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Eavesdropping Uber Driver Helps Rescue 16-Year-Old From Her Pimps (washingtonpost.com)
Slashdot reader sabri writes "In California, an Uber driver saved a 16 year old girl from human traffickers after he overheard them talk about delivering the girl to a customer." The Washington Post reports:
Uber driver Keith Avila picked up a passenger who looked like a 12-year-old girl in a short skirt Monday night. That was the first sign that something was off, he would say later. Two women got into his car with the girl outside a house in Sacramento. Halfway to their destination -- a Holiday Inn in Elk Grove, California -- they asked Avila to turn up the music, he said. Then the women turned to the girl. Avila listened in.
"They were describing what they were going to do when they get there: 'Check for guns. Get the money before you start touching up on the guy,'" Avila said on Facebook Live minutes after he dropped off the passengers, then called police to report the women whom he suspected of prostituting the child. The girl was 16, not 12, Elk Grove police told local news outlets. But Avila's suspicions were right, they said. The teen was being sold for sex at the Holiday Inn, and her eavesdropping Uber driver had saved her.
The teen girl was returned to her family, while the two women with her were charged with multiple felonies. The driver had only joined Uber a few weeks earlier, but his Facebook Live video from outside his fare's house has now been viewed more than 240,000 times.
"They were describing what they were going to do when they get there: 'Check for guns. Get the money before you start touching up on the guy,'" Avila said on Facebook Live minutes after he dropped off the passengers, then called police to report the women whom he suspected of prostituting the child. The girl was 16, not 12, Elk Grove police told local news outlets. But Avila's suspicions were right, they said. The teen was being sold for sex at the Holiday Inn, and her eavesdropping Uber driver had saved her.
The teen girl was returned to her family, while the two women with her were charged with multiple felonies. The driver had only joined Uber a few weeks earlier, but his Facebook Live video from outside his fare's house has now been viewed more than 240,000 times.
Taxi drivers do this all the time. How come it's "BIG NEWS" when it involves uber? Who paid for this advertisement?
Don't become a prostitute.
Become an Uber celebrity!
Uber has one hell of a good marketing team. Stay in the news at all costs. Become a household name. Pretty good for a taxi company.
Not making them any money but who needs that when everyone knows your name.
Prostitution is just Uber for sex.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The Uber driver who saved this little girl voted for Trump.
they've been getting a lot of criticism about being used for criminal activities (natch, they're a perfect vector for it) so they needed something like this. It'll get a lot of air time in the press as a result.
I'm glad the girl got rescued, but whenever I hear these stories I always think, what now? It's not like the systemic problems that lead her down that path are just going to vanish...
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Trump will pardon these two savy businesswomen and jail the prostitute if she got pregnant and had an abortion!
I think I prefer the Taxi Driver to the Uber driver.
Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.
He posted it on Facebook Live and *then* called the police. Thats the astounding part...
I'm entirely happy he did the right thing,
I suppose it makes no difference since the girl was saved. Why turn it into a political commercial?
Certainly people who were not Trump supporters would have done the same thing.
Another consultant who stuck it out.
"We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx..."
No one says that Uber drivers are not hardworking and conscientious. The issue is with the Uber system that passes the cost of the business model onto the lowest paid person in the chain.
