on. Apple would also like to hear about this too, they got deep pockets and they don't like to see people complain about their laptops blowing up. If you bought it from a place like Amazon, Best Buy, or other place that has deep pockets and wants to keep customers happy then let them know. If you buy a USB-C battery from some guy in an alley selling them out of the boot of his car then you roll the dice and take your chances.
I looked and Lenovo doesn't certify USB-C batteries either. Dell does, so if that's what you want then get a Dell. I didn't look at any laptop makers since it became apparent to me that there are numerous big name electronics retailers that will sell USB-C batteries and stand behind them.
Just search for "apple compatible usb-c battery" and all kinds of results show up, getting good reviews from magazines and customers. No indication of MacBooks getting damaged from them.
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And the majority of even the F-150 market is not ranchers and contractors or people who actually use pickup trucks. It's suburban wannabes who occasionally need to haul large but comparatively lightweight items but for some reason won't simply rent a work truck.
Yeah, sorry, you have no idea what you're talking about. If you've read articles on "truck" demographics, they almost always conflate compact and light duty with medium and heavy duty pickups, along with truck-chasis based SUVs. Remove the compact and SUV segments and it's mostly work trucks. The second largest segment for these vehicles are people towing boats or mobile homes, and that's a pretty small percentage.
BTW: The Ridgeline is back, so I'm also questioning your knowledge of the market.
AFTER BEING GONE FOR TWO YEARS. You don't pull a vehicle off the market if it's doing well.
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My observations is that suburbanites who occasionally need to haul but comparatively lightweight items buy SUVs. But the mileage of that author may vary. Now, if you wanna class hobby farmers into 'suburbanites' maybe....
USB-A is not going away I agree but you can get a four pack of very small adaptors super-cheap on Amazon. They are no both to carry and use if you need, I have some I carry but the fact is I do not nee them because I was able to get a direct cable for everything I use all the time (except an external Thunderbolt 2 drive, there I have to use an adaptor cable - but I just leave it on the drive attached to the normal cable so that's not any more difficult anyway).
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Oh excellent that really helps with usb wireless dongles, usb sticks, usb mouse/keyboard, you know the kinds of things you plug into your computer.
Those all attach to the more convenient cheap USB-C hub I got, that includes HDMI, VGA, a charging passthrough USB-C port, and a few USB-A ports. It's actually easier than it was because I used to plug things like keyboards into my computer seperatley, now I just connect one cable and leave everything attached to the hub. With everything going to USB-C it means hubs and USB-C components are all much cheaper. I guess you hate lower prices??
You dutifully defend every decision Apple makes
I have been critical of them before, you just choose to remember what you want. The fact is that I would not buy a laptop today from ANY computer maker that did not have all USB-C ports. It's just obviously a better situation all around.
One thing I have said about the current laptop is that it's notably more expensive than past models.
"oh with the removal of the headphone jack you just buy lightning headphones, look they're available everywhere"
No you just use the adaptor INCLUDED IN THE BOX. I only have one set of earphones so I attached it to that... what is your damage Heather?
The new macbook pro was so underpowered from day one
It's one of the more powerful laptops around. Yes there are higher end gaming laptops but they also have worse battery life or are much bulkier.... the MacBook Pro has always been about the tradeoffs that come with a laptop, optimizing it for both size and speed combined. So it will never be the fastest thing around but it is super easy to carry and powerful to use for pretty much any task... I care because I am a consultant and I'm not just using my laptop for fun, I am often working 10+ hour days. I usually use the MacBook for about three years before upgrading, and it has never failed in all that time...
One thing it is absolutely the fastest at is storage though, there they did not skimp because they didn't have to. That is a huge gain to any laptop user and a major reason why they perform better than some of the other specs would indicate, because laptop power has always been a combination of not just CPU/GPU, but also storage speed being significant...
But by all means tell us "but Tim Cook said they care about the Mac" like a good Apple fanboy.
Unlike you I don't talk trash about Apple based on what they say, I look at what they actually do. I'll see what comes out in the next few months for new Mac desktops and then we'll see where they are... I know you wont care because you just pass judgement (as you already have) with no reasoning or evidence, indeed here I see you say Apple is poor at desktops based on a three-year old system.
Sorry, basing my opinion and understanding on facts instead of raw burning hate is just kind of how I roll.
I'll let you have the last post since I know you irrational Apple Haters just need to vent raw bile constantly and cannot stop yourselves from doing so any time someone might slightly indicate that Apple is OK. What a shame you let Apple control your mind like that! I wouldn't let any company drive how I feel.
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They brought back Jobs in the first place because they were failures without him. He really was a super-genius, not like the Wile E Coyote type.
Not sure if it's true - Unfortunately from what I hear they are way too more focused on gay issues than making cool stuff anymore. So not Americanism, it's anti-Americanism that's to blame. Americanism works well if we let it. More to life than trying to figure out if every single statement made by someone is somehow anti- whatever so you can take offense. Offense is always taken, never given.
Don't bring up Microsoft. There's always an exception to the rule.
I also don't anticipate purchasing any other Apple product. I have a bunch of their products. Not sure WTF I'm going to do. There's a vacuum for someone to fill. Maybe they'll pull their head out of their ass and fix this. Bring in a new genius. There is probably already one working for them.
Remember when Bravia was the top of the line Sony television? Then they reduced the quality and rebranded the entire line as Bravia? This appears what Apple may be doing with the laptops. It seems possible that with the string of PR stumbles (not including a twenty-nine cent USB A to C adaptor in the box, power issues, inaccurate monitor [yes it's wider gamut but it's not particularly accurate one] and what ever else is lurking, we may see some PR retrenchment from Apple.
If the Mac Pros are basically consumer-grade Mac Airs now, are they planning on keeping a product differentiation for actual pro level machines? If so, what will these be called.
Apart from Hackintoshes, I mean.
---- The above post was generated by the Turing Institute. Maybe.