Walk into a Forever 21, and stop and think this is what your 12 year old daughter wears. Now, assuming that puberty was around 11-12 and we fastforeward to age 16...(clears throat)...PARENTS!, your average teenage daughter knows more about sex than you do. You bought them a smart phone and assuming always had Internet and a computer handy and hardly ever home. So, a young attractive girl meets some older "friends"; and FYI, attractive teenagers know when they are and usually can't keep it in their pants (find a virgin by graduation these days; I dare you). Honestly, the average 16 year old is just as mature as any guy that's 20. I think you got a girl that enjoyed sex (who doesn't) and wanted to make money. Her "pimps" (older friends more than likely) we're two women for Christ sake. A little odd don't you think? Police were called, and I'd put money on it that she lied her ass off to keep from going to jail. Hell, technically 16 is the legal age of consent in most states (age 12 in the Vatican; no joke), it is just that you can't film a sex act until 18. Some have a three year rule to prevent underage drinking (18+3=21). So, by not filming, the 20 year old "customer" cannot claim her as an "actress," which would be a legitimate defense against prostitution charges (think porn; no deference). And what brings this theory together, is that her family's reaction isn't mentioned at all. She wasn't kidnapped and forced to do anything. Human Trafficing is a bit of a stretch. Though, with modern feminism, I'm sure I'll look like an ass because no one thinks rationally or realistically anymore, and all women are delicate mermaids while all men will one day be reduced to cattle for semen and jokes because we've outlived our usefulness in everything else and allowed bs to influence our lives way too much. Millinials have figured out a way to have their cake and eat it too. Congrats.
Just because Uber is involved this is "news"? And almost a week late at that? This is not "news for nerds", sorry.
But she was with two women? The Uber driver was a male, HE is the aggressor!
RAPE CULTURE!!
Let's raise one for surveillance in general and snitching on your customers in particular!
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
The article doesn't say whether the girl was there by choice, or was forced.
Of course it doesn't matter, legally speaking. 16 is under the age of consent, and prostitution is illegal most places anyway. The article just says they "saved her," but didn't say whether they saved her from kidnappers, or from herself.
The article also quotes the guy referring to her client as a "pervert." While it is appropriate and correct that sexual engagement with a 16 year old child should be illegal, it is also biologically normal for men to be sexually attracted to girls at that age. They are at their sexual peak, fertile, and pumping out pheromones like a steam engine. Whoever was taking advantage of her was being a criminal and an asshole, but not a pervert.
That's all.
You are assuming that she is indeed "prostituting herself" rather than being sold . The story and outcome makes it sound like the second possibility is the reality here...
I'm astounded that you'd blame the victim here ("turn around and do the same thing next week.") She was apparently a vulnerable person who was actively exploited by these two women. She had been reported missing by her family. Whether she ran away or was kidnapped doesn't really change the fact she was exploited, which is wrong and illegal.
Posting to facebook live astounds me, but come on, the guy did the right thing. Most people would just walk away. Kudos to him for acting, regardless of which taxi company he was working for. Sure if it wasn't uber or didn't involve facebook life, it wouldn't be on slashdot. I agree with you that this story doesn't really belong on Slashdot.
I'm not blaming the victim. I'm recognizing that there is a situation here that will not just go back to normal or undo itself because the girl was returned to her parents. Failure to recognize this does not help the girl at all, despite how good this story makes us feel.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
That's not blaming the victim, it's recognizing that the problem likely still needs to be addressed.
View the video. He posted after calling the cops
Did the Uber driver also investigate what it was about this girl's life that led her to prostitute herself in the first place and remove those conditions so that she won't just turn around and do the same thing next week?
Yeah, the two pimps went to jail. The harder it becomes to sell your daughter into this kind of situation, the less likely it will be to happen.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Investigators learned today that sex traffickers see Uber as a safe way to move prostitutes around without getting caught.
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But isn't any disgruntled underpaid Uber driver free to rent a few AWS instances and build their own alternative ride-hailing system called, say, Newber, or Goober, which gives more of the revenue to drivers?
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
Yes why bother creating data backups, we will just have to do it again anyway.
Doesn't really sound like she was exactly a prisoner here. It's more likely that she's effectively a prisoner of the system now until she escapes again. At that point, the only real option our sick society gives her to make a living is to work illegally. And the only real job available to her in the world of illegal jobs is prostitution.
OMG you're right!!1!
Quick, the Patriots need your expertise in armchair quarterbacking. Go yell at the tv!
Is this what this site as come to? Someone is victim blaming (someone with "fluffer" in this nickname may I add), and gets modded up as a result?
What the fuck is wrong with this site?
Yet another nail in the coffin for autonomous vehicles. Should we really keep going?
I think I prefer the Taxi Driver to the Uber driver.
From the taxi drivers I have seen, the difference is that instead of calling for the police as the Uber driver did, the taxi driver would have hired her for his day off...
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It's very sad that people would rather just enjoy a story like this and go on with their lives rather than address what is really needed to help this girl. It is a very selfish world we live in.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
As I said before, I didn't blame the girl. I was pointing out the lack of understanding for her and the situation she lives in. None of this has helped her.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Despite heroics I bet they still didn't tip the driver and probably only gave him a 2-star rating.
And he probably made $3.75 for it.
Do everything right AND save the kid and Uber will give you:
"Your Uber rating is slipping. Don't worry, your account is still active! But here are some tips from Uber Pros on how to improve your driving rating!"
Fuck you Uber. With sand for lube. Fuck you.
Sig for hire.
Sex trafficking is not a thing and has never occurred in the history of the universe.
A child is someone that is prepubescent and it's highly unlikely that this 16 year old was prepubescent. Being small doesn't make any difference. Girls generally develop faster than boys, but even if chances are she was not by any definition a child. Sex at 16 is legal in a good chunk of the United States and around the world. What may or may not have happened is what is immoral here. If the 16 year old was forced into prostitution (ie via violence or actual coercion, which would be threat of violence generally) then her captors should be arrested. However if she ran away and voluntarily entered prostitution when the opportunity presented itself that's not coercion. The concern I have is we make every scenario into this horrible crime that may not have even occurred just because the person seemed young. The repercussions of that are you are depriving people in what might be shitty situations or even not shitty situations of rights that you may not be able to fully comprehend the reasons for people doing what they are doing. Every 13 year old boy wants to fuck his hot 20-30 year old teacher and yet we act as if teenager is a victim. The only way you can argue that is on screwed up religious grounds. This logic is dangerous and one can see that by looking at it being used to stone girls and women to death for little more than an affair, premarital sex, or even just unavailing of the face in front of men in the middle east. It may be getting used on women in the middle east, but we have our own form of it particularly on men in the United States.
sell that girl's body to McDonald's for minimum wage where it generates the appropriate Wall Street and government tax!
Yes so let's not talk about the real situation. Sorry to rain on your parade. There is a thing called reality out there, but the fact that you are comparing this serious situation to football kind of tells me you won't understand it.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
If you watch the full video of him giving his livestream of the event, he goes into a tirade about how Hillary supporters wouldn't have reported it to the police, but Trump supporters would. All reporting on this conveniently omits this fact.
He could have been regarded as a hero. Instead, he's shown himself to be just another deplorable.
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The girl — apparently a runaway — was taken “to an alternative housing location,” according to the authorities.
“She was reunited with her family
that she had probably had good reasons to run away from
Think about it for a moment. You hear a nugget of conversation, and it just stuck or hung there, like that wayward bit of broccoli that sticks to the front teeth. You can't ignore it till you get to a mirror; this had to linger till he made one phone call, and as simple as that one sounded, it tilted the balance in the person/girl's favor. He is an unplanned hero here, but it was a correct judgment call--call him an accidental hero. Sometimes that is all that it takes, not a lifetime of planning or anything fancy. (In the Joker's case, all it took was one bad day and you know how that one turned out
bottom line uber guy did the right thing, namely he didn't look the other way.
Yeah right. Now imagine the same thing happened but this time instead of female "pimps" it had been a huge muscled black man pimping her. Do you still think this uber kid would have had the balls to call the police then and risk the comeback that would have surely come to him from the pimp or his friends? Not if he was smart he wouldn't have. The kid would have wound up dead "by accident" while the pimp was somewhere where he could be seen and proven innocent afterwards.
That's the job of the police. The driver did his part.
And yes, this is not groundbreaking, it is just a story the name "Uber" in it.
There is already a movie with De Niro about that.
Why broadcast a video to the world? The police knows how to deal with this kind of material and they have a mandate to act appropriately. The general public doesn't and shouldn't be involved.
Agree.
These stories about underage prostitutes being rescued pop up every now and again, and they make me think the same thing as you:
A high-school girl running away from home and falling in with bad company (truly, a pimp is bad company, not disputing that) is hardly equivalent to the mental picture we all get from the word 'rescue', like some evil-doer abducted a little kid on the way home from school..
That's what social workers are for. FFS, he did his part no need to shit on his attempt to get help for the girl.
Nobody is "being sold" for sex these days except in exceptionally rare circumstances. It does not work economically. The Mafia gave up forced-prostitution a long time ago for that reason. In the rare circumstances where it still happens, the first customer is usually the one to call the police. (Well, not in the US obviously, but in decent countries where prostitution is legal, that is how it goes.)
This thing basically shows the deranged fantasies of the "rescuers". More likely than not, this young lady was in it of her own free will. And guess what, 16 year olds can make decisions about their lives and are not in any form "children" (except in those deranged fantasies...).
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We don't know if this helped her or not.
There probably won't be a follow up story, so we won't know if this helped her or not.
Kids run away for numerous reasons. Some of them because home truly is horrible. Some of them are kind of stupid reasons with a romanticized view of how easy it is to make it out there on one's own. When it turns out not to be that easy, fear can lead the kid down some bad paths.
If this is the later case and not the former, then this probably did help the kid. Heck, even if it was the former there's a good chance that the outcome for the kid is better than being prostituted. There may also be some follow up from the state or a social worker to make sure everything is okay. Is it perfect? No. Is the kid likely to have trust and or sexual issues for a while? Yes.
Nobody is "being sold" for sex these days except in exceptionally rare circumstances. It does not work economically.
False. Want to tell us anything else trivially proven untrue? This is fun!
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
As I said, "deranged fantasies". You are guilty of those.
The number should already give anybody with two braincells to rub together a clue: There is no way for 100'000 children with an average age of 12-14 in the US to be forced into prostitution. There are only about 3.5 million children of that age-range (it does not get any better with an understanding of what "average" means, the author of that propaganda-piece has none), hence that would mean one in 35 is forced into prostitution. Now that would be a bit more noticeable, would it? (Well, "massively more noticeable" would be the right term.) And at an _average_ age of 12-14? That is nothing but an utterly perverted fantasy. This would mean loads of of children would be forced into it at 1-12 years old, otherwise you do not get an average this low. Now, assume these on average 13 year olds stay in prostitution until they are 18 (well, as long as they are "children"). That would mean you have at the very least 600'000 underage persons in forced prostitution. So, where are these? Aybody? Right, THEY DO NOT EXIST!
Actual prostitutes in the US are estimated by reliable sources as 23 per 100'000. That is around 90'000. For these, the average age they start is 23. Hence the number of children forced into prostitution on average at 13 (!) years of age would be 7 times greater than the legal one. That is simply preposterous and can only be an extreme lie. It is truly amazing how gullible people are. The perverted fantasies will certainly play a role here.
And here is another number: Apparently, there are only about 38'000 missing persons under 18 per year in the US. Now, if _all_ of them are forced into prostitution (which is most certainly not the case by a very large margin), you are still missing 62'000. Think they are all "disappeared" magically without anybody noticing or forced into prostitution by their parents? Or by random strangers, and basically no one of them tells their parents? The gross stupidity of such a claim is staggering.
Also, if there really were these many children forced into prostitution on average at 13 years of age, this story would not be news at all because they would be found everywhere all the time with these numbers. One 16 years old already making the news is proof that this is very rare indeed.
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Now, assume these on average 13 year olds stay in prostitution until they are 18
No. I will not make idiotic assumptions with you. If they're only prostituted once, they've been "forced into prostitution". Hope this helps you understand where you went full retard.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Wow that's such bizarre logic. Of course it helped the girl! You know nothing about her situation other than that she was being exploited and had been reported missing by her family. I don't understand your fixation on what she may or may not have done to land herself in that situation. Regardless, it not only is a feel-good story, it also is a lesson to all of us to watch out for folks and do what we can to help them out of potentially harmful circumstances. If you agree with me there, then I don't understand why you posted what you posted in the first place.
So what your point? The guy should have done what apparently you would have, and just walked away, leaving her to her fate? Seems to me you're assuming facts that aren't in evidence.
Furthermore, are you arguing that if an action could only have a short-term positive affect on a person then it's not worth doing? What a sad outlook on humanity.
she was exploited, which is wrong and illegal
Do you realize you're dreaming?
What religion doesn't promote 13-year-olds having sex? Most of them do, so long as it's arranged.
You clearly don't understand the origins of "age of majority".
That aside, legally, pimping is pimping. "Good" pimps get lumped in with the "bad" pimps. One of the women pimping out the 16-year-old was also (apparently) having sex with her, or so the article intimates. Before you go jumping on your moral high horse, it pays to pay attention to the local laws regarding sexual activity with those who are not at least 18 years of age.
Arranging sex between two people for money: illegal
Including a 16-year-old female human being in that bargain: illegal
Having sex with said 16-year-old female when one is an adult: hmm
PENAL CODE
SECTION 261-269
261.5. (a) Unlawful sexual intercourse is an act of sexual
intercourse accomplished with a person who is not the spouse of the
perpetrator, if the person is a minor.
For the purposes of this section, a "minor" is a person
under the age of 18 years and an "adult" is a person
who is at least 18 years of age.
(b) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual
intercourse with a minor who is not more than three years
older or three years younger than the perpetrator, is
guilty of a misdemeanor.
(c) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual
intercourse with a minor who is more than three years younger than
the perpetrator is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and
shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one
year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.
Okay, illegal
All three of the individuals involved knew - or should have known - that every part of what they were arranging was against the law. Certainly the older women knew that (which is why they asked for the radio to be turned up). It's not like the three of them marched into the state capitol (which is nearby, Elk Grove is close to Sacramento) and demanded the right for intercourse between the 20-something and the 16-year-old to be legal, nor did they make a demand to legalize sex-for-hire for the 16-year-old.
And why was the 16-year-old (who looked young for her age) being pimped out to some John? Why weren't the 20-somethings prostituting themselves? Simple: they had a pedo John, so they were selling him a desirable product. He probably didn't want anyone as old as a 20-something.
The girl may have a miserable home life, but damn, is prostitution the solution? Why kind of stupid conclusion is that? Foster care does suck, some families are awful, but talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire. Very few prostitutes in this country find prosperity and happiness. Their rates of drug abuse, domestic abuse, alcoholism, and depression are high, and 80% want to get out of their "chosen" line of work:
http://sex-crimes.laws.com/prostitution/prostitution-statistics
Can't we find someplace else for the kid to go besides being an underaged call girl? And seriously this isn't an age-of-majority issue, nobody's fighting for the rights of 16 year olds to screw older people. The older person in this case specifically wanted the girl because she looked like she might be too young for sex!
You teach her that the cops wont help
In many cases, they won't. If she was slightly older they would have treated her as a criminal rather than a victim.
Revictimization is a problem, especially as people get older, but by and large traffickers control trafficked women the same way that bullies control abused people (primarily abused women): threats and distortions of reality. Police will certainly not always be perfect, but mostly they will try to do a good job and even if they don't they will still be better than the person who is conspiring to rape you ten times a day.
she was free, but in a mental and emotional sense she was in just as much of a jail as someone behind bars.
It is common to view women, especially young women, as mindless objects incapable of rational thought and certainly incapable of acting in their own best interest. Often the people holding this viewpoint are those most opposed to the legalization and regulation of sex work that is the best hope to improve their lives.
It's certainly debatable whether legalization and regulation are the best hope and a lot of factors come into that, but it's a legitimate position.
But you are (deliberately or accidentally) implying that slavery not maintained by physical force is not a real thing.
When you ABUSE people, you reshape their way of thinking and do a lot to take away their perceived range of decisions. If you know or believe you'll be beaten if you call police, you don't do it even if there's nobody stopping you. If you have Stockholm syndrome, you don't call police even though nobody's stopping you. When your world is narrowed down to the one person bigger and stronger than you throwing you onto a street corner and telling you to bring back X dollars and you're a teenager who doesn't know how to think your way out, that's not the fault of an anti-trafficking activist for objectifying you.
Trafficking includes not only slavery by the use of force, but also slavery by fraud and coercion of all kinds.
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Do emancipated minors count as adult for purposes of age of consent?
If so does that mean an emancipated minor could perform in porn, since they are technically an adult?
I originally started wondering about this when I was a kid during the time where McCully Culkin (or however you spell his name) was becoming an emancipated minor, as I remember it to keep his parents from stealing his Home Alone proceeds.
There is a big bag of worms there on both sides of the aisle, since it could also lead to a debate over what age girls an emancipated minor should be allowed to date/fuck (California used to have a 3 year grace period for age of consent, so a 17 year old and a 20 year old could hook up for example. However what would a 13 year old emancipated minor count as for example? A 13 year old +/- 3 years, or an 18 year old (+/)- 3 years?
Having said that I am not sure what the best option is, but I can state that more of my generation seems to be irresponsible until a later age as a result of the steadily upwards creeping age restrictions on driving, sex, working, etc whereas my father's generation (where you could, as an average child, at least get a job at 13 if not any of the other items) did the same (or worse) stupid and immature things, from drinking and smoking to driving and stupid shit out in the neighborhood, but also could get jobs, and not just from sympathetic neighbors, which allowed them to pay their own bills by the time they had completed high school and had their first opportunity to choose between working on a job/career or getting a higher education. My generation for instance seems far more likely to end up in dead end jobs, not have careers even coming out of college, and very few have any sort of money management skills until late in their 20s or early 30s (if then!) because outside of the lower middle class to outright poor ones they had coddled fiscal lives until 18-20 rolled around and their parents finally cut them off and kicked them out.
That, and the part where the driver thought she looked just 12 years old. I don't think there are many if any place in the world where the age of consent is that low, and in places where prostitution is legal the age of consent for that is often even higher. Certainly not even 16, her actual age.
Nobody is "being sold" for sex these days except in exceptionally rare circumstances. It does not work economically.
That argument doesn't make sense. I'd guess it works great, from an economical point of view. Force the girl to prostitute herself, take most or even all of the pay, great profit potential for those with low morals.
It does seem to happen a lot, all over the world, and not just to children. Europe with its refugee crisis may also see refugees end up in forced prostitution - e.g. to "pay off debts" to people smugglers. Even before the refugee crisis there were ample examples of women ending up in forced prostitution rings. Them being adults just made it not make the news that big. Easiest accomplished in places where brothels are commonplace, as it makes it so much easier to control the victims by keeping them within the building.
What would give this story a real happy ending if somehow those two bitches had "something happen" to them in prison. Hopefuly something real gory and drawn out.
And then there's the parents selling their daughters to men to eventually be married to them when they are old enough. If they're below the legal age of consent even with parental consent, and there is compensation involved, it's child prostitution. This stuff might be legal and/or traditional where some of these people came from, but it's not legal here. (And it wasn't necessarily legal back home, either.) And it goes on plenty. Also, where do people think all those missing kids go? A lot of them are never even reported. Of those that are, those who are never found and for whom there is no evidence of abduction are simply written off as unexplained, but we have reason to believe that a lot of them are sold into slavery of some kind, perhaps even predominantly sexual slavery and with nothing to look forward to but a bad end.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Most over Europe, prostitution is legal. This makes it easy to find out whether women working in that field a coerced or not. They pay taxes, you can talk to them and ask them for their motivations, etc. Turns out, they are only very rarely coerced and those few that are usually are not coerced for very long. Also, no brothel owner will be willing to prevent the ones working there from leaving the building, as that would make for a large pool of victims that could a) escape b) tell customers what is going on and these would then go to the police, and, surprise!, that is exactly what happens in the extremely rare cases where a brothel owner thinks this is a workable idea. I remember one case where forced prostitution happened here last year, and, I think, the second customer was the one to inform the police. The violent "pimp" was an utter looser that had no clue about the realities.
The thing is, this is so rare that whenever it is discovered, it makes the news.
The other thing is that forced prostitutes do not make for good prostitutes and are in the very lowest price class. Being a good prostitute is hard and requires both empathy and intelligence. Add to that the constant risk of one having enough (and she can always tell her customers and that usually works and cannot be prevented) and you have the reason why criminal enterprises have given up on it. Now, human trafficking is real, but basically none of it is sex-trafficking. It is for cheap labor, because that one works economically.
Unless you count people that chose prostitution over another way to earn money because the other ways would earn them way less, there is no coercion going on in prostitution. No, really not. It is a "Big Lie" that gets told to people, mainly in the US in the west, but that does not make it true.
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So you think somebody forces a child into prostitution, risking 20 year or so in prison and only does it once? That does not make any sense at all! If this is for economic gain, it will be done regularly over the full time that child has a reasonable market value. But since this is mostly your perverted fantasy, economic realities (or any reality, really) does not come into play.
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I see you have nothing to back up your claims, and hence you are trying to change the subject. Figures.
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> Apparently, there are only about 38'000 missing persons under 18 per year in the US. Now, if _all_ of them are forced into prostitution (which is most certainly not the case by a very large margin), you are still missing 62'000.
Are they reported again coming next year?
Otherwise, if they are missing for example, since age 10 they have 6 years to continue, you can have 38k * 6 = +200k children
Not that I think that's the actual number, but for all the number crunching in your post, that is a basic mistake
The 100'000 "children forced into prostitution" was per year as in "new in", so the same applies to the missing persons. This was only a demonstration how far wrong the "100'000" children number must be. For example, many of these missing persons show up again in a short while, which just makes my argument stronger.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
She can't vote, she can't enlist, she can't buy booze, she can't enter adults only establishments. That is the textbook definition of a child.
I'm not sure what your point is anyway. Human trafficking of 16 year olds is no less criminal than human trafficking of 12 year olds.
This really hits the nail on the head and drives it right in as far as I'm concerned. An attentive Uber driver overheard what was going on and did the absolutely right thing, perhaps literally saving a young girl's life in the process. Batman himself would be hard pressed to do better.
A cab driver in the same situation would have offered to make a deal with the two other women in the cab to supply new customers for their child prostitution ring. I base this statement on the fact that it's a semi-weekly occurrence in my city to have a cab driver arrested and charged for doing similar or worse things to vulnerable women, and I'm not exaggerating in the slightest when I say that.
The taxi industry constantly cries about the disruptive effect of Uber, and then so many taxi operators seem to go out of their way to make sure everybody knows what reprehensible pieces of shit they are.
I see you have nothing to back up your claims, and hence you are trying to change the subject. Figures.
I already provided something, and you cried about it. Apparently, pointing out your fallacious logic is also a waste of time. I dub thee waste of time.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Incidentally, here are a few a few harder numbers
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
They are form a study done by the DoJ. Unfortunately the link to the DoJ is broken and I cannot be bothered to find the document, but there is no reason the Washington Post would make numbers like these up.
They have 4'500-21'000 underage persons working in the sex trade in the US, with an average age of entry at 15.8. Only 15% have a "pimp", i.e. if you assume each pimp forces his girls into prostitution (extremely unlikely, most of those with a "pimp" will still be in it of their own free will), you get a maximum of 675-3150 underage persons forced into the sex trade overall. This nicely shows that the "100'000 children forced into the sex trade each year in the US" numbers are massively bogus and nothing but an outrageous lie.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
but you could say that of many crimes, "Oh , that thief was fined and put on probation, but he'll probably just go back to stealing...".
That's why people get irate when criminals are sentenced lightly.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Maybe you should read the actual report, written by people who run shelters all across the nation. Just one remark regarding your incorrect assumptions, not all children forced into prostitution are reported missing. Most are forced by family members...